Information Is Worthless...Until You Know How to Connect It (With or Without AI) | with Nick Milo의 전체 녹취록

everything you're seeing today is going to be much much further along. 02:04.948 --> 02:09.932 [SPEAKER_00]: but I'm a big believer in doing this thing kind of stealing an idea from the author Austin Kleon. 02:09.952 --> 02:11.793 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you're familiar with him, but I love Austin. 02:12.114 --> 02:14.035 [SPEAKER_00]: And he talks about the idea of showing your work. 02:14.596 --> 02:25.304 [SPEAKER_00]: And as a recovering perfectionist, I'm doing much better to be okay with showing things that are half thought, half completed and bringing people into the process rather than it's got to be perfect before people see it. 02:25.724 --> 02:34.387 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is all of mine and my team's dirty laundry today, the early beta version of this Obsidian knowledge base vault that we're building for this conference. 02:34.907 --> 02:39.149 [SPEAKER_00]: But before we dive right into it, I want to get people just a little bit of context. 02:39.549 --> 02:50.613 [SPEAKER_00]: And that is the context about why it is that you are here and what's very unique about you being here is that in a former life, many, many, many years ago, you were a student of mine. 02:51.253 --> 03:03.419 [SPEAKER_00]: So, if you and I recorded an in-depth podcast talking all about your career pivot and transition out of entertainment into the world of personal knowledge management, so for anybody that wants, you know, like the full menu will link to that. 03:03.479 --> 03:09.442 [SPEAKER_00]: But give us the back of the nap conversion of kind of this transition from old life to new life and how you became Mr. Obsidian. 03:10.162 --> 03:12.623 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, I'm just going to do high-level stuff. 03:12.883 --> 03:13.583 [SPEAKER_01]: I graduated with this 03:15.111 --> 03:20.072 [SPEAKER_01]: until that wasn't fun anymore, and then a former call to football team made of my of mine. 03:20.332 --> 03:32.274 [SPEAKER_01]: We co-founded a business called Pink Gloves Boxing, and it was a fitness boxing business, a fitness program, but it was more about empowerment and leadership, and that was sort of our Trojan Horse. 03:32.355 --> 03:36.435 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll get you a good workout, but also you'll learn more about yourself and be able to lead others. 03:36.775 --> 03:40.836 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll be able to box, you'll also be able to hold and be like one, one, 03:45.338 --> 03:46.078 [SPEAKER_01]: took that everywhere. 03:46.358 --> 03:51.959 [SPEAKER_01]: It became international 60 different locations, big-in colleges, universities, and also in Scandinavia. 03:52.699 --> 03:58.700 [SPEAKER_01]: We also had a few locations in Saudi Arabia, which felt sort of subversive because of a lot about an empowerment. 04:01.121 --> 04:09.382 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, during that time, I went to New York and started working at HBO in the fitness department. 04:12.875 --> 04:14.536 [SPEAKER_01]: to move over to Los Angeles. 04:15.317 --> 04:19.941 [SPEAKER_01]: And I started working at a few different on a few different shows, TV shows. 04:21.035 --> 04:33.698 [SPEAKER_01]: including at HBO, where I was now no longer working in the fitness department, but parlayed some of those relationships to working in their programming department as an assistant to one of the main executives. 04:33.718 --> 04:36.219 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was quite an experience. 04:36.239 --> 04:39.919 [SPEAKER_01]: Through all that process, I found that I wanted to become an editor. 04:40.479 --> 04:41.740 [SPEAKER_01]: That's when we cross paths. 04:42.300 --> 04:43.180 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw what you were doing. 04:43.360 --> 04:45.221 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I need to figure out how to get, 04:47.261 --> 05:12.996 [SPEAKER_01]: into assistant editing and then really from assistant editing into editing into that part of the chair, picture editing and through working with you, a long story short about a year later I had my first ever credit but it was also as the pandemic was rolling around and my nerdy interest came to the forefront which was always about thinking journaling taking notes and now suddenly as the pandemic 05:15.679 --> 05:19.081 [SPEAKER_01]: 75 year long dream was finally at our fingertips. 05:19.101 --> 05:26.244 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if you know it like the history of all this, but it was the ability to finally link our thoughts to other thoughts digitally. 05:26.744 --> 05:31.687 [SPEAKER_01]: And this was a dream that started in 1945 by Vannever Bush with something called the Memex. 05:32.247 --> 05:34.768 [SPEAKER_01]: And essentially he was saying, he has this essay. 05:34.788 --> 05:36.749 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a famous essay called As We May Think. 05:37.349 --> 05:42.532 [SPEAKER_01]: And in it he basically says, if all the scientists who are spending all the time in World War II, 05:43.916 --> 05:51.283 [SPEAKER_01]: devote their energy away from war and to the advancement of knowledge, imagine what we could do. 05:51.883 --> 05:59.971 [SPEAKER_01]: And there, he proposes, like, what if we had this thing where we could link our ideas together, our personal knowledge together in such a way that allows us to cultivate it? 06:00.672 --> 06:03.014 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was the White Whale for the next 75 years, until 2020. 06:04.800 --> 06:10.964 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, if you're really technical, you could find out ways to do it, but not like today, not like for the past six years. 06:11.524 --> 06:12.705 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, we truly can. 06:12.845 --> 06:21.550 [SPEAKER_01]: We can think digitally, almost as fast as our brains naturally do, and we have a trail that we can come back to and continue to cultivate these ideas. 06:22.130 --> 06:30.875 [SPEAKER_01]: So since 2020, that's where I've created linking your thinking and my business, and I hope people figure out how do we actually accomplish this, how do we conquer information 06:34.294 --> 06:37.217 [SPEAKER_01]: With all that space that opens up, what

can we do now? 06:37.817 --> 06:44.603 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what do you actually want to do with all of those information, all those bits of information, and bits of ideas that mean something to you? 06:45.003 --> 06:58.215 [SPEAKER_01]: Now you don't know longer after remember it, now they're connected in really informative ways, and we can finally go from worrying about organization, to worrying spending time and ideation, and that's the big twist. 06:58.415 --> 07:01.498 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I'm really excited about linkedin notes and everything that we can do. 07:02.618 --> 07:21.042 [SPEAKER_00]: there are so many things that I want to dive into and I think it's to me it's so funny that you started in the world of fitness and then transition into Hollywood post-production which is like the anti-fitness industry which is as you know that's kind of where I started and that my very first foray out of the out of Bay into building a business and building a community. 07:21.442 --> 07:28.248 [SPEAKER_00]: was this community called fitness in post, which was the combination of people working in Hollywood post production and interested in fitness. 07:29.049 --> 07:39.339 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just assumed everybody wanted to get more fit and be healthy and be better people and focus on personal development and didn't take me long to realize that fitness in post was an oxymoron. 07:39.819 --> 07:42.482 [SPEAKER_00]: But to me it was kind of the seed that was planted of, oh, 07:42.942 --> 07:52.765 [SPEAKER_00]: There is a world of people that are interested in bettering themselves and learning more and connecting knowledge and even though that was my first failed brand. 07:52.805 --> 07:56.427 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that was the platform that led to what I'm doing now. 07:57.107 --> 08:08.471 [SPEAKER_00]: But one of the challenges that I ran into that I think so many people are running into even to today with the exception of those that have already found you is that there is so much information. 08:08.991 --> 08:11.854 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the world is information overload everywhere. 08:11.894 --> 08:13.855 [SPEAKER_00]: We're never going to listen to all the podcasts. 08:13.875 --> 08:16.398 [SPEAKER_00]: We're never going to watch all the things in the Netflix queue. 08:16.818 --> 08:23.243 [SPEAKER_00]: I made a joke years ago and you could, at the very beginning of Netflix where you could create, you know, like here's my watch list. 08:23.664 --> 08:28.008 [SPEAKER_00]: I said, there's going to be a psychological condition that's called Netflix queue anxiety. 08:28.668 --> 08:32.950 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if it's, you know, in the DSM, but people like, oh my god, I have all the stuff to watch. 08:32.990 --> 08:33.870 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm never going to get through it. 08:33.910 --> 08:35.691 [SPEAKER_00]: Now there's 17 streaming platforms. 08:35.711 --> 08:39.812 [SPEAKER_00]: There's an endless stream of content on social, but there's

so much information. 08:39.852 --> 08:42.794 [SPEAKER_00]: And information no longer has any value whatsoever. 08:43.494 --> 08:45.715 [SPEAKER_00]: Now with the chat bots, we have access to everything. 08:46.515 --> 08:52.841 [SPEAKER_00]: And my theory is, and I would assume that you're very much in the same category, it's about knowing how to find the right information. 08:53.142 --> 08:59.007 [SPEAKER_00]: But then knowing how to be able to link the ideas together so you can execute on it, because I don't believe ideas have value. 08:59.308 --> 09:07.776 [SPEAKER_00]: I believe executed ideas have the value, and that's where I think the work you're doing is such a game changer for anybody that actually wants to implement things that they're learning. 09:08.863 --> 09:09.684 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I will agree with that. 09:09.824 --> 09:17.869 [SPEAKER_01]: The information scarcity before our lifetime is essentially information was scarce and it was valuable. 09:17.989 --> 09:22.351 [SPEAKER_01]: Now it's abundant and therefore each piece of it is less valuable. 09:22.812 --> 09:27.915 [SPEAKER_01]: So therefore what makes the value and the value is what we make of it. 09:28.755 --> 09:39.962 [SPEAKER_01]: by cultivating those pieces of information that spark with us, those ideas that mean something for us, and putting them together in such a manner that value is then created. 09:40.082 --> 09:53.751 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be different, whether you're someone who reports at work and have to write a white paper versus someone who has just talking online versus someone who's retired and just wants to cultivate meaningful experiences and makes sense of what they've done in life and what's next for them. 09:54.171 --> 09:56.472 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's about what we make of it though. 09:56.632 --> 09:58.853 [SPEAKER_01]: It's no longer just being finding it. 09:58.993 --> 10:00.414 [SPEAKER_01]: It's how do we interact with it? 10:00.434 --> 10:03.776 [SPEAKER_01]: How do we engage with this information? 10:03.796 --> 10:04.416 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all around us. 10:04.891 --> 10:25.950 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and this is something that I talked about with Ethan Mullick as well, but the way that he kind of frames it is that one of the things that AI does specifically these LOMs and this version of AI that we're all talking about in this moment is that it's a leveler, which means that whatever level you were at anything pre AI everybody significantly levels up. 10:26.530 --> 10:40.502 [SPEAKER_00]: and I think one of the mistakes that people make and you can tell me if you see this in your communities as well, is that they're comparing what they could do before to what they could do now, not what I can do now compared to whatever buddy else can do now with the same tools. 10:40.562 --> 10:43.185 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh my god, I've accessed all this information. 10:43.225 --> 10:44.746 [SPEAKER_00]: I can write much better emails. 10:44.786 -->

