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Hello listeners and welcome to a different kind of episode of Screen Generation.
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The past two episodes you've experienced my commentary without much external input.
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I do the research, watch the movies, and record an episode.
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The problem is the past two films were very enjoyable and fun to learn about, and this one is not.
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I don't want to know anything more about this cursed movie, so you're gonna get a guest.
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For the record, I had seen this before and I knew it was coming.
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For that reason, I asked my friend Rob to do me a mitzvah and watch this thing.
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He's a college professor, a cultural activist, and I consider him a dear friend.
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Before we switch our conversation, I would like to mention I called this movie Cursed.
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It's like the tape from the ring.
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It's largely improvised, half of the cast is musicians, not actors.
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Brett Ratner's in this movie, Jared Leto's in this movie, Mike Tyson might get our best actor award, which is a real surprise, and Robert Dinah Jr.
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is he's a whole lot in this movie.
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I think you're going to notice that it was so much more fun to talk about this movie than it was to watch it.
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So with that, let's get to my conversation with my good friend Rob Santos.
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Thank you for joining me.
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Thanks for having me, man.
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This is dope.
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Rob, I really do appreciate it because as I was saying earlier, I um I'm trying to do as little work as possible on this episode.
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And uh especially because it's not the best movie.
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It's uh it's an interesting film, but it it just uh like the the I don't know the more you look into it, the less you actually want to, you know, just uh like dive in.
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Yeah.
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So can I ask you?
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Um how mad are you at me for making?
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I'm not furious, you know what I'm saying?
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Like at the very least, um it it it was something that it's interesting.
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It's it was an interesting watch.
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Um, you know, I probably have more questions than answers when it comes to this thing, but it's a good thing.
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Ask me about the film, like the odds are I I I've I've had the same question.
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I'm like, how the hell did this happen?
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Yeah.
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And that's the biggest question.
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It's like, how did this movie get made?
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Whose idea was this?
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And so I I I have possibly an answer for that, which is a adorable thing.
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Uh but um just uh tell me, like, uh you don't have to give me like a grade or anything, but just uh it's like a a good, bad film.
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Like uh I would say uh I would probably give this uh probably like a C.
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So it's passing?
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I would it would passing.
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I mean, as an educator, you must value that.
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C plus is passing, yeah.
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The ending, atrocious.
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That that's why it it the ending is horrible.
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You know what I mean?
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Like they were just like six months later.
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It's like you're in the middle of the shit, six months later, and then it's basically the credits at that point, you know?
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Yeah, it's almost like it was tacked on for for no reason, really.
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Yeah, like they got in over their heads, they had too many storylines, and then they're like, you know what?
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We gotta six months later this shit.
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And I just think as an actor, this seems like a dream job because I'm thinking sure for every one of them, it's the gotta be the same as like doing a commercial or something.
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Yeah.
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Like three days of shooting.
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Yeah, it seems like there wasn't a script.
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Every uh every person that uh has talked about working in it said that it was completely improvised.
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Wow.
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I know.
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So well, now that you say that, that kind of makes sense a little bit, you know.
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And uh so also a couple like uh it's like not truly random things happen in it.
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Method Man is in this movie by accident.
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He's in the freaking Wu-Tang class.
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Is that when he like when he rolled up in the in the SUV?
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Yeah, yeah, um, outside in uh in the standing island by the you know by the Wu Tang wall.
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Yeah.
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And uh like uh they're shooting out there.
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And uh the thing is, as I've heard it, like uh he's he's at home, just you know, visiting family, and uh like there's a kid that watches his car.
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Yeah like you know when he parks it, and he's
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like, Yeah, they're shooting down at the wall.
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And it's just like he's like, who are they shooting?
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And it's like, no, no, no, no.
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It's like they're shooting like a film, and it's like he goes down there and he recognizes uh crazy.
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Like uh he recognizes that director, uh what is his name?
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Um Brett Ratner.
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Okay, he recognizes Brett Ratner because Brett Ratner had already directed a couple of their videos.
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Okay.
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But during that talk where he's like, you know, talking about it's like you need me for four days.
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I'm from Miami, but you you know, I'll make it Hollywood, I'll make you Hollywood.
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So a big thing about this movie is like there are a bunch of cancelled people in this movie.
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That is and so like Brett Ratner, super canceled.
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Damn.
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And here's the thing, it's like um in 2017, he was super meatooed.
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Like there were so many women that would just like it, it's like every star from his movies, like uh he would just threaten to get rid of them and uh like uh uh unless they were to you know cooperate.
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That is wow.
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And so I'm imagining that same talk they just gave me, it's like you need me because I can give you the sex factor.
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And it's like that's the same thing he would do to like just coerce women into bed.
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So he's a monster.
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Fun fact uh, you know, I work in hip hop and stuff like that, and we've had Method Man teach at my rap school.
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So we sat in class with Method Man online, and uh that was really interesting.
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We've had uh Was he wearing a bucket hat?
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He was not wearing a bucket hat.
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He's the only one who can really pull it off.
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Everyone keeps trying to do it, everyone keeps trying to do radicals again, yeah.
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And it's like, no, Method Man always had that and it worked.
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Uh we also had Inspector Deck at the class when he was here in the film.
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It okay, so we're we're uh we're talking about the the just the the shit, we're talking about the members of the Wu Tang clan that are in this movie.
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Yeah.
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Have you thought why is the RISA not in this movie?
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That is a good question.
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That is a good question.
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He has a career in film now, right?
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Right?
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Yeah, yeah.
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That's that is a good question.
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Uh who know, he might have been traveling or something.
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Well too.
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Who knows?
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I I I I asked that question, it's a little loaded, alright?
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The reason he's not in this movie is the probably the reason that it exists.
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Okay.
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And uh hear me out.
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Um, so um in the end of 1998, he puts out Bobby Digital in stereo.
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Right.
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And so he'd been working on that.
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He'd been working on actually like playing instruments instead of sampling and stuff.
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Uh-huh.
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And Raekwon right now is recording his second solo album.
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Right.
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Right.
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And none of it has any production by the RISA.
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Okay.
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And the first album was all by the RISA.
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And so now I'm thinking about that first album, it also was like chapters or like um uh scenes in a movie.
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It was cinematic.
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Right.
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And Jim Jarmish, who's uh you know, like a great director, he's what do you call it, working on a script.
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It's got Forrest uh Whitaker, and it's gonna be Ghost Dog, Way at the Samurai, and he's listening to a lot of Wu-Tang because he's getting inspired by it.
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And he goes and asks the Riza, hey, would you like to make a soundtrack for me?
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Yes.
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And so he's doing that.
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And imagine if you're Rae Kwan and you're just like Which is a phenomenal soundtrack, by the way.
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Yes, it's Ghost Dog, right?
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Yes, it's it's it's an amazing soundtrack, and there's hey shit.
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I did a lot of research on that too.
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Yeah.
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But uh shit, man, even like his Blade Trinity soundtrack is crazy.
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It's like that movie sucks, but it's like it rocks, you know, and so it's like I don't know, you're just being a bombarded with like, man, this is it's like it's really a beaten killer, and it's like, you know, just uh I don't know, Wesley Snipes can do no wrong.
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Yeah but uh like so now I'm thinking about it, your your your Raekwon, uh the reason is not helping you on your next album, and now he's
like, I'm doing movies.
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You gotta be like, oh shit, I should be doing movies.
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Right.
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You know, it's like and everyone in Wu Tang right now, they're diversifying.
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So um, like um uh in October of uh 99, there's the uh the PS1 game.
