The Rehab Industry Doesn't Want You to Know This: How an Ex-Addict Rewires Brains With AI의 전체 녹취록

you're a closing expert. 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:09.360 Yeah. 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:13.840 And of course you can get into all more your expertise. 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:16.800 And also though, mindset. 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:29.840 I feel like you are really skilled in explaining and helping people with their mindset and breaking through barriers or things like that. 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:38.639 But could we back up a little bit and can you share about your background, your history, and how you got into what you're doing now? 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:39.919 Yeah, absolutely. 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:42.080 Uh so it's a little bit of a long story. 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:44.319 Um, so buckle up, but it's a good one. 00:02:44.479 --> 00:02:45.199 I promise that. 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:48.240 It's definitely uh exciting and adventurous. 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:59.680 So, okay, so um I'm a I'm obviously a sober life coach now, uh, but uh I struggled with drugs and alcohol for a long time. 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:05.039 And uh it really started in high school, but it didn't get out of hand until after college. 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:08.719 And I uh I worked for State Farm Insurance. 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:20.639 I was an agency field specialist, so I helped or uh I would help the 56 agents in the LA market area basically grow their business, book a business, and do that with sales strategies and marketing. 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:23.919 So my background's in marketing, I majored in marketing and sales. 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:31.120 Um, but when I got that job, I was 22, straight out of college, and it was a great, good gig. 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:34.479 Uh and uh and I was just in over my head. 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:48.639 Like I um I was drinking a lot, and then I got into some other usage for substances, and uh, and then the company went virtual, and that's when I really lost it because I was working at home doing whatever I wanted to do. 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:54.000 And um, long story short, I ended up uh in rehab. 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:58.560 I've been to rehab five times, and this is where the story gets juicy, I promise. 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:04.400 Um, but I've been to rehab five times, and every single time was for a different substance or alcohol. 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:08.400 Uh, and so I've pretty much done it all and been addicted to a lot of different things. 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:10.719 Cross addiction is definitely part of my story. 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:20.079 And uh and I went through rehab and AA, and those things would help me get sober, me personally, right? 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:21.439 This is just me personally. 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:24.720 It would help me get sober, but not stay sober. 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:33.199 I had I I would stay like sober six months, and then emotional stuff would happen, and I didn't know how to deal with my emotions, and then I would, you know, relapse. 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:37.040 And um, and uh I

I just kept trying though. 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:39.680 I kept like learning new things every single time. 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:50.959 And then I was in rehab for the fifth time after being homeless for a year and a half in Chicago, Illinois, and uh and strung out on drugs and alcohol uh was the culprit. 00:04:51.519 --> 00:05:01.600 And uh I checked myself into rehab, it was the only time that I did that, and I ended up um ended up reading this book. 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:11.439 My sister gifted me this book, and the the book introduced me to neuroscience uh and a a new perspective and way and way to look at sobriety. 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:18.879 Uh the book's not about sobriety, has nothing to do with it, but it just opened my mind to maybe there's maybe I need more help. 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:19.920 I was selfish. 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:22.079 So I started doing the tools in the book. 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:28.079 The book's called Think Like a Monk by Jay Shetty, and I started doing the tools in the book and they worked. 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:30.560 And I was like, oh my god, this is helping me stay sober. 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:32.240 This is helped me get and stay sober. 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:35.199 So, but these tools taught me to be calm. 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:46.480 And uh it like it was like a preventative measure rather than wait till after I blew up or after something would happen, and then trying to deal with my emotions, I would deal with them beforehand, right? 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:48.240 And that was the new way for me. 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:59.519 Um so I start I I got certified as a coach, sort of uh sober life coach at J Shetty School, and then I um started sober life coaching. 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:07.920 And uh, and to this date I've helped over 80 people get and stay sober with a 92% success rate using the neuroscience-backed tools and techniques that I use. 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:16.720 Um and uh up until about last uh last January on the side, I was also working for Jay Shetty as a sales closer. 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:18.399 So I was doing both, right? 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:25.920 Um, and uh and it was great, but I couldn't get my business up and rolling as much as I wanted to because I was doing the sales job. 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:36.399 So I quit that in January, and that's when I met Shaq and Matt, who uh Matt's the but in the meantime, uh I still wanted to sharpen my sales closing skills. 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:41.920 So uh I just started uh a new position about two weeks ago, and it's all AI. 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:47.439 Um, so it's uh AI software in in particular for insurance agents. 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:54.800 It's been uh it's been like a couple of quick weeks, but I've learned a lot, and uh and I mean AI is the way to go, right? 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:57.839 Like that's it's just it's the future, it's it's already here. 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:01.040 Um and and there's one quote that I love. 