ISTE 2026: Inside Thinkering's Mission to Empower Teachers with Evin Schwarz의 전체 녹취록

seen just like 00:01:16.327 --> 00:01:18.927 we've seen just, like, really flock to what we're trying to do at Thinkering, 00:01:19.436 --> 00:01:20.427 which is humanize 00:01:20.427 --> 00:01:20.897 education. 00:01:21.246 --> 00:01:26.126 Mm. And it's this loaded saying, crunchy granola and the whole nine, uh, but the neat thing we have 00:01:26.177 --> 00:01:28.877 now is all of them should be heard. 00:01:29.387 --> 00:01:29.627 Yeah. 00:01:29.697 --> 00:01:31.207 And not just with our internal team. 00:01:31.207 --> 00:01:31.337 They 00:01:31.337 --> 00:01:32.427 go through our process. 00:01:32.817 --> 00:01:33.827 They're celebrated locally. 00:01:33.827 --> 00:01:37.917 But this innovation and inspiration for everyone else out there in the industry, too. 00:01:38.427 --> 00:01:38.507 Yeah. 00:01:38.717 --> 00:01:42.932 So when that teacher's sitting in their classroom and saying like, "I can't do it," right? 00:01:43.012 --> 00:01:44.347 Garrett, one of our other founders 00:01:44.417 --> 00:01:46.992 always says like, "But what?" All Right? 00:01:46.992 --> 00:01:48.022 Like, what comes next after after 00:01:48.022 --> 00:01:48.232 this? 00:01:48.232 --> 00:01:49.792 Like, let's eliminate the excuses. 00:01:49.802 --> 00:01:50.262 Mm. If there 00:01:50.297 --> 00:01:51.507 was no red tape we wouldn't say. 00:01:51.857 --> 00:01:54.157 So for us, we're trying to project that. 00:01:54.642 --> 00:01:55.077 I mean, if you 00:01:55.077 --> 00:01:57.187 look at our Substack and some of our media in-house 00:01:57.282 --> 00:01:58.282 we have, uh, 00:01:58.287 --> 00:01:58.687 that we have, uh, it's all teachers. 00:01:59.032 --> 00:02:01.737 Mm. It's all teacher voice that we're trying to push as much as possible. 00:02:02.087 --> 00:02:02.647 Through B, 00:02:03.272 --> 00:02:05.307 we found a a home that's external- 00:02:05.757 --> 00:02:06.007 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah 00:02:06.057 --> 00:02:08.297 … Evin Schwarz: where we're able to now say… I mean, I was talking 00:02:08.297 --> 00:02:09.607 to, I forget the exact podcast 00:02:09.607 --> 00:02:10.877 property, the Catholic School one. 00:02:11.117 --> 00:02:11.397 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah. 00:02:11.397 --> 00:02:12.192 Evin Schwarz: Catholic School Leaders. 00:02:12.192 --> 00:02:13.107 Yeah, Catholic School Leaders. 00:02:13.107 --> 00:02:13.187 Yep. 00:02:13.627 --> 00:02:17.732 Like, we have an amazing Catholic school educator that just our program in the Bay 00:02:17.777 --> 00:02:19.747 Area, and she's the perfect example of this. 00:02:19.752 --> 00:02:20.112 of this. 00:02:20.312 --> 00:02:20.522 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah. 00:02:20.532 --> 00:02:23.622 Evin Schwarz: Where we could celebrate her and send her out through stuff, it should 00:02:23.667 --> 00:02:25.357 also go to a targeted community- Yeah 00:02:25.662 --> 00:02:25.892 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah 00:02:25.952 --> 00:02:26.202 … Evin Schwarz: that 00:02:26.202 --> 00:02:31.677 could say, "I know exactly how you're feeling and what you're going through, and this is who else can be part of this program." 00:02:31.912 --> 00:02:31.932 Yeah. 00:02:32.232 --> 00:02:34.117 So I think just the diversity that you guys 00:02:34.117 --> 00:02:34.477 have built- Yeah 00:02:35.022 --> 00:02:35.152 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah 00:02:35.222 --> 00:02:37.907 … Evin Schwarz: from a a voice perspective ev- everything we're looking for and more. 00:02:38.098 --> 00:02:38.428 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah. 00:02:38.468 --> 00:02:45.088 Well, and what our perspective is, we want a podcast for everybody, no matter where they're at 00:02:45.137 --> 00:02:45.907 at in education. 00:02:45.957 --> 00:02:46.067 Yep. 00:02:46.367 --> 00:02:47.117 So whether, 00:02:47.298 --> 00:02:49.878 whatever your role is, want you to have a podcast that 00:02:50.047 --> 00:02:51.977 that helps you become the best- Yeah … that you can be. 00:02:52.318 --> 00:02:52.878 And, 00:02:53.198 --> 00:02:55.537 and a podcast is a really great way to do that 00:02:55.687 --> 00:02:55.977 because 00:02:56.538 --> 00:02:57.358 asynchronous. 00:02:57.368 --> 00:02:58.608 You can do it on your own time. 00:02:58.618 --> 00:03:00.158 You don't need anybody's permission. 00:03:00.478 --> 00:03:07.138 And what we want is for if we don't have a podcast in that area, we want somebody to say, "Hey, I'll do the Yeah. 00:03:07.188 --> 00:03:12.557 And we wanna provide that, and that's, that's, what we wanna get to, is have that available for for everybody. 00:03:12.732 --> 00:03:12.992 Evin Schwarz: let me ask 00:03:13.002 --> 00:03:15.767 you something on that, and I'm, uh, the script a little here as cool. 00:03:15.767 --> 00:03:16.067 That's cool. 00:03:16.222 --> 00:03:16.562 Cool. 00:03:16.562 --> 00:03:17.357 But you sparked an 00:03:17.357 --> 00:03:17.667 idea. 00:03:18.133 --> 00:03:18.643 So 00:03:19.023 --> 00:03:19.933 we see so many 00:03:19.933 --> 00:03:21.663 teachers that are so intimidated by it. 00:03:21.732 --> 00:03:22.002 by it. 00:03:22.182 --> 00:03:22.462 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah. 00:03:22.522 --> 00:03:22.732 Evin Schwarz: Right? 00:03:22.773 --> 00:03:22.893 And 00:03:22.893 --> 00:03:23.983 I- it's hard, right? 00:03:23.983 --> 00:03:24.133 Like, 00:03:24.143 --> 00:03:24.803 it takes commitment. 00:03:24.813 --> 00:03:31.003 But everything takes commitment- That's right … I would love to know the data of how many people, not education, but in general 00:03:31.872 --> 00:03:35.265 do three podcasts and then probably say this is enough because no one's coming. 00:03:35.565 --> 00:03:35.635 Yeah. 00:03:35.635 --> 00:03:40.656 But like from a teacher perspective and things that we're discussing with our community, like what's the 00:03:40.656 --> 00:03:40.993 secret? 00:03:40.993 --> 00:03:41.329 Yeah. 00:03:41.546 --> 00:03:50.736 Jethro D. Jones: Well, well, here's the thing is you, uh, doing a podcast, you have to… You're not gonna

