How Do You Learn Mediumship? Trust, Layers and Finding the Right Teacher | The Mediumship Sessions #6의 전체 녹취록

00:06:02.184 Oh god nou presume it's just this happens, we start doing this, I learn how to do it, and off we go. 00:06:02.251 --> 00:06:07.531 And actually, the moment we sort of learn how to do it, is the moment the real lessons start kicking in. 00:06:07.568 --> 00:06:11.651 And, you know, the navigation of that can be really challenging. 00:06:11.954 --> 00:06:21.729 But, you know, once you sort of work through it and you get through the other side, the learning changes in a different way where they start finding other things they can teach you because it's, it, ne- you never stop learning. 00:06:22.071 --> 00:06:24.254 I know I will never stop learning about my mediumship. 00:06:24.254 --> 00:06:27.972 It's not a, it's not a job you get to a point and then, oh, we know what we're doing now. 00:06:28.006 --> 00:06:35.548 And if you do, and people would have heard this before, you know, then you've arri- you've arrived at the wrong place because, it's a never-ending journey. 00:06:35.551 --> 00:06:43.903 But, you know, in the grace of the lessons, as you say, once you come through the other side, the, the benefits, you know, far outweigh the, the, you know, the experience. 00:06:44.286 --> 00:06:51.389 And, of course, in mediumship, you know, the worst thing or the last thing we really want to do is constant, "No, no, Oh. 00:06:52.073 --> 00:06:53.209 Well, do you know what? 00:06:53.233 --> 00:06:55.848 It's every medium's, worst nightmare. 00:06:55.850 --> 00:07:02.637 You know, when we're, sort of thinking about going out on the platform for the first time, you know, we're not wanting, that experience. 00:07:02.637 --> 00:07:05.125 If anything, it's, it's the experience we don't want. 00:07:05.448 --> 00:07:09.780 But, you know, there's… And the, the journey of a medium isn't easy. 00:07:09.792 --> 00:07:15.520 It's a very hard journey, and it's, you know, one that you don't, take on lightly. 00:07:15.522 --> 00:07:19.124 One, because of the responsibility of it, but two, it, it's very difficult. 00:07:19.152 --> 00:07:34.161 But what really, I guess, I've thought about over the last week is how we can only communicate what it is that we know and what it is that we've experienced and what it is that we've seen and felt and heard and, the list just goes on. 00:07:34.487 --> 00:08:14.286 And even in, you know, the awfulness of me just feeling like I'm treading through treacle, and it was a very, you know, difficult experience, but… And I was almost, you know, when a couple of, my mentors said to me on Monday,"I'm sort of glad, feel like I'm glad it sort of happened for you," you know, instantly the ego jumps up and says,"What do you mean you're glad that this, awful experience happened to me?" But, you know, I'm glad it did now because when we go through our lives, and I've seen this, you know, time and time again in my work in empowering people in recruitment, it's those really difficult experiences that ultimately, make you grow the most. 00:08:14.286 --> 00:08:19.438 And if I look at, you know, even when I left the police, for instance, I was in the gutters then, I'll tell you that. 00:08:19.672 --> 00:08:24.026 but i- if I hadn't have done that, I would never have, started my own business. 00:08:24.031 --> 00:08:25.442 It just wouldn't have happened. 00:08:25.860 --> 00:08:37.498 So, you know, there is a lesson to be learned in everything, and I just wanted to absolutely, you know, kiss my granddad this last week how many, things he's brought through in reference to that, evening. 00:08:37.498 --> 00:08:42.596 And I have to say, I, you know, my granddad, bless him, he comes through, you know, all the time for me. 00:08:42.754 --> 00:08:46.278 but you know, there's so… And I just couldn't believe the synchronicity of this week. 00:08:46.437 --> 00:08:50.027 You know, of course every reading is going to have elements of that. 00:08:50.167 --> 00:08:53.754 and that was, that reassured me even, because it made me feel, well, do you know what? 00:08:53.965 --> 00:08:55.793 spirit really do have our backs. 00:08:56.115 --> 00:09:10.611 So the topic on, of discussion today, very timely these things, funny how it all ties in, is learning and developing mediumship, and the teaching of this very subject. 00:09:10.901 --> 00:09:21.061 Now, mediumship, you know, is a funny old subject because in any other subject, to some degree, you can learn from being taught. 00:09:21.091 --> 00:09:31.649 But in mediumship, You know, it, it, it's unique for a very distinct reason because of the fact that everyone experiences it differently. 00:09:31.855 --> 00:09:38.610 And if you're learning another, you know, skill, generally, you know, it, it's not that individual. 00:09:38.620 --> 00:09:41.648 What's your thoughts on that initial, observation of mine? 00:09:41.926 --> 00:09:42.331 Yeah. 00:09:42.433 --> 00:10:01.014 well, I suppose because every e- every person, you know, has their own thought process and way of perceiving things that, you know, the uniqueness of, you know, the individual, the uniqueness of the mediumship because, I mean, you said, you know, about the, the experiences of life. 00:10:01.056 --> 00:10:19.439 I mean, spirit will pull on things that are just in your subconscious as well, not things you've al- not always things you've experienced because the layers within the, the abilities of them and the intelligence to be able to influence, influence us to be able to get the message through i- is, as I've said, and I'll say it again, is, far greater than we can possibly comprehend. 00:10:19.783 --> 00:10:31.820 So, you know, the, for the medium as an individual, it, it definitely creates… there is definitely many layers and you know how one person works will never be how the other person uniquely works. 00:10:31.822 --> 00:10:39.516 Obviously, there's a basis of it being similar in the way that it, you know, we perceive it, you know, with the, all the clairs, you know, voyance, et

cetera. 00:10:39.779 --> 00:10:43.875 but how their messages are then brought through will always be different. 00:10:43.902 --> 00:10:46.795 and as you said to me once, you know, who says that my green is your green? 00:10:46.795 --> 00:10:47.971 Maybe my green is your blue. 00:10:48.341 --> 00:10:48.766 You know? 00:10:49.119 --> 00:11:05.367 And, you know, the uniqueness of that, so within that, that's, that's really where that complex, you know, complex energy in a way of, of beyond our comprehension can be, can be, can be used via spirit, you know, to, to, to give, to bring the message forward. 00:11:05.431 --> 00:11:08.402 And I mean, you know, and they say they never cease to amaze. 00:11:08.403 --> 00:11:20.714 Their, their levels of, of ability and what they'll use to be able to use your own abi- you know, your own u- unique perception of stuff to bring stuff through, will, will probably always be different. 00:11:20.956 --> 00:11:24.028 You know, it can appear that the medium's all doing it in the same way. 00:11:24.046 --> 00:11:26.201 It definitely does appear that, you know, mediums will say. 00:11:26.548 --> 00:11:44.086 But, you know, there's… you can, in your teaching, you can des- definitely notice the subtle differences in the way people work, and there's a feeling within the way they may be perceiving stuff, but it's not a feeling that I understand because I just feel that w- it's not a human thing of, of perception. 00:11:44.090 --> 00:11:48.725 I can perceive it, but I don't understand it because it's not something we ca- carry. 00:11:48.755 --> 00:11:56.086 And I know that's, that sounds really far-fetched, but it is a, energetic perception in the way you see different individuals work. 00:11:56.951 --> 00:11:58.163 Yeah, well, yeah, indeed. 00:11:58.225 --> 00:12:00.575 No, it doesn't she doesn't know what she's talking about. 00:12:00.576 --> 00:12:02.863 But I do because I can feel that, you know? 00:12:02.908 --> 00:12:04.754 But that, that again is about the layers. 00:12:04.766 --> 00:12:06.968 It kind of goes with what I've just said, you know? 00:12:07.393 --> 00:12:15.010 Well, e- even in the, example you, you've sort of given about me sort of saying a bit, tongue in cheek there, which, which is a very good point, you know. 00:12:15.182 --> 00:12:27.879 The way that I, see a green, i- you never know if that is what another person sees, and you will never, ever know if that's indeed correct or not because you only know the way you, perceive it and whatever. 00:12:28.081 --> 00:12:31.687 You know, I- it wouldn't surprise me at all if your, your blue was my pink. 00:12:31.689 --> 00:12:32.234 It wouldn't. 00:12:32.454 --> 00:12:50.312 but you know, the, the, the point being, though, that we, the way we experience the world, the only person who really understands that is ourselves, and, and that's why in mediumship in particular, everyone experiences it differently. 00:12:50.331 --> 00:12:54.192 And I've made this point

