Why Are Grocery Store Refrigerators Connected to the Internet?의 전체 녹취록

00:01:43,000 and I was looking for swim lessons 45 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,520 for her through the city that I lived in. 46 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,080 And I happened to go to the city websites 47 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,760 looking for, hey, they must have events 48 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,920 and things that I can find swim lessons 49 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,640 and I just literally mistyped a URL 50 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,840 and basically got to like an admin page 51 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,120 for the city's HVAC system for the city hall. 52 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,440 And it had a prompt for an admin prompt with no password 53 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,160 and I literally just hit the enter key and it let me in. 54 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,800 It had, there was no password on it. 55 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,920 I was actually a pen tester back then 56 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:19,360 and I was just like giddy. 57 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:20,800 I'm like, oh my gosh. 58 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,160 I just stumbled upon this serious security vulnerability 59 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:25,640 at my local city. 60 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:29,080 And what I actually found was I could increase 61 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,240 the temperature of every room in the city hall, 62 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,000 in the building of the city hall, 63 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,520 including the mayor's office 64 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,420 and everything was labeled mayor's office 65 00:02:38,420 --> 00:02:40,400 and I could change the temperature if I wanted. 66 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,200 So I figured like I could jack up the temperature 67 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,160 to like 100 degrees Fahrenheit if I wanted to 68 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,040 and no one would know anything about it. 69 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:48,880 There must be a good reason 70 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,000 why I made it connect into the internet, right? 71 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,280 Well, it's funny. 72 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,640 So I emailed the city 73 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:56,760 and I emailed the mayor's office 74 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,320 and they forwarded the email over to the IT person. 75 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,160 And then the IT person emailed me. 76 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,240 He's like, hey, thank you for reporting this. 77 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:09,240 We just installed a new HVAC system in the city hall 78 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,600 and what ended up happening was that they left the defaults 79 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,880 wide open connected to the internet. 80 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,880 And so they did obviously secure that. 81 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,720 And I think what they did was they just had VPN access 82 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,720 only to that site. 83 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,760 But long story short, 84 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:31,040 this is very similar to what happened here in France 85 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,920 except on a much larger scale 86 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:35,880 and a much more serious scale 87 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:40,880 because this affected about 700 grocery store chains 88 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,800 apparently or stores in France. 89 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,200 And this has cost them millions of dollars. 90 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,840 Somebody jacked up these, 91 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,880 I think it was like 50 degrees Celsius 92 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,640 which is 120 some degrees Fahrenheit. 93 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:54,760 Yeah, a little warm. 94 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,280 Yeah, and it just, it melted everything 95 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,320 in the refrigerators and spoiled food. 96 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:01,280 You can't sell that. 97 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:02,680 And so that's a massive cost. 98 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,040 Millions of dollars is lost. 99 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:05,240 Millions of dollars. 100 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,280 And so it begs the question of 101 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,360 why were these refrigerators connected to the internet? 102 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,320 And we don't have a whole lot of details 103 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:14,800 of what exactly happened, 104 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,800 except for there was a vulnerability 105 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,160 in these control systems. 106 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,920 And it's interesting, I looked at the, 107 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,840 it was like the French, 108 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:26,640 I think it's like their cyber security. 109 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,480 Oh, the security. 110 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,800 Yeah, it was like a disclosure basically, 111 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,080 like they would do in the US with CISA, 112 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,600 they would send out this advisory. 113 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,480 And one of the first things they put in the advisory was 114 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,800 it is not best practice to connect these controllers, 115 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,720 these network controllers to the internet. 116 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:49,720 So my theory is that these were default installs 117 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,400 and they were automatically just connected to the internet 118 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,240 and no one did anything to change it, right? 119 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,000 But there is a patch apparently 120 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,720 that they, whatever this control board was 121 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,320 that people companies are going to install. 122 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,040 You know what, I could imagine a scenario 123 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,480 that may not be anything like what it is, 124 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,000 but you know how when you've got your home router 125 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,120 and you've got your main network 126 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,680 and you've got your guest network 127 00:05:15,680 -->