10:46.267 [SPEAKER_00]: I can write much better this or that. 10:46.347 --> 10:46.648 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, 10:47.108 --> 10:48.049 [SPEAKER_00]: So can everybody else? 10:48.069 --> 10:56.993 [SPEAKER_00]: You have the same tools as everybody, so becomes even more important to have taste to have judgment and an ability to know the good information from the bad information and can I come over together? 10:58.073 --> 11:02.436 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with the what you said at the very end and not anything before that. 11:02.516 --> 11:03.996 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually disagree with most of that. 11:04.497 --> 11:05.417 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, please, tell me why. 11:05.777 --> 11:06.958 [SPEAKER_01]: We're seeing males are being written. 11:07.658 --> 11:10.479 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's what I agree with. 11:10.620 --> 11:13.241 [SPEAKER_00]: And the bars not, I guess I guess 11:15.762 --> 11:24.566 [SPEAKER_01]: I know you don't mean that by the way, I have to push back for, actually, my community and kind of how I feel too is that we don't have to work harder, we don't, the bar is not raised for everybody. 11:24.586 --> 11:38.953 [SPEAKER_01]: The bar has actually been lowered, there's slop everywhere, and people that I once admired are now putting out slop, so they've actually become worse, and they've no longer, they haven't reached the bar that I'm actually going to pay attention to them. 11:39.013 --> 11:41.675 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm actively ignoring them, and just shake my head, I'm like, 11:42.315 --> 11:44.677 [SPEAKER_01]: used to be someone I respected like what happened. 11:45.117 --> 11:50.100 [SPEAKER_01]: So now more than ever to what you said at the end, it's about taste. 11:50.541 --> 11:52.022 [SPEAKER_01]: How do we cultivate that taste? 11:52.602 --> 11:57.646 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's bringing, it's bringing discernment, it's bringing opinions. 11:57.806 --> 12:04.710 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like being vis-rely engaged with the material, right or wrong, you know, whatever, you know, change your mind, sure. 12:04.870 --> 12:05.831 [SPEAKER_01]: Like have what's 12:08.813 --> 12:14.495 [SPEAKER_01]: what if you have that strong opinion and you go out there and someone pushes back or sometimes AI pushes back sure. 12:14.975 --> 12:18.197 [SPEAKER_01]: Then it's like, okay, I can think about that and then adjust. 12:18.637 --> 12:26.260 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so I don't know, yeah, I don't know exactly, I don't want to be too adversarial, but do you think that there's 12:27.783 --> 12:45.637 [SPEAKER_01]: The a lot of what's happening with AI is not being helpful for the sense maker in us is actually getting in the way of that and a lot of the gains that are being made in the short term are at the sacrifice of the ability for wisdom to be cultivated. 12:46.713 --> 12:47.615 [SPEAKER_00]: So here's the funny thing. 12:47.875 --> 12:50.118 [SPEAKER_00]: You're actually not being adversarial at all. 12:50.298 --> 12:52.562 [SPEAKER_00]: You and

I agree on every single point. 12:52.622 --> 12:54.825 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think we're coming at it through slightly different lenses. 12:55.246 --> 12:57.969 [SPEAKER_00]: So let me come back to that argument again and clarify for you. 12:58.410 --> 13:03.037 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as a leveler and that it makes everybody's emails quote unquote better. 13:03.357 --> 13:05.619 [SPEAKER_00]: makes everybody's reports quote unquote better. 13:05.659 --> 13:10.323 [SPEAKER_00]: So we think, oh, the quality of this is so much better than what I was personally capable of. 13:10.723 --> 13:17.548 [SPEAKER_00]: But the problem is that everybody has the same tool so everybody sounds the same and everybody's equally mediocre. 13:18.069 --> 13:20.030 [SPEAKER_00]: And now the value is in the effort. 13:20.050 --> 13:23.433 [SPEAKER_00]: So I wasn't saying that objectively, the emails are getting better. 13:23.473 --> 13:24.594 [SPEAKER_00]: The reports are getting better. 13:24.614 --> 13:25.995 [SPEAKER_00]: The slack messages are getting better. 13:26.035 --> 13:27.356 [SPEAKER_00]: The social pulse are getting better. 13:27.717 --> 13:28.317 [SPEAKER_00]: If the person's 13:29.638 --> 13:30.378 [SPEAKER_00]: that it's getting better. 13:30.398 --> 13:32.159 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I could never write an email. 13:32.199 --> 13:32.580 [SPEAKER_00]: This could. 13:32.600 --> 13:33.260 [SPEAKER_00]: This is great. 13:33.540 --> 13:34.080 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it isn't. 13:34.120 --> 13:34.881 [SPEAKER_00]: It's garbage. 13:34.961 --> 13:37.182 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's the same garbage that everybody else is writing. 13:37.202 --> 13:38.603 [SPEAKER_00]: So I actually think you and I agree. 13:39.943 --> 13:40.484 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true. 13:40.664 --> 13:42.105 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, that and that's, um, I guess I would. 13:43.102 --> 13:49.687 [SPEAKER_01]: the term that I bucket that under is like cognitive surrender were tired and so we turn to this tool and it does something for us. 13:49.727 --> 13:50.628 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, that's good. 13:51.188 --> 13:54.371 [SPEAKER_01]: But we're actually surrendering our cognition. 13:55.052 --> 14:01.297 [SPEAKER_01]: And if we were to look at it with fresh eyes and not just worry about deadlines or getting something out, we're like, oh, wait a second, that's actually not good at all. 14:02.978 --> 14:07.602 [SPEAKER_01]: And and that's yeah, I think that's kind of what we're we're abdicating oftentimes. 14:07.862 --> 14:08.682 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's 14:09.743 --> 14:10.163 [SPEAKER_01]: is what it is. 14:10.283 --> 14:12.244 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go where we need to next. 14:12.345 --> 14:23.070 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that again, even though we might be looking at from slightly different lenses, I think we're saying the exact same thing and arguing the same point, that what really matters is the effort. 14:23.130 --> 14:25.111 [SPEAKER_00]: What really matters is the human touch. 14:25.671 -->

14:29.533 [SPEAKER_00]: But where I also differentiate in this is something that I talked about with Ethan. 14:29.573 --> 14:31.554 [SPEAKER_00]: I talked about it with a lot of people at this conference. 14:31.574 --> 14:32.895 [SPEAKER_00]: I've had many, many conversations. 14:33.355 --> 14:40.020 [SPEAKER_00]: I need a version of Obsidian that's literally in my brain because there's so many ideas to connect which is going to lead us to the knowledge based on a little bit. 14:40.900 --> 14:46.064 [SPEAKER_00]: But effort to me is the real value of all this even in the imperfections, right? 14:46.124 --> 14:53.689 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the best way to encapsulate it was one of one of my friends who's also going to be doing the Q&A Steve Cam, right, or of how to try again. 14:54.269 --> 14:59.673 [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, if you're not going to take five minutes to write it, don't expect me to take five minutes to read it. 14:59.733 --> 15:02.475 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all about the effort I'm looking for those imperfections. 15:02.855 --> 15:05.718 [SPEAKER_00]: But where I separate this is the good friction from the bad friction. 15:06.498 --> 15:09.600 [SPEAKER_00]: The good friction is it's hard to write an email to somebody. 15:09.640 --> 15:15.805 [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to do the research and read some of their book or watch a few episodes of their TV show or watch their podcasts, whatever it is. 15:15.865 --> 15:17.946 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, the robots can do all that for you. 15:17.986 --> 15:20.108 [SPEAKER_00]: Summarize, look in the transcripts, but that's the 15:20.308 --> 15:27.930 [SPEAKER_00]: effort you should be making that shows I see you, like your work is being seen, your message is being heard, that requires the effort. 15:28.430 --> 15:39.733 [SPEAKER_00]: But then there's the bad friction, which is all of the busy work, sifting through all the information, and that's where I do believe, either the robots or even the human version of something like linking you're thinking an obsidian. 15:40.473 --> 15:45.896 [SPEAKER_00]: they reduce or all but eliminate so much of the bad friction that just creates anxiety and just takes time. 15:46.417 --> 15:52.361 [SPEAKER_00]: So for me, an example of bad friction is, I've recorded 15 one-hour podcast conversations. 15:52.821 --> 15:54.462 [SPEAKER_00]: All of them are on one topic. 15:54.502 --> 16:03.588 [SPEAKER_00]: There are a bunch of themes and sub themes and they all connect, but in doing an event similar to this, on a smaller scale, but you were also a speaker at the summit that I did about a year and a half ago. 16:04.430 --> 16:11.116 [SPEAKER_00]: Then, number one piece of feedback I got over and over was, these are great conversations, but there's so many of them. 16:11.196 --> 16:15.921 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so overwhelmed, I don't know what to do with this, and like, huh, that's interesting. 16:15.961 --> 16:16.761 [SPEAKER_00]: I can see that. 16:16.801 --> 16:20.585 [SPEAKER_00]: I can understand that feedback and I think it's valid, is there a solution to it. 16:21.165 --> 16:22.426 [SPEAKER_00]: To me, that's bad friction. 16:23.207 --> 16:28.689 [SPEAKER_00]: Should we just have the robot summarize all 15 of the conversations and say here the five keyboard points? 16:28.829 --> 16:29.110 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 16:29.930 --> 16:42.956 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the effort is still required, but I think there is bad friction that the robots or these knowledge-based systems can help so people can find what they need faster, but then also connect their own ideas with the other ideas. 16:43.536 --> 16:45.897 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of the reason that I wanted to bring you back. 16:46.505 --> 16:46.985 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. 16:47.265 --> 16:48.486 [SPEAKER_01]: And to that, I agree. 16:48.586 --> 17:06.654 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're sifting through so much information, you know, being able to have AI do some sort of paths as a research assistant, consolidate, bring up concepts, like can a concept be made into a note that then can be a bit of a cognitive scaffolding that then we can make. 17:06.734 --> 17:06.974 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 17:07.434 --> 17:08.534 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to remember that thing. 17:08.895 --> 17:11.756 [SPEAKER_01]: And now different conversations are linking to the same idea that comes up. 17:12.757 --> 17:17.163 [SPEAKER_01]: And that allows us to put some context around it, just by looking out and seeing these connections. 17:18.145 --> 17:23.953 [SPEAKER_01]: Then yeah, I think it's providing the scaffolding upon which we can take the ideas further that we'd like to. 17:25.002 --> 17:31.029 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do a visual demonstration in a few minutes just so people actually get a sense of what in the world that we're talking about. 17:31.069 --> 17:40.859 [SPEAKER_00]: But before I hit the screen chair button and we go into this early beta version of the knowledge base that will be far further down the line for anybody if they're seeing this when the conference launches. 17:41.340 --> 17:43.021 [SPEAKER_00]: But let's take a step backwards. 17:43.882 --> 17:45.382 [SPEAKER_00]: What is Obsidian? 17:45.462 --> 17:47.123 [SPEAKER_00]: What are we even going to be playing with? 17:47.143 --> 17:50.183 [SPEAKER_00]: Because to most people, I'm finding they've never heard of this. 17:50.223 --> 17:55.304 [SPEAKER_00]: They're familiar with Apple Notes, maybe Evernote, but Obsidian's still kind of a new player in this world. 17:55.825 --> 17:57.245 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, but it's like that. 17:57.465 --> 17:58.705 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's like Apple Notes. 17:59.765 --> 18:03.686 [SPEAKER_01]: Apple Notes, you can link a note to another note. 18:04.026 --> 18:07.047 [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't work so well, but it works. 18:07.427 --> 18:10.108 [SPEAKER_01]: Obsidian is just another note application out there. 18:10.908 --> 18:12.308 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, a lot of people like it.

