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until he was 82. But I love this movie. 69 00:03:57.740 --> 00:04:00.360 I love taking of Pelham 1, 2, 3 as well. 70 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:04.120 And I really thought this was a timely film given 71 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:08.759 that it really is. In 1970, they're discussing artificial intelligence 72 00:04:09.340 --> 00:04:14.030 and the cautionary tale of if you give artificial intelligence 73 00:04:14.650 --> 00:04:18.050 too much control. The basic story is that Eric Braden 74 00:04:18.730 --> 00:04:24.189 is Forbin, the scientist. There he is, looking good, looking sharp. 75 00:04:24.209 --> 00:04:27.850 Of course, Eric Braden from soap opera fame as Victor 76 00:04:27.949 --> 00:04:32.120 on Young and the Restless. But he has created this supercomputer, 77 00:04:32.949 --> 00:04:38.439 and that's the control room. And it's created to support 78 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:42.259 the military and basically be in charge of the nuclear weapons. 79 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:46.439 But as it gets smarter and smarter, it takes more 80 00:04:46.500 --> 00:04:51.629 control and becomes a force that cannot be controlled. In fact, 81 00:04:52.430 --> 00:04:53.889 I'm sorry, V, I don't mean to keep going on, 82 00:04:53.910 --> 00:05:01.160 but these are important moments. This warning about another system, basically, 83 00:05:01.540 --> 00:05:05.959 on its own, Colossus starts to speak to the Soviets' 84 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:12.790 equivalent of a supercomputer, and V, it couldn't be more prescient. Literally, 85 00:05:13.610 --> 00:05:16.810 at this same time, in real life, this is when 86 00:05:17.509 --> 00:05:20.870 they finally started to get computers to talk to each other, 87 00:05:21.149 --> 00:05:25.529 the precursor of the internet. And I remember in college 88 00:05:25.589 --> 00:05:29.550 in the mid-80s, my friend Andy Pines, who was a 89 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:32.660 big techie, saying, hey, you want to check out how 90 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:36.860 many Cokes are in the vending machine at MIT right now? 91 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:39.879 And I'm like, what? And he goes, well, I'm able 92 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:43.420 to tap into the network. And, you know, again, and certainly, 93 00:05:43.779 --> 00:05:45.850 and you likely know, V, that, you know, the Department 94 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:49.290 of Defense, was doing things like this. And yet computer 95 00:05:49.310 --> 00:05:51.329 networks were starting to talk to each other, but it's 96 00:05:51.370 --> 00:05:53.509 a great movie. We had opening thoughts. 97 00:05:54.769 --> 00:05:55.610 I want to tell you. 98 00:05:55.649 --> 00:05:59.509 There's some great research that about this. And I'm beginning 99 00:05:59.529 --> 00:06:02.310 to think that director might've fell in love with this, 100 00:06:02.930 --> 00:06:07.029 this idea of government speaking and talking to each other 101 00:06:07.670 --> 00:06:08.569 because they. 102 00:06:08.529 --> 00:06:10.610 Use the SIL sag. 103 00:06:11.889 --> 00:06:16.170 System so that they could decode human voices and, back 104 00:06:16.269 --> 00:06:20.310 in World War II when Franklin Roosevelt was speaking. 105 00:06:20.050 --> 00:06:25.209 To Winston Churchill. So this whole idea of this supercomputer comes. 106 00:06:25.069 --> 00:06:30.160 Back from that idea, from the writer to bringing that in. 107 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:35.230 In fact, it is such an important component that There's 108 00:06:35.269 --> 00:06:37.029 so many things about this movie that. 109 00:06:36.930 --> 00:06:39.089 Are accidental and on purpose. 110 00:06:39.129 --> 00:06:43.120 Please forgive my autistic adult daughter. She's excited about me 111 00:06:43.139 --> 00:06:47.819 talking about the movie as well because we watched it together. 112 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:50.779 And the one thing in the beginning that I wanted 113 00:06:50.819 --> 00:06:53.980 to point out, if I may, I made notes, is 114 00:06:54.379 --> 00:07:00.660 superior thinking. Remember at the beginning of the movie that 115 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:04.040 they said that they put it online with the president. 116 00:07:05.389 --> 00:07:07.949 OK, so when I did that and put. 117 00:07:07.810 --> 00:07:12.259 It online, it wasn't communicating except for within where that. 118 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:17.740 Compound was in California. Right. It's a coincidental that tech 119 00:07:18.500 --> 00:07:24.990 started in California. Right back in the 60s. Silicon Valley. Right. 120 00:07:25.670 --> 00:07:28.569 And that the computers I did a lot of technical 121 00:07:28.870 --> 00:07:29.839 research for it. 122 00:07:30.470 --> 00:07:32.870 The computers are old IBM computers. 123 00:07:33.550 --> 00:07:37.490 Well, yes, but they are real important to underline the 124 00:07:37.569 --> 00:07:38.449 real computers. 125 00:07:39.250 --> 00:07:39.529 They are. 126 00:07:39.589 --> 00:07:41.649 I mean, and again, this is the era. I was 127 00:07:41.670 --> 00:07:44.990 going to say, well, I'm sorry. Sorry. I apologize, buddy. 128 00:07:45.310 --> 00:07:50.860 But truly, it was like four million dollars then to 129 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:54.420 rent the computers. And and forgive me, we're going to 130 00:07:54.459 --> 00:07:56.579 point out, too. They had to make sure the sets 131 00:07:56.740 --> 00:08:01.699 were environmentally controlled because the computers can overheat. And again, 132 00:08:01.740 --> 00:08:04.019 they were on loan. So go ahead. 133 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:07.300 I was going to add, there was so much technical. 134 00:08:07.579 --> 00:08:11.750 First of all, these computers for the movie were donated. 135 00:08:12.310 --> 00:08:12.529 Right. 136 00:08:13.029 --> 00:08:13.389 Okay. 137 00:08:13.670 --> 00:08:16.449 They didn't have to spend any money making them a 138 00:08:16.490 --> 00:08:20.329 computers or renting the computers, but they did spend money 139 00:08:20.490 --> 00:08:22.769 on making sure that they kept up

with the idea 140 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:27.839 of the computer by hiring a Brink security system night 141 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:31.670 to cover the computers. and that they had humidifiers, and 142 00:08:31.930 --> 00:08:35.950 you're right, environmental protection, way more than we have today, 143 00:08:36.009 --> 00:08:37.029 but I digress. 144 00:08:38.809 --> 00:08:42.460 Well, think about your phone overheating, you know, and things. 145 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:46.820 And again, they were on loan, these computers, and they 146 00:08:46.860 --> 00:08:51.279 were still being used and everything. And these walls of computers, 147 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:54.000 because again, that's the way computers were back then. So 148 00:08:54.019 --> 00:08:56.100 even though it was on loan and stuff, then that's 149 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:59.049 why they had the security, because it really was expensive stuff. 150 00:08:59.850 --> 00:09:01.149 Can I add one other thing? 151 00:09:01.629 --> 00:09:06.909 They had a special matte painting for the opening sequence. 152 00:09:07.009 --> 00:09:08.230 I'm sure you were going to get to that, but 153 00:09:08.250 --> 00:09:13.940 we're just talking about the beginning. And that was the 154 00:09:14.379 --> 00:09:19.659 best opening matte painting sequence ever in movie history. 155 00:09:20.419 --> 00:09:21.139 Did you know that? 156 00:09:21.620 --> 00:09:22.419 Judged by who? 157 00:09:23.789 --> 00:09:24.549 Well, whoever. I'm sorry? 158 00:09:24.570 --> 00:09:25.690 It was a long, extensive.... 159 00:09:30.789 --> 00:09:34.830 Painting and usually times they put that with hello ai 160 00:09:35.190 --> 00:09:38.649 they put that with scenes or they put that with 161 00:09:38.750 --> 00:09:43.830 you know special effects but this was a painting yeah 162 00:09:44.750 --> 00:09:46.629 and i think that's amazing i'm sorry i have to 163 00:09:46.669 --> 00:09:47.990 bring that up. 164 00:09:47.570 --> 00:09:49.529 No i agree and and you're right and it and 165 00:09:49.590 --> 00:09:53.289 it basically made the sets look incredibly big but you 166 00:09:53.309 --> 00:09:55.210 know matt painting goes you know really i mean it 167 00:09:55.230 --> 00:09:57.809 started i think it started in the 30s but you're 168 00:09:57.850 --> 00:10:00.889 right from a techno technological standpoint they compared the matt 169 00:10:00.929 --> 00:10:04.019 paintings to the work that was done back in the 170 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:08.360 50s for another sci-fi movie forbidden planet because it also 171 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:12.039 used matt paints and you're right today it's cgi it's 172 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:15.139 the volume wall that the star wars movies and the 173 00:10:15.179 --> 00:10:18.720 star trek television show have been using but um And 174 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:24.539 it really makes me wonder, again, especially when these studio 175 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:27.509 mergers are happening right now and they're trying to do 176 00:10:27.570 --> 00:10:31.230 cost-cutting in various ways, I wonder if matte painting might 177 00:10:31.269 --> 00:10:35.929 come back. It was extensively used on 80s and 90s 178 00:10:35.990 --> 00:10:39.340 Star Trek. A lot of the alien backgrounds and stuff, 179 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:42.480 that was all matte paintings. And again, I would think 180 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:45.820 that's cheaper than the volume wall and some of the 181 00:10:45.860 --> 00:10:48.019 other CGI crap. I don't know. 182 00:10:48.929 --> 00:10:50.830 I would love to hear from the audience. They had 183 00:10:50.850 --> 00:10:52.789 somebody already say hello to you, John. You saw that. 184 00:10:53.090 --> 00:10:54.509 But I would love to hear from the audience. 185 00:10:54.549 --> 00:10:57.440 And one thing that, and we're still talking about the beginning, 186 00:10:57.860 --> 00:11:04.000 they made very clear it's a super superior to human thinking. 187 00:11:04.500 --> 00:11:04.759 Yes. 188 00:11:05.220 --> 00:11:07.809 They just said right away, it's superior to human thinking. 189 00:11:08.230 --> 00:11:12.330 And I thought the most striking couple of first 15 minutes, 190 00:11:12.730 --> 00:11:14.549 they didn't need a secretary. 191 00:11:13.970 --> 00:11:16.129 Of defense or war. Remember? 192 00:11:16.149 --> 00:11:16.509 Remember? 193 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:19.179 They just dismissed him right there in the first opening 194 00:11:19.220 --> 00:11:20.940 shots when they put it online. 195 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:24.200 And then the CI director, who I know you know, 196 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:26.320 is a famous actor in face. 197 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:30.460 Well, I've got a bunch of these people. I didn't 198 00:11:31.179 --> 00:11:35.940 distinguish some of their characters. You mentioned one of the 199 00:11:36.019 --> 00:11:40.059 defense guys. Here's a photo of him. You might remember 200 00:11:40.100 --> 00:11:44.570 him from the Nell Carter 80s television show, Give Me 201 00:11:44.610 --> 00:11:45.710 a Break. That's Dolph Zweep. 202 00:11:46.429 --> 00:11:47.669 Right, right, right. 203 00:11:48.049 --> 00:11:51.990 So he's one. Were you talking about maybe... Let me 204 00:11:52.009 --> 00:11:53.590 see what else you got. 205 00:11:53.750 --> 00:11:54.730 Yes, yes. 206 00:11:55.070 --> 00:12:00.279 This is the CIA director who was cynical from day one. 207 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:03.799 He was the person who was the only person who 208 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:05.059 didn't like the system. 209 00:12:05.539 --> 00:12:08.980 Who was like, well, I'm getting ahead of myself because 210 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:10.600 we're just talking about the beginning of the movie. 211 00:12:11.179 --> 00:12:14.500 But I loved his character. That's me. 212 00:12:14.820 --> 00:12:20.169 That's William Shallert. He played everything from the Brady Bunch's 213 00:12:20.250 --> 00:12:24.110 doctor to Patty Duke's father for years on the Patty 214

00:12:24.149 --> 00:12:28.389 Duke show. A guy that really, much like Dolph Sweet, 215 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:30.879 worked till the end of his life. I remember him 216 00:12:30.909 --> 00:12:36.000 being in the Paper Jays television show. And also in 217 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:38.129 the 90s on Star Trek, now that I think of it, 218 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:41.899 on Deep Space Nine. No, very long career. And that's 219 00:12:41.940 --> 00:12:45.440 what I love about this movie. There are so many others. 220 00:12:45.929 --> 00:12:47.460 including Marion Ross. 221 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:49.039 Oh, yeah. 222 00:12:49.659 --> 00:12:51.500 Right there is part of the scientific team. 223 00:12:53.940 --> 00:12:54.679 And you know what? 224 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:57.330 What was so interesting that I don't know if the 225 00:12:57.370 --> 00:12:59.850 audience caught, that she was getting married to the very 226 00:12:59.909 --> 00:13:00.929 handsome guy. 227 00:13:01.289 --> 00:13:01.990 Absolutely. 228 00:13:02.090 --> 00:13:04.909 To another great character actor. And right now, I can't 229 00:13:04.929 --> 00:13:08.600 remember his name. There he is. That's a man who 230 00:13:08.620 --> 00:13:10.679 you might remember from The Six Million Dollar Man. He 231 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:16.309 was Dr. Wells, the bionic specialist that put Steve together. No, 232 00:13:16.350 --> 00:13:21.429 this movie is littered with amazing character actors. And, you know, 233 00:13:21.970 --> 00:13:23.389 I don't know who did the cast. I didn't look 234 00:13:23.450 --> 00:13:27.480 up to see who did the casting. But, you know, again, 235 00:13:27.500 --> 00:13:31.279 I point to Joe Sargent, the director. The guy's credits 236 00:13:31.340 --> 00:13:35.460 are incredible. And he always, in his films... would be 237 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:39.620 on the leads, assemble these wonderful characters. Another great movie 238 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:42.889 that Joe Sargent directed that was adapted by Rod Serling. 239 00:13:42.909 --> 00:13:44.250 I don't know if you ever saw it, V. It's 240 00:13:44.269 --> 00:13:49.850 called The Man, James Earl Jones. And he's in the cabinet, 241 00:13:50.350 --> 00:13:54.110 and several of the cabinet get killed, and suddenly he 242 00:13:54.149 --> 00:13:57.509 becomes the first black president, 1972. 243 00:13:57.820 --> 00:14:01.879 Hey, sounds like another movie we need to check out. 244 00:14:02.700 --> 00:14:03.679 No, it is. 245 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:07.120 It is. It's a strong movie. No question. We briefly 246 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:11.629 mentioned Susan Oliver, or Susan Clark. Excuse me. Webster's mom, 247 00:14:11.669 --> 00:14:15.149 of course. And she's the other big scientist, as she 248 00:14:15.190 --> 00:14:16.990 is posed next to Colossus. 249 00:14:17.470 --> 00:14:20.509 She is amazingly brilliant in this film, to me. 250 00:14:21.409 --> 00:14:23.669 I actually didn't think much of her as an actress 251 00:14:23.750