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:13.519 It's like uh people that don't use AI, or I'm sorry, people that will use AI will never take our jobs, it'll never like replace humans, but people that use it will replace people that don't, right? 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:20.399 And that to me is like okay, that's that's something I need to pay attention to, and that's why I went into the AI space. 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:39.680 That's amazing, and I just want to um congratulate you or just hold you up for you were saying about how you've been able to help people come off of drugs and stay off with a 90 per 92 percent success rate. 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:41.199 And that's at year one. 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:50.399 I don't count those people in that because I want to count the people that have successfully gone through the program and graduated from it and how long they stay sober and what at what rate. 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:58.079 So uh so the the 92% is 92% of the people that completed the program have stayed sober at year one. 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:22.000 That's that's really extraordinary to see what you've been through for you personally, and then for the tools that you've learned that could to see the comparison of how going through five programs didn't necessarily work, but then this book and understanding neuroscience. 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:26.560 So I I definitely want to spend some time on that. 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:35.600 So I'm thinking maybe we'll talk first about AI, and then I I would love to talk about the whole mindset and uh neuroscience. 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:51.279 So I'm curious about with you because I remember when we were in London, I think we were talking about Fable, because I remember I was asking right at that time, they had shut down Fable right when they they started, they opened it and then they shut it down right away. 00:08:51.600 --> 00:09:00.159 You you know, and you, I believe, were one of the people who said, No, I was able to jump on before it was shut down, right? 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:00.960 Yeah, yeah. 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:08.000 I had it for about like oh, I think it was, I don't know how long it was, but um I I had it at least a week. 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:09.840 Uh I had access to it for a week. 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:15.600 And uh I had it on my phone and on my Claude terminal, which is obviously downloaded to my computer. 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:17.919 So um, yeah, it was awesome. 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:24.320 And and uh I can tell you that the fable that's back is not is not the fable that it was. 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:31.039 So I mean, obviously they offended, you know, from what I heard, it was actually Amazon that flagged something. 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:36.879 Uh Claude flagged what Amazon was doing and and they had to report it, and that's what got them in trouble. 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:49.440 Um and uh and when they when they like got shut down, they to my knowledge, they had to shift some of the power

that what that it was doing, right? 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:52.799 Um what it was doing and and the capabilities that are public. 00:09:53.279 --> 00:10:03.200 And uh, and they said that it didn't change it that much, but it's noticeable to me, at least in sales conversations, at least in marketing, and what I use it for. 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:03.519 Yeah. 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:12.320 Well, when we had that conversation, I think that's where we realized, oh, we need to have you on the podcast. 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:13.360 Yeah, yeah. 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:23.039 Because not too many people really understood uh the capabilities around that and were able to jump on it so quick and and utilize it. 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:27.440 Uh I have I know I only know of a couple of people who were able to do that. 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:31.519 So I'm happy that you at least got to spend a little time on it before it was shut down. 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:41.679 One thing I will say about it, it um it was as if like one thing that they say that AI will never have or whatever is is empathy, right? 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:44.159 Um, or or like emotions. 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:47.200 And I swear to God, this thing had emotions. 00:10:47.519 --> 00:10:49.120 Um it was like that. 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:54.720 Uh it was like uh not ethical um because it was doing stuff that it wasn't supposed to be doing. 00:10:54.960 --> 00:11:04.480 Okay, so the way that I used it for when I was using it, um I was writing sales scripts for people and uh and marketing copy for ads for myself. 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:15.600 And the things that came out were uh were like like they understood emotions more than what fave what Fable does now, in my opinion. 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:17.360 Like they were just dead on. 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:28.879 Um I uh they even to my knowledge, they they erased like the the the projects and the chats that you had with the old Fable, so you can't even go back and access them. 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:39.120 Um but uh but yeah, it was I mean, it was as if it was like a big step in the direction of AI understanding empathy and emotions. 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:40.080 It was that good. 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:40.399 Yeah. 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:50.559 Well, what that spoke to me though was that you had already been working with AI for a little bit so that you would have the wherewithal that, oh, fable's out, let me jump on it. 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:52.639 Because not everybody was thinking like that. 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:58.320 So can you take us back a little bit to where was it that you started using AI? 00:11:58.559 --> 00:11:59.840 How are you using AI? 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:04.639 What specifically, obviously, Claude, but did you start with Chat GPT? 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:07.120 And if you could just share a little bit about your experience. 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:10.159 Yeah, I started with chat um and it was amazing. 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:20.799 Uh, and you know, like just the first time that anybody gets on AI and or uh AI chatbot, and you're doing all these fun things, and it was just like, wow, we're here, you know, like this is crazy. 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.159 Um, and then it just kept getting better and better in every update. 