before, but I'm gonna make it again because it's important. 00:12:54.536 --> 00:13:06.985 The spirit world use, because a lot of people will just assume when a medium is doing a reading, what I'm getting is the spirit person talking into my ear, you know, like I've got an earpiece in my ear in some television studio. 00:13:07.157 --> 00:13:11.887 And I used to think it was like that, and I did because of the fluidity of it. 00:13:12.061 --> 00:13:16.134 But what you don't realize is what's going on in the medium's mind during a contact. 00:13:16.316 --> 00:13:31.654 So the spirit world, will be working with that medium to, give them impressions, give them sensations, give them feelings, give them memories, and it's, and it's, it really is so individual because no one will ever experience things in the same way. 00:13:31.663 --> 00:13:44.048 So for that reason, when you start learning mediumship, you've got to, one, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, because it's about understanding the way that the spirit world work with you. 00:13:44.081 --> 00:14:00.502 Now, now even how they work with you will develop, evolve, and change because how they start working with you, and this is where people can get their confidence knocked because they will get into some sort of groove, a way of working, and I've experienced this myself. 00:14:00.648 --> 00:14:08.185 you know, I used to always start off clairvoyantly with a face, and it would be really vivid, and I'd always see it. 00:14:08.407 --> 00:14:10.774 And, you know, that became a way of working. 00:14:10.973 --> 00:14:26.617 Then what happens is the spirit world decides, okay, you're ready now for some, let's call it a firmware upgrade, whatever you wanna call it, a download, a software, the latest patch, and then all of a sudden, the medium gets their confidence knocked because they're like, "Well, what's happening to me? 00:14:26.627 --> 00:14:30.166 Why am I… Why is this," you know, h- you know, "happening? 00:14:30.177 --> 00:14:52.738 Why am I not sensing it in the same way?" Now the first thing you have to do is you have to look at that firstly as a kind of blessing, and we have to look at these bad experiences with a level of gratitude even though I, you know, like I said, I wanted that trap door to open me up, but there was so many lessons and learnings and developments, and that is, you know, the way that you learn mediumship. 00:14:52.769 --> 00:15:11.682 Now, I've even noticed- in, the teaching and the work that I do with the Tuesday Free Circle, that everybody has a totally unique way of working, interpreting, sensing, and it's so individual. 00:15:11.860 --> 00:15:31.816 But for that reason, this is why you can't teach someone to do mediumship, and this is also why you need to, make sure you, you work with a teacher, or a tutor that actually resonates with you and can sense, and sort of… There's something, isn't there, about a teacher and that connection of energy between you and the teacher? 00:15:31.836 --> 00:15:36.798 Because I've sat with teachers where, you know, I'm sat there and me mind's trailing off. 00:15:36.937 --> 00:15:46.637 I'm getting bogged down by technique, and, you know, they were teaching firstly from, from the head, technically, but it didn't land with me Yeah. 00:15:47.056 --> 00:15:48.220 yeah, it does matter. 00:15:48.220 --> 00:15:54.134 And, you know, some people are very logical, and it will make sense for them to be with a teacher that teaches from logic, you know. 00:15:54.221 --> 00:16:03.219 And, you know, I'm not saying that they're not spiritually influenced, but they, you know, they're very heavily involved m- mentally with the teaching and the strategy and the way that moves forward for them. 00:16:03.442 --> 00:16:08.269 and others will need somebody that is very heart-led, so it's all in the feeling and the sensing of it. 00:16:08.465 --> 00:16:12.403 And in that, there's even still m- layers, in and amongst, in between, you know. 00:16:12.510 --> 00:16:20.812 I mean, for, for, for me with the teaching, it definitely works in the heart-led as your- as it does yourself, but you st- you're, you're very logical as well. 00:16:20.822 --> 00:16:22.499 So there is a balance there with you. 00:16:22.706 --> 00:16:31.028 But although your heart leads the way, there's still this real intelligence that, that's… It plays an energetic s- background with you. 00:16:31.132 --> 00:16:33.197 And it, and it does, because I can feel it with you. 00:16:33.197 --> 00:16:40.033 It's a, it's almost like a background subconscious ticking that you can feel, and it influences your heart, which is amazing. 00:16:40.036 --> 00:16:50.209 I'm not saying I'm not intelligent, Explain that to the listener, though, because I've said in the past on this podcast that people tend to fall into one of two, camps here as mediums. 00:16:50.398 --> 00:16:53.719 and, you know, labels aren't necessarily helpful, but they're either heart led or technical. 00:16:53.739 --> 00:17:01.764 How d- how do you explain to the listener, the way that I work in terms of being both, and what do you feel that brings to the mediumship? 00:17:02.264 --> 00:17:05.520 With you, it just brings, it, it just almost, like, ties in that level. 00:17:05.557 --> 00:17:09.903 It's like an org- it is like an organization, a orga- organizational skill. 00:17:10.007 --> 00:17:10.807 can't get my words out. 00:17:11.172 --> 00:17:12.984 It's like an organizational skill with you. 00:17:13.262 --> 00:17:30.973 And I, I, I do, I do feel with you that it's almost like a point you j- you just move away from that because it's almost like that learning strategy that you're still moving through that's allowing you to be able to, move from the logic, move from that intelligent mind that, you know, that's been very business orientated, to be able to get into… You paused. 00:17:31.272 --> 00:17:32.326 Oh, no, I thought you paused then. 00:17:32.329 -->

00:17:32.897 Sorry, Jason. 00:17:33.128 --> 00:17:42.024 but to be able to get into this space of, moving within the power that you are, and that naturally sits in your heart because you're a very heart-led, very sensitive, empathic person. 00:17:42.307 --> 00:17:43.919 So that is sort of like the essence of you. 00:17:43.921 --> 00:18:02.821 So it's like this, this, this subconscious is still, like, like, you know, finding the, the, the balance in that, and I just feel that that at, at one point… And it's not that you even work from the logic because you don't, but I can still feel it within your energy where that's still simmering down and you're just learning to be in the true essence of everything that you are within your, within the heart of your work. 00:18:03.007 --> 00:18:10.134 And some other pe- other people may disagree with me of that, but they, again, it's about how I feel it energetically and perceive it, you know? 00:18:10.241 --> 00:18:13.824 I know, to be honest, I would not be working with you if you wasn't a heart-led medium. 00:18:14.230 --> 00:18:18.767 Well me and somebody that works too much from the logic, I could not possibly do. 00:18:18.842 --> 00:18:34.048 I just couldn't because I'm too heart, heart-led, and it, and it, and it… And to me, that matters, and I've always gone with teachers that I feel drawn to that are more heart-led than logical, and that can be seen on the list of teachers that I've gone to at the college, you know, in itself. 