Eddie Bravo: Developing 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu & Where His Creative Style Comes From | EP 52의 전체 녹취록

to survive. 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:24.800 I didn't think it was fighting. 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:35.040 I go anybody talk shit on me, even though I knew I couldn't take anybody down in the wrestling room because I sucked, I knew that if you didn't know how to wrestle, I'll fuck you up. 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:41.680 So when I'd get in a fight, I'd double leg a dude right away and hold him down until the principal broke it up and I survived. 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:42.720 I thought it was cheating. 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:43.759 I'm like, whatever. 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:45.040 I'm cheating, whatever. 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:47.920 Like, you didn't make me cry in front of the school. 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:54.319 So when I saw the damn wrestling and takedowns, I was like, You could fight that way? 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:59.040 When I was watching Hoist going, oh my god, you could take guys to the ground? 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:00.160 Fuck damn. 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:02.879 That's legit, and you're not considered a pussy? 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:05.199 I go, that's for me, because that's what I used to do. 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:11.199 And when I showed up to Jean-Jacques for the first time, I had been doing karate for like nine months. 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:16.160 I had one stripe on my white belt, and I thought I was the shit training six months. 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:21.759 I thought I was like, man, I trained six fucking months, not three, not four, six months. 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:23.120 You know what I mean? 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:30.720 I thought, okay, either this jujitsu shit is prehistoric wrestling or super advanced wrestling. 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:33.040 Because I thought, like, how are they gonna hold me down? 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:35.519 I wrestled two years, these motherfuckers doing karate. 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:37.279 Okay, let's see. 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:40.639 I thought I could just throw people off me if they try to get on top of me. 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:54.319 So again, I I came in on the fence like either this is prehistoric wrestling, either wrestling wrestlers are gonna fuck these guys up, or it's super advanced wrestling that's gonna overtake traditional wrestling. 00:05:54.480 --> 00:06:08.240 And I went in there, Johnny paired me up with you, and I don't know how many times you tapped me out, but I like to say 27 times because I like I don't remember the exact amount, but I say it like I know like I counted, like there was a like a- That's what it felt like. 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:09.360 It felt like 27 times. 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:11.040 Sometimes I say 35 times. 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:19.199 I go, this motherfucker, I went in, he was a purple belt, and back then, people don't realize the timeline of jujitsu. 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:25.600 The timeline is like basically jujitsu was born 1994, UFC 2. 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:26.800 That's when it was born. 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:32.639 Sure, it was in Brazil and all

over the world and Japan for fucking 100 years or whatever. 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:36.079 But in the United States, nobody knew shit about jujitsu. 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:37.279 Only a couple people. 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:45.600 Once somebody in New York, Carly Gracie, I think was in San Francisco. 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:46.879 He had like six students. 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:49.360 Nobody knew what the fuck jujitsu was. 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:57.279 UFC2 blows up, and then all of a sudden, jujitsu's like fucking like Nirvana and fucking smells like Teen Sparrow. 00:06:57.360 --> 00:06:59.839 It changed the fucking world. 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:06.240 And then everybody joined the there was only a couple of jiu-jitsu schools, everybody joined them. 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:18.639 Like they like we had the Machados here, and then I think the Hickson, couple guys, but everybody was a white belt, and there was a few blue belts, and there was one purple belt. 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:22.800 There was no purple, there was like purple belts were like a fucking myth. 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:27.519 In the beginning, everybody was just it was the white belts and a couple blue belts. 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:30.639 And if you made it the purple, like how the fuck did you get the purple? 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:38.240 When I walked in 1994, walked into jujitsu, Dave Meyer, he was the one purple belt at the school. 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:40.959 There was only one, and then Silvio became a purple too. 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:42.079 So there was like two. 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:49.600 Now it's a we that's a weird ass story how he, the Brazilian, ended up in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu through catch wrestling, through Jam Belt. 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:53.199 Yeah, Silvio is like an anomaly. 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:54.720 There's only one Silvio. 00:07:54.800 --> 00:08:03.439 Yeah, there's only one, and then there was also what about dudes that were already black belts in Japanese jiu-jitsu, which is different. 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:04.319 That was you. 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:10.959 So tell me, I know you probably told the story a million times, but to me, I walk in, you're the only purple belt. 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:18.240 Johnny says, Dave, wrestle with this fucking new guy, and you fucked me up over and over and over. 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:19.839 But I didn't injure you. 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:21.040 No, you didn't injure me. 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:21.519 Exactly. 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:27.439 But to me, I loved it because I came from wrestling, and I'm a musician. 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:34.559 So I understand that when you practice something that you suck at, you can get good at it if you practice it. 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:37.919 You learn that in wrestling, you learn that in music. 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:43.600 Practice makes perfect, or almost perfect, or close to perfect. 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:44.559 Gets you better. 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:45.440 Yes. 00:08:45.759 -->

00:08:47.039 And so I knew that. 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:51.120 So when you fucked me up, I'm like, oh my God, I'm gonna master this shit. 00:08:51.279 --> 00:09:01.519 And one day, my first goal in jujitsu in the beginning was to be able to fuck up a dude on his first day and do what you did to me, that was my first goal. 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:11.039 I want to be able to do that to someone who walked in on the first day because I knew the dudes that come in on their first day, that's 99.99999999999. 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:12.639 Everybody of everybody in the world. 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:13.200 That's right. 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:13.840 That's right. 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:22.960 So if dude comes in, even if he has some athletic background and I can fuck that dude up, that means damn on the streets, if something went down, the odds are in my favor. 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:25.120 You'd want to put a couple of dollars on my side. 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:28.879 And that was my first goal is to wreck, to do what you did to me. 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:29.279 All right. 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:29.919 On the first day. 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:33.360 I'm glad your first goal wasn't to do it back to me, which you eventually did. 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:34.720 No, no, you, you did. 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:38.159 No, you were you were like, there's no way I'm gonna beat this guy. 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:39.360 No, it was like there wasn't. 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:42.000 I thought like one day I'm gonna beat this. 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:44.080 Like, dude, you were so far ahead of me. 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:48.320 I'm like, I'm not even worried about you because I ain't gonna run into you at the fucking in the alley. 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:52.240 I know, I know you ain't gonna be at the raves fucking boom bumping into me. 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:53.440 It's gonna be some other dude. 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:54.799 So I wasn't worried about you, right? 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:59.120 I wasn't worried about the people fucking me up in class because I knew those aren't the guys I have to worry about. 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:03.200 These are my training partners slash training equipment. 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:06.639 That's my squat rack, that's my bench press. 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:09.519 These guys are my workout instruments. 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:13.759 I'm not gonna fight these guys on the street, these guys are gonna prepare me for the guys on the street. 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:14.799 So that's how I looked at it. 00:10:15.279 --> 00:10:17.919 So it didn't bother me getting wrecked by you. 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:22.399 I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna be able to do this one day. 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:28.240 Oh my god, because I've been a pussy my whole life, and now I'm gonna have like non-pussy powers. 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:30.240 So that's why I got obsessed. 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:31.440 That's why because of you. 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:32.879 I appreciate that. 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:37.759 And I remember, I mean, we talk about just me watching you get better and better, and we'll talk. 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:39.519 I've got questions about your creativity and stuff. 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:41.679 You're just I'm so proud. 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:43.679 I don't have anything to do with how good you got. 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:46.320 That's your hard work, that's Jean-Jacques, stuff like that. 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:47.360 But I'm just so proud of you. 00:10:47.440 --> 00:10:48.960 I was so proud when you beat Hoyler. 00:10:49.039 --> 00:10:50.639 I'm so proud of everything that you've done. 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:53.759 I it's just I really, really have just watched you. 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:55.039 I'm just so proud of you. 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:55.840 I appreciate that. 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:57.919 So I started in jiu-jitsu as a little kid. 00:10:58.080 --> 00:10:59.440 My brother was being bullied. 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:05.120 My parents, we had a cousin who was at this school in Valley College, this guy named Jack Seki. 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:05.519 Oh, Jujitsu. 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:06.320 My parents put in Japan. 00:11:06.639 --> 00:11:07.600 Japanese jujitsu. 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:09.200 My br my parents put me in. 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:17.519 I was a little kid, so I grew up doing jujitsu, and I was bullied a bit, and the jiu-jitsu helped me growing up, but I was kind of known as the guy to not fuck with in high school and stuff. 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:18.320 Really? 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:25.759 Because there was this one guy, Greg, who tried to bully me in seventh grade in front of all the other guys. 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:32.320 We were playing basketball, it was like summer school going into seventh grade at Millican Junior High School, and he took the ball, and he's like, I'm not giving you the ball. 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:35.679 And all my friends look over at me because like David's the jujitsu guy, right? 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:37.039 And they say, What are you gonna do? 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:38.159 So I'm like, oh shit. 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:39.840 And he's just like tough guy. 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:40.799 Everyone's scared of him. 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:42.399 I'm like, give me the ball back, right? 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:44.000 And he goes, No, make me. 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:46.159 And I'm like, give me the ball back. 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:49.279 And he said something like, Let's fight for it. 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:50.559 And I'm like, I don't want to fight. 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:52.159 And he said, So you're a chicken. 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:55.039 And I remember saying to him, Well, would you fight a chicken? 00:11:55.200 --> 00:12:00.799 Like, I just wanted to, and he said, like, yeah, and that kind of pissed me off, like, really, like you're a bully? 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:14.559 And I just walked right up to him and smacked him, his jaw went up, he kneed him in the

stomach, took him in a front headlock, pulling him up like he's having a hard time breathing, kneed him in the stomach again, put him on the ground, and I'm like, give me the fucking. 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:19.360 And I like when I got the ball, and I kind of looked at him and like, you know, gave it back to my friends, and that was that. 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:21.840 And that story, of course, got all around school. 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:23.200 That you became a legend. 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:24.879 Nobody would ever mess with me. 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:25.600 Yeah, that's true. 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:26.639 That was nice in high school. 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:28.320 That was like junior high in high school. 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:31.759 So I was teaching, I was never doing it for a living, never wanted to do it for a living. 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:33.039 I was gonna be a musician. 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:35.039 That's what my dad was a musician. 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:38.960 My dad wrote songs that were recorded by Billy Holliday. 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:39.759 Oh shit. 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:44.000 Yeah, and like all these people of his era, Tony Bennett and stuff like that. 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:44.639 Oh shit. 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:47.679 My dad was a musician, like in New York before I was born, right? 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:48.080 Damn. 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:53.360 Then he'd moved back out to the West Coast to raise his kids in the sun because he was from California and he got out of the music business. 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:56.799 Although he did voice coaching for Elvis Presley in the movies. 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:00.240 I got pictures of my dad with Elvis Presley as his voice coach in the movie. 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:04.240 So I grew up in the shadow of this like music, you know, thing. 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:05.600 That's how I got into music. 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:06.879 I know we didn't, we never talked about it. 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:07.600 That's the one thing. 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:14.399 Like, I've known this guy forever, and he I came into jujitsu as a wannabe rock star, and you never brought up music to me. 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:15.200 It's crazy. 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:17.279 I always thought it was cool that you did music. 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:19.519 I remember how long your hair was when you came in. 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:19.759 Yeah. 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.000 Like you had this braided hair that's even braided, like went down to the center of your back. 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:27.360 And you used to my the bottom lower back dog. 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:29.360 I'm telling you, it's crazy. 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:30.399 Come on. 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:36.000 And then you would twist it up and wear and like put it in a bun or something, and then wear a shower cap over it to hold your hand. 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:38.159 Not a shower cap, not a swim cap. 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:39.840 So this is what happened with that. 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.399 When I got into jujitsu, I had long hair down at my waist. 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:42.639 Yeah. 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:44.720 I was like, I'm trying to be a rock star. 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:46.320 I'm in Hollywood to be a rock star. 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:49.600 I'm doing jujitsu and martial arts just to stay in shape. 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:52.960 And I'm into martial arts without even doing it. 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:54.960 I was like a Bruce Lee fanatic. 00:13:55.120 --> 00:14:03.200 But now I'm doing it to stay in shape because I'm gonna get a record deal and I'm gonna be playing a Detroit Tiger Stadium, and I don't want to be fat and out of shape. 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:04.879 So I got to do something to stay in shape. 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:10.320 So the martial arts were just first it was, you know, I tried weightlifting, I'm like, ah, fuck weightlifting. 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:11.679 And then I got into karate. 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:17.039 Then I saw UFC 2, and I'm like, okay, karate and shit, let me go to jujitsu. 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:28.960 So I had long ass hair, so it's hard to grapple with long hair, you know, because imagine, even if you got a superior position, you had long hair down to your waist, you got a superior position. 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:34.320 I mount, if I mount a guy, but my hair's hanging, he's gonna grab my hair and just yank it and pull it. 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:44.000 So I always thought, like, damn, my I'm learning this awesome martial art, this ground fighting martial art, but my hair is gonna fuck me up. 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:53.600 But I kept it and I would tie it up and I would put it in a ponytail and then tie it up like in an Axl Rose Brett Michaels type bandana. 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:55.360 It was like a black and white one. 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:56.080 You know those bandanas? 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:56.399 Yeah. 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:59.360 There's like blue ones, there's red ones, but they're like gangster bandanas. 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:02.559 I always had a black one because I ain't trying to claim no gang. 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:04.720 I didn't want to wear a red one and get killed by a crip. 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:07.200 I wear a blue one and blood's coming after me. 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:11.200 I'm like, dude, I'm just trying to get bronze medal, and these want to kill me. 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:12.639 I wore a black one. 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:19.919 And then one dude at this was in the valley, but the headquarters, the Machado headquarters was still in Redondo. 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:20.960 That was the first school. 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:25.039 The the Valley, the Tarzana school was like a satellite. 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:25.360 Right. 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:26.720 And that's where I went. 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:30.639 And but every now and then, like I would go to fucking HQ. 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:37.919 I'd go to the motherland, so I could tell

the people at the satellite school in the valley that, yeah, I'm going to HQ. 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:39.039 I'm above you guys. 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:40.159 Like, I'm actually going to H. 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:45.840 I'm making that crazy drive from Hollywood to Hermosa Beach in traffic. 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:47.440 That could take an hour and a half. 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:50.720 I'm at Redondo one day and it's right on the beach. 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:53.519 That school was like literally two blocks from the beach. 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:53.919 Right. 00:15:54.080 --> 00:16:01.519 And a dude there who was like a diver, like a deep sea scuba diver, said, Yo, you should wear a Jacques Cousteau scuba diver. 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:02.240 That's right. 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:03.039 Now I remember. 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:03.519 That's right. 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:08.720 So it was basically a fucking deep sea diver hood. 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:09.600 I remember now. 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:12.240 Like a rubber thing for my hair. 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:17.360 Because my hair, because it was hard to deal with the hair with the bandana and the hair tied up halfway through rolls. 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:18.399 I'm always doing my hair. 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:21.360 I'm always fucking so it was a hassle. 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:23.519 It must have been so fucking hot. 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:24.559 So it was a problem. 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:25.519 So I remember it. 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:27.279 So grappling with long hair was a problem. 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.720 And the guys that had the long hair, they all did different things. 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:37.360 And I was doing the ponytail and then the Brett Michaels, and it would just fall off. 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:40.639 And then he was like, dude, wear a diver's hood. 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:42.000 And I'm like, what? 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:47.120 So I put on a I look like I'm Jacques Rousteau about to go do some deep sea diving. 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:47.759 I remember now. 00:16:47.919 --> 00:17:01.200 But what I did was is I put big ass oversized wrestling ear guards over it to hide the fact that I was wearing a deep sea diving hood. 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:03.600 Because I didn't need the ear guards. 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:04.240 I didn't need it. 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:06.400 Oh protected me. 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:06.640 Yeah. 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:07.920 The rubber protected me. 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:14.480 I had no need for ear guards, but the ear guards would disguise no one knew it was a diverse hood. 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:17.279 They just see the big ass ear guards and like some thing underneath. 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:20.400 But if I took them out, I would look like Jacques Rousseau. 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:22.079 I remember when you finally cut your hair. 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:23.680 I'm like, geez, that took you long enough. 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:24.400 97. 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:25.519 Yeah, it took you long enough. 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:28.640 But anyway, so I had I was doing Japanese jujitsu. 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:29.279 I was known. 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:33.519 I had a club just for the fun of it, but I taught like not a lot of money, nothing like that. 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:36.559 And then I don't want to tell, I don't want to tell this whole story. 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:39.680 Basically, a guy walks in and says, Have you ever heard of the Gracie's? 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:40.480 I'm like, never heard of him. 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:40.799 What is it? 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:42.319 And he shows me the Gracie Jiu-Jitsu in action. 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:43.920 And you're you're in your school teaching. 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:46.559 Yeah, it's it's a class I would teach at a center. 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:46.960 Oh, okay. 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:49.279 A guy walks in, he looks like a rough guy. 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:50.160 He's watching the class. 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:51.680 I'm like, all right, this is gonna be interesting. 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:53.759 Afterwards, he said, You ever heard of the Gracie's? 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:55.440 I'm like, no, who are they? 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:55.599 Right? 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:59.039 This we're talking now 1989, like something, or 89. 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:00.720 Because UFC 2 was 94. 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:02.720 This is before this is before the UFC win. 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:04.720 No one had heard of anything. 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:09.680 And he's like, shows me this tape, and I look at it, and I'm like, oh no, those guys are tough. 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:10.559 That's jujitsu. 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:19.599 He's like getting, they're like stomping guys' knees and putting them on the hard floor and then getting onto what I would have called Tate Shihogatami, which is the mount, four corner hold. 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:19.839 Yeah. 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:22.720 And like the dudes are tough, but I couldn't appreciate from the tape. 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:24.559 I'm like, those are like badass jiu-jitsu guys. 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:25.920 I'm a badass jiu-jitsu guy, whatever. 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:27.759 And he goes, no, no, no, there's something really good going on. 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:29.200 And he rolls with me. 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:30.960 And I have a really hard time with him. 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:36.160 Now he's a big athletic guy, did some wrestling, but it took me a while to get him. 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:38.240 So I'm like, how long have you been training? 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:40.400 And he says, like, three months. 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:41.119 With who? 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:42.000 Hickson. 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:42.240 Oh. 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:43.359 And I'm like, you're lying. 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:45.920 And he's like, no, no, I've been taking private lessons with this guy, Hickson. 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:47.680 I'm like, then

there's something going on there. 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:48.960 It's just unbelievable to me. 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:51.519 I've been training since I was six years old and had a hard time. 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:53.119 So he gives me Hickson's number. 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:54.160 So I call up Hickson. 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:56.960 Hickson's super nice on the phone and say, hey, I just met one of your students. 00:18:57.119 --> 00:18:58.559 I'd like to come and take a private. 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:00.240 He's super nice to me, blah, blah, blah. 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:01.119 And I'm in the valley. 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:02.400 I would live in the valley, right? 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:03.759 And he's out in Redondo. 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:08.960 And he says, it's like, I think it was like$100 or$150 for a private. 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:11.599 Back then, that was like a month's training, right? 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:13.359 That was a lot of money. 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:15.759 And I'm like, man, this guy's good, but he's not that good. 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:16.880 And I forgot about it. 00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:17.759 I like, I don't care. 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:18.799 Forget it. 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:24.559 Then, like two months later, some one of my old students who I know comes back who'd been training with Higgin. 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:25.759 Higgin uh Machado. 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:28.079 This is before Jean-Jacques came into the States. 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:30.000 And he said, dude, have you heard of these guys? 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:31.279 They're like the Machado's, the Grace. 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:32.400 Yeah, I just heard of them. 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:34.880 And but I don't like, I kind of don't like the challenge thing. 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:35.759 And it was too much money. 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:38.240 And he goes, No, these the Machado guys are not doing the challenge. 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:39.680 They're just like cool dudes. 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:41.359 And I wrestle with him. 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:42.400 And I beat him. 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:44.319 But similarly, again, he had been my student. 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:45.839 He had gotten so good. 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:48.559 So I gotta check this out, gotta check this out. 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:50.880 So finally, one day I get over to the Valley School. 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:52.799 This was before Tarzan, where you started. 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:53.039 Yeah. 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:54.960 This was in the Street Village. 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:57.759 This was Encino, their first school that Chuck Norris arranged for. 00:19:58.000 --> 00:19:59.519 And it was still Carlos Gracie Jr. 00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:00.960 It was called Craig Carlos. 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:01.599 Exactly. 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:02.079 That's right. 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:06.559 And I walk in there, and the first night I went in there, you mentioned about how the like the bad traffic and shit.