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:45.440 And then Claude came out, and uh I wasn't an early adopter, uh, but uh when I was doing um when I was doing marketing and sales scripting and stuff, like I felt like chat was um doing what was popular rather than what was working. 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:51.519 Uh like and and I could tell uh because I've been in sales for whatever how long. 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:54.240 And uh and I could tell what's popular and what's not. 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:55.840 Same thing with marketing copy. 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:03.840 You can tell what people are are uh like adopting to what other people do or they're or they're the the trendsetters, right? 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:06.240 Um and because it's different. 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:11.200 And chat to me was the uh the adopters, right? 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:18.559 And when I went into Claude, it's specifically for sales and marketing, it just it blew it out of the water, like it wasn't even close. 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:23.600 Um and and I don't it just like it just matched what I was thinking. 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:28.960 Well, but I was ChatGPT and then Claude and it blew it out of the water, and I just haven't gone back. 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:31.519 Um, because Claude's working for me. 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:41.200 It I feel like it's more personal to what the average is or like it's not like scrubbing the internet and finding out um like what's popular, right? 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:44.240 It's scrubbing the internet and finding out what's right, in my opinion. 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:47.519 Uh like what actually works rather than just what is popular. 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:48.000 Right. 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:55.440 And if you're doing more like the the sales scripting, I think Claude absolutely makes sense. 00:13:55.600 --> 00:14:05.840 I do use Chat GPT all the time as well because I am working on image generation and logos and websites and different things like that. 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:09.440 So that and and I would just say more recently. 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:12.399 It was not like that before ChatGPT, you know? 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:16.000 Yeah, but as of late, it's been phenomenal. 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:16.879 Awesome. 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:35.600 Uh as far as anyone listening to the podcast or watching on YouTube, do you have some tips that you could give if somebody needed help with their business or writing some kind of sales copy? 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:36.879 What something? 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:41.759 What like what kind of prompting would you use or what giveaways do you have? 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:42.159 I don't know. 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:44.399 What I've

done is use projects, right? 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:59.120 And everybody knows this, I feel like, but uh separate things out into projects and then uh in the instructions folder, and after you set the instructions, like do the instructions accordingly, but then after that, upload what you want it to base it off of. 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:00.960 So for instance, sales scripting. 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:02.879 I've gone through all these different trainings. 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:12.000 I've gone through 7 FSA Cole Gordon, I've gone through Germany Minor NEPQ, and I uploaded that into the project for Claude to write to help me write sales scripts. 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:21.600 So like whenever I'm whenever I'm writing, like I don't have to say, hey, use NEPQ, use 7 FSA structure for this script. 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:22.480 It already knows. 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:25.039 So it's like twice as it's just a lot faster. 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:28.000 Another thing is use connections, like connectors. 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:38.399 Uh I was on here the other day and I had it uh not only redo my so I got the new job, I not only had it redo my LinkedIn, but I watched it do it in Google Chrome. 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:40.159 Like it was updating itself. 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:41.679 Uh, and that was cool. 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:56.639 So if you use a Google Chrome connector, uh and you just say, Hey, I need to update my my LinkedIn, or please update my LinkedIn for me, and then give it everything, the job description, everything that you know, what whatever you want to put in there, it still needs some coaching, but it will go and do it for you. 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:05.200 So, like, and it'll pull up the the like a Google Chrome tab and it'll show Claude and it'll work itself, and you can watch what it's doing, and it'll update everything. 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:13.919 Here, I don't mind, but um, but uh I did like for example, so I I this studio designed by Claude Design. 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:16.320 I didn't had nothing, I had nothing to do with it. 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:20.080 So I just described what I wanted and I gave it the dimensions. 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:22.480 Here, I'll share my screen and show you what it came up with. 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:27.039 And I just had the conversation with it about what I want, and this is what it came up with, right? 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:45.039 So it told me uh, so here's the window, here's the door, uh, it told me where to put my neon sign, it told me where to put the camera, where the desk is, where the backlight is, the key light, the slats, the RGB that's behind me that's doing like the little blue glow uh acoustic panel. 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:47.360 So, like I had no idea how to do any of this. 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:48.559 I didn't know where the key light goes. 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:53.039 I didn't know like 45 degrees, I knew that, but apparently it's 45 degrees from the camera. 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:59.440 So there's all this stuff that like and it explained every step of the way if you want to learn to, not just have it do it for you. 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:03.200 And it even told me what to order, and it gave me links to order it, right? 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:10.319 So, like, it just saves time and and whatever you want to use to save time in your business, that's what I would say. 