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You hold space for others every day.
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This space is for you.
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Welcome to Between Sessions with Berries, the podcast where mental health professionals have real conversations to simplify documentation, fight burnout, and reconnect with the work they love.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Between Sessions with Berries.
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Today's guest, I'm super excited to have is Dr.
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Lindsay Hill.
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She's a board-certified psychiatric nurse practitioner, educator, and founder of the Psych MP Boot Camp.
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She's on a mission to help new and transitioning psychiatric nurse practitioners build confidence and competence as they enter the real world of mental health care.
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As the co-founder of the Psych MP Network and president of the Arizona chapter of the American Psychiatric Nurses Association, Lindsay's impact is widespread and growing.
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She's here today to share her journey, the real challenges that PMHMPs face, and all the tools that make it work without the burnout.
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Lindsay, I'm so excited to have you here.
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Thanks for being our guest.
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Thanks for having me.
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This is awesome.
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You're welcome.
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So could you uh take us back about, you know, when you first got into the field, what got you into the field, and then what drew you to being a nurse practitioner and then going into private practice as a nurse practitioner.
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I know that's a huge question, but I think not everybody chooses that path.
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So I'd love to talk about it.
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I went to nursing school in Ohio, small town, two stoplights, cornfields, and I did not like my undergrad rotation in psych.
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I was like, this is, I would not want to do this.
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This is kind of just like not my vibe.
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People aren't getting better.
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It would just really get me down to work, I just feel like I'm passing pills out and people aren't getting better.
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And then when I moved to Arizona, I started working at Arizona State University as a community health nurse, and I saw the role of the psychiatric nurse practitioner.
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And I got to see it pretty intimately because there were psych NPs who worked in the clinic that I worked in.
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And so I saw students getting better, you know, with the work they were doing with these psych NPs, with their mental health, their functioning.
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And I was like, oh, that's what I want to do.
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Like, I know I want to do that.
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So I went back to school.
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I went to ASU pretty shortly after I graduated as a nurse.
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I'd been practicing maybe a year and a half as a community health nurse, but I just kind of knew that that's what I wanted to do.
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And so I had a mentor at the time who really just pushed me to like, well, why not take the action steps?
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Like, let's do it.
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And I was like, Well, I'm a beginner, A, and like B, I don't know, you know, and he's just like, he really encouraged me just to like do it.
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So that was pretty cool.
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And then, you know, when I got out and I started working as a psych NP, I found a place that had really solid mentorship because I knew I needed that.
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I was super insecure about my clinical skills and causing harm to somebody.
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Like that was like my number one requirement.
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And so I found like an amazing mentor and I worked at that corporate job for probably seven years.
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And then the pandemic hit, and I had my son who's now five during that time, and then I also had a traumatic brain injury.
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I was in a ski accident in Tahoe.
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So I had all these like life changes happening, and I I got really burned out of being a site guy.
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Like I I just need a break.
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So I took like six months off and I just tried to get back into my hobbies a little bit.
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I I did a lot of thrifting during that time.
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I remember I was just trying to kind of go to therapy and figure out what was next for me because I honestly didn't know if I could keep doing what I was doing.
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And then during that time also, I did end up leaving that corporate job for a couple other like corporate positions because I was like, well, maybe that's the answer.
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Like maybe I need to kind of work with a different population or different, different setting.
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And then as I was doing that, like I saw people who had much less clinical experience than me doing way cooler and bigger things.
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And then I was like, man, why haven't I why do I tell myself like that I would never be able to make it as an entrepreneur or like I don't know, I just kind of got bored with myself too.
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Like I was like, I need to take a risk.
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I need to see if maybe I won't be, maybe I won't like it.
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Like, because I always thought I wouldn't like be private practice having to be like the final say on everything.
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Like that just kind of shut me down.
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And I was like, well, I'll always kind of wonder if I don't try.
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So I ended up launching a private practice, and I knew I kind of wanted to create like some education, like educational programs.
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And when I was asked to do it at an hourly rate, I kind of started thinking, like, well, I could do that, or I could just like make this make some of the stuff myself, which I've since found out is very very hard creating like educational content.