00:18:34.050 --> 00:18:43.480 I mean, to, you know, it becomes very apparent the more, the further down the field of, and road of mediumship that you get and the more you learn and the more you go to others for, for teaching and advice. 00:18:43.666 --> 00:18:53.341 It becomes a lot clearer on who works in a way that sits better with you energetically than it does that doesn't, and there is quite a difference, you know? 00:18:53.626 --> 00:19:06.490 There is quite a difference There is, and I understand what you're saying, 'cause the, you know, if I try and explain, to, to the lovely listener what actually goes on in my head, you know, don't worry, I'm not gonna, start divulging, things that are outside of the watershed. 00:19:06.544 --> 00:19:07.176 fear not. 00:19:07.398 --> 00:19:09.149 my mind is a weird and wonderful place. 00:19:09.199 --> 00:19:12.964 But I am very, I, I would… See, this is the thing. 00:19:12.972 --> 00:19:18.740 You can be very self-deprecating because I would say I'm a technically-minded person, but I would say I'm not an academic person. 00:19:18.740 --> 00:19:28.183 But what I am is very logical, and if, you know, even in my recruitment career, I'm very much about taking the most efficient way to get things done. 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:31.490 And, you know, one thing I can't stand is inefficiency. 00:19:31.689 --> 00:19:35.715 And, you know, when I see things that are inefficient, I just want to sort, sort them out. 00:19:35.715 --> 00:19:50.745 Now,

when I go back through the journey of my own mediumship, yes, I am very led from the heart because I always, it's always about emotion to me, and a reading always starts for me with an emotion, and it's that emotion that starts fueling everything. 00:19:50.894 --> 00:19:55.733 And it's that emotion actually that starts building on this animation that I've got. 00:19:55.988 --> 00:20:10.869 You know, one of the big things I've learned recently, I have to say, is, about…'Cause I've got this ability when the power starts flowing to read very quickly, and what I've realized in that, that's kind of a blessing i- in, in, in a sense because I've got a very quick mind. 00:20:11.116 --> 00:20:24.260 However, what I've now started doing a lot more is just allowing myself to just build up that power, and what's actually happening in that moment I'm feeling sort of internally is it's a build-up of emotion that I'm getting. 00:20:24.472 --> 00:20:37.533 And almost the emotion gets to a point where I would describe it as kind of like a simmering point of a pressure cooker, where it's like,"Okay, now go," and it's almost like,"Oh, God, there, now I'm off again." so it's even when I'm trying to slow, the power's building, so then I'm off. 00:20:37.807 --> 00:21:06.770 But the thing that I've le- learned over the years is, when I look back now, one of the big barriers I felt I had for such a long time, and we go through these periods in our development where we can just feel like, "Oh, God, I just can't seem to get over this point." But one of mine was I'd get a piece of information, and I could not allow it because of how logical I am in the sense of the way that I work and perceive the world, and I'm always looking at things logically, but I never make decisions. 00:21:06.771 --> 00:21:08.128 I always go with what I feel. 00:21:08.281 --> 00:21:19.131 But for that reason, and especially with having a quick mind, a ADHD mind, I'd get the evidence within a nanosecond, up to the brain, and then I would be in and out of the power. 00:21:19.149 --> 00:21:35.978 Now, on the subject of moving in and out of the power, being a teacher, how do you sort of recognize where…'Cause you've got this ability and, you know, if we talk about the, lovely, beautiful, the Power U psychic class we did yesterday, prime example of this. 00:21:36.232 --> 00:21:43.451 And, you know, there were, there were moments in that where you said to our lovely, students, you know, you sort of moved in and moved out of that power. 00:21:43.454 --> 00:21:46.619 Now, I can see that now myself when someone's in and out of it. 00:21:46.619 --> 00:21:52.403 But how would you describe that to the listener, that, that sort of, moving in and out of, of the mind? 00:21:53.285 --> 00:21:58.475 It's just e- for the perception of it is just an energetic shift, and obviously I work closely with a guide. 00:21:58.476 --> 00:22:09.647 So even if like thing, and they'll be like, you can just feel the slightest movement because the guides are there as well sort of prompting the way, if you like, alongside my own natural intuition, which has obviously been built on for a lifetime. 00:22:09.971 --> 00:22:12.978 but it's just, it's just a, it's a, you could call it a rising. 00:22:12.980 --> 00:22:17.504 I c- I don't even know that I see it as a rising, but I, I'm feeling to verbalize it as a rising. 00:22:17.766 --> 00:22:21.836 almost like a rising in the energy because it is almost like a movement from here to here. 00:22:22.010 --> 00:22:31.748 and although I don't see that, I just perceive it, there's… That, that's really what it is, and you can, you can just read the difficulty, and then you can understand the emotion that's going on behind it. 00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:33.359 But that's getting into the complexities. 00:22:33.385 --> 00:22:40.906 Like we're way, we're way into, you know, the, the understanding of teaching them when you start really being able to see, you know, what they're feeling, what they're seeing. 00:22:41.163 --> 00:22:55.135 Because, you know, as a, as a teacher, you know, you, you need to learn the art, the ability, and I feel emotional as I say it'cause obviously it's passionate to me, but you need to learn to do b- the art of being able to see what they're seeing, you know, and, and be, be, you know, be with them in that moment, you know? 00:22:55.216 --> 00:22:58.927 And, and be able to perceive their feelings in relation to that. 00:22:59.213 --> 00:23:07.163 You know, I think we had one, and I could just feel, I felt this strong feeling with relation to that boat she saw, and I could just feel there was nothing else with that. 00:23:07.466 --> 00:23:08.322 God bless her, you know? 00:23:08.322 --> 00:23:11.474 And I could feel her, how she felt around that, you know. 00:23:11.475 --> 00:23:13.773 She wanted more, but there wasn't more. 00:23:13.969 --> 00:23:36.030 And, and, and it's, it's that level and layers of building in that ability to be able to feel that, perceive that, be prompted in that as to what maybe needs to be said to, you know, you know, c- I, I don't wanna use the word comfort, but you know, like instill encourage and, and, and know that that was perfectly great, you know, i- in itself and, and it's about the layers. 00:23:36.062 --> 00:23:37.843 It's always them layers apparently. 00:23:37.844 --> 00:23:48.468 I know not… Don't want to sound like I don't know how t- how to say anything else other than, but it's about the layers of perception and how that's built, and then just understanding and knowing what you know, and that just comes with time. 00:23:48.471 --> 00:24:13.530 There's nothing but time and commitment, that, that can give you more in the world of working with spirit than giving them time and commitment Well, yeah, I, I agree, and I feel that, you know, when someone's developing their mediumship, and I, you know, I'm not gonna name names here, but I've come across teachers that, you know,

