S9 "Evil By Design" E1: The Jane Does의 전체 녹취록

00:04:30.740 --> 00:04:35.360 private white sand beach. It's a place he'd named Nygaard Key. 76 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:40.490 The girl arrives to find a party. A kind of 77 00:04:40.550 --> 00:04:42.610 party Nygaard threw several nights a week. 78 00:04:44.490 --> 00:04:47.209 Yeah, we had dinner and all the people who were 79 00:04:47.230 --> 00:04:51.639 with me They were playing poker with Nygaard. I was 80 00:04:51.660 --> 00:04:57.240 just standing up, watching. After they were finished playing poker, 81 00:04:57.899 --> 00:05:00.600 he told me, let's go somewhere quiet so we can 82 00:05:00.620 --> 00:05:05.939 discuss business. I still thought we were going to have 83 00:05:05.990 --> 00:05:07.649 this discussion about the modelling. 84 00:05:10.149 --> 00:05:13.310 Instead of talking about modelling, she says Nygaard took her 85 00:05:13.329 --> 00:05:17.970 to his bedroom and raped her. She says she'd never 86 00:05:18.029 --> 00:05:21.769 had sex before this. When he was done, she says 87 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:24.819 she was given an envelope of cash. As she left 88 00:05:24.860 --> 00:05:28.160 Nygaard's room and walked down the stairs, she saw another 89 00:05:28.220 --> 00:05:29.639 young girl walking up. 90 00:05:31.980 --> 00:05:34.500 I wasn't talking to no one. My head was just 91 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:36.959 down so no one would see my face when I 92 00:05:36.980 --> 00:05:37.500 was crying. 93 00:05:39.250 --> 00:05:41.089 She never returned to Nygaard Key. 94 00:05:42.649 --> 00:05:45.029 It changed my life, and I held it in. 95 00:05:45.740 --> 00:05:47.879 For a very long time without telling anyone. 96 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:56.319 Today, this young woman is known as Jane Doe, number one. 97 00:05:57.350 --> 00:05:59.610 Her account is the first in a long list of 98 00:05:59.670 --> 00:06:05.449 anonymous allegations against Peter Nygaard, some nearly identical, others spread 99 00:06:05.550 --> 00:06:09.670 far across time and place. But each helps reveal the 100 00:06:09.730 --> 00:06:13.029 picture of a predator, hidden in plain sight. 101 00:06:14.410 --> 00:06:17.490 Ten women have filed a civil class action lawsuit against 102 00:06:17.569 --> 00:06:21.509 Peter Nygaard. They allege the Canadian fashion executive raped them. 103 00:06:22.569 --> 00:06:25.480 In the early months of 2020, the lawsuit included Jane 104 00:06:25.500 --> 00:06:29.019 Doe No. 1, eight other women from the Bahamas, and 105 00:06:29.060 --> 00:06:32.459 an American former employee. Soon we found out there were 106 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.420 criminal investigations into Nygaard, while more and more women joined 107 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:41.139 the class action from Canada, Europe, and the U.S. Then, 108 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:44.100 as the year came to an end, We have some 109 00:06:44.139 --> 00:06:45.160 breaking news for you. 110 00:06:45.259 --> 00:06:48.810 Canadian fashion mogul Peter Nygaard has been arrested. 111 00:06:49.019 --> 00:06:52.829 Nygaard appeared in court this afternoon, shackled and disheveled. He 112 00:06:52.870 --> 00:06:57.189 didn't say anything. American authorities asked the RCMP to arrest Nygaard. 113 00:06:57.490 --> 00:06:59.850 He's been indicted in the Southern District of New York 114 00:06:59.930 --> 00:07:04.600 on multiple charges of sex trafficking, minors, racketeering and other offenses. 115 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:08.879 An FBI investigation ended with Nygaard behind bars in Canada, 116 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:10.060 awaiting extradition. 117 00:07:11.060 --> 00:07:14.509 Nygaard is denying the accusations, and his lawyer promises a 118 00:07:14.569 --> 00:07:18.269 vigorous defence. The CBC's been following the Nygaard story for 119 00:07:18.329 --> 00:07:19.110 nearly a decade. 120 00:07:21.350 --> 00:07:24.069 Until last year, Peter Nygaard was known mostly for his 121 00:07:24.149 --> 00:07:28.029 fashion brands. But some journalists had heard alarming stories about 122 00:07:28.089 --> 00:07:32.110 sexual misconduct and rape going back 25 years. And we've 123 00:07:32.129 --> 00:07:35.589 been trying to tell them ever since. I've been an 124 00:07:35.629 --> 00:07:38.430 investigative journalist at the CBC for more than two decades. 125 00:07:39.110 --> 00:07:41.810 And for almost half of that time, I've been investigating 126 00:07:41.870 --> 00:07:44.420 Nygaard as part of a team at the CBC program, 127 00:07:44.569 --> 00:07:48.019 The Fifth Estate. Through it all, Nygaard has used his 128 00:07:48.100 --> 00:07:52.699 vast resources and the courts to deter us. It hasn't worked. 129 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:56.079 But this is a story about more than the fall 130 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:59.620 of Peter Nygaard. It's the story of those who protected him, 131 00:08:00.220 --> 00:08:03.910 the systems and cultures that allowed him to thrive, and 132 00:08:03.930 --> 00:08:07.430 the women who may, in the end, bring him to justice. 133 00:08:09.050 --> 00:08:15.160 I'm Timothy Sawa. And this is Evil by Design. Episode 1. 134 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:28.050 The Jane Does. Do you remember her telling you her story? 135 00:08:29.610 --> 00:08:29.910 Yes. 136 00:08:31.449 --> 00:08:33.710 A couple of years before she'd become a plaintiff in 137 00:08:33.730 --> 00:08:37.029 the lawsuit against Nygaard, Jane Doe No. 1 spoke to 138 00:08:37.070 --> 00:08:40.049 Daneth Cartwright. What was that like? 139 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:45.149 She was so tiny and she was still in her uniform. 140 00:08:46.610 --> 00:08:49.389 A lawyer in the Bahamas, Danette's firm represented some of 141 00:08:49.409 --> 00:08:51.649 the women and girls who were the earliest to make 142 00:08:51.750 --> 00:08:55.110 allegations against Nygaard. She was one of the first people 143 00:08:55.149 --> 00:08:55.990 to hear their stories. 144 00:08:58.289 --> 00:09:01.330 I don't have a daughter, but this was so traumatic 145 00:09:01.370 --> 00:09:03.850 for me because I said,

this could be my little sister. 146 00:09:03.909 --> 00:09:07.690 This could be my child. She was in her school uniform. 147 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:12.059 I'm the tiniest little person you could ever, beautiful young lady. 148 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:15.460 And she came in to see us. She was still 149 00:09:15.500 --> 00:09:16.139 in high school. 150 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:20.419 She told lawyers she was 14 at the time of 151 00:09:20.460 --> 00:09:20.820 the rape. 152 00:09:22.179 --> 00:09:25.370 She was scared, but she shared her story. She was brave. 153 00:09:25.850 --> 00:09:28.049 And her reason was that she didn't want it to 154 00:09:28.110 --> 00:09:31.889 happen to other people. She wanted to get that release 155 00:09:31.990 --> 00:09:35.299 of not having the secret anymore. Well, it has been 156 00:09:35.340 --> 00:09:38.220 very traumatic for them, especially when they have to keep 157 00:09:38.259 --> 00:09:41.700 telling the story, you know. They've had to repeat their 158 00:09:41.740 --> 00:09:44.460 stories a few times, even to us to make sure 159 00:09:44.539 --> 00:09:47.899 that this is consistent information that they're giving us. 160 00:09:52.490 --> 00:09:54.710 For many of the girls and young women invited to 161 00:09:54.769 --> 00:09:58.070 Nygaard's estate, visits began with registration. 