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Yes, trying to think what it's called, but I remember playing it.
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Um, it will be rectified shortly.
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There is another powerful discipline, that of Wu Tang, the sole master of his ancient art, is a sin.
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But now I have found my old friend once again, hiding like a skin.
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Wu Tang uh um Way of Shaolin or something.
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Okay, okay.
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And uh um like uh just uh during the time everyone's uh doing something else, and so Power, uh who like really not not even Rest in peace, by the way, but it's recently passed away.
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Really?
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Oh man.
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Yeah, power passed away, man, the uh just a few months ago, actually.
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Yeah, okay, real bummer because now what I'm thinking about saying is um he um gets the uh the the rights to put Wu-Tang into like clothing, right?
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And so he he's like woo wear is a big part of it.
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Like um yeah they're they're getting like deals to like be in Macy's and stuff.
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And with that, I used to sell woo-ware.
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What?
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Yeah, I used to sell woo-ware for sure.
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Okay, you're dating yourself a little bit.
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Yeah, I swear to God, you know.
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I used to sell woo-ware at the mall, bro.
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Yeah.
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Because he makes all of those uh like like business uh connections when he's he's doing that.
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They start introducing him to directors, and he meets this dude named James Tobak who makes this movie.
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Wow.
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And so I'm guessing Powers like going to Requa and it's like, dude, I gotta see a director, let's make a movie.
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They don't even have to have a script or anything like that.
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It just it it uh it also, you guys, I like the way you guys dress.
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Why don't you dress the way you are?
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It's like this this movie, it it it's super simple for for a guy to make, plus he had the access to them.
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Right, and like uh just that we we discussed, it looks horrible.
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Like uh just uh like
visually, it does not look uh like well made.
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But uh like uh to pull this off, especially when you probably only had to shoot for less than three weeks.
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Yeah, it's like uh you could brag about everyone who's in this movie because he picked, I'd say like people that will have careers, and also people just like we can just talk about it, but like uh some of the celebrities in this, they will, you know, just they'll have staying power.
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Yeah.
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And like this movie has three Academy Award winners in it.
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It's such a random mix of actors and just people in general.
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Like to have Raquan in the same movie as Elijah Wood! Like, how random, you know?
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How random is that?
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And then uh who is this uh what was it?
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The uh Brooke Shields?
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It's Brooke Shields uh wearing like these the rattiest dreads.
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With dreads, and and she's she's walking around with a little camera, and like every time they cut to her footage, you're like, oh, you could never use that in a fucking documentary.
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Why is she even shooting a documentary like that didn't go anywhere, really?
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And and so for for him, uh for her and Robert Down Jr., it does seem like they exist to shoehorn this idea that uh, you know, uh like white people are consuming hip-hop and like uh it it's it's such a different message that we kind of currently have.
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Because like uh over the past decade, it's really been that white people are stealing, you know, uh culture and you know tradition.
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And whereas before it it was black people are corrupting the white people with their hippety hop music.
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That's right.
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And uh, you know, just uh it it it it it's changed so much, and maybe actually we're changing back radically where it's just you know diversity's a bad thing.
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You know, I well who knows, man, but you know, but white folks, young white suburban kids are the biggest consumers of hip hop music and purchasers of hip-hop music, you know, and like if you go to like um you know, I've been to a bunch of Wu-Tang shows and stuff like that, and they have a bunch of white fans, man.
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You know, they have everyone loves the Wu, but um white folks are notoriously some of the biggest financial supporters of rap music, you know.
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And and uh here's the thing, also if the Rizer were in this, he'd be kind of like put coming this message, it's like, who do you think buys our records is making us rich?
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All right, it's like we're mainstream now, we're in a video game, man.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's like you think a lot of you know, just uh kids in the hood got PlayStations, yeah.
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All right, it's like we are doing this to you know to make money off of these people.
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They're they're buying it good, you know, and like uh also we're Wu Tang.
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It's like we're inspired by just uh like Kung Fu movies.
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Yeah, and it I I always do kind of think the reason probably they have such a uh I not as a white following, is they were also very relatable in that like uh really I especially especially for the resident, it's like man, he's the nerdiest dude, who's the coolest guy, right?
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Like, you know, just he he like you know absorbs other cultures, but also just uh like I I would say it's like uh as soon as they renamed themselves and they found like you know, just uh like I don't know their their clan, but their little tribe, it's like it gave them identity and like you know, so like that gave them power.
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Before that, they were just you know being bullied around the neighborhood and stuff, you know.
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And actually, so Raekwon and Ghostface are the only two people I would say in the group that would uh I don't know, scare me a little bit, you know, because of like you know, because of their affiliations.
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The rest of them, I gotta say, it's like you know, they were they were a bunch of nerds to me.
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Right, right.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Ghostface did make a little cameo in the film too.
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And then you hear one of the kids say, Oh, is that Ghostface killer?
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Okay, right now we're kind of noticing the skyline.
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Yeah, you you kind of saw it.
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It's like uh they didn't know that uh the Twin Towers were gonna be good dropping in two years, so like you don't even like uh like drop like focus on any of them.
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Yeah, like this movie is true, and also like I said, 25 years.
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No one tried to reclaim this movie as like, oh, we didn't know how good we had it.
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This movie's just yeah, no one I have not heard anyone talk about this movie at all.
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You know, it's uh it's a conundrum, you know.
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This this film, I feel like there are some nuances that they were starting to scratch the surface of, but it's almost like there was so much going on, they didn't have a real chance to get deep enough into some things.
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Like the concept of like these white kids wanting to
like be black or be a part of black culture, and and they were, you know, the girl was like trying to speak like Ebonic, so to speak, or you know, um, she was like, I was at the library, like to her dad, you know what I'm saying?
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While they're eating quail, you know, she's like, I was at the library, and like with her gold tooth in her front, and like it's like wow, this is this is really interesting.
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And I thought that that part of it, this this like exploration of white kids wanting to be black, was pretty interesting.
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But then at the same time, when you hear Rae Kwan practicing his lyrics, it was about like the lyrics were about like really him trying to get out of the hood and get his life right, so to speak, right?
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So you have that juxtaposition of the white kids kind of glorifying hood culture, quote unquote, and then the people from the hood, you know, speaking on like you know I'm saying trying to get out and shit, you know?
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So I I wish they would have explored that a little bit further.
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Um, and I like I was like, yo, they're on, they're kind of onto something right now, you know?
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But then it just took a turn with like now there's you know, this guy has to throw the basketball game, and then this lady with her random documentary, and then Ben Stiller's uh trying to get out of his trouble.
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Like that was all of that was pretty wild, but yeah.
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I think you kind of said it's like if they had picked one, if they had picked one thing to pursue, yeah.
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But because there's too much shit going on, you but it's like neither of them have a message.
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It's also strange how all these people in a giant city can run into each other, yeah, for sure.
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Like it just uh d get rid of like the class discrepancy.
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It's like it's it it's it's weirder that like you know when they go to the party, it's like, oh my god, every person I've met in this movie is here.
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Yeah, and is that Mike Tyson?
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Yeah, Mike Tyson.
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Randomly, and he's just looking out the window like I'm having a peaceful moment here, you know.
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Like, leave me alone.
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And then the dude's husband, uh, what is it, home uh homegirl's husband.
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Yeah, Robert Downey Jr.
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Robert Downey Jr.
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is hitting on Mike Tyson, which is crazy.
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Okay, let's let's go in that order.
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Robert Downey Jr., um, this year, 1999, uh later on the year, he gets arrested
for violating probation, and that leads to him cleaning up.