18:13.384 --> 18:14.625 [SPEAKER_01]: Why do they like it? 18:14.945 --> 18:20.468 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're not trapped into another piece of software that you don't own. 18:20.628 --> 18:25.771 [SPEAKER_01]: So just, Obsidian just allows you to look at files on your computer, on your computer. 18:26.331 --> 18:28.192 [SPEAKER_01]: So, evernote doesn't do that. 18:28.692 --> 18:33.475 [SPEAKER_01]: Evernote has a proprietary format, and you're looking at notes on their cloud server. 18:33.795 --> 18:34.756 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have a copy of that. 18:35.496 --> 18:38.278 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't export its in their proprietary format. 18:39.298 --> 18:47.506 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't really own your data and that's fine until it's not and tell you like well I don't want to why is ever note. 18:47.646 --> 18:58.817 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they were acquired another raising their prices I don't do I really want to pay that high amount every single month and then you start to feel like wow I don't have any digital sovereignty 18:59.837 --> 19:01.018 [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, what a concept. 19:01.858 --> 19:05.581 [SPEAKER_01]: Digital sovereignty, like owning, what is sovereignty? 19:05.761 --> 19:09.903 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like you're like owning yourself or, you know, what about like in medieval times? 19:10.824 --> 19:13.485 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you have a land or were you a peasant? 19:14.886 --> 19:17.868 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you had land, you were like a lowered or a doke or something. 19:17.928 --> 19:21.190 [SPEAKER_01]: If you didn't, you were a peasant and you weren't sovereign. 19:21.690 --> 19:25.833 [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't have, you're just at the whims of the royalty above you. 19:26.862 --> 19:37.607 [SPEAKER_01]: And so every note is acting from that place and in apps like that because they want you to stay on their system in their application and they want you to pay them. 19:38.527 --> 19:39.688 [SPEAKER_01]: Obsidian doesn't work that way. 19:41.540 --> 19:44.241 [SPEAKER_01]: You have notes on your computer if you choose to go this way. 19:44.881 --> 19:49.662 [SPEAKER_01]: And then Obsidian is one of hundreds of different applications that allow you to view these notes. 19:50.823 --> 19:56.504 [SPEAKER_01]: And they allow you to view them in so many powerful ways and make connections and edit them and do all these things. 19:57.064 --> 19:59.045 [SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of the day, it's just a note application. 20:00.445 --> 20:06.647 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really neat though when you're typing and you're like, OK, that reminds me of this other note. 20:07.007 --> 20:09.168 [SPEAKER_01]: And so then you just type the little link command. 20:10.242 --> 20:14.893 [SPEAKER_01]: that that and then like you get this auto complete window of all other notes. 20:15.749 --> 20:20.530 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm like, oh, that reminds me of cognitive inferno, a term in the book I'm writing. 20:21.410 --> 20:25.931 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I type COG, like the start of cognitive, and I get cognitive inferno. 20:26.111 --> 20:27.632 [SPEAKER_01]: Next to cognitive overload. 20:28.312 --> 20:29.852 [SPEAKER_01]: Next to cognitive affordances. 20:29.892 --> 20:31.953 [SPEAKER_01]: These are notes that I've made that means something to me. 20:31.973 --> 20:33.893 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, yeah, affordances. 20:33.953 --> 20:36.114 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's a cool concept. 20:36.574 --> 20:41.675 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm serendipitously reminded of this thing while I'm searching for something else. 20:42.648 --> 20:46.932 [SPEAKER_01]: So how do we remember, how do we recall, how do we improve our memory and that? 20:47.252 --> 20:53.639 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, research from the 1885 Evan House, but it's been replicated multiple times. 20:53.679 --> 20:55.400 [SPEAKER_01]: It's about the forgetting curve, like it. 20:55.761 --> 21:02.247 [SPEAKER_01]: If we rapidly forget everything 24 hours after we've touched it, if we recall the next day, 21:03.255 --> 21:04.895 [SPEAKER_01]: that improves will be able to remember. 21:05.015 --> 21:06.616 [SPEAKER_01]: If we were called the next week, that improves. 21:07.076 --> 21:09.516 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, in our idea verse, that's what I call it. 21:09.556 --> 21:18.918 [SPEAKER_01]: But in our linked note system, when we have these certain dipitous encounters with a note-like cognitive importance, I'm now remembering this. 21:18.958 --> 21:19.798 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm recalling it. 21:19.999 --> 21:26.440 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm reinforcing my memory, re-internalizing these things. 21:27.518 --> 21:28.138 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's joyful. 21:28.399 --> 21:29.439 [SPEAKER_01]: I can kind of wander. 21:29.479 --> 21:30.520 [SPEAKER_01]: I can re-experience that. 21:30.800 --> 21:45.611 [SPEAKER_01]: But then I'm bringing that to every other encounter I have, every other experience, every other situation that's at the forefront of my mind allowing me to be equipped with all this and that allows me to operate at a different level much more. 21:45.631 --> 21:49.374 [SPEAKER_01]: I would say informed and confident in the actions that I take. 21:49.754 --> 21:51.075 [SPEAKER_01]: So what is Obsidian? 21:51.095 --> 21:52.156 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a note application. 21:53.202 --> 22:00.188 [SPEAKER_01]: where you on the notes, because they're on your computer, and it allows you to take advantage of the wonderful world of linked notes. 22:01.549 --> 22:03.250 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a wonderful way to encapsulate it. 22:03.290 --> 22:10.036 [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like you do this for a living, and you actually, I don't know, teach this program and help people build their knowledge management systems, but it's always different. 22:10.056 --> 22:10.876 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's always different. 22:10.936 --> 22:16.641 [SPEAKER_01]: People, you know, it's like, I never know where someone's coming from, like, you know, you said Zach, some people here, they'll know, others won't. 22:16.721 -->

22:20.124 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, am I, am I, you know, is this a good way to reach them? 22:20.444 --> 22:22.326 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but I hope it, I hope it's helpful. 22:22.852 --> 22:34.823 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, from my perspective as somebody that isn't nearly have the level of depth that you do both with just technology in general and linking all these notes and working in advanced level and understanding AI. 22:35.684 --> 22:41.409 [SPEAKER_00]: When it comes to the world of film and television editing, I was pretty good at what I did outside of that when it comes to technology. 22:41.469 --> 22:43.631 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm on a combination of record Ralph and Mr. McGoo. 22:44.171 --> 22:46.872 [SPEAKER_00]: Just asked my team, like, oh, God, he broke something else. 22:46.932 --> 22:48.732 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's, uh, here's all the thing works. 22:49.412 --> 22:53.053 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I'm not one to go super deep in advanced into programs. 22:53.733 --> 23:01.375 [SPEAKER_00]: And what I loved about Obsidian is that number one, like you said, it's an independent ecosystem because I got trapped in Evernote. 23:01.395 --> 23:02.835 [SPEAKER_00]: I was using Evernote for years. 23:03.356 --> 23:04.896 [SPEAKER_00]: Then they were acquired by somebody. 23:04.916 --> 23:05.856 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember who it was. 23:05.876 --> 23:07.257 [SPEAKER_00]: Then their pricing structure changed. 23:07.277 --> 23:08.677 [SPEAKER_00]: Then it was for pop-up windows. 23:08.737 --> 23:10.577 [SPEAKER_00]: Get to any of your nose and I'm out. 23:11.157 --> 23:12.858 [SPEAKER_00]: And if Sidney and it's just, here. 23:13.882 --> 23:33.059 [SPEAKER_00]: Simple right point me to a folder there's the folder of all these text files great so to me number one it's so super simple But with this simplicity comes an infinite amount of complexity because it's not well here's how notion Organizes these and it's got to be linked this way or aeronaut uses this format basically if you can think it with obsidian you can do it 23:33.659 --> 23:40.266 [SPEAKER_00]: which one of the reasons that I love about I think the more important reason that I love it is the serendipity that you just mentioned. 23:40.706 --> 23:52.578 [SPEAKER_00]: For years and years as a podcast host I was doing everything with Google Docs, which is here's a Google document this has the bio of my gas and let me take some notes from their books and maybe watch a podcast or two and take some notes and that was it. 23:52.598 --> 23:54.040 [SPEAKER_00]: It just lived as a document, right? 23:54.900 --> 24:18.519 [SPEAKER_00]: But I didn't start using obsidian for my podcast interviews until after I started working with you when I was doing the summit a year and a half ago Now the entire ecosystem is in here and I'm constantly linking between here's a note that I have for this book for this guest But I haven't this tagged his mentorship and I could talk about mentorship with Angela Duckworth