take a very different approach, which is one of, you know, critique, and one of, you know, "Do you wanna be this? 00:24:13.532 --> 00:24:14.360 Do you wanna be that? 00:24:14.362 --> 00:24:28.879 Do you…" And, and the problem with that is, you know, when people are developing their mediumship, you know, one thing, like for instance, the example you gave there, someone getting something and only feeling compared to the rest of, their peers, that everyone else got more. 00:24:28.894 --> 00:25:07.266 Now, that person is probably going to go away now, as we do as humans, you know, and beat ourselves up, and that, and that could really stay with someone, and this is why, you know, y- you gotta be so careful in th- in this world because, you know, I seem to, even in the, the Tuesday, lovely circle, a lot of people come there where their confidence has been re-knocked, and the next thing you know, they've left it for 10 years, and they've, you know… And that's, and that's bad because what is actually happening in that period as well, is it isn't just they're not developing their mediumship, but what they're probably doing is suppressing their sensitivity, not knowing how to sort of, navigate, their life. 00:25:07.293 --> 00:25:20.494 Because if you've got, a sensitivity and you're suppressing it and not sort of embracing it and knowing how to work with it, you, what you've got essentially is a superpower, but, you know, you might, you might not be even activating it or using it. 00:25:20.494 --> 00:25:40.586 And firstly, one, that's, that's sad, but suppressing that part of you, and not being around, like-minded people who are understanding, who are on the same journey, there's nothing like if you're… You know if you're meant to be on this path, because it, it should feel to you like some kind of homecoming when you start, meeting other people who are mediums, who are, sensitives. 00:25:40.738 --> 00:25:50.957 Because there's a certain, understanding, and there's a certain ability to just feel you can be yourself, Now, when you talk about layers, to bring you back to the word of the day, yes. 00:25:51.159 --> 00:25:56.801 so, you know, what, what do, what do you mean by, by layers here? 00:25:56.887 --> 00:25:58.554 It's like an energetic building, you know? 00:25:58.615 --> 00:26:00.250 It's a building of the picture, isn't it? 00:26:00.269 --> 00:26:07.890 That, that they give you, you know, and what, the way that it's used to be able to determine what the information that's being given to move forward, you know. 00:26:07.903 --> 00:26:13.657 Because as I move into, I'll see the person, I'll know, generally know the relationship for the most part. 00:26:13.966 --> 00:26:18.529 and you know, then there'll be th- these feelings and it, it just sort of layers itself up. 00:26:18.571 --> 00:26:21.341 But even within the teaching it's the same thing. 00:26:21.341 --> 00:26:37.969 There's layers there of, like… Because obviously with the teaching, you know,

I mean, you know, I could tell there was thing with people there yesterday and I was, that's why I said no mediumship because I could feel the possibility of somebody wanting to bring that in because I could feel the individual making themselves known to me. 00:26:37.973 --> 00:26:40.092 Because that's, being a teacher, you kind of gotta have that. 00:26:40.098 --> 00:26:42.637 That's why I love it as well, 'cause it's kind of nosy work, you know? 00:26:42.677 --> 00:26:43.571 You know what's going on. 00:26:43.994 --> 00:26:47.007 and, it's p- probably the, what… No, I'm probably am nosy, actually. 00:26:47.255 --> 00:26:49.168 I, the intrigue of, of, of the question. 00:26:49.168 --> 00:26:56.234 But, you know, it's, it's about the layers of my own intuition and working with spirit and them showing, and then the building of it. 00:26:56.243 --> 00:27:01.272 It's, it's, w- with any, all of what we do, it's all an energetic build of, of, of layers. 00:27:01.284 --> 00:27:12.794 I'm sure there's many, many, misunderstood conceptions that these pictures just kind of form in our mind, but there's energetic layers there that then allow spirit to imprint us with that, you know? 00:27:13.069 --> 00:27:24.353 even in the… And I feel even as I'm saying that, the, within the clairaudience, it's an even more complex layer of, of energe- energy that they have to put into place to be able to get them words into my ear, you know? 00:27:24.409 --> 00:27:26.697 Because it's, it's always submissive as well, you know. 00:27:26.766 --> 00:27:33.519 Like, very rare do I have spirits shouting in the middle of my head because when I do hear it, it's clear like as it's like a shout in the middle of my head. 00:27:33.879 --> 00:27:35.332 you know, well, it sounds like shouting. 00:27:35.430 --> 00:27:39.421 It d-- it, when they're being firm with me, "Well, we want to talk," or, But do you know why? 00:27:39.423 --> 00:27:53.310 There's something about that with you where they probably, when they need to do that, it's because you probably need to be shouted at because, i- you … Well, to not sound horrible about it, but you probably need to be because you're, you're then gonna give it a different level of attention. 00:27:53.520 --> 00:27:54.010 you know? 00:27:54.083 --> 00:27:55.644 And I must admit,. 00:27:55.742 --> 00:27:57.958 well, you know- want to talk. 00:27:57.961 --> 00:27:58.275 Yeah. 00:27:58.384 --> 00:28:01.064 Listen, you know, Do you know what, though? 00:28:01.078 --> 00:28:05.798 you're absolutely correct in what you're saying about layers, because it is like that in mediumship. 00:28:05.809 --> 00:28:12.628 Because when I'm doing a reading, you're, what you're actually doing is you're building up the layers, because it starts with emotion. 00:28:12.638 --> 00:28:17.786 The emotion builds into evidence, then that builds into, you know, whatever it might be. 00:28:17.826 --> 00:28:20.332 But it is, you're stacking it up on top of each other. 00:28:20.332 --> 00:28:37.007 Now, the problem is with, with layering, is if you are moving into, the left-hand side of your brain and you're going, logically, what you keep doing every time that you do that, and this is where the trust really comes into it, is you're almost kind of breaking that energetic connection. 00:28:37.304 --> 00:28:39.911 And then the, the layering doesn't have the same power. 00:28:39.924 --> 00:28:47.466 Because when I look at layering, what I'm really feeling is that you are building on the power with each layer, and you can feel that. 00:28:47.466 --> 00:28:54.192 Because it starts with one thing, another thing comes in, and then another thing comes in, and you can almost feel that expansion. 00:28:54.377 --> 00:28:57.205 So, like, even if I do, you know, this morning I've done a reading. 00:28:57.408 --> 00:29:06.418 So it very much started off that the first thing that I got was this, man with a sense of pride, but not with an ego, but with a sense of humor. 00:29:06.605 --> 00:29:11.522 And what he was showing me was, doing some, work with wood. 00:29:11.750 --> 00:29:15.319 And he was showing me himself to be a fabulous carpenter, you know. 00:29:15.513 --> 00:29:22.163 one of these, sorts of individuals where if something was broken around the house, no need to call anyone in, I will fix it, was what he was like. 00:29:22.468 --> 00:29:33.534 But then, I brought through a few more bits of information, so the layers are building, and then I put it out to, you know, the people,'cause it was a kind of platform style demonstration, and a lady put her hand up. 00:29:33.534 --> 00:29:37.424 Now, I, due to the lessons I learned last week, funny that, isn't it? 00:29:37.424 --> 00:29:46.746 The spirit world, gotta love you, I knew that there… What I was seeing in that moment was I was seeing that the lady who put her hand up, looked quite dull to me. 00:29:46.919 --> 00:29:47.651 looked quite dull. 00:29:47.682 --> 00:29:56.834 And there was a vibrancy I saw to another lady, and I could feel her, you know, her power building, and it was almost like she was becoming more vivid. 00:29:57.077 --> 00:30:14.513 So had I, gone with the woman who'd put her hand up, and she was the only lady that put her hand up, the other lady hadn't put her hand up, what would have happened in that moment by not going with what I felt was I would have, then the energy would have dropped most likely, and it would have started to go… You know, you're almost the energy is going down. 00:30:14.513 --> 00:30:18.578 I've got it to a point where it's building enough for someone to put their hand up, but then it would have gone down. 00:30:18.813 --> 00:30:26.544 But by going with the vibrancy, which I must say did shock a lot of people, because it's almost like, you know, you're sort of, saying to that person, you know, just listen on. 00:30:26.793 --> 00:30:30.863 But then, the first lady said, "Well, I'll tell you this about the carpentry.

