Triple Feature: Shocker/Vampire in Brooklyn/My Soul To Take의 전체 녹취록

00:04:33.939 --> 00:04:36.959 think you divided it into two shows. These were the 71 00:04:36.980 --> 00:04:38.319 good ones. These were the bad ones. 72 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:40.399 Some of my favorite shows, yeah. 73 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:43.290 And then were you– I don't remember if it was 74 00:04:43.629 --> 00:04:45.149 Robert and Ben or if it was Robert, you, and 75 00:04:45.189 --> 00:04:49.569 Ben again that was on for when Wes Craven died. 76 00:04:50.709 --> 00:04:52.370 There was a memorial show. Do you remember? 77 00:04:52.750 --> 00:04:56.269 I don't think I was on for that one. I 78 00:04:56.350 --> 00:04:58.129 might have still been homeless at the time, come to 79 00:04:58.170 --> 00:04:58.550 think of it. 80 00:04:59.149 --> 00:05:04.990 Okay. So, I don't, you know, I've seen most, if 81 00:05:05.029 --> 00:05:06.550 not all, of the Nightmare on Elm Street movies. I 82 00:05:06.569 --> 00:05:08.610 don't think I saw the recent one that you used. 83 00:05:08.629 --> 00:05:10.769 To do a whole bit about. 84 00:05:10.790 --> 00:05:11.350 Oh, God. 85 00:05:11.850 --> 00:05:12.009 Yeah. 86 00:05:12.529 --> 00:05:14.149 So, I've seen New Nightmare. I think I've seen all 87 00:05:14.170 --> 00:05:17.250 the original Nightmare on Elm Street at one point or another. 88 00:05:17.709 --> 00:05:19.829 I know I've seen all the Screams. I've reviewed half 89 00:05:19.850 --> 00:05:21.310 of them on here. No, I've reviewed all of them 90 00:05:21.379 --> 00:05:23.379 on here now that I think about it. But I 91 00:05:23.420 --> 00:05:26.629 wasn't as familiar with the rest of Don't West of. 92 00:05:26.649 --> 00:05:29.829 This is going to be a rough show. The rest 93 00:05:29.850 --> 00:05:36.649 of Wes Craven's filmography. Part of the reason why I 94 00:05:36.709 --> 00:05:39.829 wanted to do this, because when you say Wes Craven, 95 00:05:39.889 --> 00:05:42.189 he's synonymous with The Nightmare on Elm Street and Scream. 96 00:05:42.209 --> 00:05:44.939 That's what everyone knows him for. Of course. He's synonymous 97 00:05:44.949 --> 00:05:48.439 with Freddy. Were you on the Everyone Loves a Bad 98 00:05:48.459 --> 00:05:49.000 Guy for Freddy? 99 00:05:50.899 --> 00:05:53.220 I feel like that was so long ago. I feel 100 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:55.259 like I might have been. Right. 101 00:05:55.740 --> 00:05:59.480 Um, either way I wanted to look at like, what 102 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:01.879 else does he do? And I don't want to get 103 00:06:01.899 --> 00:06:04.230 too far into it now, um, because we'll talk about 104 00:06:04.250 --> 00:06:06.310 it as we talk about these movies, but I wanted 105 00:06:06.350 --> 00:06:10.029 to look at shocker because I remember, um, going to 106 00:06:10.050 --> 00:06:12.790 the video store as a kid, seeing that one and 107 00:06:13.069 --> 00:06:15.689 thinking it looked interesting, but like, I wasn't big into 108 00:06:15.750 --> 00:06:18.480 renting horror movies at the time. So like there were 109 00:06:18.500 --> 00:06:23.160 just certain box covers that I always found fascinating and 110 00:06:23.470 --> 00:06:25.589 but never had the courage to actually sit down and 111 00:06:25.670 --> 00:06:26.449 watch or rent. 112 00:06:26.670 --> 00:06:27.629 Yeah, I know what you mean. 113 00:06:29.250 --> 00:06:33.569 Ghoulies was another one. They were in every video store. 114 00:06:33.589 --> 00:06:38.790 Always prominently displayed in the horror section. And then Vampire 115 00:06:38.810 --> 00:06:41.949 in Brooklyn, I knew about, but it's weird because I 116 00:06:41.970 --> 00:06:44.209 was a huge Eddie Murphy fan as a kid, but 117 00:06:44.310 --> 00:06:49.189 I was a Beverly Hills cop Eddie Murphy fan. I 118 00:06:49.230 --> 00:06:53.930 wasn't a golden child or Vampire in Brooklyn fan. Eddie Murphy. 119 00:06:55.689 --> 00:06:59.870 And Vampire in Brooklyn just sounds like such a generic 120 00:07:01.490 --> 00:07:06.879 it's exactly what it says on the tin title. Yeah. 121 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:10.139 It's like a movie title that you would see in 122 00:07:10.180 --> 00:07:11.839 a spoof of horror movies. 