wait Angela Duckworth She has an article in the New York Times wait a second Dana Suss can handle article. 24:18.539 --> 24:21.441 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just it's this endless like wait I could talk about this. 24:21.521 --> 24:22.482 [SPEAKER_00]: I could talk about that 24:23.022 --> 24:28.645 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm having much, much richer conversations with people because of the notes that are in front of me that are linked together. 24:30.366 --> 24:30.866 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. 24:31.447 --> 24:33.628 [SPEAKER_01]: That is some of the beauty of, of length notes. 24:33.668 --> 24:40.151 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of hard because those of us who have experienced it will wax poetically about it for a long time. 24:40.892 --> 24:42.993 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, those that haven't are like. 24:44.462 --> 24:46.523 [SPEAKER_01]: what I just, what aren't they just notes? 24:47.183 --> 24:50.323 [SPEAKER_01]: That's like, but there's so much more, or they can. 24:50.643 --> 24:52.704 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just a new thinking environment. 24:52.884 --> 24:54.624 [SPEAKER_01]: It is really how I see it. 24:54.924 --> 24:56.424 [SPEAKER_01]: And we haven't had this before. 24:56.444 --> 24:58.345 [SPEAKER_01]: Now we have a new thinking environment. 24:58.365 --> 25:04.886 [SPEAKER_01]: What could that do for an individual who has a lot of ideas and deals with a lot of information? 25:05.266 --> 25:10.887 [SPEAKER_01]: What if you had a new thinking environment, radically new, where it's not just based on folders, but it's based on links as well? 25:14.425 --> 25:29.227 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and to me, it kind of feels like a cheat code where once you really start to link all these pieces together and like I said, I'm not brave enough to show my actual obsidian vault, especially like what like showing it to the master you'd be like, oh, dear Lord, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 25:29.427 --> 25:37.636 [SPEAKER_00]: And I wouldn't want the audience to see it anyways, but it kind of feels like a cheat code because it makes you feel so much smarter because it's so much easier to access relevant information. 25:37.676 --> 25:39.438 [SPEAKER_00]: Not just here's everything on the internet. 25:39.478 --> 25:42.662 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the 80 page report that the chat bots spit out. 25:43.002 --> 25:49.009 [SPEAKER_00]: It's here's what IDM relevant and I can link it based on my own tags, my own ideas, my own folders. 25:49.509 --> 25:53.754 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's to me it's so much more powerful than just like a general second brain. 25:54.155 --> 26:02.264 [SPEAKER_00]: I know that you built a strong relationship with Thiago Forte, and I know that he's really embraced this world of Obsidian, you've even

converted him. 26:02.685 --> 26:09.233 [SPEAKER_00]: But to me this is such a deeper, more effective version of a second brain than what we used to consider a second brain years ago. 26:11.032 --> 26:14.415 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that it just depends what people will use the second brain term with. 26:15.356 --> 26:17.658 [SPEAKER_01]: It just gets kind of comandiered for different purposes. 26:17.798 --> 26:24.344 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was kind of a project management information management workflow that was before the time of links. 26:24.384 --> 26:28.767 [SPEAKER_01]: Then when AI came around people have been using it as a repository for all this information. 26:29.568 --> 26:31.990 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think in those those use cases are fine. 26:32.250 --> 26:32.511 [SPEAKER_01]: I think. 26:33.732 --> 26:40.804 [SPEAKER_01]: There's also this use case that I'm more focused on and that's the personal development of 26:41.832 --> 26:55.582 [SPEAKER_01]: knowledge and understanding, and it's not all project-based, or if it is, it's in their projects of unclear scope and scale, where you change one thing here, and it changes a multitude of things there. 26:55.622 --> 26:56.602 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't plan for that. 26:56.622 --> 26:58.464 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't make a task list for all this stuff. 26:58.564 --> 27:05.909 [SPEAKER_01]: They're immediately out of date, so anyways, this is a way to really think in powerful ways. 27:05.949 --> 27:09.651 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I prefer a different framing for it and call it an idea verse where ideas come 27:10.672 --> 27:12.333 [SPEAKER_01]: I've never said that before that phrase, just there. 27:12.574 --> 27:13.694 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's interesting. 27:13.895 --> 27:16.276 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you link in new thoughts on the fly. 27:16.757 --> 27:20.780 [SPEAKER_01]: But the last thing I want to say, and then I do, I want to, you know, hit your points. 27:20.840 --> 27:24.703 [SPEAKER_01]: But no, I mean, embrace, embrace the mess, though. 27:24.843 --> 27:25.984 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're, 27:27.215 --> 27:30.877 [SPEAKER_01]: The masters of knowledge management are not architectural masters. 27:32.097 --> 27:36.699 [SPEAKER_01]: If there is such a thing as knowledge management masters, even that is debatable. 27:37.019 --> 27:42.001 [SPEAKER_01]: But like my place is plenty messy, my idea versus it's, so there's the architect and us. 27:42.041 --> 27:43.722 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's the gardener and us. 27:43.922 --> 27:46.984 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're just in this Yen and Yen constant balance. 27:47.004 --> 27:47.424 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully. 27:47.944 --> 27:51.471 [SPEAKER_01]: because if we over architect, that's when we are like, oh, I'll design everything from scratch. 27:51.491 --> 27:53.995 [SPEAKER_01]: And we spend two days on just folder structure. 27:54.015 --> 27:55.638 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, no, you can't do that. 27:55.658 --> 27:57.081 [SPEAKER_01]: And like, you have

to, these things, 27:58.272 --> 28:00.133 [SPEAKER_01]: are earned through your use. 28:00.834 --> 28:02.335 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's no shortcut to that. 28:02.715 --> 28:09.500 [SPEAKER_01]: You can try a few structures, but I don't know about use act, but I've multiple times spent entire days thinking about my folders. 28:09.560 --> 28:13.003 [SPEAKER_01]: And just like, oh, did you have these other things that you wanted to do? 28:13.443 --> 28:14.284 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's fine. 28:14.384 --> 28:19.827 [SPEAKER_01]: If it's worth it, but at the end of the day, any work doesn't last. 28:19.908 --> 28:22.730 [SPEAKER_01]: It's building a sandcastle on the beach, because... Yeah. 28:23.673 --> 28:31.457 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if we have the time, I would just conduct a meeting of over-thinkers and anonymous, and you and I could work through all of our challenges of spending hours and hours over-thinking things. 28:32.538 --> 28:35.219 [SPEAKER_00]: But what I want to do now is I want to actually start getting into the weeds. 28:35.779 --> 28:45.705 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just going to go ahead on the fly, and I'm going to share the, I think this is beta version 0.6 according to my team. 28:45.765 --> 28:47.446 [SPEAKER_00]: Just going to start right off the bat. 28:48.226 --> 29:00.790 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of gaps, a lot of placeholders, a lot of things that need to be written, but I'm starting with this is if you've just opened up city and you have no personalizations, no themes, no colors, like here's the base level if you've never opened it. 29:01.490 --> 29:11.093 [SPEAKER_00]: And the idea here is that it's first made for humans, because there are a lot of people that I think this is useful for, that don't want things that are for the robots, but we're making it for both. 29:11.773 --> 29:15.678 [SPEAKER_00]: So the idea is that it just starts as the directory of all of the knowledge at this conference. 29:16.219 --> 29:16.479 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 29:16.499 --> 29:18.021 [SPEAKER_00]: So literally starts with a simple note. 29:18.461 --> 29:19.643 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's how it's sitting and works. 29:19.683 --> 29:21.385 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's how it gets to how to get started. 29:21.785 --> 29:27.853 [SPEAKER_00]: By the time somebody actually sees this as for thinking of the upgrading to the knowledge pass, trust me, this will be filled out and it won't say tutorial to come. 29:28.413 --> 29:34.396 [SPEAKER_00]: But essentially, you just started a very simple handwritten note, handwritten by a human, here's what this isn't here's how it works. 29:34.416 --> 29:44.260 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just going to kind of walk through it would be in the written version, which is first, there's going to be a few basic tutorials written tutorials, the basics of using Obsidian, how the vault is organized. 29:44.740 --> 29:48.642 [SPEAKER_00]: If you only want to use this yourself as a human, here's how you get the most out of the vault. 29:49.283 --> 29:52.144 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to use the robots, here's how the robots can use it. 29:52.344 --> 29:53.344 [SPEAKER_00]: And then here's some basic 29:54.885 --> 30:02.568 [SPEAKER_00]: But to me, where I think so much of the value is, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but to me, the value starts with all of the conversations. 30:02.628 --> 30:09.330 [SPEAKER_00]: So anybody that's going along with the conference, they can go and say, all right, day one, here's all the information about all the speakers. 30:09.390 --> 30:13.071 [SPEAKER_00]: So if we just start with our headline conversation, Adam Grant. 30:13.431 --> 30:15.352 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, all of this is going to be reworked. 30:15.392 --> 30:18.793 [SPEAKER_00]: This is all very, very basic and we're going to kind of rebuild the entire structure. 30:19.313 --> 30:23.957 [SPEAKER_00]: But essentially, you start with, here's a really important quote that kind of encapsulates our conversation. 30:24.017 --> 30:26.399 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's some basics about the speaker, right? 30:27.000 --> 30:30.182 [SPEAKER_00]: It kind of reads like, you know, to start with kind of like podcast show notes. 30:31.084 --> 30:33.044 [SPEAKER_00]: That's something that people are familiar with. 30:33.064 --> 30:33.985 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the basic show notes. 30:34.005 --> 30:34.925 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's some of the highlights. 30:34.945 --> 30:35.645 [SPEAKER_00]: You can link to them. 30:35.665 --> 30:36.845 [SPEAKER_00]: You can find them in the videos. 30:37.665 --> 30:44.847 [SPEAKER_00]: But to me, where this starts to get really interesting, and again, we're going to be going much deeper into linking all of these ideas to start with. 30:45.667 --> 30:57.169 [SPEAKER_00]: But what are the key themes that not only Adam and I talked about, but that relate to what other people talked about, and what are some of the relevant FAQs the people might have from this specific conversation? 30:58.338 --> 31:07.547 [SPEAKER_00]: And then if you go into once you get done looking at the note for the person, then you go into the key topics and ideas, now it's not even about the person anymore. 31:07.567 --> 31:10.489 [SPEAKER_00]: It's about the ideas and again, all this is very basic. 31:10.509 --> 31:12.792 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to flesh out these themes so they're much clearer. 31:12.852 --> 31:18.096 [SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of the robots doing their first dirty pass and we're going to get this a human pass to make it more dialed in. 31:18.857 --> 31:33.367 [SPEAKER_00]: But a very common theme that's come up over and over and over is we as creatives as artists and entrepreneurs we want to be seen we want our work to be seen right so that's a core concept to one of them would be introversion talk a lot about introversion 31:34.167 --> 31:50.982 [SPEAKER_00]: So you can go into a note about introversion, you get quotes with links from the different people whether it's Susan Kane, whether it's