00:30:31.006 --> 00:30:38.207 He, wasn't the best at it, if I'm being honest." Now, what would happen to most mediums in that situation is that's a no. 00:30:38.346 --> 00:30:41.413 Oh, goodness me, because he's making such a thing of the carpentry. 00:30:41.416 --> 00:30:42.515 How have I got that wrong? 00:30:42.712 --> 00:30:51.865 Now, the first thing he came back with was a sense of humor, saying, "Well, yes, you know, the carpentry wasn't great." But he's having fun with it. 00:30:51.876 --> 00:30:57.444 He's laughing at, you know, the beautiful nature of it being imperfectly perfect. 00:30:57.637 --> 00:30:59.050 Then the layers are going again. 00:30:59.072 --> 00:31:00.721 We're building, we're building, we're building. 00:31:00.914 --> 00:31:01.915 And up the energy. 00:31:02.043 --> 00:31:13.341 And then what I noticed was, because I started slow, by the time I got to the end of the reading, once my, once the person that was conducting the session, you know, I was like, and, and she wanted to come in with a bit of feedback. 00:31:13.344 --> 00:31:15.949 I was like, "I might have no feedback right now." Dump, dump, dump, dump, dump. 00:31:16.196 --> 00:31:17.752 Because I'm, then it was delivered. 00:31:18.122 --> 00:31:25.948 Now, I think that explains the layering well, because that is, it's really about understanding the, what you're really doing there. 00:31:26.121 --> 00:31:27.996 And what you're doing is you're building that energy. 00:31:28.014 --> 00:31:42.476 Now, what you, you know, what you have to realize in mediumship, and this is what a teacher needs to instill in people, because what I've learned through the teaching work that I've been doing is such a massive part of everything the teacher is doing. 00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:55.111 And really it's, I would say it's the number one, and this'll be interesting to get your thoughts on this, I would say this is the number one thing that is the core focus above everything else is trust Yeah, absolutely. 00:31:55.112 --> 00:31:59.622 I mean, i- they, i- it's always, it's, it's never often about trusting in spirit. 00:32:00.115 --> 00:32:04.525 'Cause normally by the time somebody's working with spirit, they, you know, it's, they trust them. 00:32:04.526 --> 00:32:12.755 They n- they, you know, they've had the experience of knowing they know Well, funnily enough, I, if you would've asked me over years ago, I'd have s- said once it got to a certain point, I trust the spirit world implicitly. 00:32:12.756 --> 00:32:17.607 It's my ability to interpret it I don't trust Yeah, and that, that, and that tends to be the problem. 00:32:17.613 --> 00:32:27.137 And we can even believe that we trust ourselves with it, but there'll be… That again, it's the, the layers of the human and the emotions and, you know, like, ooh, w- were we trusting ourselves with that information? 00:32:27.145 --> 00:32:29.841 Because intellect does wanna come in, you know. 00:32:29.859 --> 00:32:36.536 Like you say you knew you was getting things and, you know, you're like, "Oh, what's that?" And I could feel that was yesterday with somebody that was saying, and it was like questioning. 00:32:36.546 --> 00:32:38.938 You know, like, j- just allow it to move, you know. 00:32:38.942 --> 00:32:43.290 Because the information's not for you, so it isn't for your human intellect to, to intervene, you know. 00:32:43.436 --> 00:32:48.948 And by be- i- it's that real sense of being of service because y- you're not working for yourself, you know. 00:32:48.948 --> 00:32:51.308 And we're never, it's never about us, you know. 00:32:51.355 --> 00:32:55.060 We're just the, the bit, the bit in the middle passing the message on. 00:32:55.269 --> 00:33:04.958 And in that, the, you know, that, that, them layers, the layers of the, the movement within that work and, and un- unfold more as you develop, you know. 00:33:04.992 --> 00:33:07.438 Because the complexity is, it's like a kind of field layers. 00:33:07.716 --> 00:33:12.408 So how you say it in regards to the information, I don't even really perceive it that way myself, you know. 00:33:12.408 --> 00:33:29.495 It's more about the layers of energy and the complexities of what I can't understand because I'm not privy really, as a, as, in, in the where I am in my ability even to understand the complexities of what all of them layers are because it's, there's always more, you know. 00:33:29.714 --> 00:33:36.509 And I, so I've, that for me is almost like there's an unfolding of this new thing going on within the layers. 00:33:36.517 --> 00:33:40.904 But y- you know, I, I now understand that actually it's all been the layers to start with, you know. 00:33:41.157 --> 00:33:43.195 Because we, we can't possibly comprehend. 00:33:44.086 --> 00:33:55.150 By, by allowing yourself to just sort of like be in the moment and let the, the, you know, the, the, the unfoldment happen and, you know, as you say, sort of like moving with that energy, you know. 00:33:55.304 --> 00:34:01.971 And it, it does change, 'cause I'm very quick and a quick thinker, but there's times where that will move even still for me. 00:34:02.232 --> 00:34:07.158 Sometimes it will move really slowly and they'll keep it slow, and I do believe it's because it's what's working best. 00:34:07.158 --> 00:34:13.769 Even my soul knows without me consciously knowing that that's what works best for that individual that's coming through, it works best for the recipient. 00:34:14.085 --> 00:34:28.659 and there's other times it moves a lot quicker because, you know, this person might have been a bit quicker, and I can enable that because my, my, my, my ability will allow that to move through me, and that person may need to hear a lot more than you can get in that timeframe than if they spoke slower. 00:34:28.918 --> 00:34:40.755 I don't… You know, I, I totally… People always say slow down, slow down, slow down, and I agree in the beginning stages you maybe do need to slow down,

but, you know, it's that whole thing of trust spirit, because they know what they're doing, you know. 00:34:40.766 --> 00:34:48.639 'Cause I can move slow or quick, and it just depends who and what and, and, and everything, and all them layers in between, you know. 00:34:48.811 --> 00:34:52.023 Because we can't… We've never got all of the answers, and I never will. 00:34:52.023 --> 00:35:02.804 I mean, I'm gonna be the nosiest person when I go home, I'll tell you now, because Oh, me too I've told them, "Put it on the list, put it on the list, put it on the list." I forgot what the list is, but Do you know what? 00:35:02.824 --> 00:35:11.393 So much of mediumship and why you know, I've, I know now, without a shadow of a doubt, you know, that this, this is my l- life's calling. 00:35:11.652 --> 00:35:20.391 But I understand that what kept drawing me into it so much in the early days was I needed to know what had happened to my loved ones. 00:35:20.393 --> 00:35:27.692 I needed to want to know what goes on in the other world, and it was almost like I just, you know, no, no amount of information was enough. 00:35:27.971 --> 00:35:36.619 And because I, I, I have never, ever been of the sort of makeup that I believe in what I'm told. 00:35:36.661 --> 00:35:38.826 I make up my own mind. 00:35:39.007 --> 00:35:47.119 And so much so, look, I've got my own grandad who was a medium, yet that still wasn't enough for me because I hadn't, sensed it myself. 00:35:47.346 --> 00:35:52.353 So I came into this very discerning, and you've got to be like that as a student. 