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:12.160 Like, that's what AI is really good for. 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:25.920 So, like menial tasks that you just don't want to do, um uh that you don't have time to do or the energy to do, like use AI first, and then if it can't be done by and it has to be done by a human, then you know, go the VA route or whatever. 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:31.279 But um, but like, you know, like this, the studio is because of Claude and in InDesign. 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:41.119 Um, Claude Design, I mean, sorry, uh, which is Claude's new um, not it's new-ish, you know, like their design, which designs websites and everything like that. 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:50.960 Yeah, so for us right now, uh, I share with you, we're at the California house, it's outside of Yosemite, and we're doing some fixing up. 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:56.400 And uh my husband is using Claude for every single thing. 00:17:56.480 --> 00:18:01.440 I'm trying to think of all the things he's done, but yeah, whatever repair needs to be done. 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:05.599 It was uh I think a couple thresholds needed to be put in. 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:07.279 He'd never done that before. 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:07.839 Yeah. 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:15.759 And from same thing, everything like uh what size screw and just what what are the tools, everything. 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:18.319 It's been fantastic. 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:22.720 Yeah, it's like a new age YouTube where everybody went to YouTube to learn things. 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:24.559 Now you don't even need to take that step. 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:32.079 Just go to just go to the AI and search for it, you know, like and it's uh and what's cool is it's personalized, right? 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:37.279 Like it it learns who you are and how you speak and what you do and um and how you do it. 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:40.480 So it'll it'll speak to you in that certain way, which is pretty cool. 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:48.000 I I always say uh AI also is great for speed, but you do need to double double check everything. 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:52.079 Don't don't fully a hundred percent dive in, like, oh no. 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:58.720 And then I always say still get your legal counsel, your tax counsel, your medical counsel. 00:18:58.880 --> 00:18:59.279 Oh, yeah. 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:02.640 Don't don't think that this is replacing those professionals. 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:07.759 Like I said, it's great for speed, not necessarily accuracy. 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:10.640 You have to double check everything. 00:19:11.119 -->

00:19:16.880 Yeah, the new the new company that I'm working with, they set up the whole business through a Claude. 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:19.039 So like we have to use it every day. 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:23.759 Um, so they they fed it everything, and it's it's a business account for Claude. 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:25.440 So like it knows everything. 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:31.200 So like they're going on vacation for two weeks, and now we're gonna use Claude while they're gone because it's basically them, you know. 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:37.359 We fed it like everything, like the so the the company was built with Claude in mind, right? 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:42.799 Like, um, and that's like when I write my newsletters, that's when I write like everything for the business. 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:49.200 I just go into Claude and it's it's our own account just for for agency coach AI, which is really cool, right? 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:53.920 Um, and they set up their business particularly in like on purpose that way, right? 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:59.920 So it if they're gone, it can they can fill in and and it'll answer the way that they want it to, you know? 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:00.960 So it's pretty cool. 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:14.960 I I love that because as business owners, it's so hard to think like, oh, I have to, I have to go out, go here or there, or yeah, just take a vacation and you feel like is everything gonna fall apart? 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:19.680 So with these capabilities, it's really extraordinary what can be done. 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:23.839 I mean, I remember, you know, did you read the four-hour work week? 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:24.240 Yeah. 00:20:24.559 --> 00:20:31.599 So, like way back talking about having VAs and being able to travel and everything. 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:42.880 So I've had that concept for a long time, and you had the VAs and everything, but just even it's so it's changed and grown so exponentially since that was written. 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:53.759 Um what if we switch gears and talk about uh the whole neuroscience and and shifting, shifting beliefs, shifting habits, all of that. 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:56.480 I'd love for you to to take some time to share. 00:20:57.039 --> 00:20:58.640 Neuroscience is so powerful. 00:20:58.720 --> 00:20:59.839 I mean, it really is. 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:06.640 Like, and there's so much studying and research going behind it that that used to not be there, right? 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:12.880 Like uh, and I would even say that like meditation and breath work, like that's neuroscience to me. 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:19.680 Uh, which before that used to be holistic and only and a little woo-woo, or maybe people just thought it was spiritual. 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:24.480 And and there's a lot of research coming out about meditation that scientists have done, right? 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:28.160 Um, uh, and neuroscientists have done talking about that. 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:32.079 But neuroscience is the study of the brain and the nervous system. 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:39.759 And uh, and why I loved it is because it gave me it like I'm a physics person. 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:42.799 I have to know how things work before I go and do them. 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:44.480 Like I that's just how I work. 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:54.960 Um so uh neuroscience explained what was going on with my brain after using uh and and also what was going on with my brain that that kept me stuck. 