00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:08.400 It's a totally rainy night in Los Angeles. 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:13.279 I walk in there and they say like the Machados can't make it because like the freeways are flooded. 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:16.880 And there's some purple belt guy from Australia who's teaching the class. 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:18.000 And like, what's this? 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:19.200 Like, I'm a black belt. 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:25.759 I came here to meet these guys, and there's some weird purple belt from Australian named John Will teaching the class in from Australia. 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:33.599 So I said, Hey, sir, I'm gonna put on a white belt just to respect you, because I'm actually black belt, but you're teaching the class, you're a purple belt, I'll put on a white belt. 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:36.319 And he taught a really good class, and then he wrestles with me. 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:39.599 And he wiped the mat with me, like I did with you. 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:41.279 Tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:43.680 And I'm like, wait, you're a purple belt? 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:45.039 How good are the black belts? 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:47.599 And he said, Why don't you come back and find out? 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:50.880 The next day I come back, like two days later, and Hagen is there. 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:51.359 Oh my god. 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:53.599 And that was my experience, also like yours. 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:58.319 Hagin is now this we're talking to like a young mid-20s year old Highan. 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:01.359 Oh no, no, back then he was like 190. 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:01.920 Oh, okay. 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:02.880 And I was 180. 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:04.319 I mean it was similar size. 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:07.519 And he was the current four-time champion in Brazil. 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:08.880 He was in his peak. 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:09.279 Yeah. 00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:12.000 And super nicest guy in the world. 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:12.319 Yeah. 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:17.519 And we start rolling, and he's very respectful, like my jujitsu, my black belt, all that stuff. 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:20.079 And he starts playing with me without using his hands. 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:26.960 And he's putting me in triangles and shoulder locks and shit without and sweeping me without using his hands, just with his legs. 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:28.000 And he's not getting it. 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:32.319 I was talking about this drill today for the first time, and like I brought it up today. 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:33.200 The drill. 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:35.119 Because everyone's talking about like ecological. 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:36.400 And I'm like, you know what I mean? 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:37.039 Live drills? 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:39.599 It's like, why are you changing why are you calling it ecological now? 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:40.559 Just live drills. 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:41.920 Like, oh,

they're games now. 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:42.960 Oh, they're games? 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:44.240 They're just live drills. 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:45.759 It's like standard in jujitsu. 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:46.079 Yeah, yeah. 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:46.960 Oh, they're games now? 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:48.000 Yeah, there's nothing to do. 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:48.880 Exactly. 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:58.559 Like, like, so we were just talking about that today, and I'm like, you know, the first game I learned was passing the guard, but the guy on bottom could only use his legs and not his hands. 00:21:58.720 --> 00:21:59.599 That's how you get a good guard. 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:01.039 Yeah, we were talking about that today. 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:01.759 He just brought it up. 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:04.160 So he would toyed with me, toyed with me. 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:05.119 I just couldn't believe it. 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:08.400 And I remember I had my school, it wasn't my professional school, I was doing it for fun. 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:10.559 And I trained, I signed up immediately. 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:12.960 I think Carlos was there too, Carlos Machado. 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:18.000 Maybe a month or two later, Jean-Jacques showed up for the first time, didn't speak a word of English. 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:21.119 He was probably in his mid-20s, but he looked so skinny and young. 00:22:21.279 --> 00:22:22.480 And people don't know this. 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:24.480 He was the main instructor of Gracie Baja. 00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:26.240 Like everybody loved Jean-Jacques. 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:29.759 When he left, he basically handed the school over to Carlos Gracie Jr., right? 00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:31.279 Who now does IBGJF. 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:35.119 And Jean-Jacques is this little guy, doesn't speak a word of English, just smiling. 00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:36.640 And I'm like, what's this gonna be like? 00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:38.559 It's still 89, 90? 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:40.160 This would have been now 990. 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:40.400 Okay. 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:41.119 I think 90. 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:43.200 Still four years before the explosion. 00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:44.400 Yeah, exactly. 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:49.599 And I wrestled with Jean-Jacques, and he's like, well, you know, he's just unbelievable. 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:51.200 And but he doesn't speak English. 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:53.039 So all he's doing is just like smiling. 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:55.119 He's just smiling at me, smiling. 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:56.799 And so that was how I got into it. 00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:58.079 That's why I got in early. 00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:00.000 And then I was there when the UFC started out. 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:03.279 We sat and watched with Machado Brothers, the first UFC. 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:04.720 I never I never trained with Hoyce. 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:11.519 It wasn't part of his training because there was

like this friction between the Machados over the name, and Hoyce was with Horian. 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:13.599 And there was a little bit of friction going on there at the time. 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:15.119 But anyway, that's how I got in. 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:16.319 That's why I was a purple button. 00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:19.200 I was the most senior guy in the valley, but I had started training. 00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:23.680 I also wanted to be, I actually moved down to Redondo Beach to train with like the good guys. 00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:24.960 Yeah, the mothership. 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:28.319 Well, Bob Bass, you know, and that's where the five brothers were. 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:29.920 And I mean, I could tell you so many stories. 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:33.680 But I just wanted to say something about the Johnny assigning me on you or whatever. 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:37.920 There was a rule at that time, like you you want to show people why they're there. 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:38.240 Yes. 00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:38.640 Right? 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:41.839 So you don't want to hurt somebody, but like you gotta show them why they're there. 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:43.440 No, no, we do that here all the time. 00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:45.359 A new guy comes in, he wants to try it out. 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:50.960 I'll send him a guy, go just only get them in stuff that's unorthodox. 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:52.079 That's what I do. 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:58.960 Like when I went and taught Sheik Tak Noon, he flew me out because he flies out a bunch of jujitsu guys back in the day, not so much anymore. 00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:01.519 You know, the creator and the founder of ADCC. 00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:02.799 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:03.200 The prince. 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:04.160 Yeah, the prince. 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:10.880 When I went out there, I was just like, I'm just gonna it, I'm only gonna use stuff that he's never seen before. 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:16.160 Just like twister stuff, yeah, electric chair, rubber guard stuff, just to sell the product, really. 00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:17.039 And that's what you guys are doing. 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:17.920 That's what it was. 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:18.160 Yeah. 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:22.319 And we had a job to do when you were, you were just like a regular person coming in to check it out. 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:26.160 But a lot of times, especially before the UFC, yeah, people were coming to fight us. 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:26.559 Yeah. 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:30.240 And we would tell them, like, that's not us, that's Hickson, you're in the wrong school. 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:32.480 But you know, the school said Gracie on it, right? 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:34.640 And people came ready for a fight. 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:41.440 They wanted to fight, and like Higgin would assign me, like he would used to call me his big fish, like, you gotta go through my guy. 00:24:41.599

--> 00:24:46.480 And guys would be biting, eye gouging, pressure point, I mean, full contact. 00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:48.079 So you were the gatekeeper. 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:55.759 It's so funny because I was down at John Jocks recently, and you know Mark Armstrong, his black, he was telling people that I was the enforcer, right? 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:57.759 Yeah, so and it just depended. 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:00.720 If the person was really famous, you'd they'd go right to Higgin or what. 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:08.400 But if it's just some Yahoo who wants to fight, and I had this thing where, okay, so they're coming in, they're trying to take my head off. 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:09.359 Yeah, no problem. 00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:10.720 I'm gonna go in under the radar. 00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:12.799 And I also had a whole lifetime of fighting. 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:14.880 Yeah, so that's why Higgin would kind of trust me with that. 00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:20.400 Yeah, so I wasn't just like a blue belt in jujitsu, I was a good black belt hide kickbox I could fight. 00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:27.039 I'd get in under the radar, take the person down, you know the story, get on top, get on the mount, they turn their back, slap, slap, slap, choke them out, right? 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:28.240 They're like, I'm gonna go again. 00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:28.960 And I'm like, oh. 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:30.319 Three times, always three. 00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:32.000 That's exactly my story. 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:32.960 So here's the thing. 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:36.480 So then the second time we do it again, but now they're cautious, Eddie, right? 00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:38.720 Yeah, now they're like, well, well, it's not there's something going on here. 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:42.640 So they're being a little standoff as they're trying to pick their strikes, still trying to take my head off. 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:43.599 But I'd still get them. 00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:48.480 Might get nicked or something, but still get them, or they'd be throwing their spinning back kick or spinning back fist. 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:49.599 You gotta watch out for that shit. 00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:51.680 Take them down, choke them at again. 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:53.599 Then he says, I want to go one more time. 00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:55.599 And at that point, I would say, listen, bro. 00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:56.319 One more time. 00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:59.200 You have tapped, I would say you have tapped out twice. 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:04.720 I cannot tap out to your foot when it's a half an inch away from my breaking my face, right? 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:08.319 So I'm risking injury every time, and I'm I've let you go twice. 00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:12.720 So if you want to go a third time, I will go with you a third time, but I will not let you go. 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:13.920 I'm going to injure you. 00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:14.880 So it's up to you. 00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:21.680 If

you want to do it a third time and you think the third time's a charm and you think you can take me, but I'm not gonna let you tap again, I'm going to break your arm. 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:25.119 Nobody ever, ever, ever took me on the third one. 00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:26.400 And I would have. 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:28.319 I mean, I fucked up some people's arms. 00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:31.200 We had people come through who needed to be injured, and we would do that back at the time. 00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:32.319 I got stories about that too. 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:38.240 In fact, it's really funny, it's one of the only times I remember Jean-Jacques being upset with me. 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:42.799 The other one I told you before the story, or before we started recording, and I won't tell that story. 00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:46.240 But so we were supposed to like impress people. 00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:49.599 But sometimes when someone like important would come through, like you have respect. 00:26:49.759 --> 00:27:05.279 Like Bill Wallace, you know, Bill Superfoot Wallace, they had told me the story of Chuck Norris had brought Bill Superfoot to chain and he had some judo stuff and said they were nice to him, and he walked away not really appreciating it, like saying stuff like, Oh, those guys are good, but it's nothing new. 00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:08.880 Yeah, and so they told me, like, don't do that, don't let that go. 00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:13.920 So Mike Swain, who was a world you know, judo champion and his Swain mats and stuff. 00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:14.799 I knew Mike. 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.039 He came by to train at John Jock's place. 00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:20.880 It was in Tarzana, not exactly where you started, they were in a different uh unit in there. 00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:21.119 Yeah. 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:24.079 And John Jacques says, Okay, he's yours. 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:29.119 But I knew Mike and I respected him, and so I wanted to like be nice. 00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:35.119 And so we trained, and he was a good judo guy, but I put him in my guard and almost put him in the triangle, did a few things, whatever. 00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:36.319 I was just showing the stuff. 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:41.039 I just thought I'll be cool, I'll impress him, but I'm not gonna like I don't want to embarrass him, right? 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:47.039 We're done, and like he's tired, and then Jean-Jacques's looking at me, and I'm like, I want to be respectful. 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:48.799 So Jean-Jacques says, Mike, let's train. 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:50.799 And Mike says, No, I'm sorry, I'm tired. 00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:57.200 And it's like, so he didn't train with Jean-Jacques, he didn't get the best of me, and Jean-Jacques read me the act after that. 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:01.039 Like, dude, when I set you to train with someone, you gotta show them why they're there. 00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:02.079 And I felt really bad about that. 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:03.119 But Mike appreciates it. 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:05.119 Mike's a great guy, he understands the power. 00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:10.880 And I don't know, like after UFC started, which is when you came in, those challenges stopped. 00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:12.480 The real fight challenges stopped. 00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:16.559 What we then had was Gene bringing Go-Kar's people in, right? 00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:19.759 And all and Bart Vale, I don't know if you know heard that story. 00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:21.920 Gene brought in Bart Vale. 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:23.279 Bart Vale gets on the mat. 00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:32.640 This was an encino with Higgin, and throws a spinning back kick and just grazes Higgin's nose, and like Higgin, like, are we fighting or is this grappling? 00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:35.519 And Bart Vale kind of smiled and said, No, no, no, I'm just playing. 00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:37.519 And Higgin was like, no. 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:42.079 And Higin gets in there, pulls Bart Vale to the guard, and dislocates Bart Vale shorter. 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:43.119 Bart Vale's gigantic. 00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:43.759 I don't know if you remember. 00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:44.400 No, no, I remember. 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:45.200 It's gigantic. 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:45.599 Yeah. 00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:51.440 So we had we had like challenges, but they after the UFC, they weren't actual fight challenges. 00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:57.039 They were more like Gene always bringing some crazy ass guy to see can they beat the Machados? 00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:58.079 Can they beat the Machados? 00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:00.559 Didn't he bring in like Ken Shamrock in once too? 00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:02.160 Oh my god, I was there. 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:04.480 Okay, so I don't know if it was Geneva. 00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:07.200 Yes, that's exactly right. 00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:09.279 Okay, this is so funny you remember that. 00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.119 I didn't know that Gene set that up. 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:12.720 Okay, so this was in Redondo Beach. 00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:19.680 Higgin calls me, calls Bob, says, gotta get it, gotta get into the school, train today, because Ken Shamrock's coming by. 00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:22.480 And I'm like, cool, I want to roll with Ken Shamrock, right? 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:28.720 So we get to the school in Redondo Beach, and me, I think Rick Williams might have been there, who got his black belt same day as me. 00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:30.400 Maybe Chris Howder might have been there. 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:32.160 So I don't remember what belt we were at the time. 00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:33.839 We were probably purple belts or something at the time. 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:34.720 95. 00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:36.640 Brown belts, maybe purple or brown. 00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:38.160 I think I got my black belt in 96. 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.039 Same day as Howder, same day as Rick Williams. 00:29:41.279

--> 00:29:46.559 So we're all ready to go, and in comes Ken Shamrock, who we had seen at the UFC. 00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:48.079 Big dude. 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:50.480 And he's with Funaki? 00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:51.440 Is that the guy's name? 00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:56.480 Like the founder of Pancras, a similar Japanese fighter, like these two monsters come in. 00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.960 And all these little Japanese guys with cameras, like the press, the media. 00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:02.559 It's the Bradano, the little school. 00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:03.119 Yeah, yeah. 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:04.720 So it was kind of hole in wall school, right? 00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:08.960 So they're all sitting in the front on the street side, they're all there, and I'm like, holy shit. 00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:12.480 And then we're we're looking at Higgin like, let me go, Higgin, let me take him first. 00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:14.160 Like, I'm your big fish, I'm your big fish. 00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:18.319 And because we all just wanted the chance to get Shamrock to see if we could. 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:22.319 And he's like, no, because if there were cameras and stuff, he wanted to be sure this was done right. 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:27.119 Johnny was there, Jean-Jacques was there, Carl, I think he, I think all the brothers there, Carlos was there. 00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:31.279 So now I gotta say, Ken was very respectful. 00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:34.160 Like he he was very nice, very contrite. 00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:39.519 He put on a ghee, which he didn't have to do, and he started rolling with the brothers with the ghee. 00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:42.480 And obviously, you know, so he started with the Higgin. 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:44.079 Higin taps him out, of course. 00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:48.000 He may tell this separately, he may remember this differently, but this is how I remember it. 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:51.519 The Machado, they tapped him out and tapped out the Japanese guy. 00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:56.720 Then Jean-Jacques, the smaller of the brothers, gets in there, taps them out too. 00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:58.960 Did Funaki also put a gi on? 00:30:59.119 --> 00:30:59.359 Yeah. 00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:00.559 That's my memory. 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.359 And then, although memory's a weird thing, but yeah, that's my memory. 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:05.440 And then they said, Can we take the ghee off? 00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:06.480 Which I thought was fine. 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:09.279 And so they did that, and then Higgin rolled with him without the ghee. 00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:12.640 I don't remember how it went, but the Matados definitely did not lose. 00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:18.000 And and I just remember being impressed that those guys came in and they like they checked it out, right? 00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:19.039 They didn't, they they're evil. 00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:19.920 You wanted to feel it. 00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:20.799 They wanted to feel it. 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.759 Well that rimatch was coming up and he wanted to get a gauge. 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:25.359 Like, damn, what yeah is this? 00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:28.400 What kind of a danger am I facing here? 00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:38.079 Yeah, so but we didn't get like we were all so frustrated because we were all like, I don't know, like dogs held back on leashes, like I want to go, but Higgin didn't unleash us. 00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:42.319 But yeah, I remember that, and that was the kind of thing that would happen all the time back then, right? 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:44.000 Okay, so enough on stories like that. 00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:46.240 I want to talk about 10th planet and stuff and you. 00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:46.559 Okay. 00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:49.839 But I because I could go all day long on and we could sometimes. 00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:50.799 I've got tons of stories. 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:52.880 I got crazy shit stories. 00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:55.119 I can tell you, like, or Higgin would put me to WrestleGuys. 00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:56.720 Okay, I'll tell you one that you'll appreciate. 00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:58.240 Rico Rodriguez, right? 00:31:58.559 --> 00:31:59.279 Remember Rico. 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:00.000 He started training. 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:03.519 Let's see, heavyweight champion, Rico Rodriguez. 00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:06.799 Randy Couture, who, by the way, I'm gonna be interviewing next week at in Vegas. 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:07.440 Hell yeah. 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:07.759 Yeah. 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:09.680 Higgin tells me to come on down. 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:11.599 Rico's there, I've never met the guy. 00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:13.039 He's big, right? 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.599 He was like two, I don't know, 240, 250, big. 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:17.440 Depending on what era, Rico. 00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:19.440 Rico came in like over 300 pounds. 00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:23.119 Okay, so he might have been like 280, but that sounded much. 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:24.480 Okay, so he was around 280. 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:25.839 So I'm like 180, whatever. 00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:29.200 Higgin introduces me to him, says he's a wrestler, wants to train jiu-jitsu. 00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:29.759 He's training. 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.160 And I'm just listening to Rico, and there was another Rico too. 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:34.160 Rico Chopparelli used to turn to this also. 00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:36.160 High-level D1 wrestler. 00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.640 Super high level, great instructor. 00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:44.160 I took a few classes with Rico Caparelli, but I never, he was never, I don't think he was doing much of jujitsu grappling on the ground. 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:45.440 I think he was teaching wrestling. 00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:48.480 But Rico Rodriguez wanted to learn jujitsu. 00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:48.880 Yes. 00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:53.920 So I'm listening to him talk to Higgin, and I'm just, I'm

like, I hate this guy. 00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:58.559 Like he's New York, New Jersey, and I could kick that guy's ass stuff. 00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:01.200 And it's like, oh, I've been taking steroids, but I got bitch tit. 00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:03.039 And I'm like, what the fuck is bitch tit? 00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:06.880 And it's like, you know what you get when you have steroids, you get like a breast or whatever. 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.599 And that's like everything about Rico Rodriguez. 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.000 When I met him that day, like I hated him. 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:14.720 I just thought, like, I'm gonna wreck him, right? 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.680 We rolled, again, Rico might remember it differently. 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:19.119 My memory was, and he had a Gion. 00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:21.440 This wasn't wrestling, obviously it was wrestling. 00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:22.880 He'd smash me, obviously. 00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:24.160 Jiu-jitsu. 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:26.240 Tap him out, tap him out, tap him out. 00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:31.519 And then kind of over the days and weeks, we start talking and we end up becoming like really close friends. 00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:33.119 Because I just kind of loved him. 00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:41.599 And he'd gone through like a breakup, and I was going through a breakup at the time, and he was teaching over at like uh he he was the managing at Gold's Gym, got me into Gold's Gym. 00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:45.759 So we become like really good friends and became training partners through a lot of that time. 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:46.400 Hell yeah. 00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:50.160 But so sometimes people come into fight and sometimes they end up becoming friends because of it, right? 00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:50.960 Yeah, all right. 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:55.599 But I want to ask you, I can tell you so many more stories about Jean-Jacques and shit like that. 00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:57.680 You know, I went and did judo competitions with them. 00:33:57.839 --> 00:33:58.400 Did you know that? 00:33:58.480 --> 00:33:59.279 I was the fifth brother. 00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:00.480 I didn't know that. 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:02.319 There was no jujitsu, right? 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:04.960 So Higgin wanted to compete, and Jan Jacques wanted to compete. 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:05.359 So they would not. 00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:06.960 You guys did Sambo too, right? 00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:07.599 They jumped in. 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:08.880 I didn't do the Sambo with them. 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:12.000 Higgin went to the National Sambo Championship with John Will. 00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:12.559 They jumped in. 00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.840 Higgin didn't even know the rules and he won, and they took second in the world. 00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:19.199 And there are rules, like you can't do certain things like in Sambo. 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:21.840 And Jan Jacques also they went to wrestling tournaments. 00:34:21.920 -->

00:34:23.920 They didn't even know the rules of wrestling or whatever. 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.280 They just said can't choke them, can't arm bar them, whatever, get them down. 00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:29.519 They won in like state wrestling stuff. 00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:34.559 And in judo, I set them up with judo tournaments, but Hajier is not in, he's the fifth brother. 00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:36.159 He is not really that into competing. 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.039 Hajier is just a musician, guy, whatever. 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:40.719 Nothing is musicians, but whatever. 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:41.840 So I was the fifth brother. 00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:43.360 So I was a blue belt at the time. 00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:45.920 And meet we started going to local judo competitions. 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:55.039 And I went with Hagen one time and I put on a black belt because I was a black belt in my style of jiu-jitsu, I was a blue belt in Brazilian jujitsu, and we wrecked people, man. 00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:57.840 I just dragged them to the ground, tapped them out, whatever. 00:34:57.920 --> 00:34:59.519 They they got smart pretty quick. 00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:01.840 They would start playing around the line, right? 00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:06.239 So they would try to enter for their throw, give the back, we'd get the back, but then they'd fall out of the line. 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:09.840 They were smart players to not let the game keep going in the middle. 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:13.920 And then the referees would like break it really fast because they saw it was going on too. 00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:19.920 But there was one time when I went with all five, all four Machado brothers, like Jean-Jacques, Carlos, John, Higgin, and me. 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:21.039 I was a fifth brother. 00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:23.760 And it was this five-person tournament, right? 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:27.519 Where it's five against five, heaviest to lightest. 00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:30.880 Doesn't matter if they're twice your weight, it's just the heaviest to lightest. 00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:32.480 And we ended up taking second. 00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:35.599 I won three of my matches, I lost two, whatever. 00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:36.719 We took second place. 00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:39.599 And I remember Jean-Jacques, like, let's get out of here. 00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:41.280 Like it was over, we spent all day there. 00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:42.960 And I'm like, no, I want to get the medal, right? 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:43.840 Second place medal. 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:48.400 And Jean-Jacques looks at me, he's like, second place is the is like the first loser. 00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:48.719 Yeah. 00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:50.800 And he says that to me, I'd never heard that before. 00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:54.880 And I looked at him and said, like, well, it's the second winner. 00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:56.079 You know what I mean? 00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:57.360 Like, I wanted my medal. 00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.000 I beat like a Pan Am judo champion that day. 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:00.880 I tapped him out. 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.159 Like, I wanted my medal. 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:03.519 But Jean-Jacques was very serious. 00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:05.119 Jean-Jacques was all about winning. 00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:09.440 So let's just talk about Hoiler for a second, because this ties into that. 00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:17.119 So you had gotten so good, and you went to the first ADCC, and it was like the shot heard around the world. 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:22.239 Before that, the biggest thing I think of in upset was Bob Bass beating Marcio Fertosa. 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.199 They were brown belts, they came for the first Pan Am. 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:27.599 Marcio Fertosa had never lost a match. 00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:29.119 Bob Bass beat him. 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:34.480 I had a really high pressure match before that with I fought Hickson's top brown belt. 00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:36.000 I had a student and we fought to a 0-0. 00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:36.880 What's his name? 00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:38.000 Mark Eckert at the time. 00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:39.280 Oh, I remember that guy, yeah. 00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:41.119 Yeah, that was a lot of pressure on me. 00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.159 I mean, I was the right weight because we had Bob Bass was brown belt. 00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:45.760 We had Chris Howter, I was the right weight. 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:46.480 I got put against him. 00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:48.239 I had Higgin in my in one corner. 00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:51.519 Hickson at the police academy in Los Angeles. 00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:53.599 And that was my first tournament. 00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:53.920 I fought. 00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:55.119 Did you fight in that tournament? 00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:55.840 Yeah, that was my first tournament. 00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:56.960 Okay, so I was a brown belt. 00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:57.280 Yeah. 00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:58.559 That's awesome, Eddie. 00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:03.760 So I don't know if you remember this, but it was like a super fight thing, and I pulled to my guard. 00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:05.519 My guard was wicked good back then. 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:10.719 Like I could sweep black belts, and Mark was like super base, as you would expect from a Hickson black belt, right? 00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:10.960 Yeah. 00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:13.119 And I just remember it was like quiet. 00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:16.639 You could hear a pin drop, and we're like fighting this technical fight, fighting this technical fight. 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:20.159 And I kept trying to set Mark up for a sweep because I was tricky. 00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:23.679 And freaking Hickson was in my head. 00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:26.159 Hickson was like, Don't lift your right knee. 00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:27.760 Put your weight on your right knee. 00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:29.039 Remove his hand. 00:37:29.199 -->

00:37:34.960 He could Hickson could see everything I was trying to set up and was correctly telling Mark exactly what to do to stop it. 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:38.000 And I almost wanted to stop the match and say, shut up. 00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:39.440 Like, get out of my head. 00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:42.559 And of course, Higgin was my side, and he couldn't pass my guard. 00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.920 And I remember like with like a minute, it was 10-minute matches, right? 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:49.280 Maybe a minute left, Higgin says to me, David, do you see? 00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:50.239 Do you see? 00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:51.760 And I'm like, what's he saying? 00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:54.159 And they're like, oh, he can't pass my guard. 00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:56.480 It's not he's not passing that guard, he can't. 00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:58.960 I need to open up now and take some chances. 00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:00.880 And so I tried to throw him into an armbar. 00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:04.480 He stands up, he gets away, we get up, I shoot in, double leg, he sprawls again. 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:06.000 I tried to pull the guard, it ends. 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:06.719 No points. 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:11.679 He was on top most of the time, because passing my guard, and that used to be what would get you the win. 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:14.320 But then I did this whole explosion at the end and all this stuff. 00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:16.880 Joe Merera was the referee. 00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:20.639 Everybody's screaming, Dave, Mark, Dave, Mark, he's got Higgin screaming in one ear. 00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:21.679 He's got Higgson screaming the other. 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:25.840 I'm like, I feel bad for Joe Morera, because those are like the two big heavyweights in the world. 00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:29.760 And then they raise Mark's hand because Hickson still had more clout. 00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:31.840 But Mark turns to me and says that was a tie. 00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:37.360 But anyway, the real biggest fight was you against Heuler. 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:43.920 Higin always said that of the Machado brothers, Jean-Jacques, pound for pound, was better than him, was the best. 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:49.119 But of the whole Gracie family, pound for pound, Hoyler was the best. 00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:50.960 And you beat him. 00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:56.400 I'm just wondering how did that like that totally it must have changed your life? 00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:58.079 What would have happened had that gone a different way? 00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:01.599 How would your life have gone differently if that the tap heard round the world? 00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:02.320 Let's just call it that. 00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:05.519 I'd be still DJing at strip clubs. 00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:06.079 Really? 00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:08.000 If that didn't happen, probably. 00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:09.760 That changed my life. 00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:11.119 It was so amazing. 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:12.079 We'll link to it. 00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:13.280 People should watch it online. 00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:19.519 You had such an unorthodox game, which I'm gonna ask you about the whole thing that turned into 10th planet and kind of where that came from. 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:21.840 But it was just phenomenal. 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:22.960 It was unbelievable. 00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:24.000 It was luck. 00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:25.199 No, I don't think so. 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:26.000 Do you know what? 00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:28.800 I remember going into it when we knew that fight was happening. 00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.760 I was saying, I think Eddie can get him, right? 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:37.519 I didn't think you were a better overall in all areas grappler than Hoyler Gracie. 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:38.079 Oh. 00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:40.159 Well, because no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.639 Well, no, because he's been doing it since he was a little kid. 00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:44.400 Well, think that as a compliment. 00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:46.639 He's been doing it since he was a little kid, right? 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:48.400 So he had this very well-randed game. 00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:56.159 But you had developed something that was so specific that you could like, if you can't stop that, I don't care how good you are, I don't care if you're Hoyler Gracie. 00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:58.960 If you can't deal with what Eddie's giving you, you're gonna tap out. 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:01.280 Gene LaBelle used to say that to me all the time. 00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:03.199 That's why he was really trying to get us in foot attacks. 00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:04.880 He was like, Dave, I don't care how good you are. 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:06.880 A guy's got nothing but a footlock. 00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:08.159 You could lose to him. 00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:09.280 I don't care if he's a white belt. 00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:11.679 If he's like a black belt at one technique, footlock. 00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:13.679 And he couldn't pass your guard. 00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:15.440 I mean, people can just watch it away. 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:17.760 He did pass my guard, actually, but I recovered. 00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:19.280 You did jailbreak or something like that. 00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:19.679 Exactly. 00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:24.000 But he did he did pass a couple times that I would recover with the jailbreak. 00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:28.079 And that was really what got me the match, that jailbreak. 00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:31.280 Because it was 45 seconds left. 00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:33.599 He was on top in my full guard. 00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:35.679 He was winning on points. 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:39.599 He didn't have to try to pass my guard and be aggressive. 00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:50.719 But because he was aggressive and didn't just ride the timeout and just beat me on points, he knee sliced into my guard and got side control.