be like, uh, Joe Rogan, right? 00:03:50.736 --> 00:03:50.756 Mm-hmm. 00:03:50.766 --> 00:03:52.936 You're not gonna be like, uh, the Kelsey 00:03:53.125 --> 00:03:56.665 Brothers and and this amazing thing thing that is, 00:03:56.876 --> 00:03:57.036 you 00:03:57.036 --> 00:03:59.465 know, getting millions of sponsorships- Right … and all all that kind of stuff. 00:03:59.736 --> 00:04:01.776 And so especially in education- Mm-hmm 00:04:01.976 --> 00:04:06.026 what you have to have is a desire to continue to teach- Yep … the next generation. 00:04:06.026 --> 00:04:06.176 Yep. 00:04:06.246 --> 00:04:08.106 Which is, which is what it comes down to. 00:04:08.106 --> 00:04:09.236 And if that's what you wanna do. 00:04:09.246 --> 00:04:09.266 Yeah. 00:04:09.476 --> 00:04:14.165 So, so get this, I, I, I interviewed somebody here at ISTE yesterday. 00:04:14.225 --> 00:04:14.615 Mm-hmm. 00:04:14.625 --> 00:04:17.086 And he-- and I said, "Hey, nice to meet you. 00:04:17.086 --> 00:04:22.976 I'm Jethro." And he said, "I'm Kevin, but I I know you because I've been listening to your podcast since 2016." 00:04:23.436 --> 00:04:25.696 This guy, I don't know if he's ever bought one of my books. 00:04:25.706 --> 00:04:25.726 Yeah. 00:04:25.746 --> 00:04:27.366 He hasn't come to any of my trainings. 00:04:27.386 --> 00:04:28.725 I've never met him before. 00:04:29.145 --> 00:04:29.485 But 00:04:30.096 --> 00:04:32.525 when he was deciding whether or not to be be a principal, 00:04:32.746 --> 00:04:35.595 …he found my podcast and has been listening to it ever since. 00:04:35.665 --> 00:04:41.136 That's And like what's so awesome about that is that you can make an impact- Yeah 00:04:41.146 --> 00:04:44.866 and not even know about it, which is really a cool thing to be able to do. 00:04:44.876 --> 00:04:44.896 Yeah. 00:04:45.446 --> 00:04:51.395 But the other thing that's so valuable is that it's not just about helping others, but about clarifying your own 00:04:51.415 --> 00:04:51.605 thinking. 00:04:51.655 --> 00:04:52.035 Evin Schwarz: I agree. 00:04:52.195 --> 00:04:52.675 It's voice, right? 00:04:52.695 --> 00:04:53.055 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah. 00:04:53.055 --> 00:04:53.175 Yeah. 00:04:53.175 --> 00:04:53.735 And so 00:04:53.806 --> 00:04:58.756 when you get behind a microphone and you start talking about what you believe, you're allowed to change your mind. 00:04:58.766 --> 00:04:58.786 Yeah. 00:04:58.986 --> 00:04:59.986 You're allowed to grow and 00:04:59.986 --> 00:05:00.446 develop. 00:05:00.456 --> 00:05:00.486 Mm-hmm. 00:05:00.806 --> 00:05:02.785 But the thing is, is that when you say 00:05:02.785 --> 00:05:04.045 it, you, and 00:05:04.045 --> 00:05:07.616 especially in that's gonna be put out to other people, you're committing to it. 00:05:07.636 --> 00:05:13.756 And what that actually does is that forces you to say to yourself, "Is this what I really believe?" For sure. 00:05:13.826 --> 00:05:17.466 And, and that

process of going through that is so powerful. 00:05:17.476 --> 00:05:17.506 Mm-hmm. 00:05:17.516 --> 00:05:21.665 And where I wanted to go next was tell me about the process that that you 00:05:21.665 --> 00:05:23.345 put te- uh, educators through. 00:05:23.645 --> 00:05:24.635 What does that look like 00:05:24.696 --> 00:05:25.236 Thinkering? 00:05:25.456 --> 00:05:31.645 Because I think that it is the perfect on-ramp- Mm-hmm … to what, to starting a podcast right after you're done with that. 00:05:31.725 --> 00:05:32.115 Evin Schwarz: Yeah. 00:05:32.115 --> 00:05:32.395 And 00:05:32.395 --> 00:05:32.665 that's what we love too. 00:05:32.665 --> 00:05:33.355 Or in the pro- the 00:05:33.355 --> 00:05:33.665 Jethro D. Jones: middle of it. 00:05:33.945 --> 00:05:35.845 Evin Schwarz: So on our side, um, I mean, 00:05:35.855 --> 00:05:36.975 really started Thinkering, 00:05:37.385 --> 00:05:37.705 a lot of 00:05:37.705 --> 00:05:38.515 ideation. 00:05:38.895 --> 00:05:39.585 Um, I joke, I 00:05:39.595 --> 00:05:39.995 think it was my 00:05:39.995 --> 00:05:40.805 midlife crisis 00:05:40.862 --> 00:05:41.342 ultimately. 00:05:41.425 --> 00:05:41.685 Yeah. 00:05:41.785 --> 00:05:42.765 There'll probably be another one 00:05:42.765 --> 00:05:45.235 too, but like- …what, are, what are are we doing 00:05:45.372 --> 00:05:45.972 ultimately, right? 00:05:45.972 --> 00:05:49.575 Like we're sitting here for, on a Beluga side, you know, for-profit. 00:05:49.715 --> 00:05:50.645 We're selling to schools. 00:05:50.645 --> 00:05:51.145 We're growing. 00:05:51.212 --> 00:05:52.975 like what are are we really doing? 00:05:52.975 --> 00:05:53.585 We're in education. 