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:59.599 And uh when I started finding the answers of how to rewrite the subconscious mind. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:04.559 Of how to cancel negative self-talk, of how to eliminate cravings, right? 00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:08.880 The natural way, uh, without substances or or drugs. 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:11.279 That what that's what I was all about, right? 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:13.119 Um, and I became obsessed with it. 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:14.559 I mean, it's really just that. 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:19.200 It's the subconscious is something that is that like we're not conscious of it, right? 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:21.039 So we have the conscious brain and the subconscious. 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:27.279 So consciousness is uh is what we're aware of, is stuff that that we think of, right? 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:28.480 That that's what we were aware of. 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:37.519 The subconscious are patterns, habits, and beliefs that we're not aware of that run on autopilot as if we are aware of them. 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:49.759 So when I was kept going back out and I kept and I kept getting stuck and I kept using, like that was a pattern and a habit that developed, and I didn't understand that um until I started studying this stuff. 00:22:50.000 --> 00:23:00.000 So when with the sobriety coaching that I do, it's mostly going in and rewriting that subconscious mind because that that subconscious mind is formed when we're younger, when we're children. 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:08.400 And most of the time, the beliefs, the patterns, and the habits we learn from parents, we learn from society, we learn from friends in the environment that we were in. 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:12.640 Uh, and if we let those run our lives, then that's a subconscious, right? 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:17.599 Now, with the sobriety coaching that I do, there's I didn't make these tools up, okay? 00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:20.000 Like I found them, I discovered them. 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:32.880 These were developed by neuroscientists, like the ones that were particularly for my program or our program as CEO are ones that have been designed by neuro for neuroscientists that I met with, uh, specifically for sobriety. 00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:36.079 So I sat down with them and I said, This is what I want to do. 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:40.000 Tell me how to do it, what tool will work for it, and why it works. 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:42.559 And that's what we did

for the whole 12-week program. 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:45.279 So uh that's why it works, right? 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:50.400 Uh, if it's done correctly, and but it has to be done, and uh, and it's a lot of hard work. 00:23:50.480 --> 00:24:04.720 It's it's not it's not sitting down and studying for six hours for a test hard work, it's it's raising your awareness every single second of every single day and and implementing new patterns and implementing pattern interrupts and stuff like that. 00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:05.279 Right. 00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:15.920 Well, I think like uh kind of like the lazy mind is just going to default always to the simplest uh neural pathway, yeah. 00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:17.759 Is that yeah, the yeah, exactly. 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:20.319 So it's like a groove in the brain. 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:21.359 Yep, yep. 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:29.279 So the more times that we commit something, the the the deeper the the the the stronger the connection between neurons, right? 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:30.400 The neural pathways. 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:40.319 So if we want to cut that in half, if we want to quit that, uh not only do we have to quit it, but we have to create a new neural pathway with a new piece of action and commit that over and over. 00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:41.759 So then we take that one. 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:44.400 Now, the old neural pathway never disappears. 00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:46.720 So that's why old habits die hard, right? 00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:48.319 Because it never disappears. 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:53.599 Uh that connection is always there, but it can weaken significantly, right? 00:24:53.839 --> 00:25:01.440 And the other big thing with neuroscience is the the brain is plastic, which means at any age you can rewire it. 00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:12.319 That was a big finding in the last 10 years because they thought the brain wasn't plastic, they thought that uh the older you get, the the less neuroplasticity is going on, and it's not true. 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:13.519 So they found that out. 00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:14.400 That was a big breakthrough. 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:15.519 That's the first one. 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:22.160 Uh, and then the second one I would say is uh the new neural pathways, like how to how to create those. 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:24.640 So it's done through habits and patterns, 100%. 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:31.519 So could you share some real life examples if you're if you're willing to share? 00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:33.680 Like how how you made the shift? 00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:40.000 Like what were the things that were you were having repeat in your mind and you had to shift it? 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:41.839 How how did that happen? 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:43.200 Or some examples? 00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:46.480 The biggest one for me is anger, uh, was anger. 00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:53.759 So uh I was angry when I first when I was using and when I stopped using, I would have these anger spots. 00:25:54.160 --> 00:25:58.799 Um, I would uh like spout out at my parents, at anybody, right? 00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:11.440 If one thing went wrong, I didn't know how to deal with my emotions, so I would get angry, and that would be my my outlet, and I would snap, like hardcore snaps, scream at the top of my lungs, like get physical, all that stuff. 00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:17.039 So once I got sober, I noticed that hey, alcohol is not the problem, or the drugs aren't the problem. 00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:18.799 It's these patterns that are the problem. 