Cybersecurity Expert Explains The PHP Bug, Railway Hack, and AI Breaking the Internet의 전체 녹취록

that, um, and then just hack it remotely. 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:51.279 And you couldn't do anything about it. 00:04:51.439 --> 00:05:10.639 And so that's why the patch is so critically important, is so that uh, you know, we can't have we can't have people just running around hacking all of our infrastructure, all of our websites, whether that's a travel blog or like unfortunately, a lot of government websites, a lot of banking websites, fintech stuff also runs on PHP. 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:18.399 Can you sort of explain, like of the sort of outbreak and fear we saw yesterday? 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:26.480 How much of it is for exploits that were already found, and then how much of it is extrapolating forward? 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:35.600 Oh shit, if they were able to do this, the implications are so much worse of what could happen like how much of it is future looking versus what's currently the case today. 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:42.480 I think every time we have one of these, and especially with like the PHP one, this bug existed in the PHP. 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:46.720 This vulnerability exists in the PHP since I think say 2004. 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:47.439 Whoa. 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:56.639 So this bug this vulnerability is probably older than some of your viewers, which is I mean, I was two, so yeah, exactly. 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:20.399 Uh so I think it's just like it's very, it's very eye-opening and it's very scary to realize that um the AI, and especially like properly harnessed AI, can find things that like we're getting to the point where the AI is is almost smarter than the humans. 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:26.639 And I think the fear, part of the fear is realizing that it is going to be smarter than the humans. 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:28.879 We're not that far away from it. 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:41.759 Um, and if our whole world is built on like these sort of janky tech stacks of PHP and you know, um the realization is that like, yeah, like that's that could be really, really bad. 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.040 Um we're not really secure at all. 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:52.160 I mean, how much of important stuff on the internet is built with these, like, like you said, janky sort of tech stacks? 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:54.240 Like, is that just like the internet is sort of like this? 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:54.720 Yeah. 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:57.439 Turns out, guys, the internet is super janky and old. 00:06:57.759 --> 00:06:59.680 Basically everything, yeah. 00:06:59.839 --> 00:07:08.000 So the other thing that your viewers were probably aware of is this e-mudra certificate thing. 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:08.800 No, I don't think. 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:09.439 Did you hear about this? 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:10.240 No, no, no, what is this? 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:14.480 Okay, so this is the other thing that a lot of people were panicking about this week. 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:19.600 It's basically the certificates that can that like make sure everything is secure and private on the internet. 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:25.680 Um, these were issued by an Indian company, Indian company that like works with the Indian government. 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:30.720 Certificates are um, it's actually it's very similar to crypto, right? 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:49.199 You have a private key, you have a public key, you have these signing things that happen in a test, and it allows you to like put your credit card into a forum on a website, and it's encrypted and it goes up into the cloud and it goes to the other servers, but anyone that's in the middle or seeing your stuff, they can't actually see that that data, right? 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:52.399 It's HTTPS, it's it's all that, right? 00:07:53.519 --> 00:08:05.360 Um, it turns out that turns out that the private key that this company was using, which everyone uses, um, was just the number four. 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:10.480 So if you guys saw like the four memes, if you saw a bunch of security nerds making four memes, that's what it was. 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:26.399 Again, this is like the underpinnings of the internet, it's like how the communication layer works, and I think again, this realization that our tech stacks are really quite janky, it's just oh my god, it's super eye-opening. 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:33.440 Wait, that's I thought it was like um it was uh forgive me, I thought it was a CZ reference. 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:39.919 I mean, it is because it's the number four, but it's also like, yeah, it's terrifying. 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:46.799 It's literally, it's like if you created like an Ethereum or Bitcoin or a Solana private key, that's just the number four. 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:48.000 Like that was your password. 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:54.240 That's essentially what these guys did, but that's like for it's for the certificates for you know the whole internet. 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:55.679 For the whole internet. 00:08:56.080 --> 00:09:01.840 That is well, so yeah, a lot of people, a lot of different people issue certificates, but they're one of the ones that's trusted. 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:02.960 Holy shit. 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:20.399 Okay, what's sort of surprising to me about this is like we've spent the last, I don't know, six months having siloed panic about exploits to crypto, and everyone is like crypto is uniquely the worst positioned. 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:32.639 Everything in crypto is gonna get hacked, DeFi is gonna get destroyed, crypto is gonna lose, and we're sort of pretending like it's just silo to crypto, and then it feels like you're closer to it than I am over the last couple days. 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:34.240 Now it's like okay, fuck crypto. 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:35.840 We already got the big stuff in crypto. 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:38.399 Crypto's actually fine or relatively fine. 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:40.159 Now it's like the whole internet. 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:48.799 Like, how is crypto in