123 00:07:12.459 --> 00:07:15.019 Honestly, if I didn't, when I was doing the research 124 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:18.250 for this podcast tonight, I was like, I want to 125 00:07:18.269 --> 00:07:20.269 do Wes Craven. We haven't done him yet. We did 126 00:07:20.329 --> 00:07:23.740 Tim Burton, I think it was last year. I want 127 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:25.899 to do another horror director for Halloween like I do 128 00:07:25.939 --> 00:07:29.660 every year. What else has Wes Craven done? Not in 129 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:31.500 a million years did I realize that he did Vampire 130 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:31.939 in Brooklyn. 131 00:07:32.459 --> 00:07:33.399 I had no idea. 132 00:07:33.420 --> 00:07:36.180 Yeah. I threw this on here because, one, I was 133 00:07:36.220 --> 00:07:38.019 a huge Eddie Murphy fan. And I'm like, well, okay, 134 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:41.259 this completes the Eddie Murphy set from the 1980s and 135 00:07:41.620 --> 00:07:44.879 90s for me. But also, like, I can't believe Wes 136 00:07:44.899 --> 00:07:47.550 Craven directed this. What an oddball movie. And then I 137 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:49.480 have never– You got. 138 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:52.670 To admit, that erudite little white man made one hell 139 00:07:52.689 --> 00:07:53.629 of a black movie. 140 00:07:53.990 --> 00:07:57.310 He sure did. Yeah, we'll talk about that. And then lastly, 141 00:07:57.329 --> 00:07:59.089 I had no idea what my soul to take was. 142 00:07:59.149 --> 00:08:01.949 It was on the list. Neither did I. Okay, you'd 143 00:08:01.990 --> 00:08:02.449 never seen it? 144 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:07.680 I had never seen it. I think maybe at one 145 00:08:07.740 --> 00:08:10.600 point a long time ago I had heard of it, 146 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.240 but I damn sure had no idea that Wes Craven 147 00:08:13.279 -->

00:08:15.199 made it, and I had no idea what it was about. 148 00:08:15.230 --> 00:08:18.110 Okay, so these are all first watches for you? Same 149 00:08:18.129 --> 00:08:18.290 as me? 150 00:08:20.389 --> 00:08:22.319 Shocker was not a first watch. It was just the 151 00:08:22.339 --> 00:08:25.259 first watch in many years. I needed to refresh myself. 152 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.420 Vampire in Brooklyn was one that I had always told 153 00:08:28.459 --> 00:08:31.019 myself I wanted to eventually get around to, but never had. 154 00:08:31.110 --> 00:08:34.850 So that was a real treat. And My Soul to Take, 155 00:08:35.649 --> 00:08:38.350 bug fuck nanners as it could be at times, was 156 00:08:38.809 --> 00:08:40.509 kind of an eye opener. There was a lot that 157 00:08:40.549 --> 00:08:41.299 I enjoyed about it. 158 00:08:41.940 --> 00:08:46.889 Let's get into Shocker. Shocker is a 1989 American supernatural 159 00:08:46.929 --> 00:08:51.799 slasher film written and directed by Wes Craven, starring Michael Murphy, 160 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:55.659 Peter Berg, a young Peter Berg, Cammie Cooper, and Mitch Pelleggi. 161 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:59.379 The film was released by Universal on October 27th, 1989 162 00:08:59.379 --> 00:09:03.710 and grossed $ 16. 6 million. It does not list a budget. 163 00:09:04.629 --> 00:09:09.210 So the plot of this thing goes, after being executed 164 00:09:09.250 --> 00:09:11.230 in the electric chair an hour and a half into 165 00:09:11.250 --> 00:09:16.049 the movie, Sadistic serial killer Horace Pinker, let's just call 166 00:09:16.070 --> 00:09:21.580 him racist Nazi is his name, honky white man, returns 167 00:09:21.659 --> 00:09:24.840 as a supernatural force capable of traveling through electricity and 168 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:29.440 possessing human bodies. Jonathan Parker, the young man responsible for 169 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:32.779 his capture, must confront the seemingly unstoppable murderer as their 170 00:09:33.259 --> 00:09:36.299 deadly rivalry transcends the boundaries of reality. All right, I 171 00:09:36.340 --> 00:09:40.960 will start with you, Sean. What did you think of Shocker? Oh, boy. 172 00:09:44.539 --> 00:09:52.250 Yeah. You're talking about a movie that, and again, as 173 00:09:52.309 --> 00:09:54.350 I always point out, I'm past the days where I 174 00:09:54.409 --> 00:09:57.629 go off on too angry, overly thought out snarky rants. 