Priyaparker, talking about these topics, and then going a little bit deeper into teaching about these topics, and then if you want to go right to the note of somebody talking about this book, now you're into this other speaker's note. 31:51.482 --> 31:56.905 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, again, here's the information about the author, here's a quote from that conversation here, the conversation highlights. 31:57.425 --> 32:13.915 [SPEAKER_00]: So it becomes this huge ecosystem that's basically a hyperlink rabbit hole like Wikipedia, but it's leading you based on not just here's the transcript here, the bullet point AI summaries, but you're kind of like going through as you would say this entire idea verse, like 32:14.735 --> 32:16.496 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even know they talked about this thing. 32:16.536 --> 32:19.419 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't have listened to this conversation with Erica Dewan. 32:19.459 --> 32:21.700 [SPEAKER_00]: If I hadn't seen this one noted or this one link. 32:21.740 --> 32:24.903 [SPEAKER_00]: So to me, it creates a much more enriching experience. 32:25.283 --> 32:28.986 [SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't feel like, oh, I got to sit through 15 hours of podcasts. 32:29.506 --> 32:31.307 [SPEAKER_00]: It's here's what I came to learn. 32:31.467 --> 32:34.169 [SPEAKER_00]: This is where I can learn it, but then through serendipity. 32:34.189 --> 32:35.931 [SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, I want to learn about this too. 32:35.991 --> 32:36.972 [SPEAKER_00]: And I want to learn about that. 32:37.772 --> 32:45.475 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's the basic idea here where we have all these key topics and ideas which again are going to look completely different and more fleshed out once this is ready. 32:45.955 --> 32:53.317 [SPEAKER_00]: But then in addition, if you just want to dig in and you have very specific FAQs, for example, you know, I want to start a gathering. 32:53.657 --> 32:57.799 [SPEAKER_00]: So would be, how do I get a, keep a relationship going after the first conversation? 32:57.859 --> 33:02.700 [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be some basic ideas and then it links to our people in their words saying, 33:07.402 --> 33:12.366 [SPEAKER_00]: So it goes a whole lot deeper in all of this, by the way, this is just for the humans. 33:13.808 --> 33:21.454 [SPEAKER_00]: All you have to do is go through here like you have your own private version of Wikipedia for this entire event for these 15 hours of conversations. 33:21.835 --> 33:24.116 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't even get into what you can actually do with the robots. 33:25.065 --> 33:43.441 [SPEAKER_00]: So what we're also building is we're going to have additional resources that have both the links to all of the books of our authors, but other reading, listening, viewing, podcast, you feel like, oh, I love the idea of human connection and specifically how it overlaps with ADHD, boom, go to the I have ADHD podcast. 33:44.062 --> 33:50.407 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's, again, it's kind of, it's helping you find the relevant information based on your goals based on your challenges. 33:51.588 --> 33:59.574 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, so that's the basic starting point is we're essentially creating Wikipedia for this event, and this is just the human version. 33:59.974 --> 34:06.799 [SPEAKER_00]: So before we talk about where I believe the robots can belong, and by the way, they don't have to, because I know people will be robot averse. 34:07.560 --> 34:14.085 [SPEAKER_00]: But if we just talk about the human version of this, you, you know, just full transparency, you had not seen this before our screen shared. 34:14.105 --> 34:16.687 [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted you to come in here to totally blank. 34:22.291 --> 34:24.492 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty impressed. 34:24.512 --> 34:26.554 [SPEAKER_01]: What I like is, start here page. 34:26.814 --> 34:27.975 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that we fleshed out. 34:28.616 --> 34:31.138 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the last thing that's done. 34:31.158 --> 34:32.299 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why it's here. 34:32.319 --> 34:34.120 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's the very last thing to do. 34:34.240 --> 34:36.842 [SPEAKER_00]: Once you know everything is, then you explain it in simple terms. 34:37.242 --> 34:40.685 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is literally last on my to-do list the day before we launch the conference. 34:40.705 --> 34:41.366 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's done. 34:42.026 --> 34:45.929 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's so important because it's like this little, hi, hello. 34:46.229 --> 34:49.011 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like some, you know, you get comfortable. 34:49.031 --> 34:56.856 [SPEAKER_01]: And so if you'd like to do this, click here and then, you know, having a few nice links, which is a, it's a wonderful feeling when that start here, page comes together. 34:56.896 --> 35:05.261 [SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that you're starting with it, that when someone opens their obsidian vault that that's the very first note that pops up, great. 35:06.282 --> 35:08.083 [SPEAKER_01]: then you're I agree with you. 35:08.403 --> 35:08.964 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 35:09.004 --> 35:09.724 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you use this fault? 35:09.744 --> 35:10.245 [SPEAKER_01]: That's important. 35:10.285 --> 35:10.945 [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you. 35:10.965 --> 35:11.746 [SPEAKER_00]: That zoom in for you. 35:12.246 --> 35:17.709 [SPEAKER_01]: The the conversations section is the most important. 35:17.789 --> 35:19.771 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess that is it most important. 35:19.871 --> 35:21.372 [SPEAKER_01]: It's where the raw resources are. 35:21.552 --> 35:22.733 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like where the raw of every. 35:22.753 --> 35:25.154 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the raw data that everything is built around. 35:25.174 --> 35:29.257 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be this entire revolt is built upon the transcripts of the conversations. 35:30.197 --> 35:34.380 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's this would be like the raw data, but us packaging the raw data in a way that's digestible. 35:34.910 --> 35:38.213

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that's absolutely valuable. 35:38.293 --> 35:39.935 [SPEAKER_01]: I like how it's broken up by day. 35:39.995 --> 35:40.735 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're learning. 35:40.976 --> 35:42.337 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, how can you break this up? 35:42.517 --> 35:43.438 [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't have to do that. 35:43.498 --> 35:48.923 [SPEAKER_01]: You could have, I mean, these are like little things that I'm thinking about, but you could have just kept them without any sub-pultures. 35:49.283 --> 35:51.826 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they're going to be organized alphabetically. 35:52.566 --> 35:54.088 [SPEAKER_01]: But how were they experienced? 35:54.108 --> 35:56.210 [SPEAKER_01]: They were experienced chronologically day by day. 35:56.570 --> 35:57.851 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how I do want to remember. 35:57.971 --> 35:58.972 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what you have here. 35:59.312 --> 36:00.894 [SPEAKER_01]: So my great, you know, which day was it? 36:01.014 --> 36:01.815 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're not too many. 36:01.915 --> 36:03.656 [SPEAKER_01]: So even if you can't remember, you popped down a few. 36:03.696 --> 36:16.848 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you see it in context with the other conversations of that day, which then like whatever's going to help establish rapid context, re-establish, I should say, is really important. 36:17.088 --> 36:17.228 [SPEAKER_01]: So 36:18.313 --> 36:22.114 [SPEAKER_01]: I like how that's put together, I don't have any notes on that part. 36:22.374 --> 36:24.815 [SPEAKER_00]: Keep in mind, all of these are still very much a work in progress. 36:25.635 --> 36:27.396 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, sure about this speaker. 36:27.916 --> 36:32.538 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so one thing that I would be wondering in... 36:34.197 --> 36:41.044 [SPEAKER_01]: is I'd want to know if any of these linked notes were a quote that he may have actually said. 36:41.805 --> 36:49.392 [SPEAKER_01]: I can tell that some likely aren't, they kind of have an AI feeling to them like the, if it was the message, there's just something AI about that. 36:49.713 --> 36:49.893 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 36:49.933 --> 36:51.194 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this is AI right now. 36:51.214 --> 36:52.535 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to give this the human touch. 36:52.555 --> 36:54.998 [SPEAKER_00]: This is just kind of the, that's how it's built the structure. 36:55.338 --> 36:55.778 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine. 36:56.579 --> 37:10.248 [SPEAKER_01]: And when it is given the human touch or even if AI is going through it, if one of those linked notes happened to be something that Adam actually said, or if AI is optimized to create notes that are actually quotes from the author, I like that even more. 37:10.388 --> 37:16.431 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not their interpretation, but it's like a direct quote from Adam, and I see the little quotes there. 37:17.192 --> 37:19.874 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm like, oh, that makes me actually 37:21.120 --> 37:34.064 [SPEAKER_01]: like that more because it's because it's not the AI interpretation but I'm like, that's Adam Grant material and that to me, I'm like, okay, I want to learn that more because that's straight from the source. 37:34.724 --> 37:35.604 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's a working progress. 37:35.624 --> 37:36.765 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying it's battering anything. 37:36.785 --> 37:43.447 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying like, that's something that I would like more because, yeah, it's just going to help me understand and learn more deeply. 37:43.607 --> 37:47.448 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me more context and I think it's what I'd want to optimize for. 37:51.189 --> 37:52.451 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what it's all about here. 37:52.611 --> 37:53.152 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like okay. 37:53.192 --> 38:08.431 [SPEAKER_01]: It's extract something that was said Like this is the the joy of you know, you're her link notes and let's act we can actually make notes like this We that's one important thing look how long you are probably wrong about how much people want to help you that can be a note title 38:09.232 --> 38:10.012 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it is. 38:10.072 --> 38:15.695 [SPEAKER_00]: So if I click on this, it will take you into a no with several people that are talking about this topic. 38:16.155 --> 38:23.619 [SPEAKER_00]: This is one of the core things is we think when we ask somebody we're going to bother them, but people are more than twice as likely to want to help us than we think they are. 38:23.919 --> 38:26.200 [SPEAKER_00]: And I talk about this with like four or five different people. 38:26.540 --> 38:27.861 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're like, oh, this is interesting. 38:27.981 --> 38:29.101 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Vanessa talks about it. 38:29.201 --> 38:30.382 [SPEAKER_00]: Adam talks about it, right? 38:30.702 --> 38:30.922 [SPEAKER_00]: Angela, 38:32.583 --> 38:32.823 [SPEAKER_00]: Right? 38:32.883 --> 38:35.824 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's actually bringing you into these worlds where you might think, eh? 38:36.284 --> 38:38.104 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I need to listen to Angela Duckworth. 38:38.144 --> 38:40.185 [SPEAKER_00]: PS, everybody needs to listen to Angela Duckworth. 38:40.225 --> 38:43.745 [SPEAKER_00]: But in this scenario, if you're like, you don't really know who Angela is, this is an interesting. 38:44.105 --> 38:48.086 [SPEAKER_00]: But if your problem is, I feel like nobody wants to help me and I don't want to bother them. 38:48.406 --> 38:51.447 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's the section where you do need to listen to Angela Duckworth. 38:51.467 --> 38:55.488 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the idea is bringing up all these topics and ideas you'd never find otherwise. 38:57.427 --> 39:05.330 [SPEAKER_01]: And this note is where it all comes alive because we're seeing Adam next to Angela right here on screen. 39:06.130 --> 39:11.112 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, yeah, I love this aspect and we see their exact quotes. 39:11.272 --> 39:11.973 [SPEAKER_01]: So important. 39:12.213 -->