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So Tony Stark and everything, it comes because of this year.
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So it's like this is his rock bottom.
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He's so high during this movie he doesn't remember making it.
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Wow, really?
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Yeah, he he he like he's been asked about it, doesn't remember making it.
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That is so funny.
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During the Mike Tyson scene, he's in character when he's trying to hit on him, and uh like uh the the the crew had to push him away and like you know, just uh because they were worried Mike was actually gonna hit him.
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All right.
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Now, okay, also the reason they might be scared of Mike Tyson, okay.
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Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
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So the 90s were bad for him.
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Yeah.
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Like in 92, he's convicted of rape, and that's like that's that's prison time, yeah.
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And so in 95 he gets released and he's trying to like rehabilitate his image, and then in 97 he bites off of Ander Holyfield's Peter.
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They even reference that part in the film.
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But I I think also it was probably in uh like uh it was in so many rap like songs, yeah.
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Just be it's like what rhymes with air, everything.
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Yes, exactly.
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What rhymes with Holyfield?
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Yeah, everything.
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But yeah, so like uh um this is night uh this is '99, the beginning of the year, he gets thrown in jail again for beating up two motorists in like a road rage incident.
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Oh my god.
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And during that time, his security had like had to stop him from doing it, and uh like uh because he's punching them, they end up like uh in court, like you know, testifying against him.
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Oh my goodness.
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Which is amazing.
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Yeah, and also because I want to say this man is uncancelable, right?
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You know, it's like how many controversies can you have before they're just like a survivor, man?
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You know, he's a survivor.
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He's in this movie.
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I think he's really good in it.
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Yeah, he's actually great.
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And the part when he's giving power advice on what to do with this guy who's like snitching on him is.
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But I I think he's got the the quote where it's like, I've made too many mistakes to be a wise man.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's awesome.
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Yeah, like uh it's like didn't you know that like uh they didn't go around, it's like okay, here's your here's your little script, like trying to remember the words.
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Because I doubt he could have done that if it wasn't actually sincere.
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And he, you know, he was speaking so poetically too in the in it.
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And uh I like I like Mike Tyson's role in this.
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You know, I can't believe it.
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We're gonna giving like real compliments to him, but yeah, yeah, he was a good performance.
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He did like it actually it it's a a full decade before the hangover.
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Uh-huh.
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Like uh Decover uh the Decover the Hangovers in uh 2009.
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So he like he I don't know, like uh after that he gets a full like uh like an image like rehab, and like I think he makes so much money off of like that, like he just uh the royalties from how big that was.
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Yeah, and then they get you for the sequels, and like I'm sure with that it's just uh an easy couple million dollars because right now he is broke because of all of the controversy trouble.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah, like um because of all uh the trouble he was getting in there, um uh Nevada wouldn't let him fight.
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So he he couldn't fight in Vegas, and uh like um I think it was also had the ear thing going on.
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Wow, but that was great for ratings, you know.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Oh wait, you're talking about when during this era this era of the film.
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Okay, okay.
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And uh he he retires in like uh 2003.
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So like he only has a good four years left.
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And he looks like he's also in great shape.
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Yeah, it's it's it's a stranger thing because um like uh we do know because we know how how time goes, eventually, face tattoo, you know, a couple other like you know, uh like bigger snafuos and stuff like that, but uh just uh like no complaints with his performance in this movie.
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Nah, he did great.
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I thought it was a great random that he was in it, but he did a great job, I thought.
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Well, just I think everyone's random that they're in this movie.
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Like, but but also I I think it's not hard to convince someone to do it if they don't have to memorize lines, they don't have to change their clothes,
they don't have to, you know, like uh I'm certain also there was a big old apology after Robert Downey Jr.
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was like, you know, just let me get some of that Tyson, you know, just like it was uh it the balls of that bandico in there.
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He said, I had a dream that you you were holding me.
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Robert Downey says to Tyson, that was so funny.
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Better the freak out uh by the by the cap.
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I'm gay, yeah, and then he's gay, yeah.
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That was like, you know, and then to be he's married to uh uh Brookshiro, right?
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And then like everyone knows he's gay, but she doesn't know he's gay, or like what you've gotta be in denial of some kind, yeah.
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Like maybe when they met, and it's like he's so flamboyant you'll never understand.
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And you see them, that's not a real couple.
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There's no way she might also be like a full three inches taller than him, man.
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Like it's like I'd be like short king, get that because also she is gorgeous in the movie, yeah, but it's like she's a walking red flag.
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Like the the the hair and everything.
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She's the one who should be asking herself why she's being like uh really influenced by black culture.
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Yeah, right?
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Like she she's up, like not to say she's studying these kids, but the kids are just consuming, and like whatever would be cool at the time.
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I I just say if it were maybe a decade earlier, they'd be wearing jeans and like listening to grunge, maybe.
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Who knows?
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Yeah, yeah.
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But how random, you know.
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There was some other things about this, like the the basketball player being bribed to throw the game, and then that ends up being this whole weird story.
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It's interesting too because uh Ben Sealer is like uh appearing to be either a bookie or a guy who's gambling.
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Right.
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And right now we have a different conversation about that because gambling's all over the goddamn place, and we're just supposed to hope that no one's gonna be influenced by this, you know.
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It's uh I I I don't know, it's uh it's like it's strangely still relevant, which is always just the thing that's like uh I'm guessing also because it's like it's based in NYU for like education, the idea that you know, just we still put so much money into like athletics, and I mean what do they get out of it?
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Like uh That's right, yeah, and so he's actually he's
not an idiot for taking the back.
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You know, like uh it just it was an opportunity, an unfair one.
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He's being targeted, yeah, which we later find out, but also everyone knows each other in this town.
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Apparently, New York's like the size of I don't know, can of Teo?
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Yeah, Sullivan Park.
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Yeah, seriously, it's like you know, every other building's a dispensary, or I I don't know what they do there.
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Can you name the three Academy Award winners in this movie?
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Well, probably I'm I'm gonna guess Elijah Wood.
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No.
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He hasn't won anything?
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I know.
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What?
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I know I know what about Robert Downey Jr.
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Okay, uh Robert Downey Jr.
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recently won uh a supporting actor for um uh Oppenheimer.
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Uh Brooke Shields.
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Nope, no Academy won anything.
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Uh
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The most random people that are in this movie turned out to get both of the so two of them best supporting, one of them has a best uh like male lead.
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I am I am bamboozled.
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I had no idea.
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I wouldn't have guessed it either, but fucking Jared Leto has an Academy Award for supporting actors for a Dallas Buyers Club.
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That's right.
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In this movie, he's like that bleach blonde fuck boy from Fight Club.
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Yeah.
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It's like he has that same look, and he's he's in this.
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Wait, is Jared Leto the one who shoots the basketball player?
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No, Jared Leto is the professor.
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Oh, that's right.
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He's in the movie for two minutes, two minutes of actual screen time.
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He's the in the credits, he hooks up with Robert Duty Jr.
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and they walk away like they're happy.
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And then six months later.
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It's like for a second, when he was in the classroom, he was like the Michelle Pfeiffer in Dangerous Minds.
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Kind of.
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You know what I'm saying?
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And I was like, wow, this is profound and shit.
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And then he ends up just being just a random like dude, you know?
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Yeah.
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Okay, so but so like uh and then the final one is Michael B.
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Jordan.
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There is a young Michael B.
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Jordan in the city.
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I didn't even notice him.
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He's one of the kids having cereal with Raekwon.
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Oh shoot.
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I didn't even notice him in this.
