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I remember this all taking place, like all the neighbors, every neighborhood, like doing this, all the blitz around the courthouse, you know, everything that was going on with that was a media circus. 00:01:54.159 --> 00:02:02.400 And I started realizing at this point, I was like in my second year of law school, I was like, the real trial takes place in the media in the public eye. 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:05.359 There's a trial in the courtroom, and there's a trial of public opinion. 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:08.400 And the power of the media during these trials is very strong. 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:21.840 I went back after law school and got my master's in entertainment business because I wanted to do the media side more than the law side because I saw how powerful it was and how much of an impact you can make with the media, especially during a high-profile court case. 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:30.879 So going into that, by the way, it's really weird, is I get Casey Anthony's CVS medication updates on my cell phone to this day. 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:37.680 For some reason, my number is attached to her CVS account, and I get her weird, like you're due for your flu vaccine. 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:42.719 Unless it's another Casey Anthony, but it's really weird considering how close she lived in proximity to my old house. 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:44.000 It's just strange. 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:46.080 That's new on me. 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:48.080 Yeah, and I get them like I got one yesterday. 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:48.800 It's weird. 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:57.199 Um, anyways, so the Lindsay Clancy trial, I see people comparing it to the Casey Anthony trial because these are mothers that killed their kids, and it's horrible. 00:02:57.680 --> 00:02:58.560 And win ape shit. 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:01.520 Yes, and they're claiming postpartum psychosis. 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:10.000 However, you know, if you pay attention to the trial, Lindsay Clancy was Googling things, um, seemed to have planned this out, sent her husband on errands. 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:12.479 Like there's so many, there's a lot going on there. 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:17.919 Now, I'm not going to get into all the details of this trial, but what I will say is that it isn't as black and white. 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:20.319 There's probably going to be a hung jury on this right now. 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:26.159 But the more disturbing thing about the trial isn't the fact that this woman did a horrible crime and killed her kids. 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:27.280 Of course, that is disturbing. 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:28.560 I mean, that's the most disturbing thing. 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:31.919 But something else is the public in the way they're reacting to this. 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:41.039 And all of these women who are coming out like making the TikToks, like saying Lindsay, and like joking about hurting their kids and joking about how they want to kill their kids. 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:42.639 Like, I'm really disturbed by that. 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:45.680 So, what do you think is going on with that aspect of this? 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:54.400 And why are women coming out now and behaving in these kind of like irredeemable ways when it comes to this trial in particular? 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:56.560 Nobody was really doing that for Casey Anthony. 00:03:56.639 --> 00:04:02.960 They weren't saying, same Casey, like, why are they doing it now to this woman who snapped and like killed her three kids? 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:06.560 I was told I couldn't make any sexist jokes. 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:09.840 Well, I want to have an honest discussion. 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:13.439 I want to know, like, why what do you think about this? 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:23.120 Well, see, the the thing is, I and not just as a man, but just as a person, I just haven't paid much attention to it. 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:24.399 Why? 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:37.040 Because this is gonna go on for a long time, and there's gonna be a lot of information still being sorted out, and I usually just wait to back cleanup at the end on these kinds of things. 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:38.879 Okay. 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:54.399 Well, some people would say that what's going on with this trial is showing a type of female behavior that is very toxic, a toxic femininity, if you will, which I think we need to acknowledge that it does exist in these extreme cases. 00:04:54.639 --> 00:05:09.439 I consider myself a feminist who fights for women's rights, but I don't consider myself that kind of like crazy toxic feminist who would advocate for it understanding how someone could murder their children or understanding how people should, you know, like I don't know. 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:12.560 There's also something interesting about um court cases. 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:16.879 If you've ever paid attention to that Lorena Bobbitt case from like the 90s, I didn't. 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:20.000 Oh, she was abused, like she was abused. 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:21.759 Terrible things were happening to this woman. 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:32.959 And when she snapped, I you know, after hearing the details of the case, I already made jokes in the media, but she was being treated horrifically, and I can understand why someone snapped in that case. 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:36.879 Now, granted, that's this woman's kids were not abusing her. 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:38.879 These were little kids and like a baby and stuff. 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:40.000 Like, right, why? 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:41.439 What would possess someone? 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:45.360 Obviously, like something demonic or something very, very mentally wrong with them. 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:54.720 So I'm just perplexed as to why public opinion in this case is so supportive of someone who experienced psychotic behavior and committed murder. 00:05:55.040 --> 00:05:58.959 Well, it seems like on the women's side, they are

