Episode 16 JJ Abram’s Star Trek Chat의 전체 녹취록

cast Carl Urban as McCoy, I was so surprised because he's usually like an action guy, like he was in Dread, he was in Riddick, he was in uh Lord of the Rings, and he is so good, one of my favorite characters in the in those movies. 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:00.240 Um I apologize, I cut you off. 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:07.279 No, no, you you can definitely I I could definitely see him as a younger DeForest Kelly. 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:07.920 Yes. 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:12.240 Uh the mannerisms, you could tell he did put uh quite a bit of homework in. 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:15.360 He did put his own spin on the character a little bit. 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:21.759 Um maybe a little bit more crotchety than uh the original uh Bones McCoy was. 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:26.160 Uh, but you know, I I think that overall it was a good casting. 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:33.839 Um, you know, and at the same time, you you had to have bridge with Leonard Nimoy as Spock. 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:38.959 Um for you know, old Spock was was really good. 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:47.759 Uh so but I I I I think that overall the movie was a little clunky. 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:52.959 Um, you know, you you did have a decent antagonist. 00:06:53.279 --> 00:07:12.560 Uh but you know, you kind of go from okay, so you know, the whole premise was uh Nero was upset and pretty much lost his mind the fact that Romulus was destroyed by the supernova, and though Spock was there to try to save it, he didn't get it. 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:17.600 We get this it is fun that Picard does pick up with that. 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:20.160 That is one of my in season one. 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:32.319 I mean, that is really fun that you know we get to see the continuation of timeline, and so you know, we have another group of writers coming in and saying, Okay, this is truly canon now. 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:33.839 We are going to keep it. 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:45.040 Romulus was destroyed by a supernova, the Romulans were displaced, so that all treks, and then also at the same time that this is whenever Ambassador Spock disappears. 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:50.720 And nobody really knows because they're off doing their own thing on another timeline. 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:57.519 Um, you know, Nero, I think he's he's a decent antagonist. 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:05.360 Uh I think they probably could have leveled him up a little bit uh because you know, his character, he's in charge of a mining vessel. 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:14.480 Uh so there's only so much you can do, but a mining vessel from his time period going back over a hundred years, yeah, that thing kind of kicks ass. 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:22.000 So um, you know, against the Star uh Starfleet ships of the day, uh just on its massive scale and everything. 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:31.759 Uh the one thing I will say that I'm a little critical on is I know you're trying they're trying to develop the relationship between Kirk and Spock. 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:35.200 And they're trying to do it on kind of a fast track. 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:48.639 Whereas, you know, as if we go back and we look at Strange New Worlds, Kirk and Spock develop a working relationship with each other even before Kirk steps on the bridge of the enterprise as the captain. 00:08:49.679 --> 00:09:02.159 Whereas in the movie, we have you know essentially Spock and Kirk being forced into a working relationship, and it does not go well. 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:07.919 Um towards the end of the movie, everything kind of smooths out a little bit. 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:15.840 You see a little bit of the trust between the two characters, a little bit of a rapport with them, but Spock still needs to be nudged a little bit. 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:25.919 And Kirk, even though um, with um whenever William Shatner played him, was a little bit of a loose canon, Chris Pines Kirk is even more of a loose canon. 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:41.120 You know, I think um you know I think that probably could have been done a little bit better because they were pretty much antagonist with each other the entire movie until Kirk basically gets Spock to go completely, you know, emotional. 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:42.000 Yeah. 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:57.679 So, and then he kind of had a little bit of an insight on that because you know Leonard Nimoy's Spock character in the movie pretty much said, I am emotionally compromised, and if you force my younger self to face this, he will show that too. 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:04.720 Um so yeah, no, I mean overall, uh in my opinion, it was a good movie. 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:19.279 I think it could have been better, but you know, compared to some of the other franchise reboots and newer movies that have come out on older franchises, um, you know, I will say it was far from a disappointment. 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:22.559 So, Tom, what were what were your thoughts on Star Trek? 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:26.320 So when I saw it back in 2009, I really liked it. 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:36.639 Um at this point, I I'd seen most, but not all, of the um original series movies. 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:47.919 And like I've said multiple times, I've never I've seen clips in like certain episodes, but like I've never really sat down and watched all of the original series. 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:52.799 I remember when I walked out, like I my dad and I were like, I I was like, that was really good. 00:10:53.039 --> 00:11:00.320 My dad kind of agreed, and like a couple of a couple of hardcore fans were there and they were they kind of said the same thing. 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:09.440 They were like, well, he referring to me, did the he doesn't really know, like, you know, like you know, a lot of the backstory, whatever, but they said they liked it too. 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:26.799 Um the you know the theme the theme with this movie and the next one is that JJ Abrams really likes to just kind of remake the movies that are already