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His first role.
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So here's the thing: if the director, James Tobak, who um he was the um the white guy who ran the um recording studio, yeah, the one that didn't want them to go, like that's the director.
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Yeah.
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If he wanted to take credit for all three of those dudes' careers, he could probably do it.
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Just be like, I saw it, I knew like I knew those guys were gonna be big, I put them in my movie.
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Y'all thought I was an idiot.
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Yeah, right.
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I I didn't even realize that was Michael B.
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Jordan in this thing.
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Well, and uh like um uh for him, it does start a bunch of child actor stuff.
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Like he he does have uh like you know, he does a lot of TV, and then uh like uh just it he does find his boys in the book.
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So he was in the fruity pebbles scene.
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Yes, it was a box of fruit like Raekwon, like they they like the woo is in there eat your fruity pebbles.
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That is pretty wild.
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And so then you also wonder it's like uh how do you like uh go for like a casting call?
00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:12.319
Because also, the can you imagine the casting call for this movie?
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Did they say no to anyone?
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Probably not, or it's just like everyone who showed up, it's like we're gonna make this movie happen.
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Yeah, but uh, but uh to put that in context, because I just uh said that um uh so uh Proto Baggins, Elijah Wood, Derek Zoolander, uh Ben Stiller, and Cypher from the Matrix, Joe Pantaleano, so Joey Pants, whom I love in for one scene because he has to be the district attorney.
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Yeah, which that's the biggest plot hole.
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Biggest plot hole is that this the the son of the district attorney is like obsessed with the the black dudes is turf.
00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:43.759
Exactly.
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Like, and like you know, just uh you're right, not an acting black, being a criminal because apparently that's what has been sold in the in this like culturally, but uh it's like but no uh Michael Morbius, Iron Man, and Adonis Creed, all of those have act like Oscars.
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That's insane.
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Yo, can I mention one hilarious thing?
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Please, please do.
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Going back to the fruity pebbles.
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Uh power comes out in these like baggy white socks, like walking across the kitchen with his socks.
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I was like, yo, who did the wardrobe and this shit?
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Like they they didn't he probably did.
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He's just like, of course, we're all gonna wear our woo-wear, we're gonna show it up, and people are gonna be like, Where'd it get that?
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And it's like, yo, bro, you had on just some white socks, like, man, that was so funny.
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Okay, so this is uh funny.
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Um uh I I I've watched this movie a little too much because I also watched it with the the director's commentary.
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Yeah, and so the Tobak, when he was talking about um uh when Method Man rolled up and uh like and like it came out for that one just very improvised scene, right?
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Um, because him and power were beefing at the time, because he didn't like woo-ware, he was like, This is cheap, it it like you know, it it lowers our our our value.
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Like, I don't want to cop it, I don't want to wear it, and then like yeah, old dirty bastard being like, I'm making old, you know, old dirty clothes.
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Yeah, just like uh everyone's just like you know, because everyone's diversifying, and power did did good by business-wise, all on that.
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But as soon as like Mathe Man gets out, power fucks off.
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It's just like I'm not gonna talk to him, he's gonna ruin the shit.
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Like the shit.
00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:24.640
So like I uh I I love this little, I don't know, like schisms that are that are forming inside of Wu Tang, but it's also just because success has made them less connected to one another.
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I'm guessing what uh especially when they're in like in the basement in uh in Stanton Island, they're just you know, like uh we have to, you know, we have to work together to get this to come out, and then they all do their solo projects.
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They all you know, I don't know, everyone wants to be a businessman.
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You can't be rapping when you're uh in your 60s.
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It's tough, man.
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You gotta figure that out, you know.
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Method talk about diversifying.
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Like right now, Method Man has definitely been doing a lot of stuff, man.
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You see him like uh taking pictures at uh the Jets games, I think it is.
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Really?
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With the big ass lens, like a sports photographer.
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Okay, that's awesome.
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He has all types of merch and brands and Okay, we're also talking about like um this is a bad movie that Method Man is in.
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Method Man's in a lot of bad movies, yeah.
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But like you cannot hold that against him for anything, man.
00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:15.519
Like, I was I was trying to think, like, if we just list bad movies in, man, like he's definitely in a scary movie.
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He's uh he's definitely in soul plane, like you know, just how high?
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I wouldn't say that's not a bad movie, but it's it's also just it's like obviously he's not the creator of the crop or so, but this might be a dark spot on his history.
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Why the hell was I in that?
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Accidentally in the movie, though.
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I thought it was interesting too when they go to the wall and met the man that says Wu Tang.
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He was like, Wu Tang, you know?
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And I was like, yo, they're not like I didn't know if they were supposed to be Wu Tang in the film, like they were playing similar type characters, right?
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:52.319
But I thought that was interesting that he shouted out the name of the crew.
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:59.759
Well, you know, it's so I I know um like uh Raekwon, they give him a different name and they're like referring to him as something else, but he's very much being himself.
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Yes, definitely.
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:04.400
It's like um also I'm kind of glad that that's the uh that's the case.
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I'm glad they don't have to act like you know other people.
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It it it's it's interesting, they achieve success through hip-hop, but they don't want to continue to do that, or like it if they want to, it's uh it's purely for an artistic type.
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Uh like uh uh let's use like a current example.
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Um uh right now, if uh if you want to have a career in anything else, you start in hip-hop, and this is like a very big white cultural appropriation thing.
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So I'll think um post Malone, Jelly Roll, shoot man kid rock.
00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:33.200
All right, like uh guess what you do?
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:38.160
You start off in hip-hop because it's popular, you make a name for yourself, and then you segue into a country career.
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:39.279
Yeah, exactly.
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:43.680
And and so it's like that is that is culture appropriation, that is using black people.
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:45.519
Well, you that is earned.
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:56.079
Okay, it's it's different when it's a it's it's different when a kid likes something from a different culture, it's a different thing to uh make success off of it and then wildly change because you were never really that.
00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:56.720
Exactly.
00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:57.599
There you go.
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:14.319
Even but even like someone like Kanye West, right, who has admitted, yo, I I I I was never really a backpacker, backpack rapper, but I I embodied that to get this fan base, you know, and then he broke off to do what the things that he would do.
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:21.039
If you were honest, I think he probably wanted uh like he would have been cool actually having like a band like Portiset or something like that.
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:22.720
He could have he would have loved that.
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:27.359
Yeah, like uh he was he would have been the drummer just to do it in NPC, and uh like that's the thing.
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:29.839
Also, I have all my heroes let me down.
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.319
Like it's like Kanye West is a hero of mine.
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:32.880
Wow, okay.
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.839
So like that's it, it is embarrassing to have that.
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:52.480
But like we're if we're gonna make a list of uh of like uh rappers that act now, the biggest one I can think of too is common, because I remember seeing on Chappelle Show Common Sense and Kanye West, and they were uh performing live the food, and I'm suddenly like, oh my god, I love this.
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:53.119
What is this?
00:29:53.200 --> 00:30:00.480
Yes and uh like it's just uh it's like a childhood memory of just like uh-oh, like uh it's kind of like out trying a food, and it's like, well, that's my favorite thing.
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:02.880
Yeah, it's like and it's like it got me hooked.
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:04.640
That was a great performance they put on.
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:15.519
And so I'm just like uh uh it's like when you see your hero that young too, and like it kind of turns out, yeah, just uh like it he really wanted to, you know, I don't know, not even be the star, just not be clowned on.
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:15.839
Yeah, yeah.
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:17.680
It seems everyone did that.