162 00:09:59.389 --> 00:10:02.370 To get into Bethlehem, whole community, your name has to 163 00:10:02.409 --> 00:10:04.330 be on a list. You have to know who you're 164 00:10:04.350 --> 00:10:06.409 going to, and they check the list. It's a very 165 00:10:06.450 --> 00:10:07.389 secured area. 166 00:10:09.570 --> 00:10:12.750 Natasha Codner worked at Nygaard Key for years, beginning in 2003. 167 00:10:12.750 --> 00:10:13.730 Once they. 168 00:10:15.710 --> 00:10:21.279 Arrive, you sign in, your name, your email address. your 169 00:10:21.299 --> 00:10:26.769 telephone contact, your address, and also we take two mouth shots, 170 00:10:26.830 --> 00:10:29.590 like a head shot and a full body shot. 171 00:10:31.350 --> 00:10:34.769 Though she was a coordinator in the Corporate Communications Department, 172 00:10:35.590 --> 00:10:38.299 Natasha says part of her job was to find an 173 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:41.340 endless supply of young women to spend time with Nygaard. 174 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:47.019 And just as we signed him in, you send him 175 00:10:47.100 --> 00:10:50.659 an email, he'll be at his computer waiting to see 176 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:55.559 the email of what girl's coming and who we already register. 177 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:00.279 And he will have to give you the okay to say, well, okay, 178 00:11:00.299 --> 00:11:02.789 she's nice, let her in and so forth. But if 179 00:11:02.850 --> 00:11:07.129 she isn't slim, under 110 to 12 pounds and looks 180 00:11:07.190 --> 00:11:11.029 like a model, he'll make you turn them back around 181 00:11:11.149 --> 00:11:13.769 and say, no, you can't. And he'll say, give them

182 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:15.919 an F in story. You don't know what to do. 183 00:11:16.750 --> 00:11:18.639 So you had to make up a story, tell a 184 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:20.720 lot of lies, just to cover for him. 185 00:11:22.340 --> 00:11:25.960 Since the late 80s, NYGARD staff have maintained a database 186 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:28.799 of the young women and girls who visit NYGARD Key, 187 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:32.480 a database used to invite them to come again. 188 00:11:32.500 --> 00:11:37.120 If you live in New York, Canada, L.A., and you 189 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:40.370 come to the Bahamas and visit, we have your contacts. 190 00:11:41.350 --> 00:11:44.309 And we have thousands and thousands of girls in the 191 00:11:44.330 --> 00:11:48.740 Bahamian contacts. When Mr. Nygaard is in town, my typical 192 00:11:48.750 --> 00:11:52.580 day will start off by calling him 7 a.m. and 193 00:11:52.620 --> 00:11:58.019 now 10 a.m. you'll have to start recruiting young ladies 194 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:01.360 to come over for dinner for 7 o'clock that night. 195 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:04.570 So basically all day you would be on the phone 196 00:12:04.629 --> 00:12:08.110 calling girls, trying to get them to come over, inviting 197 00:12:08.149 --> 00:12:12.110 them for dinner. Every night, some will tell you they're coming, 198 00:12:12.690 --> 00:12:16.570 but they don't show up, so you'll have to Keep 199 00:12:16.649 --> 00:12:19.789 calling them. He makes you call them every hour or 200 00:12:19.850 --> 00:12:23.389 two hours to confirm that they're coming and they're on 201 00:12:23.429 --> 00:12:27.820 their way. Lots say no, but you have to convince 202 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:31.419 them that they're coming to a nice sit-down, fine dining 203 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:35.320 setting and so forth. So you have to convince some, 204 00:12:35.419 --> 00:12:38.960 and some will say, okay, no problem. But some, you'll 205 00:12:38.980 --> 00:12:45.029 have to convince them to come back. Typically, from Monday 206 00:12:45.049 --> 00:12:48.080 to Friday, I'll have to look for like about 10 207 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:52.480 to 12 girls for dinner. But on a Sunday, you'll 208 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:56.139 have to look for 150 to 200 girls to attend 209 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:58.620 a pamper party that happens every Sunday. 210 00:13:01.299 --> 00:13:04.649 Pamper parties. That was Nygaard's name for these Sunday gatherings. 211 00:13:05.330 --> 00:13:09.309 They were a Nygaard tradition, open almost exclusively to female guests. 212 00:13:11.779 --> 00:13:15.470 It starts from 3 o'clock, but the gate opens at 2. 213 00:13:15.470 --> 00:13:18.330 So at 2 p.m., we'll have everything set up at 214 00:13:18.370 --> 00:13:25.169 the door, manicure, pedicure. You can get your massages. You 215 00:13:25.210 --> 00:13:29.429 can play volleyball. All you can eat and drink, and 216 00:13:29.450 --> 00:13:33.509 then they'll be there all day. And you'll also

tell them, 217 00:13:33.629 --> 00:13:36.549 come in your swim attire because it's a beach event. 218 00:13:37.789 --> 00:13:40.870 So we get them the dress skimpy and sexy and 219 00:13:40.889 --> 00:13:42.009 the bikini. 220 00:13:44.570 --> 00:13:47.470 Natasha says for those who didn't have the appropriate swimwear, 221 00:13:47.950 --> 00:13:51.129 Nygaard had a stockpile of Brazilian-cut bikinis to hand out. 222 00:13:51.149 --> 00:13:57.929 They would eat, drink, drink rum, party, go in the 223 00:13:58.090 --> 00:14:02.190 swimming pool, the sauna. As soon as the sun sets, 224 00:14:02.210 --> 00:14:05.029 the disco would start and he would tell everybody to 225 00:14:05.049 --> 00:14:08.549 make their way to the disco. And that's where more 226 00:14:08.610 --> 00:14:12.970 rum is served. You'll see them be drinking a lot 227 00:14:13.110 --> 00:14:18.860 and Taking off tops and dancing and having a good time. 228 00:14:20.539 --> 00:14:23.240 Those good times rolled long into the night. 229 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:28.450 The party don't stop. The disco don't stop. The music 230 00:14:28.490 --> 00:14:33.149 don't stop playing. Sometimes before six o'clock Monday morning, you 231 00:14:33.190 --> 00:14:37.190 still hear the music playing in the disco. People are 232 00:14:37.230 --> 00:14:38.730 back and forth to his room. 233 00:14:41.570 --> 00:14:44.009 Natasha says when Nygaard had a guest in his room 234 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:47.720 A security guard was at the door, blocking entry to others. 235 00:14:48.980 --> 00:14:51.779 He goes back and forth all night with different girls. 236 00:14:53.769 --> 00:14:56.110 The hunt was always on to find new girls and 237 00:14:56.169 --> 00:14:58.909 women to come to the pamper parties. And they had 238 00:14:58.950 --> 00:15:02.909 to fit Nygaard's specifications. Daneth Cartwright. 239 00:15:04.450 --> 00:15:07.289 I think he definitely had a profile of the type 240 00:15:07.330 --> 00:15:09.340 of women that he wanted. A lot of them were 241 00:15:09.379 --> 00:15:13.950 very dark-skinned. So he obviously liked dark-skinned women. They were 242 00:15:14.029 --> 00:15:17.230 very slim at the time because, you know, they'll show 243 00:15:17.250 --> 00:15:20.309 you pictures of what they looked like back then. And 244 00:15:20.370 --> 00:15:22.980 they could easily be models. They were beautiful young girls. 245 00:15:23.980 --> 00:15:25.779 And where did they come from, most of them? 246 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:29.799 A lot of them are from the inner city. So 247 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:33.600 for these girls, being invited is like a treat. Oh, 248 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:36.139 my gosh. You look forward to it. You want to 249 00:15:36.179 --> 00:15:37.259 go to those parties. 