there. 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:34.399 And so that that is a little it's not I I personally don't think it's as obvious in this one. 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:40.399 I think the next one he really kind of leans heavy to it, and we'll we'll talk about it when we get there. 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:50.000 Um I actually, when I sat down and watched all three of these, I made I made some notes, just a couple points I wanted to make that I thought were interesting. 00:11:50.320 --> 00:12:07.279 Um so in both timelines, in and you probably know some of this because I'm sure it's in the other shows, that in both timelines, Kirk's dad was an officer on the Kelvin. 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:07.759 Yes. 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:24.000 Uh apparently he was just a lieutenant in the main timeline, and then I don't know if he was commander, like like lieutenant commander in the movie, but and then also I like I like those uniforms in the beginning. 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:39.919 I don't know, like I it was it was it was simple, it was only two colors, and you know, just I thought the design was kind of sleek, and I don't know, you know, I'm a weird thing about movies uh or uh cot uh bah bah uniforms. 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:40.639 Yes, yes. 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:54.480 Yeah, I didn't you know one thing I didn't really care for the Starfleet I think I mean it was a Starfleet dress uniform and the star the Starfleet Academy uniforms in Star Trek um with the hat. 00:12:54.960 --> 00:13:02.080 We'd never seen a hat in any other Star Wars Star Trek movie, show, or anything, and they had hats in this one. 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:03.519 It was just weird. 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:06.320 I um let's this what what what else do we have? 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:06.799 Weird. 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:13.360 Um I I do not understand how star dates work. 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:14.720 I don't know if you do. 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:19.279 I couldn't really I never really dug into it to be honest with you. 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:20.720 I just kind of went with it. 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:32.720 I I Googled it, and it it I guess there's like a s so apparently originally there was no set way, it was just the numbers they said to be like, oh, future. 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:42.080 And then I guess like in later shows, like I guess people have pieced together what it is, but I I didn't really get it, so I didn't write anything down. 00:13:42.559 --> 00:14:02.480 I kind of go more of the fact that the original series was more in the 22nd century and next generation was in the 23rd century, and then we go to Picard, which is the early 24th century, and then we will mention it, you know, and then you have the fast forward to Discovery, which is in the later d episodes of Discovery, which are in the 32nd century. 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:18.240 So um, you know, in the beginning of the movie, um, with um you know, Kid Kirk getting chased by the cops, a couple of things I thought about were um what was Kirk's

plan? 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:21.759 Like, yeah, obviously he was you know joyriding in the car. 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:27.279 I think there was a deleted scene where like he was running from like his abusive stepdad or something like that, or just maybe not abusive step. 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:28.799 Or was this his uncle or something? 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:29.519 I can't remember. 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:30.879 I'm trying to remember back to that. 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:39.360 But yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, he he lost both his parents, and I'm guessing he was not in the best home situation. 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:59.759 So, I mean, uh, any of those are gonna make a kid act out, but I mean, because Kirk is just Kirk, and he is go he is destined to go on and be a starship captain, you know, you have that re you I think that's where it plants that he is a much more rebellious streak in him than what the William Shatner Kirk was. 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:00.799 Oh, absolutely. 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:16.960 But my my thing was, you know, he's running from the cop, and then did he not see the huge like gap in the the the what I don't know what you would call that crevice and waits until the last second to jump and almost slide off the cliff himself? 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:28.799 Well, I I think it just I mean, I don't want to go down to you know diagnosing a character's mental psyche and everything with that, but I mean obviously he's he's got some issues. 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:32.559 I don't know if it was like uh you know the thrill of the near death. 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:36.879 Oh, maybe which is kind of a Kirk trademark a little bit. 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:51.840 Um I also and I'm sure that in the real world, I'm sure it's just a um a sponsor or product placement, but I enjoy that apparently in whatever year that is, Nokia is still around. 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:52.960 I looked it up. 00:15:53.279 --> 00:16:03.120 As of like right now in 2026, Nokia is 83 years old, and somehow it still lasted all the way. 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:05.679 I didn't know Nokia was still around. 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:10.720 Um they're just waiting for that comeback here in another two centuries. 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:11.519 Exactly. 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:15.200 And then and then also in all caps, sabotage. 00:16:16.080 --> 00:16:21.440 That just just you know that the song, which will obviously we'll come back around to. 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:31.120 Um one thing I I also was trying to look up is that I never understood what Vulcan Kulinar was. 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:46.559 I thought that because like I I thought that it was like a ritual where like they literally like purged their emotions completely, but apparently that's not entirely accurate. 00:16:46.720 --> 00:17:03.519 It's more like a state of mind because they were saying that like I like apparently throughout the original series and the like accompanying novels that apparently Spock keeps talking about how he's gonna do it, he's gonna go through with it, he's debating it. 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:10.079 And you know, it's funny I think he was kind of doing that in Star Trek The Motion Picture. 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:16.880 So that I was just about to say because I was like, okay, maybe if I catch a scene about it, I'll understand it better. 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:25.519 And when I watched it, I was so confused because I'm like, oh, they're speaking Vulcan and there's no subtitles. 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:29.200 I'm like, so I'm not gonna understand any of this. 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:32.880 Turns out, um, they were not speaking Vulcan. 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:41.599 Um, it got to the next scene, and I don't know if it was German or what it was when I realized Kirk was also talking in quote Vulcan. 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:49.119 I was watching the wrong thing, but even in English, didn't really provide too much. 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:53.839 Um sorry, I'm trying to rapid fire these because I know like we're not really a deep dive podcast. 00:17:54.400 --> 00:18:05.599 And I think, you know, essentially, I mean, to put it in like the most simplest terms possible, is the Vulcans take all their emotions, they put them in a box in their mind, and they just store it away. 00:18:05.839 --> 00:18:07.839 Sometimes that box opens back up. 