175 00:09:57.669 --> 00:09:59.690 So just here's straightforward. 176 00:09:59.210 --> 00:09:59.950 What I thought about it. 177 00:10:02.149 --> 00:10:04.809 As you said, it takes forever to start living up 178 00:10:04.870 --> 00:10:10.259 to its gimmick. And the gimmick is very clear right 179 00:10:10.299 --> 00:10:11.879 there on the poster. 180 00:10:12.379 --> 00:10:12.600 Right. 181 00:10:12.940 --> 00:10:16.139 You have a pretty good idea what to expect. And 182 00:10:16.179 --> 00:10:19.929 it really tests... how much of its patience it can 183 00:10:20.230 --> 00:10:25.190 sap before you just kind of walk away and go 184 00:10:25.230 --> 00:10:28.580 watch nightmare on Elm street for the 400,000th time. 185 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:29.840 Yeah. 186 00:10:29.940 --> 00:10:32.860 We use the phrase, get the kids to the mall. Well, 187 00:10:33.139 --> 00:10:35.879 this one takes the long fucking way to the mall. 188 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:42.789 This one, Trevor's walk. This isn't get the kids to 189 00:10:42.830 --> 00:10:45.730 the mall. This is let's never speak of the shortcut again. Um, 190 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:55.500 and when it finally gets around to it it ends 191 00:10:55.639 --> 00:11:00.360 up just kind of being another possession movie yeah um 192 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:04.820 with what i thought the absolute funniest fucking part of 193 00:11:04.899 --> 00:11:08.850 it is despite the fact that horace pinker is you 194 00:11:09.529 --> 00:11:12.929 know infecting all of these bodies he still can't get 195 00:11:13.009 --> 00:11:17.190 rid of that fucking limp all the cosmic power to 196 00:11:17.230 --> 00:11:20.879 make him a being of pure electricity capable of possessing 197 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:24.139 human bodies and he still has that goddamn club foot 198 00:11:24.179 --> 00:11:27.620 that he's dragging that he's dragging around cause his baby 199 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:29.779 boy shot him in the knee way back in the 200 00:11:29.820 --> 00:11:38.110 day um which I don't know I question how important 201 00:11:38.149 --> 00:11:41.710 that little twist remains to the rest of the movie 202 00:11:43.289 --> 00:11:49.759 as in not very much at all special effects wise 203 00:11:49.820 --> 00:11:53.710 expect the very best of 90s direct to video throughout 204 00:11:56.830 --> 00:12:01.129 somehow Wes is making this movie for Universal and yet 205 00:12:02.269 --> 00:12:04.590 the special effects in the early days with New Line 206 00:12:04.629 --> 00:12:11.139 were better do not go into this expecting to see 207 00:12:11.299 --> 00:12:16.460 another Freddy pressing his frame against a spandex sheet to 208 00:12:16.500 --> 00:12:21.000 create the fact that he's bending a wall. There's not 209 00:12:21.019 --> 00:12:24.210 going to be anything so dramatic. It's more like all 210 00:12:24.230 --> 00:12:26.610 of it is that last fucking shot with the sex 211 00:12:27.490 --> 00:12:31.769 doll being dragged through the front door window. That's about 212 00:12:31.809 --> 00:12:33.070 what you can expect. 213 00:12:33.090 --> 00:12:35.019 It's my favorite part of Nightmare on Elm Street. 214 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:41.279 I mean... Oh no! But I think its greatest sin 215 00:12:41.500 --> 00:12:46.779 is the fact that narratively... We are seeing what would 216 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:54.710 have happened if Wes would have taken his world-building and 217 00:12:55.009 --> 00:12:57.330 all of his character development and everything and all of 218 00:12:57.370 --> 00:13:01.049

his exposition and just spent the first fucking half of 219 00:13:01.149 --> 00:13:05.490 Nightmare on Elm Street just laying it out. Tina doesn't 220 00:13:05.570 --> 00:13:10.240 even get murked until 45 minutes in. That's kind of 221 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:13.990 what this movie does is... Everything has to set up 222 00:13:14.029 --> 00:13:17.960 and show you exactly what led to Horace Pinker becoming 223 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:21.659 such an even more vengeful fuck than he already was. 224 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:24.279 It would be like if they spent the first hour 225 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:28.250 of Scream showing you what happened with Sidney's parents. 