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me cap. 41 00:01:50.830 --> 00:01:51.851 I'm just enjoying the game. 42 00:01:52.632 --> 00:01:55.454 And then 10 minutes in, I'm going, get tight, get tight, get tight. 43 00:01:56.015 --> 00:01:57.576 And then the next thing I'm moving on. 44 00:01:57.596 --> 00:02:00.098 And I tried to be quiet in the first half and then my younger one came on. 45 00:02:01.065 --> 00:02:05.850 In the second half, I found myself up a little bit further and just watching again. 46 00:02:05.890 --> 00:02:07.952 And then the next thing I'm going, cut the line off, cut the line off. 47 00:02:08.292 --> 00:02:09.213 Get out, run it. 48 00:02:09.253 --> 00:02:11.875 Before I knew I was trying to coach the left-hand side of the pitch. 49 00:02:11.935 --> 00:02:14.017 And then I did it for about five or 10 minutes. 50 00:02:14.057 --> 00:02:16.900 And I was like, right, stop it, you absolute idiot. 51 00:02:17.200 --> 00:02:19.442 To be fair, I thought they couldn't play through the left side. 52 00:02:19.462 --> 00:02:22.225 I thought we did quite well down my side. 53 00:02:23.626 --> 00:02:25.008 Yeah, you ain't the problem. 54 00:02:26.889 --> 00:02:29.192 I thought the left side looked pretty well coached with the head for 10-0. 55 00:02:29.232 --> 00:02:31.935 You should be coaching, especially with two of them in the team now. 56 00:02:32.276 --> 00:02:32.976 It was good, you know. 57 00:02:33.965 --> 00:02:37.767 I might offer them your help. 58 00:02:37.947 --> 00:02:38.888 I'm sure they'll pay you them. 59 00:02:38.908 --> 00:02:39.688 Do you know what? 60 00:02:39.988 --> 00:02:40.709 It was a lot of fun. 61 00:02:41.309 --> 00:02:43.930 They both did okay. 62 00:02:44.291 --> 00:02:44.871 It was tough. 63 00:02:44.891 --> 00:02:51.134 The opposition team, they had three ex-pros playing for them and you could tell the way they think. 64 00:02:51.715 --> 00:02:53.356 You could just tell when they're in possession. 65 00:02:53.376 --> 00:02:53.596 But... 66 00:02:59.839 --> 00:03:03.482 Yeah, but it was great to watch them play together. 67 00:03:03.762 --> 00:03:07.705 My 18-year-old came on chucking tackles around everywhere. 68 00:03:07.785 --> 00:03:10.426 He didn't like that for you, did he? 69 00:03:10.727 --> 00:03:12.148 No, he's not like his dad. 70 00:03:12.388 --> 00:03:14.189 No, not a chance. 71 00:03:14.229 --> 00:03:17.111 I used to jump and allow him both to come and make those challenges. 72 00:03:17.131 --> 00:03:18.592 He's got his mother's tenacity. 73 00:03:19.293 --> 00:03:20.714 You've got bloody health, yeah. 74 00:03:21.114 --> 00:03:23.295 Listen, you better believe that. 75 00:03:24.576 --> 00:03:53.000 as you well know there's nothing to fear with us I'm not messing with Jenny I'm not I'm not saying nothing to her I love you you look absolutely amazing that's all that's the worst I say to Jenny she looks amazing she's great listen you'll get a phone call if she hears this listen I've told you she's great I know the bosses in your house when I'm around she's my boss as well I'm great yeah not soft lad so come on what's going on who's been watching the fussies of night boys 76 00:03:54.727 --> 00:03:55.828 I haven't seen it. 77 00:03:55.928 --> 00:03:56.929 You haven't seen it. 78 00:03:58.090 --> 00:03:59.651 You were watching the Real Madrid game. 79 00:03:59.692 --> 00:04:01.333 I heard Liam was watching the Liverpool game. 80 00:04:01.693 --> 00:04:03.495 I went watching the Liverpool game. 81 00:04:03.515 --> 00:04:05.477 The rumours are not true. 82 00:04:06.458 --> 00:04:07.639 I did see a bit of that. 83 00:04:07.859 --> 00:04:09.380 I did see a bit of the Liverpool game. 84 00:04:10.441 --> 00:04:11.662 Young Kuma scored, didn't he? 85 00:04:11.702 --> 00:04:14.644 I don't mind young kids coming through. 86 00:04:14.984 --> 00:04:17.106 Because he actually did well at the weekend. 87 00:04:18.127 --> 00:04:21.329 You know, in that Liverpool City game, he didn't half get about the pitch. 88 00:04:21.369 --> 00:04:22.890 But challenging, it's great to see him score. 89 00:04:22.990 --> 00:04:25.752 It's always good to see the young lads coming through, making their back. 90 00:04:26.233 --> 00:04:30.356 I was watching because the baby was on the bench, so he's now in and amongst the first team. 91 00:04:30.376 --> 00:04:31.557 Jadon Dandres is now back. 92 00:04:31.577 --> 00:04:32.037 Did he get on? 93 00:04:32.758 --> 00:04:33.498 No, no. 94 00:04:33.638 --> 00:04:35.640 I just don't think he's quite ready. 95 00:04:35.660 --> 00:04:35.880 But... 96 00:04:37.581 --> 00:04:42.383 Trust me, you are going to see soon enough he will be amongst them. 97 00:04:42.423 --> 00:04:44.763 And trust me, mate, the speed and pace. 98 00:04:44.803 --> 00:04:47.524 Yeah, I saw his little moments last year when he came on. 99 00:04:48.425 --> 00:04:50.445 Raw, exciting though. 100 00:04:50.465 --> 00:04:52.006 He's going to leave a few for dead. 101 00:04:52.166 --> 00:04:53.206 Yes, definitely. 102 00:04:53.326 --> 00:04:54.366 I can't wait to watch him. 103 00:04:54.406 --> 00:04:57.948 So I just wish it was in a blue shirt, as I keep telling him. 104 00:04:57.988 --> 00:05:01.989 But I'll be supporting him in that red shirt, mate. 105 00:05:02.429 --> 00:05:02.969 And that's just the way. 106 00:05:02.989 --> 00:05:04.150 You know what, have he played for us? 107 00:05:04.270 --> 00:05:05.170 Because he's a striker. 108 00:05:05.830 --> 00:05:23.196 if he played for us he'd be in and around the first team already wouldn't he I don't get me wrong he's had a couple of little niggles and injuries but listen once he's let off the leash people are going to see Liverpool had no reason to spend hundreds of millions of pounds on that side of the pitch you'll see 109 00:05:24.473 --> 00:05:29.678 Well, I will say, people will argue tonight, it's tough to say that. 110 00:05:29.818 --> 00:05:33.481 Barker has just scored a hat-trick. 111 00:05:33.581 --> 00:05:36.724 But up till this

point, he's flattered to deceive. 112 00:05:36.744 --> 00:05:40.388 You've got the two strikers that are both out injured at the moment. 113 00:05:40.508 --> 00:05:45.052 I do rate FK better than I is, but Jadon's going to choke. 114 00:05:45.212 --> 00:05:46.133 Well, they're both injured. 115 00:05:46.333 --> 00:05:49.815 They're both not quite doing what they were paid to do. 116 00:05:50.035 --> 00:05:52.256 And Wirtz looks... 117 00:05:52.276 --> 00:05:53.917 He doesn't look like a Premier League player at the moment. 118 00:05:53.957 --> 00:05:55.258 He looks drifting through games. 119 00:05:55.278 --> 00:05:56.038 He's not affecting it. 120 00:05:56.058 --> 00:06:04.943 Do you know, for Wirtz, I know they're giving it to him now, but he went the whole of last season and didn't really do anything, did he, after a huge transfer fee. 121 00:06:05.924 --> 00:06:12.027 And I'm trying my best to make a case for, like, he's got to come good at some point, hasn't he? 122 00:06:12.047 --> 00:06:13.148 I was costing that much money. 123 00:06:17.348 --> 00:06:18.749 You say he's got to come good. 124 00:06:19.609 --> 00:06:21.030 He's got to us, honey. 125 00:06:21.050 --> 00:06:21.750 It's not what he wants. 126 00:06:22.671 --> 00:06:23.631 It's no guarantee. 127 00:06:23.711 --> 00:06:27.633 What I will say is the player is still in there. 128 00:06:27.653 --> 00:06:41.841 He's just been to the German national team under Jurgen Klopp and looked a lot more like the player that Liverpool thought he'd sign that was playing in the Bundesliga and was... 129 00:06:43.021 --> 00:06:44.603 was the player that Liverpool actually wanted. 130 00:06:45.604 --> 00:06:47.366 So maybe it's just environment for him. 131 00:06:47.486 --> 00:06:49.368 Maybe he's not quite settled at Anfield. 132 00:06:49.388 --> 00:06:54.893 Maybe he doesn't quite feel confident enough to take control of the games. 133 00:06:54.933 --> 00:06:58.656 I don't know, but there's no doubt that up until this point, and things might change. 134 00:06:59.217 --> 00:06:59.617 He's... 135 00:07:01.678 --> 00:07:03.439 not producing what was expected. 136 00:07:03.459 --> 00:07:04.599 He's not getting on the ball. 137 00:07:04.659 --> 00:07:07.241 His touches is not right in certain places. 138 00:07:07.261 --> 00:07:10.022 He's making the wrong decisions at certain times on the pitch. 139 00:07:10.042 --> 00:07:12.583 He's not shooting as much as he should. 140 00:07:12.603 --> 00:07:16.305 He's certainly not getting the assists and all the goals. 141 00:07:17.005 --> 00:07:18.706 New language, new culture. 142 00:07:19.366 --> 00:07:21.467 As a toffee, I'm thinking long may that continue. 143 00:07:22.027 --> 00:07:23.588 I've got to be honest. 144 00:07:23.608 --> 00:07:27.630 You better not turn that on when he comes to Hill Dickinson, mate, or he's in a world of trouble, that little fool. 145 00:07:28.500 --> 00:07:36.183 Yeah, but it just shows, though, that money doesn't necessarily buy you the success. 146 00:07:37.344 --> 00:07:40.785 And then, you know, suddenly without meaning to, we're back on the Man City argument. 147 00:07:41.126 --> 00:07:46.248 Can you think of, Oz, a player who's come in and cost a huge amount? 148 00:07:46.328 --> 00:07:55.692 Or have you ever had a player come into Everton who everyone's gone, like, this boy's special, and he just wasn't that, he just couldn't adapt to the Premier League, no matter how many times he tried? 149 00:07:59.585 --> 00:08:04.570 Well, we brought in players that we thought were going to be very good in the Premier League. 150 00:08:05.511 --> 00:08:15.220 The one that always pops in my mind was Per Calderup, who, by the way, so we signed for probably five million back in the day when five million was a lot of money. 151 00:08:15.260 --> 00:08:20.065 It's laughable now that five million was a big price, but it was back then. 152 00:08:20.726 --> 00:08:21.246 And yeah. 153 00:08:22.267 --> 00:08:27.849 quickly realised that he was a ball-playing centre-half 15 years before now. 154 00:08:28.049 --> 00:08:38.534 So before it became a real thing, Moisey and Everton needed ball-winning centre-halves and Moisey was chucking the ball up to him and telling him, one, two, three, jump, now, Pear, jump, jump! 155 00:08:38.654 --> 00:08:41.775 And Pear Collard just couldn't quite get his time. 156 00:08:41.815 --> 00:08:43.496 And it was like he'd never headed the ball before. 157 00:08:43.656 --> 00:08:48.198 It's like he'd never got up in Premier League physicality because I think one of his first games... 158 00:08:48.798 --> 00:08:54.304 was up against John Carew at Villa Park, and we got beat 4-0, and that was like his first and last game. 159 00:08:55.285 --> 00:09:08.218 And we had a lot of expectations on him, but there was no doubt he was a good player, good defender, because he went back to Fiorentina and had a stellar career, had a really good career, but just wasn't cut out for the Premier League and the physicality of it. 160 00:09:08.338 --> 00:09:10.240 And, you know, your mate... 161 00:09:12.086 --> 00:09:15.731 Royston Drenthe, didn't quite, you know, came with a lot of talk. 162 00:09:15.892 --> 00:09:17.654 Tony, your mate, didn't quite. 163 00:09:17.674 --> 00:09:18.215 Why is he Tony's mate? 164 00:09:18.235 --> 00:09:19.377 He didn't go out with him, did you? 165 00:09:19.497 --> 00:09:20.658 No, definitely didn't. 166 00:09:20.739 --> 00:09:22.902 Well, we had that one night, but yeah, no. 167 00:09:25.888 --> 00:09:54.613 Tony was he with us that night was he with us that night in the playground I'm not sure if you but I don't know I can't remember Tony always the answer is I've no idea yeah can't remember no comments but you used to see him in the dressing rooms didn't you when you were having your nice bats and stuff yeah I see that lunatic in there and he had a gun tattooed on his leg just like it was normal you know what I mean yeah okay mate sound

