16. Top 5: Books의 전체 녹취록

00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:15.199 That's what I was gonna do. 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:16.000 Yeah, yeah. 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:16.560 Okay, good. 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:16.959 Yeah. 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:22.240 So then I also baked the banana bread and it had a rum glaze on it. 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:28.240 And for anybody who wants to try a recipe like that, the rum cooks off because it's a heated glaze. 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:29.040 Right, okay. 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:32.720 Um, but man, it adds a flavor with that banana. 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:33.279 Nice. 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:38.079 And I went a little rogue and I put um lime zest into the glaze. 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:42.480 And I think if I would try it again, I would grate some fresh ginger into it too. 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:43.439 Oh, nice. 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:44.879 It was really, really good. 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:45.439 It was good. 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:49.360 Well, isn't there a dessert that does something with rum and banana? 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:50.639 Seems like a what? 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:54.800 A dessert that pairs rum and banana and it sounds like an awesome one. 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:59.120 Yeah, so I think they made they, it's a good pairing, is what my point is. 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:06.399 So, other than all that eating, uh, we were so bored over the weekend. 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:07.920 So we're like, what should we do? 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:10.800 So we replace all our outdoor lighting. 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:20.160 My husband and I put on masks, went to the hardware store, picked out the lighting, and I mean we just went there, that looked good, that looks good. 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:23.519 All right, you know, and uh came home and installed it. 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:24.160 Awesome. 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:26.560 The the front door and the lights by the garage. 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:27.199 I can't wait. 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:28.480 So they're updated now. 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:29.199 Nice. 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:31.120 Hey, well, the old ones have been there. 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:33.199 Yeah, and you also so you accomplished something. 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:34.959 Like a yeah, it wasn't just yeah. 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:42.240 Yeah, you know, well, we renovated the inside of the house two years ago, but those lights, you know, they've been there since 1999. 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:45.040 They were original to the house. 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:45.360 Yeah. 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:50.959 So we're like, why don't we go ahead and update these 20-year-old lighting? 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:52.240 And we did. 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:53.519 That's about it. 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:58.319 We had to replace our front door light, and we just replaced it, remember? 00:05:58.639 --> 00:05:58.800 Why? 00:05:58.879 --> 00:05:59.439 What happened? 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:01.279 Well, I don't know, we were dumb. 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:10.959 There the light we got, you can't replace the light bulb in it very uh it was like some kind of I don't know, it was like a single use, I guess. 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:19.839 It was like because my husband took it apart and we couldn't uh and he looked it up on light, couldn't fit, there's no replacement bulb for it. 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:20.639 Oh, geez. 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:21.759 I don't know why. 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:29.439 But anyway, so we he just found one on Home Depot online and ordered it, and it came within a few days, so we replaced that too. 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:31.439 So we got a new outlaw outdoor line. 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:34.160 That was a few weeks ago, but yeah, we got that done too. 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:42.720 Well, you know, we thought about ordering it and waiting for it to come, but again, boredom outruled, and we're like, let's just go and get it. 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:46.879 But we got there and the hardware store parking lot was full. 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:54.160 And I I guess that's all people are doing now is taking this opportunity being at home to get all these DIY projects done. 00:06:54.399 --> 00:07:02.000 I've seen our neighbors have tons, they brought home tons of from Home Depot, tons of um landscaping stuff. 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:06.480 And I've actually thought about that, like, because we need to remulch our whole yard. 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:08.000 So yeah, I don't know. 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:11.360 Well, I'm trying to convince my husband to put up a fence in the backyard. 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:17.839 Not that we have much of a yard, but even tired of seeing our neighbors in the back's porches, and they're not always pretty looking. 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:20.879 So I was like, well, let's put up a fence and some shrubbery and stuff. 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:22.240 He's not really convinced yet. 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:25.600 You're like Caddy Corner from you, they have a fence, right? 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:28.079 Yeah, and that's so that's nice. 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:30.079 It's nice to have that little privacy. 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:39.360 Yeah, well, you know, I'm tired of looking out our window, our sliding doors, and seeing the neighbor's dogs taking a crap in the backyard. 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:42.000 Popping a squad right there. 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:44.319 I mean, really. 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:49.120 Sometimes I walk out from the bedroom in the morning, and that's what I that's the sight I'm affronted with. 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:51.199 So I was like, okay, let's put something up. 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:51.839 Yeah. 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:54.480 It's gonna take some more convincing, though. 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:55.120 Yeah, I think. 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:56.240 Just keep at it. 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:57.920 You know you'll wear them down. 00:07:58.240 --> 00:07:58.560 Yeah. 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.759 I'm I I'll probably be, I'll probably get to that. 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:09.360 Yeah, so when we

replaced our our light, we made sure to get one that you could easily replace the bulb on. 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:15.680 The other one was some kind of um uh LED thing. 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:19.279 And I guess it's I don't know, it's supposed to last longer than it did. 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:21.439 I don't know why it didn't last, but I don't know. 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:22.079 It's very funny. 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:22.879 Live and learn. 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:23.600 Live and learn. 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:26.800 This one's cute, prettier, I think, and we can replace the bulb. 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:29.279 So that's the motto of our podcast. 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:31.120 Yeah, we never learned. 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:38.240 I can't believe I we got that, and you know, we got it because it looked cool, and we didn't look do anything beyond, yeah, it's cool. 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:39.519 Yeah. 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:42.320 Oh well. 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:47.279 Yeah, so uh we haven't been doing anything exciting. 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:50.720 Same old, same old, going for a lot of walks. 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:52.240 Uh, you know, same. 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:58.159 We but we finally finished all the Marvel movies, which I am so I mean, I like them, but I mean I'm marveled out. 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:01.759 I mean, just I'm so tired of of seeing we kind of gave up on that. 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:03.679 Yeah, it was it's just so much. 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:04.159 Yeah. 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:07.679 I'm more enjoying the Harry Potter stuff because my daughter's reading that. 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:12.399 She's now listening to it through the audiobook, and she's on the fourth book now. 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:15.840 I mean, it's a big book, so she's it's gonna take a while for her to get through it. 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:18.799 But she's liked watching the movies, and I I've liked that too. 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:22.799 Well, speaking of books, this is what our podcast is all about this week. 00:09:23.279 --> 00:09:32.320 And I am actually very excited about this episode because I feel like it talked forever, especially like all the books I've chosen and just books in general. 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:38.320 So we're doing our five favorite books, and we may, and it was a hard, it was hard to choose. 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:41.039 So we may have to do another episode where we choose five. 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:42.159 Five more books. 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:43.600 I know it was really hard. 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:50.799 And I mean, I you know, I sat there and thought, and because really whenever somebody uh has come up and said, What's your favorite book? 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:55.360 I've always hated that question because it really depends on what kind of book you're talking about, you know. 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:57.759 I mean, and what time of my life, the mood I'm in. 00:09:57.840 --> 00:09:59.679 I mean, it just makes all that. 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:02.399 So it was kind of it was very hard to pick five. 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:09.200 So I just ended up picking five that were kind of you know special or pivotal in my reading life and stuff. 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:10.159 So that's what I did. 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:20.000 Yeah, I think I ended up with a couple that weren't even pivotal, and I just remember just really reading it and just really being engrossed and loving the story. 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:23.600 And the couple are pivotal, but that's what I'm thinking. 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:34.799 Maybe somewhere down the line we do another episode of five more books because there were so many, and I could not even, you know, there were a couple that were like, yes, they are guaranteed on my list as five favorite. 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:35.120 Right. 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:38.159 But some of them were like, Oh, it could be this, it could be this, you know. 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:40.399 And like you said, it's do I want to cry today? 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:41.519 Do I want to laugh today? 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:41.759 Right. 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:43.679 You know, do I feel like science fiction? 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:45.759 Do I feel like romance? 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:47.039 You know, what do I want to read? 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:48.639 Yep, exactly. 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:56.000 And it's interesting because I, you know, as a writer, I've read a lot of books about what makes good stories. 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:06.559 And one of the most interesting was a book called Wired for Story, and it's the writer's guide to using brain science to hook readers from the very first sentence, and it's by Lisa Cron. 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:30.080 And I mean, it's really more of a book for writers, but what I thought was so interesting about it was that we like we're we gravitate towards stories that really um get the brain's desire to know what happens going because the we are it's an evol evolutionary drive for us to hear stories in order to learn. 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:43.360 You know, it's a way of us experiencing life, and we take what we read and stories we read and hear as life experience because it like adds up as part of what we know about the world. 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:44.960 Yeah, I absolutely agree. 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:48.879 And you and you take those characters and the storylines with you. 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:51.600 I mean, sometimes and I know we've talked about it. 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:56.000 Sometimes there's a sadness when you finish a book where you're like, Really? 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:57.840 I can't believe this story's over. 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:01.919 And that world is done now, and now I have to move on. 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:06.480 Yeah, and I I'm bad because stories like that I love, so I read very fast. 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:06.879 Yes. 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:14.159 And at the same time, I'm like, no, I want to enjoy it and like linger in the pages, but