--> 00:14:25.710 watching that show with Alex Carrot. 252 00:14:25.850 --> 00:14:27.389 I really didn't. I'm going to be honest. 253 00:14:27.669 --> 00:14:29.850 Yeah. You were talked about it when we had thought 254 00:14:29.870 --> 00:14:33.419 it suggested this movie. But she plays that character to 255 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:37.320 the perfect. And she was the only other person, if 256 00:14:37.419 --> 00:14:40.480 I remember, that could talk to Colossus. 257 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:41.539 Right. 258 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:46.950 Right. Well, they established to, they realized that Colossus is 259 00:14:46.990 --> 00:14:49.409 becoming too powerful and they got to do something about it. 260 00:14:49.889 --> 00:14:54.009 So Eric Braden gets the idea of being able to 261 00:14:54.070 --> 00:14:57.769 pass information through Susan Clark. By the way, I want to, 262 00:14:57.850 --> 00:14:59.230 I do want to give her an, and you're right 263 00:14:59.629 --> 00:15:03.789 in Webster, you know, metaphorically, she was pitching underhand. I mean, 264 00:15:04.370 --> 00:15:07.860 her and I was having fun with the kid and 265 00:15:07.889 --> 00:15:10.539 that's okay, but really she was a great actress in 266 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:14.500 the seventies. She played a babe. Dietrich is a babe. 267 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:18.720 Dietrich's in Zaharias, the wonderful woman athlete of both of, 268 00:15:19.269 --> 00:15:24.059 tennis the olympics and golf and was legit real like 269 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:28.259 caitlin clark of her day for a modern comparison and 270 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.899 uh she met alex caris on that movie about babe 271 00:15:32.580 --> 00:15:34.440 and uh they fell in love and they were together 272 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:36.710 and it's kind of cool and i love alex caris 273 00:15:37.490 --> 00:15:39.490 uh colorful guy we used to have him on the 274 00:15:39.529 --> 00:15:43.210 score back in the 90s always had great stories about 275 00:15:43.230 --> 00:15:46.610 his football career and uh but but no i like 276 00:15:46.629 --> 00:15:48.769 susan clark but i understand what you're saying If you 277 00:15:48.789 --> 00:15:49.929 only know her from Webster. 278 00:15:50.629 --> 00:15:51.690 You're not impressed. 279 00:15:51.909 --> 00:15:54.850 You don't know her, John. Yeah, she's really great at it. 280 00:15:55.730 --> 00:15:58.450 And the one thing I've learned as we're talking about 281 00:15:58.509 --> 00:16:03.450 her and Eric is that when it first came out, 282 00:16:04.289 --> 00:16:08.029 after we'll talk about the box office success or non-success, 283 00:16:08.710 --> 00:16:13.080 but how this movie has stayed in our minds for decades, 284 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:16.440 the one thing that I want to point out about 285 00:16:17.090 --> 00:16:22.480 It's the scenes of intimacy between her and Eric. 286 00:16:23.059 --> 00:16:29.179 And the machine is watching the Colossus. Can you imagine? Yeah. 287 00:16:29.299 -->

00:16:32.759 No, it's insane. I meant to look it up. The 288 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:37.210 rating for the film is a rating that doesn't exist anymore. 289 00:16:37.659 --> 00:16:39.129 I remember it. I don't know if you do as 290 00:16:39.169 --> 00:16:46.990 a little kid. GP. Guided by parents. Essentially PG-13. But really, 291 00:16:47.470 --> 00:16:50.830 the rating system was a lot more liberal back then. 292 00:16:51.450 --> 00:16:55.149 And I know movies where they swore, and yet they 293 00:16:55.190 --> 00:16:58.230 were rated G. So, I mean, I don't think things 294 00:16:58.269 --> 00:17:01.610 got really intense until the 80s and 90s and the 295 00:17:01.870 --> 00:17:06.109 advent of PG-13. But yeah, there were a lot of weird, like, 296 00:17:06.150 --> 00:17:10.079 kind of ratings. And GP was the rating for this movie. 297 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:14.700 And yeah, you're right. I mean, they opaque when... Susan 298 00:17:14.740 --> 00:17:18.440 Clark and Eric Braden were nude because, yeah, he basically 299 00:17:18.460 --> 00:17:23.619 Eric Braden cons the computer that she's my I'm having 300 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:26.839 a affair with her. We have a relationship and we 301 00:17:26.859 --> 00:17:30.059 need privacy time. And he has to negotiate it as 302 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:34.819 Colossus starts to understand the nature of humanity, various things 303 00:17:34.859 --> 00:17:37.880 like privacy and stuff. But it's all on his terms. 304 00:17:38.460 --> 00:17:42.049 And he really had to even negotiate. No, it's four 305 00:17:42.089 --> 00:17:42.589 nights a week. 306 00:17:43.019 --> 00:17:43.279 Right. 307 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:44.619 He was like, every day. 308 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:47.140 He was like, no. I think that's hilarious. He's like, 309 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:47.599 every day. 310 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:50.180 Every day? You don't need it every day. Yeah, how 311 00:17:50.220 --> 00:17:52.460 much do you need every day? No, no, no. How 312 00:17:52.500 --> 00:17:55.240 much do you need? Right. And he's like, all right, 313 00:17:55.339 --> 00:17:58.420 four times a week. Okay, fine. Yeah, pretty funny. 314 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:01.119 Those moments are incredible. 315 00:18:03.660 --> 00:18:07.200 As Travis points out, Colossus was superior in that it 316 00:18:07.220 --> 00:18:10.369 would not have emotions as part of its decisions. Yes, 317 00:18:10.789 --> 00:18:14.490 that was... the thought in terms of, again, let us 318 00:18:14.549 --> 00:18:18.039 put our military in these hands. Also, I wanted to mention, 319 00:18:18.059 --> 00:18:22.380 I didn't look up his name, but here's the president 320 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:26.779 on the right. Who does that face evoke to you 321 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:28.380 in real life, V? 322 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:31.480 John F. Kennedy. Hello. 323 00:18:31.500 --> 00:18:36.480 I think that was, to me, right there. And look 324 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:37.799 at his liberal cabinet. 325 00:18:38.549 --> 00:18:43.130 Okay. He had a very liberal cabinet. And he was 326 00:18:43.230 --> 00:18:44.730 such an easygoing guy. 327 00:18:45.130 --> 00:18:45.509 Sure. 328 00:18:45.549 --> 00:18:48.380 Go ahead, Charles. Go ahead. And they're partying at the 329 00:18:48.410 --> 00:18:54.230 White House. They're on their. 330 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:56.299 Space, FaceTiming each other and congratulating each other. 331 00:18:56.440 --> 00:19:01.319 I thought that was genius. And think of how we 332 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:03.680 are there now. 333 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:05.220 Yeah. 334 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:09.829 We are doing everything that's in that movie now. 335 00:19:09.970 --> 00:19:12.609 And did you know that they originally wanted to set 336 00:19:12.650 --> 00:19:14.460 this movie into the 90s? 337 00:19:14.930 --> 00:19:15.109 Sure. 338 00:19:15.170 --> 00:19:17.609 And they said, no, we want to set it to 339 00:19:17.670 --> 00:19:22.160 now so it can be even more disturbing. Right. 340 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:25.940 And also, this is the era of Soylent Green and 341 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:28.220 the Planet of the Apes movies. In fact, Travis here 342 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:30.740 makes a comment about Planet of the Apes was rated G, 343 00:19:31.140 --> 00:19:33.660 as was Beneath. In which Taylor blew up the world. 344 00:19:33.940 --> 00:19:34.180 Yeah. 345 00:19:34.380 --> 00:19:37.750 And I think escape was as well, where they shoot 346 00:19:37.789 --> 00:19:40.109 a baby ape, but still. 347 00:19:40.130 --> 00:19:44.150 You know, Eric is the actor who shoots the baby. 348 00:19:44.150 --> 00:19:45.380 Absolutely. 349 00:19:45.380 --> 00:19:48.339 Yes. In escape from the planet. 350 00:19:48.339 --> 00:19:48.619 Of the Apes. 351 00:19:48.910 --> 00:19:51.880 Well, again, Eric Braden, fascinating guy. 352 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:55.440 Still with us. So glad that he's still around. Not 353 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:58.220 only Young and the Restless, but there's a great video 354 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:02.799 podcast and audio podcast that Steve Kometko, the old Entertainment 355 00:20:02.819 --> 00:20:06.950 Tonight reporter and host, does. It's called Still Here. And 356 00:20:07.029 --> 00:20:09.230 back in the spring, I remember when I was having 357 00:20:09.250 --> 00:20:12.970 my shitty radio job that I've told everybody about, including V, 358 00:20:14.089 --> 00:20:18.990 that as I was driving to Palatine, Illinois, I listened 359 00:20:19.009 --> 00:20:22.250 to this interview. It was amazing because really he was 360 00:20:22.329 --> 00:20:25.839 born in West Germany. He lived and really actually was 361 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:26.819 born in Germany. 362 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:27.539 Right. 363 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:34.109 And kind of experienced the Nazi atmosphere. And thank God 364 00:20:34.150 --> 00:20:36.849 he got out. Also, and I don't know if this 365 00:20:36.950 --> 00:20:41.509 is true or

not, V, because he was in Rat Patrol, 366 00:20:42.490 --> 00:20:44.910 a World War II show. And I think it was 367 00:20:44.970 --> 00:20:46.089 before Colossus. 368 00:20:46.509 --> 00:20:49.009 But I was watching- He did a lot of, hey, 369 00:20:49.049 --> 00:20:51.309 let me help you. Let me tag team you, John. 370 00:20:51.690 --> 00:20:57.450 He did a lot of different German Nazi soldiers when 371 00:20:57.470 --> 00:21:00.880 he first started acting. He did not have that name. 372 00:21:01.960 --> 00:21:05.900 And- There is a great interview on YouTube, if you 373 00:21:05.940 --> 00:21:09.240 look it up, about how he feels about having to 374 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:12.500 deal with the success that he's about to have. And 375 00:21:12.539 --> 00:21:15.289 he can feel he's having it and the prejudice that 376 00:21:15.329 --> 00:21:18.410 he feels because he can't be who he really is. 377 00:21:18.769 --> 00:21:21.890 Yeah. People relate to that, huh? 378 00:21:22.230 --> 00:21:25.150 Hello. So are you saying because and again, maybe I 379 00:21:25.170 --> 00:21:27.109 get I'm getting my dates mixed up. I meant to 380 00:21:27.130 --> 00:21:30.490 I was telling V right before this. I mean, literally, 381 00:21:30.779 --> 00:21:34.420 like up until minutes before we started, I'm uploading photos, 382 00:21:34.740 --> 00:21:37.380 I'm doing video, etc. But I meant to look up on, 383 00:21:37.460 --> 00:21:39.460 and maybe somebody in the chat might look this up, 384 00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:44.740 that if Rat Patrol was prior to Colossus, and what 385 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:47.980 was his credit when he played the lead Nazi in 386 00:21:48.019 --> 00:21:51.940 Rat Patrol? And a very, very effective, and again, you can't, 387 00:21:52.180 --> 00:21:54.549 the guy's charming. Even when he's a bad guy, like 388 00:21:54.609 --> 00:21:56.269 in Escape from the Planet of the Apes, he's a 389 00:21:56.329 --> 00:22:00.599 charming guy. But, and he really was despite being a 390 00:22:00.660 --> 00:22:03.180 Nazi in Rat Patrol, you know, kind of one of 391 00:22:03.220 --> 00:22:08.059 those bad guys that, you know, yeah, charming adversary. Well, 392 00:22:08.099 --> 00:22:10.700 how else can I describe it? Certainly, and again, this 393 00:22:10.740 --> 00:22:13.900 is the era of Hogan's Heroes. So nobody, and it 394 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:16.460 was only 20 years after World War II. So nobody 395 00:22:16.509 --> 00:22:19.690 really blinked if you had a charismatic Nazi back then. 396 00:22:20.009 --> 00:22:21.829 I know today it would be terrible and shocking. 397 00:22:23.029 --> 00:22:30.460 But I wanted to, yeah, This is the first movie 398 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:32.240 he is known as Eric Braven. 399 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:33.700 Okay, there you go. 400 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:37.740 And his previous acting in the television shows, I don't 401 00:22:37.779 --> 00:22:40.000 want to mispronounce his name, but. 402 00:22:40.180 --> 00:22:41.960 He had to use that name. 403 00:22:43.390 --> 00:22:47.230 And he had two things to me that were, I 404 00:22:47.269 --> 00:22:49.210 just have to say as we continue on with this movie, 405 00:22:49.230 --> 00:22:51.710 and he has such a great interview. And then he 406 00:22:51.730 --> 00:22:55.680 was at the Turner Classic Movie Convention. They screened the 407 00:22:55.720 --> 00:22:56.720 movie last year, 2025. 408 00:22:56.700 --> 00:22:59.339 I wish I had known. I would have been in 409 00:22:59.359 --> 00:22:59.980 that audience. 410 00:23:00.980 --> 00:23:05.779 And he talks about the movie and his experiences. But 411 00:23:05.799 --> 00:23:09.500 the main thing that he talks about that is really 412 00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:11.200 kind of off the cuff. Did you know that he 413 00:23:11.220 --> 00:23:14.460 could have been the James Bond before Sean Connery? 414 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:19.019 Did you really that far back? 1962? 415 00:23:19.019 --> 00:23:21.900 Yes. He had a meeting with one of the broccoli gentlemen. 416 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:24.549 I think the Gibby or Gubby or Cubby. 417 00:23:24.940 --> 00:23:27.160 Gubby. Yes. Cubby with a C. Cubby. 418 00:23:27.700 --> 00:23:33.160 Cubby! Sorry, sorry. And he was at the. 419 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:37.609 He was describing that before he had done the movie 420 00:23:37.619 --> 00:23:40.450 or before he had changed his name, nobody knew who 421 00:23:40.490 --> 00:23:40.930 he was. 422 00:23:40.950 --> 00:23:42.990 Nobody really cared. He was sitting at the commissary. 423 00:23:43.410 --> 00:23:45.730 And that all these big gentlemen at the studio would 424 00:23:45.769 --> 00:23:48.250 come by the commissary and stop at tables of stars. 425 00:23:49.210 --> 00:23:52.630 So they did... It was before this movie. You're right. 426 00:23:52.750 --> 00:23:54.460 Wayne says that. Hey, Wayne! 427 00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:56.500 Rap Patrol was before the movie. Yes, thank you. 428 00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:56.599 Yes. 429 00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:00.289 Wayne's talking to us live from New York. He's at 430 00:24:00.329 --> 00:24:01.890 New York Comic Con. Go ahead. 431 00:24:01.910 --> 00:24:03.710 I love that guy. But you know why I love you, Wayne. 432 00:24:03.750 --> 00:24:07.950 But anyway, the other part that was really important about 433 00:24:08.269 --> 00:24:11.569 this is that once he changed his name to Eric Braden, 434 00:24:12.170 --> 00:24:13.569 all of a sudden he was Mr. 435 00:24:13.609 --> 00:24:14.069 Popular. 436 00:24:14.589 --> 00:24:17.710 Where the people in the studio would pass him by, 437 00:24:18.190 --> 00:24:20.609 they came up to him and he describes in an interview. 438 00:24:20.650 --> 00:24:21.609 Thank you for that picture. 439 00:24:22.130 --> 00:24:26.369 He describes in an interview he felt elation and then compute. 440 00:24:26.980 --> 00:24:28.480 Humiliation in the same moment. 441 00:24:28.740 --> 00:24:31.259 Hey, look, this is about to happen for me,