like crypto-specific cryptography positioned relative to like everybody else on the internet? 00:09:49.519 --> 00:10:00.799 So I think one example of like just how much I guess better positioned crypto is is like with this four, this private key that was just the number four thing. 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:08.960 Imagine if you use the private key with the number four or a password with the number four in crypto, it would be like instantly drained. 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:12.799 Like you would be wrecked in in like not even a second, right? 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:19.039 And there'd be like, honestly, there would be like 20 dudes running to get you, like within a second, right? 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:24.559 Meanwhile, the certificate went completely unnoticed for like 16 months. 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:28.320 It was just like nobody, like nobody noticed for the whole time. 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:32.080 Um, and so I think that there's something to be said about crypto. 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:37.919 Like, we've actually hardened um the infrastructure, the the things that we do. 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:51.200 Like, we are naturally in a much more hardened position than perhaps some of these sort of like core internet things that nobody realizes exists um and might be super, super weak. 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:58.559 Um, I also think we're just operationally um we're super used to being wrecked all the time. 00:10:58.720 --> 00:10:58.879 Yeah. 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:00.240 Which I think this is a good take. 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:03.600 It's just like perpetual attacking on all systems, right? 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:04.159 Forever. 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:04.639 Yeah. 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:16.000 So one of the things I noticed with the PHP situation was like, you know, a lot of these guys are like really experienced, skilled, like DevOps guys who've been doing this for like a decade. 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:22.639 They definitely probably know more than crypto people, but they're not nearly as agile. 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:23.039 Whoa. 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:27.840 Like this, like an explosion happens, and like the first thing they do is they like freak out. 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:30.559 They're like, oh no, my sleep. 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:31.919 What am I gonna do? 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:35.759 Like, we need to schedule the patch release. 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:45.919 Meanwhile, in crypto, it's like something blows up and like everyone kind of stares at it and is like, okay, let's, you know, what like run, go get our funds, turn off the system. 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:46.720 You know what I mean? 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:50.000 There's like a protocol for how we deal with this stuff, yeah. 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:54.639 And it's not fun, but it's definitely it's not like the world is actually ending at this point, you know? 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:57.759 It's like, oh, go revoke your approvals, go whatever it is. 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:00.399 Yeah, there's like

standard, like we know how this works. 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:04.159 So I think there's something to be said about that. 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:07.840 Um, that's I like that take a lot. 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:11.919 What about the fact that it's GPT 5.6 soul, like now? 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:14.399 Or I guess it happened in August and it got leaked or whatever. 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:19.440 It isn't like it's this crazy insider, like super mythos. 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:25.039 Like it's sort of, I don't know, 5.6 soul was launched, it's good, but it didn't change the world. 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:27.919 It's not like the craziest super intelligence that's ever been created. 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:33.200 Like, what are your thoughts on the capabilities required to do what just happened? 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:38.080 I think, I think that's probably the scariest thing is that because I didn't think soul was that good. 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:39.039 Really? 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:41.519 I haven't been using it much at all. 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:46.720 I've actually been like quite bored for I haven't been touching my GPD at all lately. 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:56.480 Um and like, yeah, it was back in, I guess, August, but still like uh it's a it's yeah, I wouldn't say it's like the best model. 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:10.399 I I hope my assumption is that the humans in the loop here were the ones that sort of were able to like get the unique combination of knowledge and history and like point it really at the right place. 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:16.720 Um I assume that's what happened, just because it is such a weird deep vulnerability. 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:25.600 Um, but we don't know, and obviously, like I'm not convinced that the next model is gonna be um I mean, the next model is definitely not gonna be stupider. 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:32.240 We can say that at some point it will be able to like point itself and do this without the human in the loop. 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:47.039 You is there any way, like, is it is it the case that the offensive side, the hackers are just always gonna have like people like looking for exploits are always gonna have upper hand of people defending future vulnerabilities and patches? 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:50.320 Like, are we just gonna be playing cat and mouse for the inevitable future here? 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.399 Like, is it every day there's some new panic that was found? 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:57.440 I hope not every day, truly. 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:00.159 Like, it's been crazy the last few days. 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:09.679 I think that so there will be an equilibrium similar to like we've seen in crypto, but we've also seen in the real world. 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:13.200 We are just in a period of like enormous shift right now. 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:17.360 Um eventually there will be an equilibrium, right? 