I just gotta know what happened, so I gotta read fast. 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:16.159 Absolutely. 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:26.080 All right, so we'll get into what our lists are, but I don't know when you caught the bug of reading. 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:29.039 But for me, it was in the fifth grade. 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:39.679 And you know, I I come from an immigrant family, so my parents didn't know a lot about how school worked here or whatnot, what I should be reading, what's grade level, and all that. 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:40.320 Right. 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:46.639 And I was in the fifth grade, my sister in the second grade at that time, and she loved the Bearston Bear books. 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:47.279 Do you remember those? 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:48.480 Yes, I remember those. 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:54.799 Yeah, anyways, her and I have this thing about who can find, and you know, there's like hundreds of those books. 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:59.759 Who can find a Bearston Bear book that we haven't read, and we would read it together. 00:12:59.919 --> 00:13:10.799 So one day I was in the library, fifth grade, mind you, checking out Bearston Bear books, and the librarian looks at me and she's like, Are you gonna be reading this? 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:14.720 Because she started questioning me about why I was reading this. 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:19.919 And she told me that at my age and grade level, fifth grade, I should be reading chapter books. 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:21.759 And I had never read a chapter book. 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:26.879 You know, like now our kids are starting to read chapter books in the second and third grade. 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:29.600 Yeah because we're we push that. 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:34.000 Uh the school pushes that, but that wasn't the case when we were in school. 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:39.039 No, you didn't really start reading books and discussing them until high school. 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:39.519 Right. 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:45.759 Anyways, she took me to the stacks and she's like, you need to try this book first. 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:48.879 And it was Beezus in Ramona by Beverly Clearly. 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:49.279 Right. 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:56.000 And I remember just loving that story about that little girl and her sister, and I was hooked. 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:02.879 And ever since I went back, I finished that book, I went back and read all the Ramona books available at the library. 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:06.559 Then I started the Nancy Drew series, and it just went on from there. 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:11.279 The Babysitters Club series, the Sweet Hall Valley High series. 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:12.879 I mean, on and on. 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:21.440 But it was it was an addiction to these books, and it it has disrupted my life quite a few times. 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:25.600 Um, I remember in the sixth grade, you know, our kids take the FSAs. 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:28.000 We had whatever

estate assessments they were. 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:34.240 And the teacher said, When you're finished with a section, you can grab a book and read quietly till everyone's finished. 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:42.080 So I finished the first section, went to the class library in the back, and found the book Blubber by Judy Bloom. 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:47.200 And I was reading it and reading it while everyone was waiting, and it I was hooked. 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:48.480 It was so good. 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:57.440 So good, in fact, that when we continued the test, I just Christmas treated so I could get done and read, go back to reading. 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:03.600 I I really did that, and I didn't understand that how important these exams were, and I did not do well. 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:05.200 Oh man, man. 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:07.120 I bombed them on purpose. 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:07.919 Just to find out. 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:14.639 And then, you know, I would do things like hide books under my bed and read them. 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:25.279 I have in high school, I would hide books in my biology textbooks because it was a big thick book and read them, and my parents would pass my bedroom, my back would be to them, they would think I'd be studying. 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:30.320 But in fact, I was reading like BC Andrew books and Christopher Pike books and stuff. 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:36.399 And it's continued into adulthood where I stay up to all hours of the night reading and stuff and pay for it in the morning. 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:37.360 But oh yeah, I'm gonna be able to do that. 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:39.120 I mean, it's become an addiction. 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:40.320 Yep. 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:47.519 I I started when I was, I think, a little older than you because I remember really, really getting into it with the Sweet Valley High. 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:52.240 And I think I was in I was in junior high, maybe sixth, seventh, eighth, something like that. 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:55.919 But I remember it really, and it kind of goes back to that book I was talking about. 00:15:56.080 --> 00:16:05.919 I remember really wanting to learn how to be in high school and how to navigate friendships and how, you know, and it was I really felt like I was learning it. 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:08.399 I would devour those books, and there was a lot of them. 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:15.919 And I would go um to the used bookstore and I'd grab a couple, and then I think I'd read like two a night. 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:18.559 And I I mean I would just sit there and then I would reread them. 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:21.759 And I remember wanting to be one of those Wakefield twins. 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:22.960 When that was it, yeah. 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:23.519 Jessica was gonna be a girl. 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:26.320 And I would go back and forth between Elizabeth, I think. 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:27.600 That's yeah. 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:28.799 I

mean, I really love this. 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:29.600 Yeah. 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:37.840 And I would go back and forth because Elizabeth was very smart and studious, and Jessica was like popular, and so I would like a wow girl. 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:38.399 She was. 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:40.960 I would sometimes want to be one and sometimes wanted to be the other. 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:44.240 It's like I wanted to be both, like the best of both, of course. 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:47.679 You get involved in these characters' lives, you do, yeah. 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:56.639 And it was uh so you know, it's funny because I loved those kind of books, but I really, really did not like anything we read for school. 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:00.080 Anytime I had to, you know, read for school, I was like, well. 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:10.400 And uh it got better as I got older, but I I remember after reading those books, I would try to write my own books. 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:26.880 And I I would like, instead of just writing the story and focusing on that, I would like make pages that were the size of a book and like staple live together and then write on because that's hilarious. 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:40.079 Yeah, and at one time I remember I had written, because I think one of them had talked about their first kiss, and I hadn't had my first kiss yet, so I had written a little like first kiss scene. 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:45.200 Yeah, I didn't know it was a scene called then, but it was just I was writing about what I would want my first kiss to be. 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:49.839 And I wrote it and I was like, Oh, I don't, I didn't want to throw it away, but I didn't want my mom to find it. 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:51.359 So I hid it in my mattress. 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:56.880 Well, she's cleaning my room and fine finds it, and she's like, Who have you kissed? 00:17:57.920 --> 00:17:58.160 No. 00:17:58.559 --> 00:17:59.759 So that's really interesting. 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:01.920 We both hid reading material upstairs. 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:04.960 Yeah, and I yeah, I hid my writing and you read, yeah. 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:09.279 I mean, it was just Wow, how how rebellious were we? 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:12.160 Such bad girls. 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:18.319 I know, and you think now that if my kids were like trying to sneak and read extra, I would love it. 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:26.960 And if they were writing anything, you know, I mean, I would be a little concerned if my younger ones were writing about kissing, but yeah. 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:38.480 Well, my daughter has just started getting addicted to some books, and it's it happened because I finally relaxed about what she should be reading and let her choose what she wanted to read. 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:41.279 And it seems that her favorite genre is horror. 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:44.960 I mean, the most more messed up, the better for her, it seems. 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:48.559 Hey, I mean maybe she'll end up like Stephen King, you know? 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:49.200 I know. 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:50.640 I mean, and I'm like, I don't care. 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:53.839 Right now, her young her horror is young adult, right? 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:57.200 Where it's not like totally psycho-packed, right? 00:18:57.279 --> 00:18:57.359 Right. 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:08.240 It's spooky and but she's been loving the author Gina D'Aminco, and she has read a trilogy by her, which is about a young girl who's really a grim reaper. 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:09.599 Yeah. 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:12.799 And then she's read a couple of she read a book called Hellmouth. 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:14.079 Hellmouth. 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:15.200 I don't know. 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:18.720 It's by the same author, but it was young adults. 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:20.079 I was like, fine, whatever. 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:24.880 You know, and she would like to stay up till 10, 11 o'clock at night to read, which is very new for her. 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:25.920 So I was like, whatever. 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:28.319 Whatever you want to read, you go ahead as long as you're reading. 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:28.720 Right. 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:34.880 And that's what I found, even with my daughter, because I, you know, I know I've told you that she struggled that reading's very hard for her. 00:19:35.119 --> 00:19:35.359 Right. 00:19:35.599 --> 00:19:42.960 Reading words because she gets caught up in the semantics and the mechanics of actually reading that she gets pulled out of the story. 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:46.319 But with the audiobook, she will listen for hours. 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:51.920 She sits in there and she'll like build Legos absently, you know, and then just be listening. 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:57.839 And, you know, and I'll go in there and she'll be like, No, I'm so curious as what happens next. 00:19:58.079 --> 00:19:59.279 And that's so awesome. 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:01.200 For her, that is what weird for her. 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:05.599 Because usually she's like, you know, she'll be like, Is is my reading time up yet? 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:06.400 Am I done? 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:08.240 And you can tell she's not into the story. 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:13.759 Keep checking your phone for the timer to see if it's gonna be really close to ending. 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:14.640 Exactly. 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:28.160 And you know, she still does read, you know, and but it's so funny because she can listen to the Harry Potter books, which are above her the level that she can read at, but she can follow it just fine because she has a very big vocabulary and stuff. 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:32.960 It's just whatever problem she has with reading, yeah, you know, it brings her level down a little bit. 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:35.680 It doesn't matter if she's listening to them or reading to them. 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:36.079 Right. 00:20:36.160 -->