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:29.200
Uh and so the uh it's the reason I know about the the Riz, uh I like the producers uh uh really that uh I don't know the are usually the backbone behind really the especially the your mega groups and stuff like that.
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:34.160
It's it's why it's like if you're looking up anything besides uh you know um controversies in Dr.
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:36.240
Trey's you know Wikipedia, it's like God he's awesome.
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:36.400
Right.
00:30:36.640 --> 00:31:00.640
But uh it's like you know, then then it's like the personal stuff that'd be like nah, but like uh, you know, I I don't know, anytime uh you know I I found out somebody was good or like with a sampler, I'm like, oh
I want to learn about that guy because though they were hard to learn, like uh especially in a time without YouTube or like you know, just uh like you would get a you would get a booklet that told you how to do it, and it I don't know, just uh like it that's not conducive to learning in anything.
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:02.160
Reading the booklet is different.
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:04.880
That's a different, that's a whole different animal than the movie at today.
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:09.039
Akai was made in Japan, so they would just do a very straight uh translation.
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:12.160
They wouldn't try, you know, and like so the buttons didn't say the same thing.
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:14.559
It's an execute, it says enter, you know.
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:19.359
So I yo, the soundtrack on this movie though, pretty dope.
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:20.720
Okay, uh pretty dope.
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:30.799
Pretty dope soundtrack, but it's also um whenever we cut to a um uh like a white thing, they uh a white person's place, let's cut to some classical music playing in the background.
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.440
So it's like these people are so white, they're from the past.
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:34.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:35.359
That's so funny.
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:39.119
And also, it's just like just like the way her family like dresses in the beginning, too.
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:49.920
It's like this this uh this family that they had to sit here for 10 minutes to shoot this thing, and like and it just it uh it probably took longer for them to get into their wardrobe than it did to take to shoot it.
00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:53.599
And uh, like uh you're uh definitely revit the soundtrack though.
00:31:53.759 --> 00:32:01.200
Um here's the thing had this uh uh I don't know, had this movie kind of done better, it probably would have been a better selling aspect of it.
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:10.000
Because um this is a screen gens project and Sony has all the rights that so it would have been Sony like uh distribution, so it would have been everywhere in CD form.
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:13.599
We would just know it's like what's black and white, it's like oh that's a movie exactly.
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:23.200
It's like but the soundtrack's dope, and it's just like so they didn't even bother as soon as they were like this movie's you know difficult to uh to like you know to to deal with I or promote.
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:25.920
It's like how do you promote this honestly?
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:32.720
But it's tough, and especially with like a lot of the younger actors aren't who they are today, right?
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:35.359
They didn't really have that name recognition, you know.
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.319
So I imagine this must have been oh, okay.
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:50.160
We're kind of watching the movie in the background, and here's Inspect the Deck right here, who uh he just dropped an album this year, by the way, um produced by uh someone that I know named P.A.
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:50.640
Dre.
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:53.359
And the album is pretty interesting too, man.
00:32:53.440 --> 00:33:01.279
So it's dope to see like Inspect the Deck in this, and you know, you've asked me to do to you know talk about it, and now like he just dropped an album.
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:04.559
Oh, sticky fingers from Onyx is in the movie.
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:08.160
They got Onyx in here, like at the party, right?
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:09.200
Like, what?
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:11.200
What?
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:17.119
So so also uh just to just talk about like the uh like uh currently they're they're in this club.
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.359
It what's with the Italians?
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:21.440
Yeah, yeah, the mob bosses, right?
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:26.000
Because they they they they came in and they um like they started some shit shit in the restaurant, I guess.
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:31.680
And then like uh like uh uh uh organized crime comes in all shades in this movie, blacks and whites.
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:32.559
So funny.
00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:34.240
And they're buddies too.
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.599
They're like, oh, this is he's like uh power and the mob.
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:38.880
They're like buddies, right?
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:40.319
I bet you have to make connections.
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:42.240
Yeah, it's just like he's just my dude in the hood.
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:42.880
And guess what?
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:50.400
Now he's moving up in the world exactly of the Italians, the uh guy who was like the like maitre D of the restaurant, Scott Conn.
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:55.039
Um, and you shit, you you you probably know him because he acts in a bunch of stuff.
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:58.240
He was in the uh the reboot of Hawaii 5-0 and stuff.
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:01.119
Okay, he was in entourage and a bunch of uh a bunch of crap.
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:08.880
But um, so like he's the next son of James Conn, and in '95, uh he's signed uh like a record deal, and he was in the band called Hooligans.
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:09.440
Wow.
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:12.480
W H O O L I G A S Y.
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:13.679
All right.
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:18.400
Now um in Hooligans is him and The Alchemist.
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:19.119
What?
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:20.880
The Alchemist started as a rapper.
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:22.000
That's his first group.
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:23.119
Yes, the Hooligans.
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:27.280
And so uh him and and con they started as roadies for Cypress Hill and House of Pets.
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:27.840
That's right.
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:31.119
And eventually they're like, these guys are cool and they can, you know, they can rap producerly.
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:39.920
And uh like uh just uh I remember like also uh um around this time it's like Alchemist produces
for like evidence in uh like diluted peoples and stuff like that.
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:41.280
So makes a name for himself.
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:44.079
He also works at like a bunch of like games and stuff.
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:49.840
So like in Grand The Thought of Five, if you get into a car, you can listen to a radio station that is just Alchemist beats.
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:50.800
Wow, man.
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:52.639
Yeah, Alchemist is dope.
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:54.800
He's dope, but that's a crazy connection.
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:59.119
Uh the Alchemist broke ribs and collapsed along when Eminem's tour bus flipped.
00:34:59.440 --> 00:34:59.920
What?
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:06.320
Yeah, apparently they were on tour and like uh they hit some black ice and like uh you you're in the bus and no one's wearing seat belts.
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:15.599
So just every person starts like rolling on the side and stuff, and like something lands on him, and just you know, you'd like uh he uh had to go to the air because he couldn't put any air in it.
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:22.079
Crazy, just just nuts, and now I'm thinking about it, just uh so so uh Scott Conn probably could have been you know the next thing in hip hop.
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:40.079
Instead, he's like, I'm gonna be an actor, and it's fine, you know, just uh um that being said, also uh we were gonna uh list uh like um uh being that like um uh we're saying that for white, say like people that started hip hop, you can choose a different genre to like graduate to.
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:42.480
Yeah, it's a little different for black people, really.
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:45.119
Like uh and so like uh I can say a couple examples.
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:52.400
I would say like uh Beyonce going to country for an album is forgivable because she's kind of you know exhausted her acting career and stuff.
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:53.119
Who is this?
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:54.960
Beyonce, okay, possibly, yeah.
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:59.360
And then for but she is from uh isn't she from uh Dallas?
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:00.000
She is?
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.480
Yeah, so that can be a country connection.
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:05.280
I'm not uh not f sliding against that.
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:07.440
Snoop Dogg also being Snoop Lion for an album.
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:08.800
Snoop Lion is wild.
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:10.079
That was out of pocket, but I think.
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:15.360
It's also it's like, okay, so it's different for it's hard to jump to a you know different genre if you're going through this.
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:17.199
They get a lot of criticism for that.
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:24.000
Well, it's a uh yes, it's like if you're not gonna stick to your roots, then you know you've betrayed everyone who believed in you as uh as your story.
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:34.000
But it's like that for that, I do think the uh it's far more likely if you're uh uh like uh a rapper or something like that, you will graduate to acting instead.
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:39.920
Because it it really it's more consistent, less competitive right now, and also there's no record sales right now.