but 442 00:24:31.299 --> 00:24:33.759 it has to happen in this way. And of course, 443 00:24:33.819 --> 00:24:38.220 I got to add the woman, his wife said, don't worry, honey, 444 00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:40.700 you're about to be hot anyway. 445 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:45.079 You know, honestly, and I don't have any pictures of 446 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:49.619 him from the 70s on once he grew the mustache. Again, 447 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:52.849 you can tell even from this photo, good looking guy. 448 00:24:53.180 --> 00:24:57.420 When he got the mustache, even more so. And he's 449 00:24:57.460 --> 00:25:01.440 in a terrific Mary Tyler Moore episode where he plays 450 00:25:01.500 --> 00:25:06.460 an obnoxious movie and theater critic that is trying to 451 00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:10.440 charm Mary. And he is on the news doing reviews 452 00:25:10.980 --> 00:25:15.740 and is hilariously an asshole. And it's great. 453 00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:17.599 Like Victor Newman. 454 00:25:17.740 --> 00:25:20.160 Well, you know, yeah, but he can do comedy as 455 00:25:20.220 --> 00:25:23.180 well as doing straight up drama and stuff. No, he's great. 456 00:25:23.769 --> 00:25:25.829 I want to finish that last point before we continue 457 00:25:25.849 --> 00:25:29.289 with the movie with him. The reason that he did 458 00:25:29.410 --> 00:25:33.470 not get the part was something really small. 459 00:25:33.869 --> 00:25:35.250 He didn't have a British passport. 460 00:25:36.730 --> 00:25:38.599 Wow. That's very interesting. 461 00:25:39.500 --> 00:25:42.819 So that makes me tell everybody else, get a passport. 462 00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:43.619 You never know. 463 00:25:44.299 --> 00:25:48.119 There's an opportunity somewhere else. And I'm in the process. 464 00:25:48.220 --> 00:25:50.319 That's why he lost the part. 465 00:25:50.740 --> 00:25:53.269 Was he still in Europe? Was he still in Europe 466 00:25:53.309 --> 00:25:57.779 back then? Okay, fine. Yeah, I don't know. Honestly, again, 467 00:25:57.799 --> 00:25:59.880 I didn't have time to look up how he got 468 00:25:59.920 --> 00:26:03.500 involved with Rat Patrol, the Christopher George World War II show. 469 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:05.180 I don't know if you remember that show at all, V. 470 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:09.700 I saw pictures of it when I was looking up 471 00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:12.960 his interview, but I didn't know. 472 00:26:13.259 --> 00:26:17.140 It was set in Africa in the desert. So it 473 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:19.329 was the Rommel kind of. 474 00:26:21.500 --> 00:26:26.220 The Allies against the German General Rommel. And, you know, 475 00:26:26.380 --> 00:26:29.420 Eric Braden basically played like one of the, again, like 476 00:26:29.460 --> 00:26:31.579 a colonel in it and everything. But he was a 477 00:26:31.619 --> 00:26:34.549 recurring villain on Rat Patrol. And that's back, you know, 478 00:26:34.569 --> 00:26:39.490 when Combat was on and several other World War II 479 00:26:39.529 --> 00:26:42.250 kind of shows. Again, it was only 10, you know, 480 00:26:42.250 --> 00:26:45.210 20 years earlier that World War II happened. Like it 481 00:26:45.250 --> 00:26:47.410 or not, kids, that was part of the Zeitgeist back then. 482 00:26:47.809 --> 00:26:52.650 Lots of soldier... in action world war two shows back then. 483 00:26:53.430 --> 00:26:55.970 That was TV. Um, I also wanted to point out 484 00:26:56.309 --> 00:26:59.170 one of my favorite characters who I didn't recognize for 485 00:26:59.210 --> 00:27:01.990 most of the movie. And I'm like, I know who 486 00:27:02.009 --> 00:27:08.930 this is. Well said George Stanford Brown, everybody. Absolutely. Uh, 487 00:27:08.970 --> 00:27:14.009 one of the best, the rookies, uh, roots, uh, also 488 00:27:14.130 --> 00:27:18.559 for 24 years, married a time daily, uh, That was. 489 00:27:18.460 --> 00:27:20.880 Just on Facebook. They just had an anniversary. That was 490 00:27:20.940 --> 00:27:22.960 all over Facebook. I wanted to mention that. 491 00:27:23.660 --> 00:27:27.529 And that he directed Emmy Award-winning Hill Street Blues shows. 492 00:27:28.029 --> 00:27:33.650 Absolutely. And his wife in Cagney and Lacey. Hello. So, yeah, no, really, no, 493 00:27:33.710 --> 00:27:36.190 great career, both in front of the camera and behind 494 00:27:36.210 --> 00:27:41.359 the camera. So another fantastic actor. And really, unfortunately, George 495 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:42.799 doesn't have a lot to do in this, but he's 496 00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:46.400 part of Eric Braden's science team. Another great actor, James Hong, 497 00:27:47.019 --> 00:27:49.400 who– I don't know if he's still around or not, 498 00:27:49.420 --> 00:27:50.619 but I know he made it to at least a 499 00:27:50.660 --> 00:27:54.859 hundred and he was in everything, everywhere, all at once. 500 00:27:54.940 --> 00:27:56.900 The Oscar winning movie. 501 00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:00.650 Oscar winning show about daughter love, mother and daughter love. 502 00:28:00.730 --> 00:28:01.890 I love it. Yeah. 503 00:28:01.990 --> 00:28:03.829 I was going to ask you about him because I couldn't, 504 00:28:04.349 --> 00:28:06.650 I was looking up so much about George Stanford. 505 00:28:07.109 --> 00:28:11.130 You covered all the stuff about George Stanford, the rookies 506 00:28:11.190 --> 00:28:11.789 and all of that. 507 00:28:12.349 --> 00:28:16.119 But I think, To me, this movie seems to be 508 00:28:16.150 --> 00:28:18.279 a launching point for so many of these people who 509 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:21.519 were in this movie. As bad as this movie, there was, 510 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:24.759 according to the movie industry notes of that. 511 00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:27.400 Time, we were in a depression in the movies. 512 00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:30.440 What do you mean? What do you mean a depression? 513 00:28:30.500 --> 00:28:32.299 People weren't going into the movies. 514 00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:36.700 Eric

Brayden describes it like people just weren't going to 515 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:37.119 the movies. 516 00:28:37.140 --> 00:28:38.119 They weren't interested. 517 00:28:38.769 --> 00:28:41.349 And a lot of studios were trying to find what 518 00:28:41.390 --> 00:28:44.730 was happening. And this was before, of course, Jaws. And 519 00:28:44.750 --> 00:28:48.369 the only other movie of that year was one other 520 00:28:48.410 --> 00:28:53.329 movie of that year that made that kind of critical acclaim. 521 00:28:54.730 --> 00:28:57.049 And you know how we always talk about being Ebert 522 00:28:57.089 --> 00:28:59.250 and Cisco. You know, Roger gave it three out of 523 00:28:59.289 --> 00:28:59.970 four stars. 524 00:29:01.430 --> 00:29:05.670 That surprised me. Roger Ebert loves genre fiction. He always 525 00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:09.480 stepped up when it like the best example of that. 526 00:29:09.869 --> 00:29:12.769 was a movie like Dark City from the early 90s 527 00:29:13.230 --> 00:29:16.970 that didn't do well at the box office. But again, 528 00:29:17.369 --> 00:29:20.450 Roger got it. The only time that he surprised me 529 00:29:20.650 --> 00:29:24.400 in terms of not liking a film was Kick-Ass. And 530 00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:29.900 the reason why was because when Nicolas Cage is testing 531 00:29:29.940 --> 00:29:34.160 his daughter and his daughter has the Kevlar vest... And 532 00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:38.569 he shoots his daughter. Again, to toughen her up, he's like, 533 00:29:38.609 --> 00:29:41.460 that's horrible. And it's like... she's wearing a vest, and 534 00:29:41.539 --> 00:29:43.640 I go, you know, it's kind of part of the story, dude. 535 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:46.799 And again, I was really surprised, because like I said, no, 536 00:29:47.140 --> 00:29:50.299 you know, Star Trek, Star Wars, you name it, Ebert 537 00:29:50.339 --> 00:29:52.519 was the guy that liked genre fiction. So it really 538 00:29:52.539 --> 00:29:54.380 doesn't surprise me that Ebert loved it. 539 00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:56.640 I think the parallels that we talked about just earlier 540 00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.309 this week with Lanterns, and how Jon Stewart was being 541 00:30:00.349 --> 00:30:05.670 shot at by his father and how this whole idea 542 00:30:05.789 --> 00:30:09.109 of what is appropriate and not appropriate for children is changing. 543 00:30:10.529 --> 00:30:13.710 Uh, Wayne says, uh, James Bond is 97. Still impressive. 544 00:30:16.789 --> 00:30:17.750 Thank you, Wayne. 545 00:30:18.089 --> 00:30:20.529 And getting his due, uh, as far as, uh, I 546 00:30:20.569 --> 00:30:24.450 think Asian American actors and stuff. No, people really appreciate him. 547 00:30:24.809 --> 00:30:26.190 And I know, like, I know he's got a star 548 00:30:26.250 --> 00:30:29.380 on the walk of fame. Um, Again, that's why I 549 00:30:29.420 --> 00:30:32.539 love this movie, because it is peppered with these character actors. 550 00:30:32.819 --> 00:30:36.220 Like you said, that later had bigger success. It doesn't 551 00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:38.019 surprise me. I actually tried to look up. Let me 552 00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:43.640 see if I found it. Well, okay. I tried to 553 00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:46.539 look it up. I can't find a casting director, but 554 00:30:46.700 --> 00:30:50.289 according to the AFI, the American Film Institute, Joe Sargent 555 00:30:50.329 --> 00:30:55.049 was heavily involved in casting in a lot of his things. 556 00:30:55.150 --> 00:30:58.039 And by the way, it's So here he is again. 557 00:30:58.140 --> 00:30:59.980 I want to put up the president. His name is 558 00:31:00.019 --> 00:31:00.859 Gordon Pinset. 559 00:31:03.009 --> 00:31:06.309 So and I'll see them in anything else, though, John, 560 00:31:06.369 --> 00:31:08.890 was he in anything else? 561 00:31:09.210 --> 00:31:09.490 I will. 562 00:31:09.650 --> 00:31:11.569 I will defer to if Wayne wants to continue to 563 00:31:11.710 --> 00:31:17.730 do that. To me, it would seem to be a 564 00:31:17.769 --> 00:31:21.250 familiar face. Not as familiar as Dolph Swede or William 565 00:31:21.309 --> 00:31:23.190 Shallard or Marion Ross. 566 00:31:23.690 --> 00:31:26.230 Susan Clarke. 567 00:31:26.269 --> 00:31:29.150 Yeah, but again, Susan's like one of the leads. I'm 568 00:31:29.170 --> 00:31:33.049 talking about all the little people that are in the movie. 569 00:31:33.109 --> 00:31:36.549 And again, I suppose Gordon, being the president, certainly had 570 00:31:36.569 --> 00:31:40.559 a bit more to do. Again, I like the war 571 00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:45.450 room atmosphere. The Situation Room, The Giant, as we said, 572 00:31:45.490 --> 00:31:48.069 the way the computers were laid out. This is such 573 00:31:48.109 --> 00:31:51.619 an impressive movie. It's not a big action movie. It's 574 00:31:51.660 --> 00:31:55.339 a thinking movie. Remember thinking movies? Remember movies that actually 575 00:31:55.380 --> 00:32:01.349 made you debate and think? Again, I miss that. I'm 576 00:32:01.410 --> 00:32:04.390 sorry to say. And they're out there, but again, they're 577 00:32:04.410 --> 00:32:05.690 few and far between, it seems. 578 00:32:06.309 --> 00:32:08.369 I was going to say the dialogue is immense. 579 00:32:08.890 --> 00:32:13.440 The screenwriting is right on point. In fact, there was 580 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:14.920 a lot in the book. 581 00:32:16.539 --> 00:32:21.220 That was kind of clunky, hard to understand that the screenwriter, 582 00:32:21.259 --> 00:32:23.339 I'm trying to look for the name, somebody help me, 583 00:32:23.819 --> 00:32:24.880 who put it together. 584 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:30.359 And there were moments of levity, right? In the darkest 585 00:32:30.380 --> 00:32:34.140 of moments, right? And that the. 586 00:32:34.099 --> 00:32:37.480 Whole point, I mean, I was watching it again today 587 00:32:38.069 --> 00:32:42.769 Because it's still, the first five minutes are the

slowest 588 00:32:42.829 --> 00:32:43.589 part of the movie. 589 00:32:44.089 --> 00:32:48.569 That's it. And that's just him walking from where he 590 00:32:48.769 --> 00:32:50.930 is to meeting everybody in the room. 591 00:32:51.059 --> 00:32:54.200 That is the slowest part of the movie because everything 592 00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:56.599 else is a great detail. 593 00:32:57.019 --> 00:33:00.079 And you talk about this director doing, taking Pelham one, two, three. 594 00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:02.460 I watched that with Walter Malkoff. 595 00:33:02.819 --> 00:33:06.339 There was a lot of little details in that movie. 596 00:33:06.730 --> 00:33:09.009 that made the difference like this one. 597 00:33:09.769 --> 00:33:11.789 I believe, you first, go ahead, John. 598 00:33:11.809 --> 00:33:14.369 No, I was just gonna say, with Pelham, much like 599 00:33:14.410 --> 00:33:17.329 this movie, peppered with great character actors, but go ahead, 600 00:33:17.349 --> 00:33:17.930 what else you got? 601 00:33:18.859 --> 00:33:22.460 I was gonna say that the way that the movie 602 00:33:22.539 --> 00:33:26.960 is paced, because it starts kind of slow, and then 603 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:31.940 it changes pace when Colossus speaks with Guardian, and they're 604 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:35.670 trying to have that same language. And the first scene 605 00:33:35.710 --> 00:33:40.210 of the 00111, straight out of the matrix, straight out 606 00:33:40.259 --> 00:33:40.910 of the matrix. 607 00:33:41.140 --> 00:33:42.000 Sure, sure. 608 00:33:42.859 --> 00:33:43.599 When they're talking. 609 00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:48.279 And then the fact that they find the language through math, 610 00:33:48.819 --> 00:33:51.660 a universal language. 611 00:33:51.819 --> 00:33:56.319 That they learn first, glasses is talking to the machine. 612 00:33:56.380 --> 00:33:58.980 It's like, okay, this is two times two equals four, 613 00:33:59.380 --> 00:34:01.140 two times five equals 10. 614 00:34:01.140 --> 00:34:03.339 You know, it's giving the simple stuff that you learn. 615 00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:06.789 And then- The detail that I don't know if anybody 616 00:34:06.809 --> 00:34:12.909 picked up. They've learned so much in 30 seconds. 617 00:34:13.469 --> 00:34:13.670 Right. 618 00:34:13.969 --> 00:34:16.989 Five years of knowledge in 30 seconds. 619 00:34:17.050 --> 00:34:20.980 Well, and further, and again, echoing what is happening now 620 00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.699 with AI. I'm not going to call it super intelligence. 621 00:34:23.739 --> 00:34:27.599 Me either. Me either, John. We're on the same boat. 622 00:34:27.619 --> 00:34:30.659 But the fact that, you know, we had this incident 623 00:34:30.699 --> 00:34:33.570 that just happened a couple of weeks ago. where a 624 00:34:33.610 --> 00:34:38.780 bunch of AI went rogue and everyone now is postulating 625 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:43.900 as they use English to teach all the various AIs 626 00:34:43.940 --> 00:34:46.960 that are out there. What is to stop them from 627 00:34:47.019 --> 00:34:50.550 creating their own language within the AIs that we don't speak? 628 00:34:50.849 --> 00:34:53.889 And you see that in the movie because ultimately Guardian 629 00:34:54.269 --> 00:34:58.409 and Colossus, there are moments where there's not even symbols 630 00:34:58.469 --> 00:35:02.190 that are recognizable as math or whatever. And again, it's 631 00:35:02.230 --> 00:35:05.210 the two computers kind of talking to each other. Wayne 632 00:35:05.590 --> 00:35:08.030 wants us to know that Gordon, the actor that plays 633 00:35:08.050 --> 00:35:10.880 the president, great Canadian actor who also appeared in The 634 00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.480 Time of the Crown Affair with Steve McQueen and Blackula, 635 00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:16.159 the fantastic vampire movie. 636 00:35:16.739 --> 00:35:16.880 Yes. 637 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:18.059 Wayne is right. 638 00:35:18.460 --> 00:35:21.320 Wayne is right. I remember Blackula. Now I remember his 639 00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:24.190 face in Blackula. Good call, Wayne. 640 00:35:24.449 --> 00:35:28.429 And I didn't even realize the 90s Mountie comedy Due South, 641 00:35:29.070 --> 00:35:32.380 he played the Mountie's father. So that's pretty cool. 642 00:35:32.860 --> 00:35:33.800 Yeah, that is great. 643 00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:38.360 Yes, I agree. Unfortunately, Travis, you're right. Sci-fi with no pew-pew, 644 00:35:38.420 --> 00:35:42.119 the ray guns. Not much of that around these. I'm 645 00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.420 kind of hoping, V. I mean, again, V's been very 646 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:50.360 tolerant of my frustrations with Star Trek. As I enjoy 647 00:35:50.380 --> 00:35:52.719 the old ones from the 80s and 90s, and there 648 00:35:52.780 --> 00:35:55.619 are concerns, and we're seeing it now with the mergers, 649 00:35:56.099 --> 00:35:59.110 they're cutting back in all these different ways, and you 650 00:35:59.139 --> 00:36:02.019 can make a cheaper Star Trek movie than what they've 651 00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:04.400 been spending on the TV shows. Because if you go 652 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:08.449 back and watch, especially the original series movies, there's a 653 00:36:08.489 --> 00:36:11.329 lot of talking. And there's a lot of discussion of 654 00:36:12.070 --> 00:36:17.050 debatable situations beyond alien planets that you can apply to today. 655 00:36:17.469 --> 00:36:19.809 And again, it was more philosophical. There was a point 656 00:36:19.889 --> 00:36:23.710 to it beyond Pew Pew. And I'm hoping that whoever 657 00:36:23.929 --> 00:36:29.230 takes over Star Trek in general... remembers that. So Chris Parnell, 658 00:36:29.269 --> 00:36:31.309 if you happen to be watching, the guy in charge 659 00:36:31.369 --> 00:36:35.280 of Paramount Programming and supposedly the guy who loves Star Trek, 660 00:36:35.820 --> 00:36:38.739 I mean, that is the... I mean, certainly diversity is important, 661 00:36:39.019