00:20:39.119 As long as she's engrossed in them, that's all that really matters. 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:40.079 Exactly. 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:43.519 So that brings us to what our favorites are. 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:45.440 Do you want to go first or do you want me to go first? 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:46.160 You go first. 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:47.519 You want me to go first? 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:49.759 Yeah, we're worried that we have some overlap. 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:54.079 So if that happens, we'll just talk about both of them and our thoughts on them. 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:54.960 But okay. 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:56.640 Yeah, I think that's a good strategy. 00:20:56.799 --> 00:20:56.960 Yeah. 00:20:57.119 --> 00:20:58.720 We've read a lot of the same books. 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:00.319 Say that again. 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:03.200 Since we've known each other, we have read a lot of the same books. 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:10.000 So yeah, well, you know, we had a book club for a while, so we did, and then whatever I like, I recommend to you, and vice versa. 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:10.960 Yeah, exactly. 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:11.680 Yeah. 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:19.279 So my first book on my list, um, we were assigned this book in the ninth grade IB English class. 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:26.480 And even though I loved reading, you know, some of the readings that you're assigned in high school can be cumbersome. 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:31.440 But this book really, I mean, it took me in and I was hooked. 00:21:31.759 --> 00:21:35.119 It was called, it's called Once in Future King by T. 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:35.599 H. 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:41.680 White, and it was first published in 1958, and it is the fantasy genre. 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:52.319 And it was about the youth and education of King Arthur, his rule as king, and the romance between um Sir Lancelot and Queen Guinevere. 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:52.960 Oh, nice. 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:59.680 And the interesting thing in this book was that Merlin, the wizard, he lived through time backward. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:00.319 Oh. 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:09.359 So in the beginning of the book, he starts when he's teaching Arthur Arthur, he starts off as an old old wizard, and he just gets younger as time goes through. 00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:11.519 So like a Benjamin Button. 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:12.720 Say that again. 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:14.240 Like Benjamin Button. 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:16.799 Yes, like exactly like Benjamin Button. 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:23.599 And he teaches Arthur how to be a good king because he can see the future and he knows what's coming and stuff. 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:28.720 And he transforms him into different animals and makes him live as these animals for a while. 00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:30.799 Like a fish, bird, etc. 00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:36.799 Anyways, this was one of the books assigned that throughout high school that really stuck with me. 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:39.200 And I went through it, I think, in three days. 00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:40.240 It was so good. 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:41.440 That's awesome. 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:42.880 I've never read it. 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:44.079 I've never even heard of it. 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:45.599 So I'll have to look at that. 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:49.839 I probably never would have either if it wasn't a sign being published in 1958. 00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:51.599 It's been a long time, you know. 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:55.599 But of course, we have to write essays on these books, and that I never enjoyed. 00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:57.279 But I did always love reading them. 00:22:57.519 --> 00:22:57.759 Yeah. 00:22:57.920 --> 00:22:58.480 That sounds good. 00:22:58.640 --> 00:22:59.599 So that's my first book. 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:00.160 Okay. 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:01.119 That was a good one. 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:08.160 And it's good to, you know, it sounds like you had a lot more interesting type books, maybe being in the IB program or whatever. 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:12.480 I had like Nathaniel Hawthorne, Scarlet Letter, and I mean just the worst. 00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:13.519 Nathaniel Hawthorne. 00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:14.079 The worst. 00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:16.000 I'm sorry, I don't like Nathaniel. 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:18.880 I mean, he is like my most unfavorite author. 00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:22.319 The Puritans in general, I can't stand reading about that. 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:22.880 Yeah. 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:28.559 Well, like I said, some of the assigned readings in high school, they're really kind of like cumbersome and hard to get through. 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:32.240 You know, I remember we read this one book called The Heart of Darkness. 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:34.640 Oh my God, that book was horrible. 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:42.319 And I tried and tried to read it, and I think I just ended up not reading and trying to find summaries and stuff because it was that bad. 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:43.039 Yeah. 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:47.839 Well, I remember my uh junior year, we had to do a junior theme. 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:51.279 And they had a sheet that they were passing around. 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:57.519 You had to draw a number, and then you passed around the sheet and you found who what number of the author you and the short story that you read. 00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:04.640 And there was like 50 authors on this, and I'm like, I'm I don't care who I get, as long as it's not Nathaniel Hawthorne. 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:06.720 You're Nathaniel Hawthorne. 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:08.720 It's like young Goodman Brown or something. 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:10.079 What horrible story. 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:10.880 I mean, I don't know. 00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:14.160 I didn't I don't get into them, but I remember being like, what? 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:21.119 I must have like what the secret, you know, you put it out there, and it must have

been like, oh, I hear Nathaniel Hawthorne. 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:23.279 I'm gonna give you Nathaniel Hawthorne. 00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:25.519 He's a little dark. 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:26.240 Oh yeah. 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:26.880 He's dark. 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:28.799 We had to read his Blissdill Romance. 00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:30.000 I believe that's by Hawthorne. 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:30.559 I think so. 00:24:30.799 --> 00:24:31.759 And it was it was dark. 00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:34.799 And I read Scarlet Letter on my own, and it was dark too. 00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:35.279 Yeah. 00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:36.240 Yeah. 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:38.480 So what's the what's the first book on your list? 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:38.960 Okay. 00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:40.960 So it was really hard for me. 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:42.160 Same author. 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:45.200 I was I I struggled with which one of it. 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:51.119 But uh the first one I read of her, which pulled me in a lot, was Fountainhead by Ayn Rand. 00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:56.000 And but I also read Atlas Shrugged, and they were both equally, but they're very similar. 00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:02.880 So, but I read that in high school, and I remember being like really torn. 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:05.599 And I think that's why it has stuck with me. 00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:17.119 Because like I'm reading this, and a lot and a lot of it made sense, you know, because she came from the communist Russia, which uh this, you know, they were having everybody equal, right? 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:20.960 And you couldn't shine, you couldn't all your gifts that you may be talented with. 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:31.680 I get that, and I don't think that you know, people who are really good at something necessarily need to give their gifts away, but they were v overly selfish in the book too. 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:35.039 Like they were like, I'm so awesome, I don't even need to help anybody. 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:45.599 And it just so I remember thinking, like, you know, and it I was I was it was really one of the first books that I hadn't read that was that wasn't a romance or school related, you know. 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:52.960 It was like a more thinking book, and I just remember being really fascinated by it, and I I couldn't put it down, and they were pretty big books. 00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:57.759 Um, but I don't you know, I've never read those, and maybe I should give one of them a try. 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:01.839 Yeah, I also read We the People, which was a book by her. 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:11.839 I read a couple other books, but I remember that one, and the whole time you read it, which it took me a while to get used to, was she wrote it as we because it was the whole communist party. 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:13.839 Like you're you're you don't speak for yourself. 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:23.519 So the whole thing was we do this, we do it was it was very odd, but it was interesting, and it was about uh actually escaping from um the communism. 00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:36.880 But it it was I just remember it really impacted me and and got me thinking and and expanded my reading beyond just romance and funny, ha ha, you know, like lighthearted stuff. 00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:41.759 And so yeah, that and it, you know, that it was kind of more pivotal for me, so that's why it stuck out. 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:44.240 I I haven't read uh, you know, part of me wants to reread them. 00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:44.880 Maybe I will. 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:48.960 I've watched the Atlas Shrug show they had years ago. 00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:51.599 I don't remember where, maybe Netflix, I don't know. 00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:54.640 And it was it reminded me, you know, of how they were. 00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:58.720 And I I I really liked them, but they did I didn't really completely agree with them. 00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:02.960 I remember being like one minute like, yeah, and the next minute like, what? 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:03.920 Jerk? 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:05.599 Jerk. 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:13.599 And but the other good thing is, and I like to read it, is that the there's all in both books there was a very powerful woman. 00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:16.400 Like in she was heading up a company. 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:19.839 In both ones, they had powerful women, so I like that. 00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:27.680 Well, speaking of powerful women, um, the book, next book on my list is The Help by Catherine Stockett. 00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:29.200 I considered that one. 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:29.920 You did? 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:30.640 Yes, I did. 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:35.920 So that book, you know, it's it's a um more modern, the modern time, what is it? 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:39.359 I think it was 2007, nine, two thousand nine. 00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:39.519 Yeah. 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:41.759 We read it for a book club, right? 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:43.359 Didn't we read it for a book club? 00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:44.079 Yes, we did. 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:45.200 I have that as a note. 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:47.519 We read it as a book club book. 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:50.000 But it was it's by Katherine Stockett. 00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:54.000 And if no one's read, if you have not read this book, I highly recommend it. 00:27:54.160 --> 00:28:06.160 It's an easy read, but the characters in this book, both the antagonists and protagonists, are written so richly, and they're so the characters are written in so in-depth. 00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:21.839 Um the book is about African Americans working in white households in Jackson, Mississippi in the early 1960s and the struggles they went through, and the struggles of the white families as well that they uh worked for. 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:22.240 Right. 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:28.240 And I remember picking this book up and finishing it in two days because it was so good. 00:28:28.559 -->