00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:58.960 I jailbreaked him, which is a side control recovery, and it went right into overhook, into my Jean-Jacques. 00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:02.320 No, it was there was no more no more rubber guard after that. 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:09.679 It was all Jean-Jacques overhook, fake the sweet, he bases, stuffed his wrist, triangle, boom. 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:11.599 It was all Jean-Jacques, 100%. 00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:14.559 And it was like, I didn't remember any of it when it happened. 00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:23.519 I, because I had been playing Rubber Guard before, like a few minutes before, I was throwing Rubber Guard at him, primitive Rubberguard, the beginnings of Rubberguard. 00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:30.000 So it wasn't, I was still throwing it up, but it wasn't like it wasn't fine-tuned like it became later. 00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:36.960 But it was all such a blur that I was backstage thinking that I got him with rubber guard. 00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:40.079 Yeah, I was like, oh my God, like shit. 00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:42.079 I can't believe I got him with rubber guard. 00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:42.960 He wasn't ready for it. 00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:43.760 But it wasn't. 00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:47.039 When I looked back at him, I'm like, oh my God, that wasn't even Rubberguard at all. 00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:53.920 It was this Jean-Jacques, straight up, overhook, sweep, he basses, trap that bass, throwing the triangle. 00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:55.280 It was all Jean-Jacques. 00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:57.760 And of course, by the way, not a fluke. 00:41:57.920 --> 00:41:59.760 Many years later, you had a rematch. 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:00.719 The rules were different. 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:02.000 It was just submission only. 00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:03.360 And there was no submission. 00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:04.320 But I'm sorry, man. 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:05.599 Go watch the tape. 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:06.880 He was under threat. 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:12.159 He's like, if he wasn't so flexible, like you mean you would any other human would have died. 00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.199 Yeah, the rematch was 11 years later. 00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:15.679 Yeah. 00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:22.880 And technically it was a draw, but I was really happy with the way the match came out. 00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:25.360 You know, so he had nothing on me. 00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:26.800 He never did anything to me. 00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:31.519 And I was just throwing attacks at him, and he was doing a great job of defending him. 00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:38.559 That's really pretty much the whole match was him defending my attacks, which I'm cool with. 00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:41.280 I'm happy with the draw. 00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:42.320 I think you did great. 00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:48.880 I remember Jean-Jacques catching some flack from some of the Gracie family for training you because they did not like seeing his. 00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:54.159 But I remember, maybe I'm wrong, the Machado brothers, like Hagan, he was like, You're our boy. 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:56.079 Like they were very, very proud of you. 00:42:56.239 --> 00:43:05.920 And and your student that you brought up is always gonna mean more than the team you came from originally. 00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:10.719 These are also grown people that you bringing up, they're like your children. 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.199 Like I was like John Jacques's son. 00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:14.480 He brought me up. 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:27.280 And if it's between the person that he brought up to Black Belt, of course that that's gonna be mean more to you than the teammates that you came up with in your early years. 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:29.679 Yes, but Heuler is also a cousin. 00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:30.559 There's blood there. 00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:32.159 So but I think it's a good analogy. 00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:34.400 Like Hoiler was a cousin, you were a son. 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:34.800 Yeah. 00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:36.320 And that's how you would make that choice. 00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:37.440 That's yeah. 00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:39.119 It's always gonna work out that way. 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:48.960 If it doesn't work out that way, like if I had a student I brought up and he was gonna go against one of my old teammates. 00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:49.840 Yeah, me. 00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:51.280 Of course you'd want your guy. 00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:52.320 He's your guy. 00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:53.840 Yeah, this is my son. 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:57.840 I love you, but like this is my like I'm with him every day. 00:43:58.079 --> 00:43:58.320 Of course. 00:43:58.559 --> 00:43:59.119 You know what I mean? 00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:01.199 He takes care of Of my children. 00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:02.480 He's a babysitter. 00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:04.320 I think it was great. 00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:04.880 Alright. 00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:06.239 So where did this? 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.159 You were the most creative person I ever met. 00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:15.679 Which is why, by the way, in jujitsu, which is why I told John to come out from Australia and we took a private from you when we were black belts and you were brown belts. 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:16.880 That was weird. 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:31.280 Because before that, the weirdest thing was Higgin, legendary black belt, and I'm a purple belt, he invited me to come to HQ, which you know, which was Yeah, Redondo. 00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:33.119 Yeah, he goes, come down to Redondo. 00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:35.119 I needed to learn this crazy shit you're doing. 00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:37.519 Which was just the guillotine from wrestling. 00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:39.679 It's a wrestling move that they call the twister. 00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:40.880 It was always the guillotine. 00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:41.119 Right. 00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:47.840 But since the guillotine, the name was already used in grappling, they didn't

call it the guillotine. 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:49.519 But in wrestling, it was the guillotine. 00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:50.559 They called it the twister. 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:52.880 Higgin and Jock renamed it the twister. 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:53.360 I didn't. 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:54.400 There's haters out there. 00:44:54.480 --> 00:45:04.159 They'll tell newbies in jujitsu who are don't know the timeline, don't really know the history, go, what is what is this 10th planet stuff? 00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:09.360 It's really easy for a hater to show a book, go, look, you wrestled in high school, right? 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.400 And go, yeah, look, he's calling this the twisters, this is the guillotine. 00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:13.760 It's the guillotine from wrestling. 00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:14.559 Look what he's doing. 00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:18.960 And the you then like the newbie would be like, oh my God, I learned that in ninth grade wrestling. 00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:21.599 He's calling it the twister, go, yeah, he called it the twister. 00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:23.920 He's he's ripping off a move from wrestling. 00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:25.920 And then it's really easy to create haters. 00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:26.960 Like, fuck that dude. 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:28.639 Like, fuck that piece of shit, right? 00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:41.840 But in reality, but of course, if it was true that I took a wrestling move, renamed it, and claimed that I invented it, I would have no students. 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:47.440 That would have that would be like a big scandal that would just get crushed instantly. 00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:49.440 Nobody would be able to survive that. 00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:51.199 Yeah, I would have zero students. 00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:51.519 Yeah. 00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:54.000 So, but there's people out there that believe that. 00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:54.960 No, I remember that. 00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:55.519 That's not true. 00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:57.920 I remember I everything you said, I remember it as it was happening. 00:45:58.000 --> 00:45:58.639 You were calling it. 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:05.039 Yeah, so Higgin, I'm a purple, but Higgin, black belt legend, has me out for a private. 00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:15.039 He didn't pay me or anything, but it was like the same thing as a private, just me and him, not during class, teaching him what I learned in high school. 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:16.320 That was a trip. 00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:20.880 And then you were a black belt, but was it John Will or Richard Arden? 00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:21.519 John Will. 00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:23.280 John Will, he was a brown belt still. 00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:23.440 Yeah. 00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:26.480 So he was a brown belt, you were a black belt, you were helping him. 00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:27.199 You guys. 00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:28.880 I think he might have been a black belt. 00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:30.079 You were a brown belt. 00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:31.519 I think that was the weird thing. 00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:31.760 Yeah. 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:32.960 I think I was still purple. 00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:33.360 No? 00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:39.920 Maybe whatever it was, we didn't care because I told him whatever you're doing is so unbelievable, we have to see it. 00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:41.039 Yeah, that was crazy. 00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:42.800 To me, that was like, what the fuck? 00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.760 I'm not even a black belt, and I'm teaching black belts. 00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:47.280 That was a mind fuck. 00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:47.760 It really was. 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:48.239 I couldn't. 00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:49.360 I was like, what? 00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:50.719 I didn't even get it. 00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:52.079 Over the doorway. 00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:55.119 You remember the sign they used to have leave your ego at the door, man? 00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:56.239 That's an example of that. 00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.039 Like, I didn't care what belt you were, what you were doing was good. 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:00.960 Yeah, you you really didn't, man. 00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:06.800 You were always super supportive of not everybody was super supportive of my weird stuff. 00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:16.400 Because there was a time where someone high level came up to me and said, Listen, you gotta start learning regular jujitsu because you're doing like, okay, we get it. 00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:24.239 This weird stuff you're doing, we get it, you got it, but now you gotta eventually you gotta learn regular jujitsu, traditional jujitsu. 00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:30.000 And then Jean Jacques came in and said, Listen, let him do whatever the fuck he wants to do. 00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:32.320 All right, don't stop his creativity. 00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:39.519 So Jean-Jacques always pushed, he never tried to reel me in into traditional jujitsu ever. 00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:41.280 He loved it. 00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:43.760 He goes, look what this crazy dude's doing. 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:44.639 He loved it. 00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:46.960 He has his fingerprints all over my style. 00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:52.639 It was always because I considered myself non-explosive, a non-athlete. 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:54.320 I'm not gonna go jogging. 00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:55.280 I don't jog. 00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:57.199 I eat whatever the fuck I want to do. 00:47:57.360 --> 00:47:59.440 I never considered myself an athlete. 00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:01.280 I run really slow. 00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:03.119 Girls run faster than me. 00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:07.280 When I played tag in the fifth grade, I couldn't even catch the girls, man. 00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:09.199 I was slow, non-explosive. 00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:10.960 I never considered myself an athlete. 00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:19.599 So even in jujitsu, I tried to work around the non-athletic aspects of myself. 00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:22.079 So I try to like

just trick people into weird shit. 00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.400 Jean-Jacques loved that. 00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:26.079 He was he was into it. 00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:36.880 And anytime I would do some weird shit, the whole class would get together with Jean-Jacques, like a group meeting, and they go, How do we stop this weird shit that he's doing? 00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:40.320 And then Jean-Jacques would tell him, and then they would all go, okay, cool. 00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:41.679 Then they would stop my shit. 00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:47.280 Then I would go by myself to Jean-Jacques and go, okay, now that you taught him how to stop this shit, what do I do? 00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:48.719 And he'd go, try this. 00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:50.000 And then I would try that. 00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:54.239 And then the whole group would go back to Jean-Jacques and go, he's doing some other shit now. 00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:55.360 How do we stop that? 00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:58.400 Then he would show them and it would just go back and forth and so on. 00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:05.920 So for me, it was like, as like, wow, these guys are spending all this time on just trying to stop one dude. 00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:07.920 No one else is gonna do this shit to them. 00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:09.440 It would be better for them. 00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:18.239 It would be a better use of their time if they learn how to do what I was doing and not learn how to stop it, because you learn how to stop it. 00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:20.079 Yeah, congratulations. 00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:21.440 It's gonna work on one dude. 00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:26.079 You spent all this time on me, but you're not gonna fight me in competition. 00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:27.119 So what are you doing? 00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:29.199 Why don't you learn what I'm doing? 00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:36.639 So that could possibly what you're learning, you could use it on a hundred people, yeah, instead of just like learning some shit out of stop me. 00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:37.519 You know what I mean? 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:39.519 But everybody was just trying to stop me, man. 00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:42.000 There was only a couple guys that wanted to learn. 00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:43.679 Like remember Craig Beecham? 00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:44.159 Yeah. 00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:45.920 He was like, show me what you're doing. 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:46.559 So he was all in. 00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:47.599 Todd White, right? 00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:49.039 He started doing Todd White too. 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:59.519 What I learned really quick in jujitsu is that they weren't jujitsu wasn't organized and wasn't being taught in the same way wrestling was like in high school. 00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:03.440 And I thought, like, damn, they're not even like getting medieval with these drills. 00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:05.199 It's so relaxed. 00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:09.039 They're not systemizing, like most of these moves don't even have names.

00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:10.079 There's no system. 00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:22.960 It's just that your instructor comes out, shows you a move, you practice it for five minutes, it shows you an option to the move, you practice that, and then one more option just in case they do this, you could do that, and then you roll. 00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:46.239 That was I go, man, if this was organized like wrestling, because when I wrestled in high school, even though I sucked, I was aware that this leads to this leads to this system is designed to produce the highest level athlete possible in this particular sport. 00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:49.679 Like the drills, it would there was no lollygag in wrestling. 00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:52.159 It was like a military experience. 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:54.800 And it wasn't like that with jujitsu, it was the opposite. 00:50:54.880 --> 00:51:07.039 So for me, I'm like, man, if they actually like actually put some serious emphasis on drilling and reps and numbers and a system, and let's name everything and let's fucking write. 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.920 If you can't write down the system, you don't have a system. 00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:13.679 But you have a system, but it's not written down, doesn't have no system. 00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:15.599 You're just going off the top of your fucking head. 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:16.320 What do you got? 00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:18.320 Like a photographic memory or some shit? 00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:19.599 Like those waitresses. 00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:22.719 You there's like 10 people ordering, and she's like, mm-hmm, okay. 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:23.599 No onions, okay. 00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:25.440 My bitch, you better write that shit down. 00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:27.039 You know what I mean? 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.880 So me and Todd White, we decided, like, you know what? 00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:33.679 On the side, let's put together a system. 00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:36.400 We'll put together flows and boom, and we'll practice. 00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:50.960 One hour a week, Thursday afternoon, he was a cartoonist and Nickelodeon, and I would show up to the Nickelodeon headquarters right there in Burbank on lunch break when the whole building would leave for lunch for an hour. 00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:59.760 He would stay at the gym because I had a gym, and I would bring the mats and we would do drills for 45 minutes and once a week. 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:11.760 And we would just we would structure these drills, and real quick, we realized like shit, within a couple weeks, two, three, four weeks, these drills that we were practicing show up in the sparring. 00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:12.960 And we're like, oh shit. 00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:14.960 And we would tell each other, is it showing up, dude? 00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:15.920 I did it three times. 00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:17.039 Did I do it twice? 00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:19.440 Boom, it worked on him, and it worked on him. 00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:29.199 And then I'm like, okay, so then we do more drills, and we were keeping track of the drills we were doing and how quickly they infected our sparring. 00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:32.559 And it was really quick, so we were just obsessed with that once a week, and it made a big difference. 00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:41.199 And me and Todd White, as far as Jean-Jacques students, like their purple belts and blue belts, we were the ones that were traveling to Santa Cruz to compete. 00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:44.320 We were the ones going to grappler's quest in Vegas. 00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:54.320 That's really where the style came from was the lack of drilling in traditional BJJ compared to wrestling. 00:52:54.480 --> 00:53:00.400 Where like once you learn the power of reps, they're like, oh shit, I could learn anything, I could do anything. 00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:04.559 So you learn like even beyond jujitsu, like, damn, it's everything's about just reps. 00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:08.159 I could be a dancer, I could be a fucking real estate agent. 00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:10.400 You just got to put in the reps with the real estate. 00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:11.760 I could be a fucking doctor. 00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:13.360 It's just reps and studying. 00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:15.679 So that's what you really learn from jujitsu. 00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:30.719 That's why in jiu-jitsu, man, it's very common for your the buddies that you grew up with in jujitsu that stick with it and that are into drills and practicing and adding weapons, they usually become successful in something in their career. 00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:30.960 Right. 00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:34.239 You know, I mean, Todd White became like this super huge artist. 00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:38.320 He was a bottom-of-the-barrel cartoon designer for Nickelodeon. 00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:42.320 And then he became like one of the most popular artists in the world. 00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:43.920 Yeah, no, that is 100% true. 00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:47.920 That's kind of the theme of this podcast is lessons for martial arts in life. 00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:53.119 For me, it's what superpowered my animal nonprofit, which sold for tens of millions of dollars. 00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:55.920 Tell me about your animal nonprofit because I'm getting in into that. 00:53:56.320 --> 00:53:57.119 Okay, we'll go there in a second. 00:53:57.199 --> 00:53:57.760 We'll go there in a second. 00:53:57.840 --> 00:53:58.719 I promise we'll get back to it. 00:53:58.800 --> 00:53:58.960 Okay. 00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:06.480 But I just want to say when I had John come out and we took a lesson from you, what was interesting to me, the reason I was saying we need to learn from you was not just that you could beat me. 00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:14.800 I mean, sure, but it was specifically that you were creating new things, that you were naming them in interesting ways, and that you were tying them together. 00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:16.559 It's exactly

the systematized stuff. 00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:18.639 And I don't think that's just a problem with BJJ. 00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:20.400 That was a problem with my jujitsu too. 00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:25.039 We're like, here's an escape from this, here's an escape from that, here's a finish, right? 00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:26.559 Same thing with catch wrestling. 00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:37.199 You know, when I talked to like Eric Paulson, friends with Eric, and he was doing kind of catch wrestling stuff, but even then, these were just like attack, attack, and they would do some flows. 00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:44.239 They would do some lock flows, but then the Japanese guys would do lock flows, but without not against like resistance. 00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:50.880 So they would try one of those lock flows on me and they wouldn't get past the first lock because I'd just smash the shit out of them and tap them out or whatever. 00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:57.280 But what you were doing is you were doing live resistance stuff, but you were connecting it in this, like you say, systematized way. 00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:03.280 And it's funny because people maybe have heard of the rubber guard, which takes some flexibility and shit like that, and they'll say, like, that's a young man's game. 00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:07.920 And I'm like, dude, twister, electric chair, like these that's an old man's game. 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:11.360 Like, you need no flexibility to do most of the stuff you do. 00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:13.280 It's like the perfect old man's game. 00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:15.199 Anyway, I was just super impressed. 00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:17.760 And now, but I'm like, when did you start being creative? 00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:19.519 Like, we is this from like your music? 00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:21.119 Are you always creative like that? 00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:25.039 It's like you push against authority, and it's not even necessarily authority. 00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:36.800 The way I see you, if I had to just like sum you, no one can sum anybody up, but you do not accept the standard norm just because it's told to you. 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:41.280 I don't care if that's conspiracies, I don't care if it's jujitsu, I don't care whatever it is. 00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:50.000 You look at something your own way, you come to your own conclusion, you analyze it, it's just super interesting to me. 00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:51.199 It's just super interesting. 00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:53.360 And then look what it created, like this world. 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:56.000 I can pinpoint it to two events in my life. 00:55:56.320 --> 00:56:06.079 The first one is when I was 11, when I found out everybody wasn't Catholic, because I grew up in a Mexican neighborhood in Santa Ana, California. 00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:16.320 They put all the, when all the white people left LA and went to Orange County to escape all the Mexicans, they realized like, damn, we gotta bring some Mexicans to clean our yards up. 00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:17.119 You know what I mean? 00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:18.880 So they go, okay, cool. 00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:24.559 They thought they could escape to El Toro and Mission Viejo, but they had a designated city for the Mexicans. 00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:25.519 That was Santa Ana. 00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:30.800 So they put all the labor, the clean, everybody, it was like the Home Depot of Orange County, Santa Ana. 00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:31.679 That's where I grew up. 00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:32.880 Everybody's Catholic. 00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:34.639 Everybody, we had a neighborhood church. 00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:37.679 Our Lady of Pilar, we had a neighborhood church. 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.239 We played all our football games in the parking lot. 00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:42.639 I was an altar boy, all that shit. 00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:48.800 I thought everybody was Catholic because when you look at TV and all the sitcoms, different strokes, all that shit. 00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:53.039 They had Christmas shows, Halloween, Easter. 00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:54.480 So, like, okay, everyone's Catholic. 00:56:54.639 --> 00:57:00.880 And then I'm 11, and I find out there's Jews, and then there's Muslims, and there's all these other religions. 00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:02.960 I'm like, wait a minute, there's other religions? 00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:04.800 What are what are all these other religions? 00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:06.400 Like, how do we know we're right? 00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:10.559 And I'm like, wait a minute, the Jews think they're right, Muslims think they're right. 00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:12.719 What the fuck, Hindu? 00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:13.119 What? 00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:14.320 What are we doing over here? 00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:17.760 So right away I go, oh, okay, I can't believe any of this shit. 00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:20.320 So I became atheist at a young age. 00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:25.360 So I thought, okay, this is massive fucking worldwide brainwash. 00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:29.119 So at that point, I started going, you can't trust shit. 00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:35.679 And then the next one was I was really into pro wrestling, and my uncle would always tell me, I'm like 12, 13. 00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:37.039 He goes, That shit's fake. 00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:38.559 I go, how do you fake blood? 00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:39.840 How do you fake the blood? 00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:41.760 Look, they're picking them up and they're slamming them. 00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:43.760 And my uncle would go, oh my god, you're a target. 00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:44.960 I'm trying to help you. 00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:46.960 And so I believe pro wrestling was real. 00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:50.880 I was watching like Hulk Hogan and Iron Chic and all that shit. 00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:55.119 B Brian Blair, a Paul Horndorf, all that shit. 00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:56.159 I was into it. 00:57:56.320 --> 00:58:06.800 And then in 85, a fucking, they 2020 did an