00:05:53.885 --> 00:05:54.115 Jethro D. Jones: Mm-hmm. 00:05:54.125 --> 00:05:56.425 Evin Schwarz: And if we're not moving mountains, and the mountains could be one kid. 00:05:56.985 --> 00:05:57.005 Yeah. 00:05:57.092 --> 00:05:57.502 It doesn't matter. 00:05:57.512 --> 00:05:57.562 Micro. 00:05:57.752 --> 00:05:57.952 But 00:05:57.962 --> 00:05:58.862 it's it's changing. 00:05:58.862 --> 00:06:00.162 I'm always the worst with that. 00:06:00.512 --> 00:06:03.875 Um, but on that side of it, what do we need to do to make a difference? 00:06:04.562 --> 00:06:05.525 So we started looking and 00:06:05.525 --> 00:06:06.815 saying like, "Who needs help 00:06:06.815 --> 00:06:09.555 in education?" everyone needs help, but we have to go to teachers 00:06:09.555 --> 00:06:09.725 first though. 00:06:10.442 --> 00:06:16.525 If we're really thinking about North Star, we want every child to have the best education experience possible, it experience possible, it has to start 00:06:16.525 --> 00:06:16.995 with teachers. 00:06:17.182 --> 00:06:20.012 Mm. And we know the retention rates and the attrition rates and the burnout are the 00:06:20.125 --> 00:06:20.335 are real. 00:06:20.335 --> 00:06:22.025 right? 00:06:22.025 --> 00:06:22.075 50% plus at this point. 00:06:22.653 --> 00:06:23.182 What to do 00:06:23.672 --> 00:06:28.293 We said, "Who can we go first from an an educator perspective?" Your on-ramp is is those types 00:06:28.293 --> 00:06:28.763 of people, 00:06:29.133 --> 00:06:31.852 the outliers, the innovators, and it's not for them. 00:06:31.863 --> 00:06:32.133 We want 00:06:32.133 --> 00:06:32.653 it for everyone, 00:06:33.102 --> 00:06:33.352 but 00:06:33.372 --> 00:06:34.333 they're early adopters. 00:06:34.392 --> 00:06:34.572 Yep. 00:06:34.732 --> 00:06:39.313 What we also found really quickly was it's really difficult being those people in a a school 00:06:39.653 --> 00:06:39.833 Jethro D. Jones: Yep. 00:06:39.953 --> 00:06:40.503 It sure is. 00:06:40.563 --> 00:06:40.733 Right? 00:06:40.813 --> 00:06:41.698 I got a lot to about that. 00:06:41.788 --> 00:06:42.028 Evin Schwarz: Yep. 00:06:42.078 --> 00:06:43.628 I mean, we get to go deep on that. 00:06:43.633 --> 00:06:43.663 one. 00:06:43.663 --> 00:06:43.683 Yeah. 00:06:43.683 --> 00:06:43.833 I love 00:06:43.833 --> 00:06:44.293 this topic. 00:06:44.293 --> 00:06:44.723 Yeah. 00:06:44.723 --> 00:06:45.893 But they're 00:06:45.953 --> 00:06:49.538 anonymous, and it's, "Hey, Mr. and Mrs. XYZ," 00:06:49.538 --> 00:06:49.788 whatever you 00:06:49.788 --> 00:06:50.623 wanna call it, "Stay in in 00:06:50.623 --> 00:06:50.903 your lane." 00:06:51.248 --> 00:06:51.678 Jethro D. Jones: Mm-hmm. 00:06:51.898 --> 00:06:52.128 Evin Schwarz: Right? 00:06:52.128 --> 00:06:56.743 Like, we're gonna go back to the Yeah … or we're gonna do the assessment, and we can't afford 00:06:56.743 --> 00:06:56.763 to 00:06:56.808 --> 00:06:58.285 lose these people in in the industry. 00:06:58.285 --> 00:06:58.529 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah. 00:06:58.529 --> 00:07:01.298 Evin Schwarz: Like, they're there because 20 faces smile at them every 00:07:01.298 --> 00:07:01.568 day, 00:07:02.088 --> 00:07:03.243 and they'll remember that 00:07:03.243 --> 00:07:04.198 person for the rest of their 00:07:04.398 --> 00:07:06.273 And I, I… As I said, I know that one person- 00:07:06.673 --> 00:07:07.913 Yeah ……right, from my own childhood. 00:07:08.003 --> 00:07:08.023 Yeah. 00:07:08.283 --> 00:07:08.393 I 00:07:08.393 --> 00:07:11.133 wish it was 50, but it was teacher that believed 00:07:11.133 --> 00:07:14.053 and made it fun to show up, and this is before 00:07:14.323 --> 00:07:16.023 social media and technology and AI and 00:07:16.023 --> 00:07:16.383 this one. 00:07:16.693 --> 00:07:17.213 Now, it's the 00:07:17.213 --> 00:07:17.873 opportunity cost. 00:07:18.048 --> 00:07:18.853 of why am I coming 00:07:18.853 --> 00:07:18.923 to school 00:07:19.533 --> 00:07:19.903 as a kid, 00:07:19.903 --> 00:07:20.103 right? 00:07:20.138 --> 00:07:20.278 is 00:07:20.468 --> 00:07:20.833 a whole 00:07:20.833 --> 00:07:21.703 other ball of wax, which 00:07:21.963 --> 00:07:22.403 that's another 00:07:22.403 --> 00:07:23.233

conversation, I think. 00:07:23.673 --> 00:07:24.573 But going in, 00:07:25.178 --> 00:07:26.163 we said, let's bring them together- 00:07:26.188 --> 00:07:33.553 Mm …and let's surround them with a mentor who could guide the process, and just as of curriculum and program is complaining, 00:07:33.833 --> 00:07:34.143 Right? 00:07:34.143 --> 00:07:35.043 Our pro- we're human. 00:07:35.078 --> 00:07:35.308 Like, 00:07:35.498 --> 00:07:36.833 it's hard being in education today. 00:07:37.478 --> 00:07:38.543 Let's really dive in. 00:07:38.873 --> 00:07:40.703 We bring them through a 10-week virtual experience. 00:07:41.283 --> 00:07:44.288 They're in cohort format, so teachers work up to 12 other 00:07:44.353 --> 00:07:44.753 educators. 00:07:44.753 --> 00:07:45.793 10 to 12 is really our 00:07:45.793 --> 00:07:46.413 magic number. 00:07:46.803 --> 00:07:49.233 Um, depending on our program, we have about eight programs 00:07:49.233 --> 00:07:49.773 right now. 00:07:49.863 --> 00:07:50.303 By the end of 00:07:50.303 --> 00:07:50.678 the year, we'll have 00:07:50.678 --> 00:07:51.508 12 programs, 00:07:51.908 --> 00:07:52.538 uh, that run 00:07:52.538 --> 00:07:53.263 throughout the year. 00:07:53.718 --> 00:08:03.593 Um, we generally see, about two hours a week of programming, so not a heavy lift at all, but these are coming are coming from all different walks of life, knowing heart on 00:08:03.593 --> 00:08:04.173 their sleeve 00:08:04.738 --> 00:08:05.383 why they got into 00:08:05.383 --> 00:08:06.013 the industry. 