00:05:17,520 and sometimes you want to be smart and you say, 128 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,800 if I'm going to put in a connected thing 129 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,120 that could be doing things, 130 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,800 I want to keep it away from my main computer network. 131 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,720 So I'm going to put it on the guest network, 132 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,480 which would mean it actually has probably less protection 133 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,040 or direct connection to the internet. 134 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,120 And if it's what we would call 135 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,000 this cyber physical thing, right? 136 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,920 It doesn't have to be connected to your computers 137 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,400 to cause damaging. 138 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,320 It's connected to those refrigerators 139 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,080 that are storing all your food and your products, right? 140 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,920 So I think from the point of view of, I mean, 141 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,720 the story that we found on this sort of focused on an AI angle, 142 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,880 and I know that people are tired of hearing about AI, 143 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,120 but as far as cybersecurity goes, 144 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,320 like AI is 90% of anybody's day in cybersecurity these days. 145 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,360 So I'm not too apologetic about it, 146 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,960 but I think what it shows to me, 147 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,800 assuming that this was, 148 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,440 that there was some legitimate vulnerability 149 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,680 it wasn't just directly connected to the internet. 150 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,080 It does make you think AI is going to be used more 151 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,840 and has been used in Japan, 152 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:20,200 there's been many cyber attacks that were AI based. 153 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,400 And it's an opportunity for us to talk about how AI 154 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,720 will eventually be used in every attack 155 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,560 as a sort of dynamic pen test, 156 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,840 real-time pen test to find vulnerabilities 157 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:36,000 and exploit them at the same time, 158 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:41,710 which is I think a step further than we've gone before. 159 00:06:41,710 --> 00:06:44,590 Mobile apps are just part of everyday life now. 160 00:06:44,590 --> 00:06:47,790 Banking, healthcare, shopping, entertainment, you name it. 161 00:06:47,790 --> 00:06:50,310 And with that comes a lot of trust 162 00:06:50,310 --> 00:06:52,470 because users are putting their personal data 163 00:06:52,470 --> 00:06:54,550 directly into your app. 164 00:06:54,550 --> 00:06:55,670 But here's the reality. 165 00:06:55,670 --> 00:06:57,870 Mobile apps are a growing target. 166 00:06:57,870 --> 00:07:01,070 A recent survey found that 72% of organizations 167 00:07:01,070 --> 00:07:04,630 experienced a mobile app security incident last year 168 00:07:04,630 --> 00:07:08,350 and 92% say threats are only increasing. 169 00:07:08,350 --> 00:07:10,390 And the way attackers are going after apps 170 00:07:10,390 --> 00:07:11,950 is pretty sophisticated. 171 00:07:11,950 --> 00:07:14,710 They're reverse engineering them, modifying them 172 00:07:14,710 --> 00:07:18,230 and redistributing fake versions through phishing campaigns, 173 00:07:18,230 --> 00:07:21,610 side loading and even third party app stores. 174 00:07:21,610 --> 00:07:23,530 So from a user's perspective, 175 00:07:23,530 --> 00:07:26,270 everything can look completely legitimate. 176 00:07:26,270 --> 00:07:27,950 That's why taking a proactive approach 177 00:07:27,950 --> 00:07:30,430 to mobile app security really matters. 178 00:07:30,430 --> 00:07:31,950 You want to stay ahead of these threats 179 00:07:31,990 --> 00:07:34,710 not react after the damage is done. 180 00:07:34,710 --> 00:07:36,630 This is where Guard Square comes in. 181 00:07:36,630 --> 00:07:38,070 They provide advanced protection 182 00:07:38,070 --> 00:07:40,470 for both Android and iOS apps, 183 00:07:40,470 --> 00:07:42,710 along with automated security testing 184 00:07:42,710 --> 00:07:44,990 to catch vulnerabilities early 185 00:07:44,990 --> 00:07:46,910 and real-time threat monitoring 186 00:07:46,910 --> 00:07:49,590 so you can actually see what's happening out there. 187 00:07:49,590 --> 00:07:52,030 If your mobile app is critical to your business 188 00:07:52,030 --> 00:07:53,590 and it probably is, 189 00:07:53,590 --> 00:07:55,990 this is something worth paying attention to. 190 00:07:55,990 --> 00:07:58,790 You can learn more at guardsquare.com. 191 00:07:58,790 --> 00:08:03,040 That's guardsquare.com. 192 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:04,480 Yeah, it's a really good point, Scott. 193 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,800 And I think these internet worms and bots 194 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,480 and botnets and all these things, this is nothing new. 195 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:11,920 This is old hat, right? 196 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,040 This is kind of how attacks have been working 197 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,880 for since the beginning of information security, right? 198 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,840 But I think the difference with AI 199 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,880 is these attacks are faster. 200 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,440 They're done faster. 201 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,560 They're done more automated 202 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,480 where before it was a human behind the keyboard 203 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,040 putting a script together, trial and error, 204 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,960 figuring things out, doing that, 205 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,760 and that still happens today. 206 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,800 But with AI, things happen much faster. 207 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,360 So I think that's the

challenge now. 208 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,600 Yeah, I think the other key difference 209 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,120 is that humans get tired of doing this stuff 210 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,600 or they can only do so many at a time 211 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,040 because they're going so slow. 212 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,840 But AI is persistent. 213 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,520 We should have a name for an attack like that, 214 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,320 like an advanced persistent threat. 215 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,920 Yeah, APT, AI persistent threat, 216 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,080 or what do you call it? 217 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,000 Well, we have to call it SI now 218 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,680 because the president has decided here 219 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:07,360 that it's no longer AI, it's super intelligence. 220 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:08,960 Super intelligence, persistent threat, 221 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,640 or if you're dyslexic. 222 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,800 I have a problem with just calling it super intelligence. 