expose on pro wrestling. 00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:12.880 They got a whistleblower, a wrestler, an actual real wrestler who's fucking turning on the industry. 00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:15.840 And he got they got him on camera saying it is fake and all this shit. 00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:16.719 He goes, you know how the blood is. 00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:17.760 I go, what about the blood? 00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:30.000 He goes, look, he took a little Xacto knife, wrapped it around, like put a little uh, like you know that ace bandage type shit around a little Xacto knife, and then he hit it in his, he goes, We put it right here, boom, and then we have a distraction. 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:42.960 Like, I'll beat someone down, and they'll be like on in the corner riling up the crowd while I get the fucking, or maybe I get beat down, and I'm on the floor, and I take the little blade out and like fucking cut my forehead. 00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:46.079 I slice it, and then I come up and I'm bleeding. 00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:49.679 He said, red turns the green in the pro wrestling world. 00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:51.440 So you want to get green? 00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:52.880 We need to see red. 00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:57.519 So he said they cut themselves and he didn't write their own camera and goes, look, we don't even feel it no more. 00:58:57.599 --> 00:58:59.199 He goes, like that, and blood starts coming down. 00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:00.639 He goes, You don't even feel it. 00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:02.320 I'm surprised they even really did that. 00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:08.400 And they did that on 2020, and then they the the reporter, he's like a little dude, he's a little dude, five, three. 00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:15.039 And the the whistleblower, pro wrestler guy, is showing them how you could pick me up and they're like in a ring. 00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:20.000 And he goes, Look, I'm gonna jump up and make it easy for you, and you just use the momentum and you could slam. 00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:20.880 So they were doing it. 00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:23.360 So they did this whole 20 minutes your bubble. 00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:34.639 Yeah, and I'm like, the best part of that segment was the reporter, the little short guy, he's backstage at a WWE show, maybe Madison Square Garden or whatever. 00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:37.920 And there was a wrestler super popular at the time, Dr. 00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:38.320 D. 00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:39.599 David Schultz. 00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:42.079 You could watch this on YouTube, it's still on YouTube. 00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:42.800 Dr. 00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:43.119 D. 00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:51.760 David Schultz, he's about to walk out and do a wrestling match, and the little reporter goes, Hey, what do you think about so-and-so saying it's fake? 00:59:51.920 --> 01:00:01.039 It's all the pro wrestling's fake, goes, fake, and he goes, boom, he slaps him right in the ear, knocks the guy down, the reporter, and the guy gets up again. 01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:02.320 He goes, Is this fake? 01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:03.760 Boom! Is that fake? 01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:05.599 He fucked the guy up twice in the ear. 01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:08.400 The guy ended up suing WWE. 01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:10.559 He's like, fuck, his ears are fucked up. 01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:12.000 He's still like deaf in one ear. 01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:13.440 Yeah, and then you never saw Dr. 01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:14.960 D, David Schultz again. 01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:17.440 They pulled him and he just disappeared from wrestling. 01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:18.480 He was a huge wrestler. 01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:20.960 He disappeared, it was a huge scandal. 01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:25.199 And right there, I was like, oh my god, pro wrestling's fake. 01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:29.840 And then the last one that made me like not like you're talking about me not trusting shit. 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:41.360 The last one was I was super into metal, Slayer, Metallica, all like metal that talked about Satan all the time, but I no one ever thought these metal dudes were actually Satanists. 01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:43.840 We understood that's as 15-year-old kids. 01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:49.119 We're like, oh, they're just like it's like a dude who wrote the script or the screenplay for the Exorcist. 01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:50.880 No one thinks he's satanic. 01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:55.679 He wrote a satanic movie, Exorcist is satanic, but no one's thinking the writer's satanic. 01:00:55.760 --> 01:01:09.679 So that's how kids even looked at Slayer and all these bands that were like creator and destruction, they were writing songs about Satan and hell and total fucking destruction and death and evil and bloodletting and all that shit. 01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:11.280 But we're like, oh, that's a cool story. 01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:12.719 It's like the Exorcist. 01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:15.840 But we never thought the bands were Satanists, and they weren't. 01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:21.039 There was a couple, maybe King Diamond, a couple, but most of them, they were just, I was writing satanic lyrics. 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:22.559 I was in speed metal bands. 01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:25.679 I got the satanic Bible to write satanic lyrics. 01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:26.400 I was atheist. 01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:33.280 I was like, this is just like uh a facade, and this is like a genre we write about Satan, but no one actually believed in Satan. 01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:36.800 And then 2020, same ABC show. 01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:40.480 They did a show on how satanic heavy metal music is. 01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:47.760 And if your kids are listening to Twisted Sister, Motby Crew, and Judas Priest, and like, dude, you guys are on the wrong bands. 01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:49.679 They're going after Motley Crew. 01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:56.000 They could they never mention Slayer, they never mentioned like Creator or like the real ones are real talking about Satan.

01:01:56.159 --> 01:02:13.599 But they weren't even satanic, but they were straight up talking about like Slayer has a song called Necrophiliac, and that song is about going to a mortuary, pulling out a dead corpse, fucking it, and then and then sending that corpse a soul to hell or necrophiliac. 01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:16.320 And like, but we never thought as kids that they were satanic. 01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:17.760 Like, oh, they're writing gross songs. 01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:19.519 I want to write a gross satanic song. 01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:23.360 But now, 2020 is not even going after Slayer. 01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:26.480 They're not even going, they're going after Twisted Sister. 01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:29.760 So I thought, okay, you can't ever trust the news. 01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:31.280 They don't know what the fuck is going on. 01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:32.800 You're going after Twisted Sister? 01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:35.199 And you're going after like Iron Maiden? 01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:38.559 You guys should be going after Slayer or King Diamond at least. 01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:39.440 And they didn't. 01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:42.559 So those are the three incidences that like I was like, I see. 01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:45.920 Like, okay, I can't trust the world. 01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:50.400 I think like with the news, you trust but verify, maybe. 01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:52.880 That's what Reagan used to say about the Russians or whatever. 01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:57.840 Like, but I have had experiences because I've done stuff in my animal work where that was covered on the news. 01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:01.119 And then I look at the article or whatever, and it's like they did not get it right. 01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:06.320 So I've had that experience because they're reporters, they're lazy, or they just, you know, people are people, right? 01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:11.119 So I don't throw out the whole baby with the bathwater, but I'm right with you that you've got to kind of think for yourself. 01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:11.599 Yeah. 01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:14.480 All right, so 10th planet. 01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:17.280 So you win with Hoiler, you start teaching, right? 01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:19.920 Because now you're the hottest thing in the world, I think. 01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:25.440 And you create this thing called 10th planet that's I assume built on the stuff that you were writing out with Todd. 01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:26.559 Like it's the systemized stuff. 01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:27.039 Yep. 01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:29.679 Okay, it's all no gi, which is great. 01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:35.119 Were you planning on creating this kind of empire that you've created now? 01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:35.599 No. 01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:45.519 The only reason I started 10th Planet was because before that I was writing comedy for the man's show for like six months. 01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:48.800 But before that, I was a strip club DJ for 10 years. 01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:51.199 So for 10 years I was strip club DJ. 01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:56.480 Then I got a writing job when Joe took over as the host for the man's show. 01:03:56.559 --> 01:03:59.440 Because originally the man's show was Adam Carolla and Jimmy Kimmel. 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:04.079 After five years, they took off, but Comedy Central wanted to keep it going with new hosts. 01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:07.199 So they got Joe Rogan, and Joe Rogan got Doug Stanhope. 01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:09.760 And then Joe Rogan brought me in as a writer. 01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:16.079 But that was a big fiasco because Man Show didn't want to hire me, Comedy Center didn't want to hire me because I had no experience. 01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:21.360 Joe made them hire me because me and Joe, I met him at Jean Jacques through Jiu Jitsu. 01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:24.800 He was a student at John Jacques, that's how we met, and we started writing comedy together. 01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:27.199 And I dabbled in stand-up comedy back then too. 01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:33.519 So Joe made them hire me, and they they buckled, but they hated me and treated me accordingly. 01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:34.639 It was horrible. 01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:48.000 So as I'm training for 2003 ADCC, the World Championships, I'm actually working depressed as a writer for the man show because I was like, fuck, I shouldn't have quit my strip club DJ job. 01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:49.119 What did I do? 01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:49.840 Fuck. 01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:52.480 Because this show gonna get canceled. 01:04:52.639 --> 01:04:54.239 And then what am I gonna do? 01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:56.400 Then what am I gonna do? 01:04:56.639 --> 01:04:59.039 Fuck, why did I quit the strip club? 01:04:59.199 --> 01:04:59.599 Shit. 01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:01.760 And they treated me like shit. 01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:08.159 I was like, man, my life, I'm like 32, 33, and my life is like, I'm a grown-ass man. 01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:09.920 I'm trying to get a record deal. 01:05:10.159 --> 01:05:23.440 So I thought by working the man's show, me and Joe would parlay that into like a movie career, make movies, you know, successful sketches on the man show, then we make movies, and then I get my music in that way. 01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:25.039 Because it was always about the music. 01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:27.760 I was a strip club DJ until I got a record deal. 01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:28.800 That's all it was. 01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:32.079 But then I'm like, damn, I get a chance to write for the man's show. 01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:33.519 This is my record deal. 01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:37.920 We're gonna make movies, and then I'll fucking sneak my music in through the back. 01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:39.280 No, that's what I thought. 01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:40.000 That was the plan. 01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:45.039 Well, it didn't go as planned, and they hated me, and there was not gonna be any fucking movies. 01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:47.760 That show is

gonna get canceled, total disaster. 01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:51.280 Meanwhile, I'm training for Abu Dhabi 2003. 01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:58.639 So I thought, okay, I'm gonna be unemployed pretty soon, but at least I got a free trip to Sao Paulo and I get to do the world championships. 01:05:58.719 --> 01:05:59.599 I'm gonna give fuck. 01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:07.760 Up in the first round, you know, I'm a brown belt and I won the trials, and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go get fucked up, but at least I get a vacation. 01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:12.239 People don't remember when you beat Hoyler, the best black belt in the world, you were a brown belt. 01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:12.480 Yeah. 01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:13.360 Under San Jacques. 01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:13.599 Yeah. 01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:17.760 So when I went, I had zero expectations. 01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:20.960 I go to me, it was just a free vacation in Brazil. 01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:22.880 I'll get my ass kicked and we'll party. 01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:23.599 You know what I mean? 01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:23.840 Whatever. 01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:29.199 I'm gonna go, I'm going against Leo Viera and fucking who ended up crushing me after I tapped Hoyer. 01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:31.360 Yeah, but I think you were tweaked after the Hoyler match. 01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:32.000 I asked talked to you. 01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:32.960 He would have still fucked me up. 01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:33.679 He would have still fucked me up. 01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:34.639 Like Leo Vieira had my. 01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:36.800 I didn't expect to win anything. 01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:38.079 I was like, free trip. 01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:40.719 I'm gonna be unemployed, but at least I got a free trip. 01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:41.760 What's my life? 01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:43.760 I mean, how am I gonna get this record deal now? 01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:45.280 What kind of job am I gonna take? 01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:50.079 And then I tapped out Hoyler, got my ass kicked by Leo, but it didn't matter because I still tapped out Hoiler. 01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:55.920 Came back, quit the man's show, started teaching at the Bomb Squad, this boxing gym in West Hollywood. 01:06:56.400 --> 01:06:58.000 And I started teaching there. 01:06:58.239 --> 01:07:03.119 And I had like 18 students my first night and just struggled. 01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:04.719 Joe Rogan helped me, man. 01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:05.440 He understood. 01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:10.800 I had to tell him, I go, when I told him I'm quitting the man's show, he understood because he knew how horrible it was. 01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:17.199 And even though he went to fucking war for me to get that job, now I'm telling him I'm quitting after he went to war for me. 01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:18.000 He goes, I get it. 01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:18.639 He understood. 01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:22.559 And he helped me in my those the first year was I was struggling. 01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:29.599 But it was only to

get back to your point, did I envision having reschools? 01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:31.679 No, I had no idea. 01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:38.159 My thing was like, oh shit, I could teach this is a cool job until I get that record deal. 01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:39.920 So I'll teach jujitsu. 01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:40.480 Cool. 01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:56.239 I'll just teach people how to kill each other and put each other to sleep until I get the record deal, then I go on the road, and then I'll do jujitsu with my roadies, I'll hire roadies to do jujitsu, and then I'll be touring stadiums and doing jujitsu after soundcheck. 01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:57.199 That was the plan. 01:07:57.280 --> 01:08:00.159 So when I started teaching jujitsu, it was like, this is just temporary. 01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:00.960 I hear you. 01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:02.559 I'm gonna get a record deal. 01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:04.480 I was like super deep into music. 01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:05.599 It's happening. 01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:14.400 But the music never blew up, never got a record deal, all while the jiu-jitsu was slowly growing and growing and growing. 01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:20.560 And now that it's all said and done, I'm so appreciative that nobody likes my music. 01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:27.760 Oh my god, if I actually wrote good music and got a record deal, who knows where my life would be. 01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:36.079 I might have, dude, if I got a record deal in the 90s when I was like at my at my peak at trying to get a record deal in the 90s and the early 2000s. 01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:39.199 If I would have got a record deal and someone would have invited me to P. 01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:41.199 Diddy's parties, I would have gone. 01:08:41.439 --> 01:08:44.079 They go, you want to go to a fucking mansion party, the P. 01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:44.960 Diddy's throne? 01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:46.640 Like, who wouldn't want to go to that? 01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:48.239 You're in the record business? 01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:49.359 Everybody went. 01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:51.359 Thank God I didn't get signed. 01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:59.279 I would have gone and who knows, I would have fucking misplaced my baby oil, and then damn, who knows what would have happened. 01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:00.159 You know what I mean? 01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:01.279 No, I understand. 01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:03.199 Life has a funny way of working out. 01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:04.159 Yeah, it's really funny. 01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:05.840 So happy no one likes my music. 01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:06.399 Oh my god. 01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:09.119 Well, actually, like 17 people worldwide. 01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:10.159 I counted the fans. 01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:13.359 I got 17 people worldwide that like my music. 01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:15.920 So when I do my music, it's for those 17 people. 01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:19.680 We're gonna talk about music in a second, which leads into my animal stuff, so we'll get there. 01:09:19.760 -->

01:09:25.279 But so just on the 10th planet, I'm just curious, because it was always a thing with the Machados. 01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:28.399 Like, when someone got a black belt, like Bob Bass wanted to open up a school. 01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:30.239 Bob Bass lived in Redondo Beach. 01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:32.960 That's why he so he wanted to open up a school in Hermosa Beach. 01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:34.000 That's like where he was from. 01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:35.520 It was really close to Higgins' place. 01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:36.720 It became some friction. 01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:38.159 Like, dude, that's too close. 01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:40.000 And Bob was like, This is my home, man. 01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:40.720 I'm born here. 01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:42.399 You're the guys who came over from Brazil. 01:09:42.560 --> 01:09:47.039 And I got involved with the Machados and I like brokered this whole deal for all the black belt guys. 01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:48.800 Like, look, everyone, here's gonna be the rules. 01:09:48.960 --> 01:09:54.880 If you teach a private on Higgins Matt or Jean-Jacques Matt, you gotta give him a percentage of that private if you're using their school for that. 01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:59.760 And if you want to open up a new school, you can open up a new school, but it's got to be like this distance away. 01:09:59.920 --> 01:10:03.359 And and I tried to make it so that it would work for everybody, and we did it. 01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:06.479 And then it like very quickly fell apart because everyone trusted me. 01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:07.840 Like I was friends with everybody. 01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:18.079 But so I'm wondering with you and like your licensing and stuff, is that an issue where like you don't want two tenth planets to be too close to each other because then they're gonna get pissed at each other or something like that? 01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:22.800 Well, the rule is you have to be at least 10 miles away from the city. 01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:24.880 Okay, so there's some sort of yeah, yeah. 01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:28.880 Like all of LA, Orange County, and San Diego, that's all taken. 01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:32.720 Like, and then people want to open up a school and they're trying to find spots with maps. 01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:35.920 Look, that's 10.1, and I'm in the fucking corner. 01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:40.319 It's it's it's a constant issue nowadays. 01:10:40.560 --> 01:10:43.920 It is because the territory in Southern California is basically gone. 01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:46.239 So if you want to open up a school, you have a choice. 01:10:46.399 --> 01:10:50.079 I have a couple, one of my black belts here, he didn't want to move. 01:10:50.319 --> 01:10:57.039 And he opened up a school in San Pedro where his he's from, and that's in the territory of two of my other schools. 01:10:57.199 --> 01:10:58.960 So he just opened up a school under his name. 01:10:59.279 --> 01:10:59.760 Doesn't call it. 01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:00.399 Yeah, yeah. 01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:01.199 So that's fine too. 01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:02.880 He still trains here, I still love him to death. 01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:03.920 Yeah, he still trains here. 01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:10.239 Gio Vuk, he's my homie, and he has a school, and he just decided not to not to carry the brand. 01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:11.520 Yeah, and that's fine too. 01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:11.840 Yeah. 01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:13.039 There's gonna be a lot of that. 01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:16.960 When people do carry the brand, can they innovate themselves? 01:11:17.119 --> 01:11:18.399 Like what's their responsibility? 01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:20.399 What do they have to stick to to be part of the brand? 01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:21.600 They can do anything they want. 01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:30.239 The requirement for opening a 10th planet school is you have to be a 10th planet black belt, not just a BJJ black belt, you have to be a 10th planet black belt. 01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:34.000 So if you achieve your 10th planet black belt, then I trust you. 01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:34.640 Okay. 01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:37.279 And that's been that's done with you. 01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:38.800 Or with other black belts. 01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:39.199 Oh, okay. 01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:42.720 Do I have black 10th planet black belts that I don't even I've never even met and I don't know their names. 01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:44.479 Because they're like grandson, yeah, exactly. 01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:46.720 Dude, like I understand. 01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:48.159 There's so many I don't even know. 01:11:48.399 --> 01:11:50.239 Do you ever teach privates these days? 01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:50.800 No. 01:11:51.439 --> 01:11:51.920 So this is. 01:11:52.319 --> 01:11:53.279 I price myself out of privates. 01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:54.399 Okay. 01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:57.039 John Will used to call this the fuck you price. 01:11:57.199 --> 01:12:03.279 And he, because what happened with me is I was teaching jujitsu while I was building my animal nonprofit. 01:12:03.439 --> 01:12:11.279 So I was taking money for jujitsu, but I was only doing it so I could build my animal nonprofit because that's what I wanted to do for a living once I left music, which we're gonna talk about in one second. 01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:13.680 Originally I was gonna change the world through music. 01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:15.119 I always knew I was gonna be a rock music. 01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:18.640 Same like you, I was gonna have a record deal, and we'll talk about what happened there. 01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:22.079 But real quick on the fuck you price, I said, I can't teach privates anymore. 01:12:22.159 --> 01:12:22.960 And John's like, that's crazy. 01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:24.640 And like I don't have the time, like I don't care. 01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:28.720 And he's like, Well, if someone gave you a million dollars, would you teach them a private in an hour for an hour? 01:12:28.880 -->

01:12:29.600 And I'm like, yeah. 01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:31.680 And he goes, All right, what about half a million? 01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:33.199 Like, that's your fuck you price. 01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:34.720 So if someone says, Do you teach? 01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:40.960 You're saying he said, You're saying to them fuck you, because I'm saying, uh, yeah, here's my price,$5,000. 01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:44.079 But if you'll pay$5,000, I'll happily show up. 01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:46.319 Cash, so I started doing that. 01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:50.159 I mean, it never got up to$5,000, but I made my fuck you price$500. 01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:53.439 And then people would pay it because I'm Dave Meyer and stuff. 01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:56.079 So then I had to raise it because I didn't want to change it. 01:12:56.319 --> 01:12:56.479 Exactly. 01:12:56.560 --> 01:12:56.880 That's it. 01:12:56.960 --> 01:13:01.279 But his point, but his point was, but there's some you at some price, it's worth it, right? 01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:03.920 I used to do$500 to so I wouldn't do it. 01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:08.239 And then a couple people want paid$500 and go, okay, I gotta get around the thousand. 01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:14.239 So I stayed at a thousand file, and then like some billionaire from Saudi Arabia wanted to do it the thousand. 01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:16.479 I'm like, damn, I gotta go five thousand now. 01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:17.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:18.479 Because I don't I just don't want to do them. 01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:18.880 Yeah. 01:13:19.039 --> 01:13:20.000 Yeah, that's so funny. 01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:21.439 I don't want to, I don't have the time. 01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:28.319 But if you're gonna, you know, honestly, if someone if someone's gonna give me cash, 2K, I'll do that. 01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:29.279 You know what I mean? 01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:32.399 But I just don't have the time and the energy. 01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:34.560 I put all my energy into my classes. 01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:40.880 I have the same class schedule that I've had since day one for the last 23 years. 01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:42.960 I do the same Monday through Thursday. 01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:44.239 Boom, it's the same one. 01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:46.399 Friday through Sunday, I'm off. 01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:54.640 I might be teaching a seminar somewhere on this plane on Saturday, but as far as my class here, Monday through Thursday, we work. 01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:58.159 The training camp Monday through Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, I'm off. 01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:01.439 If you're not teaching privates, you're still teaching your school, people can come. 01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:03.680 We're sitting here at your headquarters in downtown LA. 01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:04.640 I just taught a class. 01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:06.960 Yeah, I love that it's by the way, the headquarters. 01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:13.039 I have this, it feels like people should be