absolutely brilliant looked like one of Pablo Escobar's love children love child yeah 168 00:09:56.266 --> 00:10:09.899 But you know, there are players down the years that come in, whether it was to us or to any team really, with big reputation, a lot of expectations and just don't, for whatever reason, cut it. 169 00:10:10.560 --> 00:10:15.945 Yeah, people come with high expectations, reputation, just doesn't quite happen at times. 170 00:10:16.005 --> 00:10:18.167 So, you know, it's no guarantee. 171 00:10:18.187 --> 00:10:18.808 And that's why... 172 00:10:20.038 --> 00:10:39.902 David Moyes gets a bit of criticism at times for how he looks at players in such depth and takes his time and scrutinises them and makes sure he's seen them so many times to make sure that nine out of his ten decisions on players he can guarantee will give you at least a six out of ten every week. 173 00:10:40.182 --> 00:10:42.622 I'm thinking on one on straight to mind. 174 00:10:43.102 --> 00:10:46.063 Did Feli just fit in straight away or did it take time? 175 00:10:47.352 --> 00:10:54.538 No, well, Fellaini came in because Moise needed a bit of height in his team and he played for, was it standard Liège? 176 00:10:55.018 --> 00:10:55.199 Yeah. 177 00:10:55.479 --> 00:11:03.265 I think he had a really good performance at Anfield for them in the Europa League or Champions League qualifiers or something. 178 00:11:03.566 --> 00:11:05.407 Played deep midfield. 179 00:11:05.427 --> 00:11:06.788 They played him in front of the back four. 180 00:11:08.089 --> 00:11:12.092 And he defended really well, did his jobs, won all his headers, made his tackles, and Moisey was impressed. 181 00:11:12.112 --> 00:11:13.112 Saw him a couple more times. 182 00:11:14.133 --> 00:11:17.015 Brought him to us for a good fee. 183 00:11:17.035 --> 00:11:19.516 Was it like 20 million or 25? 184 00:11:19.716 --> 00:11:21.057 25, I think. 185 00:11:21.077 --> 00:11:21.938 24, 25 million. 186 00:11:22.238 --> 00:11:29.522 And within about five or six games, we realised he couldn't play in front of the back four. 187 00:11:30.103 --> 00:11:37.087 He wasn't disciplined enough, really, and his passing was not as good as you needed to be in there for a player. 188 00:11:38.271 --> 00:11:47.284 What it did do with bringing him in, it made sure Bainsey and myself maybe could get a lot more game time at them moments because we had a lot more height in the team. 189 00:11:47.985 --> 00:11:49.688 And maybe we'd get the passing round in those ways. 190 00:11:49.728 --> 00:11:52.392 But suddenly, Feli came in as a deep number six. 191 00:11:53.293 --> 00:11:55.254 And actually we had to push him further forward. 192 00:11:55.694 --> 00:11:57.716 And then suddenly we realised he had a Velcro chest. 193 00:11:58.256 --> 00:12:00.697 And you could kick the ball at him from absolutely anywhere. 194 00:12:00.737 --> 00:12:02.538 He was unbelievable at that, by the way. 195 00:12:02.698 --> 00:12:03.999 I remember watching him and just being like... 196 00:12:04.019 --> 00:12:05.440 He could suck it onto his chest, yeah. 197 00:12:05.460 --> 00:12:08.342 He was like the best in the primitive chest control at that point, in my opinion. 198 00:12:08.462 --> 00:12:10.423 It was that good with the ball coming in. 199 00:12:10.503 --> 00:12:14.685 Who was ever better than him at controlling the ball from anywhere on the pitch on his chest? 200 00:12:15.466 --> 00:12:17.267 I don't know if there is anyone who has ever done it better than him. 201 00:12:18.236 --> 00:12:19.116 He was that good then. 202 00:12:19.136 --> 00:12:21.917 So you could, we used to just, you know, play diagonals. 203 00:12:22.497 --> 00:12:25.958 So to answer the question, it did take time for him to settle in then. 204 00:12:26.518 --> 00:12:27.918 It had to take time to find the position. 205 00:12:27.938 --> 00:12:29.159 It didn't take him a whole season. 206 00:12:29.659 --> 00:12:36.640 But how long, how long did it take you that's until you thought, like, that's his position, that's what he does, that's what he's got, that there's his strengths because he's come from a different league. 207 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:38.201 How many games did you say? 208 00:12:39.261 --> 00:12:40.101 I'm still waiting for him. 209 00:12:40.541 --> 00:12:41.121 Stop it, you. 210 00:12:41.481 --> 00:12:42.562 Is he a whinge? 211 00:12:42.942 --> 00:12:43.982 He'll whinge when you see him. 212 00:12:44.002 --> 00:12:45.822 He's a cerebral whinger. 213 00:12:46.063 --> 00:12:47.003 I'm seeing him for ages. 214 00:12:47.023 --> 00:12:47.683 I can say what I want. 215 00:12:49.685 --> 00:12:51.347 God, have you any season you're the size of the ball? 216 00:12:51.368 --> 00:12:51.888 No, do you know what? 217 00:12:51.908 --> 00:12:56.154 It wasn't too long but he suddenly started competing with Tim Cale for a position 218 00:12:58.316 --> 00:13:26.163 so he'd come in to be a complimentary in all the different ways we play football and suddenly without us meaning for it to happen they were competing over the same positions and then call it fortunate or not, before too long it definitely wasn't fortunate for the team, but fortunate for Moyes not needing to pick between Feli and Tim all of our strikers got injured long term, Louis Saha had done his hamstring badly, the yak 219 00:13:27.083 --> 00:13:42.410 tore his Achilles and suddenly we went into that season thinking we can really do something here because you've got a good balanced team we've got two top strikers I think we had another striker in there as well I think you had Victor and Vornis still floating around we had options 220 00:13:43.330 --> 00:13:49.112 And suddenly, we had injuries to everyone, and Tim and Feli played up front between them. 221 00:13:49.192 --> 00:13:56.194 And we basically played 4-6-0, but both of them were up front, but midfield. 222 00:13:56.214 --> 00:14:01.655 And it actually worked for us for a while because

they both wanted to go and score goals, but they both wanted to work back. 223 00:14:01.995 --> 00:14:04.116 And Feli had a Velcro chest, and we could play it up front. 224 00:14:04.676 --> 00:14:05.336 Tim got it up. 225 00:14:05.476 --> 00:14:11.498 It worked really well for a few months, but just not sustainable long-term to play without a striker because teams will work you out. 226 00:14:13.181 --> 00:14:15.682 Well, our number 10 bagged a goal on the weekend. 227 00:14:15.722 --> 00:14:20.824 Ozzy, you did say it was going to be a draw as well, two all, a hole. 228 00:14:21.964 --> 00:14:25.025 So is that two points dropped? 229 00:14:25.725 --> 00:14:26.345 What do you think? 230 00:14:27.206 --> 00:14:29.386 I had to threaten him to get him to 2-2, by the way. 231 00:14:29.406 --> 00:14:31.587 He said he was going to lose 2-1, if you remember correctly. 232 00:14:32.194 --> 00:14:32.434 Me? 233 00:14:32.554 --> 00:14:32.814 Ozzy? 234 00:14:32.974 --> 00:14:33.495 No, I never. 235 00:14:33.575 --> 00:14:33.835 No. 236 00:14:33.975 --> 00:14:35.215 I said a draw all the way. 237 00:14:35.255 --> 00:14:36.296 You said we were going to win. 238 00:14:36.316 --> 00:14:38.617 Yeah, I said a draw all the way. 239 00:14:38.637 --> 00:14:40.157 Do I have to coax him into something? 240 00:14:40.197 --> 00:14:42.518 Do they coax him into saying we were going to win? 241 00:14:42.578 --> 00:14:46.400 I said it would be a win, and I said I want it to be a win, but I think it's going to be a draw. 242 00:14:46.420 --> 00:14:47.160 Ozzy said 1-0. 243 00:14:47.180 --> 00:14:47.781 Did I first? 244 00:14:47.941 --> 00:14:48.181 I did. 245 00:14:48.201 --> 00:14:48.561 Didn't you? 246 00:14:49.321 --> 00:14:49.541 Yeah. 247 00:14:50.021 --> 00:14:50.682 Well done, Oz. 248 00:14:51.482 --> 00:14:52.302 That's brilliant. 249 00:14:52.843 --> 00:14:53.683 Well, yeah, what do you think? 250 00:14:53.703 --> 00:14:54.483 Two points dropped? 251 00:14:54.503 --> 00:14:55.664 Rich said that did not be coupon. 252 00:14:59.903 --> 00:15:01.645 Yes, I do think that's two points dropped. 253 00:15:01.825 --> 00:15:07.950 But only in the sense that, you know, we got ourselves ahead in the game. 254 00:15:08.851 --> 00:15:11.413 We did miss a lot of chances, which we'll come on to in a minute. 255 00:15:12.254 --> 00:15:14.396 But just the manner as which we conceded the goals. 256 00:15:14.656 --> 00:15:21.983 We don't go, I mean, if you go away from home and score two goals, especially to a team that's just been promoted, you've got to win that game. 257 00:15:22.343 --> 00:15:24.786 You can't go there and concede two goals and expect to win. 258 00:15:25.907 --> 00:15:26.027 Yeah. 259 00:15:27.936 --> 00:15:29.557 The manner of the goals as well. 260 00:15:30.577 --> 00:15:37.539 Two mistakes, really, by Ainsley Maitland-Niles, who has been excellent for us since he's joined the football club. 261 00:15:38.020 --> 00:15:43.501 He's what everybody wanted, a footballing right-back, a player that looks forward, has got a good pass. 262 00:15:43.522 --> 00:15:44.582 We saw that for his assist. 263 00:15:45.602 --> 00:15:54.365 But with that, there are moments that he plays like a forward-thinking full-back rather than a defender that's just going to kick it out the pitch from anywhere. 264 00:15:54.405 --> 00:15:56.046 And I thought it was telling... 265 00:15:57.335 --> 00:16:03.980 after the game when David Moyes said something like there was, how did he phrase it along the line? 266 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:08.863 There was a lot of non-Everton moments out there and a lot of not-Everton defending. 267 00:16:09.423 --> 00:16:10.744 I know exactly what he was talking about. 268 00:16:10.884 --> 00:16:17.749 He was talking about people trying to do backheels when you're in your own, couldn't hear your own corner, like being under pressure, people trying to do backheels. 269 00:16:18.049 --> 00:16:22.812 It was not a surprise at all to me that he got hooked within the next five minutes. 270 00:16:23.072 --> 00:16:26.395 I started warming up at home. 271 00:16:27.696 --> 00:16:29.117 Just in case I was going to go on. 272 00:16:29.778 --> 00:16:30.658 Jesus Christ. 273 00:16:31.259 --> 00:16:36.223 Do you think that's what we're going to have to expect from him moving forward or is it just one bad game? 274 00:16:37.364 --> 00:16:38.365 I'd be surprised. 275 00:16:39.246 --> 00:16:42.829 He might try something again, right? 276 00:16:42.849 --> 00:16:46.172 There might be a moment within the next 10 games that 277 00:16:47.618 --> 00:16:53.222 I actually think for the next two or three games, he'll kick a lot out, which I don't mind when it's in the right moment. 278 00:16:53.563 --> 00:16:54.243 You'll get the message. 279 00:16:54.283 --> 00:16:59.267 We still want him to play football, but I do think it'll seep back in and he'll do it again once. 280 00:16:59.687 --> 00:17:01.329 But for the most part, you learn quickly. 281 00:17:01.509 --> 00:17:01.729 Once. 282 00:17:01.749 --> 00:17:07.634 If you want to play... Has he still scarred from noisy slaps? 283 00:17:07.654 --> 00:17:08.214 Honestly. 284 00:17:08.294 --> 00:17:09.575 You won't believe how... 285 00:17:10.796 --> 00:17:16.080 You'll believe how skillful I was when I started playing for Everton and then. 286 00:17:16.800 --> 00:17:18.922 Year by year, Moisey took another trick from me. 287 00:17:18.942 --> 00:17:19.582 Oh. 288 00:17:19.622 --> 00:17:20.283 But he... 289 00:17:24.623 --> 00:17:25.063 Sorry, go on. 290 00:17:25.543 --> 00:17:26.024 You know what? 291 00:17:26.124 --> 00:17:28.645 I was just going to say Bill there. 292 00:17:29.045 --> 00:17:29.785 He has to. 293 00:17:30.006 --> 00:17:34.488 He's going to have to because, you know, he won't take that for much longer. 294 00:17:35.108 --> 00:17:39.770 I mean, that's been probably the politest and nicest way he's been told so far. 295 00:17:40.510 --> 00:17:43.712 I'm sure