00:28:29.839 I zoomed through it as well. 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:31.039 It was very good. 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:37.519 And you know, there were they they talked about all the struggles, but there was a light side to the book too. 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:51.759 The the friendship of the women and the African-American uh ladies that came into work and the friendships they formed with their white uh household um the ladies there that worked for them. 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:56.720 Uh what was uh the main characters that wrote was writing the book at the end. 00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:58.799 Um she was played by Emma Stone. 00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:00.720 Yeah, I don't remember her name. 00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:02.960 And then um Minnie. 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:06.000 She was a hilarious character. 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:10.160 I like the one too, played by Jessica Chastain. 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:10.960 Chastain? 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:12.079 Yeah, is that how you say her name? 00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:13.839 Yeah, her character was really good too. 00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:16.319 Remember, she Minnie was teaching her how to fry chicken. 00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:21.039 And they and they ended up becoming such good friends in the book, anyways. 00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:24.480 That was that was a book that I loved, and I like the movie too. 00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:25.119 Me too. 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:25.599 It was good. 00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:27.119 We saw the movie together, didn't we? 00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:27.839 Yes, we did. 00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:28.400 Yes. 00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:30.319 That was a very good one. 00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:32.720 All right. 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:39.200 My next one is Postmortem by Patricia Cornwell. 00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:46.559 And one reason why I put this on there was for one, I got obsessed with Scarpet the Scarpeta series that she did. 00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:52.319 And I loved, and again, this was in the 90s when I was early in my career. 00:29:52.480 --> 00:30:04.319 And I'm not, you know, I I've never been really taught like loving medical stuff, but it had enough that really pulled me into what that world would be like, but there was a lot of drama too, you know. 00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:09.920 So I mean, I would read these obsessively, and I've one right after another. 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:12.480 And there was, I mean, there's like a dozen books of these. 00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:23.920 Um it got to a point near the end where you know how sometimes they um they really grasp at how to keep the story going, and then people die and then they come back and then they die. 00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:41.680 There was a little bit of that, like you know, and I kind of lost a little interest because it really wasn't the same type of books, but man, I loved these books, and I I loved a powerful woman too, again, you know, and uh in a uh in unique role, a role like she was a medical examiner. 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:49.839 I I would never know anything about that, and it was also a little bit of death and gore, you know, like yeah, and who did it? 00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:52.960 Who doesn't like a little bit of death and gore, you know? 00:30:54.720 --> 00:31:05.440 Well, you know what you make what you were saying about the series kind of starting to get a little repetitive and formulaic, that tends to happen. 00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:09.200 But they the first few books in their series always grabs you, right? 00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:21.519 And it starts to I remember I used to read um Robin Cook a lot, and he was a medical doctor, and he wrote a lot of medical uh drama books. 00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:23.599 And the first one I read of his was Coma. 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:37.359 Yeah, and I think there was a movie on that, and a couple other ones, and it's all about how the insurance companies um manipulate the system and the um what do you call it, the patients. 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:44.000 And one of the books I remember was like, you know, uh the black market of organ sale. 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:44.559 Yeah. 00:31:44.720 --> 00:32:06.079 So, you know, but I was involved in the first couple of books, but then it starts to get, you know, a little like okay, I've read the same story and yeah, and and I read a lot of them, and I don't remember how many, but I remember picking up uh one of the later ones because I think I'd gone away from it for a while because I got a little tired of it, and I tried to pick it up again, and I'm like, you know what, it's just not the same. 00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:08.240 It just didn't hold the same thing for you. 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:11.599 Yeah, and it just it lost a little something. 00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:13.200 But I love the beginning with it. 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:14.960 So it made an impact. 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:16.000 Yes, it really did. 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:18.400 I was I really loved those books. 00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:20.480 All right, what's your next one? 00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:29.359 So the next um book on my list, uh keeping with the strong women theme, is Jane Austen's Sense and Sensibility. 00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:29.839 Okay. 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:37.759 And I didn't really get into reading Austin until I was in grad school, maybe around the age of 22, 23. 00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:46.160 And, you know, growing up, I'd always loved uh her movies and series, you know, that BBC would do, or PBS and the movies. 00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:51.359 And so I was like, you know, I should, I should actually try and reading her books. 00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:55.759 So I did, and Sense and Sensibility was the first one, and I loved it. 00:32:55.839 --> 00:33:04.000 You know, it was a little bit of a slower read because of the language, but you know, I love that she writes strong women. 00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:15.039 Even back in the early 1800s when she was writing, she had the forethought to write strong, intelligent, smart main character, uh, main

characters who are women. 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:27.440 And anyways, this sense and sensibility is about two sisters, the Dashwood sisters, and how they come of age and all the they go through poverty and overcoming many things that women do in the early 1800s. 00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:28.480 But I love that book. 00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:29.599 And I love it too. 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:37.839 The movie with Emma Thompson and Kate Winslit and Alan or Colonel Brandon, he's my favorite hero, Colonel Brandon. 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:40.319 I know he is such a good guy, you know. 00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:44.079 He is, yeah, and Alan Rickman played him so well. 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:44.960 He really did. 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:46.400 I remember how tortured he was. 00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:56.880 When Alan Rickman passed away, the only and he played Snape and Harry Potter in so many roles, but I was sad for losing Colonel Brandon. 00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:59.039 I know me too. 00:33:59.920 --> 00:34:02.960 That was and didn't Emma Thompson write that screenplay? 00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.319 She did, and she wrote, she adapted the book so beautifully. 00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:08.000 Oh my gosh, it was so good. 00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:08.960 Yeah. 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:10.159 Okay, next. 00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:14.320 Well, next, um, I'll switch my order around a little bit. 00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:19.199 Just because to keep with that theme, my favorite book was Pride and Prejudice of Jane Austen. 00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:20.880 Yes. 00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:25.840 I mean, I and I read again the first time I read it was in college. 00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:35.199 And I had flown, I'd started reading it when I was on a flight to go to New Jersey and go into Manhattan for the first time. 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:37.360 And I could not put the book down. 00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:41.199 And I remember we were in the hotel room and I was reading, and they're like, You ready to go? 00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:47.679 And I wanted to go see New York, but man, I was like, Ugh, can we wait just like you know, till I finish this? 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:50.639 And they were like, What? 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:51.679 Fine. 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:56.159 So um, but and I since then I've read it, I think two more times. 00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:57.519 I've watched the movie. 00:34:57.840 --> 00:34:58.320 Oh, yeah. 00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:00.320 Yeah, and I love the um Karen. 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:01.360 Darcy. 00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:01.920 Oh yeah. 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:02.400 Yeah. 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:06.639 And um, there's another one I've watched with uh Colin Firth. 00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:07.119 Yeah, yeah. 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:07.760 Wasn't he Mr. 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:08.000 Darcy? 00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:08.639 Yeah. 00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:16.400 And it was another reason why I liked Bridget Jones so much because he she talked about, you know, um Mr. 00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:16.800 Darcy. 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:17.840 Him being her Mr. 00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:18.239 Darcy. 00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:19.280 Yeah, because wasn't his name. 00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:20.079 What was his name? 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:20.719 Darcy Darcy. 00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:21.760 It was Darcy, yeah. 00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:23.039 So yeah, I loved all that. 00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:23.920 Yeah, so it was good. 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:24.719 I love I love that. 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:25.920 That's one of the tropes. 00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:36.639 I mean, I don't want to say Jane Austen is anything uh is like trope, but it's since it is a a trope of where people are kind of like enemies, enemies to lovers, that kind of thing. 00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:37.760 I love that. 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:42.960 I love and I love when people over which they do this in all period pieces. 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:47.119 Somebody overhears something they shouldn't have heard, and then I love all that drama. 00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:51.360 I wouldn't want it in my life, but yeah, no, I don't want it in my life. 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:55.679 I don't want anybody overhearing anything, but I love watching it on TV or reading about it. 00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:58.159 I know Down Abbey and all that. 00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:00.559 Oh, yes, absolutely. 00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:03.199 But Jane Austin, I love all her books and characters. 00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:03.840 Me too. 00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:05.840 Emma's another one I love of hers. 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:11.760 And I really had to choose which one was my favorite, and I think sense and sensibility, but I loved Emma. 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:14.880 Um, I've read Persuasion, and that was okay. 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:18.880 But I think the top three are Emma, Pride and Prejudice, and Sense and Sensibility. 00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:21.440 Yeah, and she also did Mansfield Park, which I thought was good. 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:22.000 I mean, all those. 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:23.199 I think that was good too. 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:25.760 Yeah, but like you said, those are my top three as well. 00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:29.280 Yeah, and I still have not read Northhanger Abbey, though. 00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:30.639 I don't know if I have. 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:31.679 I don't think I have either. 00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:31.920 Yeah. 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:33.360 I'm gonna look that up on it. 00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:34.559 Okay. 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:36.960 So that was my next book. 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:39.840 I have a feeling this one may be on your list. 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:42.079 So if it is, you know, jump in. 00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:42.400 Okay. 00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:46.880 But it's uh Outlander by Diana Gabaldon. 00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:47.760 Gabaldon? 00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:48.880 Gabaldon? 00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:49.760 Gabaldon. 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:50.239 Yeah, okay. 00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:55.039 Um, it was almost made my it was if I can