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:09.759 Duh, I guess I guess I guess so. 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:11.920 Um couple couple other things. 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:22.319 Uh so the Starfleet bar the bar fight in the movie, uh, all those guys are in Starfleet uniforms, and that just seems like a no-no. 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:31.279 Like, you know, I know that Starfleet is not a military, but I know that we have a mutual friend who was in the Air Force, I believe. 00:18:31.599 --> 00:18:36.480 And he told me one time a story about how he got in trouble for being out. 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:44.880 I don't remember what exactly happened, but because he was in his uniform, he kind of got uh not like you know, like you know, reprimanded for it. 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:54.079 Um also in Pennsylvania, we have this thing, I don't know if it's throughout the whole state, I know it's where we live, called VoTech, where it's like a trade school. 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:55.440 Yeah, it is statewide. 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:59.200 In New York, they have uh Boseys, I don't know about everywhere else. 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:08.160 But apparently I enjoy that Starfleet's apparently a Vogech operation since um it only takes eight years to be captain. 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:10.640 Like that seems like that's not long enough. 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:23.599 Um maybe, you know, like eight years to be captain, I guess it, you know, it doesn't specify if it's all schoolwork or if it's like if like you have to go out and have like experience. 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:24.640 I I don't know. 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:27.200 Either way, eight years doesn't seem long

enough. 00:19:28.160 --> 00:19:38.559 Well, I mean it we have at that point it's early Starfleet, so everyone's they're expanding, so they need they need experienced officers on the ships as quickly as they can. 00:19:38.799 --> 00:20:12.000 But you know, I will say, and uh because only because he's in two of the three um movies, is I I want to say that I think uh Bruce Greenwood as Captain Pike was a very good casting, and he kind of assumes kind of like that um mentor role to kind of bring everything together, um, and then he does kind of see this a similar fate as we see Pike in the prime universe, um, you know, at least in a wheelchair, but still um oh no more. 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:12.640 Okay, yeah. 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:18.960 So yeah, but uh so I I think uh you know, let's transition into darkness. 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:22.720 Well, before before we do, if you don't, I'm gonna streamline this. 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:23.119 Okay. 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:26.240 I'm gonna just pick the ones that I really wanted to talk about real quick. 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:27.119 Okay. 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:44.720 Um so um there I enjoy there was a deleted scene where the green alien, who is not the same alien uh from the original series, but the same race, that just opens up like an email, and that's what crashes the Kobayashi Maru. 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:53.759 Um there is a computer voice in like the beginning of the movie, like at one point, that is still Major Majel Barrett. 00:20:54.400 --> 00:21:03.359 Um the Spock and Uhura relationship apparently leads back to the original series. 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:20.640 Apparently, the actors both said that there were like underlying themes of a connection and that they kind of played off the idea that Spock, in his emotional state from Vulcan's destruction, made him more vulnerable to like a relationship. 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:21.920 That's a really good point. 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:23.279 Um R.I.P. 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:27.359 Leonard Nimoy, you already said the reference in Picard. 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:31.359 Um there's a documentary out there if you haven't watched it. 00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:42.799 Originally it was a celebration of Star Trek, but they um it was but they when Robert Robert Leonard Nimoy died, it was directed by his son. 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:45.119 It became like a memoir to him. 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:48.400 And I think yeah, I I I re I think I have seen it. 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:56.400 And they talk about how he he did so he did so like responsible for pretty much everything Vulcan. 00:21:56.559 --> 00:22:02.880 Like the nerve pinch, all that, the the The sign like it was him just like spitballing wool. 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:04.799 If he's an alien, he should do this. 00:22:05.119 --> 00:22:11.920 Um, again, uh, Enterprise coming out of the smoke at the end of the movie still looks cool. 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:14.480 Will Wheaton has a cameo in it. 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:19.440 And lastly, Enterprise Bridge, not as bright as I thought, but still too bright. 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:19.839 Yes. 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:21.920 Anyways, and let's move into darkness. 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:23.599 I have much less notes on this one. 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:28.400 I say, I mean, yeah, we what we ended with a bright Enterprise Bridge going into darkness. 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:44.079 So uh I I I'm gonna keep my discussion on this a little bit shorter than um the first movie, um, simply because you know, Wrath of Khan was is in you know still, in my opinion, the best Star Trek movie, period. 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:49.519 Uh you had so much of that movie that was great. 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:52.000 It rebooted the franchise. 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:59.119 You had character development, you had starship battles, you had Kirk just being Kirk. 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:10.880 And so, you know, we we open up Star Trek in the Darkness where Kirk and Spock are Captain and First Officer, but they haven't quite really figured out how each other ticks yet. 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:20.480 And then you see Kirk getting demoted and uh Pike coming back to command the Enterprise again, even though he's an admiral at this point. 00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:27.920 Uh you see Carol Marcus um, you know, have you know, make her appearance into everything. 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:34.880 Um, but then, you know, the one thing I will say is I really like how they set up Khan. 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:40.559 I don't like how they tried to pretty much redo the whole second half of Wrath of Con. 00:23:41.039 --> 00:24:06.240 The first two, I will say the first half of Rathicon and the first half of Star Trek in the Darkness are two completely separate movies with some little overlying themes with characters and everything, but the whole Section 31 finds Khan and is like, okay, we are still dealing with a universe out there that we do that there's a lot of threats in. 