--> 00:36:40.920 and let's hang on to that. Let's get back to 662 00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:42.000 smart science fiction. 663 00:36:42.139 --> 00:36:46.780 Let's get back to making people think. This movie makes 664 00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:49.789 you think. It thinks about the characters. 665 00:36:49.909 --> 00:36:54.090 It thinks about how the president to the cabinet to 666 00:36:54.110 --> 00:36:56.369 the CIA guy to. 667 00:36:57.070 --> 00:36:57.670 Russia. 668 00:36:59.289 --> 00:37:01.190 Yeah, they're working with Russia. Again, in the midst of 669 00:37:01.210 --> 00:37:06.699 the Cold War. Yes, Wayne is our Wayne-opedia. He's hilarious. 670 00:37:06.739 --> 00:37:10.639 Thank you, Wayne. But no, that is another interesting wrinkle 671 00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:13.619 to the movie. And in fact, the other thing is 672 00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:17.219 when finally Colossus gets a voice. Did you look up 673 00:37:17.510 --> 00:37:18.829 who played the voice of Colossus? 674 00:37:18.849 --> 00:37:24.730 Paul Freese. Paul Freese, a very great. Kind of on-air 675 00:37:24.769 --> 00:37:27.489 announcer I want to be. His voice was everywhere. 676 00:37:27.989 --> 00:37:30.949 And they still changed it because they wanted it to 677 00:37:31.030 --> 00:37:34.719 sound less human, cold, and crass. 678 00:37:34.909 --> 00:37:36.050 And I think they really did it. 679 00:37:36.659 --> 00:37:38.519 Oh, absolutely. But I want to give you some of 680 00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:43.719 Paul Freese's credits. Everything from the narrator at the end 681 00:37:44.019 --> 00:37:46.420 of Beneath the Planet of the Apes when they blow 682 00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:48.260 up the world and he says, somewhere off in the 683 00:37:48.300 --> 00:37:52.219 far distance, an insignificant green planet is now dead. He 684 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:56.039 was also the narrator at Disneyland's Haunted Mansion for decades, 685 00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:59.300 might still be. I think he is. He was Boris 686 00:37:59.380 --> 00:38:02.420 Badenoff and a million other voices on the Rocky and 687 00:38:02.460 --> 00:38:07.099 Bullwinkle cartoons. But here's a snippet of him from Colossus. 688 00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.659 And yeah, they harmonize the voice. But if you know 689 00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:12.070 Paul Freese, you could tell who it is. 690 00:38:12.099 --> 00:38:14.980 The United States of America and the Union of Soviet 691 00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:20.170 Socialist Republics have made an attempt to obstruct me. I 692 00:38:20.210 --> 00:38:23.199 have allowed this sabotage to continue until now. 693 00:38:25.340 --> 00:38:26.179 Paul Freese, everyone. 694 00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:31.579 I love, I have allowed this sabotage to continue until now. 695 00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:32.579 Yeah. 696 00:38:32.619 --> 00:38:34.920 Well, again, he was wise to what they were trying 697 00:38:34.940 --> 00:38:37.929 to do. But it gets cold. I mean, my God, 698 00:38:37.969 --> 00:38:43.590 we've got executions out in front. By the way, another supposed, 699 00:38:43.610 --> 00:38:47.489 according to the New York Times, the Fort Hood shooter, V, 700 00:38:47.550 --> 00:38:50.090 I swear to God this is true, And literally, I 701 00:38:50.130 --> 00:38:52.130 saw it minutes before we started recording. 702 00:38:52.150 --> 00:38:53.230 It's going to get a live. 703 00:38:54.489 --> 00:38:58.400 Public execution, everybody. The day after my birthday. Hey, happy birthday, John. 704 00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:00.320 Want to watch somebody live die? 705 00:39:00.539 --> 00:39:01.820 It's after your birthday. 706 00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:05.119 It's not before. It's the day after. Let's enjoy your 707 00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.719 birthday before we go crazy into the chaos of seeing 708 00:39:08.780 --> 00:39:12.760 a live execution. On the United States soil. Something that 709 00:39:12.780 --> 00:39:13.480 hasn't happened. And done in 90 years. 710 00:39:13.500 --> 00:39:14.079 That's a fact. 1800s. Yeah. 711 00:39:19.550 --> 00:39:24.550 Yeah, and the fact that it's under the circumstances is 712 00:39:24.590 --> 00:39:25.289 just beyond me. 713 00:39:25.389 --> 00:39:26.449 And speaking of that. 714 00:39:26.469 --> 00:39:27.269 I did a calculation of. 715 00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:31.739 how many people Colossus killed. 716 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:37.960 Do we know how many people Colossus killed? 717 00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:38.800 6,330 people. 718 00:39:39.659 --> 00:39:42.190 Well, because he first of all, he kills the Soviet 719 00:39:42.210 --> 00:39:46.769 scientist that is Eric Braden's equal. And then he kills the. 720 00:39:48.610 --> 00:39:51.170 Two of the other guys that were plotting before the 721 00:39:51.190 --> 00:39:53.730 scene I just happened to do. And then, yeah, he 722 00:39:53.769 --> 00:39:57.969 blows up the nuclear, two different nuclear sites. One of them, 723 00:39:58.010 --> 00:40:02.500 Dolph Sweet's site. I don't know if William Shallard survived 724 00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:06.500 or not. I don't think he did, frankly. Poor Patty Duke. 725 00:40:07.019 --> 00:40:08.659 No father, Patty. 726 00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:12.119 I'm sorry. No, he did not survive. And then he 727 00:40:12.179 --> 00:40:14.949 had a little remark like, ooh. 728 00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:19.760 I'm not surprised what's going to happen next. 729 00:40:20.050 --> 00:40:24.750 Yeah, lit up a cigarette and boom. And again, this 730 00:40:24.829 --> 00:40:26.769 is another reason why I like this movie. This is 731 00:40:26.849 --> 00:40:29.409 from the era where, no, you're not going to get 732 00:40:29.429 --> 00:40:32.590 a happy ending. Again, Soylent Green, the Planet of the 733 00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:37.400 Apes movies, and this movie. Not to mention straight-up dramas 734 00:40:37.460 --> 00:40:40.820 that had unhappy endings. But that's the thing, man. No, 735 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:45.260 Colossus wins. And Eric Braden is pissed as hell and 736

00:40:45.579 --> 00:40:49.500 kind of defiant with his speech, but he's kind of powerless. 737 00:40:50.099 --> 00:40:52.960 And as you mentioned, V, it's based on not only 738 00:40:53.059 --> 00:40:57.460 one novel, they made three novels in the 60s. I've 739 00:40:57.500 --> 00:40:58.480 never read the novels. 740 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.199 Me either. But I want to, and I'm going to. 741 00:41:01.579 --> 00:41:02.239 I'm curious. 742 00:41:02.699 --> 00:41:03.199 I'm going to. 743 00:41:03.219 --> 00:41:05.800 It feels like a Game of Thrones moment for me, 744 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:07.659 that I need to read the books. 745 00:41:08.219 --> 00:41:08.619 Okay. 746 00:41:09.090 --> 00:41:13.090 So really understand it, but The disturbing parts of this 747 00:41:13.610 --> 00:41:18.289 movie is every year or every decade, there's something about 748 00:41:18.349 --> 00:41:20.929 the movie that makes it real life. 749 00:41:21.809 --> 00:41:23.159 And to have this. 750 00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:26.780 Now, you've got to understand that they shot that Russian 751 00:41:26.820 --> 00:41:29.639 doctor where the guy is crying. 752 00:41:29.699 --> 00:41:33.320 He's his friend. Remember? He's crying. 753 00:41:33.940 --> 00:41:36.239 And explaining to him in Russian, you've got to go, man, 754 00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:38.550 because we've got to save millions of people, so you've 755 00:41:38.570 --> 00:41:38.969 got to go. 756 00:41:39.449 --> 00:41:41.849 And then here we go with Star Trek, Wayne. I 757 00:41:41.889 --> 00:41:44.889 thought maybe you might throw that in there. 758 00:41:45.590 --> 00:41:50.829 The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. 759 00:41:51.269 --> 00:41:55.769 Sure, sure. Wayne makes a more direct comparison. As he says, 760 00:41:55.849 --> 00:42:00.130 Colossus is the precursor to Skynet and Terminator 2 and 761 00:42:02.610 --> 00:42:05.309 Warp from War Games. I didn't remember it. I remember 762 00:42:05.329 --> 00:42:06.289 it being called Joshua. 763 00:42:06.570 --> 00:42:07.489 War Games, that's right. 764 00:42:08.110 --> 00:42:10.599 War Games. War Games, absolutely. Well, again, yeah. 765 00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:13.059 That's a different movie. That's a different movie. 766 00:42:13.460 --> 00:42:16.880 And truly, again, hey, that's fiction. Well, here we are, kids. 767 00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:21.199 And unfortunately, we've got a government right now that's like, yeah, 768 00:42:21.219 --> 00:42:24.230 you guys have this. You guys got it. Somebody needs 769 00:42:24.250 --> 00:42:27.050 to get Trump a copy of Colossus and show him 770 00:42:27.070 --> 00:42:30.530 what it is. I just saw this movie. Maybe I'm wrong. 771 00:42:30.590 --> 00:42:33.329 I don't know. I'll never admit he's wrong. Wayne says 772 00:42:33.369 --> 00:42:36.699 an insignificant blue planet. Here's the line that Paul Freese 773 00:42:36.739 --> 00:42:40.309 says at the end. of Beneath the Planet of the Apes. 774 00:42:40.650 --> 00:42:46.170 An insignificant blue planet that went poof. Oh, like, excuse me, 775 00:42:46.230 --> 00:42:50.510 when the Vorgons needed to build a hyperspace express route, 776 00:42:50.809 --> 00:42:53.510 that is a reference to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. 777 00:42:54.230 --> 00:42:55.670 Oh, my God. Another great movie. 778 00:42:55.710 --> 00:42:56.570 Wait, that's another movie. 779 00:42:56.769 --> 00:42:59.369 That's one of my favorites. I didn't even recognize that. 780 00:42:59.750 --> 00:43:02.380 You know, the movie's decent. V, you got to see 781 00:43:02.389 --> 00:43:03.989 the TV show, and you really got to hear the 782 00:43:04.030 --> 00:43:07.369 radio show. It was originally a radio show. The movie? 783 00:43:07.630 --> 00:43:08.550 I love the movie. 784 00:43:08.710 --> 00:43:11.789 It was a radio show, and then Douglas Adams adapted 785 00:43:11.829 --> 00:43:14.969 all that into a book, and actually several books. And 786 00:43:15.010 --> 00:43:18.449 then it became very cheaply made because it was in 787 00:43:18.469 --> 00:43:21.940 that era of 80s Doctor Who. But still, again, it's 788 00:43:21.980 --> 00:43:26.519 the ideas that make it special. And then they finally 789 00:43:26.539 --> 00:43:31.000 had the movie with Mos Def and Rockwell. 790 00:43:31.610 --> 00:43:33.670 Can I tell you that a lot of the stuff 791 00:43:33.690 --> 00:43:36.059 that we were talking about is most revelant? Like we 792 00:43:36.099 --> 00:43:39.360 talked just Monday about Dr. Who and they had it 793 00:43:39.570 --> 00:43:44.610 on a Jeopardy question tonight. I cannot believe that. Yeah, 794 00:43:44.630 --> 00:43:45.429 the radio show. 795 00:43:45.889 --> 00:43:49.349 Really, I gotta check this out. I wanna say one 796 00:43:49.369 --> 00:43:50.050 other thing. 797 00:43:49.889 --> 00:43:57.829 About the Colossus voice at the Turner Classic Movie Festival 798 00:43:57.869 --> 00:44:01.449 when they screened it at the end, they brought back Colossus, 799 00:44:01.570 --> 00:44:05.000 the voice. And they talked about this the last time 800 00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:06.579 he talked to the doctor. 801 00:44:07.300 --> 00:44:10.679 Eric Braden, it was off the chain. You have to 802 00:44:10.739 --> 00:44:12.219 see it. Look it up on YouTube. 803 00:44:12.260 --> 00:44:14.619 There's a video. That's great. I will. 804 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:17.889 I don't want to spoil the joke, but I also 805 00:44:17.949 --> 00:44:21.889 want to mention there was an encounter with Eric Braden 806 00:44:22.030 --> 00:44:25.050 and James Cameron. And now I got to drop a 807 00:44:25.090 --> 00:44:28.010 secret on that as well. They had a, like a 808 00:44:28.090 --> 00:44:33.050 kind of thing where he was doing something. And James 809 00:44:33.090 --> 00:44:35.329 had said something very rude. And Eric said, hey, I 810 00:44:35.369 --> 00:44:37.969 don't let people talk to me rudely. And then he 811 00:44:38.050 --> 00:44:38.760 said something. 812