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:40.320
Right.
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:49.760
So like uh it's it would actually probably be easier to get you know uh a spot on a show than it would be to you know like you know put out an album that would that you would make money from.
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:54.559
Like uh it's like also uh if you have like the best streaming song, you might not make any money off of it.
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:54.880
Yeah.
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:58.079
Well, you know, Nas, for example, right?
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:09.920
Nas, he's diversified his his cat his uh his catalog, you know, he's he has mass appeal, um, he's behind different tech type companies and things like that.
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:15.119
Nas is one of the people who I think has been able to diversify without much criticism.
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:27.920
And uh, you know, some others, uh no names are coming to my mind right now, but to to break off from rap and then go to country is is uh it's uh that's a that's a wild one right there.
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:38.079
Well and also uh is it uh country kind of your uh stripped down uh like uh version of rock, which uh really was stolen also from black people.
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:40.960
So maybe it's not that wild of a joke.
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:52.159
Yeah, no, no, it's it it I I I'm guessing it truly isn't because I'm also I'm thinking it's like they don't want banjos up there, they kind of want to rock out, but there's no there's no uh market for rock music right now, really.
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:59.760
Like uh the market for rock music is classic, and so it's why the Rolling Stones can keep you know touring out there and selling you know tickets for like$50 a pop.
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.719
Like it's you know, it wanna go see Big Jagger do satisfaction, right?
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:13.920
You do whereas I I I don't know if uh like especially with the ticket uh master situation, I don't know if you could actually travel around and have like a regular audience, right?
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:18.480
And so it's like you you actually want to like attract an older audience because they can pay for the tickets.
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:19.280
There we go.
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:20.320
They got the budget.
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:23.440
Also, they're you know, they're probably not working uh you know the next morning.
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:28.880
Uh like uh it's there's the thing, as soon as it became 30, suddenly I'm like, oh man, I can stay up till that late.
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:29.840
Yeah, exactly.
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.519
I'm trying to be home by 10, bro.
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:35.920
I have things to do in the morning, just to eat, yeah.
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:40.639
So uh uh let's get down to
actually like a a little bit of rating uh on this movie, right?
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:46.800
So like uh I I do a one to ten rating, and my my thing is it's not whether or not this is a good movie or a bad movie.
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:50.159
Okay, it's more of like one is I'm never gonna watch it again.
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:59.280
And ten means I'm either gonna watch it or and so like uh there's degrees to it, but like uh am I gonna watch this again or am I gonna try to show it to somebody?
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:05.280
Is there like uh culturally will this be relevant in any way that like I can I can see damn in the future?
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:12.559
Because it is the weirdest movie, and like uh if if you bring it up in a conversation, no one's gonna know what you're talking about.
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:16.000
And nobody that would be a weird reference, you know.
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:24.239
Uh I would probably say I would probably so zero is like I would never watch it again, or one's like I would never watch it again.
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.960
I'd probably be like, I'd probably hit it with a solid like three.
00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:31.599
I'd probably do like a three.
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:36.000
Like, if I was teaching a class on diversity, shoot.
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:38.800
This might actually I might show a clip.
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:39.199
Uh-huh.
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:40.639
Not the whole thing.
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:41.679
You know what I mean?
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:47.039
Like, I would show a clip, like, so we can talk about some of these ideas, you know?
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:52.880
Um sociology class, uh, a little clip of it, right?
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:57.039
Um, but am I gonna be like, you know what I really want to see again?
00:39:57.280 --> 00:39:57.840
Probably not.
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:11.119
Probably I'm not gonna be like, out of all the movies in the world we could watch, this one probably will not come to mind unless I'm with a particular group of people and I'm like, yo, y'all wanna see something really weird?
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:14.000
I got this film, you know.
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:16.559
My guy, my guy Evan shared with me.
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:20.239
You never heard of this shit before, you know?
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:21.119
And guess what?
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:23.519
Ben Stiller's in it with Rae Kwan.
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:25.360
You know?
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:27.679
Okay, um, uh, here's the thing.
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:32.800
We are watching uh having the movie just rolling behind us, and uh we we did just uh have the murder go on.
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:41.119
And it's the strangest thing where I can uh say I can't give advice to tall black men, but my thing is if a guy has a gun out of you, don't slowly amble towards them.
00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:41.840
Yeah, right.
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:49.039
Just like making yourself target actually, just you know especially a sketchy little
white dude with a gun with a silencer on it, you know.
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:52.800
Which is strange, like you know, just it doesn't seem to be tweaking, but he just can't stand straight.
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:57.599
You know, just uh like that character is just uh a walking contradiction, you know.
00:40:58.239 --> 00:40:58.880
Yeah, for sure.
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:10.320
The the guy that was like, I got arrested, you know, and he's like the basketball player, because he was, you know, he threw the game, he got caught gambling, or not gambling, but uh selling the game, right?
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:11.360
Or throwing the game.
00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:14.559
And he's like, I got arrested, but like he didn't really get arrested.
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:14.960
Uh uh.
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:17.920
And he just Ben Stiller was just like, I'm a cop.
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:19.599
Yeah, you're arrested, you know.
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:24.320
But he didn't go to no police station, didn't get booked, didn't have to get, you know, look at that county.
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:30.079
Nothing, you know, and all of a sudden he's like, you know, gonna throw his buddy under the bus.
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:30.960
You know what I mean?
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:33.199
So the all the women are taller than the men in this.
00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:33.760
It's crazy.
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:34.559
That's true.
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:36.079
That's another trend in the film.
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:39.920
But how did Ben Stiller I'm calling him Ben Stiller?
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:45.039
Like now he's date, like he was turns out he was dating it's Claudia Schiffer, isn't it?
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:45.840
Yes!
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:47.039
Oh my gosh.
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:53.840
So she is the only one who needed uh like her lines to be written out because she could not improvise.
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:54.400
Wow.
00:41:54.960 --> 00:42:03.519
It's also like for her, she's usually sitting down, like, you know, writing a dissertation and like you know, complaining that you know uh her boyfriend should be more assertive, yeah.
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:06.079
And then she's manipulating, you know, Ray Kwan.
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:11.920
And I don't know, now you have uh uh Ben Stiller who's pretty damn good looking in this, too, man.
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:12.719
He's just so young.
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:14.000
Ben Stiller, yeah, man.
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:18.800
Look at him with his black shades on, looking like he's not especially as director.
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:20.559
How doesn't he have an Academy Award or something?
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:23.760
You know, like Ben Stiller needs an Oscar for something.
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.639
He made the cable guy a couple years before this, all right?
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:39.039
That as a director, man, like uh just uh But I can't, but like, even though he was kind of trying to play like a semi-serious role, it's a really funny
role that he played.
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:43.280
Like some of his lines and stuff, like the part where he was like, uh, I got the money.
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:45.599
It's where's it out?
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:46.639
You know, like where's the money?
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:49.119
He doesn't it's in my underwear.
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:50.639
He said, Well, give me the money.
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:55.199
He's like, Well, well, come to the bathroom, and and you know, let's go to the bathroom, I'll give you the money there.
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:57.760
Like, that was the most hilarious scene.
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.880
I'm probably right around the like three, four, two.
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:02.320
It's just like uh here's the thing.
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:04.400
Um, it it's good that I watched this.
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:11.119
I remember um catching a part of this on VH1 back in the day, and back in the day, meaning like, you know, oh six or something like that.
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:14.000
And uh just back when there was music on that.
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:17.679
And you know, just uh like uh and so I remember like, what the hell is this movie?