250 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:37.350 Yes. 251 00:15:40.549 --> 00:15:44.429 Them getting to leave a home where they probably don't 252 00:15:44.509 --> 00:15:50.110 have running water inside, you know, their circumstances differed. Their 253 00:15:50.129 --> 00:15:53.039 parents couldn't pay the light bill. They were probably living 254 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:56.419 in darkness. And you get invited to go to where 255 00:15:56.500 --> 00:15:59.279 the rich and famous live, you're not going to turn 256 00:15:59.340 --> 00:16:03.419 that down. In fact, one person described his bedroom as 257 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:05.340 bigger than her entire house. 258 00:16:08.950 --> 00:16:11.830 But, I asked Aneth, how did these girls end up 259 00:16:11.870 --> 00:16:14.169 at Nygaard's private estate in the first place? 260 00:16:16.330 --> 00:16:21.019 Okay, so they were mainly recruited by other girls. Some 261 00:16:21.059 --> 00:16:22.200 of them were his staff. 262 00:16:24.059 --> 00:16:25.820 At one point, there was even a shuttle bus that 263 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:28.460 transported partygoers to and from the quay. 264 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:34.789 And then there were others who were invited through various events. 265 00:16:35.230 --> 00:16:39.370 There was a popular nightclub that they would visit. And 266 00:16:39.450 --> 00:16:41.710 he would take girls with him and they will invite 267 00:16:41.730 --> 00:16:44.750 some of the girls to the pamper parties. Oh, you're beautiful. 268 00:16:45.490 --> 00:16:48.549 We're inviting you to a party on Sunday. I have 269 00:16:48.620 --> 00:16:52.340 heard of persons being recruited through schools as well. And 270 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:56.700 his store was a place for recruiting some of these girls. Now, 271 00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:59.120 there are some high schools that are in the vicinity 272 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:00.799 of where his store was located. 273 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:05.740 That's the store in Marathon Mall, which is right smack 274 00:17:05.779 --> 00:17:09.210 in between two large public schools. one of them a 275 00:17:09.250 --> 00:17:12.890 junior high. And what about social media? 276 00:17:14.390 --> 00:17:18.910 Oh yes, it was frequently used. In particular, Facebook was 277 00:17:19.049 --> 00:17:22.819 used to recruit girls. They would send them messages inviting 278 00:17:22.859 --> 00:17:26.039 them to the pamper party. And there was a page 279 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:28.079 that was created specifically for that. 280 00:17:29.859 --> 00:17:32.480 As part of our investigation, we obtained hundreds of these 281 00:17:32.539 --> 00:17:38.000 Facebook exchanges. Here's how many began. Hello, how are you? 282 00:17:38.539 --> 00:17:41.220 You are invited to this Sunday's pamper party at Nygaard Quay. 283 00:17:41.619 --> 00:17:45.339 There will be free food, massages, manicures, jet boat rides, 284 00:17:45.539 --> 00:17:48.400 and much more. You are allowed as many guests as 285 00:17:48.420 --> 00:17:54.099 you want. However, you are only allowed female guests. Other 286 00:17:54.140 --> 00:17:59.029 messages make clear that that wasn't Nygaard's only restriction. You 287 00:17:59.049 -->

00:18:01.490 have to be sexy, pretty, and slim, due to the 288 00:18:01.549 --> 00:18:05.170 fact that we will be scouting for models. And on 289 00:18:05.210 --> 00:18:08.980 the rare occasions male guests were allowed... there were conditions. 290 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:12.809 No men are allowed unless they come in a car 291 00:18:12.849 --> 00:18:19.069 with five sexy females. In the Bahamas, I met another 292 00:18:19.130 --> 00:18:22.990 young woman who we will refer to as Jane Doe No. 3. 293 00:18:22.990 --> 00:18:25.299 She says it was a Nygaard employee who invited her 294 00:18:25.339 --> 00:18:25.819 to the key. 295 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:33.779 She was a neighborhood person that frequented the neighborhood like 296 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:38.130 every other day. And she told us that We could, 297 00:18:38.670 --> 00:18:40.470 if we wanted to go to the Quay to make 298 00:18:40.549 --> 00:18:45.329 money for the weekend, me and all of the girls 299 00:18:45.390 --> 00:18:46.930 decided that we'd all do it. 300 00:18:48.819 --> 00:18:51.900 Another Nygaard employee drives her to the Quay, along with 301 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:52.500 four others. 302 00:18:54.460 --> 00:18:56.359 I have never been on that side of the island, 303 00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:58.299 so it was amazing. I was excited. 304 00:18:58.819 --> 00:19:02.980 Never saw so many beautiful palm trees, a lot of 305 00:19:03.180 --> 00:19:04.519 waterfront properties. 306 00:19:04.900 --> 00:19:05.859 Everything was just beautiful. 307 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:09.599 It was so beautiful, something I'd never seen before. 308 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:14.980 She arrives at Nygaard's estate to find a party in 309 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:15.559 full swing. 310 00:19:17.059 --> 00:19:19.440 Saw a lot of people come in there. Those were partying, 311 00:19:19.460 --> 00:19:20.779 those were just walking around. 312 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:26.299 The employee who'd invited her to the key takes her 313 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:27.160 to Nygaard's room. 314 00:19:29.539 --> 00:19:34.319 She took me into this area, up the stairway. And 315 00:19:34.339 --> 00:19:36.509 when I walk into the room, He told me that 316 00:19:36.549 --> 00:19:42.230 I could have a seat. He offered me a glass 317 00:19:42.269 --> 00:19:45.950 of wine, which I never drank the whole thing, just 318 00:19:46.009 --> 00:19:46.490 a little bit. 319 00:19:47.150 --> 00:19:50.880 He asked what I wanted to do. when I grew up. 320 00:19:52.259 --> 00:19:55.700 He asked about me signing for a modeling contract. 321 00:19:56.819 --> 00:20:00.940 And some other questions, like, it was personal questions, what 322 00:20:00.980 --> 00:20:02.400 I can't remember every single thing. 323 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:05.890 Nygaard asked if she had had sex before. She said no. 324 00:20:07.529 --> 00:20:13.049 After a few moments of answering questions. I felt really nauseous. 325 00:20:13.309 --> 00:20:16.869 I felt sick, like I wasn't myself. He said, let's 326 00:20:16.910 --> 00:20:21.549 go into, it was a bedroom area. It was floral sheeting. 327 00:20:21.930 --> 00:20:25.150 I could remember there was a very large, like a 328 00:20:25.190 --> 00:20:28.349 mirror in the ceiling. There was a bay view where 329 00:20:28.369 --> 00:20:30.849 you could see directly. There was like, the room was 330 00:20:30.890 --> 00:20:34.750 surrounded by water. He told me to sit onto the bed. 331 00:20:34.769 --> 00:20:38.569 He was pulling on my arm and stuff, and I 332 00:20:39.190 --> 00:20:45.009 I felt so uncomfortable. I was confused. My head started spinning. 333 00:20:45.170 --> 00:20:46.990 I felt like I wanted to throw up, and it 334 00:20:47.029 --> 00:20:51.289 wasn't coming up. And he started pushing on me, and 335 00:20:51.309 --> 00:20:55.829 I started saying, stop, stop. And like I say, feeling 336 00:20:55.869 --> 00:20:59.329 the way I felt, it was more like I was 337 00:20:59.650 --> 00:21:05.839 doing 100%, but my body was feeling otherwise. I hadn't 338 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:09.930 felt that way before, not ever. I started saying stop, 339 00:21:10.029 --> 00:21:13.410 he stopped, so I thought it was the end. He 340 00:21:13.450 --> 00:21:17.690 went into an area of the room, pulled out a drawer, 341 00:21:17.970 --> 00:21:19.039 and he got something. 