226 00:13:29.090 --> 00:13:29.909 Yeah, exactly. 227 00:13:29.929 --> 00:13:33.610 And I didn't remember much. I didn't remember this was 228 00:13:33.649 --> 00:13:37.169 the first half of the movie. So I'm going into 229 00:13:37.210 --> 00:13:40.330 this thinking, okay. It's Wes Craven. He's going to have 230 00:13:40.370 --> 00:13:42.840 the good sense that about the first 15 minutes or 231 00:13:42.899 --> 00:13:45.700 so are just going to be setting up the execution 232 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:49.320 and how his body ends up getting transferred. Let's go. 233 00:13:49.340 --> 00:13:55.159 And nothing's happening, and nothing's happening, and nothing's happening, and oh, 234 00:13:55.220 --> 00:13:58.870 it's another victim. It's Jake and the Fat Man are 235 00:13:58.929 --> 00:14:01.570 caught up in a deadly game of cat and mouse 236 00:14:02.230 --> 00:14:06.929 for the first fucking half of the movie, and Jesus Christ. 237 00:14:07.629 --> 00:14:10.009 Vampire in Brooklyn got right to the point. 238 00:14:10.710 --> 00:14:11.590 Yeah. 239 00:14:13.110 --> 00:14:15.750 My soul to take opened with a frankly kind of 240 00:14:15.909 --> 00:14:20.309 mesmerizing flashback that just kind of had me hooked and 241 00:14:20.370 --> 00:14:25.470 curious right from the get-go. This, I questioned whether I 242 00:14:25.509 --> 00:14:27.049 was even watching the right movie. 243 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:32.940 All right, let me jump in here. I don't hate 244 00:14:32.980 --> 00:14:35.080 this movie. It's poorly paced. 245 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:36.220 Yeah. 246 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:40.480 It's poorly It's poorly structured. And it was the first 247 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:44.200 sign that I'm not sure I really like Wes Craven 248 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.570 as a director. But this also is my age talking. 249 00:14:47.610 --> 00:14:49.929 I'll tell you why. As I get older, this is 250 00:14:49.950 --> 00:14:51.429 going to be fun coming from me, by the way, 251 00:14:51.850 --> 00:14:53.950 because you're going to hear me like a bit of 252 00:14:53.970 --> 00:14:59.769 a hypocrite, but hear me out. I'm just not in 253 00:14:59.929 --> 00:15:06.960 love with coarse behavior anymore. I don't mind cursing if 254 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:12.019 it's used selectively, if it's used repeatedly. But when

it's 255 00:15:12.139 --> 00:15:16.149 every other word and you just seem to be doing 256 00:15:16.169 --> 00:15:20.350 the Kevin Kline thing of you're just cursing just to 257 00:15:20.389 --> 00:15:25.529 curse and everyone's behavior is shitty. One of the things 258 00:15:25.570 --> 00:15:28.259 I noticed watching these three movies and thinking about Scream 259 00:15:28.299 --> 00:15:29.740 and A Nightmare on Elm Street and all those movies 260 00:15:30.340 --> 00:15:35.730 is how much institutional distrust and aggravation Wes Craven has. 261 00:15:36.269 --> 00:15:40.070 Like I, as I was watching these things, the thought, wow, 262 00:15:40.190 --> 00:15:44.610 Wes Craven is the John Waters of horror. Like they 263 00:15:44.669 --> 00:15:47.389 make the same movies and have the same problems. They're 264 00:15:47.409 --> 00:15:51.940 just doing different genres. Like everybody in a Wes Craven, 265 00:15:51.980 --> 00:15:53.899 first of all, everybody in a Wes Craven movie is possessed. 266 00:15:54.539 --> 00:15:59.320 Like he just loves himself some, some devil and demon possessions. Um, 267 00:15:59.539 --> 00:16:01.460 he loves to mess with your dreams. He loves to 268 00:16:01.500 --> 00:16:03.789 mess with the idea of vulnerability. Um, It's in all 269 00:16:03.809 --> 00:16:08.250 of his movies. It's everywhere. And the third thing is, 270 00:16:08.389 --> 00:16:12.769 everybody behaves badly, even the people that aren't the bad guy. Like, 271 00:16:12.850 --> 00:16:15.820 the cops behave badly. Teachers behave badly. Parents behave badly. 272 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:20.580 Everyone's awful to each other. Like, it makes the movie... 