sitting around with like headsets on and clicking things, saying rubber guard, you know, whatever. 01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:13.600 Twister. 01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:14.720 But no, it's awesome. 01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:17.520 It's an awesome school here, and you've been so nice you let me in when I pass through town. 01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:18.319 I so appreciate it. 01:14:18.399 --> 01:14:19.600 And I love your boys, they're all great. 01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:20.079 Hell yeah. 01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:21.359 Tough dudes, man. 01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:23.840 I'm still I'm 63, but I'm still also. 01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:27.439 Yeah, you still dude, you still get in there and fucking roll with the dog. 01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:29.439 Like, dude, you're you're a bad motherfucker. 01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:34.319 Because I like right now, I'm slow, I've had shoulder problems. 01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:35.039 I was gonna ask. 01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:39.760 I had back surgery, I have a titanium plate in my L5S1. 01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:40.960 I'm a mess. 01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:45.039 But jujitsu is the only way I know how to lose weight. 01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:47.279 So I'm rolling the last month. 01:14:47.680 --> 01:14:49.680 I've been rolling every night with fly weights. 01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:51.520 125 pounders. 01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:53.760 I need to be able to throw dudes off me. 01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:57.520 If I've struggled with anybody, like where I can't throw them off, it's too much. 01:14:57.600 --> 01:14:58.399 I'm gonna get hurt. 01:14:58.479 --> 01:14:59.920 I know I'm gonna hurt myself. 01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:08.800 So yeah, that's what I'm currently doing right now, just rolling with 125 pounders, and you you roll fucking anybody, man. 01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:11.039 And you're seven years older than me. 01:15:11.199 --> 01:15:11.760 That's crazy. 01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:18.159 Well, so I've been lucky, and a lot of it is being willing to tap, like that ego stuff. 01:15:18.319 --> 01:15:21.439 Like I've I have protected myself as much as I can. 01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:23.840 I have a diet that is healthy for me. 01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:27.760 I don't push my plant based on anybody else, but I I think I'm healthy. 01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:30.239 But also, it is though pick your partners. 01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:31.439 Like you said, it's not exactly true. 01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:32.880 You said I'll roll with everybody. 01:15:33.039 --> 01:15:35.920 I used to roll with anybody, anybody, anybody. 01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:38.159 I remember the first day I stopped doing that. 01:15:38.239 --> 01:15:40.800 There was a steroided out black belt that Higgin used to have. 01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:43.520 I'm not gonna mention his name, but the guy was like so aggressive or whatever. 01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:45.119 And we used to have wars and I would win. 01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:46.800 And I remember one day saying, you know what? 01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:48.560 I don't want to go home feeling like this again. 01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:50.079 Like I got nothing to prove with this guy. 01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:53.600 And I started, it was the first time I ever said no, thank you, because I would say yes to anybody. 01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:57.279 So now I'll pretty much train with anybody, but I'm careful of the size. 01:15:57.359 --> 01:15:58.319 And you know what's happened? 01:15:58.399 --> 01:16:03.279 Now that I look older, I think people are just they assume they need to be careful with me, which they really don't. 01:16:03.439 --> 01:16:07.680 So, like where I train in black sheep, guys are respectful, they're nice, they're chill. 01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:16.000 So I can train with heavy guys, but they're not gonna put and they can put all their weight if they want to, but if I give them the opportunity, but basically I'm not getting injured from that. 01:16:16.239 --> 01:16:19.199 I don't know if you remember, like, I've had so few injuries, I'm very, very lucky. 01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:26.800 I've always been stretching, always had yoga, had yoga since I was a little kid because my mom had arthritis, she had all these medical things, and standard medicine just wasn't doing it for her. 01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:27.840 You do saunas? 01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:30.479 Oh, yeah, I love saunas everything and cold plunge, I think. 01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:31.600 Game changer is a sauna. 01:16:32.079 --> 01:16:32.880 100%, 100%. 01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:37.680 But the I've had very few injuries, like knock on wood, and I want like tomorrow I'd get injured. 01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:41.520 But one of them was you remember Seth, the big huge wrestler dude down from the valley. 01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:42.720 Yes, Seth Goodall. 01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:45.039 He used to go to war with me because he really wanted to beat me. 01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:47.119 Yeah, that guy's like 280 pounds. 01:16:47.279 --> 01:16:49.760 He was like a Rico Rodriguez size, yeah. 01:16:49.920 --> 01:16:53.039 And one day we're rolling, we're fighting really hard, and he's like going crazy. 01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:54.239 This was many years ago. 01:16:54.399 --> 01:17:07.840 And he like tries to come around my guard, and so I kind of twist to kind of bail out to my hands and knees, and he catches me right as I'm making the twist and does like a body spin right on my floating rib, and like it took the rib right out of place. 01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:09.119 That was the worst injury I've ever had. 01:17:09.199 --> 01:17:10.720 It just hurt, it healed. 01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:23.199 But aside from like a few things like that, so I wouldn't, if I was facing a 280-pound wrestler guy right now, and he starts to train like that with me, I might just say, dude, calm it down, because I just don't want to sacrifice my body. 01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:25.600 But I think it's very smart that you're going with light people. 01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:30.880 I think the whole thing about aging, because

people talk to me about that a lot, it's the number one thing to me is like pick your partners. 01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:36.479 And we can talk about warm-up and we can talk about all that stuff too, but just pick your partners, just have partners that go chill. 01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:45.680 Like you could, if we ever wanted to roll, I'm not uh flyweight, but either someone who has great control who's not good, just understands, like ask people like what's going on. 01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:48.079 When people ask me, can you roll with me? 01:17:48.239 --> 01:17:51.439 It's not that I think they're gonna hurt me. 01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:58.479 I'm like, if I can just bench press you off, I'm gonna hurt myself going against you. 01:17:58.640 --> 01:17:58.960 I understand. 01:17:59.119 --> 01:17:59.600 You know what I mean? 01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:03.279 Yeah because I'm not claiming anybody's gonna hurt me. 01:18:03.359 --> 01:18:09.760 Like, you know, I'm gonna hurt myself if I'm in a fucking war with like Fedor or like fucking Sam. 01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:11.920 That's gonna be a fucking war. 01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:16.640 And my shoulder, like I'm I can barely hang with flyweights right now. 01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:20.479 I wake up in the morning fucking my back is just frozen. 01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:23.920 Like all like just until recently, my back is starting to warm up. 01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:33.359 My back's frozen all day because my muscles, because of the metal that's in my back, my muscles just clamp and they just clamp over that like there's something wrong. 01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:35.680 You got metal in your fucking in your back. 01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:36.800 So that's what's going on. 01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:41.119 And my L4 needs to be replaced too, but I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna do it. 01:18:41.199 --> 01:18:42.159 I'm just gonna live with it. 01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:49.520 Because that surgery that I went through, that was just like they went through the front, dude, and they take all your guts out and they do the back surgery through the front now. 01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:51.039 I ain't doing that shit no more. 01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:51.520 I'm good. 01:18:51.680 --> 01:18:58.800 Well, listen, so while we're on it, what about what treatments are you taking, you know, peptides, anything like that? 01:18:59.039 --> 01:18:59.680 Anything you swear about? 01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:00.560 You know what? 01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:05.439 I I did BP157 a little bit when my shoulders were fucked up. 01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:15.600 I had shoulder surgery on this shoulder, and then I had a torn labrum on this shoulder and tried some BP 157, and I don't really don't know if it did anything, to tell you the truth. 01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:16.159 I don't know. 01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:19.039 But then I got later I got stem cells and that fixed it. 01:19:19.119 --> 01:19:22.960 The stem cells fixed this shoulder and it fixed this shoulder because I re-injured that. 01:19:23.039 --> 01:19:29.039 So stem cells work depending on where you get them because there's a lot of ripoff companies in the United States. 01:19:29.279 --> 01:19:33.279 The best stem cell company is in Mexico. 01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:34.399 CPI. 01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:35.840 Go check out CPI. 01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:38.239 That shit fix this shoulder, fix this shoulder. 01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:41.119 I'm like a hundred, a thousand percent sold on them. 01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:45.359 But peptides, I don't like who knows what's inside them. 01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:46.239 Yeah, no, I know. 01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:48.079 My wife can't even get me to take vitamins. 01:19:48.239 --> 01:19:49.279 I'm just terrible sometimes. 01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:55.520 I just I think I expect my body will just deal with it over time, and it has, that's worked so far, but it's slowing down. 01:19:55.600 --> 01:20:01.439 I've got a hip thing finally starting to feel right now that I think I'm rehabbing and I think it's actually gonna go away. 01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:03.279 But a lot of guys have gotten hip replacements. 01:20:03.359 --> 01:20:06.399 Hajier got two hip replacements, it's like the same day, I think. 01:20:06.560 --> 01:20:07.840 John Will just had hip replacements. 01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:09.439 I have two students that have hip. 01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:11.279 Chris Verzog, Connor Eun. 01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:14.079 Yeah, and they're they're still on the mats, man. 01:20:14.239 --> 01:20:17.760 Hey, I'll tell you what, you hold out as long as you can because the science gets better. 01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:25.359 Of course, you don't want to get yourself really deteriorated, but science gets better, the everything gets better, and I think you can keep training. 01:20:25.520 --> 01:20:30.560 So I don't take anything, I don't take testosterone, I don't take, like I say, I don't take creatine, I don't take anything. 01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:32.880 Not that I wouldn't if I thought it would be really helpful. 01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:38.720 I did just get a shot of cortisone in my right knee because I got leg barred like in a world championship surprise dog bar. 01:20:38.800 --> 01:20:43.119 I just caught me by surprise and kind of popped my knee like two years ago and it's still hurting. 01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:44.720 And I'm trying to rehab my hip. 01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:48.479 I can't be doing that while my knee is like I need only one thing on the leg at a time. 01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:48.720 Yeah. 01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:52.800 So I just got a cortisone shot a couple days ago, and right now it's you don't want to do that a lot. 01:20:52.880 --> 01:20:55.760 But doctors looked at my knee and said, You know, it's just a painkiller. 01:20:56.159 --> 01:20:57.520 I know, I know, but I'll take it. 01:20:57.680 --> 01:20:58.880 I don't think it's gonna fix anything. 01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:03.439 Yeah, but no, and you don't want to do it a lot, but that's like the first

time I've done anything in a really long time. 01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:13.039 But just before we leave Jiu Jitsu, if you've got a minute for music and and dog eat, one of the amazing ways that you have innovated is in the competition formats. 01:21:13.199 --> 01:21:13.840 Just love it. 01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:15.520 Like EBI, all that kind of stuff. 01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:22.960 Is EBI you mentioned before we talked that maybe it's on a pause because there's some sort of we're in contract negotiations with the UFC. 01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:27.039 Okay, so it may or may not end up on Fight Pass in the future. 01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:31.760 And I hope it does, but it all depends on how the negotiations go. 01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:32.479 Who knows? 01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:35.520 It could end up on fucking ESPN, you never know. 01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:37.199 Well, I love the format. 01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:40.800 The incentives cause people to act the way they act. 01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:42.239 That's just the way it is in life, right? 01:21:42.319 --> 01:21:43.359 My wife's an economist. 01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:46.880 Like, you want something good to happen in the world, make the incentives for the good thing. 01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:47.279 Yep. 01:21:47.439 --> 01:21:47.680 Right? 01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:50.800 And it's that way in rules and you mean in the rules for fighting. 01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:53.279 I don't like when there's a referee who's like the third player. 01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:56.560 We used to deal with that all the time, and we would call it like the Brazilian advantage. 01:21:56.640 --> 01:21:59.680 Like, basically, if I'm fighting a Brazilian, he's got two points when we step on the mat. 01:21:59.920 --> 01:22:00.239 I'm sorry. 01:22:00.479 --> 01:22:00.880 Absolutely. 01:22:01.039 --> 01:22:02.399 Always, because it could be a Brazilian. 01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:03.520 So I always hated that. 01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:09.920 I don't even like when a referee drags guy what like says break and reset like your second Hoiler match. 01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:11.600 Like, just drag them over. 01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:15.439 Don't make guys recreate a complicated position. 01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:18.880 Whatever happened, just dragging guys back to the middle and then like go. 01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:23.279 But I basically as little to do with refs as possible is what I like. 01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:24.319 Let the two guys do it. 01:22:24.479 --> 01:22:24.960 Exactly. 01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:28.079 I love the finishes, I love the EBI overtime. 01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:31.199 Why did you select armbar? 01:22:32.079 --> 01:22:35.520 I mean, to start for the EBI overtime, the spider web, right? 01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:38.159 And back control with a seatbelt. 01:22:38.479 --> 01:22:40.319 There's other versions. 01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:46.399 The rear naked choke and or the arm bar is the epitome of jujitsu. 01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:55.920 And what I mean by that is if

like you had a like a silhouette logo for your school and it was a dude, like you just saw a shadow of a dude on their back. 01:22:56.159 --> 01:22:56.560 You know what it is. 01:22:56.800 --> 01:22:57.760 You know, that's jujitsu. 01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:01.359 Or if you saw an arm bar with like a silhouette, jiu-jitsu. 01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:05.680 But if you saw like a freeze frame of a guard pass, you'd be like, what is that? 01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:13.600 Well, no, when I was thinking like a tr a loose triangle position or wrap the ankle 50-50, something like that. 01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:14.159 Okay, go with it. 01:23:14.479 --> 01:23:23.439 There's no leg locks at OT because there's enough time, 10 minutes in regulation, because back then it was all leglock spamming and go, okay, let's take it to OT. 01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:28.319 And I wanted it to be positions that nobody would be against. 01:23:28.479 --> 01:23:36.079 Like if I would have had, like, okay, let's start in a rubber guard position, or let's start in the twister and go live, they would think I was gearing it for me. 01:23:36.399 --> 01:23:39.840 So I go, let's make it so the Brazilians won't complain. 01:23:40.079 --> 01:23:44.319 You either start in rear naked choke or arm bar, nothing unorthodox. 01:23:44.479 --> 01:23:49.439 The most basic and traditional, the epitome of jujitsu, will make that the OT. 01:23:49.600 --> 01:23:50.800 So you have no complaints. 01:23:50.960 --> 01:23:58.479 If I would have had a rubber guard option or a twister option or a leg lock option, the Brazilians would go, that's some bullshit. 01:23:58.640 --> 01:23:59.119 I totally get it. 01:23:59.199 --> 01:23:59.680 It's brilliant. 01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:00.640 No excuses. 01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:02.399 Yeah, I don't have a problem with those two things. 01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:04.079 I was just wondering, like, how did you settle on those two? 01:24:04.399 --> 01:24:05.600 Specifically, so you have no excuses. 01:24:05.760 --> 01:24:06.560 Well, I think it's amazing. 01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:07.279 I love the format. 01:24:07.359 --> 01:24:09.359 And by the way, you're wearing Comeback Jiu Jitsu. 01:24:09.760 --> 01:24:11.119 I love that format. 01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:12.720 I don't know if you're still related to this. 01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:14.560 No, I know about Denny. 01:24:14.640 --> 01:24:20.399 So Denny lives up in my area now, and you know, we're friends, I haven't talked to him in a while, but I remember when he was training for something like that. 01:24:20.479 --> 01:24:22.960 But I just think it is the most fun. 01:24:23.279 --> 01:24:24.239 I'm not gonna switch now. 01:24:24.319 --> 01:24:31.439 We can do another podcast about like real fighting and self-defense because I have a lot of stuff on that and where jujitsu sport is diverging and all that kind of stuff. 01:24:31.680 --> 01:24:36.079 But the one thing I would suggest I think should just be part of all jujitsu is slaps. 01:24:36.159 --> 01:24:36.880 I'm just sorry. 01:24:37.279 --> 01:24:45.039 If you can't protect your face, then the barambola you're doing or whatever else that you're doing is not really serving you. 01:24:45.199 --> 01:24:51.760 It's getting so far into sport, which I think is fine if you want to do sport, but for me, I would just say any day we're doing jujitsu. 01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:57.439 I guess not hard, yeah, but I just kind of make you pay attention to it's a martial art, man. 01:24:57.600 --> 01:24:57.920 Yeah. 01:24:58.239 --> 01:25:02.479 That's how it was when we were starting, like when we were talking, like you were even describing how someone would grab your hair. 01:25:02.640 --> 01:25:06.079 Well, if you were starting now, you wouldn't be worried about someone grabbing your hair because the rules don't allow it. 01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:07.680 But we were learning how to fight. 01:25:07.760 --> 01:25:08.079 Yeah. 01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:08.560 Right? 01:25:08.800 --> 01:25:09.439 Yeah, yeah. 01:25:09.600 --> 01:25:12.720 I mean, it's it's real, it was real simple for me. 01:25:12.880 --> 01:25:15.920 I got into jujitsu because of the UFC. 01:25:16.079 --> 01:25:20.479 I didn't get into the UFC and already had jujitsu in my life. 01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:23.279 I got into jujitsu because I saw the UFC. 01:25:23.439 --> 01:25:27.119 I saw that jujitsu was the dominant martial art at that time. 01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:31.439 And and it still is if you separate all the martial arts. 01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:33.520 It's still jujitsu is still gonna be dominant. 01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:39.920 If you take all the martial arts and you put the top dudes that only do that martial art, jujitsu is always gonna win. 01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:42.479 If you don't know how to fight on the ground, easy fight for jujitsu. 01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:49.680 But now that everybody is cross-training and everybody does jujitsu, everybody does wrestling, every everybody does striking. 01:25:49.760 --> 01:25:50.720 And the rule set. 01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:54.479 I mean, the UFC's five-minute rounds and they all start standing. 01:25:54.560 --> 01:25:59.439 Yeah, there's many matches in the UFC where there is no jujitsu. 01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:05.920 And it got to the point now with the five-minute matches, if you get the fight hits the ground and there's a minute and a half left, just survive. 01:26:06.479 --> 01:26:11.760 Mastering offense in jiu-jitsu is not that necessary. 01:26:12.079 --> 01:26:13.760 Look at Israel Adasania. 01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:18.079 That guy's an insane striker, one of the greatest strikers of all time. 01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:21.920 His jiu-jitsu doesn't need to be elite, it just needs to be good enough to not get it. 01:26:22.079 --> 01:26:29.760 Yeah, it doesn't need to be that crazy because his striking is so out of this world that if he could just survive on the ground, the round's gonna end. 01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:32.159 Maybe you lost

that round because you got a takedown. 01:26:32.239 --> 01:26:36.640 But next round you stand up and you it's a five-round main event. 01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:38.479 You got all these stand-ups. 01:26:39.039 --> 01:26:49.039 So what ended up happening with jujitsu, from my point of view, not everyone's point of view, I was into jujitsu, I was into jujitsu because of the UFC. 01:26:49.199 --> 01:27:02.319 So my jiu-jitsu, I wanted to, it was very important that jujitsu not only represented well in the UFC, but was put in like realistic positions where we get data, like what works and what doesn't. 01:27:02.479 --> 01:27:14.319 And what happened real quick in the UFC was in the beginning, none of these guys Hoyce was fighting except for Ken Shamrock, but most of the guys had no idea how to fight on the ground. 01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:14.720 Right. 01:27:14.960 --> 01:27:23.039 So it didn't matter whether Hoyce trained in a gi or no gi or 50% gi, 50% no gi. 01:27:23.439 --> 01:27:43.760 Even if you trained a hundred percent gi, and if you train a hundred percent gi and you're a black belt and you go against a guy who's never had any grappling, and you guys are both no-gi, the jiu-jitsu guy's still gonna whoop your ass, even though it's no gi, even though he's never trained no gi ever, because his opponent has no jujitsu. 01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:45.920 So it's not gonna matter. 01:27:46.159 --> 01:27:59.039 But if his opponent trained 10 years no gi and he never trained in the gi, and you trained 10 years in the gi, never trained no gi, it's gonna be a problem, right? 01:27:59.119 --> 01:27:59.359 Right. 01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:02.000 There's gonna be a problem there. 01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:14.800 So, what happened over the course of maybe 10-15 UFCs as more UFC fighters started training jiu-jitsu, like they didn't in the beginning. 01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:20.800 None of those guys, none of those guys trained in the beginning, as time went on, everybody was training jujitsu. 01:28:21.039 --> 01:28:24.560 So now all the little details mattered. 01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:35.039 And what I started seeing was like, damn, you would see like I saw a Hicks and Gracie black belt go against Matt Hughes. 01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:46.720 And that Hicks and Gracie black belt, he had Matt Hughes in full guard most of the match, but didn't throw up any submission attempts. 01:28:46.880 --> 01:28:50.000 And I was watching this with my buddies who knew nothing about jiu-jitsu. 01:28:50.159 --> 01:28:54.239 I'm like a white belt or maybe a blue belt, going, oh, that guy's gonna kill the two wife. 01:28:54.399 --> 01:28:55.439 He's gonna arm bar and watch. 01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:56.239 He goes, okay. 01:28:56.319 --> 01:28:57.520 He's gonna arm bar and watch. 01:28:57.600 --> 01:28:58.560 He's gonna arm bar him. 01:28:58.720 --> 01:28:59.600 Yeah, he's gonna arm bar. 01:28:59.760 --> 01:29:02.079 Well, no, no, no, no, no, next round, he's gonna arm bar him. 01:29:02.239 --> 01:29:03.039 He never even tried. 01:29:03.199 --> 01:29:04.079 I'm like, damn. 01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:05.920 I go, what is going on here? 01:29:06.079 --> 01:29:07.359 I was like perplexed. 01:29:07.520 --> 01:29:09.840 I go, why isn't he going for an arm bar? 01:29:10.159 --> 01:29:15.359 And then I saw the same thing, I forget what Brazilian it was, legendary Brazilian. 01:29:15.439 --> 01:29:27.760 It may have been Fabio Girgel against the Jerry Bolander, who was from Ken Shamrock's Lion's Den, which they were basically like a catch wrestling type school. 01:29:27.840 --> 01:29:32.319 They were doing a lot of grappling, but more catch wrestling based. 01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:33.680 And it may have been. 01:29:34.239 --> 01:29:36.560 I remember Romario Sperry, I remember also fought. 01:29:36.800 --> 01:29:39.840 So he had Jerry Bolander in the guard, and I'm like, same thing. 01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:40.720 He's gonna arm bar him. 01:29:40.800 --> 01:29:41.760 Why are you gonna get a triangle? 01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:43.359 We do it all every day in class. 01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:44.800 We do it all, it's so easy. 01:29:44.880 --> 01:29:46.640 He's gonna, and then nothing happened. 01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:54.479 So really quick, I realized oh my god, what's going on is the jujitsu guys, when they practice jujitsu, they're practicing with a gi. 01:29:54.880 --> 01:30:00.319 So when they're doing the arm bars and when they're doing the triangles, the setups are all based on gi grips. 01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:02.800 Yeah, and that's the step number one. 01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:10.399 Like, I'm gonna show you an arm bar from the guard or an omaplata from the guard or a triangle from the guard. 01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:18.399 The very first step is gonna be what part of the gi did you grab with the right hand, and what part of the gi are you grabbing with the left hand? 01:30:18.560 --> 01:30:19.840 That's number one. 01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:24.960 So when your opponent has no gi, your number one step is not there. 01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:26.640 That's the problem. 01:30:26.880 --> 01:30:27.920 So it became a problem. 01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:29.520 Like, I see what's going on. 01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:35.680 These guys aren't really spending enough time, no gi with strikes, setting up the submissions. 01:30:35.760 --> 01:30:35.920 Right. 01:30:36.079 --> 01:30:44.880 That when they work their jujitsu training, they're convinced that the gi training is gonna automatically translate no gi with strikes, and that nothing could be further from the truth. 01:30:45.039 --> 01:30:50.960 That's why you never really saw all the great guard work that you see every day in class. 01:30:51.199 --> 01:30:53.199 You're not seeing it in the octagon. 01:30:53.520 --> 01:31:04.800 Like why, like you're seeing armbars, triangles, and homoplatos all day in class, but then in the MMA in the MMA with these black belts against wrestlers, no gi, you're not seeing shit. 01:31:05.119 -->