they'll get more frequent and more. 296 00:17:44.492 --> 00:17:45.793 I'm trying to think of the nicest words. 297 00:17:45.813 --> 00:17:47.274 I'm trying to be best not to swear anymore. 298 00:17:47.614 --> 00:17:48.794 Hostile, they'll get. 299 00:17:49.535 --> 00:17:50.215 Oh, piss off. 300 00:17:52.514 --> 00:17:53.675 That's not a swear word. 301 00:17:53.975 --> 00:17:54.956 That's not a swear word. 302 00:17:55.337 --> 00:17:57.079 Don't threaten me with a good time. 303 00:17:57.279 --> 00:17:59.221 I know. 304 00:17:59.281 --> 00:18:02.924 That's generally as bad as I like to make it. 305 00:18:02.944 --> 00:18:04.606 Might as well say please or thank you. 306 00:18:04.726 --> 00:18:05.407 You know what I mean? 307 00:18:05.427 --> 00:18:06.087 That's brilliant. 308 00:18:06.748 --> 00:18:07.689 I mean proper swear words. 309 00:18:07.709 --> 00:18:11.092 I'll bring myself to go worse. 310 00:18:11.313 --> 00:18:11.593 Yeah. 311 00:18:11.693 --> 00:18:15.317 Look, so I think we should have, I think we definitely should have won the game. 312 00:18:18.018 --> 00:18:21.461 The fact that we went behind to a mistake, I'm thinking we're not going to make any more. 313 00:18:21.501 --> 00:18:22.482 We've goals ahead in the game. 314 00:18:22.502 --> 00:18:24.283 We should have gone ahead more. 315 00:18:25.925 --> 00:18:28.387 It's definitely two points dropped. 316 00:18:28.427 --> 00:18:29.928 And I know we're away from home. 317 00:18:30.129 --> 00:18:33.431 And I've always said a good... Any points away from home in the Premier League is good. 318 00:18:34.392 --> 00:18:37.415 But I think I always said you have to think about the circumstance in the moment. 319 00:18:37.455 --> 00:18:38.075 And I think I was... 320 00:18:39.495 --> 00:18:41.516 I think that was definitely two points dropped. 321 00:18:41.676 --> 00:18:42.756 We were the better team. 322 00:18:43.336 --> 00:18:44.737 We offered an awful lot more. 323 00:18:45.317 --> 00:18:46.297 We had our moments. 324 00:18:46.877 --> 00:18:56.380 And when you're the better team, I mean, there have been a couple of games where I think we got good points, but I definitely think this was an okay point rather than a bad point. 325 00:18:56.460 --> 00:18:57.560 It was definitely a drop point. 326 00:18:57.900 --> 00:19:00.761 Two points dropped. 327 00:19:00.801 --> 00:19:06.383 To be losing one, sorry Lee, to be losing one nil and then come back to me, I just think... 328 00:19:07.746 --> 00:19:19.395 When we're 1-0 down, do we really think, I mean, with all due respect and the way we look at it and the way we're playing, I don't head into games expecting to score two goals. 329 00:19:19.975 --> 00:19:20.976 I'm open to win. 330 00:19:21.536 --> 00:19:23.298 I just don't see two clear goals in us. 331 00:19:23.858 --> 00:19:29.722 I'm not going to lie, and that sounds harsh, but I just don't because we're just not taking enough chances up top. 332 00:19:30.863 --> 00:19:35.626 I mean, it's

insane that Barry slots the chance he does and misses the one he misses. 333 00:19:36.507 --> 00:19:38.788 But I do believe the lad is getting better. 334 00:19:38.848 --> 00:19:44.812 And when you just look at him purely for the goals that he's scored so far this season, he's having a good start. 335 00:19:44.892 --> 00:19:46.453 It's actually a decent start, isn't it? 336 00:19:46.973 --> 00:19:50.575 So I'm not giving that lad any stick in any way. 337 00:19:50.615 --> 00:19:51.296 I'm just saying... 338 00:19:53.690 --> 00:20:02.737 Well, you know, I struggle seeing more than one goal in Everton, but hopefully he's going to be a little bit more... What's the word I'm looking for? 339 00:20:03.917 --> 00:20:11.563 A little bit more conclusive, a little bit more... Just vicious and decisive. 340 00:20:11.603 --> 00:20:12.664 Potent sort of. 341 00:20:12.724 --> 00:20:14.305 Yeah, potent. 342 00:20:14.385 --> 00:20:15.346 Just be a killer. 343 00:20:15.806 --> 00:20:39.746 just a little bit more killer instinct ruthless ruthless that's the way that I was looking for just a little bit more ruthless because the best part about it is he's getting into the positions he's finding himself in these positions and he is missing the chances and I've always listened to I always listen to footballers and I listen to various stories that they tell or I've read books over the years autobiographies documentaries all of these things I've listened to 344 00:20:40.386 --> 00:20:41.647 And they all say the same thing. 345 00:20:42.708 --> 00:20:45.590 You better start worrying when he's not getting chances. 346 00:20:46.330 --> 00:20:50.834 If he's getting chances, that means he's in the right place and eventually they will start going in. 347 00:20:51.334 --> 00:20:54.857 And I just think this boy does keep finding himself in the right places. 348 00:20:55.717 --> 00:20:57.238 So it's only a matter of time. 349 00:20:58.819 --> 00:21:00.601 No, you're right, but there's a balance to it. 350 00:21:03.721 --> 00:21:08.005 if you are, you know, they always say, as long as you keep getting the chances, which is right. 351 00:21:08.886 --> 00:21:19.396 But there's also a moment where, and this is a credit to him, there are moments when you're actually a good enough sort of player to be instinctive, to know where to be, to get the chances. 352 00:21:20.257 --> 00:21:21.758 But then when you start missing them, 353 00:21:22.628 --> 00:21:24.289 You then stop getting in there. 354 00:21:24.690 --> 00:21:30.394 You know where to be, but you start thinking, well, I'm just going to run somewhere else now because I'm getting a lot of stick over missing these chances. 355 00:21:30.414 --> 00:21:32.456 So I'm going to run somewhere else. 356 00:21:32.476 --> 00:21:34.958 And that's slightly different to not getting the chances anymore. 357 00:21:34.998 --> 00:21:37.060 That is kind of avoiding the chances. 358 00:21:37.700 --> 00:21:43.445 And to be fair to him, he keeps getting criticized because he keeps on getting in there and keeps getting... 359 00:21:43.465 --> 00:21:44.146 I mean, he's missed. 360 00:21:44.186 --> 00:21:45.467 I think I saw a pop-up. 361 00:21:45.487 --> 00:21:54.254 This might not be exactly right, but he's missed 10 big chances on his own this season and Erling Haaland's missed five and he's in second, joint second. 362 00:21:54.414 --> 00:21:54.634 Yeah. 363 00:21:55.215 --> 00:21:59.458 So, if you look at it in the way that Everton are creating chances, great. 364 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:02.801 If you look at it that he's missing them, maybe he's going to get a couple more. 365 00:22:02.821 --> 00:22:05.864 To ask the player, Oz, does it ever get to a point where 366 00:22:07.310 --> 00:22:10.417 Let's just say a player won't slot him in. 367 00:22:11.219 --> 00:22:17.673 Have you ever played to the striker before and you go, you know this fella's going to miss and I'm not slotting him in, I'll go myself. 368 00:22:20.696 --> 00:22:21.457 I'm sure there is. 369 00:22:21.517 --> 00:22:23.780 I know that's hard, but have you experienced that? 370 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:24.560 Have you played it? 371 00:22:24.581 --> 00:22:27.344 Because you've played, you know, I'm trying to be the best I can here. 372 00:22:28.185 --> 00:22:30.568 I think I was probably that striker for a few people. 373 00:22:32.290 --> 00:22:33.091 Stop it, stop it. 374 00:22:33.111 --> 00:22:33.632 I know you weren't. 375 00:22:34.172 --> 00:22:35.654 But you've played. 376 00:22:35.934 --> 00:22:38.037 If I'm running through on goal and I've got... 377 00:22:39.198 --> 00:22:42.261 Louis Saha to my left and Tony Hibbert to my right. 378 00:22:42.762 --> 00:22:43.823 I'm looking to play Luian. 379 00:22:44.603 --> 00:22:45.904 I know that. 380 00:22:45.925 --> 00:22:47.626 Going through it's good situations. 381 00:22:47.646 --> 00:22:59.077 Listen, if you're keen in Jules Vio and you're running towards goal and you know you slot him in and it's a clear one-on-one chance or you take this on yourself, the defender's in front, you've got to beat him. 382 00:23:00.498 --> 00:23:02.820 Like, at what stage does it have to get to? 383 00:23:02.840 --> 00:23:03.601 How many more? 384 00:23:03.781 --> 00:23:07.344 How many big chances does someone have to miss before he goes, right, you know what? 385 00:23:07.364 --> 00:23:08.144 I've had enough now. 386 00:23:08.164 --> 00:23:08.965 I can't take any more. 387 00:23:09.025 --> 00:23:10.646 Because you must have played. 388 00:23:10.967 --> 00:23:13.549 You've had some naughty forwards play with you in your time. 389 00:23:14.710 --> 00:23:14.950 Yeah. 390 00:23:15.631 --> 00:23:16.832 You've had a couple. 391 00:23:16.872 --> 00:23:19.193 I'm saying no names, but you know who they are. 392 00:23:20.134 --> 00:23:20.875 Yeah, there was some. 393 00:23:23.241 --> 00:23:26.282 less than stellar ones, shall we say. 394 00:23:26.522 --> 00:23:31.423 But, even if we talk about

someone like the Strach, you know, the big Strach. 395 00:23:31.463 --> 00:23:34.804 See, I didn't want to say his name, but I was going to add a different reference for him. 396 00:23:35.484 --> 00:23:36.304 I'm sure he's not listening. 397 00:23:36.324 --> 00:23:37.604 I'm sure he'll be okay. 398 00:23:37.664 --> 00:23:40.505 But someone like that, or, you know, Umar on the ass, even. 399 00:23:40.645 --> 00:23:50.927 You know, someone like that who have big smiles on their face, they love it, you know, but, yeah, they might not have scored the amount of goals, they might not be there then. 400 00:23:53.021 --> 00:23:54.726 Yeah, there comes a moment. 401 00:23:54.746 --> 00:24:00.702 But the best thing is, did you hear the interview after the game of Kean and Drew's Beall with... 402 00:24:01.854 --> 00:24:06.556 with Big Tieno, and he was such high praise, and he was saying, I'm hard on him. 403 00:24:06.576 --> 00:24:09.157 This is Keenan talking about Tieno. 404 00:24:09.417 --> 00:24:11.818 I'm hard on him because I want so much for him. 405 00:24:11.838 --> 00:24:12.779 I want so good. 406 00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:14.460 I want him to be the best. 407 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:16.781 I want to provide goals for him. 408 00:24:16.801 --> 00:24:17.921 I want him to be the top. 409 00:24:18.281 --> 00:24:19.282 And he's given it all this. 410 00:24:19.342 --> 00:24:24.284 So as long as the noises are still like that, they want him to succeed so much. 411 00:24:24.744 --> 00:24:28.506 Then you don't need to worry about them not providing chances for him. 412 00:24:28.526 --> 00:24:30.287 You just want him to find that. 413 00:24:31.007 --> 00:24:35.151 that run where things start literally going in off his hip. 414 00:24:35.451 --> 00:24:38.394 And to be fair, he did have one that went in off his hip a couple of weeks back. 415 00:24:38.874 --> 00:24:48.924 But things just go for him because, yeah, I mean, I heard players, sorry, fans quite critical of a number of sort of reasons why we didn't win the game. 416 00:24:48.964 --> 00:24:51.666 And a lot getting on his back. 417 00:24:51.746 --> 00:24:54.809 And yes, of course, you need your top strikers if you're getting that many chances. 418 00:24:54.829 --> 00:24:55.330 Because we... 419 00:24:55.870 --> 00:24:58.633 You said, Tony, before that you don't expect us to score many goals. 420 00:24:58.693 --> 00:25:00.515 We're creating a lot of chances at the minute. 421 00:25:00.535 --> 00:25:00.736 We are. 422 00:25:00.996 --> 00:25:01.276 We are. 423 00:25:02.157 --> 00:25:14.790 And actually, unlike last year, and definitely for the last five years, I don't panic if we go behind in games now because the noise is, again, I think Keenan was the main person to get interviewed after the game. 424 00:25:15.231 --> 00:25:16.352 He's talking to say... 425 00:25:17.555 --> 00:25:19.235 that we don't panic, it galvanises us. 426 00:25:19.255 --> 00:25:22.156 We know we've got enough quality in the team and we're going to come back and we don't give up. 427 00:25:22.176 --> 00:25:26.417 It doesn't phase us, it doesn't make us change, it doesn't make our game plan. 428 00:25:27.257 --> 00:25:42.321 They were exactly the things that we got drilled into us in David Moyes' first time around, when we had the likes of, you know, Cale, Pienaar, Arteta, myself in there, others, strikers, you know... 429 00:25:43.221 --> 00:25:44.822 And I know it was like being in those dressing rooms. 430 00:25:44.882 --> 00:25:49.603 And actually there is a lot of, a lot of faith, you know, sometimes you have to give the opposition credit. 431 00:25:49.723 --> 00:25:51.564 Sometimes you, that they've scored a goal. 432 00:25:51.584 --> 00:25:57.145 Sometimes your team's made a mistake and you go, well, we're up against it, but we're not blaming anyone. 433 00:25:57.165 --> 00:25:57.786 We don't panic. 434 00:25:57.826 --> 00:25:58.566 It's time to write. 435 00:25:58.726 --> 00:25:59.746 We're going to rely on each other. 436 00:25:59.786 --> 00:26:00.586 Now I'm going to turn to you. 437 00:26:00.606 --> 00:26:01.567 You're going to step your game up. 438 00:26:01.867 --> 00:26:02.967 You're going to step your game up. 439 00:26:03.687 --> 00:26:05.228 And we're going to go in search of that goal. 440 00:26:05.248 --> 00:26:11.830 And actually what the opening goal did do, it made Kean and Dewsbury Hall raise this game because in the first half, he was quite poor. 441 00:26:12.810 --> 00:26:16.014 And our best player in the first half by a mile was Harrison Armstrong. 442 00:26:16.915 --> 00:26:18.417 And Harrison was great for an hour. 443 00:26:19.157 --> 00:26:20.259 He was great for an hour. 444 00:26:20.659 --> 00:26:25.525 And then he made one bad pass and he followed it up with another bad pass and another bad pass. 445 00:26:25.865 --> 00:26:27.567 And he did like four things back to back. 446 00:26:28.008 --> 00:26:31.412 Having had a brilliant hour that doing four things back to back 447 00:26:32.935 --> 00:26:35.777 Most managers look at you and go, well, he's having a bit of a bad run. 448 00:26:35.797 --> 00:26:37.658 I'm not sure he's going to be able to. 449 00:26:37.698 --> 00:26:39.820 It doesn't look like he's going to play his way through this little patch. 450 00:26:40.260 --> 00:26:41.361 And I've got enough on the bench. 451 00:26:41.981 --> 00:26:42.682 I'm going to get him on. 452 00:26:43.422 --> 00:26:51.868 So my message to Harrison Armstrong in those moments would be, if you've made a bad pass or you've done something wrong, make sure the next thing you do is good and positive. 453 00:26:51.908 --> 00:26:55.270 And then you'll stay on the pitch. 454 00:26:55.370 --> 00:26:57.852 If you have four things back-to-back where you do them negatively, 455 00:26:58.652 --> 00:27:01.793 everyone's going to start looking at your end, looking at the bench and things like that. 456 00:27:02.193 --> 00:27:05.455 But what it did to Keenan, it sort of