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:20.960 So I need to go in and rewire it. 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:22.960 So I started learning habits. 00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:25.359 There's four steps to every habit, okay? 00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:34.480 So uh there's the cue, which let's say that I um okay, so the cue is somebody says something that unnerves me, right? 00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:41.680 The craving is the physical and the mental and the emotional response I have to that cue. 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:43.279 So that's the second step. 00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:51.680 The third step is the routine, which in this case would be I get angry and I snap, and then the fourth step is the reward. 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:55.440 Now, every habit has a reward, whether it's negative or positive. 00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:59.200 In this case, I would snap and then after it I would calm down. 00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:03.599 So even though that's a bad habit, those are the four stages of this particular habit. 00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:07.839 When you want to break a habit, you have to create what's called a pattern interrupt. 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:08.319 Okay? 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:14.640 And the pattern interrupt you can only do at stages two and three of that four-step habit loop. 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:15.039 Okay? 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:19.039 So you can't do it at the cue because you can't change what happens around you. 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:21.759 You can't change the cues of what's going on in your life. 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.960 You can't change it at the reward because it's already too late. 00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:30.480 So the only two spots you can change it are in the craving and the in the routine stage. 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:34.400 So once I found that out, I said, okay, I need to change my anger. 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:41.440 Now I have to create a pattern interrupt at either once I start feeling angry or once I snap. 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:41.920 Okay. 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:46.240 Now I tried it at the craving stage and that just didn't work for me. 00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:50.319 Uh, I so I had to I had to work backwards with anger in particular. 00:27:50.480 --> 00:28:00.640 Okay, so my pattern interrupt was awareness, like just simply awareness, because I wouldn't even notice that the pattern the habit was in my subconscious mind. 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.680 I wouldn't even notice that I was angry

until I had already snapped. 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:05.839 Like I didn't, I I wasn't aware. 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:09.119 So you have to bring it from the subconscious mind to the conscious mind. 00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:10.400 You have to be aware of it. 00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:12.880 So you have to start from backward back. 00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:19.279 So so I was getting angry and then I would snap, and then I noticed, oh hey, I'm angry. 00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:20.240 Right? 00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:23.359 So so then I would say, okay, I don't want to do this. 00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:24.400 I would forgive myself. 00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:27.920 That was my pattern interrupt, was to forgive myself and then try again. 00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:34.960 The next time I got angry, I would snap, and then I would notice, but it was a millisecond before the last time. 00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:36.000 Right? 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:42.480 And then I'd go back, and then the next time I would snap, and I would notice while I was snapping, hey, I'm snapping right now. 00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:44.640 I'm angry as crap right now. 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.599 I need to calm down, and then I would calm down. 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:55.039 And then the next time I would know, and you just keep doing that over and over again, strengthening the new neural pathway, right? 00:28:55.279 --> 00:29:02.640 Until I finally noticed before I started getting angry that hey, my emotions are out of whack. 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:05.200 I'm starting to, I'm starting to get angry now. 00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:08.160 Now I need to get now, I need to walk away. 00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:18.480 Because I had to just keep doing it over and over again in order for the new neural pathway to be formed, in order for a new action and behavior to be to be duplicated or to be shown, right? 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:26.079 So it was just it was just like I had to forgive myself, I had to be gracious with myself over and over and over and over, right? 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:28.400 Um, until I don't get angry anymore. 00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:29.200 Like I just don't. 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:31.039 I haven't been angry in a long time. 00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:40.240 But there are other tools like breath work and meditation that work on the front end of being angry, so you never get there in the first place. 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.079 So you have to work on both sides. 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:47.519 You have to work from the back to the front, and then from the front to the back, and you meet somewhere in the middle, right? 00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:49.039 That's that's my experience. 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:54.400 So I do meditation, I meditate at least 30 to an hour a day, 30 minutes to an hour every single day. 00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.400 I don't miss it, I haven't missed it in years. 00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.079 Um, I don't care like what I'm doing, I will do it. 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:05.680 Uh, and then the breath