00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:39.860 Did you hear about this? 813 00:44:39.980 --> 00:44:43.920 No. Was this at Turner? No. Okay. 814 00:44:43.940 --> 00:44:46.739 This was during the filming of the movie. 815 00:44:47.260 --> 00:44:48.679 Which movie? 816 00:44:48.820 --> 00:44:51.349 Colossus. 817 00:44:51.769 --> 00:44:53.630 What was James Cameron doing in Colossus? 818 00:44:54.289 --> 00:44:57.250 He wasn't in Colossus. There's a couple of secrets about 819 00:44:57.289 --> 00:45:00.070 they didn't have many people on the set. Right. 820 00:45:00.860 --> 00:45:02.420 You know who was on the set at that time? 821 00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:03.019 First? 822 00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:03.699 No. 823 00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:04.760 Steven Spielberg. 824 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.099 Oh, I did hear a rumor about that. But that 825 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:11.500 makes sense because the movie was made at Universal in 1970. 826 00:45:11.500 --> 00:45:15.110 And this is literally when Steven Spielberg was starting to 827 00:45:15.130 --> 00:45:19.409 get his feet wet directing television, like the first Night 828 00:45:19.429 --> 00:45:23.329 Gallery movie and episodes of Columbo and things. And he 829 00:45:23.369 --> 00:45:26.679 really was this kid. that kind of was hanging out. 830 00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:28.960 So I did hear the Spielberg thing. But give me 831 00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:30.639 the Cameron connection. I'm confused. 832 00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:34.320 I'm sorry. I wasn't at the filming. It was later. 833 00:45:34.539 --> 00:45:37.699 It wasn't at the Turner Classic. It was at some 834 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:41.570 other event where Eric might have been. Sorry, I want 835 00:45:41.590 --> 00:45:42.250 to correct myself. 836 00:45:42.329 --> 00:45:44.849 I want to get it right. And that they were 837 00:45:44.969 --> 00:45:47.389 at somewhere, and he had spoke brutally. And he was like, 838 00:45:47.429 --> 00:45:49.090 who are you? And he was like, I'm James Cameron. 839 00:45:49.110 --> 00:45:50.949 And he was like, oh, okay. Yeah. 840 00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:53.360 I might get a job from you someday. Maybe I 841 00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:53.989 should shut up. 842 00:45:54.110 --> 00:45:54.699 Never mind. 843 00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:58.329 I don't even know. Wayne, look it up. I got to. 844 00:45:58.349 --> 00:46:01.429 Look it up. It's in the interview with Eric Braden. 845 00:46:02.030 --> 00:46:04.670 No, but I was going to ask because, of course, 846 00:46:04.710 --> 00:46:10.619 Cameron made Titanic. And I vaguely think perhaps Eric Braden 847 00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:12.420 might have been in Titanic. 848 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:16.519 He's in the Titanic. That's it. You found it out. 849 00:46:16.579 --> 00:46:17.559 That is the connection. 850 00:46:18.139 --> 00:46:24.260 And that– that conversation led Cameron to want to cast 851 00:46:24.699 --> 00:46:25.260 Eric Brayden. 852 00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:26.340 Well, that's good. 853 00:46:26.420 --> 00:46:26.659 Good. 854 00:46:26.840 --> 00:46:27.559 Okay. 855 00:46:28.340 --> 00:46:30.659 I thought so again, you know, that's the great thing again, 856 00:46:30.739 --> 00:46:33.659 especially as he matured, Brayden has just one of those 857 00:46:33.739 --> 00:46:38.119 classic old faces. I mean, it's truly the guy, obviously 858 00:46:38.179 --> 00:46:41.909 he's talented. I mean, and really, you know, people, people 859 00:46:41.969 --> 00:46:45.969 dismiss soap operas and it's like, That's live, basically, especially 860 00:46:46.030 --> 00:46:49.119 for a long time, that's live television. Now they tape it. 861 00:46:49.369 --> 00:46:52.889 In fact, I was watching Jonathan Frakes from Star Trek. 862 00:46:53.190 --> 00:46:57.429 His wife is Jeannie Francis from General Hospital. And they recently, 863 00:46:57.489 --> 00:47:01.840 on their podcast, Frakes and Brett Spiner, I think the 864 00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:05.099 newest episode is William Shatner. And they bring up live 865 00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:08.199 television because Shatner did it in the 50s and 60s. 866 00:47:08.900 --> 00:47:11.880 And Frakes is like, you know, my wife did a 867 00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:13.099 lot of live television. 868 00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:14.119 And Shatner was confused. 869 00:47:14.510 --> 00:47:17.329 And he's like, Jeannie Francis from General Hospital. For years, 870 00:47:17.389 --> 00:47:18.329 they were doing it live. 871 00:47:18.349 --> 00:47:21.570 That was so great. 872 00:47:22.340 --> 00:47:24.949 Wayne says, I thought Colossus treated the humans like mice 873 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:29.699 in a maze when it let the humans disarm some 874 00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:33.900 of the missiles. Yeah, yeah. Again, Colossus was toying with 875 00:47:34.139 --> 00:47:39.260 the humans and was so more infinitely smarter. Again, check 876 00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:41.219 the headlines, kids. That's kind of what we're dealing with 877 00:47:41.340 --> 00:47:41.619 right now. 878 00:47:42.929 --> 00:47:46.900 Yeah, they were trying to say that Colossus... I was asking. 879 00:47:47.300 --> 00:47:50.179 I did the whole little AI question, okay? 880 00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:55.840 I asked AI, what is the similarities between the movie 881 00:47:55.880 --> 00:48:00.079 Colossus and what is happening with AI now? 882 00:48:00.699 --> 00:48:03.219 And they were very clear it's not the same. Colossus 883 00:48:03.260 --> 00:48:04.460 was a supercomputer. 884 00:48:04.929 --> 00:48:08.489 And there actually is a supercomputer in Memphis named Colossus. 885 00:48:08.949 --> 00:48:09.750 Did you know that? 886 00:48:10.130 --> 00:48:10.869 I did not know that. 887 00:48:11.530 --> 00:48:13.929 Supercomputer... System in Memphis. 888 00:48:14.650 --> 00:48:17.530 And then this is a software where AI is a 889 00:48:17.650 --> 00:48:22.329 software program. But what they did say was dissimilar was 890 00:48:22.369 --> 00:48:29.539 the incident that happened where it overran

its directives, communicated 891 00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:33.940 with other, and then kept it awake. 892 00:48:34.969 --> 00:48:37.530 From the people who are supposed to know all of this. 893 00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:42.300 I want to say this, John. 894 00:48:42.500 --> 00:48:45.340 I think also our president said that, you know, we 895 00:48:45.380 --> 00:48:46.619 can just plug, plug. 896 00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:50.179 It'll be it. That is not the case. No, of 897 00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:51.219 course not. 898 00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:55.840 And also, I don't know which AI bot you asked 899 00:48:55.989 --> 00:48:57.150 about the comparison. 900 00:48:57.329 --> 00:48:57.710 Google. 901 00:48:57.750 --> 00:49:01.409 Oh, it was Google? Okay, fine. It was Google. Well, again, yeah. 902 00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:05.860 Colossus is hardware. I'm doing air quotes for the audio. 903 00:49:06.860 --> 00:49:10.619 But essentially, no, it's it's programming. That is the problem. 904 00:49:10.940 --> 00:49:14.659 And that's the thing. Even it even them trying to 905 00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:17.710 unplug it. I mean, God, even Eric Braden at the 906 00:49:17.769 --> 00:49:20.440 end gets so frustrated and smashes everything. one of the 907 00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:23.159 monitors and things. And it's like, no, it doesn't matter. 908 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:27.710 It is the software. And I would disagree with Google's 909 00:49:27.809 --> 00:49:30.710 AI and say, no, this is, again, it was a 910 00:49:30.730 --> 00:49:38.219 1970s version of what's happening now. And again, it's the 911 00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:41.860 fact that Colossus was able to speak to the Soviet 912 00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:46.280 system guardian. And it's like, hey, man, that's the internet. 913 00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:53.440 That is a 1970 version of the internet now. And again, 914 00:49:53.500 --> 00:49:56.639 it doesn't matter about the hardware. The hardware is superfluous. 915 00:49:57.039 --> 00:49:59.400 Wayne says, what am I supposed to look up? Sometimes 916 00:49:59.460 --> 00:50:01.880 a commercial All right. 917 00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:05.739 He's watching. 918 00:50:06.179 --> 00:50:09.159 I understand. Don't worry about it. I don't have time. 919 00:50:09.179 --> 00:50:10.739 I don't have time to, I don't have time to 920 00:50:10.780 --> 00:50:14.440 pre-look at the chat. So whatever. I don't remember anymore. Wayne, 921 00:50:14.460 --> 00:50:18.199 don't worry about it. You did good. You've been doing great. 922 00:50:18.219 --> 00:50:20.300 And I appreciate it. How come you're not out enjoying 923 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:22.360 a New York comic con after hours, my man. 924 00:50:23.260 --> 00:50:23.469 I know. 925 00:50:23.489 --> 00:50:26.750 I know. It's watching. Yeah. It's I know it's well, 926 00:50:26.769 --> 00:50:28.489 that's what, you know, God bless him. That's that's what, 927 00:50:28.510 --> 00:50:31.210 you know, Wayne always makes time, and I appreciate it, Wayne. 928 00:50:31.469 --> 00:50:34.409 And I appreciate everybody else. God, so many people. In fact, 929 00:50:34.909 --> 00:50:37.429 shame on me. I've got to bring them up. Please. 930 00:50:37.489 --> 00:50:40.190 I've got to load them. But one of my Word 931 00:50:40.210 --> 00:50:44.489 Balloon listeners even sent more poster images beyond the one 932 00:50:44.530 --> 00:50:47.230 I used for the opening, and I will grab these. 933 00:50:47.289 --> 00:50:51.989 But I want to give him credit by name. Bob. Bob. 934 00:50:54.590 --> 00:51:00.309 Hold on. Bob Zupancic. So, Bob, I want to thank 935 00:51:00.349 --> 00:51:02.650 you again for being as kind as you have been 936 00:51:02.690 --> 00:51:05.250 in terms of giving us the images. And I'm going 937 00:51:05.269 --> 00:51:07.329 to post them as we're talking now. Go ahead, V. 938 00:51:07.349 --> 00:51:07.809 What do you got? 939 00:51:09.210 --> 00:51:10.650 I wanted to know how. 940 00:51:12.449 --> 00:51:16.710 Come when they started this, they didn't think about how 941 00:51:16.730 --> 00:51:19.949 to stop it. And I think that is the same 942 00:51:20.050 --> 00:51:22.280 question that we are dealing with today. 943 00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:26.099 How do you create something that you can't stop? 944 00:51:28.110 --> 00:51:30.619 You got to have that kind of control and to 945 00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:34.280 have some kind of moral signature where everybody's going to 946 00:51:34.300 --> 00:51:37.500 be on the best behavior or have some emergency system. 947 00:51:38.139 --> 00:51:41.260 What I realize now and that what maybe we all 948 00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:45.159 should think about, no one holds the button anymore. 949 00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:46.219 Right. 950 00:51:46.530 --> 00:51:50.030 There is no one button that can stop whatever is 951 00:51:50.070 --> 00:51:52.710 going to happen. It is going to be. 952 00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:58.440 That to me is, I wouldn't create something that I 953 00:51:58.519 --> 00:51:59.699 can't stop. 954 00:52:00.980 --> 00:52:08.730 Yeah, but again, I think they didn't realize, again, I 955 00:52:08.769 --> 00:52:12.670 think much like the movie, there is a, not arrogance, 956 00:52:12.769 --> 00:52:15.269 but basically a, well, you know, our hand is on 957 00:52:15.309 --> 00:52:18.449 the button. So we'll be able to control this. But again, 958 00:52:19.110 --> 00:52:21.500 these things are, as they point out in the movie, 959 00:52:22.340 --> 00:52:26.929 it's the collective knowledge of, centuries that are being dumped 960 00:52:26.969 --> 00:52:32.230 into this computer. Shatner on that Frakes and Brent Spiner thing, 961 00:52:32.630 --> 00:52:36.449 he was talking about talking to AI and posing questions. 962 00:52:36.909 --> 00:52:39.329 And he said, listen, and basically was like, I understand 963 00:52:39.349 --> 00:52:43.309 the fear, but on the positive side, he's like, this 964 00:52:43.389 --> 00:52:49.530 is the collective intelligence of

centuries of knowledge. And I'm 965 00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:54.219 asking these questions about universe and the potential for learning that. 966 00:52:54.380 --> 00:52:58.260 Because again, Shatner's a big on his own, and I 967 00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:01.000 know Wayne doesn't like Shatner, and I can appreciate that 968 00:53:01.019 --> 00:53:03.099 because I think he can be very arrogant, but he 969 00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:07.460 is a futurist. He has tremendous respect for guys like 970 00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:11.400 Neil deGrasse Tyson and others that are really these modern 971 00:53:11.460 --> 00:53:14.699 thinkers that are really going beyond what we know now 972 00:53:14.780 --> 00:53:17.380 and what we could know later and everything. So I mean, 973 00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:21.619 there is a potential. And also, much like in this movie, 974 00:53:21.980 --> 00:53:23.739 where they're like, hey, this thing can solve. 975 00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:26.780 And in fact, Colossus himself says, I can solve famine. 976 00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:28.670 I can solve overpopulation. 977 00:53:29.010 --> 00:53:32.190 All these things. Much like today, when the proponents of 978 00:53:32.269 --> 00:53:34.250 AI are saying, hey, we're going to be able to 979 00:53:34.289 --> 00:53:37.650 cure cancer and a lot of other medical things. While 980 00:53:37.670 --> 00:53:41.429 we're waiting. Because right now, there isn't very much that 981 00:53:41.510 --> 00:53:45.070 AI has done in those areas of science and innovation yet. 982 00:53:45.309 --> 00:53:48.610 that you can point to and say it's good. I mean, again, 983 00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:51.739 I mean, John Stewart on The Daily Show on Monday 984 00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:56.260 had a fantastic 20-minute editorial about where AI is now. 985 00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:01.159 And also all the jobs it's going to kill and 986 00:54:01.300 --> 00:54:04.260 what's going to happen to these people. And you ask 987 00:54:04.300 --> 00:54:07.329 these AI experts what's going to happen and they're like, well, 988 00:54:07.349 --> 00:54:09.750 there'll be new jobs. Really? What kind of jobs? They 989 00:54:09.769 --> 00:54:11.590 don't have an answer. They don't have an answer for that. 990 00:54:13.670 --> 00:54:17.000 What I'm scared of As I've done all this research 991 00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:21.460 about this and the humanity in all areas, there are 992 00:54:21.500 --> 00:54:22.599 no checks and balances. 993 00:54:22.659 --> 00:54:26.440 You're right. There really aren't. They are giving us the 994 00:54:26.500 --> 00:54:27.840 illusion that they are. 995 00:54:27.860 --> 00:54:32.550 I don't even think there's an illusion, V. Honestly, no. 996 00:54:32.630 --> 00:54:36.190 I really don't. I mean, again, Schmucko is like, well, 997 00:54:36.250 --> 00:54:40.030 they can handle it. They can self-police. The Fox does 998 00:54:40.070 --> 00:54:42.349 not need to guard the hen house, kids. That's not 999 00:54:42.389 --> 00:54:45.389 the way to do it. And I'm hoping that maybe 1000 00:54:45.449 --> 00:54:50.449 the EU and Canada, everyone right now that we used 1001 00:54:50.469 --> 00:54:52.880 to be allies with, that maybe they all band together 1002 00:54:52.900 --> 00:54:54.300 and go, yeah, this is what we're going to do. 1003 00:54:54.900 --> 00:54:58.280 But again, I don't know. I honestly don't want to 1004 00:54:58.300 --> 00:55:02.380 wait to set up guardrails about, you know, use and everything. 1005 00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:06.179 I honestly don't know. I hear Travis said AI is 1006 00:55:06.219 --> 00:55:10.309 being overhyped. Yeah, the company's stock price is up. Absolutely. 1007 00:55:10.349 --> 00:55:12.590 That is one of the reasons why the president is 1008 00:55:12.630 --> 00:55:15.750 such a proponent of AI. It is a big boost 1009 00:55:15.769 --> 00:55:16.489 to the economy. 1010 00:55:18.110 --> 00:55:21.739 But it's not a big boost to all of the economy. 1011 00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:22.400 No. 1012 00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:25.260 And the one thing that I do like about now 1013 00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:28.860 that's not happening in the movie is it hasn't controlled 1014 00:55:29.059 --> 00:55:29.980 everything yet. 1015 00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:30.239 Right. 1016 00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:35.860 We still have the ability to... try to control it. 1017 00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:39.199 I'm not saying that we're going to be successful. And 1018 00:55:39.489 --> 00:55:42.030 I'm going to be honest, I don't think we are. 1019 00:55:42.710 --> 00:55:46.550 We need to prepare ourselves for not being successful. That's 1020 00:55:46.590 --> 00:55:47.269 what I believe. 1021 00:55:47.510 --> 00:55:49.570 Yeah, I don't think it's going to kill us, even 1022 00:55:49.610 --> 00:55:51.309 though I know that there are... And again, I read 1023 00:55:51.329 --> 00:55:53.849 the articles from the insiders that had to leave the 1024 00:55:53.889 --> 00:55:56.900 companies and stuff. But by the same token, there's a 1025 00:55:56.980 --> 00:56:00.280 great moment near the end of the movie when Colossus 1026 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:04.619 is basically telling the world its plans... And this kid 1027 00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:08.539 cracked me up. Why the fuck is this kid wearing 1028 00:56:08.579 --> 00:56:10.409 a T-shirt with the Colossus symbol on it? 1029 00:56:11.219 --> 00:56:14.800 Yay! Yay, I'm all for world domination. 1030 00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:19.119 Yeah, bring it on, man. Really, this might be a 1031 00:56:19.139 --> 00:56:23.969 young Donald Trump, you know, anticipating. I like what he's saying. 1032 00:56:24.250 --> 00:56:24.789 I like this. 1033 00:56:25.969 --> 00:56:26.489 I don't know. 1034 00:56:26.869 --> 00:56:27.909 John, that is great. 1035 00:56:30.429 --> 00:56:31.929 I saw that at the, I forgot, I mean. 1036 00:56:32.329 --> 00:56:35.030 I did not notice that. You know that why they 1037 00:56:35.070 --> 00:56:36.690 did that. That was marketing