273 00:16:20.460 --> 00:16:21.899 And I'm painting with a very wide brush, so if 274 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:24.820 you're going to start, like, picking at different things... No, 275 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:27.279 you've made some points I agree with. This is a 276 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:29.519 very overarching thing over a lot of these movies where 277 00:16:29.570 --> 00:16:31.710 it's kind of more here and less here and, you know, 278 00:16:31.970 --> 00:16:32.490 all over the place. 279 00:16:32.529 --> 00:16:32.629 But. 280 00:16:33.379 --> 00:16:35.559 I noticed it with shocker and I was immediately turned 281 00:16:35.659 --> 00:16:38.460 off because number one, it takes way too long to 282 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:40.750 get to the execution, which is the whole reason we're here. 283 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:44.710 Then the second thing was everybody in the movie, there's 284 00:16:44.750 --> 00:16:47.429 not a likable character in the movie. Like Peter Berg's okay. 285 00:16:47.470 --> 00:16:49.269 And he's about the only one. Everybody else is awful. 286 00:16:49.909 --> 00:16:52.929 Like when, when, when I can't tell the difference in 287 00:16:52.970 --> 00:16:57.590 behavior between the villain and the townsfolk, I'm like, what 288 00:16:57.610 --> 00:16:59.629 are we doing here? And I've watched this happen with 289 00:16:59.690 --> 00:17:01.990 other Wes Craven movies. And I'm like, Can we not 290 00:17:02.029 --> 00:17:04.109 have likable people who I don't want to see die 291 00:17:04.450 --> 00:17:07.400 or at least would care about? So that was a 292 00:17:07.430 --> 00:17:09.720 big issue I had with Shocker. The other thing about 293 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:13.099 it was, and I kept thinking about Patton Oswalt's bit 294 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:16.460 about Jesus' superpowers, where his superpowers don't make a lot 295 00:17:16.500 --> 00:17:18.240 of sense. It seems like a grab bag. He's like, 296 00:17:18.299 --> 00:17:20.619 on the one hand, he has necromancy. On the other hand, 297 00:17:20.660 --> 00:17:26.509 he can make sandwiches appear out of nowhere. 298 00:17:26.529 --> 00:17:28.710 Wait a minute. I got no problem with somebody who 299 00:17:28.730 --> 00:17:29.410 can do both. 300 00:17:30.589 --> 00:17:34.750 Um, so shock. So Horace Pinker is like a movie 301 00:17:34.789 --> 00:17:37.609 called shocker. I expect to like have a, have a 302 00:17:37.710 --> 00:17:41.309 lot of electricity stuff happening. Like I assumed he'd basically 303 00:17:41.329 --> 00:17:44.890 be electro. Like, like he was killed and now he's 304 00:17:44.910 --> 00:17:46.190 like a ghost who shocks you. 305 00:17:46.750 --> 00:17:46.950 Right. 306 00:17:47.470 --> 00:17:51.670 But he's just doing Freddie. Like one of my frustrations 307 00:17:51.690 --> 00:17:54.460 with Wes Craven based on watching shocker and thinking about 308 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:57.640 the rest of his filmography is how he can't get 309 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:00.369 away from the same kind of character. Which is what's 310 00:18:00.390 --> 00:18:02.910 going to make Vampire in Brooklyn my favorite of the three. 311 00:18:03.190 --> 00:18:06.509 Not just the hashtag black folks, but because fucking finally, 312 00:18:06.789 --> 00:18:09.210 we're doing something different than what you've been doing. Like, 313 00:18:09.569 --> 00:18:11.900 to me, it was like, I gotta get away from 314 00:18:11.940 --> 00:18:13.640 A Nightmare on Elm Street. You know, it's all anyone's 315 00:18:13.660 --> 00:18:15.339 going to know me for. So here's what I'll do. 316 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:18.180 It's still A Nightmare on Elm Street, but I'll change 317 00:18:18.259 --> 00:18:21.779 it from a pedophile who invades your dreams to a 318 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:26.490 murderer who possesses bodies. I feel... Come on, Wes. I 319 00:18:26.490 --> 00:18:26.670 feel like. 320 00:18:27.900 --> 00:18:31.400 I feel like Wes Craven's career often has to be 321 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:35.079 divided into three sections. 322 00:18:35.339 --> 00:18:35.579 Okay. 323 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:41.750 You have pre-Nightmare on Elm Street. When he made The 324 00:18:42.410 --> 00:18:47.829 Hills Have Eyes and Last House on the Left. Much grittier, 325 00:18:48.430 --> 00:18:51.299 more real, earthy horror movies.