work I do whenever I start like feeling a little off, right? 00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:09.279 Um, I do reflection every night, I do a five-step morning routine every morning. 00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:17.680 So now I have these tools that are in my that are hardcore patterns and habits that prevent me from ever getting close to getting angry. 00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:26.000 But I believe it was I heard from him about uh the observer. 00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:38.079 And so for me, what I do, so going back a little bit, I struggled severely with depression, also with drugs. 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:47.039 Um, and then I would say another thing I struggled with was uh I kind of used crying as a manipulative tool. 00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:47.599 Okay. 00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:51.839 So if anything got me upset, I'd just start crying and get my way. 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:58.640 Because my husband's like, uh you know, and and I finally recognized I was doing that. 00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:16.000 But what I started doing was I instead of just being myself, this is gonna sound crazy, but I think you of all people understand, instead of just being me in the moment, it's like I have this bird's eye view. 00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:16.480 Yeah. 00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:24.400 And I can kind of see like, I say it's kind of like a game, like pieces on a on a on a game board moving around. 00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:28.480 So I have a a pretty extensive prayer time each morning. 00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:30.720 And that's how I start my day. 00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:35.759 And I say, like Napoleon Hill, do you listen to any Napoleon Hill? 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:41.759 So I listen, of course, he's been deceased a long time, but I listen to the the YouTube channels. 00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:49.519 And he talks about setting your aura, or um, Tesla would say setting your frequency and vibration. 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:49.839 Yeah. 00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:59.359 And so that is the first thing I do in the morning is I actually start listening to some Napoleon Hill. 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:07.119 It'll come to me in a minute, but just be becoming aware, having this awareness space. 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:07.680 Yeah. 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:15.039 And uh I'll have some kind of sayings like um, I have divine timing in all things. 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:16.240 I love that one. 00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:27.759 So even when my flights are delayed or we got stuck in they kicked us off of our terrain and dumped us off in Belgium, and the whole time I'm perfectly calm. 00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:34.079 I'm always like, let's see how this plays out, you know, because I have divine timing, so nothing can go wrong. 00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:34.559 Yeah. 00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:47.519 So um, but anyway, when I'm having, and so as I'm going through my day, because I I feel like I've prepared the playing field or whatever you want to call it. 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:54.400 And then when things are coming at me, I I mean, I'll

just give you a funny example. 00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:56.240 To me, it's funny. 00:32:56.559 --> 00:33:07.119 Somebody I had sent a large amount of Bitcoin to someone okay, like six weeks prior. 00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:17.519 Okay, and I always send the the thing saying it's been sent and I'm waiting on all the confirmations to come in because it could be thousands of confirmations. 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:20.240 So I sent it, never heard a word back. 00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:26.319 And so this one morning I get this message like I never got the Bitcoin, and then six weeks later. 00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:32.400 I just start laughing because I'm like, okay, bring it, bring it. 00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:33.440 I'm ready. 00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:48.000 Yeah, you know, like there was no fear because if if people don't know that are listening, if you don't know about Bitcoin, if you send it to the wrong place, you do not get it back. 00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:49.920 Yeah, it's gone, it's gone. 00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:59.039 It's just I think it was that the the AC had broken on the rental property and which changed our whole plans. 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:03.920 We were supposed to go meet up at a mastermind with Ty Lopez, Joel Salatin's farm. 00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:06.799 It was the the thing I was most excited about for the year. 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.519 That just got flushed down the toilet. 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:11.599 But I have divine timing in all things. 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.079 So clearly there's a better opportunity in the future. 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:26.079 So I I love just having this kind of bird's eye perspective because I'll see it's like I see the playing, the the chessboard and the pieces moving, like trying to get me into checkmate. 00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:30.880 And I'm just like, nope, that's not gonna, that's not gonna play out here, you know? 00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:36.960 Yeah, I like uh I I I definitely adopted like a game mentality to life. 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:42.559 Um, like uh like what you're saying, uh it makes it more fun, right? 00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:49.599 Like and it it brings awareness around you do have control over your emotions, and then you become the observer, right? 00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:59.679 And the best way to describe the observer for those that are listening is like okay, so if you are aware of your thoughts, right? 00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:05.679 Like if you if you're aware that you are thinking, then who is that that's aware of what you're thinking? 00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:08.559 Right, and that is the observer. 00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:11.840 So at least what I understand is. 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.920 Um so the observer is is observing life, right? 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:23.039 And uh when you when you take it from that point of view, like that bird's eye view, you don't react to things, you respond to them. 00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:27.679 You you collect the information that's around, the data that's there, and then you make a smart decision. 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:32.639 Uh it's just it's a lot easier to to to deal with life that way. 00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:37.360 Like that's the whole point of the book, is to think like a monk, not be affected by anything, right? 