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:22.879 The the new code that people write will be way more secure, people will secure their old code. 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:30.720 I think we'll see a lot of people um just choosing to like rewrite old code bases or old products, right? 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:32.879 Because the AI can just do it for you. 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:39.200 You don't have to necessarily invest like billions of dollars to write this old portal, which used to be a thing, by the way. 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:47.519 Like the reason banks will draw out on these antiquated systems is like it's a huge cost to create the like create a new secure system. 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:49.759 And they have their real incentive to do it, right? 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:50.960 Yeah, exactly. 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:52.799 And so it's like, why turn it off? 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:53.840 Why change it? 00:14:54.000 --> 00:15:05.759 Um, but I think with AI, like you know, the AI is is quite good at coding, so that's one thing that will change is the AI will get better at writing really secure code at finding the vulnerabilities for defenders. 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:11.440 Um I think for the next I don't know, a couple years probably. 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:21.679 Fuck it's gonna be, I think it's probably you're gonna see these like pockets of just like deluge where it feels like the the sky is literally falling. 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:24.000 Um but we'll see. 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:24.480 We'll see. 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:27.279 I think we'll also we'll we have to get better at reacting. 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:28.000 I will say that. 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:31.200 Like we must, we must improve the reaction. 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:34.080 What is the sign that the sky is actually falling? 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:40.879 Like if X thing falls or X exploit is hit, I you should actually freak the fuck out and panic. 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:48.159 Um so honestly, you probably like shouldn't ever panic. 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:50.240 It's usually worse to panic. 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:53.519 Um if you're in crypto, you probably know this, right? 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:58.080 Like when the market starts like to crash, of course, don't go catch the falling knife. 00:15:58.240 --> 00:15:59.440 But it's the same with security. 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:02.080 Like if you panic, it usually it usually gets worse. 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:10.240 Um, I will say that I think that like the best advice I have for folks is um when you're not in a panic state. 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:16.320 So when you're like in a controlled, calm state, think about all the different assets that you have. 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:20.159 Think about all the different things that you have in your life that you value. 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:26.639 Um, whether that's like your crypto, whether that's your investments, whether that's like certain accounts on your computer. 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:35.440 Um, and think about how you can like secure those, but also how you can maybe diversify those to be secured by

different methods. 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:40.159 Because we are getting to a point where there is just like so much happening. 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:45.279 You don't want to get hacked and have your entire net worth wiped out, say, right? 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:54.879 It's better to diversify so that only like one egg in one basket gets wrecked rather than all of the eggs in the one basket. 00:16:55.120 --> 00:17:03.840 So spread things out, use different wallets, use cold storage, you know, those sorts of things I think are like will give people a lot of peace of mind. 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:07.279 I don't know how much you know about these like public cybersecurity companies. 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:09.680 I don't really know that much, but I know the big names. 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:15.119 Are any of them specifically like uniquely positioned to have the biggest impact? 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:22.480 Like Cloudflare or something like this, like who is the most important in the way the ha uh the exploiting is going? 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:36.319 Um, so Cloudflare is actually a really good example of a company that's not necessarily a security company, but it has stepped up numerous times over the past years to basically secure the entire internet. 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:44.960 Um, like one thing with the PHP, I don't know if you saw this, with the PHP incident, they basically changed the rule sets for all users proactively. 00:17:45.359 --> 00:18:04.640 So that if you have PHP on your server and you have Cloudflare in front of your PHP server, um instead of just doing basic like DDoS protection, it also looked very carefully for any like um any requests that were coming in that were gonna try to hack your PHP and just block them. 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:08.079 So it's sort of like you know the meme with the shield and the arrows? 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:10.079 Yeah, Cloudflare was like literally doing that. 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:17.119 Yeah, for all you all their users, even their free tier, they were like, We're not like the hackers aren't gonna win this one. 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:19.759 Um so that I thought that was pretty cool. 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:27.039 I know people have issues with Cloudflare as well, like, and it also feels weird to have the whole internet behind Cloudflare, like a single company. 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:35.039 But in times like this, you know, people do unique things like that, um, and protect the end users. 00:18:35.119 --> 00:18:37.839 And I think that that's that's super, super valuable. 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:44.480 And I think anyone else that's doing that sort of thing, who's like, what can how can we use our skills or our position to help people? 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:49.519 Are you know, those are the companies that I would I would back in in the new future. 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:53.279 What do you think about the uh I saw you tweeting about the railway to check? 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:54.079 Yeah, railway.