01:31:05.600 Why? 01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:10.720 Because they're not spending enough time setting these submissions up without the gi. 01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:14.319 Totally different, and you had strikes. 01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:15.520 Yeah, that changes. 01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:17.199 In the beginning, headbuts were legal. 01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:19.279 That was a whole nother fucking clusterfuck. 01:31:19.439 --> 01:31:22.800 And then elbows and punches, and you don't have collars and sleeve. 01:31:23.039 --> 01:31:25.359 So to me, it was really clear. 01:31:25.600 --> 01:31:34.239 The only way we're gonna be able to fight against this dilemma is you gotta train this shit every day. 01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:37.600 You gotta take away the key, because that's the problem. 01:31:38.000 --> 01:31:46.159 That's how I saw it, based on me being the biggest jujitsu fan, me wanting jujitsu to win. 01:31:46.239 --> 01:31:50.319 I never was rooting for the wrestler over the jujitsu guy. 01:31:50.399 --> 01:31:51.279 I don't give a fuck. 01:31:51.359 --> 01:32:02.079 If that wrestler was Mexican and he was born in this in the same city my mom was born in, going against a Brazilian jiu-jitsu guy, I'm going for the jiu-jitsu guy. 01:32:02.159 --> 01:32:03.439 I don't care if he's Mexican. 01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:07.680 In MMA, it's style over blood. 01:32:08.079 --> 01:32:09.920 What I care about is the style. 01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:13.520 I never was like backing like Mexican fighters because they were Mexican. 01:32:13.680 --> 01:32:16.159 I love Brandon Moreno, I love him to death. 01:32:16.319 --> 01:32:19.920 There's some Mexican guys I love the death, but only because your jiu-jitsu is good. 01:32:20.239 --> 01:32:24.640 Brandon Moreno didn't have any jiu-jitsu, I would, I wouldn't be really looking. 01:32:24.720 --> 01:32:25.600 Yeah, I wouldn't even care. 01:32:25.760 --> 01:32:30.560 It was very important for me, the jiu-jitsu, because it started off on top. 01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:32.880 First couple years, no, no one had any doubt. 01:32:32.960 --> 01:32:34.239 Jiu-jitsu's number one. 01:32:34.399 --> 01:32:38.640 But then after a while, wrestlers started finging up jujitsu guys and neutralizing them. 01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:44.079 And then some jujitsu guys got knocked out, like Conan and Silvillera got head kicked by Maury Smith. 01:32:44.159 --> 01:32:46.239 We're going, oh my god, jujitsu's falling apart. 01:32:46.399 --> 01:32:49.840 So, what all I was trying to do was trying to help jujitsu. 01:32:49.920 --> 01:32:51.520 And we gotta fix this shit. 01:32:51.680 --> 01:32:55.359 We gotta get good at the guard without the ghee. 01:32:55.600 --> 01:33:00.560 So it could be looked at, especially through the eyes of the elders in jujitsu. 01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:02.640 Like I was a traitor to jujitsu. 01:33:02.720 --> 01:33:04.239 Like, oh I never thought that for a second. 01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:05.199 No, no, because you knew me. 01:33:05.279 --> 01:33:08.720 Yeah, and neither did Jean-Jacques, and I love they they knew what I was. 01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:10.479 I'm trying to help jujitsu. 01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:13.920 I'm like, listen, are we in love with this fucking gi? 01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:16.960 It's like a karate uniform. 01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:19.520 Dude, we're getting our asses smoked in UFC. 01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:22.079 We gotta fucking do something now. 01:33:22.239 --> 01:33:29.359 So, really, 10th Planet, when I started 10th Planet from day one, tapped out Hoiler, quit my show on the man show. 01:33:29.520 --> 01:33:30.880 It was all like, okay, cool. 01:33:31.039 --> 01:33:34.319 So for the next couple years, I'm gonna, it'll be operation. 01:33:34.399 --> 01:33:36.960 Let's fix the bottom game in MMA. 01:33:37.199 --> 01:33:39.279 I'll be doing this for like two years max. 01:33:39.359 --> 01:33:40.960 I'll get a record deal and then I'm gone. 01:33:41.199 --> 01:33:48.720 But until I get that record deal, let me solve some of the MMA bottom game problems that we're having. 01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:55.920 Let's develop a real half guard for MMA, real strategy when there's strikes. 01:33:56.000 --> 01:33:57.119 It's a clinching game. 01:33:57.199 --> 01:34:00.159 Everything's gotta be around the clinch because they're striking. 01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:01.680 We got to stop the striking, number one. 01:34:02.479 --> 01:34:08.720 So you gotta wrap them up and then not only wrap them up for defense, but wrap them up for your offense. 01:34:09.199 --> 01:34:17.920 So the problem is these guys that are practicing in the gi all day, then they go MMA and they don't really spend the time with the overks and underooks, they're clinching. 01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:20.640 They're for sure gonna clinch, whether they're holding on for dear life. 01:34:21.039 --> 01:34:22.960 Yeah, they're holding on for dear life and it's all defensive. 01:34:23.119 --> 01:34:23.359 Right, right. 01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:30.960 But what if you could that style was actually offense and the defense was just like a fringe benefit? 01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:31.359 Yeah. 01:34:31.600 --> 01:34:32.640 That's what I'm playing. 01:34:32.720 --> 01:34:33.039 Yeah, yeah. 01:34:33.359 --> 01:34:37.119 My style, I'm getting the clinch when there's no strikes for the offense. 01:34:37.279 --> 01:34:40.079 But if there was punches, I would still be doing the same thing. 01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:42.640 And it would defend me without even thinking about it. 01:34:42.720 --> 01:34:44.720 Because I want the clinch anyways for the offense. 01:34:44.800 --> 01:34:45.039 Right. 01:34:45.199 --> 01:34:46.399 Not just to survive. 01:34:46.880 --> 01:34:49.439 So that was the style I was trying to push. 01:34:49.520 --> 01:34:51.359 Because clinching stops all striking. 01:34:51.439 --> 01:34:53.680 Because when they're striking, it's easy to clinch. 01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:58.800 Like in boxing, it's so easy to clinch that you need the

referee to constantly separate guys from clinching. 01:34:59.119 --> 01:34:59.920 Why are they clinching? 01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:01.520 To stop from getting knocked out. 01:35:01.680 --> 01:35:02.880 It works in grappling. 01:35:02.960 --> 01:35:04.960 You clinch to stop from getting knocked out. 01:35:05.119 --> 01:35:05.279 Great. 01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:08.319 But then you yeah, you got to have offense from there too. 01:35:08.560 --> 01:35:08.720 Yeah. 01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:14.560 So that's what my whole style is based on is clinching, not for the defense, for the offense. 01:35:14.720 --> 01:35:17.760 And if they're striking, it's just gonna take care of itself anyways. 01:35:17.840 --> 01:35:19.359 You don't even have to change your style. 01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:20.560 I think that's brilliant. 01:35:20.640 --> 01:35:24.319 And that's the point I was gonna make when you were talking about the need to train no-gi. 01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:32.000 It's not just to train no-gi, it's to develop a style in no-gi that works in MMA, which is exactly what you did. 01:35:32.079 --> 01:35:38.079 So when I think of like mission control, like how it you're it's a full guard, it's a closed guard. 01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:41.279 Anyone who's watching MMA today would say, Whoa, that's a very bad position to be in. 01:35:41.359 --> 01:35:43.840 The guy's hovering over you, ground and pound, all that kind of stuff. 01:35:44.000 --> 01:35:51.520 But I've been in your mission control, and I'm sure it's a billion times better now than it was back then, where you are locked up. 01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:58.560 Like I am stuck, and what's about to happen if I that I can't stop is I'm gonna get triangled, or I'm going to get armboard. 01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:05.520 I can't stop it because you've created these, you've you've set in these steps, which I think is a really important part of jujitsu too. 01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:09.920 It's not just you're not like leaping out like I was saying the catch wrestle is just go for this, finish, go for that, finish. 01:36:10.079 --> 01:36:14.079 You're so meticulous that like you do this and then you go to do that. 01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:19.680 And then giving them the names, I think, is brilliant too, because that helps people then understand and remember what they're doing. 01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:20.640 That's the whole reason. 01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:21.840 Is that why you were doing that? 01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:23.199 Well, that's like wrestling. 01:36:23.439 --> 01:36:24.880 Wrestling, every move has a name. 01:36:24.960 --> 01:36:26.479 There's no move that doesn't have a name. 01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:28.479 How are you gonna teach something if you can't name it? 01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:29.199 I know, I know. 01:36:29.279 --> 01:36:32.159 When I was learning jiu-jitsu, there were lots of moves that had no name. 01:36:32.319 --> 01:36:42.960 And when and once it got a name, once someone said the term half guard, because there used

to just be, and in in my lifetime in jiu-jitsu, in Brazilian jujitsu, you kind of latch onto the guy's leg. 01:36:43.119 --> 01:36:44.880 Okay, so now he's halfway out of guard. 01:36:44.960 --> 01:36:52.479 But we didn't think of this as like a legit position called half guard that has really good sweeping potential and all that stuff. 01:36:52.560 --> 01:36:57.600 But as soon as someone started calling it half guard, then we started to look at it and say, oh, well, what is this thing called half-guard? 01:36:57.680 --> 01:36:58.720 Look, that's kind of a cool position. 01:36:58.800 --> 01:37:01.119 So you got the underhook, you can come out on top. 01:37:01.279 --> 01:37:02.960 So I really agree with what you're saying. 01:37:03.039 --> 01:37:07.359 And the fact that they're fun names and really interesting names, I don't know if you ever regretted any of those. 01:37:07.600 --> 01:37:08.560 Oh, I regret a lot of them. 01:37:08.800 --> 01:37:11.119 I call the uh there's a move called the douchebag. 01:37:11.199 --> 01:37:12.479 I wish I could take that back. 01:37:12.880 --> 01:37:26.079 Like we in regards to Rubber Guard, there's not that many uh UFC fighters in the history of the UFC that have mastered the rubber guard or practiced it enough to actually utilize it, but there have been a handful. 01:37:26.159 --> 01:37:27.439 There have been like 20. 01:37:27.600 --> 01:37:33.680 And in all instances, in all MMA, whether it's UFC, Bellator, all that. 01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:37.520 Anytime Rubber Guard has been used, and it's been used a lot in Japan. 01:37:37.760 --> 01:37:40.479 On most MMA fighters don't know how to use it. 01:37:40.560 --> 01:37:42.640 They don't, they just don't have anybody teaching them. 01:37:42.720 --> 01:37:45.199 They've somehow been convinced that it's a waste of time. 01:37:45.279 --> 01:37:54.239 But if you do the data analysis, you'll see that not one person in the history of the rubber guard being used at MMA, and it's been used a lot. 01:37:54.399 --> 01:37:55.680 No one has ever been knocked out. 01:37:55.840 --> 01:37:56.319 Got knocked out. 01:37:56.560 --> 01:37:57.840 No one's ever been knocked out. 01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:01.840 The primary function of rubber guard is just defense. 01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:10.159 Like if someone you're on your back, you're a striker, you didn't want to be on the back, but you you have all you have is defensive rubber guard, you get to mission control, get to crackhead control. 01:38:10.479 --> 01:38:11.760 Another name that I regret. 01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:16.800 Regardless of what you name it, if you're doing proper rubber guard, it's impossible to get knocked out. 01:38:16.880 --> 01:38:18.159 Yeah, it's impossible. 01:38:18.399 --> 01:38:25.920 So when in regards to safety first, defense first, and MMA rubber guard, just boom, just make sure you don't get knocked out. 01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:27.199 The referee will stand you up. 01:38:27.359 --> 01:38:31.680 You could look

at it like that and get a lot of mileage out of that strategy. 01:38:32.079 --> 01:38:41.439 Or you could learn how to use it offensively, and the D, you don't even have to think about defense because if you're using it offensively, the defense is automatic and you don't have to think about it. 01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:42.720 It's just like automatic. 01:38:42.960 --> 01:38:43.439 Yeah. 01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:44.479 So are you? 01:38:44.640 --> 01:38:47.359 You mentioned someone you're with Fedor tonight. 01:38:47.439 --> 01:38:49.920 Are you training people right now on that specifically? 01:38:50.159 --> 01:38:50.479 Yes. 01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:51.199 Oh, yeah. 01:38:51.359 --> 01:38:53.439 Fedor is one of my top guys. 01:38:53.600 --> 01:38:56.800 Fedor, Dom Lobo, he's a rubber guard master. 01:38:57.039 --> 01:38:58.640 We're working on rubber guard all the time. 01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:03.680 People can say it worker works for a dozen, whatever, but I know that it's just noises. 01:39:04.159 --> 01:39:05.680 I got guys like Dom Lobo. 01:39:05.760 --> 01:39:07.119 Shit, you don't think his rubber guard works? 01:39:07.199 --> 01:39:09.039 Get in his rubber guard, you're telling me don't work. 01:39:09.199 --> 01:39:10.239 He fucks people up. 01:39:10.319 --> 01:39:12.720 He has, and maybe you could find the B-roll. 01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:15.520 You could find Dominic Lobo, Dom Lobo. 01:39:15.680 --> 01:39:23.039 He was in combat jujitsu, and he knocked out a guy in a gogo platter, just had a go-go plata, choke at him, and knocked him the fuck out. 01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:23.760 Have you seen that video? 01:39:23.920 --> 01:39:24.239 No, I haven't. 01:39:24.800 --> 01:39:27.600 Oh yeah, it's like it's one of the most viral jujitsu videos ever. 01:39:27.760 --> 01:39:28.800 You need to b-roll that shit. 01:39:29.039 --> 01:39:29.359 We'll get it. 01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:31.439 Dom Lobo, Go-Go Plata. 01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:37.520 You could go to his Instagram, uh, Dominic Lobo, BJJ, watch the Gogo Plata knockout. 01:39:37.680 --> 01:39:44.079 It's never been done in the history of the fucking world, not even in Greco-Roman times with fucking Thanos. 01:39:44.399 --> 01:39:44.640 Yeah, yeah. 01:39:44.880 --> 01:39:45.279 All right. 01:39:45.359 --> 01:39:46.319 This has never been done. 01:39:46.479 --> 01:39:48.000 People still have doubts with RubberGuard. 01:39:48.079 --> 01:39:52.720 It's because you have to have an instructor that is good at it. 01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:56.720 And there ain't that many people that are good at it that will teach you the right way. 01:39:56.960 --> 01:40:00.880 Because there's instructors that are actually good at it, but they're not teaching it the right way. 01:40:01.039 --> 01:40:03.279 It's a long process, but it's worth it. 01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:06.159 Look into Richie Boogeyman Martinez. 01:40:06.239 --> 01:40:09.279 You could put his highlight rail, last no-gee worlds. 01:40:09.439 --> 01:40:13.359 He four matches and everybody rubber guarded and finished them. 01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:15.760 Four guys in a row, the exact same way. 01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:20.560 Nobody had any kind of offense or any kind of attack allowed. 01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:25.199 He goes out there, wrestles a little bit, pulls guard, and then just attacks and it's over. 01:40:25.279 --> 01:40:25.760 Four guys. 01:40:25.840 --> 01:40:26.960 And this is a nightmare. 01:40:27.039 --> 01:40:30.399 Yeah, it was no-gee worlds, IBJ JF at the black belt level. 01:40:30.640 --> 01:40:31.199 Boom. 01:40:31.439 --> 01:40:39.760 At the time when you were getting better than me, purple belt, brown belt for you, my only defense against it was stay out of your guard. 01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:40.319 That was my thing. 01:40:40.479 --> 01:40:42.079 It's like don't go into Eddie's guard. 01:40:42.159 --> 01:40:44.399 And by the way, don't go into his half guard either. 01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:45.520 Like, I don't know what to do. 01:40:45.600 --> 01:40:46.399 Pull him into my guard. 01:40:46.479 --> 01:40:47.840 You know, that's the only thing I could do with that. 01:40:48.479 --> 01:40:49.199 That's a good strategy. 01:40:49.439 --> 01:40:51.600 Yeah, but we sailed past that. 01:40:52.800 --> 01:40:54.159 Could we talk about music for a minute? 01:40:54.319 --> 01:40:54.640 Yes. 01:40:54.800 --> 01:40:55.359 All right. 01:40:55.760 --> 01:40:58.640 So I'll share with you a little bit about my my music history and stuff like that. 01:40:58.720 --> 01:41:00.319 But it's a lie that people don't like your stuff. 01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:01.760 I actually found you on Spotify. 01:41:01.840 --> 01:41:04.239 I really liked a lot of the stuff that I was hearing, at least on Spotify. 01:41:04.319 --> 01:41:05.600 I don't know where else your stuff is. 01:41:05.760 --> 01:41:06.560 There's a few songs. 01:41:06.720 --> 01:41:09.920 The last album I released is on Spotify and Apple Music. 01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:11.359 It's called Hook Thieves. 01:41:11.439 --> 01:41:13.119 The album is called Jar of Lies. 01:41:13.359 --> 01:41:16.159 It's like a parody on Alice and Chain's Jar of Flies. 01:41:16.640 --> 01:41:18.560 It's a parody album, Hook Thieves. 01:41:33.840 --> 01:41:34.720 I liked it. 01:41:34.960 --> 01:41:35.359 Thank you. 01:41:35.760 --> 01:41:37.520 A link between music and martial arts. 01:41:37.600 --> 01:41:41.199 For me, I think my music I've been a musician since I was a little kid. 01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:51.199 My dad left high school in San Diego, went out to New York, got into like show biz, we're talking like the 40s kind of thing, and started doing songwriting. 01:41:51.279 --> 01:41:55.439 And he wrote songs, a song called For Heaven's Sake, that was recorded by lots of people. 01:41:55.680 --> 01:41:58.479 Billy Holidays, like stuff like he was in that whole world. 01:41:58.560 --> 01:42:03.680 And then he moved out to the West Coast, did some stuff with Elvis, I mentioned, and then

kind of left that business. 01:42:03.840 --> 01:42:06.720 So I knew I'm gonna be a musician when I grew up. 01:42:06.880 --> 01:42:08.560 And I'm also like this really altruistic guy. 01:42:08.640 --> 01:42:09.439 I'm gonna save the world. 01:42:09.600 --> 01:42:10.880 I'm gonna like write music. 01:42:11.039 --> 01:42:15.199 Either I'll make a lot of money and help the world, or I'll write songs that inspire people, help the world. 01:42:15.359 --> 01:42:19.600 And so like when I went to I did go to college, I graduated high school, went to UCLA. 01:42:19.760 --> 01:42:22.000 I didn't buy a book because I didn't care about my grades. 01:42:22.079 --> 01:42:24.239 I just wanted to learn because I want to be an educated guy. 01:42:24.399 --> 01:42:26.960 So I will took classes that I wanted to take. 01:42:27.039 --> 01:42:33.119 I didn't care what my grades were because if anyone would ask me, it's like I'm not going, I'm not becoming a lawyer after college or something. 01:42:33.279 --> 01:42:34.319 I'm gonna be a musician. 01:42:34.560 --> 01:42:36.079 And I was playing in bands. 01:42:36.239 --> 01:42:38.640 And then through high school, I was on Dr. 01:42:38.800 --> 01:42:39.199 Demento. 01:42:39.359 --> 01:42:41.279 I played in this joke band called the Abysmal Pepto. 01:42:41.439 --> 01:42:41.760 Remember Dr. 01:42:41.840 --> 01:42:42.239 Demento? 01:42:42.319 --> 01:42:42.880 Yeah, I do remember. 01:42:43.119 --> 01:42:44.640 We had a song who was like number four on Dr. 01:42:44.800 --> 01:42:45.279 Demento. 01:42:45.359 --> 01:42:46.319 I got all this stuff I can play for. 01:42:46.640 --> 01:42:50.560 We're gonna hear a song next about a remarkable robot from Chicago. 01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:51.359 Dr. 01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:52.560 Demento. 01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:04.479 I was born with a test tube at my home's in Chicago. 01:43:04.640 --> 01:43:07.920 I've got my Rex on the forehead and a stone in my heart. 01:43:08.239 --> 01:43:14.640 Went to Israel for a year after I graduated college because my girlfriend was there for a year studying, and so I had nothing to do. 01:43:14.720 --> 01:43:17.039 I was just kind of hanging out with her because we were hiding from her parents. 01:43:17.119 --> 01:43:18.159 They didn't want us to be together. 01:43:18.319 --> 01:43:21.680 So she went to take a year in another country, and I went there too, and they didn't know I was there. 01:43:21.840 --> 01:43:26.479 And I started of teaching jujitsu there, training jiu-jitsu there, Karab Maga stuff in Israel. 01:43:26.640 --> 01:43:34.479 But started this band called Something from Nothing, and we were like the hot shit for foreigners, for expats who were in Jerusalem. 01:43:34.640 --> 01:43:35.840 It was really great. 01:43:37.439 --> 01:43:39.279 Goodbye, misery. 01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:00.479 Oh my god. 01:44:00.800 --> 01:44:17.600 Anyway, but when I came back, that's when I really got serious with music, and I knew like I was gonna be in music and got involved in this band that had been called Curves that had been signed, had an album out under Capitol Records, but didn't get promoted because the same AR guy had Jay Guiles band or something, and they were promoting him instead. 01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:23.279 So I played for years, and we had this rehearsal space out in Chatsworth, and I was keyboards at that time. 01:44:23.600 --> 01:44:29.520 And actually, our manager was Tom Skeeter, who was Rick Springfield's manager. 01:44:29.680 --> 01:44:30.000 Remember him? 01:44:30.079 --> 01:44:31.520 Kind of a candy rock, you know? 01:44:31.680 --> 01:44:32.319 He was his manager. 01:44:32.720 --> 01:44:35.520 He's like seven years old and he's shredded and he's yoked right now. 01:44:35.680 --> 01:44:36.479 Is he still around? 01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:37.920 He's shredded, he's playing now. 01:44:38.000 --> 01:44:41.840 He's big, he's like big now, he's making a resurgence, and he his body looks like he's 30. 01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:42.640 That's crazy. 01:44:43.119 --> 01:44:43.920 Yeah, see what he's doing. 01:44:44.079 --> 01:44:44.960 Yeah, he's shredded. 01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:50.319 So, but but Tom Skeeter also owned Sound City, which it was the big recording studio out in the valley. 01:44:50.399 --> 01:44:54.720 I don't know if you remember Metallica recorded there, yes recorded there, all these bands recorded there. 01:44:54.800 --> 01:44:58.800 So we had access to that to do demos, and we did some demos, and Sha'll play them for you sometimes. 01:44:59.039 --> 01:44:59.760 Really good. 01:45:06.720 --> 01:45:11.119 Do not know you belong with a love. 01:45:13.279 --> 01:45:16.800 But like I said, we were good, but not great, and you had to be great. 01:45:16.880 --> 01:45:37.199 And we had a big list, we would play the whiskey, we would play the Roxy, we would play like the Palomino and stuff, and we could fill the place, so they loved it because we had people that can't would come and dance and stuff, but we just I just got soured on it because and then my guys in the band, we were all friends and stuff, and they wanted fun, but they were mainly mainly more, I think, out for the girls and what most people are out for. 01:45:37.279 --> 01:45:45.039 Yeah, but I like wanted to save the world, and so that's how I moved away from that and then started to move into what I wanted to do to save the world, which is the animal stuff. 01:45:45.279 --> 01:45:50.800 But for what I've always thought with the music and jujitsu is okay, first timing. 01:45:51.039 --> 01:45:55.279 Yeah, timing is important, intensity, volume, right? 01:45:55.439 --> 01:45:57.760 So if I want to sucker you in, I turn down my volume. 01:45:57.920 --> 01:46:01.760 It's like how you lean in when the music goes in, and then suddenly you get hit with like the loud thing. 01:46:01.920 --> 01:46:03.039 I do that in jujitsu. 01:46:03.359 --> 01:46:08.880 Just all these different things I do with music where I think music and