convinced that the man had something to do with it. 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:05.920 And I don't know if that's actually true based on information given or if that's just radical feminism at work, to be honest. 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:10.240 I'll probably get raked over the cold for saying that, but that's that's the impression I get. 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:16.720 From the limited information I have on this, which is probably what the public assumes, I do think that there's more to it with him. 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:18.000 I don't think he did it. 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:27.759 I think that he may have contributed to her psychosis and negligently, you know, did not treat her and did not help when he was asked for help and when she was clearly selling signs of stuff. 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:32.160 However, that doesn't equate to that's negligence, perhaps. 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:33.519 I don't think that's a crime. 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:38.160 Um, maybe more information will come out later, but he's not the one on trial, she is. 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:40.959 He's not the one who did the deed, she did. 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:44.560 And I think the trial is for her and not for him at this time. 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.279 We need to focus on the person that the trial's going on. 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:56.879 And by the way, speaking of trials and media blitz um and these toxic people, 30 years ago, my favorite rapper of all time, Tupac Shitor. 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:00.639 No, Tupac was killed. 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:13.519 I wrote a paper on this in high school, and here I am 30 years later, and I just want to say that the guy who did it, well, one of the people associated with it, not even the gunman, but somebody who had helped plan this was found guilty. 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:15.199 And that trial was all over the news. 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:20.560 If you paid attention to that, there's other people I think this guy snitched on himself in his like biography. 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:25.439 He was like writing books and bragging about like being a part of this hit, and that's so stupid. 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:33.519 What a what a dumb person to just brag about your crime like that, and then the defense attorney was just like not very good either. 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:35.120 That's just a mess of a show. 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:39.279 But I'm glad some justice has been served for Tupac 30 years later. 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:44.319 But that's completely being overshadowed by this by Lindsay Clancy, yes. 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:51.360 And now we're going into the Tyler Robinson case, the guy who killed Charlie Kirk, allegedly. 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:54.079 There's a lot there that people can unpack too. 00:07:54.240 --> 00:08:00.079 Um, today he actually was in court and he was trying to keep cameras out and get it so that the media couldn't be present. 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:08.240 Um, but the judge ordered just today that he would have to stay at trial and that media would be able to enter the courtroom and everything is probably going to be televised. 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:10.720 It's kind of one of the biggest trials like since the O.J. 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:11.439 Simpson trial. 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:12.800 Like, it's gonna be wild. 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:30.160 And, you know, these remind me of how important the media is and how much power they wield, but that is a double-edged sword because the media, just like Luigi, Luigi Magnoni, like the media can make a killer into a hero if they spin it a particular way. 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:37.600 They can martyr these criminals and make them have a cult following, like even Charles Manson, like that happened. 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:46.720 Like people worship Charles Manson, and you know, weird serial killers see things and they want to be them, and you never know who's out there watching and who emulates or models their behavior after these people. 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:52.960 Like, I had John Wayne's John Wayne Gacy's brain in a container, some other wannabe serial killer out there. 00:08:53.039 --> 00:09:00.559 Like, there's just so much weird crap going on, and we have to stomp that out when we see it happening. 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:03.759 We can't allow like evil criminal behavior to pass. 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:11.279 We can't allow toxic femininity, we can't allow toxic masculinity, we can't allow toxic psycho behavior to go. 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:13.039 Say something about it. 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:17.120 Don't tolerate people who like worship these freaks. 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:26.879 How much would you say that media influences the court of public opinion and thereby influences the outcome of these high-profile cases? 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:28.399 Massively. 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:30.879 Massively influences it. 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:34.480 People aren't really going to sit there and pay every single attention to the trial. 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:37.440 They might because there are a lot of true crime fans out there that go down this. 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:41.679 But right now, for every trial like this, there's 12 million podcasters talking about it. 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:57.440 You got Candace Owens talking about stuff, you got, you know, all these different people making shows about it and analyzing every little step of the way, which is great because on one hand it promotes transparency, but on the other hand, those people wield a power too, and you can get some very fervent followers all riled up. 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:02.799 You've got people like lining up to see Luigi Mannioni and like dressed up and trying to ride him in jail. 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:05.360 Like, there's just so much that goes into it. 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:10.639 And it's been like that for years and decades and decades, and it's not stopping. 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:14.639 So pay attention to the what the media says, don't believe everything

