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INTRO: Welcome to the NSPCC Learning Podcast, where
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INTRO: we share learning and expertise in child
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INTRO: protection from inside and outside of the
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INTRO: We aim to create debate, encourage reflection and
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INTRO: share good practise on how we can all work
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JENNIFER DIXON: Hello and welcome to this NSPCC Learning
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JENNIFER DIXON: podcast on emotional resilience.
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JENNIFER DIXON: My name is Jennifer Dixon and I'm the
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JENNIFER DIXON: team manager in the Scotland Hub.
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JENNIFER DIXON: I'm going to introduce two of my
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JENNIFER DIXON: colleagues who are joining me today, Jo
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JENNIFER DIXON: and Prajapa.
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JO GRACE: My name is Jo Grace and I'm a children's
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JO GRACE: services practitioner with the NSPCC coming
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JO GRACE: up almost 15 years.
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: Hello, I'm Prajapa Seneviratne and
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: I'm the Research and Evaluation
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: Officer at NSPCC in Scotland.
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JENNIFER DIXON: Thank you both for joining me today.
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JENNIFER DIXON: I'm going to facilitate some of the
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JENNIFER DIXON: questions and ask you both to talk about
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JENNIFER DIXON: one of the projects we all worked on in
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JENNIFER DIXON: Govan, but also to talk a bit more about
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JENNIFER DIXON: emotional resilience itself.
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JENNIFER DIXON: So first of all, Jo, to you, can you tell
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JENNIFER DIXON: me a bit about what is emotional
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JENNIFER DIXON: resilience to start with?
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JO GRACE: So I think probably the easiest way to start is
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JO GRACE: almost by giving a definition of what emotional
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JO GRACE: resilience is.
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JO GRACE: The main one that we used originated from
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JO GRACE: the Harvard Centre for the Developing Child
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JO GRACE: and they define resilience as having
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JO GRACE: the right support to cope,
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JO GRACE: adapt and thrive in spite of adverse
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JO GRACE: life experiences.
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JO GRACE: It's key for managing stress, navigating
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JO GRACE: transitions and change, and maintaining healthy
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JO GRACE: mental wellbeing.
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JO GRACE: Why is emotional resilience important?
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JO GRACE: It's a massive life skill.
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JO GRACE: It's something that we have to learn.
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JO GRACE: So our parents will often be
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JO GRACE: our first teachers as models
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JO GRACE: of emotional resilience and emotional
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JO GRACE: intelligence.
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JO GRACE: Positive experiences, along with learning
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JO GRACE: self care practices and building trusting
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JO GRACE: relationships for children, act
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JO GRACE: as protective factors that help build
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JO GRACE: strength and the ability to cope.
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JO GRACE: So whilst it's important to start developing
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JO GRACE: emotional resilience from early childhood,
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JO GRACE: resilience is an evolving process and it
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JO GRACE: continues to develop throughout our lives.
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JO GRACE: It's finding the mental and the emotional
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JO GRACE: strength, and the support from others around
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JO GRACE: you, to be able to pick yourself up and
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JO GRACE: kind of keep going and cope in the face of
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JO GRACE: whatever the adversity is.
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JENNIFER DIXON: Do you think you could tell me a bit
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JENNIFER DIXON: about the emotional resilience programme
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JENNIFER DIXON: in Govan that we developed?
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JO GRACE: Sure, so the actual emotional resilience
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JO GRACE: programme came about as
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JO GRACE: a result of the consequences of the COVID
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JO GRACE: pandemic. When we returned to
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JO GRACE: being in work, loosely in 2021
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JO GRACE: and then into 2022, there were seven
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JO GRACE: primary schools in Govan — and we had really
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JO GRACE: good connections with them anyway prior to
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of them contacted us
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JO GRACE: to let us know that transition
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JO GRACE: back to in-person education after
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JO GRACE: the COVID pandemic was really significantly
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JO GRACE: impacting the children.