00:35:52.371 --> 00:36:08.173 You know, you, y- you know, if you're with, someone now or you're on the journey of mediumship, and you know, you've been working with someone, you've also got to accept as well, sometimes a mentor or whatever is there for a season, you know, or just a chapter or sometimes just a couple of pages. 00:36:08.382 --> 00:36:12.453 You know, you're not meant to be with someone forever, and you've got to follow the way you feel. 00:36:12.661 --> 00:36:20.844 And once you start listening to your intuition, your gut, your soul, whatever you wanna call it, you will notice that life starts flowing. 00:36:20.896 --> 00:36:28.592 J- I tell you what, my mind is just blown all the time because mediumship and the spirit world really is magic, you know? 00:36:28.605 --> 00:36:38.400 What gets shown to you, and it… I, I just, I find myself in awe so often because of how much that the spirit world wants to help us and what they do. 00:36:38.585 --> 00:36:46.945 And once you start, you know, at the very beginning of my journey, yes, I would see, you know, synchronicities or whatever, but I'd still brush to one side as a coincidence. 00:36:47.105 --> 00:36:54.208 But when you start listening to how you feel, what starts, you know, unfolding, it is literal magic. 00:36:54.386 --> 00:37:03.192 And even in the synchronicities of, this last week for me, it really, allows me to see, one, how much I'm being guided. 00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:10.987 Two, that I, I couldn't be further from ever being alone because, you know, the, the spirit world are all around, and they're always helping and guiding us. 00:37:11.261 --> 00:37:14.867 But once you start learning, and, and the trust is so important. 00:37:15.005 --> 00:37:20.261 You know, we, everyone listening to this is gonna have a different relationship with how much they trust themselves. 00:37:20.496 --> 00:37:24.949 And you might be, you know, in a certain place in your mediumship where you do trust. 00:37:25.094 --> 00:37:28.425 You're at a stage now where you feel it's flowing. 00:37:28.503 --> 00:37:29.362 You trust. 00:37:29.501 --> 00:37:30.402 You say it. 00:37:30.472 --> 00:37:31.402 It's received. 00:37:31.451 --> 00:37:32.447 It's taken. 00:37:32.560 --> 00:37:37.846 However, something comes up, and you know, I saw it this morning in a circle that I was on. 00:37:37.996 --> 00:37:44.358 a lady got completely thrown off because someone who transitioned, to another sex had come forward. 00:37:44.612 --> 00:37:51.331 Now, this threw her off because of the fact that, you know, how do I refer to this person? 00:37:51.500 --> 00:37:53.726 Is this a male or a female? 00:37:53.849 --> 00:37:59.552 and it, and, but, so it, it, in that moment, it eroded her trust because she got something she didn't- know before. 00:37:59.565 --> 00:38:03.333 Now, what you've got to realize in mediumship is that is going to happen. 00:38:03.509 --> 00:38:11.038 I feel in the next 20 years, there's going to be such vast changes, in the communicators that the spirit world bring through. 00:38:11.050 --> 00:38:11.701 Why? 00:38:11.940 --> 00:38:14.248 Because we're changing as a society. 00:38:14.464 --> 00:38:21.556 You know, if we go back 10 years ago, were we w- gonna be getting people coming through who were au fait with the, the internet? 00:38:21.556 --> 00:38:24.092 No, it was always of a certain sort of generation. 00:38:24.371 --> 00:38:33.173 and, you know, as we go forward into the work times that we're in now, that's going to evolve and change, and your mediumship never stops evolving and changing. 00:38:33.173 --> 00:38:41.856 And even, like I said, the lessons that I learn on one day is immediately added to my vocabulary that the spirit world can draw on over the next week. 00:38:42.025 --> 00:38:46.844 And, you know, I think there's a beauty that so, so quickly afterwards, you know, that was done. 00:38:47.014 --> 00:38:50.815 And, you know, the lesson being this morning, I knew I wasn't with that person. 00:38:51.018 --> 00:38:53.877 But you've got to learn this is all a journey of trust. 00:38:53.880 --> 00:39:08.539 So when someone is… When you, we are teaching people, it really just stands out to me that what we are doing at a real foundation level, and it's, it's so much about this, because all of mediumship is about trusting and relaying what you get. 00:39:08.557 --> 00:39:13.069 Now,

you make, make a point that I'm like you, I'm incredibly nosy. 00:39:13.126 --> 00:39:15.519 you know, I want to understand things. 00:39:15.558 --> 00:39:22.311 and I wouldn't say it's nosy, I would say we have a curiosity about things, and often those, those sorts of things make the best mediums. 00:39:22.548 --> 00:39:24.833 But it's not your story, it's not your journey. 00:39:24.836 --> 00:39:26.572 You're not gonna understand what it is. 00:39:26.815 --> 00:39:33.387 And, you know, the sooner you can let go of that, need to want to interpret, which, you know, I was a right one for it. 00:39:33.389 --> 00:39:39.699 You know, I'd get something, and then before I know it, it, it'd gone round the purple washing machine like Chinese whispers and come out something else. 00:39:40.132 --> 00:39:49.673 But, you know, how would you say that, you know, i- in the work that you do, that you try and, facilitate and build that trust? 00:39:49.710 --> 00:39:56.815 Because, someone building trust isn't s- you know, you, you don't have a trust magic wand you get out, once a week and sprinkle it over someone. 00:39:57.286 --> 00:40:00.596 Yeah, that's by not being the teacher of the critique, if you ask me. 00:40:00.697 --> 00:40:12.081 because even those that do not, that it is maybe not their life's purpose to be, you know, of service to spirit and that be their main career, every person has a part to play. 00:40:12.081 --> 00:40:24.860 So, you know, it's ensuring that everybody that steps forward with this, you know, want to learn can enable themselves to be able to be, you know, everything that they need to be and build on that, you know? 00:40:25.143 --> 00:40:38.820 need to be, want to be, thrive to be, you know, just so that they can… Because every piece of mediumship, even if somebody does two readings that are good in their whole life out of a whole life of it, they had purpose and they had healing. 00:40:39.147 --> 00:40:50.025 So, you know, I, I… For me, the intention is always to come from, from your heart and want to encourage people to be the best that they can be because aren't we just being of service? 00:40:50.192 --> 00:41:09.574 You know, it's got to be about being of service because if it's not about being of service and having purpose and even having purpose for maybe that person that will give one or two good readings in their wh- their, you know, in all of their mediumship, you know, you know, work or whatever it is, part they play, if it's not their main job, then, you know, what are we doing? 00:41:09.918 --> 00:41:33.893 Because, you know, it's got to come with the real int- the right intentions of wanting to help people to develop to be more and do m- you know, be better and be confident and have their self-esteem built in that and allowing them to, you know, learn to get their mind out of the way and learn to just be that beautiful channel of power and just allowing that to flow through them to pass that message forward. 00:41:34.232 --> 00:41:35.610 And I think I've answered your question. 