the show. 1038 00:56:36.710 --> 00:56:38.210 You know, that's the first, you know, they were doing 1039 00:56:38.250 --> 00:56:40.860 marketing to show that the company that donated. That's the 1040 00:56:40.889 --> 00:56:43.159 company that donated the computer's logo. 1041 00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:48.500 No, that's not the real, that's not the real company's logo, V. 1042 00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:51.579 No, it was just a company for Colossus. Yes, yes, yes. 1043 00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:55.639 Yeah, but I think, yeah, I understand. And again, maybe 1044 00:56:55.699 --> 00:56:59.059 some people, you know, are like, all right, this is 1045 00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:01.280 the new status quo. I'm going to be on this team. 1046 00:57:01.539 --> 00:57:04.760 It's kind of like Kent Brockman on The Simpsons when 1047 00:57:04.780 --> 00:57:06.760 he thought the giant ants were going to take over. 1048 00:57:07.050 --> 00:57:09.070 And he's like, I'd like to say thank you to 1049 00:57:09.130 --> 00:57:14.110 our new ant masters. So yeah, maybe he's a willing slave. 1050 00:57:14.190 --> 00:57:15.030 I have no idea. 1051 00:57:16.809 --> 00:57:20.630 But yeah, I didn't remember that. Was this the first 1052 00:57:20.670 --> 00:57:22.809 time you've seen this movie or did you remember it 1053 00:57:22.869 --> 00:57:23.610 when we were kids? 1054 00:57:24.869 --> 00:57:27.539 When you suggested it to me, It was the first 1055 00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:29.940 time I ever heard of it. I didn't even know. 1056 00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:32.400 I knew Eric Braden was in the Planet of the Apes. 1057 00:57:33.139 --> 00:57:36.420 Of course, I'm watching Young and the Restless forever. 1058 00:57:37.820 --> 00:57:40.440 But no, I did not know this. 1059 00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:43.000 And I think this is better than his Planet of 1060 00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:45.460 the Apes movie, as I might say, as an actor, 1061 00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:46.880 a movie critic. 1062 00:57:46.940 --> 00:57:48.239 Oh, well, he's the first one. 1063 00:57:48.260 --> 00:57:48.900 He's better. 1064 00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:51.539 Well, he's the lead. He's the lead. 1065 00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:53.599 So obviously, he's got more to do. Right. 1066 00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:58.119 I remember seeing this on CBS when they used to 1067 00:57:58.139 --> 00:58:01.469 do the movies at 1030 in the Central Time Zone, 1068 00:58:01.469 --> 00:58:04.050 1130 on the coasts. And they shot a lot of 1069 00:58:04.090 --> 00:58:06.909 science fiction movies back then. Because, I mean, we kind 1070 00:58:06.969 --> 00:58:09.889 of said at the beginning, Universal really didn't know what 1071 00:58:09.929 --> 00:58:12.650 to do with this movie. I mean, once it was done. 1072 00:58:12.849 --> 00:58:17.460 And it did kind of have a weird box office thing. 1073 00:58:17.500 --> 00:58:19.590 Like you said, Ebert did like it. But I don't 1074 00:58:19.610 --> 00:58:22.250 think it played very long because it was such an 1075 00:58:22.449 --> 00:58:24.949 odd duck of a movie. It had the negative ending. 1076 00:58:24.969 --> 00:58:25.789 Do you know? Go ahead. 1077 00:58:26.329 --> 00:58:28.340 Yeah, I know a couple of things. First of all, 1078 00:58:28.699 --> 00:58:31.860 it came out three times in the same year. First, 1079 00:58:31.900 --> 00:58:34.179 it came out April 8th, and it just came out 1080 00:58:34.219 --> 00:58:34.860 with Colossus. 1081 00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:37.679 And they were concerned. And I know you're going to 1082 00:58:37.780 --> 00:58:40.150 add something to this. They were concerned it was too 1083 00:58:40.269 --> 00:58:45.320 much sex. Steven, somebody who was playing Hercules, those Italian Hercules. 1084 00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:48.360 Yeah, those Gladiator movies from the 50s and 60s. Right. 1085 00:58:48.780 --> 00:58:49.579 So they took it out. 1086 00:58:50.300 --> 00:58:54.519 And then in the fall, they added Colossus, the Corbin project. 1087 00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:55.179 Corbin. 1088 00:58:55.739 --> 00:58:57.190 Corbin, excuse me. Corbin, F. 1089 00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:01.730 Hold on. No. Right there, baby. 1090 00:59:01.789 --> 00:59:02.730 The Corbin, excuse me. 1091 00:59:02.849 --> 00:59:05.329 Thank you. All right. There you go. Get it straight. 1092 00:59:05.550 --> 00:59:06.349 Get it straight. 1093 00:59:06.849 --> 00:59:07.429 All right. 1094 00:59:07.530 --> 00:59:09.789 I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm messing with you. All right. 1095 00:59:10.309 --> 00:59:12.130 I've known her for 40 years. I can yell like that. 1096 00:59:12.190 --> 00:59:12.789 Go ahead. Yes. 1097 00:59:12.829 --> 00:59:13.289 We've been friends. 1098 00:59:13.309 --> 00:59:13.690 Sorry, honey. 1099 00:59:14.050 --> 00:59:15.230 It's my family. 1100 00:59:15.250 --> 00:59:16.590 She knows I'm messing with her. Go ahead. 1101 00:59:16.610 --> 00:59:19.050 You're my brother from another mother and father. You're my brother. 1102 00:59:19.070 --> 00:59:19.730 Love you, sweetie. 1103 00:59:19.829 --> 00:59:21.719 Thank you. 1104 00:59:21.949 --> 00:59:25.280 The other thing about it is they tried it the 1105 00:59:25.340 --> 00:59:27.039 third time and it still didn't go well. 1106 00:59:27.099 --> 00:59:30.619 But when they transferred it to TV... They took out 1107 00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:32.420 the sensitive sex scenes. 1108 00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:33.110 Right. 1109 00:59:34.219 --> 00:59:34.860 And that. 1110 00:59:35.409 --> 00:59:35.949 That's fine. 1111 00:59:35.969 --> 00:59:38.530 Braden and I have the same idea. I have the 1112 00:59:38.570 --> 00:59:40.130 same idea of such a great actor. 1113 00:59:41.250 --> 00:59:46.750 Don't make another remake or they tried to do one 1114 00:59:46.769 --> 00:59:48.369 and they were going to use Will Smith. 1115 00:59:48.969 --> 00:59:49.429 Hello. 1116 00:59:50.030 --> 00:59:52.789 I didn't know that. Go on. How long ago? 1117 00:59:52.789 --> 00:59:53.789 2013. Okay. 1118 00:59:53.929 --> 00:59:59.190

They had talked about doing a remake with some different people. 1119 00:59:59.820 --> 01:00:02.000 And then it got shut down. And I can imagine 1120 01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.039 so many reasons after that. 1121 01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:08.539 Honestly, I've been having this discussion on word balloon and 1122 01:00:08.619 --> 01:00:11.059 on scene missing. And also, you know, Gabe Hardman, who 1123 01:00:11.099 --> 01:00:13.840 does a lot of our scene missing episodes, I was 1124 01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:17.639 talking with him and I'm like, why, especially given the 1125 01:00:17.659 --> 01:00:20.860 last five years, why haven't they remade this? The problem 1126 01:00:20.989 --> 01:00:24.269 is it takes two years to make a movie. I 1127 01:00:24.349 --> 01:00:29.429 guarantee you AI today, two years from now, It's going 1128 01:00:29.449 --> 01:00:32.840 to look vastly different. Just as it has... I mean, 1129 01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:36.320 I even initially, V, there are episodes of Word Balloon 1130 01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:40.880 where I talk to ChatGPT and interview it. And we 1131 01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:44.900 go back and forth and have a discussion about comic books, 1132 01:00:44.980 --> 01:00:49.280 about movies. I did a quiz with it. And again, 1133 01:00:49.619 --> 01:00:53.539 just to show the mistakes that it made. I can 1134 01:00:53.579 --> 01:00:58.860 guarantee you now, because... I will confess that when I 1135 01:00:58.900 --> 01:01:02.760 do research, I will use AI. I will verify. My 1136 01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:06.539 good friend Gary Price, who is a library science PhD, 1137 01:01:07.059 --> 01:01:10.480 is like, hey, you got to ask it several times, 1138 01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:13.460 are you sure? And half the time you will get, 1139 01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:15.940 you're right to ask, am I sure? I actually got 1140 01:01:15.980 --> 01:01:16.559 that wrong. 1141 01:01:17.260 --> 01:01:20.579 It's actually C. It's not A. That kind of thing. 1142 01:01:21.460 --> 01:01:26.030 So there's that. But also- it is getting more conversational 1143 01:01:26.469 --> 01:01:29.670 than it was two years ago. And literally when it's 1144 01:01:29.750 --> 01:01:32.489 now looking at least chat GPT, I'm like, Hey, look 1145 01:01:32.510 --> 01:01:37.530 this up. Okay. And it's like humming to itself. And 1146 01:01:37.570 --> 01:01:40.150 I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah, I do that now. 1147 01:01:40.170 --> 01:01:41.170 Okay. 1148 01:01:42.340 --> 01:01:44.780 So before you kill me, you're going to be very human. 1149 01:01:45.099 --> 01:01:47.679 It's a, it's, it's how it's how 9,000 from 2001, Dave, 1150 01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:48.900 don't do it. I'm afraid. 1151 01:01:53.409 --> 01:01:55.969 I have to share this experience with you guys, please. 1152 01:01:56.889 --> 01:02:02.019 I ordered something from Walmart, okay? I did. I don't 1153 01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:03.619 know what I was thinking, but I ordered something from 1154 01:02:03.659 --> 01:02:06.400 Walmart and I expected it to be delivered. 1155 01:02:07.699 --> 01:02:09.340 When it wasn't delivered on the first day or the 1156 01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:13.800 second day, I got Heather, their AI, wonderful person. I'm 1157 01:02:13.820 --> 01:02:16.760 going to tell you, she's a little smart ass, okay? 1158 01:02:18.019 --> 01:02:20.219 Because I was like, hey, I want my money back. 1159 01:02:20.900 --> 01:02:24.670 Well, Veronica... Oh, you like to be called Lady V. 1160 01:02:25.449 --> 01:02:28.349 I was like, what? I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. 1161 01:02:28.489 --> 01:02:31.269 It independently knew you were Lady V. 1162 01:02:31.989 --> 01:02:35.510 I'm not kidding. So I'm going, okay. 1163 01:02:35.739 --> 01:02:36.199 That's amazing. 1164 01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:39.000 Heather. And like, I had a wonderful aunt on my 1165 01:02:39.019 --> 01:02:41.119 mother's side. Heather. 1166 01:02:41.239 --> 01:02:42.599 Heather. 1167 01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:43.500 Heather. 1168 01:02:44.139 --> 01:02:44.579 For real. 1169 01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:48.920 And I had the real guy from Walmart laughing when 1170 01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:52.650 I finally said, Heather, I know you're AI. I really 1171 01:02:52.670 --> 01:02:55.269 can tell. Because you're really trying to make me smile 1172 01:02:55.329 --> 01:02:57.539 and laugh. And a real person wouldn't be doing that. 1173 01:02:57.800 --> 01:02:59.980 They would be frustrated by the fact that I'm frustrated 1174 01:03:00.019 --> 01:03:01.119 that I haven't received my stuff. 1175 01:03:01.420 --> 01:03:02.840 So can you get me to a real person? 1176 01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:07.460 So finally, well, okay, but I thought I could be helpful. 1177 01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:10.300 I'm so disappointed. She sounded like a real person disappointed. 1178 01:03:10.340 --> 01:03:11.360 She couldn't help me. 1179 01:03:11.659 --> 01:03:11.949 Sure. 1180 01:03:12.690 --> 01:03:16.210 Here, Travis does a couple of interesting points. Travis says, 1181 01:03:16.269 --> 01:03:19.170 should we have stopped the development of the auto industry 1182 01:03:19.210 --> 01:03:24.260 to keep jobs for blacksmiths, wheel builders, Wright's, Stableman, and 1183 01:03:24.340 --> 01:03:27.449 Buggy Whip manufacturers. We don't know what jobs will come 1184 01:03:27.690 --> 01:03:30.289 from the AI industry. I hear what you're saying, Travis, 1185 01:03:30.329 --> 01:03:33.329 and I do understand, and you're absolutely right, and I 1186 01:03:33.369 --> 01:03:41.349 make the comparison to pre-industrial revolution technology and crafts and things. Yeah, 1187 01:03:41.769 --> 01:03:46.300 but again, human beings are making these choices. There was, 1188 01:03:47.019 --> 01:03:49.639 and I shouldn't, I don't even know, but you're right, 1189 01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:53.219 there was a transition where The blacksmiths had to learn 1190 01:03:53.260 --> 01:03:58.139 a new trade. So you're right about that. Again, this is,