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JO GRACE: Their emotional and social connections had been
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JO GRACE: massively impacted by the lockdown and
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JO GRACE: actually many of the children were carrying
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JO GRACE: grief and loss that were unsupported, whether
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JO GRACE: that was through direct bereavement
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JO GRACE: of family members both locally or
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JO GRACE: around the world.
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JO GRACE: But also huge losses in terms of socialising
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JO GRACE: and friendships and activities and the things
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JO GRACE: that they did during, you know, after school
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JO GRACE: and all those kind of things, because
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JO GRACE: The schools felt that the children needed a
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JO GRACE: safe space and some conversations to learn how
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JO GRACE: to manage their feelings in order to be able to
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JO GRACE: focus on their learning.
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JO GRACE: So, the schools asked us if there was anything
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JO GRACE: that we could do to try and support that.
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JO GRACE: As a team, we all worked together in
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JO GRACE: consultation and in co-creation with the
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JO GRACE: schools to develop the emotional resilience
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JO GRACE: programme.
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JO GRACE: The aim of the programme was to build
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JO GRACE: resilience in the children through developing
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JO GRACE: their emotional awareness,
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JO GRACE: their emotional language, their emotional
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JO GRACE: intelligence.
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JO GRACE: So this included things like being able to
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JO GRACE: recognise and name their feelings, developing
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JO GRACE: empathy towards others, to know the importance
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JO GRACE: of being able to identify a trusted, safe,
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JO GRACE: also to know how to take care of themselves and
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JO GRACE: their own mental health, as well as that of
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JO GRACE: their friends and being supportive to their
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JO GRACE: friends. We developed this five-week programme.
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JO GRACE: The sessions were 60 minutes in duration
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JO GRACE: that we ran over five weeks.
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JO GRACE: It was facilitated by two workers
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JO GRACE: in each group alongside the class
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JO GRACE: We held planning meetings before the
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JO GRACE: sessions in order to make sure that we
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JO GRACE: understood what the needs of the children in
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JO GRACE: And we held post-planning debriefs
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JO GRACE: with the teaching staff in order to review and
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JO GRACE: assess how the programme had gone and the
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JO GRACE: benefits that the teachers were seeing or
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JO GRACE: hearing from the children.
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JO GRACE: Ultimately by 2024,
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JO GRACE: we had delivered the programme to just under
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JO GRACE: 800 children in the Govan area, which
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JO GRACE: was quite incredible.
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JENNIFER DIXON: Thank you, Jo. Next question will be, and
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JENNIFER DIXON: I'm gonna ask both of you this question.
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JENNIFER DIXON: So, Jo, from a practice point of view,
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JENNIFER DIXON: Prajapa, from the evaluation point of
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JENNIFER DIXON: view, what were the benefits of the
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JO GRACE: Schools really welcomed the emotional facility
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JO GRACE: programme as a really valuable opportunity to
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JO GRACE: An awful lot of the teachers had said that they
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JO GRACE: felt a little bit de-skilled in knowing how to
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JO GRACE: of 30 or 33 children in the class who
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JO GRACE: The teachers were struggling how to know to
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JO GRACE: meet all those needs consistently.
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JO GRACE: So by bringing the programme into the class and
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JO GRACE: really keeping the teachers as a core part of
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JO GRACE: in their abilities to connect with the
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JO GRACE: that many of the children had faced significant
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JO GRACE: challenges, not just the bereavement that I
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JO GRACE: Govan is an incredibly diverse community,
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JO GRACE: so there are lots and lots of different
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JO GRACE: languages and cultures.
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JO GRACE: In one of the schools that we worked in, they
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JO GRACE: The feedback that we got from the children was
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JO GRACE: really powerful in terms of— we would
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JO GRACE: do a safety plan at the end of the programme
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JO GRACE: and we would say to them can you name
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JO GRACE: know that you can approach? And actually time
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JO GRACE: and time again the names of the NSPCC
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JO GRACE: space but also within the school we created
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JO GRACE: a wider safe space and they knew that lots of
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JO GRACE: the teachers were involved in emotional
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JO GRACE: resilience and they could go to their
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JO GRACE: teachers or their wider community for support.