made him stick his chest out. 457 00:27:05.835 --> 00:27:06.975 And he suddenly went right. 458 00:27:07.435 --> 00:27:08.056 Well, 1-0 beyond. 459 00:27:08.456 --> 00:27:11.597 All of these words that he said, I saw in his second half performance. 460 00:27:12.017 --> 00:27:12.897 He stuck his chest out. 461 00:27:12.917 --> 00:27:13.558 He got the ball. 462 00:27:13.578 --> 00:27:13.818 He was... 463 00:27:14.398 --> 00:27:15.959 better in everything he did. 464 00:27:15.979 --> 00:27:16.679 He took the ball. 465 00:27:16.699 --> 00:27:17.899 He was bringing other people into play. 466 00:27:17.919 --> 00:27:26.482 He was running beyond, scored the goal, assist obviously for the second one, which was great for my fantasy league this week, Liam. 467 00:27:26.542 --> 00:27:29.243 So I was pleased and I don't panic. 468 00:27:30.063 --> 00:27:32.324 I don't panic when we go behind in the way he does. 469 00:27:32.544 --> 00:27:35.645 Just remember who sold you at the start who was having the big seasons, boys. 470 00:27:35.885 --> 00:27:41.387 I did tell you Keenan was going to have his best season and I did tell you Tyreek George was going to have it and they are both doing well. 471 00:27:42.085 --> 00:27:42.586 And guess what? 472 00:27:42.706 --> 00:27:48.612 I have Tiano Barry up front as well because he's the only forward in the league I know who's starting every single week without fail. 473 00:27:49.213 --> 00:27:52.697 So Tiano Barry is in my Premier League team, my fantasy football team. 474 00:27:53.057 --> 00:27:53.798 That's a point though. 475 00:27:53.818 --> 00:27:59.545 Do you think if we did have another striker then he'd be forced to actually execute these chances that he's missing? 476 00:27:59.785 --> 00:28:00.506 Is that part of it? 477 00:28:02.622 --> 00:28:03.783 I don't think that comes into it. 478 00:28:04.443 --> 00:28:07.044 I think he's trying to... 479 00:28:07.084 --> 00:28:14.287 If I say yes to that answer, that is a false sense of security because that means he's missing them unpurposely. 480 00:28:15.547 --> 00:28:17.248 So if you say yes... No, I'm not missing them on purpose. 481 00:28:17.328 --> 00:28:25.391 No, I know what you're saying, but... Is there an element of that extra little bit of pressure on a player means that I have to go all the way? 482 00:28:25.412 --> 00:28:26.472 Oh, possibly, yeah. 483 00:28:26.492 --> 00:28:28.593 When Besser and Barney were competing against each other? 484 00:28:29.654 --> 00:28:32.056 It was almost like you could say it in them, like, I've got a score here. 485 00:28:32.256 --> 00:28:33.817 Do you know what I think that'll be? 486 00:28:33.837 --> 00:28:35.959 I think he'd be a lot more gutted when he misses. 487 00:28:37.080 --> 00:28:38.701 That's the only difference I think it makes. 488 00:28:38.781 --> 00:28:47.709 When Beto's sitting on that bench waiting and Barry misses a chance in the second half and now we're gone, you're not right, I'm getting hooked here.

489 00:28:48.349 --> 00:28:50.850 But now he knows, no, I'm not getting hooked. 490 00:28:50.870 --> 00:28:53.551 See, I... Go on. 491 00:28:53.591 --> 00:29:03.014 Does that mean... Well, I wouldn't know what it means as a player, but in my mind, I'm just thinking, he knows he's getting hooked here, and he's not that gutted. 492 00:29:03.494 --> 00:29:05.215 But he'll be gutted when he misses him. 493 00:29:05.515 --> 00:29:09.937 But he's better sitting there, because he knows he's getting bagged off, and that's when I think he'll be gutted. 494 00:29:09.957 --> 00:29:10.737 Yeah, so... 495 00:29:12.143 --> 00:29:15.168 You're kind of getting it right there with how it feels. 496 00:29:17.150 --> 00:29:27.165 So, for instance, when Beto was here last season, if one of them misses a chance, then they actually go, oh, no, that might be a big chance. 497 00:29:27.205 --> 00:29:27.525 And then... 498 00:29:28.206 --> 00:29:30.207 You're looking to the bench going, oh, don't take me off. 499 00:29:30.227 --> 00:29:31.028 I've got another chance. 500 00:29:31.108 --> 00:29:36.851 And, you know, by the way, Barry's getting three chances a game at the minimum, maybe four, right? 501 00:29:36.871 --> 00:29:37.411 Maybe four. 502 00:29:38.012 --> 00:29:41.954 So if he misses the first one, oh, it's a bit anxious. 503 00:29:41.994 --> 00:29:46.117 And then as the second one comes out, you're like, I've got to score this one because otherwise he's going to take me off. 504 00:29:46.157 --> 00:29:48.458 And then you start getting really uptight over the second one. 505 00:29:48.478 --> 00:29:51.500 And then if you happen to be on for the third one, it's do or die. 506 00:29:51.820 --> 00:29:54.481 And by the time you go to make the chance, you know, the pressure that's on it. 507 00:29:54.501 --> 00:29:56.343 Whereas what he's got at the minute... 508 00:29:57.223 --> 00:30:00.407 He misses the first chance, yes, but he's not going to come off. 509 00:30:00.507 --> 00:30:02.910 So I could just stay nice and relaxed for the second one. 510 00:30:02.930 --> 00:30:06.073 And when the second one comes my way, I'll take that because I'm going to stay on. 511 00:30:06.093 --> 00:30:10.879 There's no panic about him getting dragged off because he misses chances now, if you know what I mean. 512 00:30:10.899 --> 00:30:12.641 Yeah, so it could actually be a positive then, couldn't it? 513 00:30:12.821 --> 00:30:13.682 It is a positive because... 514 00:30:14.703 --> 00:30:15.724 He can stay more relaxed. 515 00:30:15.744 --> 00:30:29.371 He can stay calm because he's only going to come off either if he gets injured or, you know, with a couple of goals up or like at the end of the last game when he was literally had cramp after 80 minutes and we cannot mess with him making him run through cramp for two minutes, that kind of thing. 516 00:30:29.391 --> 00:30:30.531 So get him off. 517 00:30:30.991 --> 00:30:37.255 So he's going to come off for them reasons, but actually just for missing his chances, he's not going to come off for them at the moment. 518 00:30:37.275 --> 00:30:41.437 So actually, I think he looked more like when he went through for the chance he scored for the goal. 519 00:30:42.658 --> 00:30:43.218 If that was... 520 00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:49.425 I mean, previously, he may have not been on the pitch for that point because Beto might have been on for that point because he'd missed his chances. 521 00:30:49.445 --> 00:30:51.787 Whereas, so David Moyes has got to sort of keep him on. 522 00:30:52.548 --> 00:30:53.949 So he's going to get the benefits of... 523 00:30:55.176 --> 00:30:57.237 of that if the chances keep coming his way. 524 00:30:57.277 --> 00:31:00.097 Tierno's now staying on and he's nice, a lot more relaxed. 525 00:31:00.437 --> 00:31:04.818 He's not trying to just, you know, as I keep using the word anxious, but he's not uptight. 526 00:31:04.858 --> 00:31:07.579 He's not snatching at it because this might be it. 527 00:31:08.059 --> 00:31:13.261 And he went through on goal, picked his head or picked his spot, caressed, you know, passed it into the goal. 528 00:31:13.361 --> 00:31:13.721 Brilliant. 529 00:31:14.301 --> 00:31:18.122 And so we're all getting, as long as he stays fit, we're going to get the reward. 530 00:31:18.142 --> 00:31:18.822 And I do think, 531 00:31:21.449 --> 00:31:22.730 I'm pleased with his chances. 532 00:31:24.231 --> 00:31:26.373 I think he's improving of where he's running. 533 00:31:27.434 --> 00:31:31.537 I'm not sure technically I'm seeing him sort of really improve yet. 534 00:31:33.199 --> 00:31:33.919 Maybe that'll come. 535 00:31:34.840 --> 00:31:36.201 But he's getting the chances. 536 00:31:36.882 --> 00:31:40.725 He should have scored three minimum at the weekend, but he scores one. 537 00:31:40.945 --> 00:31:46.190 I mean, I know a lot of strikers that made their career on those kind of numbers, taking one of three chances a game. 538 00:31:47.216 --> 00:31:58.359 But even if they're major chances, I mean, people used to criticize Andy Cole, by the way, who scored like 290 leading Premier League goals because he missed two good chances of the game. 539 00:31:58.379 --> 00:31:59.379 But what a striker he was. 540 00:32:00.179 --> 00:32:03.520 Andrew Cole, I think he's changed his, made sure he's got his full name in. 541 00:32:03.540 --> 00:32:05.900 But what a striker, but he missed a lot of chances. 542 00:32:06.821 --> 00:32:12.062 So maybe, I mean, if Tieno can keep the record up of one every two games, 543 00:32:13.088 --> 00:32:21.033 And when we look at the end of the season, he had 80 big chances, but scored 29 goals. 544 00:32:21.053 --> 00:32:22.294 He gets 18 to 20 Premier League goals. 545 00:32:22.874 --> 00:32:23.835 He's had a great season. 546 00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:34.301 Yeah We'd all take that At the start of the season Would we? 547 00:32:34.501 --> 00:32:52.946 Mate 18-20 Premier League goals Is a great return And

it means He's improving rapidly And he's not Touched the surface yet Because he's only You've got to remember How young he is He's only going to get better And he's only Going to get more confidence And that That for me Is the biggest word With strikers Confidence 548 00:32:54.046 --> 00:32:55.246 I just think that's the difference. 549 00:32:55.286 --> 00:32:59.928 When a striker's confident, they're taking things on that they don't usually do. 550 00:32:59.948 --> 00:33:03.988 They're taking shots from places they don't usually take them because they've got confidence levels through the roof. 551 00:33:04.689 --> 00:33:07.829 And I just think the lad is getting more confident. 552 00:33:08.830 --> 00:33:09.610 But time will tell. 553 00:33:09.910 --> 00:33:10.590 Time will tell. 554 00:33:10.790 --> 00:33:15.751 What has everyone made of the little fellow Lissandro Martinez doing what he's done? 555 00:33:16.231 --> 00:33:17.592 Because I think it's brilliant. 556 00:33:17.652 --> 00:33:18.872 I think it's hilarious. 557 00:33:19.612 --> 00:33:22.634 It's brilliant when it's another football club, isn't it? 558 00:33:23.054 --> 00:33:24.435 You just sit there. 559 00:33:24.455 --> 00:33:25.936 You know, why was I watching it? 560 00:33:26.777 --> 00:33:29.918 I'd come back from our baby's footy and we put it on. 561 00:33:30.959 --> 00:33:33.561 And I was actually watching the interview live. 562 00:33:34.041 --> 00:33:35.082 The kids must have had it. 563 00:33:35.122 --> 00:33:36.442 It was on Amazon Prime. 564 00:33:37.303 --> 00:33:44.387 And as soon as he said it, because the guy asking the questions, I know that man as well. 565 00:33:44.467 --> 00:33:44.948 I know, is it? 566 00:33:45.688 --> 00:33:47.649 He actually... Clark. 567 00:33:47.929 --> 00:33:48.589 Gabriel Clark. 568 00:33:48.609 --> 00:33:49.229 Gabriel, Gabe. 569 00:33:49.389 --> 00:33:51.390 Gabe, Gabriel Clark. 570 00:33:51.570 --> 00:33:53.891 He didn't realize, he couldn't believe what he was saying. 571 00:33:54.171 --> 00:33:56.151 Yeah, it was like he was shocked. 572 00:33:56.531 --> 00:33:57.792 And he doubled down on it. 573 00:33:58.132 --> 00:34:01.433 And I was just thinking, go on, this is brilliant. 574 00:34:02.586 --> 00:34:11.193 I was glad he asked him to repeat it because I was like finished watching the game and I'd watched that game and United should have got something from it. 575 00:34:11.233 --> 00:34:12.393 They had great chances. 576 00:34:12.453 --> 00:34:14.195 They're a little bit naive defensively. 577 00:34:14.235 --> 00:34:15.356 They're not scoring goals at the top. 578 00:34:15.756 --> 00:34:23.762 Anyway, and I was just potting around, cleaning up before I go to bed, but I'd left the telly on and I was coming back into sort of, you know, pottering around the room. 579 00:34:23.782 --> 00:34:25.123 You've been doing the dishes, Ash. 580 00:34:25.143 --> 00:34:26.204 You told you to wash up. 581 00:34:26.244 --> 00:34:26.684 Kind of, yeah.