00:08:06.653 --> 00:08:10.648 Uh, there's multiple workshops we pop open throughout this, uh, and we want it feel 00:08:10.733 --> 00:08:11.083 exclusive. 00:08:11.253 --> 00:08:12.738 We it to feel like a community 00:08:13.018 --> 00:08:14.263 when they're there of I could go 00:08:14.263 --> 00:08:16.043 to person that I never would've gotten a 00:08:16.043 --> 00:08:16.708 chance to with. 00:08:17.028 --> 00:08:18.898 Like walking around this state, some of the 00:08:18.898 --> 00:08:19.868 keynotes and big 00:08:19.868 --> 00:08:21.403 stage speakers are our mentors- 00:08:21.573 --> 00:08:21.743 Mm-hmm. 00:08:21.743 --> 00:08:22.603 Yeah ………and our partners, 00:08:22.958 --> 00:08:23.978 and, like, I, I saw it. 00:08:23.978 --> 00:08:25.863 You know, the teachers wait at the end of the session, 00:08:25.863 --> 00:08:28.243 but they shouldn't have to just wait on one question. 00:08:28.493 --> 00:08:28.583 Yeah. 00:08:28.583 --> 00:08:30.153 It's like, let's make people accessible. 00:08:30.153 --> 00:08:31.223 There's so much knowledge 00:08:31.613 --> 00:08:31.833 that we 00:08:31.833 --> 00:08:33.363 all hold, and by the end of 00:08:33.363 --> 00:08:34.143 10 weeks, of really 00:08:34.143 --> 00:08:38.583 where all the magic in, is we turn to the educator and say, "What's your project 00:08:38.833 --> 00:08:40.503 on humanizing education in your 00:08:40.503 --> 00:08:40.813 own community?" 00:08:41.188 --> 00:08:41.658 Jethro D. Jones: Mm-hmm. 00:08:41.878 --> 00:08:42.068 Evin Schwarz: They 00:08:42.123 --> 00:08:42.793 build throughout this. 00:08:42.943 --> 00:08:43.743 Every week goes build, build, build. 00:08:43.838 --> 00:08:44.068 build it, build it. 00:08:45.244 --> 00:08:45.721 Nine out of of 00:08:45.721 --> 00:08:45.991 10 00:08:46.011 --> 00:08:48.644 times we then turn back and say, "Let's make happen." Yeah. 00:08:49.184 --> 00:08:50.021 And that's that's where I 00:08:50.051 --> 00:08:51.171 think we separate completely. 00:08:51.664 --> 00:08:51.694 Right. 00:08:51.764 --> 00:08:53.801 Where great professional development, don't get 00:08:53.801 --> 00:08:54.031 me wrong, 00:08:54.584 --> 00:08:56.174 it elevates its community. 00:08:56.224 --> 00:08:57.074 It's a feel-good. 00:08:57.074 --> 00:08:57.894 We have the badges and the 00:08:57.894 --> 00:08:58.604 certificates 00:08:58.604 --> 00:09:00.631 and the state credits that we're approved for. 00:09:00.971 --> 00:09:01.781 Uh, but there's a lot of those 00:09:01.781 --> 00:09:02.281 organizations. 00:09:02.814 --> 00:09:07.781 Where we came to life saying, "What if we actually made these made these ideas happen?" Mm-hmm. 00:09:07.781 --> 00:09:10.954 So as a nonprofit, we then go out and raise capital for these 00:09:10.964 --> 00:09:16.524 projects, and the average cost we see anywhere from $4,000, $5,000 to make these projects happen. 00:09:16.854 --> 00:09:20.361 Uh, bigger tickets, we had one educator that said, "I need a 00:09:20.361 --> 00:09:20.701 bus, 00:09:21.224 --> 00:09:24.914 and I wanna bring technology to rural We said, "Great. Let's make this happen," right? 00:09:24.914 --> 00:09:26.561 Like- Yeah … we want these crazy ideas. 00:09:26.571 --> 00:09:31.971 And Then another teacher the other day said, "We're gonna do slam poetry to really have a 00:09:31.971 --> 00:09:32.531 district-wide 00:09:32.531 --> 00:09:34.911 initiative literacy, bring community together." 00:09:35.114 --> 00:09:38.151 And she's like, "Uh, we need I'm, probably need more than $80." Yeah. 00:09:38.161 --> 00:09:39.461 But, like, let's make 00:09:39.461 --> 00:09:39.861 this happen 00:09:40.171 --> 00:09:40.441 ultimately. 00:09:40.441 --> 00:09:40.461 Yeah. 00:09:41.001 --> 00:09:44.294 So not only are we looking at the capital part of it, but then bringing 00:09:44.461 --> 00:09:46.424 in subject matter experts from our community. 00:09:46.424 --> 00:09:46.774 Today, we 00:09:46.774 --> 00:09:48.414 have over 200 incredible 00:09:48.414 --> 00:09:51.651 organizations in our community, BE being one of them as well, and 00:09:51.651 --> 00:09:52.171 researchers. 00:09:52.804 --> 00:09:53.341 And our 00:09:53.341 --> 00:09:54.181 big-picture vision 00:09:54.251 --> 00:09:55.244 is the next five-ish 00:09:55.244 --> 00:09:56.751 years and plus, hopefully this goes 00:09:56.781 --> 00:09:57.181 for a very

00:09:57.181 --> 00:09:58.461 long time, but how do we bring 00:09:58.494 --> 00:09:59.351 tens of thousands of 00:09:59.351 --> 00:09:59.871 educators from 00:10:00.331 --> 00:10:00.781 all around the 00:10:00.781 --> 00:10:01.031 world, 00:10:01.411 --> 00:10:03.461 show what, one, passion and heart 00:10:03.861 --> 00:10:06.401 lead to, but then give the rest of the community 00:10:08.164 --> 00:10:08.424 Not 00:10:08.483 --> 00:10:08.603 the 00:10:08.603 --> 00:10:09.373 outliers or the 00:10:09.373 --> 00:10:11.093 innovators, which I believe every 00:10:11.093 --> 00:10:13.393 teacher can be under the right circumstances. 00:10:13.753 --> 00:10:14.033 But let's 00:10:14.033 --> 00:10:16.053 show them the stories and the innovation and 00:10:16.163 --> 00:10:16.823 inspiration 00:10:17.214 --> 00:10:17.384 in 00:10:17.443 --> 00:10:19.494 formats that adapt and adopt to 00:10:19.494 --> 00:10:21.943 their own demographics and affluent status and 00:10:21.983 --> 00:10:22.803 poverty and this and that. 00:10:23.163 --> 00:10:23.183 Yeah. 00:10:23.293 --> 00:10:24.093 So that's, um, that's 00:10:24.093 --> 00:10:24.663 our process. 