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JENNIFER DIXON: So on question two, Prajapa, from an
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JENNIFER DIXON: benefits of the programme?
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: Yes, so in 2024,
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: the NSPCC research team evaluated
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: the emotional resilience programme.
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: I must say it was a real privilege
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: to understand more about the
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: the children who participated.
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: Through the evaluation, we found
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: that the emotional resilience
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: programme has clear benefits for
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: children and the schools.
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: The children told us that they had
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: learned how to identify different
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: feelings and were able to recognise
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: the emotions of others and to show
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: compassion and be kind to each
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: other. Many children had learned and
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: practised self-care techniques to
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: manage their emotions, such as deep
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: breathing and taking time out when
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: had even shared these techniques
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: they were practising this at home.
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: The evaluation also found that
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: improving children's awareness of
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: emotional resilience within a
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: supportive school environment can
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: give the children the confidence and
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: the feelings of safety and comfort
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JENNIFER DIXON: Thanks, Pajapa.
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JENNIFER DIXON: Thinking about the adversity that some of
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JO GRACE: So obviously whilst we were delivering the
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JO GRACE: That also included talking
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JO GRACE: At the start of each session with the children,
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JO GRACE: So we were helping the children to understand
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JO GRACE: ourselves were able to gently explore that a
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JO GRACE: There was also some other ones that might not
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JO GRACE: I mentioned earlier that we used to have
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JO GRACE: In one of the schools that we went into, we had
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JO GRACE: What was so lovely about it was everybody just
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: appreciate so much what the
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JENNIFER DIXON: I think I can add to that as well,
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JENNIFER DIXON: adaptations were — Jo mentioned the
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JENNIFER DIXON: school before that had children speaking
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JENNIFER DIXON: 34 languages — we would email the sheets
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JENNIFER DIXON: to teachers in advance so they could
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JENNIFER DIXON: upload to the tablets they were using.
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JENNIFER DIXON: The tablets had translation tools on them
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JENNIFER DIXON: so that meant they could be interpreted
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JENNIFER DIXON: for the children in their language, so
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JENNIFER DIXON: that made it more accessible for them.
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JENNIFER DIXON: We had a couple of children who had
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JENNIFER DIXON: visual impairments, so we created larger
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JENNIFER DIXON: text versions and the teacher would tell
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JENNIFER DIXON: us what size that child could read at,
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JENNIFER DIXON: and we adapted it all and then sent that
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JENNIFER DIXON: across. So it wasn't an extra task on the
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JENNIFER DIXON: teacher when we were actually in the
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JENNIFER DIXON: schools, we did all that part for them.
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JENNIFER DIXON: Those planning meetings that we had would
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JENNIFER DIXON: always help because we would ask if there
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JENNIFER DIXON: was any requirements like that before
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JENNIFER DIXON: we'd started the programme, and it gave
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JENNIFER DIXON: us time to prepare and make sure that all
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JENNIFER DIXON: those children could feel included.
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JENNIFER DIXON: One other thing that made it work
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JENNIFER DIXON: was the resources that delivered the
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JENNIFER DIXON: programme. So we had the class teacher
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JENNIFER DIXON: and two NSPCC staff members facilitating
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JENNIFER DIXON: and delivering the sessions, and that
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JENNIFER DIXON: facilitated really safe conversations
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JENNIFER DIXON: with children. Nobody was left out.
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JENNIFER DIXON: There was a staff [member] and teacher
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JENNIFER DIXON: around to support any child who
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JENNIFER DIXON: needed to have a conversation during any
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JENNIFER DIXON: of the activities that were run.