582 00:34:27.124 --> 00:34:28.325 Probably cleaning up anyway. 583 00:34:28.645 --> 00:34:31.828 And as I've literally come back in, I've gone like, you know, when you hear something, you go, 584 00:34:33.754 --> 00:34:34.895 What's he saying? 585 00:34:34.955 --> 00:34:36.977 And then I stopped and I was like that. 586 00:34:38.739 --> 00:34:43.765 So I was in America at Denver so I haven't seen any post-match interviews. 587 00:34:43.785 --> 00:34:45.527 They only had the games on where I was. 588 00:34:45.567 --> 00:34:46.868 It was last night, Champions League. 589 00:34:47.028 --> 00:34:47.729 He gave it to the league. 590 00:34:47.749 --> 00:34:48.350 Oh, it was Champions League? 591 00:34:48.490 --> 00:34:49.071 Yeah, Champions League. 592 00:34:49.091 --> 00:34:50.212 It was Champions League, yeah. 593 00:34:50.232 --> 00:34:52.154 He just went, so you're saying you're not happy with the squad? 594 00:34:52.174 --> 00:34:53.095 And he went, absolutely. 595 00:34:53.315 --> 00:34:53.816 Absolutely. 596 00:34:54.436 --> 00:34:56.818 Yeah, they went, so it's another poor performance. 597 00:34:56.858 --> 00:34:59.040 It's another bad start to the league. 598 00:34:59.380 --> 00:35:01.322 You know, bad start to the season continues. 599 00:35:01.902 --> 00:35:03.623 You know, the manager's going, what do you think? 600 00:35:03.643 --> 00:35:07.166 And he went, basically, he said, stop criticising the manager. 601 00:35:07.446 --> 00:35:08.607 Don't even criticise the players. 602 00:35:08.907 --> 00:35:11.329 If you want to criticise someone, look at the hierarchy. 603 00:35:11.349 --> 00:35:14.111 The techno director needs to take a lot of stick. 604 00:35:14.192 --> 00:35:16.593 And they went, you thought he'd sign more players or something? 605 00:35:16.613 --> 00:35:18.135 They went, yeah, he needed to sign more players. 606 00:35:18.535 --> 00:35:19.856 Basically said, we're not quite good enough. 607 00:35:20.616 --> 00:35:20.837 And... 608 00:35:22.177 --> 00:35:49.833 yeah and he just kept saying the hierarchy of the club the hierarchy of the club and then Comette was like just check you just said that yeah just check you said that he's going yeah so he said you saying you're not happy with the recruitment and he used the words absolutely or he said something along them lines of yes absolutely you're not happy with the recruitment he was basically saying you don't think your squad's good enough and he was basically saying yeah Oz do you know you're a player in that dressing room how do you feel he basically told you she said all crap yeah 609 00:35:50.715 --> 00:35:55.598 Yeah, it depends if I'm a fringe player or I'm one of the main players in the squad. 610 00:35:55.918 --> 00:35:57.219 And then you know what the best part was? 611 00:35:57.259 --> 00:36:00.420 Till Evans comes out and does the interview after it and you can just tell. 612 00:36:01.001 --> 00:36:01.681 He goes to Tillman. 613 00:36:01.701 --> 00:36:13.908 So we've

just had Martinez out here, mate, and he's just basically said that he's not happy with the recruitment and mate, Uri Tillman, just goes, Fulcombe, please, no comment mode. 614 00:36:14.028 --> 00:36:15.428 I've got no comment for that. 615 00:36:15.729 --> 00:36:17.390 I've got no comment. 616 00:36:17.450 --> 00:36:18.070 It depends. 617 00:36:19.258 --> 00:36:23.579 I thought Sherlock Holmes was questioning him for a second. 618 00:36:23.939 --> 00:36:24.959 I've got no comment for that. 619 00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:27.519 His arse was completely gone. 620 00:36:27.579 --> 00:36:29.580 He did no part in that. 621 00:36:29.900 --> 00:36:31.620 They pay me wages, mate. 622 00:36:31.900 --> 00:36:33.200 Don't bring this trouble to me. 623 00:36:34.941 --> 00:36:44.402 Tillemans coming out and getting interviewed next after Martinez has just basically said the club haven't signed good enough players as part of what he's saying. 624 00:36:44.682 --> 00:36:47.483 And Tillemans has just been signed in but thinking, cheeky, cheeky. 625 00:36:48.578 --> 00:37:08.290 right yeah he's like the best summer signing my team was being quizzed by pc plum because made to come up with i've got no comment for that that's more so i could think was does this fella think he's in a police station that's all i think that's all i was thinking about it's good like what are you doing if a player puts you one of your teammates put you in that position 626 00:37:09.351 --> 00:37:12.233 What can you... What do you do? 627 00:37:12.253 --> 00:37:13.554 Do you back them? 628 00:37:13.634 --> 00:37:15.416 It depends on the feeling in the dressing room. 629 00:37:15.756 --> 00:37:21.741 It depends on how galvanised you are, what the feeling around the club is. 630 00:37:21.801 --> 00:37:23.041 Do you feel you're all together? 631 00:37:23.082 --> 00:37:25.323 Do you feel you've been sort of let down? 632 00:37:25.804 --> 00:37:30.047 It's tough to say you're right to ever criticise the club in that way. 633 00:37:30.387 --> 00:37:33.970 Even if you do believe it, you get paid to go out there and do a job. 634 00:37:34.010 --> 00:37:35.011 It doesn't matter whether you've... 635 00:37:37.251 --> 00:37:39.152 you know, what teammates you've got alongside you. 636 00:37:39.172 --> 00:37:40.372 You've got to go out and do the job. 637 00:37:40.412 --> 00:37:42.233 It's the criticisms for other people to make. 638 00:37:43.213 --> 00:37:44.194 Listen to Soaksport. 639 00:37:44.234 --> 00:37:49.835 And if you do feel that... Yeah, but if you do feel that as a player, you generally keep that within house. 640 00:37:50.456 --> 00:37:57.658 I mean, and I know the world has changed with regards to exposure and what you say privately and what you say out in public with social media these days. 641 00:37:58.318 --> 00:38:02.139 It's completely changed, but that's something that always sort of happened in the dressing room. 642 00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:04.580 But, you know, quite often you try

and sort of... 643 00:38:05.567 --> 00:38:33.759 back at it but if he came in a dress room you'd be going straight away you mean me you're talking about me you better not be talking about me another funny part was was on the doc was was working the broadcast and he goes uh he gave it to him he's given it to him and i think like he must have forgot that he'd done it himself and then someone must have reminded him in a break of something that he'd done he went oh yeah i apologize i had to apologize after i'd done something similar because he'd done it to ferguson didn't he 644 00:38:34.520 --> 00:38:38.310 He wasn't happy with the recruitment or something, or he questioned it. 645 00:38:38.832 --> 00:38:41.118 And then he asked, three days later, he had to apologize. 646 00:38:41.862 --> 00:38:48.764 I think it was, was it to do when he was, they were talking about him signing a new contract and he was like, I'm not doing it until I know what's happening with the recruitment or something like that. 647 00:38:48.804 --> 00:38:49.024 Yeah. 648 00:38:49.645 --> 00:38:51.245 The club aren't showing enough ambition. 649 00:38:52.646 --> 00:38:56.147 Oh, and then he apologised after it. 650 00:38:56.267 --> 00:39:02.869 It made good to be, but when you've won the World Cup and you've done this and he could go play anywhere he wants, he's probably not that bothered. 651 00:39:02.989 --> 00:39:06.310 I think he seems a bit frustrated that he's not winning at United. 652 00:39:06.610 --> 00:39:11.612 My thought process was when I was listening to it directly, straight away, he's engineering the movie. 653 00:39:12.533 --> 00:39:13.754 Yeah, that's what it felt like. 654 00:39:13.854 --> 00:39:18.718 Because if Bruno Fernandes comes out and says it, I kind of think that's okay because he's the captain. 655 00:39:19.138 --> 00:39:21.220 He's basically speaking on behalf of the squad. 656 00:39:22.401 --> 00:39:25.863 So I'm not saying it's right, but I get it if the captain comes out and says it. 657 00:39:25.883 --> 00:39:27.364 Do you know what I mean? 658 00:39:27.384 --> 00:39:30.106 He's a player of authority at the club if the captain says it. 659 00:39:30.627 --> 00:39:35.931 But when someone like him comes out and says it, I just thought, oh, you're an engineer in your movie, lad, you're showing your cards. 660 00:39:36.671 --> 00:39:38.653 So I'll be amazed if he's still there after Christmas. 661 00:39:40.376 --> 00:39:42.117 Yeah, I agree. 662 00:39:42.157 --> 00:39:45.359 But they... Would you say they've... 663 00:39:45.379 --> 00:39:49.240 I mean, they spent a bit of money in terms of Belieber coming in, Tielemans coming in. 664 00:39:49.260 --> 00:39:50.521 He looked all right last night in. 665 00:39:51.662 --> 00:39:52.662 I like the look of that Belieber. 666 00:39:52.682 --> 00:39:53.262 He was solid. 667 00:39:53.963 --> 00:39:54.583 He was a little tank. 668 00:39:54.603 --> 00:39:55.503 Yeah, he's a good player. 669 00:39:56.204 --> 00:39:58.064 Where did he get him from? 670 00:39:58.104 --> 00:39:58.965 Where did they play... 671 00:40:00.296 --> 00:40:00.837 Brighton? 672 00:40:00.957 --> 00:40:02.059 I didn't know that. 673 00:40:02.821 --> 00:40:04.384 Yeah, spent a bit of money on him. 674 00:40:04.424 --> 00:40:08.451 I think most people had United looking good at the start of the season. 675 00:40:08.672 --> 00:40:11.336 So, I think the players need to have a little bit of a look at themselves. 676 00:40:12.397 --> 00:40:13.978 It's 100% players. 677 00:40:14.738 --> 00:40:15.679 It's 100% players. 678 00:40:15.999 --> 00:40:16.459 100%. 679 00:40:16.680 --> 00:40:23.524 You don't finish the season like they did and get the Champions League spot and then just fall off out of nowhere. 680 00:40:24.284 --> 00:40:27.006 It's like I hear the stories of New York as a player. 681 00:40:27.026 --> 00:40:31.268 You know when a caretaker manager comes in or an interim manager, whatever they want to call him. 682 00:40:32.549 --> 00:40:34.430 An interim manager comes in, he's everyone's mate. 683 00:40:35.591 --> 00:40:38.893 And then he stops being everyone's mate and now he's everyone's boss. 684 00:40:40.249 --> 00:40:46.395 And that's what the story that I hear from players all the time on various, like I said before, stories, podcasts, books, whatever. 685 00:40:46.856 --> 00:40:49.078 When they become the boss, things change. 686 00:40:50.018 --> 00:40:53.462 Because he's no longer kind of asking or pleading with people. 687 00:40:53.622 --> 00:40:55.003 He's telling and demanding. 688 00:40:55.904 --> 00:40:57.906 And that might be a little bit different. 689 00:40:58.246 --> 00:40:59.928 The problem with that place, mate, is... 690 00:41:01.149 --> 00:41:20.671 anyone who was taking that job after Sir Alex Ferguson it was a poison chalice and then ultimately the egos in that dressing room and the egos at that club are out of control and they have been for I would say decades now not a decade I'm saying decades the egos are out of control egos are rolling dressing rooms 691 00:41:21.792 --> 00:41:24.033 And it's just, you can't be having it. 692 00:41:24.594 --> 00:41:25.214 You can't be having it. 693 00:41:25.234 --> 00:41:29.756 I will say there probably are a few players that act better than they are, maybe. 694 00:41:29.976 --> 00:41:43.843 But I think the thing with Man United at the minute, why we all thought they were going to be better, Bruno Fernandes played outstanding last season with regards to assists and goals and contributions and raising the team's standards and making the team look great. 695 00:41:44.985 --> 00:41:48.314 It just shows he's had an off start to the season. 696 00:41:48.614 --> 00:41:51.622 I know because my Fantasy League points haven't been as good as I needed off him. 697 00:41:51.863 --> 00:41:53.346 And again, I'm thinking about getting rid of him. 698 00:41:54.797 --> 00:42:00.803 But if he's not performing, then Manchester United