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:11.680 You know, Romulans from the future coming back and almost destroying half of Starfleet. 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:16.000 We we need to do something to really, you know, kind of beef ourselves up. 00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:20.480 So they find Khan and they're like, okay, this guy should probably have some really good ideas. 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:27.920 Of course, they they're playing with fire because he is a megalomaniac, extremely intelligent. 00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:45.279 I mean, the whole, you know, oh, I for I I'm drawing a blank right now for the whole uh genetic enhancements that they did during that uh the genetic wars that Earth goes through whenever Khan is almost takes over the world and everything. 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:58.640 But, you know, then we get to the second half of the movie where there's okay, so the first part, you know, Spock dies in Wrath of Khan, Kirk almost dies in into darkness. 00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:04.000 Now, I will say with that, sorry

Tom, I you're you're like over there like jumping up and down really excited. 00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:06.240 I just know it I that was the thing. 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:09.599 I remember even thinking about it the first time I watched it. 00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:14.480 I want to know if JJ knew he wasn't coming back for three. 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:16.400 Because that was my thought. 00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:20.640 My like one of my last thoughts was during when they brought Kirk bad back. 00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:25.920 I said, thank God, because I don't think I can watch The Search for Kirk. 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:38.640 Um Yeah, because I they did that, and I'm just like I I I remember watching it for the first time, and I they got that, and Kirk dies, and like you have got to be kidding me. 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:49.680 Like you've taken such one of the most iconic scenes in Star Trek, and you just absolutely trashed on it by rewriting it a com you know a different way. 00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:57.519 Now, of course, he doesn't die, and Bones comes back and like, oh yeah, I took some of his blood and infused it into you, and now you got better kind of deal. 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:01.039 But, you know, I will say, I wish the movie would have been better. 00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:13.440 I think they could have I think they could have still done everything justice by just having Khan maybe as a main as the main antagonist. 00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:18.000 Because I will say, other than the fights and stuff, he's actually kind of the sideshow. 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:18.480 Yeah. 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:22.240 Everything with Admiral Marcus and the vengeance. 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:23.680 I think that's that's the that was my. 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:29.119 Yeah, that was the name of the big Starfleet ship, the like the battleship that they built. 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:41.279 But he turns out that he's the main villain of the whole entire thing, because he he's taken Starfleet ideals and said, no, I'm going to do whatever I can to make sure that Earth and Starfleet are safe. 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:43.680 So I'm gonna build this massive ship. 00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:49.119 I'm gonna develop an entire strategy based on what this megalomaniac is telling us. 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:56.079 And I'm just gonna do whatever the heck I want and to the consequences be damned kind of deal. 00:26:56.319 --> 00:27:03.119 Uh so, you know, yeah, Khan's the villain of the movie, but he's really not the main antagonist. 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:09.759 You know, the funny thing about Khan is that, first of all, I will say, I thought Benedict Cumberbatch did a good job. 00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:10.240 Yeah, I agree. 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:26.640 I don't think anybody, like, he like he kind of put his own spin on it, but I think that's good because I could not imagine anybody trying to imitate and be as good as uh Ricardo, I never pronounce his last name right. 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:27.359 Right, yeah. 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:32.240 Um so but like it was just so funny because I remember seeing things online. 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:36.720 Oh, it's uh no JJ, no, it's not Khan. 00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:40.400 No, it's not Khan, and the whole internet's just like, oh, it's Khan. 00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:41.039 It's Khan. 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:41.440 Yeah. 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:54.400 Um, you know, I I also love in the beginning when Kirk and Spock are being reprimanded, and I I just I love sassy Spock. 00:27:54.720 --> 00:28:06.240 I don't know, I don't know if that's true to his character, but like does that the back and forth when he's like, are you are you I can't remember what he says, but he's like, I'm using multiple whatever's you know, to which are you referring? 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:20.400 Um I you know, I I something else I yo I don't know why, but you know, when Scotty quits and then Kirk on the fly just promotes Chekhov and he's like, go get a red shirt. 00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:22.559 I'm like, is that really what's important right now? 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:24.160 Like with your the mission you're on? 00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:27.680 Like, if like I I don't know, I guess that doesn't matter. 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:31.359 I never realized Khan was also 300 years old. 00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:35.200 Well, I mean too frozen and technically, yeah. 00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:42.880 He's three he's 300 years old, but I mean uh once you get him out of the freezer, he doesn't really look a day above like 40. 00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:51.440 Um, yeah, I also um the there's the foreshadowing of Captain Sulu, um, that I thought I thought that was cool. 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:57.119 Um where I said with uh Marcus's ship, everything's better in black. 00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:06.400 That's true, and I think that just contrasts the okay, we have the Enterprise, which is good, and then you have Admiral Marcus and the Vengeance, which is bad. 00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:15.039 Oh, yeah, and then and then I also the other thing that surprised me, I didn't realize how strong Spock is. 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:24.559 I like like he obviously is not a match per se against Khan, but like you know, he he gets his licks in. 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:31.200 I mean the the pla the the level fit uh the play field is definitely leveled with that. 00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:45.920 I mean, yeah, it the Vulcans do have superior strength to humans, which which is so apparently I I saw online apparently they are three times stronger than humans because Vulcan has higher gravity, so they have like dense denser muscles. 00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:49.599 And then uh last but not least, tribles. 00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:58.559 I um I I did not I that's all I just I saw that and I was like, oh here we go, Tribbles. 00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:07.119 Yeah, but um I'll also and then also I apologize, I keep saying one last thing, but uh bones and his metaphors. 00:30:07.279 -->