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Like it's a lot harder than it sounds.
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But anyway, so yeah, just kind of was like this messy transition of just like Yeah, yeah.
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Well, let's talk about so the community, like community mental health and then corporate, because I feel like even as a therapist, we go through that same trajectory a little bit.
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Like we get out of school, we usually go community mental health, and that kind of burns us out because it's like also the most acute, it seems to be like the hardest population is where we start as therapists.
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I don't know if that was similar for nurse practitioners, but then for me it was you know, like, okay, maybe I'll go work private, like maybe that'll be different.
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But that even burns you out, right?
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Because it's like a culture and a schedule and like bosses and people, like I don't know what of it like burned you out, like even trying to switch from different corporate place to different corporate place.
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We're not all cut out for that type of thing.
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So it's really cool that you finally figured out I need to do something different.
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And then COVID hits, and then an injury hits, and it's just like that's the springboard, it sounds like.
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I think so.
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You know, there is another variable as I'm thinking through this that kind of happened.
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I'm a very like play by the rules kind of person, do what I think I'm supposed to do.
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And kind of during this time, my sister became a psych NP.
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And she's she has just a lot of like more natural confidence, I would say.
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And so, like for her, she's like, I'm gonna work part-time and I'm gonna work telehealth when I graduate, which is kind of like controversial, you know.
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Like, it's like I was kind of judging her.
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I'm like, go in the trenches like I did.
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Like, what do you mean?
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But she's done it and her life situation, you know, it makes sense for where she's at.
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She's like honoring her life situation and all kinds of things that she deals with with in her life.
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Because we all have our own journeys, right?
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We all have our own things that we're dealing with day to day.
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So it's like you kind of have to honor what's right for you in that season.
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And sometimes it doesn't look like what you may have put on yourself as far as an expectation.
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So I think that actually is because we had job shared a corporate job, my sister and I.
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And I was the one who was like, Well, let's see if we can job share and you could be part-time.
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And I'm like, it's I don't know, it just kind of came to be like that.
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So I think that also gave me confidence.
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Once you like left school and then kind of went in these structured work environments and then tried or went out on your own into private practice.
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What did you find was the gap between like what school taught you all in nurse practitioner school versus what an actual practice needed to have run?
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All those skills maybe you didn't get in school.
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What was the gap there that you've discovered?
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Pretty massive because I don't remember learning a lot in school about billing or reimbursement.
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Now, granted, like I am an out-of-pocket provider, and part of that was feeling burned out with like insurances.
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I think that was one of the things I thought might be different in private.
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And and it was a little bit different at first, but then I then they sold to a company and I saw it all coming down the pipeline again of like the paperwork and the administrative hassle and everything like that.
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So yeah, I just marketing, marketing yourself.
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Like I had kind of just tried to be really behind the scenes, you know, working in mental health.
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It's like I didn't want to put myself out there.
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Like I didn't want to be seen, kind of.
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And then it was almost like liberating to go, like, okay, well, what if you just did like make yourself a little bit seen?
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Like, what's the worst that would happen?
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Like, if you're not answering to anybody, it's not like you can get in trouble.
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You might have to deal
with the consequences.
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So it kind of became like a challenge to myself, too, of like, just try something different, see what happens and see how it goes.
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So, yeah, I got on social media and my mom would be the only one on there watching me.
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And my family was like, What are you doing?
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This is kind of funny.
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But I just kind of stayed consistent, you know, and it it it paid off.
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But for sure, there's a massive gap as far as like what you learn in school, and then being able to just launch a practice when it comes to billing, infrastructure, administrative support, you know, how long are the appointments gonna be?
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Are you gonna hire your virtual assistant?
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Like, there's just a lot of practical things.
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I think working in the corporate environments that I did helped me in a variety of those to see kind of how they did things, right?
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Like learn some of the behind the scenes just from working for them.
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So that that definitely helped me out.
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But I had a lot of just kind of jumping in and trying something and it and a lot of times it wasn't the right thing, but I learned that way too from like taking action steps instead of just kind of being paralyzed in fear and not taking any action steps.