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:22.960
And I I I didn't remember like you know, I hadn't like you know like you know pursued it or anything.
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:30.159
Yeah, and then because of this show, because I'm to like you know, kind of in a completionist mood and you just you know listen to anything, this was the hardest one to track down.
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:43.679
Wow, like um uh it it also uh I talked about this movie's orange, but like uh um this is the way it looked like in theaters, and like uh the the uh I I'm I was like worried when I sent you the version of it because it was like, man, this looks horrible.
00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:45.119
And then like I actually watch it.
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:46.079
No, it looks the same.
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:46.639
Yeah, yeah.
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:48.079
That's crazy.
00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:51.280
You know, man, there's so much to say about this.
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:57.519
That there's another thing, like at first I thought, wow, they're really stereotyping a lot of folks.
00:43:57.679 --> 00:43:59.599
Like they stereotype like the one.
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:05.760
Be black, white kids, you know, like they stereotyped the rappers quite a bit.
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:11.519
Maybe, maybe, you know, they made them like thugs and they're pulling out guns on people and stuff, right?
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:16.800
But then at the same time, there was some breaking of stereotypes as well.
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:29.760
You know, like they had the journalist for I forgot what magazine it was, but black journalist from this magazine that was talking to the DA, trying to get like a conversation with the DA or something like that.
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:31.760
Interrupting him during lunch and that was a good one.
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:33.119
Well, yeah, during lunch, right?
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:59.840
And then you had um uh there was some you had the basketball player who you would think was gonna make the right choice and not sell his soul to the devil, so to speak, but then he does sell his soul to the devil, you know, ends up getting shot by a little white boy, you know, like that there was some, I I felt like they were trying to like bend some of the stereotypes a little bit.
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:03.920
So he was the one really with the opportunity to do the right thing.
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:04.639
Exactly.
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:12.480
And it's also um in every story, it's like uh character has to deny like uh uh the adventure before deciding to go on it, you know.
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:13.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:14.960
And so it's like he kind of did that, you know.
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:16.639
It's like it's like, no, I'm not gonna like do it.
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:18.239
And then the second time it's yeah, I'll take the money.
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:19.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:23.920
I talked to my woman, she said I should make a decision, and it's like, and then it's like, oh, bad decision.
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:27.280
Yeah, just it's like kind of like the point of no return.
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:36.880
Um, like when you're talking about like the climax of a film or something, and it's like from this point on, things will never be the same, you know, and like so.
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:44.320
When he took that money, you know, he he could have adverted all of the tragedy, but then the film would not have been as weird as it was.
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:48.880
You know, he almost needed to do that so that all these things could unfold the way they did.
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:57.519
If one thing about this movie, you probably could not have told if you predicted like five minutes into it where this is going, you probably are not gonna get it.
00:45:57.840 --> 00:45:59.119
No, yeah, that's one thing.
00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:00.960
It is devoid of anything traditional, right?
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:04.639
Yeah, you cannot predict a lot of this stuff in this film, you know?
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:17.679
Okay, also um uh the very, very, very strange um uh international threesome in the very beginning against a tree, which I I in the park, in the in broad daylight.
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:23.679
In the freaking park, and it's like uh you're kind of like you're you're kind of shocked because you're like, does the movie look like this?
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:36.639
It's like something wrong with my TV, and then it's like um uh a very strange dry humping type thing, as like, you know, and like uh just a weird kissing, as one dude's just off, like, you know, I guess standing guard.
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:37.039
I don't know.
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:37.599
Yeah, yeah.
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:46.480
But uh that originally was supposed to be much
longer, and uh like uh originally when this is uh was rated, it was rated NC17.
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:46.960
Wow.
00:46:47.360 --> 00:47:01.280
So there's a creepier aspect to it where um uh Bia Phillips, the uh like uh the I guess our main white lady protagonist, yes, um she uh like uh uh she's 19 when they're shooting this.
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:01.599
Okay.
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:04.480
But she's portraying someone who's probably younger because they're happy.
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:05.599
Yeah, like high school or something.
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:06.719
And so there's like an element.
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:19.920
Yes, yeah, and also like uh believably, you know, it's like uh that girl probably will stay at that age for another like you know 10 years before you know just uh anything happens to her unless she has a horrible like you know, just drug problem.
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:20.159
Right.
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:24.320
So like that was the only reason that this would have actually been kind of a hard R.
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:31.360
There's just like uh um some foul language in it, and like um even the uh the the gunshot, it's like uh uh uh you hear it, you don't really see it.
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:33.199
There's no barely see some blood.
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:40.079
If anything, what's kind of refreshing about watching a movie that's made around now is like it's not loaded with a bunch of bullshit visual effects, you know.
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:40.880
That's right.
00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:41.599
That's true.
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:51.599
Uh all these were actually shot on location, which is I say it's like um uh it looks bad despite being shot on location, but just a little bit of nipple action here.
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:52.400
Yeah, no, you can't.
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:59.039
You know what's crazy though too is um the most nudity was with the the DA son when he's like you know sleeping with those two ladies.
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:00.000
Yes, exactly.
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:02.159
That that is he's in a rap video.
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:06.559
Yeah, you know, it's just I don't I a white boy and two black women right there.
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:06.960
Yeah.
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:10.079
Oh Oreo or no, he isn't Oreo.
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:16.239
I was literally at I was watching this thinking, you know what, I'm gonna watch this at a coffee shop, right?
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:21.440
I swear, and I have I have my headphones on, like I'm trying to, I'm trying to zone in.
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:23.920
I'm like, man, I gotta lock in, I gotta watch this.
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:29.039
First scene, you know, that you mentioned, you know, the these women, the threesome scene.
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:31.440
I think it's on my laptop, huh?
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:32.719
I think it's actually a foursome.
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:33.920
I think the tree is involved.
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:38.800
You know, it's like it's it's not consensual, but the tree has been pitched.
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:43.840
You know, yeah, and I'm watching and I'm like, holy shit, what did that what did what did that even get me into?
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:44.400
You know what I mean?
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:49.760
And I'm watching this and people are walking by me and I'm like, oh shit, fast forward.
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:56.559
You know, I had to skip through that because I was like, oh my god, I'm watching a porn in the coffee shop, like in public.
00:48:56.880 --> 00:49:05.039
And then um I was like, oh my god, I gotta, I gotta watch this on my cell phone or something, or like just so I fast-forwarded that part a little bit.
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:09.440
Here's the thing, it'd be way worse if somebody's like, hey, are you watching black and white?
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:10.960
What the fuck is wrong with you?
00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:12.000
Exactly.
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:13.599
Watch porn like a regular person.
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:16.719
It's like, you know, just am I supposed to jack it to this?
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:24.159
And some friends, like, while I'm there, they came up to me, you know, and I'm here with my headphones like this, watching, and they're like, yo, what are you doing?
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:25.920
You know, I'm like, yo, I gotta study up, man.
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:26.960
I'm getting ready.
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:28.320
I gotta watch this movie.
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:29.440
And what movie is it?
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:30.800
Oh, it's called Black and White.
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:32.960
You've probably never heard of it, you know.
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:36.320
Um, it has Method Man and uh Elijah Wood.
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:39.760
Like it it's it it's it's so funny.
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:41.440
Two years, and uh what do you call it?
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:45.360
Elijah Wood will be in New Zealand, uh, you know, shooting three movies that will change his life forever.
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:48.960
Yeah, however, it it it also probably typecasts him in in stuff, you know.
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:51.920
Yeah, he's probably infantilized for his whole life.