if I had a name six, it was there. 00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:59.840 I had to really go because I remember feeling that book big time, yeah. 00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:00.639 Especially the first book. 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:01.840 This book, yeah. 00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:05.599 This book, man, I went through so many feelings through this book. 00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:06.079 I know. 00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:10.559 I know anxiety, just the romance, the adventure. 00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:14.400 Anyways, let me get into what for those who have not read what it is. 00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:17.760 It's a series, and I think she slotted to write 10 books. 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:19.519 She has published nine of them. 00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:21.599 I have only read the first four. 00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:22.079 Okay. 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.199 Um, I do not have plans to read any of the rest. 00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:31.199 Um, the first one is what's on my list, the first book in that series, and it is my favorite. 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:31.920 Me too. 00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:48.079 Um, as a little recap, it's about a British combat nurse, Claire Beecham, in 1945, who travels back in time to the 18th century Scotland, where she meets Jamie, a Highland warrior, and adventure and romance ensue. 00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:49.119 Oh, yeah. 00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:50.239 Big time. 00:37:50.639 --> 00:38:00.400 And I'm talking about major adventure and wars, death, you know, uh, kidnapping, and much, much worse towards the end. 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:04.400 Um, it was a book that I could not put down. 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:08.239 I thought the story was so well written, and it was believable. 00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:11.599 The time travel was absolutely believable, you know. 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:12.559 It really was. 00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:16.800 And I remember, you know, the romance part of it, especially. 00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:21.119 I remember just feeling so like full of like, love what I was reading. 00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:25.519 Parts of that, like all happy, like, wow, the world makes sense, you know? 00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:33.679 And the chemistry between these two characters, like when they were apart, all you were thinking was, when are they gonna get back together? 00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:39.440 Because the anxiety of them being apart and never seeing each other again was a lot to take in. 00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:40.000 Right. 00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:47.360 And I love it because I didn't really read much, I didn't really like look at a big summary. 00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:51.440 Uh, a lot of times when I go to read a book, um, I'll just kind of get a vague sense. 00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:53.280 I don't want to know any details and stuff. 00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:56.719 So I didn't really know much about this book other than the time travel. 00:38:56.960 --> 00:39:14.559 And I remember even the first scene where she's brushing her hair, and you they talk about a Scottish guy,

you know, looking out a ghost, looking at yeah, and I'm just like, oh my gosh, you know, and then um then when as we're reading it, I didn't really know that Jamie was. 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:20.960 I mean, I Jamie, they didn't really play him up at the beginning until it started building and building, and then all of a sudden you're like, Jamie. 00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:24.960 And and man, what a character James Frazier is. 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:25.760 I know. 00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:34.079 So if anyone has not read this book, at least read the first and second book. 00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:44.960 And the only reason I say read the second is the first one ends with kind of a cliffhanger, kind of a it's not tied up in a pretty bow kind of an ending. 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:48.800 And if you really want to know what happens next, maybe read the second one. 00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.159 But they've made a series on HB, no, stars. 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:56.159 Stars is uh producing the series, and it's been pretty good. 00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:59.440 Yeah, I'm watching the fifth one now, but uh I love that one. 00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.239 I read it, I have read it more than twice already. 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:03.039 Oh wow. 00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:07.519 Yeah, I just because you know, you sit there, you're waiting for books to come in, and what do I read? 00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:10.880 And it's a great book for me to read right at bedtime. 00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:17.360 Just something I'll just pick a random spot in the book and read it so I can feel sleepy and fall asleep. 00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:18.239 Yeah, it's good. 00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:29.920 I read the first three, but then after that, I was kind of like, you know, I kind of it the thing is is that even the first one, but it didn't bother me as much as the first one, but the other ones, it's just it's a it's political. 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:34.079 And she's even said, the author has said that her books aren't romance books. 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:41.199 That's not why she I mean there is romance in them, but they're not romance books, they're more political, and that's not that appealing to me. 00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:46.719 And there's so much drama that I'm like, it's exhausting to read it. 00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:54.239 And well, in real life, this many the the amount of bad luck that befalls this couple would have killed anybody. 00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:55.440 Exactly. 00:40:56.159 --> 00:41:05.360 And the reason I didn't go to the fifth book was the fourth book ends relatively, you know, in a peaceful way. 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:09.679 And then the fifth book picks up with the American Revolutionary War. 00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:14.960 And I just could not read any more war books because that's what the first one is. 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:26.239 The first one is about the Scottish and British um conflict and the battle at Kolladan and the death and the the wiping out of the Highland culture. 00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:26.400 Right. 00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:36.800 And it's it's so heart-wrenching and it's uh filled with anxiety that I did not want to read any more about the American Revolution because we all know from a history books how bad it was. 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:38.239 I didn't want to read that either. 00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:47.519 Jamie, uh, from what I excerpts I read, Jamie is um kind of blackmailed into being on the British side. 00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:49.119 So you know that's not gonna end well. 00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:53.440 No, yeah, anyway, so I was like, I can't read anymore, I'll just watch. 00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:57.199 There's some like brutality in these books, too. 00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:08.800 Like, I mean, there I remember in the end near the end of Outlander how brutal you know, people are beaten and stuff, and it's like, oh, I mean, it's just the brutality doesn't end, right? 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:09.440 It doesn't. 00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.800 So yeah, but it's a great, it's a great story. 00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:14.320 And it's yeah, me too. 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:15.199 I loved it. 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:18.960 And it really, I was sitting there like, oh, should I put that one on there? 00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:24.400 But there were some other ones that felt more impactful or that I like to tad better. 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.519 So all right, so go on with your, I think your fourth one. 00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:30.719 Yes, my fourth one is a book club book that we did. 00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:33.760 Uh Snowflower and the Secret Fan by Lisa Sword. 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.760 That book was so good, and that was one of the books that was almost on my list, too. 00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:39.199 Yes, it is so good. 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:44.239 It's about um China, uh 19th century China. 00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:50.800 But anyway, there's uh two girls that are friends, and it's this is during the whole like foot binding time. 00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:55.199 And this was the first book I had ever read or even knew about footbinding. 00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:56.079 So I read and I read. 00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:02.639 The binding chair The Emancipation of the Foot Binding Society or something like that. 00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:05.280 Okay, that was the first book I read about the foot binding. 00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:07.599 And then we read this snowflower book. 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:13.039 Yes, and then after this, I think you said you gave me the suggestion for the binding chair or something like that. 00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:14.239 That's the one I'm talking about. 00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:17.440 Okay, I did read that one, but I read it after this snowflower. 00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:19.039 So I read this one first. 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:29.440 Um but so it was but it's all about the female friendship and you know how women were treated and stuff and uh marriages and everything. 00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:36.400 Like, yeah, it was