00:41:35.612 --> 00:41:36.094 I'm not sure. 00:41:36.094 --> 00:41:38.576 Just go- Yes, you, you have. 00:41:38.839 --> 00:41:50.923 And I guess, you know, a, a, a key point to make here is I, I feel as a medium, and you know I make no qualms about this, just look at my website, you know, it's a declaration of service to spirit. 00:41:51.237 --> 00:42:05.086 But I, you know, we are in service to spirit, and I always look at mediumship, yes, I'm in service to the, of course, the person who's in front of me, but they are second to that of spirit if indeed what's happening is a spirit communication. 00:42:05.086 --> 00:42:10.931 If it's a psychic reading, of course that's my, I, you know, I'm with the person because that's where my attention is. 00:42:10.938 --> 00:42:12.625 That's what I'm doing in that moment. 00:42:12.826 --> 00:42:16.230 But in a mediumship reading, you are with the spirit person first. 00:42:16.230 --> 00:42:20.337 Now everyone, I would like to think, to some degree understands that. 00:42:20.337 --> 00:42:30.226 Now the problem is you go to do a reading, and the first thing we do is, you know, our attention might start off with the communicator, and we know that that's what we're trying to do. 00:42:30.235 --> 00:42:32.344 We know that that's where we need to be. 00:42:32.530 --> 00:42:37.797 However, when you start, doing a reading, this is when it comes to building the power, isn't it? 00:42:37.798 --> 00:42:45.724 And being able to hold the power because it's so easy to, Before you know it, you, yes, you know you're meant to be with the communicator, but you're not. 00:42:45.726 --> 00:42:55.522 You've sort of drifted over towards the sitter or, you know, your attention could be up in your head where you're not… And, and it's, the difficulty is, is a lot of people, this is where the trust comes in. 00:42:55.741 --> 00:43:13.541 In the early stages of development, you may not even know where you are because you might, when you're starting to learn how to work with the power, you might feel, "Oh, I'm with them." But actually sometimes what could happen, and I've seen this, you'll get someone with a spirit, a person, but then before you know it, they're kind of off reading psychically. 00:43:13.711 --> 00:43:19.685 So you know, 'cause obviously if they have a dad that's come through from the spirit world, within them, it's psychic energy. 00:43:19.688 --> 00:43:35.221 They're gonna have impressions of their dad, and they could be saying things that are right that refer to life memories, but all of a sudden the attention has actually moved away from the spirit person and they're then reading psychically, which then, you know, how would you even, address that? 00:43:35.221 --> 00:43:46.012 Because there's so many different ways in which we can perceive and interpret in- information Well, there's a very different energy between somebody reading psychically and

somebody reading me- mediumistically. 00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:59.275 And so, you know, you just have to ask that person to sort of like, okay, take a moment, just pause with that information, and just go back to, you know, themselves within their own power, and then just remake that connection with that person. 00:43:59.605 --> 00:44:05.153 I mean, you know, I say it's as simple as that, but it's not s- you know, it's obviously very complex 'cause people do do that. 00:44:05.487 --> 00:44:09.489 But, you know, there's people out there that do believe they're doing mediumship, and they do read psychically. 00:44:09.518 --> 00:44:10.512 They're out there, you know. 00:44:10.534 --> 00:44:13.799 Like, because they haven't shown and known any other way. 00:44:14.047 --> 00:44:19.458 And, I do… there's a feeling, I believe, when you're, you're reading, and especially when you read from the heart. 00:44:19.647 --> 00:44:21.965 You can really feel the emotions move. 00:44:21.973 --> 00:44:25.460 You can feel the emotions in the sitter, you know, being moved. 00:44:25.460 --> 00:44:33.697 You c- you know, there's a, a, I, I will always feel the emotions of the person that's, you know, communicating with me to pass the message forward to their loved one. 00:44:33.962 --> 00:44:47.862 it's the, it's, it's, it's an, it's, it's, i- even when they're not necessarily showing it, you can feel it because there's a movement within that energy that just allows you to, to move with it and bring that food, that, you know, that message forward or even that feeling forward. 00:44:48.059 --> 00:44:51.110 and so within the psychic, that won't quite be there, you know. 00:44:51.110 --> 00:44:53.679 If you, you, you won't feel, you know, it won't be the same. 00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:54.708 You're sort of like reading. 00:44:54.715 --> 00:44:55.971 It's almost like reading a book. 00:44:55.971 --> 00:44:57.172 It's a little bit different, you know. 00:44:57.204 --> 00:45:07.281 Like all, you know, if the, you know, all the, all of the v- the volume and the, the em- you know, the emotion and the, the real senses dissip- dissipate. 00:45:07.306 --> 00:45:12.993 They're gone, you know, because you'll be, you'll cl- you're, you're reading facts intuitively, you know. 00:45:13.279 --> 00:45:21.268 And you can read intuitively and read with your guides, and there'll be, you know, this blend of the two and the emotions a- and that with the spirit thing, and you… That's very different. 00:45:21.282 --> 00:45:26.241 But then that is, it's the same as working mediumistically, but you're just working with a team. 00:45:26.500 --> 00:45:31.112 But if you're working, it will feel very factual, when you're working from your own intu- intuition. 00:45:31.121 --> 00:45:40.141 And you can say, "Oh, I know you felt emotional about this." You'll feel things like that, but there's a depth that is just not there because you're, there's the connection's not there, you know. 00:45:40.384 --> 00:45:53.456 I think there's always a lot going on, and, you know, even as you say, you know, i- in a lot of connections, yes, when you're bringing through like that emotion of love, that emotion of, just being a kindred spirit with someone, beautiful. 00:45:53.458 --> 00:45:58.094 There's kind of a meeting and a merging of the two emotions which build on the energy of the connection. 00:45:58.288 --> 00:46:14.875 However, you can get readings where one, you know, the person in the spirit world is bringing through, love and, absolute, you know, an abundance of it, but then you could be met with the sitter having, emotions of not wanting to hear from the person, not being particularly happy. 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:24.081 and then it's, you know, we again go back to trust because i- I can undersee this In mediumship with mediums, and this is again where it goes back to trust. 00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:40.462 If you're suddenly, bringing through that love, that emotion, and you're thinking, "Oh my goodness, this is Dad," you know, in that moment, and you're thinking, "Oh, I've got a dad here that wants to talk to their daughter," and then all of a sudden daughter, there, you can feel energetically that she's not c- pleased to hear from her dad. 00:46:40.487 --> 00:46:43.780 Now, that can then, absolutely throw the medium off. 00:46:43.804 --> 00:46:47.110 before they know it, they're in their head because they can sense that. 00:46:47.268 --> 00:46:54.711 But, you know, isn't it funny though that even in the sensing of that particular scenario, that then, why are you sensing that? 00:46:54.723 --> 00:46:56.011 Why are you getting that? 00:46:56.230 --> 00:47:03.918 And, this is when it's about trusting because, you know, we like to think that of course why would a, a daughter not want to hear from their dad? 00:47:03.951 --> 00:47:05.913 But, you know, this is what we're dealing with here. 00:47:05.990 --> 00:47:14.154 Every single person is different in front of you, and every single spirit communicator is different, and in one reading you might not just be having one person come through. 