00:30:11.599 I I started writing some of them down, but oh well this one I only had one. 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:16.640 I love I love the line you don't rob a bank when the getaway car has a flat tire. 00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:22.160 I just I don't it's it's good it's it's good writing, I think. 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:23.359 That was good writing. 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.160 But that's all I have for this one. 00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:33.599 That one like I say, you know, Indotrack, it's it is my least favorite of the uh Calvin movies. 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:36.799 But it's not a bad movie. 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:37.519 I agree. 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:48.160 Unless if you had never watched a Star Trek movie before, and there's someone sits you down and says, Hey, watch this movie, I think you're gonna think, okay, it's pretty good. 00:30:48.400 --> 00:31:00.799 Now, for someone who, you know, really kind of goes a little bit deeper into some of the movies and has watched them so many times, and you're like, you're watching, it's like, okay, that was in Wrath of Con. 00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:02.720 Alright, that's similar to Wrath of Khan. 00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:04.480 Well, that's like Wrath of Khan. 00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:08.480 Wait a minute, that is the exact opposite of what happened in Wrath of Con. 00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:14.880 It kind of ruins it a little bit, but you know, I will say it's my least favorite, but it's still a decent movie. 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:21.039 So on that note, um, pretty much on the probably the amount of time that J.J. 00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:22.960 Averon spent on everything. 00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:32.240 Let's move into Star Trek Beyond, which was the last um Star Trek movie that came out other than Section 31. 00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:43.039 I will so so the one thing I will say about Star Trek Beyond is I think unfortunately it was just like too little too late. 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:54.799 Like I thought I thought it was cool, like you know, it was on its own original story, as far as I can tell, because I tried to Google it, I didn't really find anything that was like a callback. 00:31:55.359 --> 00:32:01.200 Um I thought, you know, and so I really I really enjoyed it. 00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:12.000 And I think unfortunately, after the you know, I I I feel like the first movie that JJ did was probably kind of like a what's the word I'm looking for? 00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:17.519 Like like it wasn't like rave reviews, but it was like you know, it was pretty moderate. 00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:21.440 Everybody was kind of just like, alright, but I know into darkness. 00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:33.440 I I don't think divisive is the right word because I feel like there are many people that are in the hated camp than the people who either liked it or just thought it was okay. 00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:37.920 I I uh I that's at least that's my opinion. 00:32:38.000 --> 00:33:06.160 I think unfortunately this movie was a step in the

right direction, but at that point people have had lost interest, and also I'm sure it got more expensive because at this point, like um, it might have been before this too, but like uh Simon Pegg, who plays Scotty, he was in the Mission Impossible movies, um uh Zoe Saldana was in um um um uh obviously Guardi Guardians of the Galaxy. 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:06.559 Yep. 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:10.160 And Avatar, so I'm sure she was getting pricey. 00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:15.920 Yeah, Chris he had done quite a few other movies too, so his bill was probably getting a little bit steep. 00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:21.119 But no, I I I completely agree with you that it was a step in the right direction. 00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:27.359 It the writing and everything felt much more traditional Star Trek. 00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:31.680 You did not need to have an over-the-top villain and antagonist. 00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:42.559 You just had, you know, you had a guy, and he turned out to be far more complex than what anyone could have thought as the movie went on. 00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:48.799 The fact that he was once a Starfleet captain just blew my mind whenever they got to that. 00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:52.160 And then one thing, they then the tie back into Enterprise. 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:55.680 You had the USS Franklin, which was an NX-class ship. 00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:57.039 So sorry, go ahead. 00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:57.920 I didn't mean to cut you off. 00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:00.319 No, I mean that was really cool. 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:03.200 So you you got to have that part in. 00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:24.480 You got to see, you know, unfortunately, we got to see the Enterprise destroyed again in a way that was kind of like, yeah, that was kind of lame, but I will say I will say though that I, you know, it like it was it was it was kind of neat, I guess, to see it kind of go down piece by piece. 00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:33.599 Like in Enterprise, obviously in the original series, it just bl I mean for obvious re plot reasons, just blows up. 00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:40.480 Uh in generations, like just the slow crash onto the planet. 00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:55.280 Um But I I thought like, you know, the the way that like they're like trying to fight back, they got the whole, you know, that you know, like, you know, they're in you know, okay, we you know, impulse, do this, do that, falling apart, you know, break the neck. 00:34:55.360 --> 00:35:09.280 And I I thought I l if nothing else, maybe it was lackluster, but I thought it was cool to watch, all the mini ships and yeah, no, I mean, yeah, I I'm not gonna get critical of the movie just because of the way the Enterprise was destroyed. 00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:26.639 The other cool thing I thought is it it really took a big step forward, and it kind of works into the original series on what maybe Gene Roddenberry had kind of envisioned, but it kind of derails things a little bit is the Yorktown. 