don't seem to have other components that are stepping up. 699 00:42:01.544 --> 00:42:02.805 And that is basically... 700 00:42:02.825 --> 00:42:03.566 Didn't look at it like that. 701 00:42:03.586 --> 00:42:09.832 Yeah, because I'm watching the game with my son and my dad last night and he was like, why aren't they bringing Bruno Fernandes off? 702 00:42:09.852 --> 00:42:10.953 He's playing rubbish again. 703 00:42:11.053 --> 00:42:11.714 Can't take him off. 704 00:42:11.794 --> 00:42:14.817 And I was like, because Carrick won't bring him off because he's the only one that ever does anything. 705 00:42:15.317 --> 00:42:16.618 It doesn't matter how bad he's playing. 706 00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:17.959 You bring him off, you're not. 707 00:42:18.160 --> 00:42:20.262 And he brought him off right at the very end when they had 10 men. 708 00:42:20.302 --> 00:42:22.444 But yes, he is the captain as well. 709 00:42:22.824 --> 00:42:29.590 But you think, when was the last time anyone really had a run of scoring or creating goals that wasn't Bruno Fernandes? 710 00:42:29.711 --> 00:42:30.571 When did anyone say... 711 00:42:31.412 --> 00:42:35.676 have five goal contributions on the run in the United team. 712 00:42:36.577 --> 00:42:44.764 That may have happened, but if Bruno takes all the bloodets and if he's not doing it, then it turns out they're not as good as everyone thought they'd be. 713 00:42:44.864 --> 00:42:48.727 It's such a sad case to not see Marcus Rashford shining. 714 00:42:49.468 --> 00:42:50.869 I think he's a brilliant player. 715 00:42:51.410 --> 00:42:54.492 I think he's a proper precocious talent. 716 00:42:54.532 --> 00:42:55.593 I think he's brilliant. 717 00:42:55.994 --> 00:42:57.375 I think he's got the lot, that lad. 718 00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:01.897 and it's just so sad to not see him fulfilling his potential. 719 00:43:03.580 --> 00:43:05.100 I just think it's a criminal. 720 00:43:05.160 --> 00:43:05.801 It's a crime. 721 00:43:06.641 --> 00:43:10.142 I mean, I look at the money they've spent. 722 00:43:10.182 --> 00:43:13.282 They bought Jadon Sancho for absolute fortunes. 723 00:43:14.283 --> 00:43:17.103 And he can't even get a contract, that lad. 724 00:43:17.143 --> 00:43:18.063 What's going on there? 725 00:43:18.444 --> 00:43:23.805 Okay, but look, on the one hand, you've just said that the place is full of egos and attitudes and characters. 726 00:43:23.845 --> 00:43:29.126 And then on the same time, you've said you can't understand why Rashford and Sancho aren't performing the way they are. 727 00:43:29.146 --> 00:43:31.647 I think you answered the second one with the first one. 728 00:43:34.548 --> 00:43:57.880 I think the issues are themselves that's Sancho's it's missed like the lad can't get a contract I wish I had I wish I had the quality that they had I'll tell you that how much did he get both of them was it about 90 million something like that no idea but something stupid Sancho got both of them yeah it was silly money and now he can't get a contract at any club like that doesn't make sense 729 00:43:58.980 --> 00:44:01.481 Like, that's just... By potential at one point, don't you? 730 00:44:01.501 --> 00:44:08.862 You buy potential, and then when you stop even getting close to looking like you're delivering on potential, then people start realising that... 731 00:44:08.902 --> 00:44:10.783 I know, but he was at Dortmund flying. 732 00:44:10.803 --> 00:44:11.183 Empty, yeah. 733 00:44:11.863 --> 00:44:13.243 He was flying at Dortmund. 734 00:44:13.263 --> 00:44:20.245 He was running stuff, and he was brilliant, and, you know, he was looking good for England at times, and you're just like, where is he gone? 735 00:44:20.945 --> 00:44:21.705 Like, what's that? 736 00:44:21.725 --> 00:44:26.186 I know everyone says, oh, it's too much money too soon, it's ruined, and it's done this. 737 00:44:28.007 --> 00:44:28.507 Ultimately, 738 00:44:30.130 --> 00:44:32.072 The kid's really good at playing football. 739 00:44:32.573 --> 00:44:34.695 He can't have turned bad at playing football. 740 00:44:34.715 --> 00:44:35.936 That just can't happen. 741 00:44:36.176 --> 00:44:37.357 You can't just get bad at playing. 742 00:44:37.377 --> 00:44:40.721 You can't just go from being brilliant to something to being bad at something. 743 00:44:40.761 --> 00:44:41.441 That doesn't exist. 744 00:44:41.481 --> 00:44:42.042 That doesn't happen. 745 00:44:42.282 --> 00:44:44.564 Because you can't undo the amount of work he's put in. 746 00:44:44.925 --> 00:44:45.806 Like, he's spent. 747 00:44:46.186 --> 00:44:47.267 He's done the $10,000. 748 00:44:47.547 --> 00:44:51.371 Everyone knows the routine, the $10,000 to get to where you want to get to and that. 749 00:44:52.072 --> 00:44:53.632 That boy's done the $10,000. 750 00:44:53.672 --> 00:44:54.713 You can't undo them. 751 00:44:54.853 --> 00:44:56.113 So he's got it. 752 00:44:56.213 --> 00:44:59.454 How has no one come to him and gone? 753 00:44:59.534 --> 00:45:00.694 One of a few things, right? 754 00:45:01.394 --> 00:45:08.996 Either he went through a really sort of lucky spell and he was playing well better than he's capable of. 755 00:45:09.316 --> 00:45:11.316 I'm just saying there's one of a few things. 756 00:45:11.876 --> 00:45:20.018 He either went through a spell while everyone was looking at him and it was well better than he actually was and now he's plateaued at his actual level and now everyone's come down. 757 00:45:20.818 --> 00:45:27.204 Or he was at that level and he's just not prepared to work as hard to stay at that level. 758 00:45:27.264 --> 00:45:34.530 Because once you get to that level, you find things easy and you think you're a superstar and you stop working at the same level that got you there, which you need to work at. 759 00:45:35.371 --> 00:45:40.736 As you know, Tone, as a boxer, you work at a certain level to get somewhere. 760 00:45:41.297 --> 00:45:46.741 And then once you get

somewhere, you have to actually work that hard to stay still 761 00:45:47.422 --> 00:45:50.523 And you have to work even harder at that point to get better. 762 00:45:51.044 --> 00:45:55.526 Whereas some people get to that level, think it's going well and then don't try so hard. 763 00:45:56.226 --> 00:46:09.052 So there's that, or there's the other thing, which if you're going to talk about egos and I'm not talking about anyone in particular, but there are people that get to a certain level, think they're a lot better than they are and think they don't have to work and, and, and, and then actually feel it's. 764 00:46:10.212 --> 00:46:13.354 they shouldn't have to work as hard because they're superstars and why do I have to work so hard? 765 00:46:13.414 --> 00:46:18.717 Because I'm already a superstar and I can swan round and they're the most annoying ones. 766 00:46:18.997 --> 00:46:19.898 They're the most annoying ones. 767 00:46:19.938 --> 00:46:20.558 I can't get me here. 768 00:46:20.578 --> 00:46:21.499 Just that Jadon Sancho. 769 00:46:22.059 --> 00:46:26.041 The Rashford one, okay, I get a little bit but he's a brilliant, fantastic player. 770 00:46:26.081 --> 00:46:28.463 I just want to see him do well but the Jadon Sancho one. 771 00:46:29.043 --> 00:46:40.892 that I'm puzzled I'm really lost with that one like he can't get a club like I can't understand why someone hasn't gone I'll have him like why haven't Dortmund come back Would you have him at Everton? 772 00:46:42.786 --> 00:46:43.467 I wouldn't go near him. 773 00:46:43.867 --> 00:46:44.608 There you go. 774 00:46:45.189 --> 00:46:49.455 Already, you're talking about how good he is and I've asked him would you have him more after the US. 775 00:46:49.975 --> 00:46:50.356 In the US. 776 00:46:50.376 --> 00:46:52.919 But it happens more often than you think now. 777 00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:55.623 Dele Alli is another... Not for that much later, Liam. 778 00:46:55.703 --> 00:46:59.908 And all your Dele's injuries and what he's released and what's happened to him and... 779 00:47:00.869 --> 00:47:03.510 And you realise that there's a story behind Dele. 780 00:47:03.550 --> 00:47:05.771 Like, Jadon Sancho was flying, mate. 781 00:47:06.272 --> 00:47:08.473 They might have stories as well, though, mightn't they? 782 00:47:08.493 --> 00:47:14.696 But it's happening more regularly now than what it... Well, maybe they're just the stories are more present. 783 00:47:14.716 --> 00:47:16.337 Yeah, mental health is more on the scene. 784 00:47:16.357 --> 00:47:22.900 How has someone not just sat him down, no one gone, listen here, lad, you're put on this planet to play football. 785 00:47:23.020 --> 00:47:24.080 I've watched you play. 786 00:47:24.140 --> 00:47:25.301 You've got the lot. 787 00:47:26.826 --> 00:47:29.309 Let's do whatever it takes to get your head right. 788 00:47:29.689 --> 00:47:34.897 Whoever gets him could potentially have a £50 million, £60 million player for free. 789

00:47:35.978 --> 00:47:45.882 What I will say is who's been one of the best at finding players that are sort of plateaued and making them stars again? 790 00:47:46.202 --> 00:47:46.783 Unai Emery. 791 00:47:47.223 --> 00:47:50.444 And Unai Emery's had a go at him and couldn't get anything out of him. 792 00:47:51.164 --> 00:47:52.265 He's very good at that. 793 00:47:52.485 --> 00:47:53.145 There comes a point. 794 00:47:53.205 --> 00:47:56.787 Oh, by the way, have you got us so off topic that we've been talking about that for the last... 795 00:47:57.693 --> 00:48:06.050 we didn't even talk we didn't even talk about Brennan Johnson's disallowed goal I did want to ask should that have been disallowed us 796 00:48:07.497 --> 00:48:08.037 I don't know. 797 00:48:09.458 --> 00:48:10.158 I know the laws. 798 00:48:10.878 --> 00:48:12.039 I don't understand why I was. 799 00:48:12.059 --> 00:48:12.979 I can't get my head around it. 800 00:48:12.999 --> 00:48:22.043 So if we go old school, and I don't mean even old school, previous old school, go back a long time ago, offside's offside. 801 00:48:22.543 --> 00:48:25.264 And then you start talking about subjective and you start talking about this. 802 00:48:25.324 --> 00:48:26.745 But he is offside. 803 00:48:26.765 --> 00:48:27.065 He's offside. 804 00:48:27.925 --> 00:48:29.186 when the ball goes forward. 805 00:48:29.446 --> 00:48:36.251 And by the way, everybody hid or forgot the fact that Harrison Armstrong should have just scored that himself. 806 00:48:36.451 --> 00:48:39.333 He's kicked it straight at the guy on the line who can't use his feet. 807 00:48:39.413 --> 00:48:40.193 He can't use his hands. 808 00:48:40.674 --> 00:48:42.875 He hits it straight at the lad who couldn't do anything. 809 00:48:42.895 --> 00:48:44.296 He hits it a yard either side. 810 00:48:44.897 --> 00:48:45.257 It's a goal. 811 00:48:45.277 --> 00:48:47.138 He had the whole goal to aim for. 812 00:48:47.158 --> 00:48:50.040 But anyway, Harrison misses, hits the guy. 813 00:48:50.520 --> 00:48:52.302 And in that moment, Brennan Johnson's offside. 814 00:48:52.322 --> 00:48:55.103 So then as it comes back, you then think, now he's active in play. 815 00:48:56.324 --> 00:48:56.945 He's offside. 816 00:48:56.965 --> 00:48:57.085 Yeah. 817 00:48:57.617 --> 00:49:06.101 But how many times have we seen that if a defender goes to actually physically clear the ball, it makes everyone else now onside? 818 00:49:07.042 --> 00:49:09.063 And the left back went to clear it and kick it out. 819 00:49:09.783 --> 00:49:11.164 And Brennan Johnson blocked it. 820 00:49:12.304 --> 00:49:13.845 And it was a clear action to kick the ball. 821 00:49:14.185 --> 00:49:17.867 So, yeah, I was unsure how I felt about that one. 822 00:49:18.909 --> 00:49:20.390 I'm genuinely still lost with him. 823 00:49:20.670 --> 00:49:22.331 At first meet I thought, no, it is offside. 824 00:49:22.351 --> 00:49:23.231 We can't argue about it. 825 00:49:23.271