jujitsu kind of, and I wonder, do you see those parallels? 01:46:09.039 --> 01:46:09.920 Do you feel those parallels? 01:46:10.079 --> 01:46:11.359 How you're creating your system? 01:46:11.600 --> 01:46:33.359 Well, the parallels that I see are when in regards to music, I was mixing everything: metal, hip-hop, EDM, chick singers, acoustic, the pesh mode, the cure, nine and snails, slayer. 01:46:33.600 --> 01:46:36.880 I was really into mixing everything up together. 01:46:37.039 --> 01:46:42.720 I was doing hip-hop metal with keyboards and piano 10 years before Lincoln Park. 01:46:42.880 --> 01:46:43.840 I was doing that way shit. 01:46:44.239 --> 01:46:48.800 So when people hear my shit now, they go, oh, Lincoln Park, they go, dude, I was doing that way before Lincoln Park. 01:46:48.880 --> 01:46:50.479 I was doing that shit in the early 90s. 01:46:50.560 --> 01:46:53.600 And the first Lincoln Park album came out in 2000. 01:46:53.920 --> 01:46:57.279 So that's how I correlate that with jujitsu. 01:46:57.359 --> 01:47:07.439 With like jujitsu, I was open to mixing things, cross-training, catching catch wrestling, jujitsu, yeah, whatever worked, Indonesian wrestling, if there's a good move there. 01:47:07.600 --> 01:47:12.800 So I was always open to all forms of grappling. 01:47:13.039 --> 01:47:17.199 Jiu-jitsu is always number one, but I look, I look at The Twister's a wrestling move. 01:47:17.279 --> 01:47:18.560 That's not even a jiu-jitsu move. 01:47:18.720 --> 01:47:20.399 The Brazilians thought I made that up. 01:47:20.560 --> 01:47:22.079 They thought I came up with that move. 01:47:22.159 --> 01:47:24.560 I'm like, dude, that's a high school wrestling move. 01:47:24.640 --> 01:47:26.319 Yeah, that's how my music is. 01:47:26.479 --> 01:47:30.479 My music is a mixture of everything that feels good to me. 01:47:30.720 --> 01:47:32.319 Not like I don't like all music. 01:47:32.399 --> 01:47:33.199 I'm not mixing in. 01:47:33.520 --> 01:47:38.479 I'm not like a jazz guy, I'm not an opera guy, I'm not a funk guy. 01:47:38.720 --> 01:47:45.199 I like, I was a metalhead that like goth, and I like like trance EDM too. 01:47:45.439 --> 01:47:46.319 Dark wave. 01:47:46.479 --> 01:47:52.000 I got my I'm not into blues, I'm not into jazz, I'm not into that shit. 01:47:52.079 --> 01:47:53.760 People are into that, that's not me. 01:47:53.840 --> 01:47:59.920 I'm into metal, goth, new wave, dark wave, that kind of shit. 01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:02.000 You know, so but I mix all that shit. 01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:03.840 I mix it all in together. 01:48:03.920 --> 01:48:10.079 I don't mix everything, but I mix in a lot of different genres, and that's how my jujitsu is pretty much. 01:48:10.319 --> 01:48:11.439 I totally see that. 01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:16.399 Yeah, for me in music, we were never, we were straight ahead pop rock, danceable, rock band, or whatever. 01:48:16.560 --> 01:48:20.239 I like a lot of the stuff that you're saying too, but I am a blues kind of classic rock. 01:48:20.319 --> 01:48:20.960 I mean, Zephyr. 01:48:21.600 --> 01:48:22.720 Most people love blues, you know. 01:48:22.880 --> 01:48:23.039 Yeah. 01:48:23.439 --> 01:48:26.399 My heroes love, like one of my heroes is Ace Freely. 01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:27.119 He was all in blues. 01:48:27.359 --> 01:48:27.840 Of course, of course. 01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:28.399 But I wasn't. 01:48:28.640 --> 01:48:31.760 I like what he took from blues and made it hard rock and metal. 01:48:31.840 --> 01:48:38.479 I like that, but I don't like a Mexican, I don't like mariachi, I don't like uh samba, you know what I mean? 01:48:38.560 --> 01:48:39.439 I don't like any of that. 01:48:39.520 --> 01:48:43.600 I just metal, rock, goth, EDM. 01:48:43.680 --> 01:48:49.760 I love electronic stuff as long as it's has like a epic feel to it with a little melancholy vibe. 01:48:49.920 --> 01:48:52.319 I was gonna say that doesn't lend itself to live performance. 01:48:52.479 --> 01:48:56.319 It does, but then you're being more like DJ and like managing the stuff. 01:48:56.479 --> 01:48:57.199 Do you do? 01:48:57.359 --> 01:49:01.840 Did you ever, other than the DJing, which is in its own way a live performance, right? 01:49:02.159 --> 01:49:05.199 Do you ever play music live or are you doing all recording? 01:49:05.439 --> 01:49:15.760 Yeah, like the album I just released is a it's like an acoustic parody, political, funny, dirty type little fun band. 01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:20.319 I generally produce music for real singers and real rappers. 01:49:20.479 --> 01:49:23.039 I make the music, put it all together, I produce it. 01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:28.479 I do write a lot of like joke songs that have never, I never thought of putting on an album. 01:49:28.560 --> 01:49:29.840 They're just like for my friends. 01:49:29.920 --> 01:49:38.000 And we're here with my coo, we like jam here, and I'll we'll just I'll come up with like dirty shit, violent shit, racist shit. 01:49:38.159 --> 01:49:41.039 It just never thinking to release. 01:49:41.119 --> 01:49:41.920 I've always done that. 01:49:42.079 --> 01:49:43.119 And my voice sucks. 01:49:43.199 --> 01:49:45.520 So I would like, I'm not gonna like, why would I release this? 01:49:45.600 --> 01:49:46.720 This is just for my buddies. 01:49:46.880 --> 01:49:50.079 And if the song is funny enough, it doesn't matter that your voice sucks. 01:49:50.319 --> 01:49:58.319 But during the scandemic, man, songs were just pouring out of me, just like left and right, like never before. 01:49:58.479 --> 01:49:59.680 So I wrote all these crazy. 01:50:00.479 --> 01:50:03.039 Songs during the pandemic, scamdemic, sorry. 01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:04.159 Excuse me. 01:50:04.319 --> 01:50:12.479 Then Armon would start playing piano during it, like we would just be like, and then they turned into like songs that we'd play at parties, UFC parties. 01:50:12.640 --> 01:50:14.399 And then I thought, damn, how many songs we got?

01:50:14.479 --> 01:50:16.239 And I go, let's make an album. 01:50:16.479 --> 01:50:17.840 And it was like not planned. 01:50:17.920 --> 01:50:18.880 We had all the songs written. 01:50:18.960 --> 01:50:20.239 I go, dude, we could do an album. 01:50:20.319 --> 01:50:25.119 So did an album, put it out, but it's parody comedy album. 01:50:25.279 --> 01:50:26.319 Again, it's a hook thieves. 01:50:26.720 --> 01:50:30.800 Hook thieves on Apple Music, Spotify, YouTube. 01:50:31.119 --> 01:50:32.800 The album's called Jar of Lies. 01:50:33.199 --> 01:50:47.520 The lyrics are ridiculous, but I try to counterbalance it by making the music as epic and as pretty and beautiful as possible so that you don't really notice that the lyrics are ridiculous. 01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:48.239 Yeah, no, I know. 01:50:48.560 --> 01:50:49.359 So it's a joke in itself. 01:50:49.840 --> 01:50:51.119 The music is a joke in itself. 01:50:51.279 --> 01:50:59.279 Like trying to, it's so the lyrics, but if you make the music cinematic enough, it could make it. 01:50:59.680 --> 01:51:00.399 You take it seriously. 01:51:01.039 --> 01:51:02.640 Yeah, you might not even know that it's a joke. 01:51:02.960 --> 01:51:07.920 There's some people that might like a song or two, and they don't have no idea that they're liking it for the wrong reasons. 01:51:08.079 --> 01:51:10.720 They think I'm saying this, but I'm actually saying the opposite. 01:51:10.800 --> 01:51:11.680 And you just have to do that. 01:51:12.079 --> 01:51:12.720 That is very funny. 01:51:13.119 --> 01:51:19.039 This is reminding me a little bit about my days with the abysmal peptos, which was maybe a little bit more the doctor and mentor, which was a little bit more silly. 01:51:19.119 --> 01:51:23.680 But we had a song, I don't know if I'm gonna have to cut this, but called Chainsaw Love. 01:51:23.840 --> 01:51:26.000 I won't whine you and I won't dine you. 01:51:26.159 --> 01:51:32.479 But when all the boys decline you of your beauty, I'll remind you I will take you to my tower and treat you like a queen. 01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:36.159 And the word between comes up and it has to do with the chainsaw. 01:51:36.399 --> 01:51:39.520 So, and people would go crazy because it's such a sweet song. 01:51:39.840 --> 01:51:41.279 So I'm like playing the piano guitar. 01:51:41.520 --> 01:51:47.439 It's this beautiful song, and you're like, it's like you're setting someone up for for a knockout, and then you're suddenly jamming a chainsaw. 01:51:47.600 --> 01:51:51.520 It's just like I love that's no that that's what this whole album is. 01:51:51.760 --> 01:51:59.920 We are in your HQ, we're sitting by Cage, we've got the mat over here, but we are in a corner where there is a piano and there is guitars. 01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:01.520 Like you've also got your music stuff right here. 01:52:01.600 --> 01:52:02.159 It's like your love. 01:52:02.479 --> 01:52:02.960 Yeah, yeah. 01:52:03.039 --> 01:52:08.640 After class, it's not uncommon that we do some karaoke and we jam those songs on the album. 01:52:08.800 --> 01:52:15.119 We played live, we've done a few gigs with Barn Venice and then the one in Torrance, a couple gigs. 01:52:15.279 --> 01:52:17.039 One in Austin, we did a gig. 01:52:17.199 --> 01:52:18.000 Nobody showed up. 01:52:18.239 --> 01:52:19.520 You got a mailing list? 01:52:19.920 --> 01:52:20.239 No. 01:52:22.720 --> 01:52:23.760 You put it on your socials? 01:52:23.920 --> 01:52:24.960 I'm not even trying, dude. 01:52:25.039 --> 01:52:30.479 Yeah, I put out an album, didn't send it to any record companies, record executives, AR people. 01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:31.520 Like the music doesn't have to be. 01:52:31.680 --> 01:52:32.880 This business is so different now. 01:52:34.000 --> 01:52:38.720 Back in the day when I was involved in it, there was a lot, you know, there was a lot of shit and stuff going on. 01:52:38.960 --> 01:52:42.000 But the main thing was you just wouldn't own it, you would lose your soul. 01:52:42.079 --> 01:52:43.439 Like you wouldn't get the money from it. 01:52:43.600 --> 01:52:47.199 Playing live is the only way you'd really make any money, unless you became like a big star. 01:52:47.439 --> 01:52:50.319 But I think it's become democratized a lot with Spotify and shit like that. 01:52:50.560 --> 01:52:51.680 People can put their own stuff on there. 01:52:51.760 --> 01:52:52.560 I think that's a good thing. 01:52:52.720 --> 01:52:53.199 Yeah. 01:52:53.600 --> 01:52:54.159 AI. 01:52:54.479 --> 01:53:02.319 So my experience with Suno, I had some friend who was doing some stuff with AI, and I'm all into AI, I'm using it for lots of things, whatever, it's a tool. 01:53:02.560 --> 01:53:06.239 And he said, Hey, we it can like make your song really great or something. 01:53:06.479 --> 01:53:07.279 Like, what are you talking about? 01:53:07.439 --> 01:53:09.840 So I have tons of songs that I've never recorded, right? 01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:16.720 I have songs like about animal stuff that I care about that's like expressing something I believe in, like this one, like who's afraid of the big bad wolf? 01:53:16.800 --> 01:53:25.520 And it's talking about why people are scared of wolves, and then it goes and talks about hey, wolves are really cool, and then like who's afraid of a shark, and like what how sharks are scary, but they're actually kind of cool. 01:53:25.680 --> 01:53:26.960 But then it talks about people. 01:53:27.119 --> 01:53:28.000 Like, what do people do? 01:53:28.079 --> 01:53:37.119 We kill sharks, we kill wolves, we like rape our mates, and it's like this turnaround thing, like members of the human race, hold a mirror to your face, now you're looking at the big bad wolf. 01:53:37.199 --> 01:53:38.960 And it's just cool, I'm never gonna record that. 01:53:39.119 --> 01:53:40.399 I got all these things I'm never gonna record. 01:53:40.800 --> 01:53:44.079 He says, put it on a guitar, just sing it, like Aki, whatever, sing.

01:53:44.399 --> 01:53:51.359 I give him a couple of these songs, and you notice if you know sooner, and he gives it back to me, and it's like totally produced, it's amazing. 01:53:51.520 --> 01:54:05.600 And I just like almost brought tears to my eyes, like, because I it's the first time I've like had that reaction to like a technology because I thought, wow, this has the ability to take something I wanted to say and help me say it in a way that I don't ever have the time to do it. 01:54:05.760 --> 01:54:21.680 Now, I just didn't totally agree with exactly you know the production, and I don't want to spend time on Suno like tweaking this and tweaking that, but I could see the value, not in AI originating music, which maybe it'll do at some point, but it's all derivative. 01:54:22.159 --> 01:54:23.119 It can, it can. 01:54:23.279 --> 01:54:35.279 But in taking something that is human written, and in the same way I would have gone on with my buddies and worked with them to get it the way I wanted, it would have taken weeks, or I could go pay someone else to arrange it or whatever. 01:54:35.439 --> 01:54:37.520 I'm just giving it to someone else to arrange. 01:54:37.600 --> 01:54:42.640 That someone happens to be an AI, but I just thought that was it blew me away. 01:54:42.720 --> 01:54:42.880 Yeah. 01:54:43.039 --> 01:54:43.359 I loved it. 01:54:43.520 --> 01:54:44.560 Yeah, I'm all into it too. 01:54:44.640 --> 01:54:47.119 I'm fell in into it the same way. 01:54:47.359 --> 01:54:50.800 I produced maybe 10 different projects. 01:54:51.039 --> 01:55:17.760 And each project I was writing my heart out, putting together these songs, and then the project fell apart, didn't get a record deal, but the the plan was like, oh shit, with these shitty little four-track task cam songs that I'm producing, like the dream is to get signed to a major label and get major label production with a high-level producer taking these shitty little four-track demos and and giving them same song, same lyrics, but that's everyone's goal. 01:55:17.840 --> 01:55:19.119 That's every songwriter's goal. 01:55:19.199 --> 01:55:21.119 That's everybody that's ever been in a band. 01:55:21.199 --> 01:55:21.439 Right. 01:55:21.600 --> 01:55:28.960 Their goal is to get a major record label to sign them and then get major label production. 01:55:29.439 --> 01:55:36.880 And then have your song that you recorded in your fucking garage with either a ghetto blaster or a little four-track or eight-track task camp. 01:55:36.960 --> 01:55:37.359 Task camp. 01:55:37.840 --> 01:55:38.560 Yeah, that's what I did. 01:55:38.640 --> 01:55:39.840 That's I did that my whole life. 01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:46.960 And then you don't get signed, that project goes you know down the twos, but you still have all those songs, and then you have a new project, new songs. 01:55:47.199 --> 01:55:54.800 Hopefully, can I get these songs on a major record deal and to have it sound like Rick Rubin produced it? 01:55:54.960 --> 01:55:55.920 That didn't work. 01:55:56.079 --> 01:56:02.239 And then the next project, another 10 songs, fails, falls apart, break up, arguments. 01:56:02.479 --> 01:56:03.439 Next project. 01:56:03.600 --> 01:56:06.399 So I've had all these projects over the last 40 years. 01:56:06.640 --> 01:56:10.239 I was three deep in projects by the time I started jujitsu. 01:56:10.399 --> 01:56:13.359 I was like, dude, I was making music through my whole teens and everything. 01:56:13.680 --> 01:56:18.079 Project after project, nobody signs me. 01:56:18.159 --> 01:56:21.600 There's no rec major record labels signing me. 01:56:21.760 --> 01:56:26.560 There's no Bob Rock producing my shit, making it sound like a million dollars. 01:56:26.720 --> 01:56:29.439 It still sounds like$30 production. 01:56:29.760 --> 01:56:35.359 AI gets a bad rap for like AI evil, AI demon, AI this. 01:56:35.600 --> 01:56:36.560 And it can be. 01:56:37.119 --> 01:56:40.720 In regards to music, you think like AI music bad. 01:56:41.039 --> 01:56:46.159 Like you think it's just black and white, but you don't understand how to compose music. 01:56:46.239 --> 01:56:52.560 It's a two because it is bad if you use AI to write your lyrics and to write your music. 01:56:52.720 --> 01:56:53.920 Like AI can do that. 01:56:54.159 --> 01:56:55.439 AI can write your lyrics. 01:56:55.520 --> 01:56:56.319 You just prompt it. 01:56:56.399 --> 01:57:03.119 Say, hey, write a song about a guy, meets a girl, and the girl leaves the guy because she finds another dude and guy is depressed. 01:57:03.279 --> 01:57:06.560 And then the music, you make it sound like 80s synthesis. 01:57:06.640 --> 01:57:07.039 Yeah, yeah. 01:57:07.199 --> 01:57:09.359 And boom, 20 seconds, you got a song. 01:57:09.439 --> 01:57:09.680 Yeah. 01:57:09.840 --> 01:57:11.119 That's those songs suck. 01:57:11.279 --> 01:57:13.279 And it's like, oh, AI is writing music. 01:57:13.520 --> 01:57:14.960 Writing music is easy. 01:57:15.119 --> 01:57:16.239 Writing lyrics is easy. 01:57:16.399 --> 01:57:17.520 Kids write poems. 01:57:17.680 --> 01:57:18.640 It's not that hard. 01:57:18.800 --> 01:57:25.119 But AI is never gonna write a song for you, like where it wrote the lyrics and it wrote the music, and you're gonna put it on repeat. 01:57:25.279 --> 01:57:26.239 It's not gonna happen. 01:57:26.319 --> 01:57:28.000 There's no way AI can do that. 01:57:28.239 --> 01:57:28.880 Impossible. 01:57:29.039 --> 01:57:30.159 It's not gonna write its song. 01:57:30.239 --> 01:57:34.880 If you're putting on an AI song on repeat, you're yeah, you're not discriminating taste. 01:57:35.600 --> 01:57:38.079 The songs you put on repeat come from human experiences. 01:57:38.319 --> 01:57:39.439 AI can't do that. 01:57:39.760 --> 01:57:41.680 But it's not black and white. 01:57:41.920 --> 01:57:42.239 Production. 01:57:42.399 --> 01:57:45.359 You could take a song, and this is what I'm doing, this is what you're doing. 01:57:45.520

--> 01:57:55.920 Songs that I wrote 25 years ago that are just sitting collecting dust in the archives of my hard drive of music that I will never go back and reproduce that shit. 01:57:56.000 --> 01:57:56.800 I don't have time. 01:57:56.960 --> 01:58:00.239 You know how much money it costs to do one song high level? 01:58:00.399 --> 01:58:01.840 Because I am doing high-level shit. 01:58:01.920 --> 01:58:03.520 I have high-level engineers now. 01:58:03.680 --> 01:58:05.359 Now I do Danny Lohner. 01:58:05.840 --> 01:58:12.000 I pay him and he makes high-level shit, high-level major, but it takes forever for one song. 01:58:12.239 --> 01:58:13.279 It might take two years. 01:58:13.439 --> 01:58:20.560 By the time we get together, we get together for two days, and then he's doing all other shit, and then we get back to six months later, and then it takes forever. 01:58:20.800 --> 01:58:21.840 No, it's later. 01:58:22.560 --> 01:58:27.359 So now with AI, with Suno, you could take all those songs, and I'm that's what I'm doing. 01:58:27.439 --> 01:58:33.199 I've been doing this for like six months, taking all the songs that were not gonna do anything. 01:58:33.520 --> 01:58:35.520 Past projects that I'm not gonna redo. 01:58:35.600 --> 01:58:37.279 I don't have, I would like to redo it. 01:58:37.359 --> 01:58:42.720 I would like to see how it would sound with major label because I still got this old songs, I still keep track of them, but I ain't gonna do it. 01:58:42.800 --> 01:58:44.880 It's gonna cost too much money, too much time. 01:58:45.039 --> 01:58:55.199 But now I could take those old songs uploaded to Suno, and it takes the song, a completed song, with lyrics and vocal melodies and the same chord structures, the same music. 01:58:55.359 --> 01:59:11.760 You tell it what you want, and then you it give it pops back the same song, but if it was signed a major label with major label production, insane, the masterings done, yeah, everything, the mixing, the production, same song. 01:59:12.000 --> 01:59:12.560 I know. 01:59:12.800 --> 01:59:13.359 Yeah, I know. 01:59:13.439 --> 01:59:14.800 That's what brought tears to my eye. 01:59:14.960 --> 01:59:16.000 Yeah, so that's what I'm doing. 01:59:16.159 --> 01:59:22.000 Yeah, so what I'm doing is I'm taking all the projects that I've done before and having Lana Del Rey sing them. 01:59:22.159 --> 01:59:22.640 I love it. 01:59:22.720 --> 01:59:25.920 Oh Lana Del Rey versions of all my old songs. 01:59:26.159 --> 01:59:29.520 So no matter what it is, whether it's a rap, it's Lana Del Rey rapping. 01:59:29.680 --> 01:59:32.960 Whether it's speed metal, it's Lana Del Rey doing speed metal. 01:59:33.119 --> 01:59:38.560 Whether it's like all the the I produced a lot of actual Lana style songs. 01:59:38.720 --> 01:59:44.960 I've done a I was doing Gina, but the first female vocalist I was working with, first four songs we did was in 2000. 01:59:45.119 --> 01:59:46.800 Lana Del Rey was like 11. 01:59:46.960