326 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:51.900 Okay. 327 00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:59.720 And then you have... Nightmare on Elm Street up through 328 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:05.400 probably right before New Nightmare. And that's where you have 329 00:19:05.460 --> 00:19:11.559 this period where Wes wasn't a part of the Nightmare 330 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:14.700 on Elm Street universe anymore with the exception of Dream Warriors. 331 00:19:15.460 --> 00:19:17.160 And he was just kind of trying to find his 332 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:19.519 own way and do his own thing and try some 333 00:19:19.579 --> 00:19:23.839 new things. And then you kind of have from. 334 00:19:26.190 --> 00:19:31.089 Wes Craven's new nightmare onward, which was where I feel 335 00:19:31.470 --> 00:19:35.569 like he came full circle. He got some closure on 336 00:19:35.630 --> 00:19:39.839 Nightmare on Elm Street. And he was able to kind 337 00:19:39.880 --> 00:19:43.109 of fully go forward and give us the rest of 338 00:19:43.109 --> 00:19:47.880 his career, which produced some really strong work. Not all 339 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:48.400 of it, i. 340 00:19:48.539 --> 00:19:51.000 Want to put a lot of it i'm wondering if 341 00:19:51.339 --> 00:19:53.180 shocker and i don't know this for certain i'll look 342 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:55.339 it up after the show is over but i'm wondering 343 00:19:55.400 --> 00:20:01.460 if shocker was an attempt to recreate another iconic uh 344 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:07.450 horror villain and another franchise for universal I'm wondering if, like, hey, 345 00:20:08.069 --> 00:20:09.750 one part of the reason he got funding for Shocker 346 00:20:09.829 --> 00:20:14.420 was Universal was like, give us another Freddy. So Horace 347 00:20:14.460 --> 00:20:17.420 Pinker is an attempt to recreate the Freddy character in 348 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:19.960 a new franchise, and it just didn't do very well. 349 00:20:20.460 --> 00:20:23.440 I feel like he has an autobiography or a memoir 350 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:25.789 that I haven't read, and now I really want to 351 00:20:25.829 --> 00:20:27.369 go back and check it out to see if he 352 00:20:27.990 --> 00:20:33.849 ever kind of remarks on that period between... Leaving Bob 353 00:20:33.910 --> 00:20:38.240 Shea and New Line and Nightmare on Elm Street behind 354 00:20:38.259 --> 00:20:41.240 and returning to kind of, like I said, bring things 355 00:20:41.299 --> 00:20:43.599 full circle with Wes Craven's new Nightmare. 356 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:47.509 When I do my TikTok for tomorrow, after we're done recording, 357 00:20:47.529 --> 00:20:50.369 one of the things I'm going to ask ChatGPT to 358 00:20:50.390 --> 00:20:52.329 look into for me is whether or not I'm right 359 00:20:52.349 --> 00:20:54.390 about that. Last thing I'm going to say about Shocker 360 00:20:54.430 --> 00:20:58.819 and then we'll move on to Vampire in Brooklyn. This 361 00:20:58.859 --> 00:21:02.839 is a mess. There's a germ of a good idea here, 362 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:07.920 but it's a mess. Oh, yeah. And I think this 363 00:21:08.019 --> 00:21:12.059 needed another pass through editing. This needed to be restructured. 364 00:21:12.420 --> 00:21:14.660 We need to get him executed in the first 15 365 00:21:14.660 --> 00:21:17.099 minutes of this movie, not wait an hour into it. 366 00:21:19.250 --> 00:21:21.630 I think Peter Berg is doing... This is young Peter Berg, 367 00:21:21.650 --> 00:21:22.750 and he's going to go on to do so much 368 00:21:22.789 --> 00:21:24.309 more and so much better. So I'm not going to 369 00:21:24.329 --> 00:21:26.150 hold this movie against him. He's doing his level best here. 370 00:21:26.809 --> 00:21:30.609 But the last thing I'll say is I've said this 371 00:21:30.619 --> 00:21:33.150 before about horror movies. At a minimum, they should at 372 00:21:33.190 --> 00:21:36.369 least scare you. They should scare you. They should produce 373 00:21:36.390 --> 00:21:41.849 icky feelings, right? I was bored by Shocker. It committed 374 00:21:41.890 --> 