--> 00:49:23.871 It's offside. 826 00:49:24.532 --> 00:49:27.813 But I bet we see something similar in the rest of the season where you go, hang on. 827 00:49:27.853 --> 00:49:29.034 I was similar to Arsenal. 828 00:49:29.054 --> 00:49:32.596 Isn't it crazy that we've got subjective offsides in the game now? 829 00:49:33.176 --> 00:49:35.077 Would that frustrate you as a player, Ozzy? 830 00:49:35.657 --> 00:49:36.278 If that was the rule. 831 00:49:37.358 --> 00:49:46.504 No, we had subjective offsides when I played in terms of a man ran offside and now he's walking back and now another lad runs through. 832 00:49:46.524 --> 00:49:55.531 It was a different kind of subjective, but way ago, like the 60s, 70s, if anyone was offside in any part of the attack, it was stopped. 833 00:49:55.991 --> 00:50:00.634 We then got to the point where if a guy ran down the right and he's way out of it, he's not interfering with play. 834 00:50:00.874 --> 00:50:02.935 That's where subjective starts to come in. 835 00:50:03.555 --> 00:50:05.356 And then it creeps in and becomes bigger and bigger. 836 00:50:05.376 --> 00:50:07.097 So I've experienced a bit of it. 837 00:50:07.838 --> 00:50:09.559 It is part of the game. 838 00:50:09.579 --> 00:50:11.000 You want it because it brings more goals. 839 00:50:12.881 --> 00:50:15.582 And it's for players, for people that aren't interfering. 840 00:50:16.042 --> 00:50:17.763 When you have a striker goal and... 841 00:50:19.024 --> 00:50:22.486 a player is in an offside position, but he's not quite in the line of the keeper. 842 00:50:22.546 --> 00:50:25.128 We don't want to disallow those goals. 843 00:50:25.268 --> 00:50:31.632 So it's all different varying degrees of subjective offsides, but they are all offside. 844 00:50:32.532 --> 00:50:40.377 But on that one, if it had stood, I could have made an argument for the standing, is kind of what I'm saying. 845 00:50:40.437 --> 00:50:44.339 But I'm not surprised that it didn't, if you know what I mean. 846 00:50:45.120 --> 00:50:45.900 But it was a messy one. 847 00:50:46.561 --> 00:50:47.201 Doesn't matter. 848 00:50:47.221 --> 00:50:48.522 It's everything, so you're not getting it. 849 00:50:52.494 --> 00:51:09.875 the other one question I wanted to ask you about that game was obviously Jake O'Brien didn't start and Michael Keane was put in a few conversations around him off the back of the match would you be frustrated if you were Jake O'Brien not getting a look in in that starting 11 at this point 850 00:51:12.596 --> 00:51:24.406 Yes, because you're young and you're an international and you probably feel, every player feels they should be playing at all times. 851 00:51:26.588 --> 00:51:33.373 And especially, his argument to me should be that I played out of position for you and for the team last season. 852 00:51:33.413 --> 00:51:35.775 Now I need to, when the chances come, I need a chance in the middle. 853 00:51:36.496 --> 00:51:40.840 But then Michael Keane will say, I was outstanding at centre-half last season. 854 00:51:41.560 --> 00:51:46.447 And now I'm not even playing because Jake and Taki have cemented their positions. 855 00:51:46.548 --> 00:51:49.492 So if anyone's going to be first in the team, surely it's me. 856 00:51:49.512 --> 00:51:50.614 I was brilliant in that position. 857 00:51:51.746 --> 00:51:56.029 So it's, well, if we're going to use the term, it's subjective for Moisey. 858 00:51:56.589 --> 00:52:00.932 Whoever he wants to pick, he gets to choose in that moment. 859 00:52:01.572 --> 00:52:05.134 It's no surprise that we finished with all four of them on the pitch, though. 860 00:52:06.375 --> 00:52:10.097 Because of the way the game went, because Maitland now has made that mistake. 861 00:52:10.117 --> 00:52:12.679 I was not surprised to see him get hooked. 862 00:52:13.799 --> 00:52:14.020 Yeah. 863 00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:15.960 And our bench looked okay. 864 00:52:16.080 --> 00:52:26.823 I know we didn't have a, you know, that striker and Alcaraz came on up front, but, you know, not quite gone, but, you know, the days when you're looking to your bench and you're thinking, who have we got? 865 00:52:26.843 --> 00:52:28.903 Suddenly we're bringing Hackney on in the middle. 866 00:52:29.043 --> 00:52:32.564 We're bringing Diblin on on one side, Tariq George on on the other. 867 00:52:32.584 --> 00:52:37.365 We're bringing, we've got Alcaraz who, he's like a one in three player. 868 00:52:37.385 --> 00:52:40.286 He can be great for a week and then he'll have a couple of down weeks. 869 00:52:40.306 --> 00:52:41.847 We've got centre-halves to bring on. 870 00:52:42.707 --> 00:52:43.227 Yeah, so, 871 00:52:44.849 --> 00:52:47.970 If we get to January, I'm all expecting us to sign players. 872 00:52:48.330 --> 00:52:56.793 If we get to January, then there is an opportunity for us to actually bulk the squad up in the strike, I think. 873 00:52:56.833 --> 00:52:59.693 But who are we going to be owned by in January? 874 00:53:00.334 --> 00:53:01.614 There's a question for you, Tony. 875 00:53:01.834 --> 00:53:02.354 Oh, wow. 876 00:53:03.415 --> 00:53:10.337 I mean, I was really optimistic with the Freetland group and I'm not going to lie, I still am. 877 00:53:10.637 --> 00:53:11.577 I still think they'll, 878 00:53:13.109 --> 00:53:14.151 I think they'll give us a go. 879 00:53:14.673 --> 00:53:16.557 I just... Do you know what? 880 00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:18.241 I just think it's tough for them. 881 00:53:18.402 --> 00:53:21.209 I'm not sure they quite knew the full... 882 00:53:23.084 --> 00:53:23.845 The full... 883 00:53:24.145 --> 00:53:26.747 It's quite clear they didn't know the full story when they took us on. 884 00:53:27.367 --> 00:53:30.730 And they haven't realised the mess that's been caused over the last decade. 885 00:53:31.090 --> 00:53:31.851 And that's what it's done. 886 00:53:32.071 --> 00:53:32.811 That's what it is. 887 00:53:32.851 --> 00:53:37.315 The last decade

has been an absolute... Don't swear, don't swear. 888 00:53:37.335 --> 00:53:39.716 It has been an absolute mess. 889 00:53:41.298 --> 00:53:43.239 An absolute joke. 890 00:53:43.259 --> 00:53:46.201 You can't run a football club where we've been around for the last 10 years. 891 00:53:47.042 --> 00:53:47.802 It's not good. 892 00:53:47.842 --> 00:53:50.424 I thought you'd thought, and I'd thought, that they'd come in... 893 00:53:51.665 --> 00:53:58.888 Um, paid off the debts, sorted the stadium out, got the club in a great position and it was going to be all systems go out. 894 00:53:59.668 --> 00:54:01.529 I'm not exactly sure what's happened to change. 895 00:54:01.549 --> 00:54:09.532 I mean, one of my mates put on the, um, put on, on our little, one of our WhatsApp groups about with a, with a bunch of Ebertonians. 896 00:54:09.752 --> 00:54:11.992 Oh my God, called Dion Dublin and Holmes and the hammer. 897 00:54:12.293 --> 00:54:13.213 They bloody flipped us. 898 00:54:13.673 --> 00:54:14.793 They're trying to bloody flip us. 899 00:54:16.815 --> 00:54:17.936 Do you know if they do? 900 00:54:18.216 --> 00:54:19.558 I'm laughing myself at that one. 901 00:54:19.918 --> 00:54:23.582 I just don't know what's happening. 902 00:54:23.723 --> 00:54:24.964 I'd like them to let me know. 903 00:54:25.405 --> 00:54:28.889 If they are flipping us right, I am so grateful to them. 904 00:54:29.647 --> 00:54:32.229 They've got the value of the club commercial. 905 00:54:32.369 --> 00:54:40.795 If they are flipping us or whatever it is, I'm so grateful to them for the simple reason of it was them or 777. 906 00:54:41.715 --> 00:54:47.119 And if that 777 would have got all of us, mate, have you seen what's happened to that company recently? 907 00:54:47.219 --> 00:54:48.260 It's all over the place. 908 00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:53.163 There's all kinds of fellas doing all kinds of mad things, people on charges, all kinds of stuff. 909 00:54:54.103 --> 00:55:20.098 Everton Football Club could have been no more if we'd have fell into their hands and make no mistakes you know who wants to sell us to them who try to sell us to them so you know be very very careful what you wish for these are a solid consortium they know football they've owned other football clubs that are very good business I get they're not in the game to lose money and they probably looked at it and thought now 910 00:55:21.932 --> 00:55:27.874 We thought we'd be able to sell off a few assets, get a few different ones in, save a bit of money, make a bit of money even. 911 00:55:28.354 --> 00:55:37.978 But I think they've realised now with a fan base like ours and as loud and as passionate as ours that it's not really going to go that way. 912 00:55:38.018 --> 00:55:40.639 You're not going to be selling some of our assets. 913 00:55:40.659 --> 00:55:45.080 You're not going to be selling some of our... Because we just don't want that and it can't happen. 914 00:55:45.100 --> 00:55:46.320 I think they've just realised. 915 00:55:47.941 --> 00:55:48.981 I'm very grateful. 916 00:55:49.962 --> 00:56:00.725 I can't, oh, excuse me, I can't, I can't say I'm not because if we'd have fell into the wrong hands, lads, I think Everton Football Club could have been gone for good and that, I can't, that just cannot happen. 917 00:56:00.825 --> 00:56:07.787 Oh, yeah, I mean, I was, you know, joking around with regards to the, the flipping up here before. 918 00:56:07.807 --> 00:56:09.408 Of course, but there's nothing wrong with it. 919 00:56:09.468 --> 00:56:10.868 If they do, there's nothing wrong with that. 920 00:56:12.678 --> 00:56:24.607 There was a thought that this was going to be long-term, and then it came up, there was rumours that it was going to be a small portion, and then now it's a controlling portion, so they still want to remain a part of. 921 00:56:25.307 --> 00:56:38.657 Again, I'm unsure, but I will say that to you, Tone, that we could have been in a lot worse hands for this period, or we could have been in no hands. 922 00:56:39.258 --> 00:56:39.498 Yeah. 923 00:56:40.158 --> 00:56:47.666 So, yeah, it's... Yeah, I mean, you don't want them to actually take any profit. 924 00:56:47.686 --> 00:56:51.490 The club might be able to take future and to make a bit of business out of it all like myself. 925 00:56:51.530 --> 00:56:51.770 But... 926 00:56:52.897 --> 00:56:53.818 you've got no problem. 927 00:56:53.978 --> 00:57:05.486 Businessmen are businessmen and businessmen see opportunity and, you know, as long as they don't, as long as the club has still got something worth being, you know, carrying on then. 928 00:57:06.506 --> 00:57:06.686 Yeah. 929 00:57:06.987 --> 00:57:08.027 I think either way we're fine. 930 00:57:08.067 --> 00:57:10.229 I don't say you take your hat off to them, but you say, well... 931 00:57:11.279 --> 00:57:12.019 Okay, no problem. 932 00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:20.882 We would have liked more commitment, but if they can't do it for business purposes, then I think we are a club that people would see as an opportunity to buy into. 933 00:57:20.902 --> 00:57:21.942 We've got the stadium now. 934 00:57:22.582 --> 00:57:24.863 The team is looking a lot more stable. 935 00:57:25.123 --> 00:57:27.164 We are a massive sleeping giant. 936 00:57:27.404 --> 00:57:27.884 Yes. 937 00:57:27.924 --> 00:57:33.586 Someone can bring us a little bit of success again and someone could help us get over the line. 938 00:57:33.686 --> 00:57:34.306 Maybe it's this. 939 00:57:34.366 --> 00:57:35.226 Maybe it's this season. 940 00:57:35.246 --> 00:57:36.786 I don't know with regards to silverware. 941 00:57:36.987 --> 00:57:37.547 Could you imagine? 942 00:57:37.567 --> 00:57:38.187 Start the train... 943 00:57:38.787 --> 00:57:41.730 start the train of us, you know, picking up silverware. 944 00:57:41.750 --> 00:57:56.724 This, just, we all know the reach this football club has got around the world at the minute without having