00:10:24.852 --> 00:10:27.603 Jethro D. Jones: Well, uh, here's, here's something crazy to to think 00:10:27.603 --> 00:10:27.883 about. 00:10:28.882 --> 00:10:32.982 Is $80 really what's holding that teacher back from doing the poetry slam? 00:10:34.112 --> 00:10:34.446 It's not at all. 00:10:34.446 --> 00:10:35.143 I mean, that's the thing, like- 00:10:35.143 --> 00:10:35.163 So 00:10:35.283 --> 00:10:35.823 Evin Schwarz: I love that 00:10:35.888 --> 00:10:36.032 that up. 00:10:36.032 --> 00:10:36.442 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah. 00:10:36.682 --> 00:10:39.562 Because it-- Money, once 00:10:39.713 --> 00:10:40.123 you, 00:10:40.712 --> 00:10:47.963 once you can articulate what you're doing and can say what the value is, then the the can appear pretty easily, to be be honest. 00:10:48.153 --> 00:10:48.433 For sure. 00:10:48.443 --> 00:10:48.823 And, 00:10:49.122 --> 00:10:54.583 and so a lot of teachers think that, that we just don't have access to capital- Mm-hmm. 00:10:54.703 --> 00:10:55.802 Yep … in Yep … in education. 00:10:55.802 --> 00:10:58.252 And the reality is that we totally do. 00:10:58.262 --> 00:10:58.292 Yep. 00:10:58.322 --> 00:11:14.393 And you just need to have a, have a have a good idea that somebody can get behind, and then then find someone who cares about that, and, and that's what what you're showing because of your connections and people you know, and, and the history and the, and the collective and and all that kind of stuff. 00:11:14.842 --> 00:11:21.732 But the the other thing is, once that teacher knows that she can can do that, she doesn't to come to you for the $80. 00:11:21.732 --> 00:11:21.982 Yep. 00:11:21.982 --> 00:11:27.142 She can go to somebody else in her community who's like, "Hey, you have a coffee Yeah. 00:11:27.332 --> 00:11:32.862 "And we wanna do slam poetry here at at your coffee shop." And the coffee shop will be like, "Oh yeah, that'd be great. 00:11:32.862 --> 00:11:33.302 Please. 00:11:33.682 --> 00:11:38.792 Uh, we would love to have-- We would love a reason for 100 customers to come to our-" And kids. 00:11:38.953 --> 00:11:39.053 "… business 00:11:39.053 --> 00:11:39.623 on that day." And kids. 00:11:40.132 --> 00:11:40.723 And kids. 00:11:40.733 --> 00:11:40.933 Right? 00:11:41.023 --> 00:11:41.563 Yeah, totally. 00:11:41.713 --> 00:11:41.873 So that's 00:11:41.873 --> 00:11:42.118 powerful. 00:11:42.118 --> 00:11:42.363 Yeah. 00:11:42.363 --> 00:11:42.383 So 00:11:42.643 --> 00:11:46.370 Evin Schwarz: I love how you just said that, one, it's not about the money, that we say. 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:46.640 Yeah. 00:11:46.753 --> 00:11:51.260 And we always say from a funding side, we get this question all the time of like, "What does it look like term?" Yeah. 00:11:51.353 --> 00:11:53.333 Well, long-term is we want this to be 00:11:53.333 --> 00:11:53.643 sustainable. 00:11:53.643 --> 00:11:53.953 Right? 00:11:53.953 --> 00:11:56.543 Like we want this… You can come back to us all the time. 00:11:56.543 --> 00:11:57.003 We want that. 00:11:57.003 --> 00:11:58.543 But we also want it, when that 00:11:58.543 --> 00:11:59.033 teacher leaves, 00:11:59.033 --> 00:11:59.823 I'll give you a great example. 00:12:00.243 --> 00:12:02.983 We had a teacher in Colorado recently come to us, and 00:12:03.380 --> 00:12:03.950 she left her 00:12:03.950 --> 00:12:05.343 district a long a long time ago. 00:12:05.343 --> 00:12:05.773 She put in, 00:12:05.773 --> 00:12:06.233 like, this whole 00:12:06.293 --> 00:12:06.793 koi pond. 00:12:07.020 --> 00:12:07.250 Mm-hmm. 00:12:07.340 --> 00:12:07.853 Spent a a lot 00:12:07.853 --> 00:12:08.143 of time. 00:12:08.143 --> 00:12:08.690 Kids it. 00:12:08.970 --> 00:12:11.370 She went on maternity leave, came back, and there was over the koi pond. 00:12:11.670 --> 00:12:11.820 Oh 00:12:12.103 --> 00:12:12.393 my gosh. 00:12:12.633 --> 00:12:12.803 So 00:12:13.103 --> 00:12:13.703 That's crazy 00:12:13.713 --> 00:12:15.253 You can imagine how she felt coming back. 00:12:15.253 --> 00:12:15.273 Yeah. 00:12:15.273 --> 00:12:16.343 She changed schools pretty quickly. 00:12:16.343 --> 00:12:23.503 I was like… But on that side, she was a fellow recently us, came in and created a school garden, so she has that outdoor thumb. 00:12:23.520 --> 00:12:23.540 Yeah. 00:12:23.540 --> 00:12:23.890 Yep. 00:12:23.890 --> 00:12:23.910 Mm-hmm. 00:12:23.920 --> 00:12:27.283 But she did it for the right not just, "Hey, we wanna create, you 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:27.620 kids 00:12:27.620 --> 00:12:28.350 in the dirt and playing," 00:12:28.403 --> 00:12:29.740 which is so important, don't get wrong. 00:12:30.203 --> 00:12:32.903 But she did it because where they live is a food desert. 00:12:33.703 --> 00:12:34.603