00:21:46.529 probably the most egregious sin a horror movie can. I 375 00:21:46.549 --> 00:21:51.210 was disinterested. At some point, it's funny. I want to 376 00:21:51.250 --> 00:21:53.529 say it was Mutiny. Earlier in the year, I took 377 00:21:53.569 --> 00:21:55.970 my kids to go see Mutiny with Jason Statham. And 378 00:21:56.009 --> 00:21:57.609 it's an action movie, but it's an action movie, it's 379 00:21:57.630 --> 00:21:59.490 a Jason Statham action movie where he, where basically he 380 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:01.920 just runs around killing people. And I said, if you 381 00:22:01.940 --> 00:22:03.579 didn't tell me what genre this is, I would assume 382 00:22:03.619 --> 00:22:07.059 it's a horror movie. Like, the difference between horror and action, essentially, 383 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:10.000 is who is the one killing everybody. Because if it's 384 00:22:10.059 --> 00:22:12.839 the hero, then it's an action movie. If it's the villain, 385 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:15.960 then it's a horror. You know? Like, that seems to 386 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:20.920 be the only difference. Um, and that, and my purpose 387 00:22:20.940 --> 00:22:22.890 of bringing that up is that's kind of how Shocker 388 00:22:22.930 --> 00:22:29.440 left me. Um, this just feels like peter berg and 389 00:22:29.460 --> 00:22:31.700 the guy playing horace pinker who's doing his best i 390 00:22:31.720 --> 00:22:34.740 mean he's got terrible character to work with just kind 391 00:22:34.789 --> 00:22:39.309 of fighting for an hour you know it's like i'm 392 00:22:39.349 --> 00:22:41.190 just gonna keep using and killing people like the most 393 00:22:41.230 --> 00:22:42.670 interesting thing in the movie is when he possesses the 394 00:22:42.690 --> 00:22:45.769 little kid because berg doesn't want to like kill the 395 00:22:45.809 --> 00:22:49.190 kid and so like there's nothing and so he's like 396 00:22:49.450 -->

00:22:50.849 i gotta get you out of the kid but i 397 00:22:50.849 --> 00:22:54.039 don't want to hurt the kid um That was the 398 00:22:54.079 --> 00:22:56.119 most interesting thing in the movie. But I'll give you 399 00:22:56.140 --> 00:22:58.259 the last 50 words and then we'll move on to 400 00:22:58.299 --> 00:23:00.990 Vampire in Brooklyn. Anything else about Shocker you wanted to say? 401 00:23:02.190 --> 00:23:05.789 There's just not a whole lot. Mitch Pelleggi is kind 402 00:23:05.869 --> 00:23:09.569 of like, can I have Michael Rooker? We have Michael 403 00:23:09.630 --> 00:23:15.509 Rooker at home. Michael Rooker at home. And by the 404 00:23:15.549 --> 00:23:20.099 same token, we have Freddy Krueger. We have Freddy Krueger 405 00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:25.369 at home. Freddy Krueger at home is horrifying. Horace fucking 406 00:23:25.450 --> 00:23:33.920 Pinker is that hamburger Eddie Murphy fucking described. His mom 407 00:23:33.940 --> 00:23:36.779 was gonna know every time he asked for McDonald's. 408 00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:41.789 That's right. It's better than McDonald's? Grease all coming down 409 00:23:41.829 --> 00:23:48.450 my hand. Alright. Vampire in Brooklyn is a 1995 American 410 00:23:48.829 --> 00:23:51.890 vampire horror comedy directed by Wes Craven. It stars Eddie 411 00:23:51.910 --> 00:23:55.299 Murphy who produced and wrote with his stepfather Vernon Lynch, 412 00:23:55.339 --> 00:23:59.839 and brother Charles Q. Charlie Murphy. The film co-stars Angela Bassett, 413 00:24:00.299 --> 00:24:06.309 a young Angela Bassett, a less than prestigious Angela Bassett, 414 00:24:07.349 --> 00:24:12.950 Alan Payne, Kadeem Hardison, the infamous John Witherspoon, Zakes Mackay, 415 00:24:13.130 --> 00:24:18.380 and Joanna Cassidy. Murphy also plays an alcoholic preacher, Pauly, 416 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:22.700 and a foul-mouthed Italian-American mobster, Guido. Vampire in Brooklyn was 417 00:24:22.740 --> 00:24:26.089 the final film produced under Eddie Murphy's exclusive contract with Paramount, 418 00:24:26.109 --> 00:24:28.329 which began with 48 Hours and included the Beverly Hills 419 00:24:28.369 --> 00:24:32.630 Cop franchise. Vampire in Brooklyn was released October 27, 1995, 420 00:24:32.630 --> 00:24:35.859 and initially received mostly negative reviews, with critics citing its 421 00:24:35.890 --> 00:24:38.420 uneven mix of horror and comedy. The film struggled at 422 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:40.960 the box office, growing $ 19. 