it was that was an intense, not a relaxing, I mean it was like an emotional It was sad, yeah. 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:42.400 I mean, it was and it was a great book for our book club, the discussions and the everything you talked about. 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:49.920 It was it was very interesting, and plus I liked learning about another culture that I had didn't really a side of it that I didn't know anything about. 00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:52.639 Yeah, I would not have wanted to find it. 00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:56.079 That was I cannot even imagine what the women went through. 00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:59.360 For people who don't know, in China, what century did you say? 00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:01.840 This Says 19th century for this book. 00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:04.159 So it was 19th century and earlier. 00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:10.239 It was a uh tradition that was um it was around carried on through many, many hundreds of years. 00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:20.800 And what they do to the young girls is when they're in toddlers, they start binding their feet because small feet is what was attractive to men, the smaller the better. 00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:26.719 And they would bend their pinky toes into their foot and bind it so that it was like this point. 00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:27.199 Right. 00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:30.000 Yeah. 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:31.519 And it bones would break. 00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:33.920 Bones would like break, wouldn't they? 00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:35.840 Like I mean, just oh my god. 00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:38.239 And they got to the point that the women couldn't walk. 00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:38.719 Right. 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.760 They could like shuffle barely with certain kinds of shoes. 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:42.320 Yeah. 00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:44.000 It was it was horrible. 00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:44.800 It's a horror. 00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:49.679 It's like it's so sad. 00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:53.119 And like I can't even imagine that that's a sad moving story. 00:44:53.440 --> 00:45:03.119 Little kids had to go through it, and women had to be like basically deformed, their feet deformed, and you know, but they were doing it to these girls on purpose. 00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:12.639 And the women didn't have the power to fight back because it was their mothers who was doing it to their children, because that's just what the patriarchy was. 00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:18.559 Well, the smaller the feet, you know, that was part of that when they were getting married, their feet were part of it. 00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:19.679 That's weird. 00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:21.920 It's a little weird too. 00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:24.000 How are their feet? 00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:27.039 It's probably the last thing we talk about now. 00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:29.760 Yeah. 00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:31.440 So they but it was a good book. 00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:34.159 So are we on I think I'm on my fifth book. 00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:34.719 Yes. 00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:36.320 Fifth number five. 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:43.199 I don't know if this is on your list or not, but this book, it was the first one when I thought of this list. 00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:44.880 I was like, I'm gonna, this is it. 00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:46.719 And it's the Harry Potter series. 00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:47.760 Is that on your list? 00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:48.320 Yes. 00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:49.519 That's my fifth one, too. 00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:51.840 So we can talk about is this your fifth book too? 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:52.960 Yeah, my fifth book. 00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:59.679 I actually put the seventh book of the series as my favorite because it was my favorite out of all of them. 00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:03.039 I have reread, I haven't reread the other ones, but I have reread that one. 00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:04.000 I loved that book. 00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:05.199 I put all seven of them. 00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:08.400 And I have reread all of them multiple times. 00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:12.400 But it the way I got into this book is kind of interesting. 00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:17.599 I saw the second movie first above anything else. 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:20.480 I hadn't seen the first movie, I hadn't read any of the books. 00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:23.199 I didn't even know that this series existed. 00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:24.800 I didn't came out as a thing. 00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:25.199 Right. 00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:29.280 It came out as a young, as a kid book, like a middle grade book. 00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:31.280 And you were in high school when it came out. 00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:32.559 No, I was in middle school. 00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:33.440 College. 00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:34.000 That's what I meant. 00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:35.039 College when it came out. 00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:35.360 Yeah. 00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:39.679 So I was in my mid-20s when I first saw this Chamber of Secrets movie. 00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:41.440 And I saw it with a girlfriend of mine. 00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:44.639 And I was like, when it was done, I was like, that was a really good book. 00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:49.039 I love the characters and the um uh the story. 00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:53.119 And she's like, Yeah, you could should you should borrow my first movie and watch it. 00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:55.440 Why I didn't before, I don't know. 00:46:55.760 --> 00:47:00.559 And then she's like, I have the first four books, which were the only ones that were published at that time. 00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:03.679 So I went through the first four in record time. 00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:14.559 And then after that, every time a book was ready to come out, I was make sure I was on the pre-order list and I would wait by the mailbox, could not wait for the mail to come. 00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:21.280 And then after that, that's all I did for a day, two couple of days, two to three days until they were done was read that book. 00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:27.760 And it's

funny because I got married in 2003, and that's when the fifth book came out, The Order of the Phoenix. 00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:29.280 And I had already read it. 00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:47.199 But with all I graduated grad school two weeks before I got married, so it was a crazy time, and I didn't have time to really go to the bookstore, get anything for the honeymoon or anything, so I just threw that book in to my luggage and was like, oh, I'll just reread it again, and I did. 00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:48.079 That's awesome. 00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:52.320 It was yeah, but I've reread them the whole series multiple times. 00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:58.079 Yeah, my kids have uh my two sons, because my daughter is, they're rereading the it again. 00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:00.639 They love, they'll just read it and read it and read it. 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:04.000 If if someone told me you want to go re-read them now, I would. 00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:05.760 I would totally drop everything and reread them now. 00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:06.400 I mean, J.K. 00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:08.639 Rowling, what a what a fabulous writer. 00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:13.039 And every time I reread the series, I pick up on stuff that I hadn't before. 00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:13.840 Right. 00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:25.920 And I I first read them when my my husband, when we were first dating, he had read the first couple and he had seen the first couple movies, and I had I didn't even know anything. 00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:29.599 Because I mean I by this point when he had said that, I was in my career. 00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:30.960 I was I didn't have kids. 00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:33.519 I I, you know, I wasn't even in school. 00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:37.119 Um, so he told me, I'm like, okay, yeah, I'll read them. 00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:39.519 He had them and he borrowed the first two, and I really liked them. 00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:43.039 Even though they were kids, I still liked, I thought it was great. 00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:43.920 It was so interesting. 00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:48.960 And then the same thing with you like I would get them and read them as fast as I could. 00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:52.639 And I I'd remember the last one came out. 00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:53.760 We knew each other, didn't we? 00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:56.000 We knew each other, we read it simultaneously. 00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:56.400 Right. 00:48:56.480 --> 00:49:01.119 And I I just remember I was like, I read it so fast, and it's good that I reread it. 00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:04.079 I don't reread books, I rarely reread a book. 00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:13.760 I just I'd rather read something new, but man, this one, I'm so glad I did reread it because I think I read it so fast the first time I kind of maybe missed some stuff just because I was like, what's going on? 00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:15.039 What's gonna happen? 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:15.519 Right. 00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:20.320 But it was and I think we didn't we see a couple of movies together too. 00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:21.199 Yeah, I think so. 00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:23.679 I mean, I think I think we had double dates. 00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:25.119 Our husbands came along. 00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:26.000 Yeah, you're right. 00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:33.519 Because and it's funny, is I started, you know, I've zoomed through all the books, and my husband read the first three or four, but then he gave up. 00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:34.960 He just started watching the movies. 00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:45.840 He loved he went through a phase though, because he was doing uh grad school and all this, and you know, was working a lot and kids, and he just could now he read more than he did back then. 00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:46.480 But yeah. 00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:50.639 Well, I'm glad that one of our books was um parallel. 00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:51.360 That was good. 00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:57.440 But you know, the other ones, I mean, we both picked a Jane Austen, which I knew we would both pick one. 00:49:57.599 --> 00:49:58.559 I just didn't know which one. 00:49:58.719 --> 00:49:58.880 Yeah. 00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:02.880 Well, you know, the Snowflower and Sneaker fan, I debated between that one and the help. 00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:03.920 Right, and I did too. 00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:07.360 Those were the two that I sat there and were like, which one? 00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:15.760 So, I mean, to me, that's like it's one of those, and there were a couple other book club books that I liked, but those were the top ones, those were the ones that really stood out. 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:18.880 I also considered, remember that Molokai book? 00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:20.880 Molokai, yes, I considered it. 00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:35.760 Yeah, I considered that, but I didn't quite remember it as being impactful, you know, because I just couldn't remember as much detail as I could from the Snowflower and The Secret Fans, so that's why I was like, I picked that one because Molokai was right there at the cusp. 00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:40.400 Yeah, so that was a little bit on the top of my list, but I couldn't remember the story as much, like you said. 00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:45.039 Yeah, some of the other ones I considered was Bridget Jones' diary. 00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:46.000 Yeah, yeah. 00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:48.320 Uh Memoirs of a geisha. 00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:49.119 Yes. 00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:52.320 Um, and there's a couple more, but maybe I should save it for our next one. 00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:59.199 Yeah, we'll save that for the next because I've actually, while we were talking, I thought of the one book I couldn't believe it was I've not on my list because it used to be my favorite. 00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:00.480 So I'll save that for next time. 00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:00.960 Okay. 00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:01.920 Suspense. 00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:03.760 So should we do our media moment now? 00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:03.920 Yeah. 00:51:04.400 -->