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JENNIFER DIXON: So the consistency of that team of
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JENNIFER DIXON: facilitators was also something that was
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JENNIFER DIXON: really valuable within the programme
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JENNIFER DIXON: design. Another key feature that made the
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JENNIFER DIXON: programme work is that it was delivered
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JENNIFER DIXON: by individuals who are trained and
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JENNIFER DIXON: confident in managing difficult
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JENNIFER DIXON: conversations and safeguarding concerns.
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JENNIFER DIXON: So anyone that delivers this type of
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JENNIFER DIXON: programme must respond to safeguarding
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JENNIFER DIXON: disclosures in a trauma-informed way.
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JENNIFER DIXON: They need to have robust safeguarding
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JENNIFER DIXON: procedures in place or be supported by
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JENNIFER DIXON: the NSPCC to develop them.
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JENNIFER DIXON: So Prajapa, you mentioned there about
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JENNIFER DIXON: being trauma-informed.
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JENNIFER DIXON: Jo, do you think you could tell me more
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JENNIFER DIXON: about how practitioners can be
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JENNIFER DIXON: trauma-informed when delivering emotional
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JENNIFER DIXON: resilience work?
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JO GRACE: I think that's an essential skill in any kind
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JO GRACE: of work that we do, but particularly when
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JO GRACE: working with children, because we hear children
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JO GRACE: share really difficult feelings; and on some
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JO GRACE: occasions there were significant safeguarding
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JO GRACE: disclosures that were shared as well.
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JO GRACE: So whoever delivers the programme needs to have
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JO GRACE: had some training to be able to identify and
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JO GRACE: manage safeguarding concerns, but also to have
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JO GRACE: had some training in trauma-informed
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JO GRACE: approaches or to be trauma-sensitive;
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JO GRACE: to understand how to be with
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JO GRACE: a child in their feelings, that it's not just
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JO GRACE: about finding solutions, but actually it can be
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JO GRACE: sitting with those difficult words, difficult
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JO GRACE: feelings that children are sharing and
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JO GRACE: not having any judgement around any
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JO GRACE: of that, but allowing children the space to
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JO GRACE: actually feel safe with that adult and
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JO GRACE: to feel listened to and heard.
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JO GRACE: I think both those skills go hand-in-hand, both
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JO GRACE: in terms of safeguarding and in any kind of
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JO GRACE: trauma-informed approach.
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JO GRACE: I think it's really essential that
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JO GRACE: organisations ensure that any
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JO GRACE: staff that would be in place facilitating a
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JO GRACE: programme like this would have also
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JO GRACE: things like good supervision and also good
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JO GRACE: wellbeing pathways, because sometimes you are
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JO GRACE: dealing with difficult subject matters.
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JO GRACE: So it's important to make sure that staff are
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JO GRACE: well looked after and well-trained and
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JO GRACE: are able to deliver the programme consistently,
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JO GRACE: but in a team, not just as individuals
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JO GRACE: like we said at the beginning.
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JO GRACE: We always did this with two staff plus a
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JO GRACE: teacher to ensure that there was enough people
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JO GRACE: around so that if anything did arise,
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JO GRACE: there was still people there while someone
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JO GRACE: could step out and deal with whatever the
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JO GRACE: difficulty was. I think making
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JO GRACE: sure that it's in the
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JO GRACE: right hands of the people that understand
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JO GRACE: empathy and being able to hold those
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JO GRACE: feelings and understanding what talking about
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JO GRACE: feelings may result in, which can result in
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JO GRACE: disclosures or big feelings that are hard
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JO GRACE: to manage, then that's a really positive
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JO GRACE: approach as well.
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JO GRACE: A really essential approach.
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JENNIFER DIXON: We've talked a lot about the positives of
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JENNIFER DIXON: the programme. Prajapa, could you tell me
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JENNIFER DIXON: a bit more about what the challenges were
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JENNIFER DIXON: around delivering the emotional resilience
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JENNIFER DIXON: programme?
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: Yes I can, Jen, and I think rather
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: than challenges, I would frame it as
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: learning because there was so much
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: learning for the NSPCC during the
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: planning and also the delivery of
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: the programme, as we heard through
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: the evaluation.