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That makes so much sense.
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Yeah, and I was just gonna ask you now that you're coaching nurse practitioners going through the same process, like what are some of those initial struggles?
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Is it like, should I be insurance-based, not insurance-based?
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Do I telehealth in person?
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Like, I just wonder what are the major, maybe top three or four that you see right now when somebody's just coming into this.
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Well, a big one is clinical confidence.
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And you know, we don't have a residency like psychiatrists do.
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So we don't have like that really structured transition support.
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A lot of us just feel like we're just kind of like, wait, what?
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Now I'm supposed to go do this job and prescribe?
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Like, what do you mean?
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Like it's very jarring, and that's a big reason why I built my boot camp as a transition to practice program.
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So clinical confidence is a huge one that people that psych and peas struggle with.
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Also, yeah, knowing like what setting should I start out on in?
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Where should I go for mentorship?
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Like, should I try to get this mentorship at the job that I get hired by, or should I do one of these mentorship programs, which are really a new thing?
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I mean, I hadn't even heard of a mentorship program until I went online as a psych NP, which was, I don't know, 2021, maybe.
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So mentorship is a big one.
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Also, more so people are asking more questions about like, should I be working full-time patient care hours?
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Or like, should I be trying to kind of do other things for income too?
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Because I will say, like, even 10 years in, because I have 10 years of experience, like it's still heavy emotionally.
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Like the work itself is heavy, you know.
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For me, one of the things I found to be true is like I do a lot better with the different revenue streams, with the not seeing patients 7 a.m.
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to 5 p.m., back to back to back to back.
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Like I can give better care, I can take better care of myself, better care of my family.
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So that was one of the things that I learned.
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But really, there wasn't a lot of people doing that until it seems like recently.
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And it's almost like with the pandemic and people going to telehealth, because I had never thought about working telehealth on to be honest.
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That wasn't a big thing either.
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It kind of gave people permission almost to think about, like, oh wow.
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People had different opinions and thoughts and responded differently, obviously, to that shift, right?
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So it was that was hard to kind of figure out like what's the right thing.
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Cause I'm always looking, what's the right thing to do next?
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You know what I mean?
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Like, right, right.
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What do the best psych NPs do?
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You know?
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So I kind of stopped playing by the rules a little bit, I guess.
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And it sounds like you really took into account like what kind of lifestyle do I want to have?
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Like the seven, seven a.m.
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to five p.m.
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clients back to back is not gonna work for me.
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Probably learned that from the corporate world, I guess, where they probably try to cram in as many clients as they can, or patients.
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I guess you call them patients, or or do you do you call them patients or clients?
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It's either
varied artist.
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It's varied.
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Yeah, like but I imagine, I mean, and and then getting that like established that yeah, I don't want to live this lifestyle.
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I need to figure out another way to do this and still make a good living and all of that stuff.
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Yeah.
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Right, right, yeah.
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So it's definitely been a transition and like an identity.
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There's like a there was an identity crisis for sure because there was guilt there as far as like just feeling like what I should be doing, you know, am I selling out?
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Like, am I just trying to like live this fluffy lifestyle that's superficial?
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That's not necessarily the goal.
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Like, yeah, I want more time with my son and to be like flexible, but I really had to go back to like my why, my purpose, and it's something that I revisit frequently because it's easy to get off track, you know, as opportunities present themselves.
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It's easy.
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And I think I've been a very historically reactive person instead of being kind of intentional with what I want for my life and whatnot.
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So gotcha.
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So it was more like okay, I'm responding, I've got a head injury or the pandemic.
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Like I'm responding to events instead of looking at it ahead of time and deciding this is like the lifestyle I want to live and let me build it out that way.
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Exactly.
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Gotcha.
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Exactly.
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Gotcha.
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And I'm guessing now that you've got that perspective, it's easier to help the new MPs that are coming through to be able to like start from that model, possibly like like lifestyle modeling their practice around that instead of the cookie cutter, this is how you do this kind of thing.
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Exactly.