00:51:05.280 Talk about more books. 00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:06.320 More books? 00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:07.199 Move on. 00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:07.679 All right. 00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:09.440 It's time for the media moment. 00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:15.920 Um, so I did finish Where the Crawdads Sing by Delia Owens. 00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:17.440 Yeah, and you finished it too. 00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:18.320 What did you think? 00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:19.360 I loved it. 00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:24.159 Well, first of all, I waited for this book for 10 to 12 weeks to come through from the library. 00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:26.239 Um, did you say the author? 00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:27.760 Delia Owens, right? 00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:28.960 Is that how you say her name? 00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:29.280 Yeah. 00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:30.320 Yeah. 00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:32.239 I loved this book. 00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:33.840 I love this book. 00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:35.920 I didn't expect it to be as good. 00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:41.119 Um, because a lot of the books right now that are popular, I pick them up and I'm disappointed. 00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:43.599 So I was like, oh, surely this is gonna be the same. 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:48.880 But it, I mean, even though the beginning was slow, right, it picked up pretty quick. 00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:51.280 And once it picked up, I was hooked. 00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:54.559 It was such a good story, and it was such a sad story. 00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:55.519 It really was. 00:51:55.679 --> 00:52:11.039 And I think I had what's funny is that I had started this book in the fall, and I only read like the first chapter or two, which is very early, and it says it in the thing, it's where basically her whole family leaves her, and I had trouble like putting my my head around that. 00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:13.440 Like, would that really happen in a world, you know? 00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:17.679 Like it just seems so intense, not just her parent or mom, but like everybody. 00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:23.760 And so I was kind of like uh wasn't feeling it, but then I kept seeing it pop up as everybody's saying, it's so good, it's okay. 00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:30.159 So I forced myself, I'm like, I'm just gonna get through and put my doubts aside and whatever, and just keep reading it. 00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:31.760 And I'm glad I did because I liked it. 00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:49.119 So, for a quick summary for our listeners, it takes place during the early 50s through the 60s in 1970, and it's about a young girl in the growing up in the North Carolina Marsh, and her whole family abandons her and without giving too much away for one reason or the other. 00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:50.559 At what is she like seven? 00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:52.000 Yeah, she's like seven years old. 00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:56.880 And I I just part of me, even when like her older brothers and sisters, they just left. 00:52:57.039 --> 00:52:59.199 I mean, just yeah, left a seven-year-old. 00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:00.480 I mean, just yeah. 00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:10.400 And you can understand why they left when you read the book, but they all left and she basically raised herself in a shack on the marsh of North Carolina. 00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:12.800 Um, what'd you think of the ending? 00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:14.559 I liked it, I thought it was good. 00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:15.679 Yeah, it was good, yeah. 00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:16.159 I agree. 00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:19.679 Um I yeah, I mean there's like a twist. 00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:24.320 So yeah, yeah, I don't I'm trying not to give away the twist for those who want to read it because it was a good twist. 00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:28.480 Well, I wanted to talk about two points of the book, and I don't think it gives too much of the story away. 00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:37.039 Okay, but these two points made me anxious, gave me so much anxiety that first quarter of the book until they were resolved. 00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:39.840 Well, number one was that this little girl couldn't read. 00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:40.639 Yeah, yeah. 00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:41.440 That was stressful. 00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:44.320 Nobody had taught her, and then that's why she's on her own, right? 00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:44.800 Yeah. 00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:47.519 And then that she didn't wear shoes. 00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:51.360 I knew the whole time I'm reading, I'm like, Diva's gonna hate the shoe thing. 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.039 She just can't stand. 00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:57.440 I hate it when people don't wear shoes. 00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:00.480 It's one thing, you know, you don't wear shoes in your house. 00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:00.880 I get it. 00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:02.400 We don't wear shoes in our house at all. 00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:08.400 But once you step foot out of that house, I don't care if you live in a mansion or a shack, you should be wearing shoes. 00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:11.519 Yeah, your feet should be covered with a shoe. 00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:12.320 I know. 00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.280 And this girl, she goes to school for one day. 00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:16.960 She went to school without shoes. 00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:20.800 And the truancy officer who came and got her, she's like, it's okay. 00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:22.559 A lot of kids go to school without shoes. 00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:24.880 You can just go on, get on, get dressed, and go. 00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:25.199 Yeah. 00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:26.079 I was like, what? 00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:29.519 And then her dad takes her to this restaurant and she goes in there without shoes. 00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:36.159 And the whole time I'm thinking, what is she feeling with her bare feet on the floor of a restaurant? 00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:37.199 I know. 00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:38.239 It's so funny. 00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:44.880 And I, you know, it didn't, it bothered me a tad because I'm just like, I don't know, I think

about she could cut her foot. 00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:51.760 So I mean, you know, like it's like, uh, but then the whole time I'm thinking, too, like, when Deepa resists, it's gonna really bother her. 00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:53.440 It bothered me so much. 00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:57.360 She even went to the piggly wiggly to get groceries without shoes. 00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:03.519 Luckily, the situation was resolved fairly early on into the book, too. 00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:06.079 So I was like, okay, now she's set for life. 00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:07.360 She can read if she has shoes. 00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:08.320 Yes. 00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:17.679 And it's so, you know, it reminds me of when we because there, I don't really like very many animated movies, but I really like the tangled animated movie about Rapunzel. 00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:21.119 I just with Mandy Moore and Zachary Levy, I think. 00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:22.400 But I love that movie. 00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:22.960 I don't know why. 00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:30.000 And I'll say that to you, and you're like, but she goes into town and she gets all this your hair braided and stuff, and she couldn't get some shoes. 00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:37.519 She went, she went from her tower all the way into town with that man with no shoes on. 00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:40.400 And I remember the first time I didn't even notice. 00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:41.360 And I was like, I don't know. 00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:42.639 Is she barefoot? 00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:43.760 And you're like, Yeah. 00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:49.679 And so now when I'm watching her dancing around in the town, I'm like, yeah, she doesn't have shoes on. 00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:50.960 I'm like, you know. 00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:52.400 He he messed up. 00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:55.199 Somebody paid to get her hair braided with all the flowers and stuff. 00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:57.519 They couldn't pair pay for a pair of shoes. 00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:00.320 That's all I was saying. 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:02.559 Well, you know, my husband's like you too. 00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:07.519 Because we were walking in a park and there were some kids running around, and he was like, That's gross. 00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:08.960 I was like, what? 00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:09.599 I see it. 00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:14.000 I ran around, but I ran around in Texas without shoes. 00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:18.480 And you know, to a point, because then you you would step on a sticker. 00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:20.239 Uh what we call it. 00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:21.679 Like the hard bird. 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:22.639 Yeah, the hard. 00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:24.639 And then it would be like, ow. 00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:26.559 So I started wearing shoes because of that. 00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:31.199 But a lot of times, if I, you know, if I was, I would tiptoe around the shoes outside if I didn't have to put on shoes. 00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:34.800 And so it doesn't bother me as much, but man, it

bothers you guys. 00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:37.599 Well, um, I cannot claim the same. 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:39.119 I always wore shoes. 00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:47.679 For the real I think early on, I was just grossed out by people not wearing shoes, right? 00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:55.280 Oh, so I have also started the discovery of witches, which you told me about. 00:56:55.440 --> 00:57:01.360 And I'm about I've really enjoying it, and I'm about 40% through, and I've been reading it for a couple days. 00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:07.119 Uh I have only read in the morning because the afternoon's been super busy with school. 00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.800 And then in the late afternoon, I watch a little stuff with the kids. 00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:11.760 We're watching psych. 00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:16.320 Um, maybe the older my boys, and my daughter's doing, you know, watching whatever. 00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:21.920 But so I haven't gotten to read as much as I want, but I'm about almost halfway through and only for a couple days. 00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:24.000 The beginning was slow, don't you think? 00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:27.920 A little, but I didn't really it what didn't slow it, it didn't bother me at all. 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.199 I was kind of Yeah, once he walks into her life, it picks up. 00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:37.840 And I think because the way, like there was the first page or two, I was like, what's going on? 00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:39.039 She's in a library. 00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:46.079 And then then some she said that as she walked by, a witch looked at her and witches can feel, and I was like, ooh. 00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:48.639 I mean, that line really got me. 00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:50.639 And so then I, you know, so it's it's good. 00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:55.599 And then, you know, once a vampire walks into your life, I mean, how can it not get interesting? 00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:56.079 Yeah. 00:57:56.239 --> 00:58:06.639 But you know, as I'm the all the when I'm reading it, it I can't help but be reminded of Edward in some of the things he says where I don't want to hurt you and you smell good. 00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:16.239 This book was described, and I first saw it on a Facebook sponsored ad, and on that ad, it was described as the adult version of Twilight. 00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:18.320 Yes, and I do like that it's adult, more adult. 00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:27.440 But you can still see some common friends through it. 00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:32.400 Yeah, that kind of overprotecting it protectiveness by the male vampire. 00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:33.519 But that's just one part. 00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:37.039 I mean, they there's witches and the demon demons, yeah. 00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:40.239 Um, those that's something that's totally different from Twilight. 00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:42.079 And so there's so much more involved, yeah. 00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:43.440 She's a strong character. 00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:50.559 And I like that she's strong, but like she's that she's reluctant to use her magic, but then part of me is like, come on, use it. 00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:52.239 But I think that's part of it. 00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:57.519 Yeah, okay. 00:58:57.760 --> 00:58:59.440 So that it's been that's good. 00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:00.000 What about you? 00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:00.719 What are you reading? 00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:01.360 Anything? 00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:05.119 Um, no, where the cra dad's saying, oh yeah, you just finished that, right? 00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:10.719 Um, I'm waiting for so many more books to come through, and they're the weeks are six weeks and above. 00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:12.719 I want to read such a fun age. 00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:17.599 Then there was another book, um Giver of the Stars. 00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:18.800 Giver of Stars. 00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:20.480 That sounds familiar. 00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:22.000 Maybe I've seen that somewhere. 00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:23.519 Yeah, I'm waiting for that. 00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:25.199 And then another vampire book. 00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:25.760 Oh, okay. 00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:29.840 And this one was um, I don't know where I saw it. 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:36.000 Someone was um talking about Halloween books or whatever, and this was so highly rated. 00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:40.880 It was supposed to be funny and uh dramatic at the same time. 00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:44.800 It's called The Southerner's Guide to Vampire Slang or something like that. 00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:54.159 I'll have to look up the book, and it's a Southern women's club, you know, learning how to kill vampires or something like that from the premise. 00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:56.400 So I'm interested to read that. 00:59:56.639 --> 01:00:02.960 But other than that, we've been we've been watching um let's see, we watched The Letter for the King. 01:00:03.039 --> 01:00:04.960 That's new on Netflix with the kids. 01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:06.880 Okay, um, as PG. 01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:13.119 It's about this young boy who becomes a knight and has to deliver a very important letter to the king. 01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:14.719 Kids like the first episode. 01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:16.719 Okay, so it's a series, it's a series. 01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:20.239 And then for kicks, we watched Cool Runnings on Disney Plus. 01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:21.760 The kids have never seen it. 01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:22.960 Oh, you watch it with the kids? 01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:24.400 I remember that movie. 01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:30.719 It was very kid appropriate, and it's about as you remember, the Jamaican Bob's letting kids. 01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:31.760 Yeah, that's all I remember. 01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:33.119 I don't remember anything else about it. 01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:33.519 Was it good? 01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:35.440 Give it a try with the kids. 01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:35.920 Okay. 01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:38.079 They laughed the whole way through. 01:00:38.239 --> 01:00:38.880