00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:55.920 What are the implications of that? 00:18:56.960 --> 00:19:00.799 Well, your crypto is probably already drained if you had your crypto key in Railway. 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:01.759 Oh my god. 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:05.039 Um I don't even really know what Railway is. 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:06.160 I've never used it before. 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:15.119 Okay, so Railway is a um, it's like um, it's like one of those newfangled AI coding deployment building platforms. 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:27.279 So basically, if you have like a GitHub with some code in it, if you have like if your AI agent built like a little applet, you have to like put it somewhere to get it deployed and you know, share it with your friends. 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:31.119 Railway was like pretty uniquely positioned to do all that. 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:35.359 So they they would like do a build or do a deploy for you and it'd be automatic. 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:37.519 They made it really, really easy for you. 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:50.400 And one way they did that was they also would like hold your secrets, and so secrets meaning your LLM like tokens, your API keys, your stripe keys, your uh your private keys for your wallets or whatever. 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:51.119 That's crazy. 00:19:51.359 --> 00:20:02.640 Um, and so usually it's more hobby projects, but like um like trading bots and stuff sometimes run on or could theoretically run on Railway. 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:06.160 Yeah, like MEV bots theoretically. 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:28.799 Um and so basically, we don't exactly know what happened yet, but basically the hackers got all the secrets variables in all in everyone's accounts, and so that they've and they've just been going down and grabbing all the money they can out of the crypto keys, but also like stealing people's like credits, like their AI credits, uh basically whatever they can get their hands on. 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:33.839 Um it's another it's just yeah, yeah. 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:39.200 That apparently that's what apparently that's what they wanted more than the crypto. 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:43.359 Um so yeah, and it's a good example though, right? 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:50.640 Like if you are a person you're using Railway with crypto keys because you have a project or you have a whatever, that's fine, that's great. 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:52.240 Just don't put all your money there. 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:54.960 I would say don't even put like one percent of your money there, right? 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:58.400 Like put a little pocket of money there, and you know what? 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:01.599 If it gets wrecked, that sucks, but you're gonna be okay. 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:02.880 Right? 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:03.519 Yeah. 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:15.440 Is there any crypto assets that you think are uniquely secure, like the private money stuff, Monero, Zcash, like Nier, stuff like this? 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:22.160 Like, is there anything you were like this is battle tested in a really, really, really good spot for the future that we're entering? 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:26.640 Uh uh. 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:28.720 Fuck. 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:32.400 I mean, okay, so I'll say privacy obviously is a big one. 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:45.759 Um, I think especially as automation and just like the the ability for like random people to um like extrapolate huge amount of like intel from big data sets. 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:55.599 Um, I think that that's gonna like lower the barrier and like it's gonna make it so that more people, like your average person, is just more aware of what they're sort of leaking on the internet. 00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:59.759 Um, so anything, anything that's privacy related is you. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:00.960 Usually a good call. 00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:04.640 I personally I stick with Monero and Zcash, both of them. 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:06.480 I don't go after the newfangled ones. 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:10.799 And you feel like Monero and Zcash are in like are not something to be concerned about. 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:15.519 I mean, everything is on the table at this point. 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:23.279 But I think in terms of like in terms of realistically, like, you know, they're they're more hardened than probably the rest. 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:28.400 Um I'm yeah, I I like I'm a classic person though. 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:32.240 Like I also like I I hold those alongside my Bitcoin and my Ethereum. 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:34.160 Are you concerned about Bitcoin at all? 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:44.640 After all this Justin Drake stuff and um I think that it'll be okay, but my biggest concern with Bitcoin is the Bitcoin culture. 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:52.000 They just they spend so much energy fighting and not necessarily evolving. 00:22:53.119 --> 00:23:05.680 And this yeah, but I think that in the last six months or so, just with all the really sort of Bitcoin focused exploits and hacks that have happened and impacted the community, I think they're they're getting a lot better. 00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:09.759 They're like playing catch-up though, relative to Ethereum and Solana, right? 00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:16.160 Because again, like Ethereum's like been hardening the smart contracts, reacting to stuff, improving stuff. 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:28.079 They have a really good um just like a way of navigating change where the Bitcoiners are basically have been trying to avoid any amount of change, and then when they're forced to change, it's quite hard. 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:29.200 That's not great. 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:31.680 That's that's fairly optimistic. 00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:32.799 I can like live with that. 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:36.319 Okay, for not for me, but for the non-technical people in the chat. 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:46.960 Do you have any advice on how to follow the significant moments and like the implications of what