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: I'll briefly run through some of the
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: key learnings. So firstly, it took
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: time for children to feel
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: comfortable with NSPCC staff.
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: They were external presenters and
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: the programme required a trusting
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: relationship so that the children
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: were able to share their feelings
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: and really engage in the activities.
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: Time was key and time was not always
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: afforded to us because we had to fit
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: it all within one classroom time
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: slot within the day.
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: Secondly, we learned that, because
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: we were delivering it to so many
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: different age groups, a greater
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: variety of delivery methods were
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: needed and it was recommended that
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: sessions included puppets, slides,
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: short videos and pictures to keep
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: the children engaged throughout the
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: one-hour session.
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: We learned that some of the resources
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: within the programme had already
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: been introduced to the children
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: through other programmes and events.
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: And this showed us the importance of
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: really understanding what programmes
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: exist currently in schools so that
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: we are fully aware of this when
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: introducing any programme or
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: resource kit.
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: The evaluation also learned that
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: schools were facing quite a lot of
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: challenges every day with resources
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: and pressures on staff capacity.
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: So we need to bear this in mind when
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: scaling up a programme of this
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: nature. This is where the emotional
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: resilience resource pack comes in,
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: as it gives schools and teachers a
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: toolkit to dip in and out of and
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: build into their lesson plans as and
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: when needed.
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JENNIFER DIXON: Thanks Prajapa. So, following the success
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JENNIFER DIXON: of the programme Jo, largely you in our
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JENNIFER DIXON: team, created the facilitator's guide.
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JENNIFER DIXON: As Prajapa's mentioned, there's other
programmes
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JENNIFER DIXON: out there as well.
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JENNIFER DIXON: What advice would you give to someone who
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JENNIFER DIXON: wants to run and implement their own
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JENNIFER DIXON: emotional resilience programme with young
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JENNIFER DIXON: people?
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JO GRACE: I think the first thing would be absolutely it
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JO GRACE: needs to be done in partnership with the
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JO GRACE: schools or— actually, as Prajapa had
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JO GRACE: mentioned about going downstream, we
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JO GRACE: started with the older years and then the
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JO GRACE: younger years within the schools.
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JO GRACE: We ultimately ended up developing emotional
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JO GRACE: resilience for nurseries in the early years as
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JO GRACE: well because the need was there at that
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JO GRACE: very, very early stage and if we can start
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JO GRACE: children's emotional resilience and recognising
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JO GRACE: their big feelings, you know, from age
three
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JO GRACE: onwards, that's an amazing step towards
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JO GRACE: building their resilience as they grow into
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JO GRACE: adulthood. So working in partnership, I think,
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JO GRACE: is key.
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JO GRACE: Co-creation is also key.
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JO GRACE: Have the feedback from parents, from staff,
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JO GRACE: from children, from anybody that's involved in
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JO GRACE: it. Take that learning and again,
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JO GRACE: like Prajapa mentioned, it's iterative,
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JO GRACE: it's a moving process.
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JO GRACE: You don't just write it and then get stuck on
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JO GRACE: it. You have to learn and adapt as
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JO GRACE: things change.
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JO GRACE: We eventually found a couple of storybooks that
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JO GRACE: worked really well.
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JO GRACE: We found a game, Buckaroo, which was a
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JO GRACE: wonderful example of getting overloaded with
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JO GRACE: your feelings when the donkey bucked.
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JO GRACE: And so there was some fun, real fun activities
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JO GRACE: built into it. So again, make your programme
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JO GRACE: fun, keep it quite short and quite light.
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JO GRACE: You want the children to want to come back for
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JO GRACE: more. And I suppose the biggest key thing,
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JO GRACE: going back to that previous question we just
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JO GRACE: discussed, is about the relationships.