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And I think it's just like this balancing act because there is a lot of controversy in within just even being a psych NP and what that means, because so many people started becoming a psych NP when the pandemic hit and more of these poor for-profit programs popped up that weren't necessarily like having stand we don't have standardized education.
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So that's a big like criticism that we get, which there's a lot of variables out there that make it to where it's really important for me to like try to help the field, you know what I mean?
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A lot of judgments too, as far as like, oh, you know, becoming a psych and pee once it was like a popular thing to do, and when you could travel, kind of like travel nursing was like a trend kind of thing.
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Um so there's just like a lot of comments that get made on social media too, like, oh, psych and peas are just doing it for the money, or there's just a lot that you kind of have to wade through and that I have to think about because I want to be intentional with what I'm promoting.
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I don't just want to be like just promoting things to try to sell things just because, you know.
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Absolutely, so interesting.
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Getting into the weeds here, getting off on these rabbit trails.
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No, no, it's great.
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I mean, it's it's super helpful because I'm sure people listening, other MPs listening, are feeling the same way if they're in the beginning or have felt the same way.
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I can totally relate to that.
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Because I I, you know, being a therapist, I know we have a lot of controversies too, controversial things too.
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And it's really hard to step outside of that box and be brave and like follow, you know, the beat of your own drum kind of thing when there's so many naysayers in your ear all the time about it should be this way or it should be done that way.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, and you being brave to do that and then create something to put it out there to teach other people.
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I think it's amazing to set that path for people.
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Yeah.
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Thank you.
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It was definitely scary because um I'm somebody too who like I don't I hated public speaking.
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I really hated public speaking and just kind of honestly just being seen.
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Like I've just been like an under the radar person that like which is funny now because I'm not I'm so not under the radar anymore.
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And my sister would laugh if she heard me say, You're not, she'd be like, You're not under the radar.
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But I feel like I was for a long time.
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I totally get that.
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I'm the same way, actually.
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It's it's pretty funny.
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But once you set your mind to it, and then I don't know about you, but once I set my mind to it and it's like I've you know, I've got this passion, I feel like like pressure, like I want to spread the word and help other people be able to like transition this way and not be stuck in that exhaustive burnout model, right?
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Yeah, exactly.
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And I think to one of my bosses who, like I said, had less clinical experience, but like had scaled a group
practice, sold it.
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He was also the one who introduced me to like home exchange, which has been like really life-changing for us as a family, like a more like oh and I'm not getting paid to say this, like I'm not an affiliate for home exchange or anything like that, but like just the opportunities to like be able to travel for like a month at a time, you know, as a family when you have kids is pretty incredible.
00:17:55.799 --> 00:18:02.599
But he was he modeled that, like as far as he was going to travel for a month, or you know, and I'm like, wait, what?
00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:05.559
You own this practice, yeah, yeah.
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So I think just kind of so good modeling for other people that, yeah, it doesn't have to look one certain way.
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So you made the decision at some point.
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I'm not gonna work the schedule.
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I want to have other income streams.
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You're doing the Psych and P boot camp already.
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Are you teaching like scaling strategies in the boot camp on how to maybe scale it to other income streams to help reduce the burnout?
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Yes, it's kind of like become more a part of it just as a result of people asking me.
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Like there are people who have joined the boot camp who don't even really necessarily need the clinical aspect, and they're just like drawn to my community because they're like, Well, what how did you do that?
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And you know, I haven't really had like an offering for that per se.
00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:54.440
So I've okay, interesting.
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Yeah, I kind of like weaved, weaved that in and just, you know, it's something I want to talk more about.
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And I'm getting more into like business coaching with that a little bit because it's really fun.
00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:16.440
We've my husband and I have just like helped people recently for for just like friends of ours with like getting set up for their revenue streams and seeing them make money, like we love it.
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We're like, this is so cool.
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Like, this is yeah, like stand store.
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I'm like nerding out about stand store right now because stand store has made it easier for me to sell my offers, and sales isn't something that you get taught in school.
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Like, no, it's not just creating a course or creating a you know, like you have to market it, people have to know about it, like you get eyeballs, yeah.
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And how does that happen?
00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:47.880
Maybe you could talk about stand store, like you know, I I've read about it too and been curious about it for products and that sort of thing.