happens here moving forward? 00:23:47.039 --> 00:24:04.960 Like, how do you figure out what is big and what is just like I know it's kind of a brutal question, but I am just curious like, what's just like Twitter hype versus what is actually impactful versus who is just LARPing versus who is serious and actually on sort of the front lines of protecting some of this stuff? 00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:13.279 Yeah, so I think it's actually quite similar to how you would like suss out like people who talk about the markets or the coins or whatever. 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:19.680 Like there's people that write the like breaking warning, all caps stuff. 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:24.880 And it's not necessarily that they're wrong, it's just like that's like your entry point. 00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:26.880 You're like, okay, something's happening here. 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:30.720 You shouldn't actually take it that seriously. 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:35.119 You should use it as like a jumping off point to go investigate further. 00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:50.240 Um, and then you want, yeah, you just want um to find people and articles and conversations that are a bit deeper and fly under the radar a bit and seemed more nuanced and not like freaking out. 00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:57.119 Um, and I also like, you know, when you especially like if you start clicking security stuff, you're gonna get more security stuff. 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:09.119 Notice that for all these incidents, there's like a few people that are like they'll talk about one incident, but then the next incident, they're not, you'll go and look and they're not talking about it. 00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:14.400 It's that's usually like a pretty good indication that like everything's gonna be okay, right? 00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:15.200 Okay. 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:22.720 Because like if it was if the world was literally going to end, every security expert would be talking about it. 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:29.519 So while these are like bigger incidents, there's still like a lot of really smart people who are like, Shrug, like, I'm gonna go to the beach today. 00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:31.279 Okay, so you're not freaking the fuck out. 00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:32.799 You're not gonna like panic all day today. 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:33.359 It's 7 a.m. 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:34.480 Like what do you get off this call? 00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:35.839 Are you gonna be panicking and freaking out? 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:43.519 Are you sort of like like where are you at on severity of today's like severity after looking at some of the damn at some of the damage? 00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:53.759 Um God, I mean I was uh I was up, I went to bed, and then I got back up, and then I'm probably gonna go back to bed after this and take another nap. 00:25:54.079 --> 00:26:01.920 So it's not like a normal, it's definitely not a normal day, but I we'll see. 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:04.079 There's still a lot of cleanup to be done. 00:26:04.160

--> 00:26:09.359 I think we'll see a couple like um follow-up incidents on the PHP stuff, especially. 00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:12.400 Like there's gonna be another, someone's gonna find another vulnerability or something. 00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:14.240 We're gonna have to do it all over again. 00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:20.480 Um the railway one, I'm interested in seeing if there's any like fallout from that one. 00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:25.359 Um theoretically, they got like some admin keys and we just don't know it yet. 00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:28.799 Uh, but yeah, generally, I don't know. 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:32.480 Don't okay, panicking is a bad idea. 00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:33.519 Okay, just remember. 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:35.119 I won't use that word anymore, by the way. 00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:35.599 I'll stop. 00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:37.440 I'll I'll remove that from my vocabulary. 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:39.359 I am my eyes are wide open though. 00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:39.680 Right. 00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:42.319 We are we are gonna be we're gonna be on it. 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:43.599 It's gonna be a long couple months. 00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:44.799 Uh fair. 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:48.319 Um, I mean, it's already been a long couple months, dude. 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:50.000 It's every day, every day. 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:56.480 I made a joke, like today's like the least eventful day of like the last month, you know, it's like nine things happen. 