Okay, cool. 01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:40.079 It was hilarious. 01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:44.639 And even my husband and I, you know, I think this must have been just my second time watching it. 01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:46.480 We we were like, this is hilarious, you know. 01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:52.239 Yeah, it would only be my I've I've watched it, but you know, when it came out, I barely remember any of it. 01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:54.400 So okay, yeah, and where was that on? 01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:56.000 Uh Disney Plus. 01:00:56.159 --> 01:00:57.039 Oh, okay, cool. 01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:02.159 So the next two things I've been watching, I've only watched a couple episodes, are period pieces. 01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:08.960 The first one is, and they're both by Julian Fellows, who is the creator and producer of Downtown Abbey. 01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:10.000 Oh, okay. 01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:12.000 Uh the first is the English game. 01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:20.079 It's a series on Netflix, and it's set in 1880s England, and it's about the invention of football, or as we like to say, soccer. 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:30.960 And how it rose to become the world game, and it crossed, it had a cross-class divides because it was initially just an upperclassman game. 01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:31.360 Right. 01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:37.760 Uh in the they crossed the divides of workers and stuff, and how that all comes about. 01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:40.239 And then the second is and that's on Netflix. 01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:43.440 And the second is Belgravia, also by Julian Fellows. 01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:47.519 He actually wrote this novel and then adapted it to the screen. 01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:50.880 And it's available on Epics, which is an app. 01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:51.199 Okay. 01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:53.760 Um, you can access it through Apple TV. 01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:54.239 Okay. 01:01:55.360 --> 01:02:01.840 Uh, it's about, of course, you know, secrets scandals of the upper class of London society in early 19th century. 01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:03.360 I'm always a sucker for that. 01:02:03.519 --> 01:02:05.039 Yes, that's good though. 01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:09.280 I've watched the first two to three episodes and it's already drugged me in. 01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:15.679 But I any I love anything downtown Abbey, Jane Austen, Matthew, and I like all that too. 01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:16.000 Yeah. 01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:17.360 Maybe I'll have to check those out. 01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:23.599 We we haven't been watching anything other than Marvel movies, so I'm excited to let that to move on. 01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:32.960 There's I think this weekend, my husband and I were like, we really want to watch something for us and not, you know. 01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:40.079 So I think we're gonna uh let the kids watch uh Do Little because we're not as interested in that. 01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:46.159 We're gonna let them watch Do Little while we watch this Kristen Stewart underwater. 01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:47.679 I think it's called Underwater. 01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:50.000 I'll have to look out once we watch it, I'll look up the name. 01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:51.280 But it's some kind of sci-fi. 01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:54.159 It's a sci-fi underwater, I think. 01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:57.039 Um I saw the preview, but it was a few weeks ago, I already forgot. 01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:59.039 So I think we're gonna try to watch that this weekend. 01:02:59.119 --> 01:02:59.679 So I'll let you know. 01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:00.800 Let me know what you think. 01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:01.039 Yeah. 01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:04.000 But did you watch the SNL this past week? 01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:06.480 We didn't watch the past week. 01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:09.840 The only one we watched so far is the one with Justin Timberlake. 01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:13.519 Oh, and how he's in the five five-timer group. 01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:15.360 Oh, I don't know what that is. 01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:16.800 That was a couple weeks ago. 01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:19.199 Okay, I don't for some reason I missed that one. 01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:25.280 That one was hilarious because they brought on Chevy Chase, Martin Short, is that a release Martin? 01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:26.079 Sorry? 01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:27.280 Is that a rerun? 01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:30.320 No, it was right when the lockdown happened. 01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:32.239 Oh, maybe we missed that one then. 01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:34.559 I'll have to go back and check because I don't remember seeing that. 01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:36.719 Was he doing it for trolls or something? 01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:37.519 What was that? 01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:38.320 I don't remember. 01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:39.440 I don't remember all that. 01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:42.000 Dan Ackroyd was there, Alec Baldwin, Tom Hanks. 01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:48.480 It was and of course we've only watched like the first 20 minutes of it because we don't really get TV time anymore to ourselves. 01:03:48.639 --> 01:03:49.119 Yeah. 01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:51.599 But um it was pretty funny. 01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:55.760 Well, we've watched the last, I think they had two since the lockdown. 01:03:55.840 --> 01:04:01.280 So they're all like people recording skits out of the the cast members out of their homes. 01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:04.960 And they had Brad Pitt this last week doing Fauci. 01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:06.559 And it was so funny. 01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:07.280 It was funny. 01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:13.840 Yeah, and so there was that, and then there was one that had um Snapchat filter. 01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:29.199 Uh a woman was interviewing another guy who was at home with his kids, and his daughter was recording him and kept putting a Snapchat filter on him to make him look like a little kid, and she was like, Um, the person interviewing him was like, Do you have a filter on? 01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:31.280 Because you look like a pig or something. 01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:32.159 It was or a cat. 01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:33.360 It was really funny. 01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:36.880 And um, they had a couple other really funny ones. 01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:39.760 Um, they had Big Poppy, you know, big mannequin less. 01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:46.320 And it was him doing it at home, making, and he was like making uh in his big pot. 01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:49.039 He's like, I can't find any Mofungo. 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:55.679 So yeah, you'll have to get to recorded, but we haven't gotten to watch them yet. 01:04:56.079 --> 01:04:58.159 This week was better than the previous week. 01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:12.320 With the the the first time they did it, or it was like maybe two weeks ago, but um the first time they did the remote uh social distance appropriate one, it was kind of like clunky and not that funny, but this week was more funny. 01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:12.880 Okay. 01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:14.639 Well, maybe we'll just skip straight to that one. 01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:15.760 Well, there was some good part. 01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:24.320 If you do watch the one from the before this one, they had the weekend update where they interviewed Alec Baldwin as Trump, and it was really funny. 01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:27.760 I don't remember what Alex said, but it was funny. 01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:39.920 All right, all right, so I guess um we have we're probably gonna have one more episode coming out for this season, and then we'll take the be taken this summer off just because it's really hard to do this with the kids running around. 01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:42.880 We've been lucky, no kid has interrupted us. 01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:43.920 Yeah. 01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:52.079 Yes, yeah. 01:05:52.239 --> 01:05:54.880 So that'll start September, early September. 01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:59.599 Uh so tune in for our last episode coming in a couple weeks. 01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:00.000 Okay. 01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:01.119 Bye. 01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:04.559 Thanks for listening to the We Never Learn Podcast. 01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:07.920 Don't forget to subscribe on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. 01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:11.199 You can also follow us on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. 01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:14.639 And visit us on we never learnpodcast.com.