342 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:20.099 His back was turned to. 343 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:23.619 Me, and I was, it was like, you know, looking 344 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:26.619 at something, like everything was just spinning and rotating. 345 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:31.400 And he came back towards me. I had on a sweatpants. 346 00:21:32.529 --> 00:21:35.970 He started pulling down on my sweatpants, and he took 347 00:21:36.009 --> 00:21:37.670 his penis and it penetrated me. 348 00:21:43.190 --> 00:21:47.150 He held one of my hands and I screamed stop, stop, 349 00:21:47.450 --> 00:21:47.890 and stop. 350 00:21:47.930 --> 00:21:49.880 And it took him about 10 to 15 minutes before 351 00:21:49.900 --> 00:21:52.420 he actually came to a complete stop. 352 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:57.160 And he seemed to be very, very angry. 353 00:21:57.660 --> 00:21:59.599 I remember at one point in time he made a 354 00:21:59.619 --> 00:22:03.059 comment like, why are you acting so afraid as if 355 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:05.500 you don't know what was supposed to happen? Like I 356 00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:07.039 was supposed to be a part of this plan that 357 00:22:07.099 --> 00:22:11.480 I had no recollection of. And he threw an envelope 358 00:22:11.539 --> 00:22:13.509 onto the bed and he Ran out of the room 359 00:22:13.549 --> 00:22:14.150 in a rage. 360 00:22:15.950 --> 00:22:21.150 I was feeling sick, definitely. I was scared. I was confused. 361 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:26.400 Just like everything was going on. I ran into this 362 00:22:26.859 --> 00:22:30.079 bathroom area and I locked the door. And then I 363 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:31.539

knocked on the bathroom door. 364 00:22:33.339 --> 00:22:35.779 The Nygaard employee had returned to lead her out of 365 00:22:35.819 --> 00:22:38.559 the room. She handed her approximately 200 U.S. 366 00:22:38.579 --> 00:22:38.779 Dollars. 367 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:43.500 And I was confused. I didn't ask them no questions. 368 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:46.859 I just wanted to get away from there. I quickly 369 00:22:47.220 --> 00:22:50.119 ran out of there. I didn't talk to anybody in 370 00:22:50.140 --> 00:22:52.230 my driving room. I didn't talk to anybody. 371 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:54.730 When I ran home. I just isolated myself from everybody. 372 00:22:58.589 --> 00:23:01.490 For those who worked at Nygaard Key, like Natasha Codner, 373 00:23:01.930 --> 00:23:03.789 exits like these were a familiar sight. 374 00:23:05.430 --> 00:23:09.309 When they come down, the next morning leaving, like 7, 375 00:23:09.309 --> 00:23:12.220 8 o'clock in the morning, they look But Jane Doe No. 376 00:23:12.220 --> 00:23:12.859 3 had no. 377 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:16.039 Idea there had been others like her, and she endured 378 00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:18.279 the trauma alone. Well, the next day I was still sick. 379 00:23:18.299 --> 00:23:19.960 This time I actually saw. 380 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:45.329 Things that happened afterwards, like I had bleeding down below. 381 00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:46.730 It was just real awful. 382 00:23:46.769 --> 00:23:49.630 I was throwing up. I still felt as if all 383 00:23:49.650 --> 00:23:50.950 I wanted to do was lay in my bed. 384 00:23:52.430 --> 00:23:54.170 She was 15 years old. 385 00:23:55.869 --> 00:23:57.329 I have never been with a mom before. 386 00:23:57.349 --> 00:24:01.910 It was so forceful. It was something not intended to happen. 387 00:24:02.529 --> 00:24:04.450 I think people would say, what do you think is 388 00:24:04.470 --> 00:24:06.519 going to happen when you go into a room with someone? 389 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:09.000 But that's not how I looked at it. 390 00:24:10.930 --> 00:24:13.240 It would be years until Jane Doe 3 learned of 391 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:16.940 the many others. Today, she says she isn't surprised that 392 00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:19.180 the number of accusers is steadily growing. 393 00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:22.759 No one does something for the first time and no 394 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:25.869 one just stops. You continue to do it because you're 395 00:24:25.890 --> 00:24:27.849 continuing to get away with it all the time. 396 00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:42.289 Early morning. on a Manhattan sidewalk, a shooting caught on 397 00:24:42.309 --> 00:24:43.150 surveillance video. 398 00:24:43.690 --> 00:24:47.509 It was an assassination-style killing, and everybody saw it. 399 00:24:47.769 --> 00:24:50.950 Now, as Luigi Mangione prepares to stand trial for the 400 00:24:51.009 --> 00:24:55.480 murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, which he denies, a 401 00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:59.900 new podcast series from ABC Audio in 2020 goes inside 402 00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:04.849 this captivating case. I'm ABC News legal analyst Brian Buckmeyer. 403 00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:09.289 Listen to Burden of Proof, Luigi Mangione, wherever you get 404 00:25:09.329 --> 00:25:09.970 your podcasts. 405 00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:18.880 Across decades, thousands of young women and girls were lured 406 00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:23.039 to Nygaard's estate. With an invite to a party. With 407 00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:26.460 an offer of work. With a chance to be a model. 408 00:25:27.700 --> 00:25:30.940 And many came from Nassau communities, like Over the Hill. 409 00:25:33.789 --> 00:25:38.700 Over the Hill is a location. It's a location... and demographic. 410 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:43.900 Nahaja Black is a longtime Bahamian radio host. Her call-in 411 00:25:43.940 --> 00:25:48.619 show tackles local politics and current affairs. In British colonial times, 412 00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:52.519 Over the Hill was a settlement for freed slaves. It's 413 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:55.759 an area rich in history, but its buildings and streets 414 00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:57.099 have fallen into disrepair. 415 00:25:59.220 --> 00:26:02.750 So back then, it wasn't as impoverished as it is now. 416 00:26:03.549 --> 00:26:06.529 Back then, that was where all of us, you know, 417 00:26:06.569 --> 00:26:10.210 as good, hardworking Black people would be. But today, Over 418 00:26:10.230 --> 00:26:11.529 the Hill is seen as impoverished. 419 00:26:11.970 --> 00:26:12.410 The ghetto. 420 00:26:12.430 --> 00:26:14.190 Because once you've made it, you move out. 421 00:26:14.089 --> 00:26:14.730 Of Over the Hill. 422 00:26:17.099 --> 00:26:19.319 That neighborhood is only a few blocks from the beach 423 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:24.019 and luxury hotels. It's mostly a collection of tiny, run-down homes, 424 00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:27.400 crammed side by side, stretching as far as the eye 425 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:27.839 can see. 426 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.980 Listen, it's not a brochure. They never show it to 427 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:37.660 you in the brochure. You will see dilapidated buildings. You 428 00:26:37.700 --> 00:26:41.519 will see two and three little houses in a yard, 429 00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:45.200 yards that don't have grass, but, you know, dust. You 430 00:26:45.220 --> 00:26:49.480 will see outside water pumps, roads that are too small 431 00:26:49.980 --> 00:26:52.809 because they were meant for horse and carriage. You will 432 00:26:52.900 --> 00:26:56.630 see kids outside running about, some that should be in school. 433 00:26:56.690 --> 00:26:59.450 And you would see people who are living paycheck to paycheck. 434 00:27:01.609 --> 00:27:04.990 Nahaja had heard rumors about Peter Nygaard's pamper parties when 435 00:27:05.049 --> 00:27:08.190 she herself was a teen, some 20 years ago. 436 00:27:09.730 --> 00:27:13.049 It wasn't something that was a