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So, how do you use Stand Store as an entrepreneur?
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And and like, what do you what are your products on your Stand Store?
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Maybe we just cover those so we could talk about them a little bit.
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Everything that you've diversified.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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So the bootcamp is on there primarily.
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Okay, that's kind of my main flagship core offer, right?
00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:14.519
But even just like having a streamlined landing page, like because I've had different checkout pages for my boot camp.
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I've had it on different tech platforms.
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I was on Mighty Network for a little.
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I was on it was like a Go High level product, basically.
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And it wasn't very uh effective at like converting my leads and it wasn't very user-friendly.
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And so to find stand something that I can actually set up, like I don't have to pay somebody.
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It's it's like that basic, that intuitive, to set up a landing page to try out an offer is kind of like mind blowing.
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So even recently, like I've licensed some content that's kind of like the next level of the boot camp as far as like difficulty-wise, but being able to like test out offers of like even an upsell for like somebody who's in the boot camp who's coming to me anyway, wanting these things, right?
00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:06.120
Yeah, but like figuring out how to do it.
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Or another example would be now that I've started sharing about Stan Storm, all these providers are coming to me.
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And so my husband and I got on a call this morning with somebody and we put together an offer for a VIP day.
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Nice.
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And I just did that this morning.
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I don't know if she's gonna purchase it or not, but like the fact that you can do something that quickly is super incredible because how you package an offer, I've realized, learning from people like Alex Hermozzi and stuff like that matters.
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And I think people give up too soon before they don't realize that like changing the title of a program can really change a price point a little bit, like changing these things until it's so with Stan, you can iterate, you know, and you can do it pretty like intuitively.
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So I'm I'm kind of obsessed with it, and I'm nerding out that like the founder reposted my stuff today.
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I'm like, oh my gosh, that's exciting.
00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:08.519
And I'm in the Gary Vee challenge, and I want to go to New York.
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I'm very
determined at this point, but you have to make the most sales between like October something and December.
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So I've like kind of readjusted some of my launches, and I'm like, I'm I'm here for it, Kim.
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Oh my gosh.
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Anybody listening, go buy from Lindsay right now.
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Go to her stand store.
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We're gonna have the links down in the comments.
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That's so exciting.
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I'm I'm the same way.
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I get addicted to the entrepreneurial like life, the funnels and the, you know, it's it's obsessive, like really for me, because it's it's so easy now with AI.
00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:45.319
And hopefully we we could talk about AI a little bit too.
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AI makes it so much easier to put these offers out and and just to be able to create like landing pages and products and you know, and then like you said, you talk to somebody on the phone and and they're like it's like god, a VIP offer would be great for her.
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Let me create it real quick and put it out, put it out there.
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And if she doesn't buy it, somebody else will because it's out there now, you know, which is so cool.
00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:07.240
Exactly.
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And you can make the landing pages public or private, you know, you can have it on your storefront or not.
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And and the templates, you can choose a template that kind of feels like your brand, which is which is nice too.
00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:21.160
So they they look nice.
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I think people who maybe thought they couldn't do it like can can do it, you know, which is which is really cool.
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It's pretty incredible.
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Yeah, I'm having so much fun.
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That's really cool because it's like it's like having a niche, having a desire, like you do, even though maybe you don't like the public speaking in the beginning, but having a niche and a desire, and then the the ability to do it so quickly these days is just amazing to me.
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And it gives you so much freedom and space.
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And you can still be a nurse practitioner, but do all this other stuff too.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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The freedom and space that I have now is like it's I love it so much and I value it so much.
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I I'm very grateful.
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Yeah.
00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:04.279
Yeah.
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It's amazing.
00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:06.759
So, how about AI?
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We always love to talk about AI on this podcast because it's
the Barry's podcast, and we love AI, but are you using AI with your content creation or your pro your NP bootcamp or just in your practice?
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How are you using AI in your life, like technology-wise, to help make your life easier?
00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:27.240
Well, I use AI scribes.
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I've used almost all of them, like as far as for helping with charting.