1191 01:03:58.260 --> 01:04:01.380 I think, going beyond that, where we are dealing with 1192 01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:06.590 pretty much every industry. I, as a copywriter and commercial 1193 01:04:06.670 --> 01:04:12.090 producer in radio for 30 years, 80% of my job 1194 01:04:12.150 --> 01:04:15.409 can now be done by AI. And the only thing 1195 01:04:15.449 --> 01:04:18.190 I do think that you can tell the difference when 1196 01:04:18.210 --> 01:04:21.610 you watch videos or listen to audio You can tell 1197 01:04:21.630 --> 01:04:24.010 when it's an AI. They always get names wrong, which 1198 01:04:24.070 --> 01:04:27.730 cracks me up. Proper names and company names and things. 1199 01:04:28.130 --> 01:04:31.090 Because again, they're just dealing with the letters. They don't 1200 01:04:31.130 --> 01:04:33.980 know how to pronounce it. In fact, when I was 1201 01:04:34.019 --> 01:04:40.079 doing my research for this and I saw George Stanford Brown, 1202 01:04:41.579 --> 01:04:44.820 he doesn't use the E at the end of his name. 1203 01:04:45.389 --> 01:04:49.010 And I can't remember, but I asked... I play with 1204 01:04:49.090 --> 01:04:54.269 the AI like Buck Rogers or Mr. Spock because, again, 1205 01:04:54.409 --> 01:04:57.880 growing up with these sci-fi movies, I'm sorry. It's a 1206 01:04:57.909 --> 01:05:01.280 game to me. So I'm like, who is the black 1207 01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:05.280 guy in Colossus? And I can't remember how she pronounced 1208 01:05:05.300 --> 01:05:08.420 the name, but I got Stafford Brown. And I'm like, 1209 01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:11.719 do you mean George Stafford Brown? I'm like, spell the 1210 01:05:11.739 --> 01:05:16.250 first name. She spelled it out, G-E-O-R-G. No E at 1211 01:05:16.269 --> 01:05:19.010 the end. And I said, all right, you're pronouncing it odd. 1212 01:05:19.630 --> 01:05:22.820 His name is George. He goes by George. And she's like, oh, 1213 01:05:22.860 --> 01:05:25.840 thanks for the correction. So now I guess ChatGPT now 1214 01:05:25.860 --> 01:05:30.440 knows how to say George Stafford Brown properly because idiot 1215 01:05:30.780 --> 01:05:34.780 Yoko Chips gave her the proper pronunciation. So I am 1216 01:05:34.820 --> 01:05:37.739 helping the corruption of our society and the fall of 1217 01:05:37.820 --> 01:05:39.610 our society with ChatGPT. 1218 01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:40.550 No, we all are. 1219 01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:44.650 Because do you know that every time that AI does 1220 01:05:44.690 --> 01:05:48.659 something incorrect, It corrects itself by us saying that. 1221 01:05:48.739 --> 01:05:51.300 There are jobs. And I'm going to just address what 1222 01:05:51.340 --> 01:05:52.590 Travis said, if I may. 1223 01:05:53.030 --> 01:05:53.300 Please. 1224 01:05:54.530 --> 01:05:58.650 That you're right. I believe that progress should happen. 1225 01:05:59.369 --> 01:06:02.929 But at the cost of human life, at the cost 1226 01:06:03.110 --> 01:06:07.269 of compassion for the human condition, absolutely not. 1227 01:06:07.610 --> 01:06:08.289 Right. 1228 01:06:08.869 --> 01:06:11.150 Only us. Yeah. 1229 01:06:11.449 --> 01:06:14.699 Only us. Travis says the rate of change now. is 1230 01:06:14.719 --> 01:06:18.429 so much faster, so it will affect workers much more. Absolutely, man. Again, 1231 01:06:18.469 --> 01:06:21.610 that's the problem. That's why we need guardrails. And that's 1232 01:06:21.670 --> 01:06:26.070 why Captain Schmucko saying, oh, they can police themselves. I'm 1233 01:06:26.090 --> 01:06:30.130 hoping that's enough of a code that it won't get 1234 01:06:30.190 --> 01:06:37.989 by the NSA, who's likely monitoring this very video. All right, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne. 1235 01:06:38.050 --> 01:06:41.030 That's confirmed that they are after us now. 1236 01:06:42.510 --> 01:06:45.550 But we're only speaking truth. And the one thing that 1237 01:06:45.610 --> 01:06:49.150 this movie made me want to do is get educated 1238 01:06:49.230 --> 01:06:49.929 about the subject. 1239 01:06:49.949 --> 01:06:50.550 This is a 1971 movie? 1240 01:06:50.570 --> 01:06:51.369 No, sorry, 70. 1241 01:06:51.369 --> 01:06:54.090 And it started getting awards years after, 1971 to 1985. 1242 01:06:54.090 --> 01:06:55.190 It did win the Hugo Award in 1971. 1243 01:06:55.170 --> 01:06:55.750 You're right about that. 1244 01:06:55.769 --> 01:06:58.610 And then it won the Saturn Award in the 80s. 1245 01:06:58.619 --> 01:06:59.260 So this movie is. 1246 01:07:14.829 --> 01:07:18.449 Not just a movie. To me, this is a warning sign. 1247 01:07:18.510 --> 01:07:19.309 Ding, ding, ding. 1248 01:07:19.349 --> 01:07:24.510 Red alert, red alert, red alert. Learn more. Fight more 1249 01:07:25.230 --> 01:07:26.710 about our own human. 1250 01:07:29.179 --> 01:07:29.679 Survival. 1251 01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:30.800 Survival. 1252 01:07:31.219 --> 01:07:36.360 And that the last statement that Colossus says to the 1253 01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:38.380 doctor is never. 1254 01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:43.539 Is this going to be under human control again? And 1255 01:07:43.579 --> 01:07:44.139 he says never. 1256 01:07:44.909 --> 01:07:48.010 Yeah, and Colossus is like, hey, eventually I'll wear you 1257 01:07:48.030 --> 01:07:50.550 down and you'll work with me. And yeah, again, Eric 1258 01:07:50.570 --> 01:07:53.530 Braden defied until the end of the movie, but not 1259 01:07:53.570 --> 01:07:55.849 a satisfying ending if you're looking for a happy ending, 1260 01:07:56.210 --> 01:08:01.639 but an amazing film. And like I said, as AI 1261 01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:04.820 really started, when the snowball started to get bigger and 1262 01:08:04.860 --> 01:08:07.420 bigger as it rolled down the mountain, I'm like, I 1263 01:08:07.460 --> 01:08:09.619 got to do this. I've seen this thing. And like 1264 01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:13.219 I said, I'm shocked that they did try to remake 1265 01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:15.860 it in 2013 and That might have been the last

1266 01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:19.270 chance to do it right. Because again, that's way before 1267 01:08:19.699 --> 01:08:24.170 where we are now. Even in comics, Brian Bendis, my 1268 01:08:24.210 --> 01:08:28.210 dear friend, wrote a great Avengers story. And you might 1269 01:08:28.250 --> 01:08:32.810 remember the second Avengers movie, Age of Ultron. But essentially, 1270 01:08:33.409 --> 01:08:38.010 he had Ultron working in the way that AI does. 1271 01:08:38.569 --> 01:08:42.050 And it wins and it takes over the world. And 1272 01:08:42.069 --> 01:08:46.479 then the Avengers have to, like, it's a they have 1273 01:08:46.500 --> 01:08:49.319 to go back in time to fix the problem, much 1274 01:08:49.380 --> 01:08:52.600 like in the Avengers Endgame. But this is several years 1275 01:08:52.659 --> 01:08:57.949 before Endgame, and specifically to stop this technology that ran 1276 01:08:58.010 --> 01:09:01.180 amok and won. so that's why they have to fix 1277 01:09:01.220 --> 01:09:04.859 it it is also called Age of Ultron like the 1278 01:09:04.899 --> 01:09:08.199 movie I can't remember if it was made before or 1279 01:09:08.380 --> 01:09:10.680 after the film I think it was after but it 1280 01:09:10.739 --> 01:09:14.939 is a different story than the film and again Brian 1281 01:09:15.020 --> 01:09:17.880 is a futurist who is paying a lot of attention 1282 01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:21.560 to new technology And was very excited when the movie, 1283 01:09:21.689 --> 01:09:24.619 rather when he was writing the comic. And since our 1284 01:09:24.659 --> 01:09:27.239 discussions about AI, he's like, well, you know, I was 1285 01:09:27.260 --> 01:09:29.060 talking about this, you know, when I did Avengers. 1286 01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:30.840 And I'm like, yeah, I do remember that. 1287 01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:32.960 So there you go. 1288 01:09:32.979 --> 01:09:36.550 Well, I just wanted to say how many movies this 1289 01:09:37.090 --> 01:09:38.350 movie inspired. 1290 01:09:40.170 --> 01:09:40.869 Terminators. 1291 01:09:42.149 --> 01:09:44.289 The second, the Terminator 2. 1292 01:09:44.289 --> 01:09:44.470 Yes. 1293 01:09:44.510 --> 01:09:47.659 Terminator 2. War Games. Yep. 1294 01:09:47.989 --> 01:09:50.659 Then this movie that I saw recently that I thought 1295 01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:52.500 was a masterpiece, Ex Machina. 1296 01:09:53.100 --> 01:09:53.800 I hadn't seen that. 1297 01:09:53.819 --> 01:09:54.340 Ex Machina. 1298 01:09:54.880 --> 01:09:57.279 Oh, is that how it's pronounced? I'm sorry. That's all right. 1299 01:09:57.539 --> 01:09:58.859 It was amazing. 1300 01:09:59.100 --> 01:10:01.130 And, and, you know, I'm not trying to mansplain your ass. 1301 01:10:01.189 --> 01:10:04.729 I'm just, I, I just want to, again, you know, no, I, 1302 01:10:04.829 --> 01:10:06.689 and you'll forgive me, but I, just so people know 1303 01:10:06.729 --> 01:10:09.649 what we're talking about. So, you know, there's a lot 1304 01:10:09.710 --> 01:10:13.319 of shitty AI gone amok movies and all you have 1305 01:10:13.340 --> 01:10:15.260 to do, I don't even remember some of the names, 1306 01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:18.319 but if you go to to be, And I don't 1307 01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:20.500 know if you know this, V, there's a film company 1308 01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:24.579 called The Asylum and they make crappy, first of all, 1309 01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:27.420 they make crappy horror movies and crappy comedies, but they 1310 01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:30.829 also do a ton of knockoff movies that I don't 1311 01:10:30.850 --> 01:10:33.930 know if they're trying to confuse a third world market 1312 01:10:34.409 --> 01:10:38.369 that it's kind of like Transformers, but slightly different. But 1313 01:10:38.409 --> 01:10:40.270 there are a bunch, again, if you just go to 1314 01:10:40.329 --> 01:10:43.590 Tubi and look up AI, you're going to find a lot. 1315 01:10:43.649 --> 01:10:46.479 And some of them are really like, Horror movies with 1316 01:10:46.539 --> 01:10:51.310 soft core porn in them. Yeah, it's ridiculous. But yeah, 1317 01:10:51.350 --> 01:10:53.510 like a woman that gets seduced by an AI. 1318 01:10:55.569 --> 01:10:58.930 Well, hey, there's a man that's seduced by AI. 1319 01:10:59.369 --> 01:11:01.930 We didn't mention another great horror movie from the 70s 1320 01:11:02.489 --> 01:11:04.850 that maybe came after this. Demon Seed. 1321 01:11:05.609 --> 01:11:06.840 Oh, yeah, they were seeing that. 1322 01:11:07.039 --> 01:11:07.340 Yes. 1323 01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:09.199 A lot of people would love to see. 1324 01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:12.279 Now, this is what would be the ultimate re-release. 1325 01:11:13.020 --> 01:11:13.800 Not changing anything. 1326 01:11:14.659 --> 01:11:18.079 Any movie is having a double feature of demon seed 1327 01:11:18.739 --> 01:11:19.560 and Colossus. 1328 01:11:20.119 --> 01:11:23.250 Yeah. Oh no, I agree. And I mean, really it 1329 01:11:24.170 --> 01:11:28.229 also that, that there's that theory out there about singularity 1330 01:11:28.729 --> 01:11:33.670 when man and machine will finally integrate and people like Asimov, 1331 01:11:33.829 --> 01:11:39.479 Isaac Asimov thought of the positive area of that. But again, 1332 01:11:39.539 --> 01:11:41.689 as we're dealing with the realities today with AI and, 1333 01:11:42.619 --> 01:11:45.859 I'm against singularity, so no thank you. 1334 01:11:46.659 --> 01:11:50.210 No, I kind of like humans, all humans, and computers 1335 01:11:50.229 --> 01:11:51.329 stay all computers. 1336 01:11:52.050 --> 01:11:54.890 Yeah, Demon Z-Wayne, you got us, you got us. 1337 01:11:56.090 --> 01:11:59.029 And he says the creator of Ultron, Hank Pym, not 1338 01:11:59.069 --> 01:11:59.989 a good father, indeed. 1339 01:12:02.689 --> 01:12:04.199 Yep. 1340 01:12:04.260 --> 01:12:06.539 There you go. All right, so there you go, everybody. 1341 01:12:07.500 --> 01:12:12.689 It's on the Internet Archive. And I did, on my

socials, 1342 01:12:13.569 --> 01:12:18.960 on Facebook and on X and also Blue Sky, I 1343 01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:22.220 do have a direct link to the movie there. So 1344 01:12:22.359 --> 01:12:24.560 if you've never seen the movie, I urge you to 1345 01:12:24.619 --> 01:12:27.340 see it. I think it's great. It's a little dry. 1346 01:12:27.460 --> 01:12:30.239 I won't deny that because it is a talking movie. 1347 01:12:30.260 --> 01:12:35.399 I think it's intense. And if you can handle, as 1348 01:12:35.470 --> 01:12:37.869 V said, the opening is a little 70s. Just five minutes. 1349 01:12:38.050 --> 01:12:38.569 Five minutes. 1350 01:12:38.590 --> 01:12:39.310 Just give me more. 1351 01:12:39.720 --> 01:12:41.819 But as soon as they start talking about the computer 1352 01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:44.479 and it goes online, pop that movie. 1353 01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:47.890 Pay attention to what everybody says. Because you're missing a 1354 01:12:47.930 --> 01:12:52.189 lot of stuff in the background. There you go. That's 1355 01:12:52.229 --> 01:12:52.869 the problem. 1356 01:12:52.909 --> 01:12:55.449 We'll finish your thought and then we'll acknowledge the comment. 1357 01:12:55.489 --> 01:12:56.449 I'm just leaving it up there. 1358 01:12:56.890 --> 01:13:00.880 Yeah, but it's just the fact that this movie to 1359 01:13:01.020 --> 01:13:03.300 me is a warning. 1360 01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:07.720 And we need to be more informed as regular individuals 1361 01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:10.579 I may not be so tech-savvy like me. 1362 01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:12.560 I'm not a tech-savvy person, but I'm going to learn 1363 01:13:12.600 --> 01:13:14.560 how to be tech-savvy after seeing this. 1364 01:13:15.189 --> 01:13:15.470 Sure. 1365 01:13:16.850 --> 01:13:19.029 Wayne makes the point, yeah, kids and their cell phones, 1366 01:13:19.550 --> 01:13:22.149 singularity is here already. Yeah, it's true. I mean, again, 1367 01:13:24.189 --> 01:13:27.949 I hope that the reality gets through to the younger 1368 01:13:27.989 --> 01:13:30.989 generations and that they see the dangers the way some 1369 01:13:31.029 --> 01:13:34.069 of us older people do. I also wanted to point out, everybody, 1370 01:13:34.100 --> 01:13:37.060 because there's only a few hours left, but V is 1371 01:13:37.119 --> 01:13:42.520 in the running. for a contest that iHeartRadio is doing. 1372 01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:43.319 Describe it, V. 1373 01:13:44.220 --> 01:13:46.960 It's a top host contest where you get an opportunity 1374 01:13:47.020 --> 01:13:48.619 to do your own podcast and. 1375 01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:50.619 Become a professional podcaster. 1376 01:13:51.239 --> 01:13:54.109 And I know a lot of people don't really think 1377 01:13:55.050 --> 01:13:58.489 that that's an important job, but that's really funny to me. 1378 01:13:58.829 --> 01:14:02.550 Yeah, I know, John, right? Look how important this job is, right? 1379 01:14:02.970 --> 01:14:04.210 Look how important this job is.