39:18.535 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want, you know, I'm like, hey, if you paraphrase again, I'm gonna come to wherever your servers are in. 39:20.415 --> 39:33.166 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just joking, but it's just like this, this is what's helpful so we can get the the poor version of AI giving it context, but then we can see the exact quote and that's really what I'm after. 39:33.866 --> 39:38.270 [SPEAKER_01]: So then we have these key topics and where I'd love this. 39:38.290 --> 39:41.032 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think if I were, as I was getting familiar with this, 39:41.793 --> 39:58.792 [SPEAKER_01]: after I got familiar with you know start here how to use this fault number one number two the conversations I would then spend the majority of my time in key topics and ideas and just like okay where can this take me because that's where all the intersections are happening and how you know like how 39:59.938 --> 40:07.902 [SPEAKER_01]: I just love that idea, when a few years back I was researching just nonfiction books in general as I was starting to write my own. 40:08.482 --> 40:15.526 [SPEAKER_01]: And there are two people, two famous people in history that I was just looking through every book to see if they were mentioned in the index. 40:16.066 --> 40:17.707 [SPEAKER_01]: These two people were Charles Darwin. 40:19.008 --> 40:20.429 [SPEAKER_01]: And Mihai Jixen Mihai. 40:20.789 --> 40:22.289 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no, for the concept of flow. 40:22.510 --> 40:25.211 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'd go through all these books, like range by David Epstein. 40:25.691 --> 40:28.633 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'd just be like, hey, how's he mentioning? 40:29.671 --> 40:57.988 [SPEAKER_01]: Mihai's work and then compared to how somebody else is mentioning his work and then through all that I can triangulate and then because I'm so familiar with those two individuals myself their work I can understand the author so much better so those are my points of understanding the author's perspective like what do you have to say about Mihai and that's going to tell me so much about you I know it's not going to be like you know perfect but just in what are context your book is mentioning 40:59.569 --> 41:02.210 [SPEAKER_01]: because that's where I can really, you know, grow up what you're saying. 41:03.010 --> 41:03.731 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's number three. 41:03.751 --> 41:13.595 [SPEAKER_01]: I have an idea that I'm sure you've probably thought about our whole opinion over here, because I just want connection FAQs. 41:13.695 --> 41:16.576 [SPEAKER_01]: That's another one that's similar to number three with key topic. 41:16.976 --> 41:23.385 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the idea is that eventually the key topics and ideas would probably mirror what's here. 41:23.905 --> 41:27.310 [SPEAKER_00]: This would be more theoretical, deeper ideas. 41:27.330 --> 41:30.935 [SPEAKER_00]: This would literally be framed in the form of if this were an FAQ base. 41:31.435 --> 41:33.879 [SPEAKER_00]: What is the

exact question that you would be asking? 41:34.199 --> 41:36.581 [SPEAKER_00]: How do I provide value in an outreach email? 41:36.901 --> 41:39.363 [SPEAKER_00]: How do I ask somebody something with a bothering them? 41:39.803 --> 41:45.128 [SPEAKER_00]: Whereas these similar key topics and ideas here, they go deeper into the theory, they link to the pew. 41:45.168 --> 41:53.194 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm trying to differentiate where this is the FAQs are partly for the humans, but as I'm sure you know, they're also partly for the robots. 41:54.515 --> 41:55.516 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely. 41:56.036 --> 41:59.699 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so I mean, you'd be really knocked out of the park. 41:59.739 --> 42:02.301 [SPEAKER_01]: There's in anything where I'm like, oh, he's missing that or this. 42:03.628 --> 42:31.995 [SPEAKER_01]: the what I would be curious about myself as I use this in when it's fully unleashed and unveiled is I would I'd look at number six there my notes and I'd be looking for prompts from you I'd be thinking about prompts myself about it like how can I convert this information into my own words not to improve it but to internalize it yeah and so what would I do I would look at 42:33.291 --> 42:40.053 [SPEAKER_01]: with the agents, what I would try to, okay, if there was a prompt that said, what are you trying to learn where you're trying to accomplish? 42:40.073 --> 42:45.555 [SPEAKER_01]: These are the bad versions, but eventually get to something where I'm like, I'm looking for X, Y, and Z. 42:46.295 --> 42:49.216 [SPEAKER_01]: And then that becomes a new key topic or idea. 42:49.736 --> 43:00.700 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I say, hey, I can you through all those conversations, create a note on my behalf that is looking at this key topic or idea for me. 43:01.975 --> 43:08.658 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, please leave a section at the top for prompts for me to fill out, like answers to the questions. 43:08.758 --> 43:18.123 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe how I feel about something, what resonates, what doesn't, how I might be able to apply this to projects and efforts in my own life. 43:20.037 --> 43:29.540 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that is where I would having downloaded and looked at this and listened to some of the live conversations and I couldn't make some of them, but I have everything here. 43:30.160 --> 43:33.181 [SPEAKER_01]: Then that's what I'd want to do, and I think that'd be really fun. 43:33.401 --> 43:38.242 [SPEAKER_01]: One, it's like it's kind of cool when someone's in the kitchen and they bring out a dish for you. 43:38.302 --> 43:40.443 [SPEAKER_01]: And in this case, AI's bringing out this note. 43:40.903 --> 43:41.763 [SPEAKER_01]: Now that's cool. 43:42.918 --> 43:50.020 [SPEAKER_01]: But then the novelty will wear off because those aren't your words, those are, no, so like, how do I make that? 43:50.080 --> 43:51.240 [SPEAKER_01]: How do I internalize them? 43:51.620 --> 43:56.641 [SPEAKER_01]: And so am I thinking about how can I,

one, I want the topic to be super interesting and specific to me. 43:56.681 --> 43:58.942 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why I'm asking the question of like, okay, what would it be? 43:59.422 --> 44:03.723 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I get the dish back, but then it's like, okay, two, now how can I engage with that? 44:04.363 --> 44:06.023 [SPEAKER_01]: And start like typing myself. 44:06.223 --> 44:09.644 [SPEAKER_01]: And hopefully that would lead to me creating my own, 44:13.666 --> 44:18.529 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you just like we saw on the key topics and ideas with those really, sometimes long, notes. 44:19.330 --> 44:20.550 [SPEAKER_01]: And hey, we have permission. 44:20.570 --> 44:24.413 [SPEAKER_01]: We can make a note quite long before the file system says, it can't go any longer. 44:25.074 --> 44:39.444 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would just say, okay, how can I make this some phrased word that I will remember because it's so sticky, it's so striking that the ancients in Greece and Rome would applaud because they'd be like, that will stick in your memory palace. 44:39.544 --> 44:40.545 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I be aiming for. 44:41.572 --> 44:52.899 [SPEAKER_00]: I love that and that's definitely something that we haven't implemented yet, but there's two things that I want to point to, another which I can literally point to, one of which is the we're going to have static study guys. 44:52.939 --> 45:06.146 [SPEAKER_00]: So for each conversation, if you're like, all right, so I'm going to hit the play button, open this note, it's got a few prompts like, you know, what water your thoughts on this thing or whatever it might be, clearly I'm so good at writing prompts. 45:06.186 --> 45:07.827 [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be better than that everybody I promise. 45:08.607 --> 45:13.011 [SPEAKER_00]: But essentially, there's going to be a study guide that is static that goes along with the interviews. 45:13.451 --> 45:20.116 [SPEAKER_00]: But then we're going to build a secretic tutor so that if you point AI to this, it will ask you a series of questions. 45:20.176 --> 45:21.477 [SPEAKER_00]: It'll say, you know, why? 45:21.777 --> 45:24.819 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, this is off the top of my head because my team and I are still developing it. 45:24.859 --> 45:31.284 [SPEAKER_00]: But the simplest version, kind of the bad version is, tell us more about why you wanted to participate in this conference. 45:31.604 --> 45:31.764 [SPEAKER_00]: Right? 45:31.784 --> 45:33.726 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you want to learn about human connection? 45:34.146 --> 45:36.488 [SPEAKER_00]: What specifically are your career goals? 45:37.028 --> 45:39.230 [SPEAKER_00]: Where might you be struggling with human connection? 45:39.270 --> 45:43.552 [SPEAKER_00]: At a somebody that's been through my program, you know all about my go-far framework, right? 45:43.652 --> 45:48.775 [SPEAKER_00]: First we start by identifying goals before we start talking about to do list and focusing our attention. 45:48.815 -->