00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:59.119 Um it's kind of insane. 00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:01.839 Okay, you're incredible, and I really appreciate you coming on. 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:24.799 Basically, my last question for you if you have any sage sage advice for crypto stuff, but I think we're relatively savvy with the crypto stuff and maybe some of the non-crypto regular internet opsec, is there any easy, quick stuff that especially now, people should be doing, paying attention to, using to protect themselves that maybe we are actively not? 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:26.079 Yeah. 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:38.480 So one thing to keep in mind is that when we have these like big web two trad internet things happening, is that it's it there's upside to not having to do things, right? 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:43.279 So if you have all your money in Coinbase and PHP hits, you don't have to do anything. 00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:48.400 However, that means you're fully reliant on Coinbase to do the things. 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:57.599 So this is another reason why again, I just I my best recommendation is like to have multiple eggs in multiple baskets. 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:09.200 Um, Coinbase is obviously in a different, a different universe than some of the shadier exchanges, but also think about like your wallets, your trading bots, anywhere that has your private key. 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:19.279 Think carefully about like how much money you have in those because um, you know, it only takes one incident for for that to just be gone. 00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:22.000 And you don't want it to be all your money, please. 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:33.839 Um, and then yeah, also just in general with all your accounts, um the biggest thing people can do to level up is like get like a Yuba key or another hardware 2FA. 00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:38.160 Carry it around, put it on everything. 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:41.519 Um, it really does make a huge difference. 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:50.319 And there's a lot of instances where things will be compromised, but because you have that hardware, uh, they can't get into you know the most critical accounts. 00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:56.640 So think about like your Google accounts, your Dropbox, your Apple, like your computer, like you know, those sorts of things. 00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:02.559 The hardware helps helps a lot, but I think it's something that most people still don't have. 00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:04.880 The new ledger phone. 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:11.200 I mean, maybe wait for version two for the ledger book. 00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:13.440 Um, Tay, thank you. 00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:14.400 Honestly, thank you. 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:19.839 I I needed like a calm voice to come tell us that it's gonna be okay. 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:21.440 The sky is not falling. 00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:22.640 Um, you're incredible. 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:23.599 Do you have anything to show? 00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:24.640 Like, are you working anything? 00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:29.519 Do you want to direct people podcast, newsletter, anything you want to show reference? 00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:31.920 Because I think there's a lot of fans that would yeah. 00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:37.920 Well, okay, so I do I have my own podcast with like Kane and Austin, and that's uneasy money. 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:39.039 So you can listen to me. 00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:42.559 We just like shoot the shit about AI and crypto all once a week. 00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:44.799 Um, but I'm also on Twitter. 00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:47.920 I don't have a job, I'm so unemployed right now, it's fantastic. 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:49.039 I love everything. 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:51.119 Um, but I'm on Twitter. 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:56.000 My handle's Tay Bano, so T-A-Y-B-A-N-O, and then underscore at the end. 00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:56.880 I'm Tay. 00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:58.480 They can just find you from your freaking thing. 00:29:58.559 --> 00:29:59.359 Yeah, and I have you linked it. 00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:00.799 If you guys, yeah. 00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:05.599 So um, you can ask me questions, like at me and ask me stuff. 00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:07.599 And you know, what do you think about this? 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:14.240 I'm I'm again very unemployed and very on Twitter or X or whatever we call it these days. 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:15.680 I'm gonna take you up on it. 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:17.119 Um Tay, you're the goat. 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:18.960 Thank you so much, and good luck. 00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:19.599 Good luck. 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:20.240 Yeah, good luck. 00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:20.799 You too. 00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:21.839 Okay, one. 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:22.400 Much love. 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:22.880 Thank you. 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:23.599 Bye bye. 00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:24.160 Bye.