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I was shocked the first time that I tried freed for the first time.
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I was so, I was just with my brother, like here, actually, I think.
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And he's a firefighter.
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He was being really obnoxious.
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Like, and the note that it put together was like really good.
00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:47.559
I'm like, wait, what?
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I was so confused.
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So, anyway, I've tried a lot of different ones.
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I I use a kind of PMH scribe sometimes.
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I use berries, and it's great.
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It's a great tool.
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And I love it's like I don't have to be like typing, typing, typing because I did that for so many years where I just was like typing the entire time and I got pretty good at it.
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But it's nice to be able to feel like I can really be present on a different level now with my patients.
00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:15.559
So that's a big way that I use it.
00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:16.359
What else?
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Oh, content creation.
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Oh my goodness.
00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:29.400
Do you know how much time I took on the first iteration of the boot camp with like decks that now I'm like, I need to redo all of those, they aren't even very good.
00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:34.279
And I now I have tools that like they will look so much better.
00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:36.680
Like, I'm just like shook by that.
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:37.319
You know what I mean?
00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:40.759
Thinking back to making those slides and making those videos.
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I'm like, oh wow.
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So I need to like redo a lot of stuff.
00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:46.599
I have a lot in the pipeline.
00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:49.160
But what else do I use AI for?
00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:50.759
Okay, this is kind of interesting.
00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:53.079
I've been using the audio feature.
00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:57.720
Like I've been going on my walking pad because I'm kind of a verbal processor.
00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:00.680
So I have this career accelerator coming up.
00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:10.279
It's an event that I'm doing with two other psych MPs where we're gonna talk about, I'm gonna talk about diversifying revenue streams, marketing, and negotiating.
00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:17.160
And
I have been, because it's a new topic for me to talk on, I've been talking to AI a lot about it.
00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:19.960
And I've been kind of like practicing what I want to say.
00:26:20.120 --> 00:26:31.640
And that kind of helped me put together my slide deck, but it's helping me just kind of like process through what I want my main points to be because I've I have a lot to say and I'm not the best at organizing this stuff.
00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:37.079
This was part of the problem, the intention that my sister and I had when we put out version one of the boot camp.
00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:41.799
She's like, you can't include everything, like this is getting out of control, you know?
00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:55.079
So, anyway, that's really cool to use that like audio feature just for like processing and also practicing, talking about something because I I still do have some of that anxiety with speaking with a lot of eyes on me.
00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:56.759
I'm just being able to talk it out loud.
00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:05.319
I something I encourage my nurse practitioners to do when they're practicing psychiatric interviewing is like to like practice with somebody or practice saying it out loud, right?
00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:08.120
So that's another way I've been using AI.
00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:09.160
What else?
00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:20.039
I'm yeah, I'm just kind of learning how to use it more for like potentially, you know, yeah, social media, branding graphics type type stuff.
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:22.279
You know, I I just try to learn every day.
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:27.799
I remember when Chat GPT came out and my husband was like super obsessed, like day one.
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:32.680
Yeah, and he was telling everybody, and I was making fun of him because I didn't I didn't get it, you know.
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:34.200
Now I get it.
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Now I understand.
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It's like, oh yeah.
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:41.960
I'm trying to think if there's anything.
00:27:42.120 --> 00:27:43.960
I know that there's other things that I use.
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:46.359
I was using so Stan has an AI feature.
00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:57.000
So this morning to write the landing page for the VIP offering, it like scrapes your content and it it helped put that together.
00:27:57.240 --> 00:27:59.160
So I'm using that.
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:06.920
I'm using like some of the note-taking apps, like Fathom, you know, when I'm on calls to kind of that, those are nice.
00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:08.839
It helps so much.
00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:10.039
So nice.
00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:15.160
Just being able to be present in meetings and not be like, oh, I gotta remember that or I gotta write this down, right?
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:16.599
It's pretty incredible.
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:21.559
Yeah, it's just like I guess my mind's just kind of blown at like the opportunity right now.
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:34.279
Like, I kind of feel like I'm in this moment and time of like, this is like unique, like that we are given these tools, and some people are gonna really use these tools and it really impact a lot of people.