00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:49.760 It's not a starship, it is this massive star-based slash biosphere that has all these different ecosystems and all these, you know, whenever a starship goes in, it is it it dwarfs anything else that we see in Star Trek other than like, you know, the sp a spear or the crystalline entity or anything like that. 00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:59.920 So yeah, I so I like I didn't think I didn't think those like stations were new, but definitely that one was a a different. 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.000 Um I I looked it up. 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:08.960 That that thing is 35 miles long, like all the way around. 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:23.199 Like I don't like and and like I was watching it and I was like, uh you know, the way that like they showed how like with the gravity being weird, like you know, you know, everybody walking in different direct I mean that like that looks like that looks like a nightmare. 00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:26.960 Like that looks like I would have a headache trying to like figure out where I am. 00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:35.760 Um the only other time we see something similar to that is the Starfleet headquarters in Discovery. 00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:36.400 Okay. 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:54.639 That's I think that's really the only time that we see another kind of similar setup, other than um no, because the that one episode of Voyager where uh was it species 8472 or something like that, the anti-borg species. 00:36:54.960 --> 00:37:00.480 Oh, yeah, um, they they have they create their own Starfleet Academy in San Francisco. 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:02.239 That's kind of similar to that. 00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:12.480 But it was really cool, but I'm like, okay, so if we're gonna I mean it is obviously a different timeline and everything, but the technology's really not gonna change overly that much. 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:18.719 So you don't see anything like that in Um Next Generation. 00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:26.159 So, but anyway, um I I I I I really I mean overall, I thought it was a good movie. 00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:35.679 I think it was, in my opinion, the best out of the three, probably eking out start the the 2009 Star Trek a little bit. 00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:44.000 Um I thought some of the best character moments were between Spock and McCoy. 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:44.719 Yes. 00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:51.280 I I I I I thought like yo, I I I I I even joked with Haley. 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.199 We're like they had such good chemistry. 00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:56.239 I was I always I make this joke sometimes when we watch other things. 00:37:56.320 --> 00:38:00.159 I'm like, I'm like, I'm just waiting for the bones and spot spin-off. 00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.880 Spock and bones, take Manhattan. 00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:05.280 Um it's a dumb joke. 00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:19.039 But you know, I also like in the beginning when you know Kirk's fighting that, like, or not fighting, but the getting attacked by that super short species,

and two of them get transported onto the Enterprise. 00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:19.840 Yeah. 00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:21.920 I I saw the two red shirts. 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.000 I know that like I don't know. 00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:32.719 Um I that I'm pretty sure at this point no one's getting paid, but I will say that if they were, there's no way the red shirts get paid enough for their for their work. 00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:37.519 Watch like the two of them like wrestling those things and being all over the ship. 00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:50.320 Um, I like the mild uh mild racism when like Kirk and McCoy are having the drink and he has the uh was was it a bottle of scotch? 00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.280 They're like, oh, I thought he would have vodka. 00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:55.679 Uh from Chekhov's locker. 00:38:56.320 --> 00:39:02.480 Um obviously we see Sulu's daughter, who would pilot the Tuesday Enterprise. 00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:04.480 The Enter C Enterprise B. 00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.760 I know, but I just I I just I had to. 00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:12.079 It's um uh uh go ahead. 00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:14.159 I I said it before, but I'll say it again. 00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:14.880 R.I.P. 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:16.480 Leonard Nimoy. 00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:22.559 Um I thought they kind of handled that pretty well for like an in-universe um they did. 00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:23.840 I was just gonna bring that up. 00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:41.199 That was a really nice touch with Spock going through old Spock's uh personal belongings at the end, and there's the picture of the original cast that would have been roughly probably you know Star Trek 5, Star Trek VI time period. 00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:50.400 I thought that was that was a nice send-off because also, you know, you're you're not you're paying homage to that entire cast, not just Leonard Emoy. 00:39:50.480 --> 00:40:00.480 That was, I mean, that was the point of it, but by that point, you know, everyone is pretty much gone except for Sulu and Kirk. 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:03.679 I I also I also like and Chekhov. 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:11.360 And I think I think uh uh m Michelle Nichols that she was still alive at that point too. 00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:11.920 I'm not sure. 00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:16.079 Yeah, I think uh I think she passed away like a year or two later. 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:24.480 Um the um you know also you know you could tell that it was a new director because there were no lens flares, you could see everything. 00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:41.039 Um this might be a little bit of a controversial subject, but the one thing I could have kind of found annoying, and I'll explain why, so like anybody who's potentially offended, please let me give me a second. 00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:42.639 Gay Sulu. 00:40:43.280 --> 00:41:06.480 I don't care that he was like that he was gay, and I get it, it was like a it was like a a homage, I don't know why, because even George Decay was like, uh why why I don't give a shit that he's gay, but sorry for swearing, but like I just remember them talking about it prior to the movie as like it was gonna be a big plot point, and then it's just like, oh look, he hugged his husband. 00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:15.199 Oh, but I don't know, I just it just like I I hate when a lot of shows do that, when they make a point of like changing a character's sexual orientation. 00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:20.480 It's not that I care, it's just sort of like if it's I mean, I don't know, uh I don't know. 