big discussion other than, oh, well, 437 00:27:13.250 --> 00:27:15.910 Nygaard's having these pamper parties and all these little girls 438 00:27:15.990 --> 00:27:20.700 up there modeling and, you know, scantily clad. And I 439 00:27:20.740 --> 00:27:23.460 thought it was just like these modeling sort of parties 440 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:25.640 you would see on TV, like E! News, you know, 441 00:27:25.900 --> 00:27:28.980 that sort of way. And then later on, you would 442 00:27:29.019 --> 00:27:36.170 hear a little bit more about young girls and sex. 443 00:27:39.009 --> 00:27:43.470 When allegations of Nygaard's sexual misconduct hit the headlines in 2020, 444 00:27:43.470 --> 00:27:47.329 she right away thought of one place. And what's your 445 00:27:47.349 --> 00:27:50.619 understanding of Peter Nygaard's connection to the community over the hill? 446 00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:54.299 Oh, using our poverty against us. 447 00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:55.660 That's what it is. 448 00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:00.000 Him using and grooming and sending people into the ghettos 449 00:28:00.019 --> 00:28:01.259 to get somebody's child. 450 00:28:02.309 --> 00:28:05.849 How vulnerable are the young women in the Bahamas because 451 00:28:05.869 --> 00:28:07.269 of these conditions that you describe? 452 00:28:10.009 --> 00:28:14.039 Well, I gather, not I gather, I know, very vulnerable, 453 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:17.460 very vulnerable. I mean, I can tell you stories of 454 00:28:17.539 --> 00:28:20.140 myself when I was in school. I remember one of 455 00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:22.799 my friends in this public school said to me that she, 456 00:28:22.819 --> 00:28:25.400 when she was distraught, and it was the first time 457 00:28:25.420 --> 00:28:27.960 I'd ever encountered anything like this in terms of a decision, 458 00:28:28.869 --> 00:28:32.609 that we as 15-year-olds were, would be facing. And she 459 00:28:33.539 --> 00:28:36.380 came to me and said, Nahaja, my mom wants me 460 00:28:36.420 --> 00:28:38.980 to sleep with her boyfriend so that we can get 461 00:28:39.019 --> 00:28:45.480 a new fridge. To this day, that still sits with me. 462 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:47.900 I'm like, no, you can't. 463 00:28:48.980 --> 00:28:49.220 No. 464 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:56.460 I mean, people who don't necessarily understand the context and 465 00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:00.339 the situation the way you do might ask, Where are 466 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.569 the parents? Where were the parents in the situations with 467 00:29:03.589 --> 00:29:06.490 these young women as young as 14 ending up at 468 00:29:06.549 --> 00:29:09.009 Nygaard Key? How do you answer that question? 469 00:29:11.250 --> 00:29:13.779 I think a lot of us who ask that question 470 00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:18.779 are fortunate to ask that question because probably you had 471 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:23.819 parents who and a life that never would have allowed 472 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:25.789 that to happen

to be these decisions. 473 00:29:25.849 --> 00:29:26.390 You know what I mean? 474 00:29:26.869 --> 00:29:30.119 We have been fortunate and blessed enough to not understand, 475 00:29:30.140 --> 00:29:36.210 to not relate. There are mothers who are in those 476 00:29:36.450 --> 00:29:40.000 levels of poverty. They were molested as children. and it 477 00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:43.700 may have been continual and consistent and no reprieve, no help. 478 00:29:44.299 --> 00:29:48.039 So the parents are broken children who just became adults 479 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:52.269 and we're asking broken adults who were messed up from 480 00:29:52.309 --> 00:29:55.410 children to be good parents. And not all can do that, 481 00:29:55.430 --> 00:29:58.410 but a lot have. And they are doctors and lawyers 482 00:29:58.490 --> 00:30:02.769 and teachers. Bus drivers, a lot have overcome and they 483 00:30:02.789 --> 00:30:05.170 protect their children. And then there's still a good bunch 484 00:30:05.190 --> 00:30:07.609 that don't and haven't because it's been so traumatic. 485 00:30:07.630 --> 00:30:10.269 And I guess I wonder too about those who are 486 00:30:10.309 --> 00:30:13.990 bus drivers or might have multiple jobs and trying to 487 00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:15.140 kind of hold things together. 488 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.460 Oh, heck yeah. Oh, that happens all the time. When 489 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:20.420 you have to trust your kids in a place where 490 00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:22.460 you don't trust your kids to be, but you don't 491 00:30:22.500 --> 00:30:25.519 have anyone to watch them. We've had a lot of 492 00:30:25.619 --> 00:30:28.950 issues where, you know, The godparent or the uncle or 493 00:30:29.009 --> 00:30:33.150 the brother or the pastor or somebody takes advantage because 494 00:30:33.190 --> 00:30:35.289 mommy has to go to work. And we are a 495 00:30:35.329 --> 00:30:37.710 tourism nation, so you have a lot of women and 496 00:30:37.750 --> 00:30:38.650 a lot of parents. 497 00:30:38.410 --> 00:30:39.470 Who work shifts. 498 00:30:41.220 --> 00:30:49.519 First world questions or ideals presented on third world realities 499 00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:51.299 presents conflict. 500 00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:58.000 The lawsuit alleges that the envelopes of cash given to 501 00:30:58.039 --> 00:31:01.619 Peter Nygaard's victims contained more money than most of them 502 00:31:01.660 --> 00:31:04.180 had seen at any one time in their lifetimes. 503 00:31:06.259 --> 00:31:08.700 That's very common throughout. A lot of them got money, 504 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:10.650 and I guess it was hush money, money for them 505 00:31:10.690 --> 00:31:13.609 not to say anything. We had instances where the money 506 00:31:13.650 --> 00:31:18.069 was rejected, and there are instances when they took the 507 00:31:18.109 --> 00:31:20.089 money and went back for more. 508 00:31:23.869 --> 00:31:26.589 While many say Nygaard exploited the poverty of the islands, 509 00:31:27.029 --> 00:31:29.410 I wondered, did he also take advantage of the country's 510 00:31:29.539 --> 00:31:35.519 attitudes towards sex and sexual violence? I'm also wondering about consent. 