45:50.336 [SPEAKER_00]: We have to identify the obstacles. 45:50.376 --> 45:53.658 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you said, you know, I really, I really need a mentor. 45:53.698 --> 45:56.620 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to transition to, you know, a new career path. 45:56.660 --> 45:57.781 [SPEAKER_00]: I really need a mentor. 45:58.181 --> 46:00.843 [SPEAKER_00]: But my challenge is that I don't know where to find mentors. 46:00.863 --> 46:04.386 [SPEAKER_00]: I also have no idea, well, how do I ask somebody for something? 46:04.426 --> 46:06.628 [SPEAKER_00]: How do I not bother them and not reach email? 46:07.089 --> 46:17.417 [SPEAKER_00]: It would say, well, based on this career path and based on where you're stuck, why don't you start with this interview and in fact, here you go, here are a few question prompts for you to think about while you're watching the interview. 46:17.938 --> 46:25.364 [SPEAKER_00]: So you can create your own customized experience for this entire conference with basically an AI concierge by your side the whole time. 46:26.440 --> 46:27.061 [SPEAKER_01]: So I love that. 46:27.441 --> 46:29.663 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it, yeah. 46:29.843 --> 46:31.864 [SPEAKER_01]: And that seems, it's really neat. 46:32.144 --> 46:32.965 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that'll be great. 46:33.265 --> 46:41.872 [SPEAKER_01]: And I see, I get excited about that because I can see it'll, it'll transcend this particular conference. 46:42.112 --> 46:53.081 [SPEAKER_01]: And we can take best practices to say, what made that so-cratic tutor come alive and it's probably some sort of skill, or set of skills that then can transfer to different. 46:54.021 --> 46:59.465 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know what we call these like the knowledge base, basically a specific knowledge base, and it's just like, okay. 46:59.745 --> 47:03.768 [SPEAKER_01]: That's, let's, you know, add the concierge skill or agent. 47:04.269 --> 47:08.632 [SPEAKER_01]: And then suddenly it's like, wow, like this is, um, this is pretty great. 47:09.372 --> 47:14.316 [SPEAKER_01]: And, um, by answering those questions, we are starting to engage with that material. 47:14.636 --> 47:16.998 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not just, um, a one way. 47:18.399 --> 47:28.346 [SPEAKER_01]: conversation with information coming this way, but the faster that we can start interacting with it, the better that we're going to internalize and make sense of the parts of it that matter. 47:29.026 --> 47:29.867 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. 47:30.227 --> 47:38.914 [SPEAKER_00]: So now what we're going to look at is the shitty version of how you can interact between the robots and the knowledge base. 47:38.974 --> 47:40.715 [SPEAKER_00]: This was without us installing skills. 47:40.775 --> 47:45.018 [SPEAKER_00]: This is me literally saying, Chad, CBT work, here's the folder director. 47:45.138 --> 47:48.179 [SPEAKER_00]: So I've just created a project where, in work, there are no skills. 47:48.259 --> 47:55.781 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not saying,

you know, understand this entire of all creating the me file, like we've learned and stole and a lot from your ideas. 47:55.841 --> 47:58.721 [SPEAKER_00]: So, and obviously say that in the best way possible. 47:58.741 --> 47:59.241 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 47:59.281 --> 48:04.923 [SPEAKER_00]: But most of the third layer, I don't want to explain it because I'm going to explain it incorrectly. 48:05.423 --> 48:05.603 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 48:05.683 --> 48:09.845 [SPEAKER_00]: What's the the briefest simplest version of like the three layers, the three concentric circles? 48:09.885 --> 48:10.246 [SPEAKER_01]: What's that? 48:10.266 --> 48:19.751 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you submit the middle circle, or your notes, your knowledge, the outer circle, or any of the AI tools out there, their diamond doesn't, the middle layer is the translation layer. 48:19.891 --> 48:24.814 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you tell that AI tool to work with your inner layer where the notes are? 48:25.538 --> 48:26.680 [SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be way better. 48:26.720 --> 48:28.863 [SPEAKER_00]: I know you've got a whole bunch of tools here. 48:28.903 --> 48:31.867 [SPEAKER_00]: I just this is literally that I have no idea what I'm doing. 48:31.927 --> 48:34.311 [SPEAKER_00]: The skills aren't in how am I supposed to use this vault. 48:34.331 --> 48:39.018 [SPEAKER_00]: I want people to see how easy this is all I did was I clicked on the button that says show me the folder. 48:39.458 --> 48:39.859 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. 48:40.600 --> 48:40.840 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 48:40.880 --> 48:42.001 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's how easy it was. 48:42.041 --> 48:44.944 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is a folder directory that literally lives on my finder. 48:45.084 --> 48:49.147 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just folders and text files for anybody that doesn't know it could not be any simpler. 48:49.467 --> 48:49.727 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 48:50.308 --> 48:53.290 [SPEAKER_01]: So what what I like about this is that you're using GPT work. 48:53.851 --> 48:55.152 [SPEAKER_01]: I could use cloud co-work. 48:55.732 --> 48:56.673 [SPEAKER_01]: And we could have that. 48:57.053 --> 49:02.197 [SPEAKER_01]: This is this is the power when you use a program, like obsidian that can read the files on your computer. 49:03.278 --> 49:05.079 [SPEAKER_01]: guess what else can read the files on your computer. 49:05.279 --> 49:06.679 [SPEAKER_01]: These AI applications. 49:07.980 --> 49:18.004 [SPEAKER_01]: On your terms, you can say only this subfolder, or whatever a person feels comfortable with, but or why not point at these random conversations that are not personal data to you? 49:18.404 --> 49:18.885 [SPEAKER_01]: Like why not? 49:18.905 --> 49:21.045 [SPEAKER_01]: This is great, you know, like I love what you're providing. 49:21.506 --> 49:27.908 [SPEAKER_01]: Zach, this is like your great testing ground for everyone playing sandbox essentially. 49:28.308 --> 49:30.089 [SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, like you said, it's that easy.

49:30.189 --> 49:30.609 [SPEAKER_01]: I could use a 49:32.190 --> 49:33.611 [SPEAKER_01]: I can look at the same set of notes. 49:33.791 --> 49:34.992 [SPEAKER_01]: I can ask similar questions. 49:35.012 --> 49:37.634 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll get some where responses is pretty cool. 49:38.315 --> 49:40.697 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is going to be the worst that's ever going to be. 49:40.737 --> 49:41.918 [SPEAKER_00]: But I want to give it one test. 49:41.978 --> 49:42.918 [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't tested this. 49:42.979 --> 49:44.480 [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's watching this on the fly. 49:44.940 --> 49:46.121 [SPEAKER_00]: It could be massive failure. 49:46.561 --> 49:53.767 [SPEAKER_00]: But I want to say I only have three hours to watch three interviews at this conference. 49:54.588 --> 49:59.431 [SPEAKER_00]: I really struggle without reach and asking people for things. 50:02.845 --> 50:10.726 [SPEAKER_00]: Which three interviews should I watch in what order and why? 50:10.746 --> 50:13.387 [SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea what this is going to say. 50:15.207 --> 50:21.688 [SPEAKER_00]: But I just, I want people to understand how powerful this can be for somebody that really wants to build their own experience. 50:21.788 --> 50:23.989 [SPEAKER_00]: Assuming this doesn't come out as complete crap. 50:24.389 --> 50:27.109 [SPEAKER_00]: But like I said, we're gonna show our work on the fly and we're gonna see what it says. 50:28.510 --> 50:30.550 [SPEAKER_00]: I know the playlists that I would put together. 50:32.320 --> 50:36.043 [SPEAKER_01]: And what I like about this, too, is that it's a specific knowledge. 50:36.143 --> 50:36.984 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not the internet. 50:37.544 --> 50:39.967 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not just this vast, closed LLM. 50:40.507 --> 50:40.807 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 50:41.448 --> 50:45.731 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's how, you know, it's not random data. 50:46.012 --> 50:49.875 [SPEAKER_01]: It's specific data, and that can get us specific answers. 50:50.536 --> 50:57.061 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and for anybody that's nerding out, yes, this is the paid version right now, at least as of this recording I'm using the best version, which is 51:00.104 --> 51:02.245 [SPEAKER_00]: literally this is exactly what I would have picked out. 51:02.465 --> 51:07.808 [SPEAKER_00]: I would have said the most important one is Vanessa Bonds, the second would be Adam III would be Angela. 51:08.188 --> 51:18.554 [SPEAKER_00]: And what I love about this and this is something that I've experimented with, a building an agent specifically to help people with research for their outreach where it says, here's the amount of time that I have to research this person. 51:19.034 --> 51:23.737 [SPEAKER_00]: What should I be doing if this is the amount of time that I have and it'll say if you've only got three hours, I wouldn't 51:23.997 --> 51:25.237 [SPEAKER_00]: Listen to this podcast. 51:25.277 --> 51:29.778 [SPEAKER_00]: I would watch this because that will give you a reason to reach out based on why you're connected to them. 51:30.058 --> 51:32.799 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not a part of this package, but I'm developing it for my students. 51:33.379 --> 51:36.840 [SPEAKER_00]: But essentially what it's done with the worst version of this it's ever going to be. 51:37.440 --> 51:38.980 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it said, here's the order. 51:39.240 --> 51:41.801 [SPEAKER_00]: First Vanessa, then Adam, then Angela. 51:41.881 --> 51:43.981 [SPEAKER_00]: This is how long it's going to take you and here's why. 51:45.221 --> 51:46.422 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is the worst it's going to be. 51:46.522 --> 51:47.822 [SPEAKER_00]: This is exactly what I wanted. 51:48.375 --> 51:49.495 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's fantastic. 51:49.575 --> 51:54.216 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it has a little paragraph under each one and whites, and just eating it. 51:54.877 --> 51:56.257 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a disagreement. 51:56.277 --> 51:57.477 [SPEAKER_01]: So my eyes always go to that. 51:57.517 --> 51:58.678 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, ooh, that's juicy. 51:58.698 --> 51:59.358 [SPEAKER_01]: That's drama. 51:59.778 --> 52:03.859 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where I'm going to initially be able to plant context around. 52:04.379 --> 52:05.799 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what is this disagreement? 52:05.819 --> 52:08.320 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'll go back up and read the descriptions. 52:08.880 --> 52:14.668 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so that's like I said, this is the bad beta version recorded weeks in advance of the conference. 52:14.688 --> 52:18.694 [SPEAKER_00]: So anybody that is watching this, it's only going to be significantly better than what you saw. 52:19.315 --> 52:25.003 [SPEAKER_00]: But to me, it was really important that people understand what this is because this concept is completely brand new. 52:26.264 --> 52:29.585 [SPEAKER_00]: Any time that I've mentioned to them, we're building this for the conference, like I don't get it. 52:29.705 --> 52:30.045 [SPEAKER_00]: What is it? 52:30.065 --> 52:32.145 [SPEAKER_00]: And even when I describe it, like I still don't get it. 52:32.225 --> 52:37.607 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I screen share and after like two minutes, they're like, oh my god, like, I need this. 52:38.627 --> 52:41.527 [SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted people to visually understand how to approach this. 52:42.668 --> 52:46.869 [SPEAKER_00]: And I realized that we're up against time, so I don't want to take too much more of your time. 52:46.909 --> 52:50.489 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think for me, the one most important question that 52:53.110 --> 53:04.800 [SPEAKER_00]: was and you've talked about this before in, I think you've said it in a conversation with Tiago and you've said it elsewhere, which is that if you were to, let's say you just have a whole bunch of crap on your desktop. 53:05.321 --> 53:11.526 [SPEAKER_00]: You've got folders and you've got files and it's a big mess of stuff and you say robots clean this up. 53:11.886 --> 53:17.511 [SPEAKER_00]:

It would be like if you had a really messy house or really messy causes and you said robots clean this up, you'd be like, 53:18.372 --> 53:19.213 [SPEAKER_00]: Where's my stuff? 53:19.814 --> 53:20.955 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't find my stuff. 53:21.595 --> 53:30.264 [SPEAKER_00]: So to me it's really important that we find the sweet spot between we've created a great ecosystem versus you got to put in the work to get the most out of this. 53:30.364 --> 53:40.735 [SPEAKER_00]: So what is the sweet spot for us to build something that makes this easier, but that also makes it harder such that it's the effort that leads to the learning and the connecting of the ideas. 53:40.775 --> 53:41.276 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's 53:41.616 --> 53:50.018 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the one piece that I want to make sure we get right so we're not doing all the work we're eliminating the bad friction, but we're creating the good friction so learning and implementation happen. 53:50.639 --> 54:06.243 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I think you're finding if you're striking that balance and the reason is because we're where this whole thing is starting from in both situations without an idea 54:11.330 --> 54:13.472 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyone who comes to it is starting from the same place. 54:13.492 --> 54:14.993 [SPEAKER_01]: They have not touched this information. 54:15.573 --> 54:21.057 [SPEAKER_01]: So it is already, they're not connected to any of it in any way. 54:21.458 --> 54:31.365 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is a way to kind of like a multi-sensory experience, a two-year-old adventure for how you can experience this. 54:32.046 --> 54:37.070 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think, as far as making the on-ramp work, stoking curiosity, 54:38.218 --> 54:50.803 [SPEAKER_01]: in the start here page where it's like, okay, you can go through the GoFar framework, Concierge, click here, and then you know it's going to start a process and or tell you what to do. 54:51.663 --> 54:54.364 [SPEAKER_01]: Great, like that's maybe the preferred method. 54:55.323 --> 54:58.245 [SPEAKER_01]: There will be people who don't want to do that. 54:58.825 --> 55:02.447 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's, okay, fine, go explore as you will. 55:03.228 --> 55:08.972 [SPEAKER_01]: You might want to wander over to some of the key topics that already do some compiling for you. 55:09.272 --> 55:12.394 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's sort of like, I won't call that go far approach. 55:13.034 --> 55:15.858 [SPEAKER_01]: The architect approach it is, and it's kind of like this middle ground is perfect. 55:16.119 --> 55:22.908 [SPEAKER_01]: But the other approach is more gardener for sure, which is just like wander around and see where it takes you. 55:23.469 --> 55:28.095 [SPEAKER_01]: And then after you've built up some random context. 55:28.876 --> 55:29.937 [SPEAKER_01]: Then come back here. 55:30.418 --> 55:37.523 [SPEAKER_01]: Now go into the go far because that curiosity will likely have fueled some more enthusiasm for the material. 55:38.244 --> 55:40.806 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that's I think there's a bit of curiosity. 55:40.966 --> 55:45.710 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a bit of stoking that so that it can fuel further enthusiasm. 55:46.170 --> 55:54.357 [SPEAKER_01]: The enthusiasm is going to come from a person finding some sort of alignment with from that content with whatever they're doing in their life. 55:55.628 --> 55:57.169 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I love the balance. 55:57.369 --> 55:58.789 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to go through it. 55:59.250 --> 56:01.831 [SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't feel overly complex. 56:02.831 --> 56:05.593 [SPEAKER_01]: It works whether or not you want to incorporate AI. 56:06.273 --> 56:06.873 [SPEAKER_01]: I like that too. 56:07.614 --> 56:10.535 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, any question? 56:10.575 --> 56:12.476 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, how does that sound to use that? 56:13.177 --> 56:40.893 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, first of all, that sounds amazing because one of the things we didn't really get to is kind of this 180 degree shift of where the mentor became the mentee and that at one point I was your mentor and now it's completely shifted your my mentor and I've spent so much time consuming all of your content so for somebody that I really appreciate an admirer that I think is just created this entire world from nothing to you know get your gold star seal of approval like yeah, like 56:41.253 --> 56:42.194 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the simplest version. 56:42.214 --> 56:42.854 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like cool. 56:42.914 --> 56:45.896 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, because I also know you'd be honest and be like, yeah, I don't know. 56:45.916 --> 56:46.716 [SPEAKER_00]: This doesn't make sense. 56:46.756 --> 56:47.276 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd fix this. 56:47.296 --> 56:50.458 [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel very good that I'm on the right track. 56:50.498 --> 56:50.858 [SPEAKER_00]: For sure. 56:51.338 --> 57:05.546 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that this is essentially going to tease where we're going next, both for myself and for anybody else that says, but wait, now I have so many questions could because this is my shameless self promotion portion of the program where I say, 57:09.228 --> 57:15.189 [SPEAKER_00]: for the conference for anybody that has either the community pass or the knowledge pass, they can come do a 90 minute Q&A. 57:15.549 --> 57:18.170 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be you and Alex Waikowski together. 57:18.210 --> 57:23.371 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to take these two overlapping band diagrams of the analog world and the digital world. 57:23.451 --> 57:27.832 [SPEAKER_00]: And I love the conversation with Alex and I cannot wait to see the serendipity that happens. 57:27.852 --> 57:31.593 [SPEAKER_00]: When I put the two of you in the same space, especially knowing you guys know each other. 57:32.253 --> 57:37.617 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's going to be really cool to bring you guys together, but for anybody that's thinking, I have so many questions, how can I

implement this? 57:37.677 --> 57:38.678 [SPEAKER_00]: How can I customize it? 57:39.518 --> 57:47.704 [SPEAKER_00]: This is your opportunity to say, yes, I want to join with a community pass or the knowledge pass, so you can ask Nick, yourself, because I still have so many questions. 57:48.225 --> 57:56.270 [SPEAKER_00]: The other thing that I think we might touch upon briefly is because this entire event is all about connections in building community, 57:57.211 --> 58:16.911 [SPEAKER_00]: questions that specifically content creators or entrepreneurs might have about how the hell did you build the universe that you did with all of the subscribers and all the followers like you've built an entire industry around yourself so for anybody that's curious how you did that and how you build the community and connected with people we might get into that as well. 58:17.011 --> 58:17.111 [SPEAKER_00]: But 58:17.892 --> 58:19.594 [SPEAKER_00]: don't have the time to do any of that today. 58:19.614 --> 58:28.605 [SPEAKER_00]: If I want to be respectful of your time, knowing that you are deep, deep in the throes of delivering a manuscript and that you heard all means a lot to me. 58:28.705 --> 58:32.850 [SPEAKER_00]: So having said that, is there anything else that you want to add? 58:32.890 --> 58:34.592 [SPEAKER_00]: Knowing there's going to be a part two very soon. 58:35.888 --> 58:37.029 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think that covers it. 58:37.069 --> 58:40.491 [SPEAKER_01]: I am so happy with what, I mean, I'm excited about what you showed. 58:40.871 --> 58:43.613 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited, I think it's at the right level. 58:44.094 --> 58:48.877 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not too advanced and it's a great on-ramp, on-ramp even if someone's a beginner. 58:49.477 --> 58:51.439 [SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, I'm excited to be a part of that. 58:51.639 --> 58:56.142 [SPEAKER_01]: Have that future conversation too, with Alex and you, and just see where it all goes. 58:56.982 --> 59:04.591 [SPEAKER_00]: Awesome, well, I'm going to make sure that everybody can find you your website, your YouTube, all of your resources, your linking, your thinking, linking your AI. 59:04.611 --> 59:07.594 [SPEAKER_00]: There's so many amazing things that you've brought out into the world. 59:07.634 --> 59:11.799 [SPEAKER_00]: But what I ask every single one of my guests at the end is how can people connect with you? 59:13.587 --> 59:17.790 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, with me, I would say, join my newsletter. 59:17.950 --> 59:21.553 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, linkingyourthinking.com, you can find on YouTube. 59:21.593 --> 59:23.114 [SPEAKER_01]: That's where you'll see me a lot. 59:23.414 --> 59:26.916 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'll always have something where I'm like, hey, to learn more, you know, do this thing. 59:27.657 --> 59:28.497 [SPEAKER_01]: Get on my newsletter. 59:28.677 --> 59:36.983 [SPEAKER_01]: I've sent it out every week, except this past one, due to the big book that I'm learning for Simon Shustry. 59:37.003 --> 59:37.784 [SPEAKER_01]: Finally, Mr. Week. 59:38.484 --> 59:38.944 [SPEAKER_01]: It happened. 59:38.965 --> 59:40.666 [SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing that you did every week. 59:40.706 --> 59:43.368 [SPEAKER_00]: I have not been able to keep it just this year. 59:43.408 --> 59:44.689 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's impressive though. 59:45.290 --> 59:49.673 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, and that's where I try to get it as personal as possible as opinionated as possible. 59:50.253 --> 59:52.455 [SPEAKER_01]: And fully written by humans. 59:52.896 --> 59:54.477 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the best way. 59:54.989 --> 59:55.229 [SPEAKER_00]: Nice. 59:55.289 --> 01:00:00.652 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm very excited to bring everybody into our live Q&A conversation for anybody that's listening and time. 01:00:01.092 --> 01:00:10.897 [SPEAKER_00]: It is going to be, I believe Tuesday, the 20th Tuesday act over 20th at 12 30 p.m. Pacific time, all the information, go to the connection conference.com. 01:00:10.917 --> 01:00:14.178 [SPEAKER_00]: So Nick, cannot wait for the next conversation, but this was awesome. 01:00:14.198 --> 01:00:15.439 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for being here today. 01:00:15.739 --> 01:00:16.679 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, love being here, Zach. 01:00:16.899 --> 01:00:17.700 [SPEAKER_00]: Great talk with you.