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.360 I don't want to walk down this road. 00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:28.159 Um something else I thought was cool, um, the Kelvin pods. 00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:36.480 They had I that like they had those like one-person escape pods around the outside of the bridge. 00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:42.639 Then they were called the Kelvin, so that way the like bridge crew could make a last-minute getaway. 00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:49.519 Yeah, I completely missed I I remember now that you're saying it, but I completely missed that whenever I watched that movie. 00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:57.760 I couldn't understand what Chris Pine said, but I wanted to go, I went back and I looked it up online, and yeah, they were they were called the Kelvin Pods. 00:41:58.000 --> 00:41:59.679 Um makes a lot of sense. 00:41:59.920 --> 00:42:01.440 I love the look of the Franklin. 00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:01.920 Yes. 00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:06.239 Um I you know, you know, I'm a bridge guy, I like the simplicity of the bridge. 00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:13.519 Um I I I didn't realize though that it actually predates Archer's Enterprise. 00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:24.639 I don't know the exact timeline, but they made a point that like that that like they said they're like that ship was only um capable of going up to warp four. 00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:29.840 It was the first warp four vessel, and then the NX01 was warp five. 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:30.559 Yes. 00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:32.320 I missed that part too. 00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:49.039 I just figured that the Franklin, I think I always thought that the Franklin was like, oh, so you had the Enterprise, you had the Columbia, then you had the Franklin, but it would make sense that Starfleet essentially just took a design that they currently had and just put a beefier engine in it. 00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:51.119 Yeah, and then and I think we find that a lot. 00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:56.480 Like I recently I've been watching videos on like uh the Titan from Picard, right? 00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:59.440 And then going down just like this rabbit hole of different starships. 00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:00.159 Right, yeah. 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.880 Talking about like it was like it was like, oh, look at this. 00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:04.480 This is the Voyager B. 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:06.000 And they do change some things. 00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:12.400 I didn't finish the video, I didn't have a chance, but like,

you know, there's add-ons or whatever, but it's still like the basic ship design. 00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:17.679 Um, and then I didn't realize that Simon Pegg was one of the writers on this movie. 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:18.639 Yes, he was. 00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:20.320 So that that was cool. 00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:30.719 Um I thought he was I think he did some writing across the board, and I maybe not maybe not so much the first movie, but I thought in In the Darkness he was a writer. 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:38.880 Maybe not the writer, but I didn't see his name on it, but he he he was he was attached to this one specifically. 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:41.840 Yeah, maybe maybe I miss maybe I misunderstood that. 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:42.639 But anyway. 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:48.000 Um and then also I just you know um sabotage again. 00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:52.239 I will say when I first watched it, I was like, oh, nice callback. 00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.679 But when you watch these movies back to back, it's much cheesier. 00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:56.239 Yeah. 00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:59.599 Um also the joke about you know that. 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:01.599 It's classical music. 00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:07.679 It felt like it was supposed to be a jam, like a jab at like our generation, not our generation, but people. 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:09.519 But like I looked it up. 00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:14.559 Apparently, for something to be considered classic, it has to be 20 to 25 years old. 00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:14.800 Okay. 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.119 And it's actually 32. 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:17.360 Okay. 00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:21.599 So unfortunately, it is actually considered classic. 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:24.320 Um, and then also just because we talked about it. 00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:27.280 Damn and Tom were podcasters, not music critics. 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:34.000 But also, you know, because earlier I mentioned how I liked um about uh McCoy's metaphors. 00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.960 The one he used in this one that really stuck with me. 00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:41.039 He he made the comment, you cannot break a stick in a bundle. 00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:42.320 Or maybe that was him. 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:42.960 Somebody said that. 00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:53.920 Maybe it was Scotty, but I I just regardless, I was just I will just come out and say Carl Urban was a highlight of all three of these movies as McCoy. 00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:55.360 Yeah, definitely. 00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:57.039 Probably one of the best parts. 00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:17.360 I love I loved at the end when uh they're talking about how they have to board one of those like hive ships, and Spock's like, you know, like I should go because I already I already know like the the rough layout, and they were like, I uh but however I'm gonna need a companion, and Kirk just goes, Oh, he's gonna love this. 00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:25.039 They talked about how the transporters were only supposed