had any success for 30 odd years and, you know, having success before that. 945 00:57:56.904 --> 00:57:59.547 Imagine the new fans that we could get. 946 00:57:59.587 --> 00:58:01.949 They're generationally ready to go. 947 00:58:01.969 --> 00:58:02.550 Mm-hmm. 948 00:58:02.870 --> 00:58:11.578 we're a sleeping giant we could get our revenue through the roof in no time could you imagine everton bringing and winning the selfie david moyes winning the selfie and 949 00:58:12.176 --> 00:58:14.137 And them holding a trophy at Hill Dickens. 950 00:58:14.177 --> 00:58:20.158 It'd just be... You think you've seen something with the other side doing parades and stuff like that. 951 00:58:20.539 --> 00:58:23.519 The whole city would just be blue. 952 00:58:24.300 --> 00:58:25.880 And I'm not joking. 953 00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:28.161 Like, everything would just be blue. 954 00:58:29.201 --> 00:58:31.882 It would be the craziest parade. 955 00:58:31.922 --> 00:58:33.743 And I'm not talking about European Cups. 956 00:58:33.803 --> 00:58:35.203 I'm talking any cup. 957 00:58:36.401 --> 00:58:45.904 Any cup, you bring us the league, any cup, and I'm telling you now, this city will see a party like it's never seen before. 958 00:58:46.344 --> 00:58:50.086 Because there's people who've been starved for 30 years, mate. 959 00:58:50.106 --> 00:58:54.227 30, well, 31 years to be exact. 960 00:58:55.647 --> 00:59:00.249 So, you know, but... Well, we're still in the league cup, cup of the year. 961 00:59:01.242 --> 00:59:02.903 We've got to win at some point, haven't we? 962 00:59:02.923 --> 00:59:05.904 We've never won it before, so we need to do it at one time at least. 963 00:59:06.405 --> 00:59:07.045 Why not? 964 00:59:07.866 --> 00:59:14.669 Wouldn't that be a nice way to leave, a nice way to exit? 965 00:59:14.889 --> 00:59:16.690 Part and gift. 966 00:59:16.750 --> 00:59:17.831 Helping with the transition. 967 00:59:18.731 --> 00:59:20.452 I'm grateful to them. 968 00:59:20.472 --> 00:59:25.655 Clearing the debts and leaving us, having lifted the trophy. 969 00:59:25.675 --> 00:59:26.836 I'm sure they'd like it. 970 00:59:26.876 --> 00:59:28.276 Anyone business like it. 971 00:59:28.336 --> 00:59:29.057 It would add value. 972 00:59:29.897 --> 00:59:31.818 You've got to understand that these are businessmen. 973 00:59:32.179 --> 00:59:36.041 These are businessmen and no businessman goes into business to lose money. 974 00:59:37.522 --> 00:59:41.445 What we've got to take on board and understand is these guys aren't Evertonians. 975 00:59:41.525 --> 00:59:42.826 These guys aren't Scousers. 976 00:59:42.866 --> 00:59:45.848 These guys don't absolutely love and adore Everton Football Club. 977 00:59:46.288 --> 00:59:47.809 They've seen an opportunity here. 978 00:59:48.830 --> 00:59:50.271 and they've took it with both hands. 979 00:59:50.411 --> 00:59:57.496 And like I said before, I'm just happy a consortium and a business as reliable as theirs took us. 980 00:59:58.357 --> 01:00:05.242 Because had we have fallen into the wrong hands, like I said before, guys, there would be no more Everton Football Club. 981 01:00:06.703 --> 01:00:07.724 They won't want to leave badly. 982 01:00:08.384 --> 01:00:11.686 Very quickly, got Chelsea coming up on the weekend. 983 01:00:11.726 --> 01:00:13.407 Half 12 kick-off. 984 01:00:13.467 --> 01:00:13.907 Big game. 985 01:00:14.387 --> 01:00:14.868 Big game. 986 01:00:15.708 --> 01:00:19.090 Chelsea obviously won 5-1 against Bournemouth, just gone. 987 01:00:19.810 --> 01:00:20.851 What are we thinking? 988 01:00:21.051 --> 01:00:24.793 Do you think we're looking for a draw? 989 01:00:24.833 --> 01:00:25.813 Are we looking for three points? 990 01:00:25.893 --> 01:00:26.534 Is that home? 991 01:00:26.954 --> 01:00:28.035 I'll go see Yossi first. 992 01:00:31.016 --> 01:00:32.417 I'm looking for three points. 993 01:00:32.437 --> 01:00:32.797 Yes. 994 01:00:33.986 --> 01:00:39.291 I think a draw would be okay, but I wouldn't say it'd be a good... 995 01:00:39.391 --> 01:00:41.993 I mean, I always say it always depends how the game goes. 996 01:00:42.053 --> 01:00:44.455 It depends how people play, tactically, how you set up. 997 01:00:44.836 --> 01:00:51.241 You always know at the end of the game whether it's a good point or a bad point or a winner, but going before the game, it'd be an okay draw. 998 01:00:52.022 --> 01:00:55.164 But I think it could be a stellar win. 999 01:00:55.204 --> 01:01:00.248 It could be a season, you know, kick us right back off again, beating one of the bigger teams. 1000 01:01:01.329 --> 01:01:03.651 And we're reasonably good defensively. 1001 01:01:03.711 --> 01:01:05.252 Their strength is at the top end of the pitch. 1002 01:01:05.432 --> 01:01:06.653 We're decent defensively. 1003 01:01:07.834 --> 01:01:09.115 And they are... 1004 01:01:12.243 --> 01:01:12.723 Not weak. 1005 01:01:13.043 --> 01:01:18.004 I mean, Jordan Henderson's come into the middle of the pitch with Kaiseido to try and... Oh, I did him again. 1006 01:01:18.024 --> 01:01:22.345 To try and... To be fair, it's only the most stiff you gave him. 1007 01:01:22.465 --> 01:01:27.146 Jordan Henderson's just had the best week of his career, Tom, because you said he was rubbish. 1008 01:01:27.166 --> 01:01:28.707 He scored two and got assists. 1009 01:01:28.767 --> 01:01:30.327 He's had all whoopied do. 1010 01:01:30.367 --> 01:01:33.028 He's had a couple of good minutes on the pitch. 1011 01:01:33.068 --> 01:01:33.768 You jinxed us. 1012 01:01:34.668 --> 01:01:38.209 But what I'm saying is, they've had to bring Jordan Henderson in. 1013 01:01:38.990 --> 01:01:45.692 Jordan Henderson alongside Caicedo to help them stop conceding goals because they're conceding that many. 1014 01:01:45.953 --> 01:01:47.133 Conceding goals are fun. 1015 01:01:47.233 --> 01:01:47.513 He's 105. 1016 01:01:47.613 --> 01:01:48.093 He's 105. 1017 01:01:52.435 --> 01:01:55.999 Yeah, like, oh my God.

1018 01:01:56.539 --> 01:01:57.280 You've got to give it to him. 1019 01:01:57.300 --> 01:01:59.762 He scored two good goals on the weekend. 1020 01:01:59.802 --> 01:02:04.726 Oh, he's only played about 500 in a game, Premier League games, and he scored two good goals in one game. 1021 01:02:04.786 --> 01:02:05.227 Ooh! 1022 01:02:07.090 --> 01:02:08.231 I'll play 500 Premier League games. 1023 01:02:08.351 --> 01:02:11.672 I think it was his first ever Premier League free kick he scored. 1024 01:02:12.313 --> 01:02:12.793 Oh, my. 1025 01:02:13.133 --> 01:02:13.473 Was he? 1026 01:02:14.434 --> 01:02:15.174 Oh, my Lord. 1027 01:02:15.794 --> 01:02:16.575 Oh, my Lord. 1028 01:02:16.695 --> 01:02:18.636 Sweet baby cheese and the orphans. 1029 01:02:19.156 --> 01:02:20.717 And the orphans. 1030 01:02:20.777 --> 01:02:23.278 Oh, let's put him on for the Ballon d'Or. 1031 01:02:23.779 --> 01:02:24.859 Let's put him on for the Ballon d'Or. 1032 01:02:26.120 --> 01:02:27.761 Scored two goals. 1033 01:02:27.801 --> 01:02:31.623 But you can generally get out Chelsea, was my point to start it all anyway. 1034 01:02:31.683 --> 01:02:33.003 I expect to get out of him. 1035 01:02:33.023 --> 01:02:34.564 He's 105 and can't move really well. 1036 01:02:34.904 --> 01:02:35.745 And he's got one arm. 1037 01:02:36.497 --> 01:02:38.038 I'm talking about Chelsea in general. 1038 01:02:38.058 --> 01:02:40.819 They brought him in to try and help them defend better. 1039 01:02:40.839 --> 01:02:43.159 They brought him in because he's a coach. 1040 01:02:43.540 --> 01:02:44.400 That's what he is now. 1041 01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:45.120 He's a coach. 1042 01:02:45.580 --> 01:02:47.801 And that's why he went to the World Cup, because he's a coach. 1043 01:02:48.281 --> 01:02:49.542 He's no longer a footballer. 1044 01:02:49.562 --> 01:02:50.162 He's a coach. 1045 01:02:51.983 --> 01:02:53.224 Warn me up, them copites. 1046 01:02:53.364 --> 01:02:54.745 He's not even a copite anymore. 1047 01:02:54.765 --> 01:02:56.105 That's what annoys me the most. 1048 01:02:56.866 --> 01:02:57.286 Did you see? 1049 01:02:57.306 --> 01:02:59.167 It shows you the loyalty he has, doesn't it? 1050 01:02:59.187 --> 01:03:01.208 He's gone to the rivals of them, kissing. 1051 01:03:01.288 --> 01:03:02.409 Do you know what he was doing with the badge? 1052 01:03:02.849 --> 01:03:03.290 Oh, my Lord. 1053 01:03:03.310 --> 01:03:06.932 I was just about to say, I'm pretty sure I saw him kissing the Chelsea badge as well. 1054 01:03:07.212 --> 01:03:08.973 Oh, you're getting over the badge with all this. 1055 01:03:08.993 --> 01:03:09.153 Go on. 1056 01:03:09.233 --> 01:03:10.574 Warn me up. 1057 01:03:10.614 --> 01:03:11.234 Oh, my Lord. 1058 01:03:12.535 --> 01:03:14.836 Oh, I love all that, don't you? 1059 01:03:15.316 --> 01:03:15.997 These people. 1060 01:03:16.257 --> 01:03:17.017 I mean, you know what? 1061 01:03:17.858 --> 01:03:19.899 You've got a Chelsea... Captain of Liverpool Football Club. 1062 01:03:19.959 --> 01:03:21.000 Is he captain of Chelsea yet? 1063 01:03:22.288 --> 01:03:44.283 not yet Reece James was captain but he's not played that'll be in testimony trying to win at Anfield they'll cheer him but we got at Chelsea last year and we won three it was a great result yeah it was a good game and I know they've got I know they've got Rodgers and I know they made another couple of signings now and you know there'll be a threat going forward but they've had very mixed results 1064 01:03:45.143 --> 01:03:55.146 And if we can make it intense like we did last year, if we can make them a little bit weary and we can get, we can play at pace and get at them, we could definitely win this game. 1065 01:03:55.166 --> 01:03:55.407 And I... 1066 01:03:56.886 --> 01:04:00.528 I'm not expecting us to, but I'm going there with hope that we will. 1067 01:04:01.169 --> 01:04:02.529 All about the first goal for me. 1068 01:04:03.510 --> 01:04:04.631 All about the first goal. 1069 01:04:05.191 --> 01:04:06.552 We scored first, I think we win. 1070 01:04:07.232 --> 01:04:08.353 We concede first. 1071 01:04:09.493 --> 01:04:10.574 I don't like it. 1072 01:04:10.634 --> 01:04:12.055 I think there'll be chances both ends. 1073 01:04:12.275 --> 01:04:14.656 If they score first, they're going for the throat. 1074 01:04:14.876 --> 01:04:16.858 And they've got players who can really get it in here. 1075 01:04:16.878 --> 01:04:20.260 You meet that Cole Palmer and Morgan Rodgers. 1076 01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:21.740 They're good on the counter-attack. 1077 01:04:22.061 --> 01:04:23.341 They're very good on the counter-attacks. 1078 01:04:23.361 --> 01:04:25.763 That's why the first goal is important, like you said, Tone. 1079 01:04:27.223 --> 01:04:48.748 very important just give me points again yeah I'm saying you know your football that's why that's why we're here I'm trying I'm trying how do you think we're going to get on go on Tony I'll take a draw now mate I'm not going to lie to anyone we've changed don't we from last week yeah I have mate I'll take a draw right now I'll take it happily I think we're going to beat them I genuinely do 1080 01:04:50.403 --> 01:04:56.666 I think sometimes when teams like a Chelsea stat chick come to Earl Dickinson, Everton raise the game. 1081 01:04:57.046 --> 01:04:58.267 I hope so. 1082 01:04:58.327 --> 01:05:00.848 I could genuinely see like a 2-1, 3-1. 1083 01:05:02.809 --> 01:05:04.610 I'm going 3-1 through us. 1084 01:05:06.671 --> 01:05:08.372 I would feel a lot better, weirdly. 1085 01:05:09.458 --> 01:05:19.105 if this was a 5.30 kickoff, not because I don't, not because I prefer 5.30 kickoffs, but we're now getting, we're still, we're now getting to that point where it's starting to get darker. 1086 01:05:19.285 --> 01:05:22.647 And I always think it's more intense when you play under the light. 1087 01:05:22.667 --> 01:05:22.847 Is it us? 1088 01:05:23.668 --> 01:05:24.889 Yeah, I always find it, yeah. 1089 01:05:25.329 --> 01:05:28.011 I always find it a little bit more enclosing. 1090 01:05:28.111 --> 01:05:29.852 Things seem a little bit closer. 1091 01:05:31.173 --> 01:05:31.353 Um, 1092 01:05:32.513 --> 01:05:35.756 I think when you play a little bit earlier, it's, it's dead bright. 1093 01:05:35.776 --> 01:05:39.860 Everything seems, I always felt like the pitch was five yards bigger in the daylight. 1094 01:05:40.100 --> 01:05:42.663 And I always felt it was a little bit five yards smaller. 1095 01:05:42.683 --> 01:05:48.268 Now that is obviously just perception because the pitch, because the pitch doesn't change size. 1096 01:05:48.308 --> 01:05:48.408 Um, 1097 01:05:50.708 --> 01:05:53.031 But that's the way it's sort of felt. 1098 01:05:53.631 --> 01:05:56.374 And if that's the way it feels, then that's sort of the way your mind plays it. 1099 01:05:57.235 --> 01:06:00.299 So, yeah, I would rather they came feeling the pitch was a bit smaller. 1100 01:06:00.759 --> 01:06:01.800 We're more intimidating. 1101 01:06:01.820 --> 01:06:02.781 We can get closer to them. 1102 01:06:04.131 --> 01:06:06.272 but I do still think we'll make a good game. 1103 01:06:06.292 --> 01:06:07.312 Hopefully we'll make it intense. 1104 01:06:07.532 --> 01:06:16.274 As I say, what we need is, and we need every single week, three of our players to have really top games, especially in one of these moments. 1105 01:06:17.074 --> 01:06:18.815 We'd relied on Dewsbury Hall for a long time. 1106 01:06:18.835 --> 01:06:21.955 He had a little bit of a dip, came back second half, a couple of goals. 1107 01:06:22.855 --> 01:06:26.416 Grealish needs to step up now and show us why he's back, that kind of thing. 1108 01:06:26.616 --> 01:06:29.097 We need a performance from him. 1109 01:06:29.897 --> 01:06:32.358 Brennan Johnson, if he plays, which I think he will 1110 01:06:34.159 --> 01:06:35.620 we definitely need a performance from him. 1111 01:06:35.640 --> 01:06:38.583 He's not really shown us enough yet. 1112 01:06:39.484 --> 01:06:45.710 So, yeah, I think if we get a couple of those performing at top level, I think we win.