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:38.440
Inside of your boot camp, do you talk about AI stuff much?
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:46.839
Or or is it more like let's talk about like the the beginning strategies and all that, just for the nurse practitioners listening that might want to know more about the boot camp.
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:50.039
What could they expect if they jumped into that program?
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:50.519
Okay.
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Because we do live coaching, so a lot of times these questions are coming up anyway.
00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:59.720
And and if you mention that you're using something, they want to know how you're using it.
00:28:59.960 --> 00:29:12.200
I'm also like a huge fan of this product called Headlamp, which is basically like if you're familiar with health information exchange, it's like a prettier version of that, but it's not just that.
00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:28.599
It it also is like there's an app for the patient to track how they're progressing, and then the health information exchange pretty version database, like brings all this data together where you can see more clearly, like, oh, we started this med here.
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:36.279
This is when their sleep started changing, because it also tracks like information from their Aura Ring and Apple Health.
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:42.599
And so to get more of those, like, I'm a big nerd with like visuals, graphs, because that's what really speaks to me.
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:52.440
So I'm like, if I have this to show my patients, like, oh, they can see now how cutting back on alcohol just by two beers a week, they can see how their sleeps change.
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:55.319
Like, that's really what drives behavior change, right?
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:58.680
Like changing the behavior, seeing a pro, a con.
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:03.799
So huge fan of Headlamp, and they're like just their product's gonna get better and better and better.
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:05.079
So cool.
00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:06.440
Oh my gosh, I love it.
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:16.839
And then probably I'm guessing the AI is in the background, like culminating all this information to make this like really amazing like outcome or visual for them to be able to see all this.
00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:17.799
Exactly.
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:32.920
So my new Psych NPs are especially obsessed, and I would have been too having some information in advance to be able to go, well, even a patient I had an intake this week who couldn't remember what SSRI she had been on, and being able to look, oh, it was Prozac.
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:34.039
That was super helpful for me.
00:30:34.120 --> 00:30:35.400
She wouldn't, she couldn't recall it.
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:36.839
This was
actually our second appointment.
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:45.160
So it that was helpful information for me to know, like I wanted to prescribe Zoloft in this instance, or you know, health conditions, diagnoses.
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:49.400
So it's really helpful to have more of that information in one place.
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:51.160
Oh my gosh, isn't it amazing?
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:57.079
If you think back, it's like, oh my gosh, we used to just have to remember all this and try to piece it together in our brains.
00:30:57.559 --> 00:30:58.440
I'm wow.
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:00.839
I'm I'm shook when I think about it.
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:02.359
I know it's amazing.
00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:03.640
And then how far it's gonna come?
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:05.720
I mean, this is like just the beginning, you know?
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:07.720
Thank you so much for being here today.
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:09.480
It was amazing having you as a guest.
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:11.400
I loved learning about everything you're doing.
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:12.599
So, how do people find you?
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:17.480
If they want to find your stand store or join your MP boot camp, how do they connect with you?
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:24.599
Psych NP CEO is my handle that I have on like Instagram, TikTok, YouTube.
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:28.759
So just search for that and you'll you'll find me in it.
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:31.720
My stand store is like my link in my bio and stuff.
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:36.519
So I would love that if people come follow along for the journey.
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:42.120
I try to share kind of transparently as I'm going through things the best that I can, you know.
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:43.000
I love that.
00:31:43.160 --> 00:32:00.359
I think that makes it so much more relatable to see somebody that's already like walked the path, had the pitfalls, had the trouble, figured out how to like do this thing around your lifestyle and any of those, you know, problems that come up, the controversies of being an MP or having a diverse lifestyle or something like that, you know.
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:04.599
So I think that's really cool that you're putting that out there for nurse practitioners because I really don't see it a lot.
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:09.160
Now, the therapist world is doing great with it, but nurse practitioners, I don't see a lot of that.
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:16.599
So I think it's really cool that you're out there helping other nurse practitioners not burn out and figure out how to do all the things.
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:17.480
Thank you.
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:18.920
I appreciate that a lot.
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You're welcome.
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