you say. 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:22.399 And if you see people getting all obsessed with it and getting all googly-eyed over some serial killers or some killers, you might want to stay away from this. 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:23.200 It's a red flag. 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:23.360 Yeah. 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:25.919 Yes, absolutely. 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:30.240 Yeah, what do you make of the uh jurors wearing pink and seeming support? 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:32.320 I don't know. 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:36.000 I didn't see that, but I see that's that's why I can't weigh in on it. 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:58.000 There's so, especially with the addition of social media, in addition to traditional media, there is so much information to try to digest that I I just like to see it to completion and then go over everything that's been laid out after the fact instead of trying to like I don't have the bandwidth and my algorithm's full of fishing videos and talking cats. 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:04.480 Well, there was also that Carmelo Anthony trial that people have very strong opinions about, and it was very, very divisive. 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:07.120 There was also That was a very flash in the pan one, too. 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:10.720 It got, you know, it was there, and then next thing. 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:18.320 Um, so I worked in Seminole County, Florida during the George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin trial, and that was also a big media circus. 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:20.559 Um, not as big as Casey Anthony, but it was up there. 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:25.600 That was probably the second biggest one I've physically witnessed in the same jurisdiction as the court was taking place. 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:31.759 And George Zimmerman ended up being a piece of crap and is still a piece of crap to this day, and still like trying to profit off of this. 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:39.919 But there were so many people all heated up in defending him for killing this boy, and people had very strong opinions about all of this too. 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:47.039 So it it really was my sign watching those two trials that like the media wields more power than the actual courtroom a lot of time. 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:54.960 Because once you're out of that courtroom environment, you still got to go on to the defendant, that is, will still have to go on to their everyday life and win or lose. 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:58.799 You could be out there and you could still be being raped over the coals. 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:04.960 Your professional reputation could be down, you could never ever go back to normal life because people will not forget what has occurred. 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:12.080 So you might be not found guilty, but doesn't mean that the court of public opinion is not finding you guilty and you will struggle from there on out. 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:14.080 And maybe that's the real justice of it all. 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:14.720 I don't know. 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:15.200 Yeah. 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:18.799 And then there's another one, uh, that that Horn Island incident. 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:22.799 I don't even remember the boy's name right now, but they're not even yeah. 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:23.519 Say it. 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:24.720 Nolan Wells and the United States. 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:25.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:25.600 That's it. 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:27.919 And they haven't even completed the investigation. 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:33.039 There's a lot of discrepancy even in the how they're conducting the investigation. 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:36.799 And Al Sharpton got involved and he's getting sued by the family. 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:40.240 I think if I have all that right, there's just so much to keep up with. 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:52.240 That it's hard to really be informed about it unless you're really one of those true crime obsessives that just stays on it on a daily basis, and I just am not that. 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:56.639 I feel like people used to be good at that. 00:12:56.720 --> 00:12:59.440 Like back in the day when cable was a thing and I had cable. 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:04.960 Watch like Nancy Grace and watch like those judge shows and like full trial coverage would be on like Fox News or whatever. 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:06.799 I feel like a lot of people don't have this is true. 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:08.639 Like, I feel like people don't have cable anymore. 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:15.679 We're just like moved away from that like constant cable age, and we're on the internet, we're on podcasts, and we're on like short YouTube clips or whatever. 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:21.679 So the assessment and the information is more limited than people that had nothing to do but like sit there and watch a trial all day. 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:24.080 So we gotta take that under consideration too. 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:24.960 Yeah. 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:27.679 Yeah, I guess that was uh that was it. 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:32.960 The media plays a big part on court cases that are taking place very publicly. 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:34.559 We're going to see more of them happening. 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:38.240 We've seen a lot in the past, and as we go forward, please pay attention to that. 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:43.679 Don't let the media influence you in such a strong way, and definitely don't worship criminals. 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:46.480 Please, people, quit worshiping these criminals. 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:47.519 Quit it. 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:48.879 Quit it. 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:52.159 And with that, that's all we have today. 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:54.320 Y'all have yourselves a blue bell country day. 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:55.600 We will see you next.