to be for um like uh supplies, and that I did you watch Enterprise? 00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:25.519 I forget. 00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:43.920 No, I did watch Enterprise, and that was the whole point of what the transporters started as was to beam because they but they had the shuttle pods, um, and they continued to use them, but the transporters were primarily to beam supplies on board or off or between vessels. 00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:49.440 Uh yeah, I and in Enterprise I know they started testing, I think, or maybe it was just one episode. 00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:57.840 I think it was the last I think it was the last season of Enterprise that they started getting into the transporters, because you didn't see a transporter at all seasons one and two. 00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:07.199 I think it was season three, they're like, oh yeah, here's this you know, here's the we're in a transporter room and we're moving cargo around, and someone's like, You ever think about doing this with a human? 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:09.440 Or everyone's like, oh no, we're not advanced enough yet. 00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:12.320 And then of course they find themselves in a situation where they have to use it. 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:12.800 Right. 00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:13.119 Yeah. 00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:16.159 It's like, oh cool, now this technology is safe to use. 00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:16.719 Yeah. 00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:23.360 And then one last thought before we like kind of go, you know, like five like before we do like final thoughts and wrap-up. 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:28.559 Captain Edison, who was uh Idris Elba, Captain of the Franklin. 00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:38.239 Um, I they mentioned that he was part of, I think it's pronounced Mako, the Military Assault Command Operations. 00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:45.440 And I just I thought I thought it was kind of neat because I remember Mako being part of a small part of Enterprise. 00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:45.840 Right. 00:46:46.239 --> 00:47:00.320 But like that was when like the transition from more of a military to like, I mean, like he even says it in the movie that like that he was a soldier and now he's a captain, and um, I just I don't know, I just I thought that was worth mentioning. 00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:09.360 Yeah, you see it, I think it's in season two of Enterprise where you you do see the like I don't know if there's Starfleet Marines on board, it's the one and only time you ever see that. 00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:12.079 I was gonna say they look like SWAT, SWAT officers. 00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:12.880 Yeah. 00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:17.360 So I guess do you have any closing thoughts before we wrap this up? 00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:17.679 Yeah. 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:27.119 So I mean, um, just just real quick, I I will just say that um, you know, these are the they're the most recent Star Trek movies. 00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:31.679 Overall, um, you know, they were good. 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:33.199 Not great, but they were good. 00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:39.760 Star Trek Beyond is my favorite, then Star Trek, and then In the Darkness is, you know, my least favorite. 00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:43.599 Um we've already covered why, so I'm not gonna dwell on that or anything. 00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:51.599 But you know, I I will say that hopefully when we see another true Star Trek movie hit the big screens at some point. 00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:57.519 I know they were playing around with doing another movie with this cast or part of this cast at some point. 00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:05.760 The likelihood of that just unfortunately is disappearing rapidly so to the point where it's not gonna happen. 00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:07.280 I'll be shocked if it does. 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:12.239 So I'm interested to see, you know, where we go with the next Star Trek movie. 00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:14.800 And I'm just gonna kind of leave that open. 00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:25.599 If anyone has any thoughts, uh, you know, go ahead in the comments, say, uh, you know, comment on what do you what would you like to see as the next Star Trek movie. 00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:33.920 Uh I think maybe a future episode uh we can talk about that, uh our feelings on it, but that's what I'm gonna that's the thought I'm gonna leave us on. 00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.199 Alright, uh that's the solid solid thoughts. 00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:40.400 Um I mean, I I don't really have anything else to add. 00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:52.960 I mean, I guess the one thing I could add is that I know they keep teasing that like the fourth movie is not out of the question, but I think unfortunately just too much has changed. 00:48:53.039 --> 00:49:01.199 Like with Tan Yelkin, I think his name is plays played Chekhov, you know, he unfortunately passed. 00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:11.760 And then just how expensive the movie would have to be, because you know, uh uh like you know, Chris Pine as is really like he's a household name at this point. 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:31.199 And I know one of the plots they talked about was it would be time travel, and they were which means they were gonna have to bring back uh Chris Hemsworth as Kirk's dad, and he's obviously gonna be pricey too, Zoe Saldana, you know, uh, you know, and so yeah, unfortunately, I don't think it's ever gonna happen. 00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:34.400 Um, I'd like to see it, but I'm not gonna hold my breath. 00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:35.519 Like you said, 10 years. 00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:37.440 The last one was in 2016. 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:39.840 But anyway, so alright. 00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:41.760 Uh thank you guys for listening. 00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:47.360 Wherever you're l wherever you're listening, please leave a like, rating, review, or comment, and we'll read it on the show. 00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:51.280 You can email us at two guysnocreds at gmail.com. 00:49:51.599 --> 00:50:13.360 We are on Facebook and YouTube uh as two guys questionable credentials, and you can find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Podcast Index, Castbox, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Listen Notes, Pod Chaser, Player FM, Castro, Good Pods, and True Fans, not to be confused with the other fans. 00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:15.599 Thank you, and goodbye. 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:17.199 Alright, that's the show. 00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:21.599 Thanks for hanging out with us for another episode of Two Guys Questionable Credentials. 00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:27.119 If you laughed, learned something, or are now somehow more confused than when you started, then we've done our job. 00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:31.840 Be sure to subscribe, leave a review, and tell a friend or an enemy we're not picky. 00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:40.639 And remember, everything discussed here is just a conversation, speculation, and two people confidently wandering through topics they may or may not fully understand. 00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:44.559 Please take none of this as legal, medical, or emotional advice. 00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:45.760 We'll see you next time.