00:47:14.362 --> 00:47:26.469 You know, I've had a lot of occasions recently where I've had a whole family coming through, and the person feels differently towards each of those family members, especially when you start getting relatives come through from mom's side and dad's side. 00:47:26.471 --> 00:47:39.182 You know, if I look at my own family, you know, I instantly know what grandparent you've got, 'cause I've got one that was a medium, and then I've got one that was, you know, completely about status and where, where you sat in life, and was very hard on me. 00:47:39.344 --> 00:47:45.440 So, it can be quite funny in readings at times, and my grandad loves to experiment with mediums, 'cause I think he takes a great deal of pride. 00:47:45.444 --> 00:47:48.788 He shares the same passions for teaching and empowering people that I do. 00:47:48.791 --> 00:47:50.369

He just does it through the other world now. 00:47:50.697 --> 00:47:58.161 But there's instances where, you know, I've readings all the time where all of a sudden it starts off with,"Oh, your grandad has come through. 00:47:58.163 --> 00:48:01.048 He, you know, wants to show you this, he wants to show you that." Very upbeat. 00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:12.625 Then it says, it goes to, "And, and, you know, he, he struggled quite a bit with certain things." Well, the energy in that moment has completely changed because the other grand, father has stepped forward. 00:48:12.952 --> 00:48:16.563 So that's why it comes down to trust, and it's about moving in that moment. 00:48:16.807 --> 00:48:25.778 And, you know, one of the questions we, me and you, do get asked a lot is about, how do you, work on, maintaining, the, the power? 00:48:25.778 --> 00:48:31.684 How do you ensure, Donna King, that you are at full voltage at all times, for as long as possible? 00:48:32.339 --> 00:48:37.248 oh yeah, again, it's, it's about, it's about the time you, you give to it really. 00:48:37.576 --> 00:48:48.056 for me it's about learning to sit within that power and it is in the total trust, and just trusting yourself to just move with the messages and move with what's going on, like you said with an example. 00:48:48.058 --> 00:48:56.882 And I, I have had many readings whereby I can feel the person doesn't want to speak to that person, and so then we have to unlayer that as to why, you know? 00:48:56.897 --> 00:49:08.396 Because then y- you basically go back to and it's like, okay, so then you start, you know, then you have to be, you know, really quite apt at what you're doing to be able to pass that message forward for… Because there nor- there will always be a form of healing in that. 00:49:08.641 --> 00:49:19.528 You know, like even if the, the, the sitter isn't open to it at that point, spirit know better as to why that person's doing the one that's come forward to say whatever it is, even if it was unwanted at the time. 00:49:19.802 --> 00:49:24.413 so there will be always movement in it and there's some layers of intellect that we don't always comprehend. 00:49:24.418 --> 00:49:27.164 But the more you work with it, the more you know, the more you understand. 00:49:27.485 --> 00:49:30.159 and it, it, it's, it's in the movement of that, you know? 00:49:30.228 --> 00:49:52.154 It's, it's the movement of trusting in your own ability to understand the complexities in a way, and just giving it the allocated time to be able to build on staying in that power because, you know, it doesn't… You can't just, you can't just say,"Oh, yeah," and, and then, "I, I just wanna do this," and it just, like we said at the start, and flip a switch and here we are and this is what I'm doing. 00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:53.243 It just doesn't work like that. 00:49:53.243 --> 00:49:56.978 You have to keep allowing yourself the, the opportunity to work with that. 00:49:57.188 --> 00:50:00.230 And

it does start with the, the psyche, you know, the intuition. 00:50:00.269 --> 00:50:01.695 It, the, for me, it starts there. 00:50:01.695 --> 00:50:13.539 You know, that's what, that's a basis for some people to enable that, to be able to feel the, their, the, their own power and be able to move within that energy, which then allows this expansion to move into other areas Hmm. 00:50:13.685 --> 00:50:21.255 If I could give the lovely listener one bit of advice now, I would say, you know, going back to ba- basics, but not really basics. 00:50:21.413 --> 00:50:26.804 You, my darling listener, are an absolute powerhouse of potential. 00:50:26.973 --> 00:50:38.210 You have so much, power within you to achieve so much and, and really make your dreams come true, and it's just about starting to move to what you feel. 00:50:38.405 --> 00:50:48.232 And, you know, be discerning about who you listen to because I know myself, you know, I could go over to my mom's house now, and tell her something, and she could turn me off it. 00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:51.489 and I know and I feel that it's the right thing to do. 00:50:51.694 --> 00:51:02.985 But we all have people around us who love us, and, you know, a lot of the time, I know people i- in my own, you know, family that will be very sort of risk adverse, very want to play it safe. 00:51:03.185 --> 00:51:21.358 And if you've got, advisors around you and people around you, where you come up with an idea and you feel it, and you've got people sort of giving you things that are putting you in your head, I would say, and I can honestly say, that in my business career, every time I followed my gut feeling and even done some crazy things. 00:51:21.371 --> 00:51:30.547 Like, I'm someone who takes a roll of the dice at the best of times, but, I've done things that don't seem to make any rhyme or reason at the time, but I followed what I felt, and I've never lived to regret it. 00:51:30.761 --> 00:51:38.501 But, you know, that comes from a well-trodden life and a, a, a filing cabinet of mistakes that probably stretches from my house to your house, Donna King. 00:51:38.851 --> 00:51:47.420 So, you know, it's been a blast on this mediumship session, and I guess what final thought would you like to leave the lovely listener with today? 00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:49.063 Just feel her trust. 00:51:49.261 --> 00:51:50.076 There's just her trust. 00:51:50.088 --> 00:51:50.836 Just trust. 00:51:51.101 --> 00:51:58.161 Trust in yourself, trust in what you feel, and trust in, you know, the allowing yourself to take the opportunity for the growth. 00:51:58.630 --> 00:51:59.266 Trust. 00:52:00.009 --> 00:52:00.737 Trust. 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:02.478 And the word of the day, layers. 00:52:02.510 --> 00:52:03.688 We love layers. 00:52:03.856 --> 00:52:04.894 We love layers. 00:52:05.279 --> 00:52:05.516 Good. 00:52:05.530 --> 00:52:06.889 Donna King, it's been a blast. 00:52:06.915 --> 00:52:08.956 Mediumship sessions back next week. 00:52:09.025 --> 00:52:09.619 Enjoy