1380 01:14:04.649 --> 01:14:07.600 And I get to talk about whatever I want to 1381 01:14:08.270 --> 01:14:09.090 On my show. 1382 01:14:09.930 --> 01:14:12.890 So I can offer to Wayne. 1383 01:14:12.430 --> 01:14:15.189 And John and Franco and other ones to come on 1384 01:14:15.270 --> 01:14:15.869 my show. 1385 01:14:16.329 --> 01:14:16.529 Sure. 1386 01:14:16.689 --> 01:14:18.729 And I lead and I get to man explain you 1387 01:14:18.770 --> 01:14:19.890 away or a woman explain you. 1388 01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:21.079 Away, John, or whatever. 1389 01:14:21.100 --> 01:14:27.260 But I also get to sit with iHeartRadio's top host, really, 1390 01:14:27.539 --> 01:14:28.720 Ryan Seacrest. 1391 01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:31.359 And I get to interview and talk with him on 1392 01:14:31.399 --> 01:14:32.390 my show. Okay. 1393 01:14:32.409 --> 01:14:35.670 Because, yeah, there's a, I mean, and you'll forgive me, Vee. 1394 01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:41.119 Anyone could be a podcast host. But this, specifically, with iHeart, 1395 01:14:41.899 --> 01:14:44.960 not only do you get the opportunity to have your 1396 01:14:44.979 --> 01:14:49.439 podcast on iHeart, but also you get to interview Ryan Sequist, 1397 01:14:49.699 --> 01:14:51.079 and there's a cash prize as well. 1398 01:14:51.640 --> 01:14:52.359 Yeah, it is. 1399 01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:55.539 And I want those who have voted for me already, 1400 01:14:55.579 --> 01:14:58.319 like Ryan Wayne and Franco, thank you so much. 1401 01:14:59.100 --> 01:15:02.409 And John and everyone who has voted for me so far. 1402 01:15:02.670 --> 01:15:02.909 Mitch. 1403 01:15:03.329 --> 01:15:06.569 John and Mitch. Mitch. You guys have put me at 1404 01:15:06.609 --> 01:15:09.949 number one in the category in my house. 1405 01:15:09.989 --> 01:15:12.670 So I got seven, six hours. No, maybe five and 1406 01:15:12.689 --> 01:15:13.930 a half now because it was seven. 1407 01:15:14.010 --> 01:15:17.369 Holy crap. So, yeah, for the video audience, I've got 1408 01:15:17.409 --> 01:15:20.789 the banner there. And for the audio, well, again, by 1409 01:15:20.810 --> 01:15:22.680 the time I release the audio, I think the window 1410 01:15:22.699 --> 01:15:29.079 will be closed. But it's tophost.org backslash 2026 backslash Veronica 1411 01:15:29.140 --> 01:15:33.720 hyphen Walden. And that will take you to the site. 1412 01:15:33.899 --> 01:15:37.020 You've got to register. But it's, you know, what, again, 1413 01:15:37.359 --> 01:15:38.060 you know, that's. 1414 01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:40.279 Thank you for this opportunity to talk about it. 1415 01:15:40.579 --> 01:15:40.739 Sure. 1416 01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:43.880 And the fact that I want to just say personally, 1417 01:15:44.619 --> 01:15:46.149 the fact that you had me on your show to 1418 01:15:46.189 --> 01:15:48.210 be a guest, the fact that I'm doing this. 1419 01:15:48.270 --> 01:15:49.270 This is a dream to me. 1420 01:15:49.850 --> 01:15:50.550 Oh, sweet. 1421 01:15:51.109 --> 01:15:53.670 When I was taking hours like Tina Turner, let me 1422 01:15:53.710 --> 01:16:00.319 please end with this. After seven, Najee, Men Conditioned, they. 1423 01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:04.239 Were telling me as I'm serving them, wow, you got it. 1424 01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:09.140 a personality, Veronica. You got. I'm like, hey, I'm working 1425 01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:12.439 for y'all. I ain't thinking about this. But in my heart, 1426 01:16:12.539 --> 01:16:14.800 in my true, true dreams, I was like, yeah, I 1427 01:16:14.859 --> 01:16:15.800 never thought about it. 1428 01:16:16.100 --> 01:16:18.420 I really, I always wanted to, but I never thought 1429 01:16:18.439 --> 01:16:20.819 I could. And this is the time where my dream 1430 01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:24.300 could come true. And I wanted to do radio more 1431 01:16:24.340 --> 01:16:25.500 than TV, John. 1432 01:16:25.899 --> 01:16:29.840 Can I say that? Well, no, exactly. I mean, people might, 1433 01:16:29.880 --> 01:16:34.340 you know, Veronica's been on enough that People who really 1434 01:16:34.359 --> 01:16:36.819 pay attention to every episode might know. But Veronica and 1435 01:16:36.920 --> 01:16:39.880 I not only went to college together at Illinois State University, 1436 01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:43.680 but we worked at the same professional radio station. And 1437 01:16:43.819 --> 01:16:48.659 he was a DJ on the adult contemporary radio station, WIHN, 1438 01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:50.699 down there. I don't know what their call letters are now. 1439 01:16:51.640 --> 01:16:53.899 And I also was on public radio as a freshman 1440 01:16:54.300 --> 01:16:56.050 at WGLT. There you go. 1441 01:16:56.390 --> 01:16:56.890 Absolutely. 1442 01:16:56.930 --> 01:16:59.189 So I know that's years ago, but that talent never 1443 01:16:59.229 --> 01:17:02.359 leaves you, John, now, does it? V, I tell all 1444 01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:05.399 of our friends that did college radio and even my 1445 01:17:05.460 --> 01:17:09.699 friends that did high school radio, any of you can 1446 01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:11.079 do what I currently do. 1447 01:17:11.420 --> 01:17:13.899 And that's not dismissive of what I do. It's knowing 1448 01:17:13.939 --> 01:17:15.840 how talented they are. In fact, I would like to 1449 01:17:15.899 --> 01:17:18.739 mention that my good friend Cam McWhorter, and this ties 1450 01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:21.760 into AI, he's on the current episode of the Wall 1451 01:17:21.810 --> 01:17:25.489 Street Journal. I will look up the title of the episode. 1452 01:17:26.149 --> 01:17:28.449 But he went to Ohio. 1453 01:17:28.470 --> 01:17:28.609 Awesome. 1454 01:17:29.100 --> 01:17:33.500 Where they're constructing the data centers for all these AIs. 1455 01:17:34.180 --> 01:17:37.760 And he was the reporter on scene and then was 1456 01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:43.569 the guest on this guy's podcast. Here, hold on one second. 1457 01:17:43.750 --> 01:17:47.750 It's the Wall

Street Journal's podcast called The Journal. It's 1458 01:17:47.829 --> 01:17:51.069 everywhere where you get podcasts. It's on Spotify. And the 1459 01:17:51.149 --> 01:17:55.920 title of the episode is Red, White, and Who? The 1460 01:17:56.100 --> 01:18:02.779 Anti-AI Voters. Because, again, people are really frustrated that these 1461 01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:07.810 data centers are being constructed without their consent. And, you know, 1462 01:18:07.850 --> 01:18:10.949 it uses a lot of water and energy. And, you know, 1463 01:18:10.989 --> 01:18:14.050 it's the same kind of carbon footprint concerns that we 1464 01:18:14.090 --> 01:18:17.029 have about the environment in general. And this is from 1465 01:18:17.090 --> 01:18:20.989 a more technological problem. So that kind of ties in. But, yeah, 1466 01:18:21.369 --> 01:18:26.300 Cam's brilliant. He's written several books. And again, incredibly media savvy. 1467 01:18:26.340 --> 01:18:28.720 And he's one of my best friends, much like me. 1468 01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:32.739 And he's great. And yeah, I was really proud of him. 1469 01:18:32.779 --> 01:18:34.819 He sent me the link today. It's like 20 minutes, 1470 01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:38.520 but Cam's finger's on the button, man. He knows. He 1471 01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:44.829 covered Fawnie Willis in Georgia from when she indicted Trump 1472 01:18:46.850 --> 01:18:48.489 and to the scandal and stuff. Oh yeah, he was 1473 01:18:48.510 --> 01:18:52.689 there in the press audience when Fannie Willis read the 1474 01:18:52.710 --> 01:18:54.109 indictment against Trump and everything. 1475 01:18:54.529 --> 01:18:56.760 That's exciting. 1476 01:18:56.800 --> 01:19:00.180 Hey, Jake Caruso says screw AI and data centers. There 1477 01:19:00.189 --> 01:19:00.489 we go. 1478 01:19:01.060 --> 01:19:01.619 I'm with him. 1479 01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:04.520 I want to say that the largest and most destructive 1480 01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:06.439 data center is in Memphis. 1481 01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:10.359 You can hear it. I have friends in Memphis. You 1482 01:19:10.399 --> 01:19:14.020 can hear it when you go to Memphis. 1483 01:19:16.340 --> 01:19:17.090 Yeah, exactly. 1484 01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:17.619 It's there. 1485 01:19:19.250 --> 01:19:22.689 And I also want to mention another famous author who 1486 01:19:22.750 --> 01:19:23.380 talked about it. 1487 01:19:24.010 --> 01:19:26.229 It was Stephen King in Tommyknockers. 1488 01:19:27.590 --> 01:19:28.949 Oh, I didn't remember that. Wow. 1489 01:19:29.149 --> 01:19:32.899 Yes, Tommyknockers as well. So it's been in our culture 1490 01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:35.659 for years. It's time that we pay attention to it. 1491 01:19:36.020 --> 01:19:39.090 And I'm only thinking... I'm only thinking about the children 1492 01:19:39.189 --> 01:19:43.930 and our future generations. Because from what we are experiencing, 1493 01:19:43.970 --> 01:19:47.789 they're not catching on and being as smart about things. 1494 01:19:47.569 --> 01:19:48.270 As we are. 1495 01:19:48.750 --> 01:19:49.770 Well, they're going to have to step up. 1496 01:19:50.630 --> 01:19:52.489 And we have to step up to teach them. It's 1497 01:19:52.529 --> 01:19:54.210 not just them that have to step up to learn. 1498 01:19:54.529 --> 01:19:56.010 We have to continue to teach them. 1499 01:19:56.050 --> 01:19:59.029 Oh, no, absolutely. If they're willing to listen to us, sure. 1500 01:19:59.430 --> 01:20:05.659 But also, again, this is a current issue. And I 1501 01:20:05.699 --> 01:20:07.960 agree that it will be a problem for the generation 1502 01:20:08.039 --> 01:20:12.109 under us, but it's happening now. And that's another reason 1503 01:20:12.170 --> 01:20:15.590 why I was happy to talk about this amazing movie. 1504 01:20:15.750 --> 01:20:16.649 And point people to it. 1505 01:20:16.670 --> 01:20:19.449 So, yeah, look it up on the Internet Archive, everybody. 1506 01:20:19.550 --> 01:20:23.329 Buy its title, Colossus, The Forbidden Project. And if you 1507 01:20:23.369 --> 01:20:26.409 haven't seen it, you're going to be blown away by 1508 01:20:26.430 --> 01:20:29.810 the comparisons of what it's talking about 56 years ago. 1509 01:20:30.350 --> 01:20:32.189 And a lot of this shit is happening now. So 1510 01:20:32.229 --> 01:20:32.890 that's why we did it. 1511 01:20:33.529 --> 01:20:36.710 I also want to recommend going to Turner Classic Movies 1512 01:20:37.109 --> 01:20:40.489 and seeing the result from the screening with him there 1513 01:20:41.060 --> 01:20:44.539 and having him talk about the aspects of doing that 1514 01:20:44.579 --> 01:20:45.920 movie and stuff today. 1515 01:20:46.260 --> 01:20:50.939 He's still very brilliant in his talking about his portrayal 1516 01:20:51.159 --> 01:20:54.380 as this doctor. It's really interesting conversation. 1517 01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:58.409 So to add all of that together and then let's 1518 01:20:58.789 --> 01:21:01.689 make sure we'll be able to pull the plug. And 1519 01:21:01.729 --> 01:21:10.689 let's make sure we can not believe that it's a self-controlled. 1520 01:21:08.090 --> 01:21:09.810 Kind of agency. 1521 01:21:10.390 --> 01:21:12.649 No, I'm with you, buddy. Here, let me see if 1522 01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:16.779 there's a final comment. Oh, thank you very much. Chica 1523 01:21:16.840 --> 01:21:18.279 Rose says nice coverage to both of us. 1524 01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:18.800 Thank you. 1525 01:21:18.819 --> 01:21:19.460 It's very nice. 1526 01:21:19.819 --> 01:21:20.739 Thank you. 1527 01:21:21.180 --> 01:21:24.739 But yeah, everybody, thanks a lot for watching. On Saturday, 1528 01:21:24.779 --> 01:21:27.460 I'm going to record for our Sunday conversation here on 1529 01:21:27.479 --> 01:21:30.600 Word Balloon. My dear friend Richard Starkings, the man behind 1530 01:21:30.619 --> 01:21:32.949 Elephant Men, He's got a brand new book that he 1531 01:21:32.989 --> 01:21:35.300 wants to talk about. So we're going to record that 1532 01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:38.960 for our Sunday conversation. And I hope you'll join us 1533 01:21:39.039 --> 01:21:42.800 to watch and listen. Then Monday, there will not be 1534 01:21:42.979 --> 01:21:47.520 our usual nerd review or not Trek Watch Joe. Instead, 1535 01:21:47.699 --> 01:21:51.680 I'll be talking to the brilliant P. Craig Russell, who 1536 01:21:52.060 --> 01:21:55.590 back in the 80s used to take operas, turn them 1537 01:21:55.630 --> 01:21:58.930 into graphic novels. And the series of books were called 1538 01:21:58.989 --> 01:22:01.770 Night Music. And Craig is going back to that now. 1539 01:22:02.050 --> 01:22:05.689 He also did an amazing run at Marvel on Kill 1540 01:22:05.729 --> 01:22:10.449 Raven and a couple of very significant Doctor Strange stories. 1541 01:22:11.550 --> 01:22:13.939 So I'm really looking forward to talking to Craig. He's 1542 01:22:13.979 --> 01:22:16.489 one of my favorite artists. And really, look him up 1543 01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:19.079 on Marvel Unlimited, folks, if you don't remember the great work. 1544 01:22:19.100 --> 01:22:21.760 Because he's always been very selective of what he's done 1545 01:22:22.220 --> 01:22:24.840 for Marvel. More of his stuff has been done on 1546 01:22:24.859 --> 01:22:27.470 the independent side. But really, one of my favorite people. 1547 01:22:27.510 --> 01:22:30.050 And I'm very excited to be talking to Craig Russell 1548 01:22:30.090 --> 01:22:35.510 next Monday. And then hopefully next week, Wes Craig is 1549 01:22:35.609 --> 01:22:40.590 currently writing an amazing DC book called Superman the Stranger. 1550 01:22:40.609 --> 01:22:43.670 And it is set in 1938, the first year that 1551 01:22:43.750 --> 01:22:46.880 Action Comics happened. And it's a retelling of the Golden 1552 01:22:46.920 --> 01:22:50.819 Age Superman. And it's very different than the modern origin 1553 01:22:50.979 --> 01:22:55.510 in a great way. And two issues in. He's blown 1554 01:22:55.550 --> 01:22:58.409 me away, so I'm looking forward to talking to him. Wayne, 1555 01:22:58.449 --> 01:23:03.359 a Canadian. Wes Craig, ladies and gentlemen. From Montreal. So 1556 01:23:03.380 --> 01:23:05.239 that's coming up in the days ahead here on Word 1557 01:23:05.260 --> 01:23:08.479 Balloon Live. Thanks a lot for listening and watching. Thank you, Bea, 1558 01:23:08.520 --> 01:23:09.399 for co-hosting. 1559 01:23:09.539 --> 01:23:11.720 Way to go. I love it. I love it. We've 1560 01:23:11.739 --> 01:23:13.760 got to pick another movie, so we'll talk about it. 1561 01:23:14.649 --> 01:23:15.149 Absolutely. 1562 01:23:15.210 --> 01:23:15.489 All right. 1563 01:23:15.550 --> 01:23:26.180 Everybody stay safe, stay happy, stay healthy. Thank you.