511 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:37.640 How is that talked about? 512 00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:40.460 Wow. Okay. 513 00:31:41.299 --> 00:31:45.059 How is consent talked about in the Bahamas? Men, we 514 00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.319 have to protect men from lying women. That's the whole 515 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:53.730 argument I see here. And also that men... in this 516 00:31:53.769 --> 00:31:57.349 country can't be held accountable for the fact that a 517 00:31:57.390 --> 00:32:00.509 young girl looks like a woman, even if she's not 518 00:32:00.549 --> 00:32:00.950 of age. 519 00:32:01.450 --> 00:32:03.069 Like, oh, she's so fast. 520 00:32:03.190 --> 00:32:07.589 Oh, and fast means fresh, and fresh means sexually forward 521 00:32:07.630 --> 00:32:12.359 or advanced. Listen, every time I think about these things, 522 00:32:12.430 --> 00:32:15.480 it breaks my heart. We have this issue right now 523 00:32:15.579 --> 00:32:18.779 where we have a lot of young girls, 13, 14, 524 00:32:18.779 --> 00:32:21.400 sometimes you'll say, the police will say, you know, they're missing. 525 00:32:22.170 --> 00:32:24.009 And we would find out later that they are by 526 00:32:24.069 --> 00:32:26.430 some older man's house. And so the story is she 527 00:32:26.450 --> 00:32:26.990 by man. 528 00:32:27.390 --> 00:32:28.369 This is our vernacular. 529 00:32:29.049 --> 00:32:30.490 She by man. She too fresh. 530 00:32:30.529 --> 00:32:31.210 She too forward. 531 00:32:31.890 --> 00:32:35.279 Never taking into account that the young girl may have 532 00:32:35.299 --> 00:32:35.880 been groomed. 533 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:37.200 One. 534 00:32:37.339 --> 00:32:37.599 Two. 535 00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:41.420 What is the penalty for the man? Why is his 536 00:32:41.500 --> 00:32:44.799 face not being paraded on the news? Why is it 537 00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:45.759 always the child? 538 00:32:47.900 --> 00:32:51.420 If grooming is rarely openly discussed, there's an even bigger 539 00:32:51.460 --> 00:32:56.869 taboo around the subject of rape. How is it related 540 00:32:56.910 --> 00:32:58.170 to rape, the word hush? 541 00:33:01.980 --> 00:33:04.000 Hush him out. Don't talk about it. It is what 542 00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:04.259 it is. 543 00:33:04.380 --> 00:33:04.819 It happened. 544 00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:06.160 You ain't gonna get no justice. 545 00:33:06.180 --> 00:33:06.440 Hush. 546 00:33:07.059 --> 00:33:10.660 And depending on who raped you, right, you gonna make 547 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:13.980 this a big thing. It's not a big thing. You 548 00:33:14.029 --> 00:33:17.250 gonna make it bigger than it is. It saddens me 549 00:33:18.170 --> 00:33:22.170 to know how many women will today say that they 550 00:33:22.210 --> 00:33:26.690 were raped or sexually abused, and

when they told their parents, 551 00:33:26.730 --> 00:33:29.789 their parents told them, listen, keep it to yourself. We'll 552 00:33:29.809 --> 00:33:31.829 deal with it inside house. We'll deal with it as 553 00:33:31.869 --> 00:33:35.829 a family. Or you're telling a lie. Daddy didn't do 554 00:33:35.869 --> 00:33:36.309 this to you. 555 00:33:38.210 --> 00:33:41.109 What Nahaja says is backed by others in the Bahamas, 556 00:33:41.829 --> 00:33:45.390 including women's rights advocates and sex educators we've spoken to, 557 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:50.349 and the government's own task force. which was created to tackle, quote, 558 00:33:50.609 --> 00:33:53.029 endemic levels of gender-based violence. 559 00:33:55.150 --> 00:33:57.130 And you have police officers, you can go into the 560 00:33:57.170 --> 00:33:59.210 station and depending on who it is in society, if 561 00:33:59.269 --> 00:34:04.289 it's some politician's son, if it's some business owner's child, 562 00:34:04.329 --> 00:34:07.789 you know, whatever, they won't even take your complaint. 563 00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:14.539 In the Bahamas, there's a documented lack of faith in 564 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:19.250 local law enforcement. In 2018, a local watchdog reported that 565 00:34:19.289 --> 00:34:22.889 the Royal Bahamas Police Force was viewed by citizens as 566 00:34:22.929 --> 00:34:26.949 the country's most corrupt public institution and had the highest 567 00:34:27.050 --> 00:34:33.239 bribery rate reported across all public services. How much confidence 568 00:34:33.300 --> 00:34:36.960 does the average person have in their local police force? 569 00:34:40.780 --> 00:34:45.420 We have confidence that they will, if they need to, 570 00:34:45.949 --> 00:34:49.250 They will harass you if you're a minor or a 571 00:34:49.309 --> 00:34:54.639 regular citizen. We have confidence that most days they're probably 572 00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:57.480 sitting down in their office getting fat and not on 573 00:34:57.500 --> 00:35:01.500 the road. But what we aren't confident in is justice. 574 00:35:02.380 --> 00:35:05.780 And it's unfortunate because there are good officers. But the 575 00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.610 issues of so many poor ones, so many officers who 576 00:35:09.650 --> 00:35:11.929 are being bought off. Oh, my God. Our police force 577 00:35:11.969 --> 00:35:14.769 is not. It needs Jesus. 578 00:35:15.190 --> 00:35:15.349 Yeah. 579 00:35:15.969 --> 00:35:16.690 Let's keep praying. 580 00:35:19.949 --> 00:35:22.510 As is the case in many places, the stigma associated 581 00:35:22.530 --> 00:35:25.769 with sexual assault and mistrust of the police can prevent 582 00:35:25.849 --> 00:35:29.469 victims from reporting their attacks. 583 00:35:30.860 --> 00:35:33.460 In general, when people are raped in the Bahamas, they're 584 00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:35.960 very hesitant to go forward. 585 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:40.480 While on average, hospitals report treating more than 100 survivors 586 00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:43.119 of rape each year, in 2019, police said there were 587 00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:50.070 just 37 rapes reported to them In a lot of instances, 588 00:35:50.210 --> 00:35:51.929 they were telling me about it. 589 00:35:52.030 --> 00:35:54.489 I was the first person that they were telling the 590 00:35:54.530 --> 00:35:55.969 details of what happened. 591 00:35:57.610 --> 00:36:00.670 For Nygaard's victims, there were even more barriers to reporting. 592 00:36:02.139 --> 00:36:05.039 The girls, when they go to the pamper parties, would 593 00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:09.559 see police officers as security. And so who do you 594 00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:11.820 go to if the person who has raped you is 595 00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.340 very intimate with the police? 596 00:36:16.139 --> 00:36:20.030 D'Neth says that at his parties, Nygaard flaunted his high-level connections. 597 00:36:21.409 --> 00:36:24.210 Yeah, they thought he was very powerful because it wasn't 598 00:36:24.250 --> 00:36:29.349 just the police. There were politicians and various members of parliament. 