223 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,160 Enemy of the state, man. 224 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,840 I saw a post somewhere where someone's like, 225 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,120 oh my gosh, AI is going to create this worm 226 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,800 and it's going to attack all these devices. 227 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,400 And I'm like, but this is happening now 228 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,200 with worms and botnets. 229 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,440 We've always had this problem. 230 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,480 It's just now I think the speed of delivery 231 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:34,920 and the speed of finding 232 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,480 and that's really the advantage that AI has. 233 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,280 And I go back to the controls around this 234 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,680 and the security things that you need to do 235 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:47,560 to harden these systems, that has not changed either. 236 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:49,160 Just because AI is in the mix, 237 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,760 you still have to do the basic fundamentals, 238 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,000 which in this case don't have a system 239 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,560 hanging out on the internet 240 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,040 that is potentially vulnerable. 241 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,200 You can put a layer of a VPN or use tail scale 242 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,520 or there's so many solutions these days 243 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,520 that these vendors could be using, 244 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,520 but all it takes is someone to write a script AI 245 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,240 or whoever or a human to find these devices. 246 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:16,760 And we talked about like show Dan 247 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,520 and there's tools that will find 248 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,760 internet of things devices hanging out on the internet. 249 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,200 And it doesn't take a lot of knowledge to create a script 250 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,120 and then attack all of those devices. 251 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,840 And I think that's what we've seen here. 252 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,160 Someone made a point. 253 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:32,680 We don't know who did this, right? 254 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:35,160 We don't have a lot of information. 255 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,320 To me it feels like could you actually do this 256 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:38,840 and get some media attention? 257 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,960 Yeah, but think about the consequences 258 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,560 if this was a hospital or life critical systems 259 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:49,200 that are happening to be hanging out on the internet 260 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:50,680 and people could die. 261 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:52,680 This is a very serious thing. 262 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,560 We don't want to accuse everybody 263 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:58,040 of just putting stuff on the internet 264 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,760 and having default credentials and stuff like that. 265 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,560 There is vulnerability in every kind of software 266 00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:04,960 including VPN software. 267 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,880 So you might have configured it completely properly. 268 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:12,400 And the AI approach now with highly fast 269 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:17,280 and highly scaled attacks may be able to break the VPNs 270 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,160 that we've really trusted for a long time. 271 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,920 And this is why they're calling this now 272 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,000 the bone apocalypse that we're living in 273 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,960 where there's just going to be more vulnerabilities 274 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,400 than we've ever seen in our lifetime 275 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,840 happening at a faster rate. 276 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,040 Well, it's not that they are new vulnerabilities. 277 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,200 It's that the AI is finding old vulnerabilities 278 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,240 because with the mythos, they're all using mythos now 279 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,040 to try and find those because if they don't 280 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,120 somebody else is going to. 281 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,200 I think internet of things devices, 282 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,480 anything with an IP address that's connected 283 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:51,320 to the internet. 284 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,920 What can you buy that's electronic these days 285 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,040 that doesn't connect to the internet? 286 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,200 Everything does. 287 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,560 And it's getting stupid. 288 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:02,760 Like your coffee maker, your toothbrush, your, 289 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:07,000 you name it, it has some

type of internet connectivity. 290 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,200 Like we should do an episode 291 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,480 about the internet toothbrushes. 292 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,080 I think that's hilarious. 293 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,880 So like why, why does my toothbrush 294 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:14,720 have to connect to the internet? 295 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,440 I know, and there was a story, I don't know, 296 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,640 five to maybe even longer years ago 297 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,800 where some guy monitored all of the traffic 298 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,120 in his home network to see what was communicating 299 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:27,960 and how much data. 300 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,160 And it was just like unbelievable how. 301 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,000 Oh, it's crazy. 302 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:31,840 Yeah. 303 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,120 It's absolutely crazy. 304 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,600 I mean, in, you know, from your TV to, I mean, 305 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,920 you name it, think about all the devices 306 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,920 you have in your house right now. 307 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,320 Like I think about, cause it's the holidays. 308 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:42,480 We got Halloween. 