There's no fresh 00:12:34.633 --> 00:12:35.093 produce. 00:12:35.103 --> 00:12:35.123 Yeah. 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:37.273 fresh produce Yeah …families struggle in that 00:12:37.273 --> 00:12:37.673 sense. 00:12:38.010 --> 00:12:38.430 There's 00:12:38.570 --> 00:12:39.470 childhood diabetes 00:12:39.470 --> 00:12:39.800 rates. 00:12:40.290 --> 00:12:45.633 And she said, "What we're gonna do is we're gonna focus on first. We're gonna get them and hands-on," and and we know what that engagement does. 00:12:45.633 --> 00:12:45.693 Yeah. 00:12:45.693 --> 00:12:46.090 Just does-" Yeah 00:12:46.100 --> 00:12:47.003 just data alone. 00:12:47.783 --> 00:12:50.893 From there, though, we're gonna take it from courtyard to cafeteria. 00:12:51.093 --> 00:12:51.263 Wow. 00:12:51.663 --> 00:12:52.860 And then we're gonna create a farmer's market market 00:12:53.180 --> 00:12:53.620 Jethro D. Jones: Mm-hmm. 00:12:53.660 --> 00:12:54.030 Evin Schwarz: So 00:12:54.120 --> 00:13:01.787 she created, I mean, pantry business, entrepreneurship, uh, biology, right? 00:13:01.900 --> 00:13:05.997 Like environmental studies, everything you can think of and in confidence 00:13:06.287 --> 00:13:07.477 and community- Yeah which 00:13:07.477 --> 00:13:09.347 you're getting to just like we need 00:13:09.737 --> 00:13:10.527 people to believe in 00:13:10.610 --> 00:13:10.890 other. 00:13:11.040 --> 00:13:11.330 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah. 00:13:11.477 --> 00:13:14.047 Evin Schwarz: And today, especially 2026, it's hard being a a human. 00:13:14.157 --> 00:13:15.020 Forget about just a teacher. 00:13:15.020 --> 00:13:15.220 No. 00:13:15.220 --> 00:13:15.420 Yeah. 00:13:15.487 --> 00:13:16.417 It's impossible 00:13:16.617 --> 00:13:17.917 being a teacher today. 00:13:18.307 --> 00:13:18.347 Yeah. 00:13:18.627 --> 00:13:23.057 You hear all this stuff, and not just from administration, just constantly like this 00:13:23.057 --> 00:13:24.937 and that, and it's so polarizing every 00:13:24.937 --> 00:13:30.137 single time you turn on the or flip open your feed of like, we just need community members. 00:13:30.137 --> 00:13:31.727 And what we've also seen is 00:13:31.727 --> 00:13:35.907 that teacher, and and this is the really, I think, the thing, at least from my 00:13:35.907 --> 00:13:36.467 side, I know our 00:13:36.467 --> 00:13:40.960 team feels very similar of that teacher that inspires all the peers. 00:13:40.970 --> 00:13:40.990 Yeah. 00:13:41.380 --> 00:13:41.540 And 00:13:41.540 --> 00:13:47.340 we've seen the proof in where one school goes from, "Hey, we're throwing this teacher because he or she crazy, 00:13:47.500 --> 00:13:49.787 Mm and like we don't know what to do with them anymore-" Yeah … to 00:13:50.007 --> 00:13:52.510 now the district is 30 teachers in the program. 00:13:52.520 --> 00:13:52.540 Yeah. 00:13:52.550 --> 00:13:54.309 And like we see that wave 00:13:54.309 --> 00:13:54.449 starting to 00:13:54.858 --> 00:13:55.908 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah, I like that. 00:13:56.158 --> 00:14:00.998 And I especially like that story about the, the garden, 'cause the three schools I was an administrator at- Mm-hmm 00:14:01.008 --> 00:14:02.308 we started a garden in each one. 00:14:02.388 --> 00:14:02.458 Yeah. 00:14:02.658 --> 00:14:06.029 And the thing that's so crazy is that I didn't even mean 00:14:06.029 --> 00:14:06.239 to. 00:14:06.258 --> 00:14:06.458 Yeah. 00:14:06.578 --> 00:14:09.549 Like, it wasn't like I was like, "I really believe in community gardens." 00:14:09.709 --> 00:14:14.619 It was like, no, here's an opportunity, and here's where it fits with these three three very 00:14:14.619 --> 00:14:14.969 different schools." 00:14:15.498 --> 00:14:18.358 One was, uh, inner city in Utah. 00:14:18.518 --> 00:14:18.538 Mm-hmm. 00:14:18.738 --> 00:14:24.039 Uh, one was on an island in Kodiak, Alaska, and one was in, uh, Fairbanks, 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:24.239 Alaska. 00:14:24.239 --> 00:14:24.858 That's awesome. 00:14:24.858 --> 00:14:27.128 And, like, the thing is, is that these things are 00:14:27.189 --> 00:14:28.898 are so, uh, 00:14:29.318 --> 00:14:29.548 so repeatable- 00:14:29.729 --> 00:14:30.908 repeatable- Mm-hmm … and, 00:14:30.908 --> 00:14:33.098 possible to do in all these different places. 00:14:33.608 --> 00:14:43.899 And the other thing that's great is that when somebody says, "This is what I'm doing," and they share it with their cohort, then and everybody's "Okay, I might not do do that exact thing, but now that makes me think, what else could I do?" 00:14:43.899 --> 00:14:44.739 That's exactly it. 00:14:44.739 --> 00:14:46.679 And, and that network effect of 00:14:46.719 --> 00:14:48.149 people, uh, e- 00:14:48.318 --> 00:14:52.688 e- expanding their horizons what they can do is incredibly powerful and- 00:14:52.698 --> 00:14:52.718 Yeah 00:14:53.018 --> 00:14:53.658 inspiring. 00:14:53.658 --> 00:15:05.498 And when it's not coming from the district saying, "You have to do this," and it's not coming from, uh, the, the saying, "This is a a requirement," Yeah but it's coming from somebody saying, "This is is what I think is be 00:15:05.498 --> 00:15:07.259 the best thing to to humanize education," 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:16.369 that super powerful for Yeah the, the peers to see and, and for them to to start emulating that kind of attitude as well. 00:15:16.439 --> 00:15:17.539 Evin Schwarz: Well, but they wanna show 00:15:17.539 --> 00:15:18.369 up the next 00:15:18.369 --> 00:15:18.389 Jethro D. Jones: day. 00:15:18.389 --> 00:15:18.609 Yeah. 00:15:18.809 --> 00:15:19.059 Evin Schwarz: Right? 00:15:19.079 --> 00:15:25.242 Like, if we're looking just really hard facts of how do we keep our great teachers in the building, right? 00:15:25.309 --> 00:15:26.739 And, and a lot of the of the great teachers are going to 00:15:26.739 --> 00:15:27.359 administration 00:15:27.829 --> 00:15:35.669 because