599 00:36:29.389 --> 00:36:31.989 So for them, it was furious of seeing this very 600 00:36:32.070 --> 00:36:36.650 powerful man who is so very well connected, both politically 601 00:36:36.710 --> 00:36:42.380 and socially. How do you go against him? They blamed 602 00:36:42.420 --> 00:36:46.550 themselves for having gone to a pamper party. but how 603 00:36:46.590 --> 00:36:49.969 would you know? You go to the pamper party and 604 00:36:50.010 --> 00:36:53.460 let your guard down because you're so naive. In fact, 605 00:36:53.539 --> 00:36:55.340 one girl said, I saw him on TV and thought 606 00:36:55.380 --> 00:36:58.500 he was this person who would protect me, not someone 607 00:36:58.940 --> 00:37:02.039 who would try to hurt me. And so that's how 608 00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:06.050 it is. Rape is not always someone walking down an 609 00:37:06.210 --> 00:37:09.230 alley and someone pull them to the side. And that's 610 00:37:09.269 --> 00:37:11.829 how some of the girls thought rape was. They didn't 611 00:37:11.949 --> 00:37:15.269 realize that, look, I am 14 years old. And even 612 00:37:15.329 --> 00:37:18.429 if I said yes, or I said no, but he 613 00:37:18.489 --> 00:37:21.170 forced me a little and it happened, then it is rape. 614 00:37:21.750 --> 00:37:25.199 They think because they went there, they caused it on themselves. 615 00:37:25.820 --> 00:37:30.300 And that's very common. And there was one in particular 616 00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:34.099 who was raped before. And because of how the police 617 00:37:34.139 --> 00:37:38.380 responded to her, they victimized her all over again. So 618 00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:41.260 they were asking questions like, where were you? Why were 619 00:37:41.300 --> 00:37:43.199 you there? What were you wearing? 620 00:37:45.659 --> 00:37:49.239 In this, the police might not be alone. When I 621 00:37:49.280

--> 00:37:51.429 was in the Bahamas to report on this story in 622 00:37:51.489 --> 00:37:55.010 early 2020, I came across some of these attitudes myself. 623 00:37:57.110 --> 00:37:59.429 I mean, I remember going out for a run one 624 00:37:59.469 --> 00:38:00.909 day while I was there, and it was on the 625 00:38:00.949 --> 00:38:03.429 front page of the newspapers every day. And there was 626 00:38:03.449 --> 00:38:06.030 an older woman on the side of the road selling newspapers. 627 00:38:06.369 --> 00:38:07.750 And I asked her, I said, what do you think 628 00:38:07.889 --> 00:38:09.869 about this Mr. Nygaard person on the front cover of 629 00:38:09.889 --> 00:38:13.670 the newspaper? And she said, oh, those girls, they're all lying. 630 00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:14.929 They just want money. 631 00:38:16.409 --> 00:38:17.150 Oh, yeah. 632 00:38:17.309 --> 00:38:20.610 We encountered that a number of times in the Bahamas. 633 00:38:20.630 --> 00:38:21.409 Where does that come from? 634 00:38:23.349 --> 00:38:26.239 Man, that's a great question. And that's one of my 635 00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:30.360 biggest disappointments, the lack of women supporting women. But I 636 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:37.059 would say that I would hope that younger educated Bahamians 637 00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:41.449 don't share that sentiment from the women that you encountered. 638 00:38:43.530 --> 00:38:45.889 One of the things that angers me is that we always, no, 639 00:38:45.909 --> 00:38:47.789 you're talking about what the Mohammeds are foreigners. No, I 640 00:38:47.809 --> 00:38:50.190 don't have time for that because whilst you're worrying about 641 00:38:50.230 --> 00:38:52.929 how we are perceived, the truth is that we have 642 00:38:52.989 --> 00:38:56.840 issues and we need protections and rights. However, what always 643 00:38:56.880 --> 00:39:00.380 gives me hope is that I'm not alone. I'm not 644 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:02.679 the only one who sees and that says we got 645 00:39:02.699 --> 00:39:05.219 to tell the truth. What gives me hope and why 646 00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.670 I love being Bahamian is that we are hopeful. The 647 00:39:07.730 --> 00:39:11.010 processes that we've been using has failed us. And so 648 00:39:11.030 --> 00:39:12.829 we need to change. And so The goal is to 649 00:39:12.849 --> 00:39:15.920 not be hopeless and to laugh in. 650 00:39:15.860 --> 00:39:16.389 The midst of it. 651 00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:20.219 But it is the truth that the Bahamas is still 652 00:39:20.300 --> 00:39:23.860 fighting with a fake beauty. We call it open secret. 653 00:39:24.489 --> 00:39:29.690 We have this open secret of not protecting our women 654 00:39:29.710 --> 00:39:33.239 and children. in this country it's easy to judge us 655 00:39:33.260 --> 00:39:37.239 but not taking into context that we are still struggling 656 00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:39.590 with the sins of our past and the forefathers and 657 00:39:39.769 --> 00:39:43.110 colonizers

and the things that we consistently have to deal 658 00:39:43.130 --> 00:39:48.010 with because we have not changed the system of our 659 00:39:48.090 --> 00:39:51.559 oppressions So we look good out in the sun, buddy. 660 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:54.800 We look great, buddy. Inside, we're rotting to the core. 661 00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:56.980 And we need some serious healing and some help. 662 00:40:01.300 --> 00:40:04.329 As we continued investigating this story, it became clear that 663 00:40:04.469 --> 00:40:07.250 even if a girl or young woman overcame these obstacles 664 00:40:07.829 --> 00:40:10.630 and reported being raped to the police, when it came 665 00:40:10.670 --> 00:40:14.650 to Nygaard, it might not have made a difference. Here's 666 00:40:14.690 --> 00:40:15.820 Natasha Codner again. 667 00:40:17.829 --> 00:40:20.829 The police officers used to come on a daily basis 668 00:40:20.909 --> 00:40:25.139 for envelopes, but Mondays would be the biggest day because 669 00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:28.880 that's the payout day for the week. It was money 670 00:40:28.940 --> 00:40:33.219 in the envelopes because whenever I issue an envelope, we 671 00:40:33.300 --> 00:40:37.980 always deal with cash transaction and no check because he 672 00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:39.739 said he don't want nothing tied to him. 673 00:40:41.429 --> 00:40:44.230 If you didn't catch that, Natasha says police were paid 674 00:40:44.269 --> 00:40:48.940 in cash to avoid a paper trail. There's no indication 675 00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:50.980 that the Jane Does we spoke to for this episode 676 00:40:51.099 --> 00:40:54.300 knew about these payments. But the question is, would it 677 00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:54.840 have mattered? 678 00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:59.260 I felt afraid of everybody. I just wanted to be 679 00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:00.460 by myself all the time. 680 00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:05.409 After Jane Doe No. 3's assault, she told no one 681 00:41:05.570 --> 00:41:06.090 what happened. 682 00:41:06.110 --> 00:41:09.769 I didn't want to keep friends. I didn't want to 683 00:41:09.829 --> 00:41:12.010 talk to boys. I didn't want to do anything. 684 00:41:13.769 --> 00:41:16.329 She simply said she had gone for a job at 685 00:41:16.389 --> 00:41:19.559 Nygaard Quay. But when a young cousin of hers heard 686 00:41:19.780 --> 00:41:22.360 there was a job opportunity, she wanted to go too. 687 00:41:23.699 --> 00:41:25.889 Jane Doe No. 3 tried to convince her not to, 688 00:41:26.909 --> 00:41:27.610 but it didn't work. 689 00:41:29.349 --> 00:41:31.030 She felt like I was trying to shun her from 690 00:41:31.050 --> 00:41:31.789 the opportunity. 691 00:41:33.070 --> 00:41:35.909 Her cousin pushed to go, and she couldn't let her 692 00:41:35.949 --> 00:41:36.429 go alone. 