309 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,840 Like I have four devices right now 310 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,960 that are the smart switches 311 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,480 that turn my lights on outside. 312 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,440 That alone is probably squawking away to the internet. 313 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:55,280 Right? 314 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:56,120 Yep, yep. 315 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:57,680 Except it's on my home network. 316 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:00,920 The more we depend on it, the more vulnerable we are. 317 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,480 I wanted to give you an opportunity to plug the book 318 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,160 which has been released, right? 319 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,080 The Amazon Kindle version. 320 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,360 Yes, the digital legacy tree was released last week 321 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,200 and getting interesting response. 322 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,520 It's actually, it won't be free as of the time 323 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,200 that you published this episode. 324 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:21,600 By the time this is released now. 325 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,080 It's gonna be at 99 cents. 326 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:23,920 Wow. 327 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,080 Look to buy for a week or two at least. 328 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,520 And so a special hint for listeners. 329 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,560 If you're interested in thinking about what happens 330 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:36,400 to all your accounts, if something happens to you 331 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,600 where you can't manage them anymore unexpectedly 332 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,560 and your family has to take over, 333 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:43,440 what have you done to try and prepare for that? 334 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,920 And I did an episode a couple of weeks ago 335 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,520 with you and Kevin to talk about that. 336 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,400 But the book itself is now released as an e-book on Kindle 337 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,120 and it is free for the next day or two 338 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,120 and then 99 cents for a while. 339 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,080 But it's been a fun experience just getting that published 340 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,240 and getting some good feedback to good reviews. 341 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,800 So I would love to have people buy it for 99 cents, 342 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,080 do a review if you can. 343 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,120 And the verified buyer reviews are very valuable 344 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:12,640 in terms of driving it. 345 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,280 99 cents for a book in this economy. 346 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,520 Come on guys, everybody should be buying this book. 347 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:18,880 That's so affordable. 348 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,000 And are you looking to do a print version one day? 349 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,960 Yes, I'm gonna wait and see what kinds of feedback 350 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,160 I get on the e-book. 351 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,000 Cause the nice thing about Kindle is 352 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,240 you can reissue a new edition instantaneously. 353 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,920 So I wanna get it to be a little more stable 354 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,520 based on feedback of people who've been reading it. 355 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,440 I feel like a egotist going in every once in a while 356 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,320 and checking my KDP downloads. 357 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,640 It's up to 70, released like three days ago. 358 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,320 So have a look at this. 359 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,280 Amazon bestsellers. 360 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,280 Oh, wow. Bestselling, business and investing. 361 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,160 Number one, the digital legacy tree. 362 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:54,320 Look at that. 363 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:55,760 Congratulations. 364 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,080 That's big time. 365 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:58,280 That's big time. 366 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,120 It helps it's free. 367 00:14:59,120 --> 00:14:59,960 I love it. 368 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:04,720 Let's help Scott get more than 70 downloads. 369 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:05,560 Yeah, absolutely. 370 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,640 Please buy the book for 99 cents. 371 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:08,480 You won't regret it. 372 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,840 My target is actually to get 20 verified reviews 373 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,320 by the end of November. 374 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:15,160 Awesome. 375 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,480 Then we'll make it a good Christmas gift for people. 376 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,200 Yeah, and then leave a review for Scott. 377 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,840 I do appreciate the people from the podcast 378 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,800 who have signed up to be beta readers 379 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,960 and provided the review comments before I published it. 380 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,080 So I actually put an acknowledgement list 381 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,680 in the front of the book for folks 382 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,840 that put significant contributions in. 383 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,240 So thanks everybody for that. 384 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:36,240 I appreciate it. 385 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:37,640 All right, everyone. 386 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,520 Thank you for listening as always. 387 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,920 And until next time, stay safe, 388 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,880 stay secure and stay private. 389 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,640 Thank you for listening or watching. 390 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,400 If you liked this episode, hit subscribe, 391 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,280 share it with your friends and colleagues, 392 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,560 or jump into our community at sharedsecurity.net 393 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,320 slash supporter to keep the conversation going. 394 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,480 Thanks again, and we'll see you next week 395 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,080 for another episode of Shared Security.