principal sup, today I I heard a stat other day, and I've said a lot recently, the average superintendent in your school district lasts two years and two months. 00:15:36.102 --> 00:15:36.382 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah, 00:15:36.432 --> 00:15:37.219 Evin Schwarz: So I I mean, you know 00:15:37.219 --> 00:15:37.489 this. 00:15:37.549 --> 00:15:37.759 Yeah. 00:15:37.979 --> 00:15:39.599 So it takes one year 00:15:39.662 --> 00:15:40.082 culture, 00:15:40.392 --> 00:15:40.929 Mm-hmm right, and 00:15:40.929 --> 00:15:43.559 trust of like, "Who is this person?" 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:43.879 Yeah. 00:15:43.989 --> 00:15:44.329 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah. 00:15:44.419 --> 00:15:45.739 Evin Schwarz: Year two, maybe you get something in, 00:15:45.989 --> 00:15:46.789 but you can't really 00:15:46.789 --> 00:15:48.649 build culture and community until year three to five. 00:15:48.892 --> 00:15:49.172 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah. 00:15:49.252 --> 00:15:50.772 Evin Schwarz: So you're going like this. 00:15:50.972 --> 00:15:51.112 Yep. 00:15:51.239 --> 00:15:51.749 And then that 00:15:51.749 --> 00:15:52.039 great 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:54.999 teacher, because they're a teacher, they should naturally 00:15:54.999 --> 00:15:56.429 be administration and lead our school. 00:15:56.879 --> 00:15:57.862 They're not for that. 00:15:57.962 --> 00:15:58.042 Yeah. 00:15:58.209 --> 00:16:00.072 But they're doing it because they put first 00:16:00.342 --> 00:16:01.492 over themselves, and I respect 00:16:01.492 --> 00:16:01.742 the hell 00:16:01.755 --> 00:16:02.103 out of it. 00:16:02.103 --> 00:16:02.219 Yeah. 00:16:02.219 --> 00:16:04.229 But, Yeah …it's not sustainable 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:06.609 in that way of how do you bring people in 00:16:06.609 --> 00:16:06.859 and get 00:16:06.859 --> 00:16:08.289 them to show up and be passionate, and 00:16:08.652 --> 00:16:09.779 also start introducing 00:16:09.779 --> 00:16:10.289 to community. 00:16:10.299 --> 00:16:10.319 Yeah. 00:16:10.849 --> 00:16:11.229 Like how 00:16:11.229 --> 00:16:20.192 mom, dad, grandpa, grandma, or guardian is going to feel when they have this amazing new experience of teachers showing up where, "Yeah, I want my kids school." Yeah. 00:16:20.229 --> 00:16:20.339 Yeah. 00:16:20.339 --> 00:16:21.319 And if we look at this 00:16:21.359 --> 00:16:29.059 industry, and I know I'm going this way that way, but if we look at the industry of butts in seats- Yeah … is one of the biggest challenges Why are my kids showing up? 00:16:29.169 --> 00:16:29.909 When are they showing up? 00:16:29.969 --> 00:16:31.009 Are they ever showing up? 00:16:31.352 --> 00:16:31.582 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah. 00:16:31.739 --> 00:16:33.349 Evin Schwarz: And schools are having a hard time wrapping their 00:16:33.974 --> 00:16:34.128 Jethro D. Jones: it. 00:16:34.128 --> 00:16:34.458 Yeah. 00:16:34.659 --> 00:16:36.302 And in seats with teachers also. 00:16:36.488 --> 00:16:36.508 Yeah, 00:16:36.508 --> 00:16:36.523 no 00:16:36.523 --> 00:16:36.538 doubt. 00:16:36.538 --> 00:16:36.668 Evin Schwarz: No 00:16:36.668 --> 00:16:36.878 Jethro D. Jones: doubt. 00:16:36.878 --> 00:16:40.228 Because there's a teacher shortage, there's a sub shortage. 00:16:40.238 --> 00:16:40.268 Yep. 00:16:40.538 --> 00:16:51.428 And, uh, and so many times, uh, and and principals are covering- Yeah … the other people in in their building, and which also makes it hard to have continuity. 00:16:51.468 --> 00:16:51.568 Mm-hmm. 00:16:51.838 --> 00:16:53.668 And, And, here's the other thing is 00:16:54.209 --> 00:16:55.158 one of, 00:16:55.228 --> 00:16:57.088 I believe, that humanizing education 00:16:57.289 --> 00:16:57.849 is that- 00:16:59.284 --> 00:16:59.494 In 00:16:59.557 --> 00:17:00.537 my schools, we 00:17:00.537 --> 00:17:01.767 tried to make it so that we didn't 00:17:01.767 --> 00:17:02.848 need a Yeah. 00:17:03.088 --> 00:17:09.368 And so that that if somebody gone, we had a system in place so that if we didn't have a sub- Mm-hmm … we could it. 00:17:09.528 --> 00:17:10.747 And that wasn't possible 00:17:10.747 --> 00:17:11.258 all the Yeah. 00:17:11.258 --> 00:17:11.457 And Yeah. 00:17:11.457 --> 00:17:12.377 Sometimes you needed, 00:17:12.628 --> 00:17:20.148 you need someone in there, but, but being flexible enough- Yeah … to make it so that it wasn't a, a wasted day, basically. 00:17:20.168 --> 00:17:20.188 Mm-hmm. 00:17:20.198 --> 00:17:20.977 Which it often 00:17:20.977 --> 00:17:21.267 is with a sub. 00:17:21.267 --> 00:17:21.477 Yeah, 00:17:21.477 --> 00:17:21.657 no 00:17:21.817 --> 00:17:22.027 Evin Schwarz: doubt. 00:17:22.157 --> 00:17:23.734 I mean, listen, I remember my of like 00:17:24.004 --> 00:17:24.944 rolling a push cart- 00:17:25.234 --> 00:17:25.254 Yeah 00:17:25.254 --> 00:17:25.937 … and here here comes the TV, 00:17:26.204 --> 00:17:26.234 right? 00:17:26.244 --> 00:17:26.264 Yeah. 00:17:26.784 --> 00:17:27.267 I can't 00:17:27.267 --> 00:17:27.777 imagine. 00:17:27.867 --> 00:17:28.227 I know they 00:17:28.287 --> 00:17:28.817 probably don't have that 00:17:28.817 --> 00:17:29.387 anymore, but like 00:17:29.894 --> 00:17:33.057 we're probably not that off from that in like new technology format- 00:17:33.164 --> 00:17:33.554 Jethro D. Jones: Mm-hmm 00:17:33.674 --> 00:17:35.527 Evin Schwarz: of like open, you know, your, this 00:17:35.537 --> 00:17:36.557 app and like here's- Yeah 00:17:36.637 --> 00:17:37.237 your assignment today. 00:17:37.427 --> 00:17:49.677 Jethro D. Jones: Uh, did… It w- I was… It was somebody else I was to yesterday who said that the way that they they were doing math instruction, uh, was that they would have a, uh, a video that they they would pull up. 00:17:49.878 --> 00:17:56.508 The teacher would hit play, the video would play, and it would be, uh, a teacher explaining the That's thing. 00:17:56.788 --> 00:17:59.978 They'd hit pause and "Okay,