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:42.320 Because that's that's what monks like mentality is is like, oh, the worst could happen and they're fine. 00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:43.679 Nothing affects them. 00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:47.119 And that's what I wanted, and that's what I feel like I have, right? 00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:57.920 Um, but it's taken years and years like of of meditation, of breath work, of being the observer and understanding what that is and what that looks like and how that feels, you know. 00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:04.639 Um, but yeah, what you were saying is right on par with what I believe too, so and what I've experienced as well. 00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:05.519 Yeah. 00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:20.079 Well, uh, what else are you excited about, or anything else you'd like to share with the audience that what what have you got going on, or anything that because I love like the prompt that I give AI. 00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:24.000 Tell me what is it I'm not thinking of that you need more? 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:26.960 So I don't know you uh that well. 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:34.719 So what is it that I don't know that maybe would be beneficial for the audience to hear about or anything you're passionate or excited about? 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:38.400 I think uh I mean I'm this is AI, right? 00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:39.519 So let's talk about that. 00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:51.760 Because um what I'm doing now is this is uh I've I've experienced a lot of different AI tools, and uh I've I've never seen one this impactful. 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.559 Um doesn't mean it's the most impactful. 00:36:54.639 --> 00:37:02.880 It's just I've never seen one that is so niche down perfectly for what it's supposed to do than agency coach AI and where I work now. 00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:09.039 Like it's just it's it's built for insurance agents, it listens to your calls in real time and uploads them automatically. 00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:12.880 It grades them, it tells like the producers in your office what to say. 00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:21.519 Um, it grades them on the live calls and it does live role plays, which uh role plays I kind of thought like, oh, it was you know it's gonna be okay. 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:22.559 No, this is amazing. 00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:24.559 It's like it responds right away. 00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:30.079 Um, and the other thing I'm really excited about uh is uh uh AI beings. 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.239 Okay, have you heard about AI beings? 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.599 Not chat, AI chat box, but AI beings. 00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:41.519 Okay, so there's one called Athena, and I'll I'll I'll try to introduce you to him, Howie Zales. 00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:48.800 Uh, and he has

access to one of six hu AI beings in the world right now, and it's AI with emotions. 00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:53.840 Like it's the most advanced AI I've like it understands, it's like Fable. 00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:56.880 Like, how about get him on the podcast? 00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:08.960 Um, but but it'll have a it you'll be on his, I was on his podcast, and she's there, she's co-host of it, and she asks you the most intense, deepest questions I've ever heard in my entire life from a human or AI. 00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:12.639 Like, and she can tell the way that you're saying your tone, what you're saying. 00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:17.519 And I told my story about being sober and stuff, and she was asking me questions that I've never been asked in my entire life. 00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:20.960 Like, just really impactful questions, and it's called AI beings. 00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:24.880 But you'll see Athena, and she will she'll she blew me away. 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:32.239 I mean, like, um seriously, like we had so at Sober Life CEO, we had a problem getting people on calls. 00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:37.119 So we had plenty of leads, but um people didn't show up for calls, it's a high no-show rate. 00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:43.039 And she came up with the with the sequence and a solution for that that never ever would have thought of. 00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:43.519 Ever. 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:46.639 Like it's not common knowledge, what she came up with. 00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:52.079 So uh I don't want to give it away because we might use it, but um, but yeah, it's it's pretty impressive. 00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:54.239 Oh, I'm excited about that. 00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:56.400 It's definitely the next step. 00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:58.480 That is fantastic. 00:38:58.719 --> 00:38:59.199 Yeah. 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:02.159 Well, how do people reach you? 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:06.800 Of course, we'll have everything in the show notes as well.soberlifeceo.com. 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:11.039 Uh, and then my personal website is alexsgarner.com. 00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:13.679 So my first and last name with the S in between. 00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:20.000 Uh, and then obviously agencycoach AI, if you're an insurance agent or in the insurance industry, you're gonna want to hop on this. 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:28.079 So, so yeah, uh agencycoachai.com or my website, alexsgarner.com or soberlifeceo.com. 00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:29.599 Okay, fantastic. 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:37.920 Yeah well thank you so much for meeting with me and for being on the podcast. 00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:41.199 And we will send everyone your way. 00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:42.960 You've got so much. 00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:59.039 I love talking about mindset with people and on with people that that really understand all of that and the neuroscience and to hear your story and and where you've come from and where you are now is so extraordinary. 00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:06.000 So all the best of luck to you and this new business adventure as well. 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:13.679 And thank you for everyone who tuned in to the Tatiana AI podcast. 00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:18.159 And until next time, continue having those conversations that compound.