693 00:41:37.789 --> 00:41:41.429 I ran there along with another family member, all because 694 00:41:41.489 --> 00:41:43.840 she wouldn't understand the fact that I was trying to 695 00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:46.880 tell her, hey, don't go there because of this without 696 00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:47.739 saying directly. 697 00:41:48.170 --> 00:41:52.809 What was it? Well, it was the same routine, sitting down, eating. 698 00:41:53.230 --> 00:41:55.949 But this time I started to feel sick again. I 699 00:41:55.989 --> 00:42:00.030 went into the bathroom. And she, when I came back, 700 00:42:00.090 --> 00:42:02.780 she was gone. And I started asking, hey, do you 701 00:42:02.820 --> 00:42:03.420 see my cousin? 702 00:42:03.460 --> 00:42:05.579 Do you see my cousin? No one seemed to know. 703 00:42:06.940 --> 00:42:09.920 I left her, not willingly. 704 00:42:12.420 --> 00:42:14.780 Her cousin is known as Jane Doe No. 4 in 705 00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:18.050 the lawsuit. In her account, she says she was approached 706 00:42:18.070 --> 00:42:21.969 by Nygaard, asking whether she had ever considered modeling, and 707 00:42:22.010 --> 00:42:25.050 he led her back to his room. There, she says, 708 00:42:25.530 --> 00:42:30.449 she was raped. According to the lawsuit, when it was over, 709 00:42:30.969 --> 00:42:35.710 Nygaard handed her an envelope with $ 5, 600 US dollars. She 710 00:42:35.730 --> 00:42:42.179 was 14 years old. The allegations of Jane Doe's number one, three, four, 711 00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:44.719 and the many others who have come forward have not 712 00:42:44.739 --> 00:42:48.190 been proven in court. Neither have the allegations made by 713 00:42:48.210 --> 00:42:52.030 the witnesses and whistleblowers, people like Natasha Codner. 714 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:57.699 I can speak the truth. I didn't do anything wrong. 715 00:42:58.820 --> 00:43:02.900 If anybody asks about it, I can tell them my past. 716 00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:09.500 Nygaard, through his representatives, vehemently denies all of it and 717 00:43:09.539 --> 00:43:16.019 says his accusers are lying. Lawyer Daneth Cartwright says the 718 00:43:16.059 --> 00:43:19.000 Jane Does who first came to her continue to suffer. 719 00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.679 Oh my. A lot of the girls, I'm not a 720 00:43:23.699 --> 00:43:28.570 psychiatrist or a psychologist, but I'm sure the trajectory that 721 00:43:28.610 --> 00:43:32.309 they're on, for some of them, they started doing poorly 722 00:43:32.449 --> 00:43:34.869 in school. They never went on to college, even if 723 00:43:34.889 --> 00:43:38.130 they had the ability, and some resorted to drinking. There 724 00:43:38.170 --> 00:43:42.570 are a few who started taking substance to numb their pain. 725 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:48.239 They are not able to form good relationships, meaningful relationships. 726 00:43:48.900 --> 00:43:51.530 And I would want to see the girls receive damages 727 00:43:51.650 --> 00:43:54.710 or some kind of compensation for what they went through 728 00:43:54.869 --> 00:43:57.329 to put their lives back in order. And many of 729 00:43:57.369 --> 00:44:00.150 them don't want that. And they'll tell you, that's

not 730 00:44:00.210 --> 00:44:02.130 my motive. I don't want that. I just want to 731 00:44:02.210 --> 00:44:04.309 see him punished for what he did. 732 00:44:12.820 --> 00:44:16.469 Who is Peter Nygaard? How did a Canadian retail mogul 733 00:44:16.570 --> 00:44:20.510 rise to such prominence and power in this tiny island nation? 734 00:44:21.750 --> 00:44:25.030 And ultimately, how did a group of girls and young 735 00:44:25.070 --> 00:44:30.639 women without wealth or political influence bring his empire crashing down? 736 00:44:32.260 --> 00:44:34.340 Coming up on Evil by Design. 737 00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:39.719 He's been a criminal for four decades at least. And 738 00:44:39.739 --> 00:44:42.400 he just got better and better and more extreme and 739 00:44:42.539 --> 00:44:45.860 uglier and more rampant in his attacks. 740 00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:50.519 He said he's richer than God, April. 741 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:52.179 He owns the police. 742 00:44:52.659 --> 00:44:53.460 He owns everybody. 743 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:54.719 He owns people. 744 00:44:55.860 --> 00:44:59.409 This was the first time a story had been spiked 745 00:45:00.070 --> 00:45:05.969 for nefarious reasons that some outside force had intervened. 746 00:45:06.730 --> 00:45:09.690 There were hundreds of people over the years that were 747 00:45:09.730 --> 00:45:11.949 knowing participants in this enterprise. 748 00:45:12.769 --> 00:45:16.250 I'm pleading to the enablers, stop helping this man. 749 00:45:17.050 --> 00:45:19.389 He didn't just only break me, he also built me. 750 00:45:20.150 --> 00:45:22.449 Because if that didn't happen to me, I would have 751 00:45:22.510 --> 00:45:25.809 never had the heart to put the amount of women 752 00:45:25.829 --> 00:45:28.389 that I did together to speak up against you. 753 00:45:29.369 --> 00:45:32.199 I remember these like seconds really vividly where I'm looking 754 00:45:32.219 --> 00:45:34.460 at his eyes because I was thinking to myself, who 755 00:45:34.539 --> 00:45:37.449 is this guy? And I said, I think our dad 756 00:45:37.489 --> 00:45:38.510 is really, really sick. 757 00:45:40.230 --> 00:45:42.110 We as a society need to look at this and say, 758 00:45:42.590 --> 00:45:44.320 what are we going to do differently with the next 759 00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:47.059 monster that comes along? Because there will be another monster. 760 00:45:47.340 --> 00:45:49.460 There's always going to be a Weinstein or an Epstein 761 00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:52.119 or a Nygaard. But how we learn to deal with 762 00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.019 it faster and better, this is just going to go 763 00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:56.539 on and on and on and on. 764 00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:02.869 If anything you've heard in this episode has left you 765 00:46:02.889 --> 00:46:07.590 looking for someone to talk to, please visit cbc.ca slash uncover. 766 00:46:08.210 --> 00:46:10.190 We have a number of resources there for those in 767 00:46:10.230 --> 00:46:13.969 need of help and support. Evil by Design is a 768 00:46:13.989 --> 00:46:17.840 co-production between CBC Podcasts and The Fifth Estate. You can 769 00:46:17.900 --> 00:46:21.599 find The Fifth Estate's latest documentary, Peter Nygaard, The Secret Videos, 770 00:46:21.900 --> 00:46:26.119 on YouTube. This podcast is written by producer Ashley Mack, 771 00:46:26.539 --> 00:46:31.500 associate producer Alina Ghosh, and me, Timothy Sawa, with assistance 772 00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:35.030 from Lynette Fortune at The Fifth Estate. Mixing and sound 773 00:46:35.070 --> 00:46:38.889 design by Evan Kelly. With technical assistance from Laura Antonelli. 774 00:46:39.820 --> 00:46:42.920 For this episode, special thanks goes to Bob McEwen and 775 00:46:42.980 --> 00:46:48.179 Alicia Wallace. Emily Connell is our digital producer. Fact-checking by 776 00:46:48.260 --> 00:46:52.570 Emily Mathieu and legal advice from Sean Moorman. Original music 777 00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:56.929 by Olivia Pasquarelli. Our senior producer at CBC Podcasts is 778 00:46:56.989 --> 00:47:00.510 Chris Oak. And our executive producer is Arif Noorani. 779 00:47:11.219 --> 00:47:16.059 For more CBC podcasts, go to cbc.ca slash podcasts.