discuss," or whatever. 00:18:00.288 --> 00:18:01.117 And I I was like, 00:18:01.137 --> 00:18:02.487 "Are you kidding me?" That's crazy. 00:18:02.797 --> 00:18:03.557 That is just crazy. 00:18:03.557 --> 00:18:04.867 Evin Schwarz: Like, why am I showing up for this? 00:18:04.867 --> 00:18:05.207 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah. 00:18:05.487 --> 00:18:06.067 I, I, 00:18:06.228 --> 00:18:07.028 There's no point. 00:18:07.178 --> 00:18:08.227 I should stay home. 00:18:08.367 --> 00:18:08.607 Evin Schwarz: Absolutely. 00:18:08.827 --> 00:18:11.074 And- Especially when you look on the other side of the of like, and 00:18:11.084 --> 00:18:12.214 we're not just gonna go to the YouTube, 00:18:12.244 --> 00:18:12.374 we're gonna 00:18:12.397 --> 00:18:13.307 not just gonna go to TikTok, or although 00:18:13.367 --> 00:18:14.107 those are real. 00:18:14.297 --> 00:18:14.627 Yeah. 00:18:14.667 --> 00:18:14.967 But 00:18:15.444 --> 00:18:15.887 I have a 00:18:15.887 --> 00:18:18.057 wealth of information in my pocket. 00:18:18.297 --> 00:18:18.607 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah. 00:18:18.607 --> 00:18:21.787 Evin Schwarz: Like I can start that or I can do this job or that job. 00:18:22.007 --> 00:18:22.257 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah. 00:18:22.444 --> 00:18:22.654 Evin Schwarz: it 00:18:22.664 --> 00:18:24.127 doesn't you don't have to You don't have to need a college degree 00:18:24.817 --> 00:18:24.937 Jethro D. Jones: anymore. 00:18:24.947 --> 00:18:24.967 Yeah, 00:18:25.094 --> 00:18:28.547 Evin Schwarz: like it's, we're in for, we're in for a ride- Yeah … over the next few 00:18:28.628 --> 00:18:28.658 Jethro D. Jones: over 00:18:28.658 --> 00:18:29.148 the next few years, 00:18:29.148 --> 00:18:29.288 I 00:18:29.308 --> 00:18:29.518 think. 00:18:29.518 --> 00:18:29.630 Yep. 00:18:29.630 --> 00:18:29.966 I think so. 00:18:29.966 --> 00:18:30.078 Yeah. 00:18:30.078 --> 00:18:33.718 And it's going, it's gonna be a and honestly I'm I'm looking to it. 00:18:33.728 --> 00:18:33.748 Yeah. 00:18:33.748 --> 00:18:34.048 I would agree. 00:18:34.087 --> 00:18:34.247 would agree. 00:18:34.247 --> 00:18:38.557 I, I that positive things are gonna come out of of it- Mm-hmm …even if it hurts a little bit- I 00:18:38.567 --> 00:18:38.797 Evin Schwarz: agree 00:18:38.907 --> 00:18:39.427 … Jethro D. Jones: in the short 00:18:39.427 --> 00:18:39.557 term. 00:18:39.557 --> 00:18:39.717 Evin Schwarz: Yeah. 00:18:39.818 --> 00:18:40.388 need a reset. 00:18:40.388 --> 00:18:40.728 Jethro D. Jones: Yeah. 00:18:40.928 --> 00:18:45.178 Uh, so how do people, if they're hearing this and they're like, "I wanna do something cool. 00:18:45.208 --> 00:18:46.618 I wanna get some extra funding. 00:18:46.848 --> 00:18:49.207 I I wanna education," how do do they 00:18:49.207 --> 00:18:50.264 get connected with Thinkering? 00:18:50.274 --> 00:18:50.864 Evin Schwarz: Great question. 00:18:50.864 --> 00:18:54.797 So thinkeringcollective.org, um, all of our programs are there. 00:18:55.117 --> 00:18:55.347 Uh, we 00:18:55.347 --> 00:19:01.957 have a great Substack that goes out twice a week as well with a boatload of content celebrating teacher voice and innovation and inspiration. 00:19:02.337 --> 00:19:04.527 Uh, go check that out first more than anything. 00:19:04.907 --> 00:19:06.614 Uh, give a subscription on that side too. 00:19:06.614 --> 00:19:07.044 It's free. 00:19:07.437 --> 00:19:10.254 But, um, that's always great to follow along with journey. 00:19:10.677 --> 00:19:11.944 Um, and then reach out, like 00:19:11.944 --> 00:19:13.277 our, our team is everywhere. 00:19:13.297 --> 00:19:14.434 We're loud about it. 00:19:14.444 --> 00:19:14.464 Yeah. 00:19:14.834 --> 00:19:15.567 Uh, a 00:19:15.567 --> 00:19:18.654 little obnoxious about it too, because we believe you need passion. 00:19:18.834 --> 00:19:19.064 Yeah. 00:19:19.174 --> 00:19:20.887 And you need people to show up and 00:19:20.887 --> 00:19:25.954 constantly talk say like, "This isn't right. Something needs change." So thinkeringcollective.org. 00:19:26.017 --> 00:19:27.444 We're we're on Instagram, 00:19:27.464 --> 00:19:29.074 the the whole And then, um, for 00:19:29.147 --> 00:19:29.637 me, reach out. 00:19:29.767 --> 00:19:32.374 I'm on LinkedIn primarily, um, Schwartz. 00:19:32.384 --> 00:19:32.734 and 00:19:32.974 --> 00:19:33.737 looking forward to chatting. 00:19:34.152 --> 00:19:34.582 Jethro D. Jones: Excellent. 00:19:34.592 --> 00:19:35.442 Thank you very much for being 00:19:35.545 --> 00:19:35.997 Evin Schwarz: Appreciate it, man. 00:19:36.057 --> 00:19:36.547 Always a pleasure. 00:19:36.592 --> 00:19:36.622 Jethro D. Jones: Always a pleasure.