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JO GRACE: It's about the relationships with whoever's
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JO GRACE: facilitating. It's about the relationships with
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JO GRACE: the school staff, their teachers, their nursery
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JO GRACE: educators, whoever it might be, building that
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JO GRACE: safe, trusted, nurturing relationship
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JO GRACE: where children feel safe enough to test
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JO GRACE: out and talk about their big feelings and
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JO GRACE: to share how they're feeling or the things
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JO GRACE: they're struggling with so that they can learn
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JO GRACE: from that. I think the one other thing that I
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JO GRACE: would add is about always ensuring
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JO GRACE: that the parents are part of it.
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JO GRACE: We used to send information home to parents
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JO GRACE: to let them know what we were doing, what
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JO GRACE: activities the children were taking part in and
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JO GRACE: what the aim of the programme was that we were
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JO GRACE: doing with the children.
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JO GRACE: They would often go home and tell their parents
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JO GRACE: stories about it.
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JO GRACE: One of the key features of the programme was
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JO GRACE: mindfulness and the children really loved
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JO GRACE: the active mindfulness exercises that
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JO GRACE: we did. So we taught them things like finger
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JO GRACE: breathing and superhero breathing.
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JO GRACE: One their favourites was bumblebee breathing
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JO GRACE: and we were shared a story by
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JO GRACE: a parent about how they were now using that at
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JO GRACE: bedtime, as part of the routine.
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JO GRACE: Because their child found it really, really
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JO GRACE: soothing. And actually the parent was quite
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JO GRACE: comforted by it as well, that they would
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JO GRACE: breathe together and hum and make this kind of
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JO GRACE: buzzing sound together, and they would lie
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JO GRACE: there laughing on the bed after they'd done it.
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JO GRACE: So just make sure parents are a core part of it
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JO GRACE: as well.
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JENNIFER DIXON: So from our conversation today, what I'm
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JENNIFER DIXON: getting is that we would highly recommend
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JENNIFER DIXON: that schools prioritise emotional
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JENNIFER DIXON: resilience within their settings, as well
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JENNIFER DIXON: as other groups if they can. We've
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JENNIFER DIXON: mentioned our facilitator guide, which is
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JENNIFER DIXON: just one of the number of different tools
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JENNIFER DIXON: available for people.
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JENNIFER DIXON: One of the big things that has come across
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JENNIFER DIXON: from both you and Prajapa speaking is the
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JENNIFER DIXON: importance of being responsive to
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JENNIFER DIXON: children and listening, active real
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JENNIFER DIXON: listening to children.
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JENNIFER DIXON: And making it fun. So they want to come
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JENNIFER DIXON: and speak to you and build that trust.
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JENNIFER DIXON: But I think we're also just very aware of
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JENNIFER DIXON: the capacity constraints for teachers and
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JENNIFER DIXON: just quite how much they're balancing
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JENNIFER DIXON: within the classroom and how many
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JENNIFER DIXON: children's needs that they have to meet
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JENNIFER DIXON: all at one time, and it's a very hard
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JENNIFER DIXON: job. I think what we learned overall
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JENNIFER DIXON: is that actually supporting emotional
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JENNIFER DIXON: resilience in children is a collective
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JENNIFER DIXON: effort; so that could be your local Scout
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JENNIFER DIXON: groups, your Rainbows groups as well, you
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JENNIFER DIXON: know, bringing in these topics in loads
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JENNIFER DIXON: of different arenas.
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JENNIFER DIXON: Just places where children have adults
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JENNIFER DIXON: they can lean on that feel trusted and
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JENNIFER DIXON: safe, and that they can create this sense
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JENNIFER DIXON: of connection and safety with.
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JENNIFER DIXON: Thank you for both answering all my
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JENNIFER DIXON: questions and speaking with me today.
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JO GRACE: Thank you.
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: Thank you! If anyone would like to
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: read our evaluation report on our
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: emotional resilience programme, you
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: can find the link in the show notes
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: attached to this podcast, or on our
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PRAJAPA SENEVIRATNE: NSPCC Learning website.
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