--> 01:59:57.920 We were already doing that, like super sexual, like old style, not doing vocal gymnastics like, you know, because like Lana Del Rey isn't singing like like Christina Aguilera. 01:59:58.159 --> 02:00:03.199 She's not singing like Beyonce, she's not doing vocal gymnastics, which I appreciate and which is amazing. 02:00:03.359 --> 02:00:08.960 But I like vocalists that are just all soul, like Lana Del Rey and like Gina, my first vocalist. 02:00:09.039 --> 02:00:17.600 So when I listen to Lana Del Rey, I'm like, oh my God, that's what Gina was trying to do, but we didn't have the major label production, but Lana's doing what me and Gina were doing. 02:00:17.760 --> 02:00:22.000 So what I'm doing now is all my shit, Lana Del Rey. 02:00:22.079 --> 02:00:23.359 I got a playlist on YouTube. 02:00:23.520 --> 02:00:31.439 I have like, I've done a million songs already, a million versions, but I have like the top 23 Lana Del Rey covers. 02:00:31.600 --> 02:00:36.319 So basically, the playlist is called If Lana Covered. 02:00:36.399 --> 02:00:41.439 So basically, every video is gonna be If Lana Covered, Social Distancing by Hook Pete. 02:00:58.720 --> 02:01:00.239 That's what I'm I'm obsessed with now. 02:01:00.479 --> 02:01:09.520 So now all these old songs that I would have never resurrected, now I get to see what they sound like if they're if I would have got signed. 02:01:09.760 --> 02:01:10.479 So that's the beauty. 02:01:11.119 --> 02:01:14.000 So I put them all on a playlist called If Lana Covered. 02:01:14.079 --> 02:01:23.039 And then all the songs, If Lana covered Tonight It Ends by Smoke Serpent, If Lana covered Falling Under by Temple of Mere, all these different projects that I produce. 02:01:23.199 --> 02:01:25.600 And then you want to say, oh, that's AI, that's fake. 02:01:25.680 --> 02:01:30.880 Why don't you go in the description, click the link, and you'll see what who wrote that song? 02:01:30.960 --> 02:01:33.439 You'll see the AI write that song, or did I write that song? 02:01:33.520 --> 02:01:35.279 So I'm having fucking fun with that, dude. 02:01:35.439 --> 02:01:36.720 I fucking love it. 02:01:36.880 --> 02:01:37.920 Put it on shuffle. 02:01:38.079 --> 02:01:47.119 Smoke a number, if Lana covered playlist, smoke a join, put it on shuffle, boom, and then come back and talk to me. 02:01:47.359 --> 02:01:48.319 I love it, man. 02:01:48.479 --> 02:01:49.119 I really love it. 02:01:49.199 --> 02:01:50.319 It's a great use of AI. 02:01:50.479 --> 02:01:51.359 Hell yeah, I love it. 02:01:51.439 --> 02:01:51.600 Yeah. 02:01:51.760 --> 02:01:54.479 And AI can never fuck with jujitsu. 02:01:54.800 --> 02:01:56.479 AI can take over every job. 02:01:56.640 --> 02:02:02.319 That's exactly it ain't taking over jujitsu because what people pay for, the reason why there's money in jujitsu is for the rolling. 02:02:02.399 --> 02:02:03.840 You can't have AI rolling. 02:02:04.000 --> 02:02:04.399 100%. 02:02:04.800 --> 02:02:05.359 You

know what I mean? 02:02:05.600 --> 02:02:09.439 The true interpersonal AI ain't fucking with jiu-jitsu at all. 02:02:09.600 --> 02:02:10.720 Yeah, your job is secure. 02:02:10.880 --> 02:02:11.680 Oh my god. 02:02:11.840 --> 02:02:13.760 Like, I don't have to worry about that. 02:02:13.840 --> 02:02:14.640 I love AI. 02:02:14.800 --> 02:02:16.159 Yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying. 02:02:16.319 --> 02:02:18.640 All right, just before I let you go, animals. 02:02:18.800 --> 02:02:20.640 What's the cat cafe you said you're doing? 02:02:20.800 --> 02:02:27.039 Yeah, I got currently I have 13 cats, and we're using my house right now as a cat rescue. 02:02:27.199 --> 02:02:30.960 And out of the 13, six are actually mine. 02:02:31.199 --> 02:02:33.359 Seven are fosters that we're fostering. 02:02:33.439 --> 02:02:37.359 And we're just we're just trying to, me and my wife trying to save as many cats as possible. 02:02:37.600 --> 02:02:42.880 And we are definitely doing the groundwork for a cat rescue slash cafe. 02:02:42.960 --> 02:02:43.279 Yeah. 02:02:43.439 --> 02:02:51.039 We want to open up a cat cat face rescue where you go, you hang out with the cats, it's Wi-Fi, you have coffee, cat cafe. 02:02:51.199 --> 02:02:53.279 If you get attached to one, you could adopt it. 02:02:53.359 --> 02:02:54.479 And we're like, that's what we're doing. 02:02:54.640 --> 02:02:55.199 I love a couple of cats. 02:02:55.279 --> 02:02:58.239 Like we're just we got like five cats out here in the back at night. 02:02:58.319 --> 02:02:59.119 I feed them every night. 02:02:59.199 --> 02:03:00.319 The alley cats. 02:03:00.479 --> 02:03:02.079 I'm I'm obsessed with cats. 02:03:02.319 --> 02:03:03.279 I love cats. 02:03:03.439 --> 02:03:06.239 Okay, if I didn't love you before, which I did, I love you double now. 02:03:06.399 --> 02:03:11.600 I think because anybody so okay, so cats are like when I feed cats, like every night, dude. 02:03:11.680 --> 02:03:15.279 I'm fucking broken after training. 02:03:15.520 --> 02:03:16.159 Dead. 02:03:16.399 --> 02:03:18.640 I can't even sometimes I can't even hang out. 02:03:18.720 --> 02:03:20.960 I'm like, I just need to go home and go to bed. 02:03:21.359 --> 02:03:26.079 But it feels so good that there's no way I'm not gonna feed those fucking cats. 02:03:26.159 --> 02:03:29.760 If I have food, there's no matter how tired, I'm gonna go get them. 02:03:29.920 --> 02:03:31.920 They're high, they're hiding behind these buildings and shit. 02:03:32.159 --> 02:03:35.840 As soon as I click the clack, clutch, they all come out, boom. 02:03:36.000 --> 02:03:42.319 And then it's it feels so good to feed a cat. 02:03:42.560 --> 02:03:43.600 It feels so good. 02:03:43.840 --> 02:03:47.840 Like you're bonding with them, like you're feeding them and they get closer. 02:03:47.920 --> 02:03:51.199 Every time you feed them, they get closer to you and they trust you more. 02:03:51.359 --> 02:03:52.239 I fucking love that. 02:03:52.399 --> 02:03:57.439 That's what I love about cats, is they'll only show you love if you show them love. 02:03:57.600 --> 02:04:02.399 Yeah, you're like dogs, dogs are like like a reflection of God. 02:04:02.720 --> 02:04:07.359 A dog will love everybody unconditionally, like God. 02:04:07.439 --> 02:04:09.439 And it's weird, the dog is God backwards. 02:04:09.520 --> 02:04:13.279 So like a like a dog is like a reflection of God. 02:04:13.439 --> 02:04:17.119 Like, damn, they just love you, no questions asked, and they love everybody. 02:04:17.199 --> 02:04:19.279 Yeah, a stranger comes over, they love you. 02:04:19.520 --> 02:04:20.880 Cats are not like that. 02:04:21.039 --> 02:04:28.239 A cat's are a reflection of you, not of God, because a cat will do for you what you do for it. 02:04:28.479 --> 02:04:31.840 If you ain't gonna give that cat no love, the cat don't give a f about you. 02:04:32.159 --> 02:04:34.479 He can care less about you if you care less about it. 02:04:34.640 --> 02:04:40.079 But if you show it love and you feed it and you pet it, then it gives you love back. 02:04:40.239 --> 02:04:41.680 I like I'm obsessed with that. 02:04:41.760 --> 02:04:45.279 I'm obsessed with the personal connections I have with all my cats. 02:04:45.439 --> 02:04:46.399 Every cat is a different. 02:04:46.720 --> 02:04:51.359 We cuddle a different way, I pet them a different way, they act a different way. 02:04:51.520 --> 02:04:54.640 Every cat is totally different, they all got their own personalities. 02:04:54.960 --> 02:04:56.079 Litters are my favorite. 02:04:56.239 --> 02:05:02.159 Like we had a litter of four recently, and just bringing them up, they're like two months. 02:05:02.800 --> 02:05:17.680 Watching them with cats is like it's insane what you can learn from cats, how amazing they are, because like a dolphin, a baby dolphin, learns everything from their mother, learns how to hunt, where to stay away from. 02:05:18.319 --> 02:05:23.920 Cats, they are the most perfect killing machines on earth. 02:05:24.159 --> 02:05:32.239 All cats, tigers, house cats, jaguars, perfect killing machines that need no private training. 02:05:32.479 --> 02:05:35.199 They know, they don't need no one to show them. 02:05:36.000 --> 02:05:43.680 They are perfect killing machines, they know how to stop, they're the most athletic, the most graceful, the most beautiful creatures. 02:05:43.840 --> 02:05:47.199 There's no animals more athletic than cats. 02:05:47.439 --> 02:05:56.399 They're the most athletic, the most graceful, and they're the top predators, they're the best at killing and knowing how to show them. 02:05:56.479 --> 02:05:58.000 It's all in their instincts. 02:05:58.319 --> 02:05:59.039 They all know. 02:05:59.199 --> 02:06:01.920 As kitties, all they do is practice killing each other. 02:06:02.079 --> 02:06:03.680 They're just practice killing each other. 02:06:04.640 --> 02:06:07.680 But they they they pull guard, cats pull guard all the time.

02:06:07.760 --> 02:06:10.720 So when people say guard pulling is for pussies, watch cats. 02:06:10.800 --> 02:06:12.560 They pull guard all the fucking time. 02:06:12.720 --> 02:06:16.640 Because they pull guard and they want to use their hind legs to scratch your fucking organs. 02:06:16.720 --> 02:06:17.920 Yeah, you know, just cut. 02:06:18.079 --> 02:06:23.039 I'm fucking fascinated with their instincts. 02:06:23.279 --> 02:06:30.640 Not only it's it in their blood that they're like perfect killing and hunting machines, but they know how to clean themselves. 02:06:30.800 --> 02:06:31.760 No one taught them how to clean. 02:06:32.000 --> 02:06:32.880 They never watched their mom. 02:06:33.359 --> 02:06:34.880 They know exactly how to clean themselves. 02:06:34.960 --> 02:06:37.039 They're killing the phone, they're like, uh-uh-uh-uh. 02:06:40.000 --> 02:06:41.119 They know how to clean themselves. 02:06:41.199 --> 02:06:43.199 Like, how who taught them that? 02:06:43.520 --> 02:06:48.960 They know how to kill and they know exactly where to go when there's like a loud noise. 02:06:49.199 --> 02:06:55.920 They don't ever stutter, they go right behind the couch or right behind this fucking dresser. 02:06:56.000 --> 02:06:59.840 They know exactly where to go in a flash when there's some shit going down. 02:07:00.000 --> 02:07:02.399 Yeah, they don't like go and go, oh my god, what's going on? 02:07:02.560 --> 02:07:04.880 They know where to go, they bolt, you know what I mean? 02:07:04.960 --> 02:07:09.920 And they all they sleep, the litter sleep together, they play together, they they groom each other together. 02:07:10.079 --> 02:07:13.600 I fucking love I can I feel like Jane Goodall of cats. 02:07:13.680 --> 02:07:17.039 I'm like, God damn, these creatures are amazing. 02:07:17.279 --> 02:07:17.680 They are. 02:07:17.760 --> 02:07:20.800 I mean, all animals are in different ways, but cats certainly are. 02:07:20.880 --> 02:07:25.439 And okay, so I've grew up mainly with dogs, came absolutely love cats. 02:07:25.600 --> 02:07:27.199 A cat taught me how to love cats. 02:07:27.279 --> 02:07:44.159 I was living out in Chatsworth decades ago, out in this mountain-y kind of thing, off the beaten track, walked outside my house, was doing some kung fu, I used to do kung fu in high school, like deep stance, and out of nowhere, off of like this rock, there's no houses around, a cat walks up and jumps on my thigh looking at me. 02:07:44.319 --> 02:07:46.399 I didn't know cats, I'd never had a cat. 02:07:46.640 --> 02:07:48.319 And that cat like adopted me. 02:07:48.560 --> 02:07:48.880 Damn. 02:07:49.039 --> 02:07:50.000 And then stayed with me. 02:07:50.159 --> 02:07:51.520 We would go on walks together. 02:07:51.840 --> 02:07:57.359 That cat knew all the neighborhood dogs, was cool with them, and that cat literally taught me how to deal with cats. 02:07:57.439 --> 02:08:00.000 And exactly all the stuff that you're saying, how you go to them is amazing. 02:08:00.079 --> 02:08:02.239 It's like a they have a wisdom, you know what I mean? 02:08:02.319 --> 02:08:06.159 It's like they are an incarnation almost of like something else, like an old soul. 02:08:06.319 --> 02:08:07.920 That's what that cat was was an old soul. 02:08:08.319 --> 02:08:10.079 That's why Egyptians worshiped him. 02:08:10.239 --> 02:08:10.640 Yeah, yeah. 02:08:10.800 --> 02:08:13.039 So I thought I was gonna be a musician, all that kind of stuff. 02:08:13.119 --> 02:08:14.079 I was gonna save the world. 02:08:14.239 --> 02:08:21.840 And then what happened was one night I get this call that a cousin of mine tragically died, a young cousin of mine got run over, and I'm like, shit, life is short. 02:08:22.159 --> 02:08:24.399 And I'm not like succeeding at this music stuff. 02:08:24.479 --> 02:08:25.279 What if I die tomorrow? 02:08:25.359 --> 02:08:26.479 I didn't like help the world. 02:08:26.640 --> 02:08:31.279 So I thought, and I was like, I don't know, 28 years old, and I thought, well, what how do I want to help the world? 02:08:31.359 --> 02:08:32.399 What if I did it right now? 02:08:32.640 --> 02:08:33.600 What if I quit my job? 02:08:33.680 --> 02:08:35.520 I was working like computers or law firm. 02:08:35.680 --> 02:08:41.840 And I said, Well, I want to help like the less fortunate, like kids or people who are like, I hate bullies. 02:08:41.920 --> 02:08:42.640 I've always hated bullies. 02:08:42.720 --> 02:08:44.079 That's my whole martial arts stuff. 02:08:44.239 --> 02:08:47.840 But animals, man, they're in the face of humans, they're defenseless. 02:08:48.000 --> 02:08:49.760 You know, people who abuse animals, whatever. 02:08:49.840 --> 02:08:51.199 I just thought animals is my thing. 02:08:51.279 --> 02:08:52.960 And so that's how I switched. 02:08:53.119 --> 02:08:56.720 And it's a long story of how I got it, got into animal nonprofit work, blah, blah, blah, blah. 02:08:57.119 --> 02:09:01.840 Ended up creating adoptapet.com, which became the world's largest nonprofit pet adoption website. 02:09:02.000 --> 02:09:02.479 I totally know. 02:09:02.720 --> 02:09:03.039 That's you. 02:09:03.439 --> 02:09:03.840 That was me. 02:09:04.079 --> 02:09:08.399 And my nonprofit created it, and we had millions of dollars of sponsorships. 02:09:08.640 --> 02:09:10.319 Purina, because what did we have? 02:09:10.399 --> 02:09:12.800 We had the eyeballs of people who were looking to adopt pets. 02:09:12.880 --> 02:09:14.159 What does Purina want? 02:09:14.399 --> 02:09:20.560 Those people, they will say, hey, here's your pet, we're gonna give you some food, we're gonna give you a leash, we're gonna give you a collar, we're gonna give you health insurance, whatever. 02:09:20.720 --> 02:09:24.399 And so it was a super successful nonprofit thing, multi-million dollar thing. 02:09:24.560 --> 02:09:32.479 But I thought, okay, we've done a lot of good stuff for dogs and cats, but then I look at what's going on at factory

farms with how we're raising meat today. 02:09:32.560 --> 02:09:36.880 And we're not talking about how it used to be just have a chicken and then go slaughter the chicken, fine. 02:09:36.960 --> 02:09:40.720 Or we're not talking about going out and hunting and taking an animal that is fine. 02:09:40.880 --> 02:09:45.920 We're talking about this concentrated things where we're growing a million chickens in one barn. 02:09:46.000 --> 02:09:47.680 Like it's unbelievable what's going on. 02:09:47.840 --> 02:09:52.720 And so we sold adopthepet.com to Mars, which is Pure News competitor. 02:09:52.800 --> 02:09:54.640 They have pedigree, IMs, all that stuff. 02:09:54.800 --> 02:09:58.079 They're running it, they hired all my people, they have an incentive. 02:09:58.399 --> 02:10:00.000 We talked about align your incentives. 02:10:00.079 --> 02:10:02.159 They want people to adopt pets so they can make money. 02:10:02.319 --> 02:10:03.119 Beautiful. 02:10:03.359 --> 02:10:06.479 We got all these millions of dollars, and now we're working on farm animals. 02:10:06.640 --> 02:10:08.079 So that's my personal thing, right? 02:10:08.239 --> 02:10:15.760 So I'd be very happy to help you with any advice on the setting of the nonprofits, because we had 11,000 nonprofits posting their pets on Adopt the Pet. 02:10:15.840 --> 02:10:19.119 And that's what you'll want to do if if you want to start adopting out pets that way. 02:10:19.279 --> 02:10:21.600 There's Pet Finder was one, the for-profit one. 02:10:21.680 --> 02:10:24.079 Now Adopt the Pets also for-profit because it got bought. 02:10:24.319 --> 02:10:28.640 But and then my work, we talked about, we haven't even talked about conspiracies, and we don't have to get into it right now. 02:10:28.720 --> 02:10:31.359 But I'll tell you what, I see it as a conspiracy. 02:10:31.439 --> 02:10:41.760 When I look at how meat is portrayed right now, and about how like people, the big companies make it look like there's a little farmer and the American farmer, and there's raising the chimney. 02:10:42.399 --> 02:10:43.279 And I love the American farmer. 02:10:43.439 --> 02:10:47.760 And I got friends who are, like you said, regenerative, grazing, you know, all that kind of stuff. 02:10:47.920 --> 02:10:55.199 They are getting squeezed by these multinational corporations, like four of them, that basically they're slaves to those companies. 02:10:55.359 --> 02:11:02.800 They don't own their chickens, they don't own the animals, they don't own the genetics, they don't own the feed, but they own all the debt on their machinery and on their houses and stuff. 02:11:02.960 --> 02:11:22.560 And then those big companies, like JB, JBS, and these are international companies, some of them not even owned in the United States, make it out like, oh, you gotta give us all these subsidies and stuff, and then they buy off politicians and they'd get all these subsidies and they do all the stuff and they jack the animals up with antibiotics because they will die on factory farms if they don't have antibiotics. 02:11:22.720 --> 02:11:29.359 Big pharma is involved in that too, because they're making, they sell more money for animal antibiotics than they do for human antibiotics. 02:11:29.600 --> 02:11:35.760 So you've got this whole situation that's set up that's not natural for the animals, it's bad for the animals, it's not good for our health. 02:11:36.079 --> 02:11:40.960 Farmers, the actual farmers, the good old American farmers, they're like net negative on income. 02:11:41.119 --> 02:11:42.640 It's unbelievable what's going on with them. 02:11:42.720 --> 02:11:52.720 So I'd like to see a world where we really do rescue farmers where meat, if people are eating meat, if they hunt it, great, if you can do that, but most people can't do that because they're not living in a place where they can do that, fine. 02:11:52.960 --> 02:12:00.960 But that animals are raised humanely, not in these crazy situations where we've got to pump them full of drugs, where all these kind of lies are going on. 02:12:01.039 --> 02:12:02.479 That's my personal conspiracy thing. 02:12:02.960 --> 02:12:03.600 I'm all with that. 02:12:03.760 --> 02:12:03.920 Yeah. 02:12:04.079 --> 02:12:04.880 I'm all with that. 02:12:05.119 --> 02:12:05.359 Yeah. 02:12:05.600 --> 02:12:06.079 Hell yeah. 02:12:06.239 --> 02:12:08.720 Because I don't think any, you don't have to be a vegetarian or whatever. 02:12:08.800 --> 02:12:12.239 Like all the people, the whole, all the board of my organization, none of them are vegetarians. 02:12:12.399 --> 02:12:13.680 I have nothing to do with that, right? 02:12:13.840 --> 02:12:15.760 I'm not telling people they shouldn't eat meat or whatever. 02:12:15.840 --> 02:12:18.720 I happen to choose not to myself, but that's a different issue. 02:12:18.880 --> 02:12:21.359 Anybody can agree that system's fucked up. 02:12:21.520 --> 02:12:21.760 Yeah. 02:12:21.920 --> 02:12:22.159 Right? 02:12:22.479 --> 02:12:23.119 No, for sure. 02:12:23.359 --> 02:12:26.079 Anyway, I'm glad to hear that you're doing the cat stuff. 02:12:26.159 --> 02:12:26.399 Oh, yeah. 02:12:26.720 --> 02:12:27.199 I should go. 02:12:27.359 --> 02:12:28.560 I gotta run off to a concert. 02:12:28.640 --> 02:12:32.880 We were talking about I invited you, but you couldn't come to Santana and Doobie Brothers. 02:12:33.119 --> 02:12:35.520 Yeah, I got Fedor training camp tonight. 02:12:35.600 --> 02:12:36.880 I can't miss that. 02:12:36.960 --> 02:12:37.039 Yeah. 02:12:37.279 --> 02:12:38.079 Sometime we'll talk. 02:12:38.159 --> 02:12:41.279 I decided years ago that I want to see all my favorite bands before they're dead. 02:12:41.520 --> 02:12:43.039 And they're old and they're dying. 02:12:43.199 --> 02:12:44.000 And you know what? 02:12:44.159 --> 02:12:46.960 I didn't have the money when I was a kid, but I got the money now. 02:12:47.119 --> 02:12:55.439 And so I'll pay for like good seats, and I get up there, maybe

it's 10th row or something, and I'll turn around and I can imagine being on the stage because you see what they see, kind of right. 02:12:55.680 --> 02:12:58.720 Yeah, and it's been like the funnest thing in my whole life. 02:12:58.880 --> 02:13:01.279 If I can get that close, sometimes I can't because it's just too expensive. 02:13:01.439 --> 02:13:05.039 Yeah, but I'll tell you, Elton John, I loved him because I was a piano player as a kid. 02:13:05.279 --> 02:13:07.199 I got to have my elbows on the stage. 02:13:07.359 --> 02:13:08.720 He came through San Francisco. 02:13:08.800 --> 02:13:11.520 I was like 20th row, fine, but then they let you walk up. 02:13:11.600 --> 02:13:14.399 And I I'll tell you, he was like from here across the room. 02:13:14.720 --> 02:13:16.319 It was like the most fun I've ever had. 02:13:16.479 --> 02:13:16.960 That's awesome. 02:13:17.119 --> 02:13:19.199 I think I'm a live music. 02:13:19.439 --> 02:13:20.000 It was incredible. 02:13:20.159 --> 02:13:22.319 Tiny dancer when he plays it just on piano. 02:13:22.479 --> 02:13:22.960 Oh my god. 02:13:23.119 --> 02:13:24.239 He crushes that shit. 02:13:24.319 --> 02:13:25.359 It's like effortless. 02:13:25.520 --> 02:13:27.039 He's like, it makes you want to quit music. 02:13:27.119 --> 02:13:28.319 You're like, that guy's too talented. 02:13:28.399 --> 02:13:29.199 What the fuck am I doing? 02:13:29.680 --> 02:13:32.720 Well, you made me want to, you make people want to quit jujitsu, but that's a whole other thing. 02:13:33.199 --> 02:13:33.840 All right, listen. 02:13:34.000 --> 02:13:35.760 Hey, you've been super generous with your time. 02:13:36.319 --> 02:13:37.439 Thank you very much, Dave. 02:13:37.520 --> 02:13:38.239 I love you, man. 02:13:38.399 --> 02:13:38.880 I love you too. 02:13:39.359 --> 02:13:39.920 This was awesome. 02:13:40.079 --> 02:13:42.159 And thanks, yeah, and we'll get on a mat at some point. 02:13:42.239 --> 02:13:42.880 Take care of your body. 02:13:42.960 --> 02:13:43.279 Hell yeah. 02:13:43.600 --> 02:13:44.000 Most important thing. 02:13:44.239 --> 02:13:44.720 See you guys. 02:13:44.960 --> 02:13:47.279 I hope you enjoyed my conversation with Eddie Bravo. 02:13:47.600 --> 02:13:52.319 You'll find links in the show notes to all the things we discussed, including his music, for you to check out. 02:13:52.560 --> 02:13:59.840 Thanks to my team, Robbie, Phil, Kyle, Angela, David, and to Ryan Peach Turner, my producer and chief editor, for your help. 02:14:00.000 --> 02:14:02.399 And thanks also to the show sponsors and supporters. 02:14:02.479 --> 02:14:06.880 And you can see them on our supporters page at AngelessWarrior Lab.com. 02:14:07.119 --> 02:14:19.840 If you liked hearing about the early days of BJJ in the US, you can check out my show with fellow BJJ Dirty Dozen member and the first American Machado Black Belt, Bob Bass, which is episode number 21. 02:14:20.000 --> 02:14:22.239 I'll be back next week with more lessons from the lab. 02:14:22.319 --> 02:14:27.439 And until then, keep developing your strength, your wisdom, and go out and do good in the world.