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:58.159
Well, and and right now he's kind of having a uh like a renaissance where he's playing the creepiest characters he can possibly be.
00:49:58.239 --> 00:49:58.400
Yeah.
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:05.119
In the new Toxic Avenger, he plays like a uh I don't know, like a a hunchback who has like a uh a punk band.
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:05.920
It's very interesting.
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:06.400
Wow.
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:08.559
But uh wait, he played the Toxic Avenger?
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:10.880
No, um The Toxic Avenger is played by Peter Dinklage.
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:13.920
Oh he is just a creepy little guy.
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:14.960
Wow, okay.
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:15.920
I gotta see this then.
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:16.159
Okay.
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:17.519
Oh, uh it was pretty good.
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:21.199
It was on the shelf for several years because uh it couldn't pass a uh a rating.
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:23.199
It would just uh they'd be like, it has to be X.
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:24.960
This is messed up.
00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:27.840
Yeah, and uh like uh so uh it finally came out.
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:29.360
Maybe you could watch on Hulu or something.
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:33.840
It's just uh it I don't know, I would uh suggest people watch that.
00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:35.199
Maybe not watch black and white.
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:42.639
But I also have a feeling there are people out there that watch this when it came out and they're like, God, is that movie just like does it exist?
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:49.920
You know, just um there's this uh mini Ripperton song um called Inside Uh My Love.
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:53.280
And uh it just uh I I I I had heard it when I was a child.
00:50:53.360 --> 00:51:02.000
I was like, that can't be a real song because it's the most innuendo-y thing of all time, you know, just uh and it's just like uh and then one day I heard it, I was like, oh no.
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:05.360
And it's like that's that wasn't my imagination, that was real.
00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:21.360
And so like uh I'm I'm certain somebody has like just a traumatic memory of watching this, and then like could never find it again because I I I do think this is a this movie, it's kind of like the and I felt like when I made you watch it or uh sent it on to you and suggested it, it's it's like the the ring.
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:24.000
Remember the the the the videotape that kills you?
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:26.400
Yes, you know, it's like you put it in, the girl comes out of the TV.
00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:27.599
Yes, this is like that.
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:28.000
Yes.
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:29.280
I what is it?
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:39.519
They don't sometimes like uh modern words give us something that we could actually like use well and uh crap, um explosive diarrhea parasite.
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:40.000
There we go.
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:45.599
It's like that might be perfectly used to describe this film, and it just did explosive diarrhea.
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:54.320
I mean, and I didn't know we needed it, but you know, it just uh it it thank you so much for watching this damn movie, and also uh like uh helping me out with this episode.
00:51:54.559 --> 00:52:07.920
No, of course, it made it significantly easier than just you know, like it would have been so much uh what we say, Wu Tang history, and I'm I just uh not the type of person that can that can uh pull that out on like one episode for a podcast.
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:10.320
Man, this was this is really fun, you know.
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:20.639
Um I I didn't know that it was improvise, and that kind of makes me want to like give it some more points, maybe because there was some dialogue that was really entertaining.
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:23.440
I thought Rayquan was pretty good in the film, you know.
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:27.760
Well, and so it it's cast we can say it is cast well, yeah.
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:32.880
And so like uh maybe maybe these people aren't aren't doing their best because they don't have the best material to be working with, right?
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:35.679
It's like what are we there's like they were shooting in the dark almost, you know?
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:37.199
And it's it's almost a shortcut.
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:40.880
It's like you know, we're gonna cast Rayquan, and it's like, was he gonna be a tough dude?
00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:41.679
What do you think?
00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:44.320
You know, it's like is he gonna be the coolest guy ever?
00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:50.079
Yeah, and I just uh like I so I I I don't know, you you can give credit for for a lot of this movie.
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:51.280
Like funny, man.
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:52.559
Well, thanks for having me, bro.
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:53.760
Also, it's an exercise.
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:59.760
It would be fun to be like, you know, you you collect this amount of people, and it's like, okay, it doesn't matter in two weeks, we're done shooting.
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:00.639
Yeah, right.
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:02.239
Whatever happens, yeah.
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:06.159
No, it's like you can't screw this up, but also I don't think like I think the ceiling is pretty low.
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:10.880
So, you know, just uh like that thank you so much for for help helping me out on this.
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:13.199
The next time I promise I'll have you on a better movie, all right?
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:15.039
Yeah, I look forward to it, man.
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:15.760
Let me know.
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:26.320
Yo, but if you're somebody who is like a Wu Tang fanatic and you're trying to like consume and find things that they've been a part of, this is one you probably should want to check out.
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:32.639
Just just just for the sake of knowing that you saw these cats and this random movie, you know, for sure.
00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:36.000
You'd just think maybe afterwards watch Ghost Dog Way of the samurai.
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:40.960
Because uh like even the Rizza has like a little cameo performance where he comes in as a samurai.
00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:41.199
Yeah.
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:44.400
It's like that's why I say sometimes the Rizza's kind of a nerd.
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:46.639
It's like it's like he's definitely a nerd, man.
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:47.679
He gotta be.
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:49.039
He gotta be, man.
00:53:49.119 --> 00:54:01.039
I I've been I've been a huge fan of the Wu forever, and I know we're on our way out, but um, sometimes when I see the RISA today and I see some of his, you know, all due respect to the abbot, like some of his outfits and shit.
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:03.599
I'm like, this guy is a nerd for sure.
00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:05.360
He's still a nerd, you know what I mean?
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:08.079
A brilliant nerd, but yeah, man, love the RISA.
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:13.119
At some point, your success allows you to be, you know, uh eccentric in that level.
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:14.000
So exactly.
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:15.519
Like he's earned it definitely.
00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:17.760
Rob, thank you so much for joining me.
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:19.599
Everyone has been screaming the RISA.
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:21.360
Yeah, there we go, man.
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:42.719
If you'd like to hear more from Rob or need a lesson in song composition, I cannot suggest checking out Rap Seminar enough.
00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:50.480
The man is an educator, artist, activist, aggressive inline skater, and he did not need to do this, so I wanted to thank him.
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:54.960
One final word of business I would like to introduce the concept of Londoning.
00:54:55.760 --> 00:55:02.079
This isn't official industry terminology, it's a phenomenon in Hollywood like the El Nino of casting.
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:07.920
When actors choose multiple projects in the same year together, the namesake is for my favorite example.
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:14.480
In 2004, Chris Evans, Jason Statham, and Jessica Beale shoot the action flick Cellular.
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:17.840
And the cocaine bathroom drama London.
00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:26.800
Scott Kahn and William Lee Scott are in black and white, and they are both in Giovanni Borubisi's crew and gone in 60 seconds.
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:30.159
Shot in 1999, released in 2000.
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:38.639
For anyone interested, I do have to say, during my uh interview, I noticed my speech impediment was incredibly prevalent.
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:45.679
I think far faster than I can speak, especially when I'm excited, and I had a great time talking about the strange movie with my friend.
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:52.239
The next episode is Time Code, and it's also a Londoning situation, but you need to wait a week for that.
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:53.840
So hit the trailer.
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:55.920
I haven't had that before.
00:55:56.400 --> 00:55:57.519
I'm sorry, I'm late.
00:55:58.000 --> 00:55:59.280
You're a fool.
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:00.480
That's it.
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:01.519
That's the card.
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:06.719
Otherwise, it's a professional.
00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:27.920
Technology has arrived.
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:32.079
Digital video has arrived.
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:40.559
For the first time a film shot in real time, it's time to move forward.
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My name is Evan Hughes, and thank you for listening to Screen Generation.