8 million in the U.S., but 423 00:24:41.019 --> 00:24:43.940 earned a total of $ 35 million worldwide against a $ 14 424 00:24:43.660 --> 00:24:46.839 million budget. Over time, it gained a cult following, with 425 00:24:46.900 --> 00:24:50.670 critical revaluation craving Craven's direction, Murphy and Best's performances in Chemistry, 426 00:24:51.269 --> 00:24:55.630 and its blend of horror and comedy. So Maximilian, the 427 00:24:55.670 --> 00:24:58.390 last surviving Caribbean vampire, arrives in Brooklyn searching for a 428 00:24:58.410 --> 00:25:01.269 woman like you do. Eddie Murphy's always coming to the 429 00:25:01.289 --> 00:25:03.509 city to find women. Have you noticed that? Who can 430 00:25:03.569 --> 00:25:07.250 preserve his bloodline. He sets his sights on Rita Vader, 431 00:25:07.789 --> 00:25:14.089 a New York City police detective, unaware of her supernatural heritage. 432 00:25:14.130 --> 00:25:17.089 As Maximilian manipulates those around her, Rita must confront her 433 00:25:17.109 --> 00:25:22.750 identity and resist the increasingly dangerous seduction. I'll start, and 434 00:25:22.769 --> 00:25:27.789 then you can back clean up. I actually really like 435 00:25:27.809 --> 00:25:28.210 this movie. 436 00:25:29.450 --> 00:25:31.079 Oh, yeah, same. 437 00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:34.339 I'm sad this didn't get understood in its time, because 438 00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:38.119 I actually think this is... First of all, especially this 439 00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:41.019 era of Eddie Murphy, where he can be a bit 440 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:42.369 of a clown. He's not doing a lot of drama 441 00:25:42.380 --> 00:25:46.150 at this point. Here, he has to kind of play 442 00:25:46.230 --> 00:25:50.339 menacing and seductive and less comic. He, you know, he 443 00:25:50.380 --> 00:25:54.059 can't rely on his signature laugh. He can't rely on 444 00:25:54.099 --> 00:25:57.579 his like voices that he does. His gay effeminate character 445 00:25:57.619 --> 00:26:00.680 voice is this, is that like all the stuff that 446 00:26:00.700 --> 00:26:03.779 kind of makes him black Robin Williams and the Beverly 447 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:08.279 Hills cop franchise is absent from this movie. He has 448 00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:12.539 to basically be suave and menacing for the entirety of 449 00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:17.549 the picture. I think he's great in this. I, I 450 00:26:17.589 --> 00:26:22.650 think he's really fun. Also, because vampires are typically Eastern European, 451 00:26:22.710 --> 00:26:25.420 that's the kind of vampires we always see. They're always 452 00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:28.980 the European sort. It was nice to see the vampire 453 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:33.279 lore take place someplace else. So the Caribbean vampire was 454 00:26:33.299 --> 00:26:36.609 at least a new thing. It's funny. As I was 455 00:26:36.650 --> 00:26:39.049 watching the movie, I was watching it during my lunch hour, 456 00:26:39.589 --> 00:26:41.930 and one of the characters said something, and I just 457 00:26:41.970 --> 00:26:46.150 kept saying over and over again out loud, fucking voodoo magic, man. 458 00:26:49.029 --> 00:26:53.069 So I like playing... I'm a big fan of New Orleans, 459 00:26:53.130 --> 00:26:56.410 so I like playing with the idea of Caribbean witchdoctory 460 00:26:56.490 --> 00:26:58.170 and vampirism and all that stuff. 461 00:26:58.230 --> 00:27:03.210 And he had a little lore drop in the movie where, 462 00:27:03.789 -->

00:27:07.069 I think it was during the initial car ride, where 463 00:27:07.089 --> 00:27:09.359 he talks about vampires originating in Egypt. 464 00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:15.680 Right. So that's all good stuff there. Kadeem Hardison... I'm 465 00:27:15.700 --> 00:27:19.210 going to talk about this, I wish Cat Williams were 466 00:27:19.250 --> 00:27:22.849 here because Cat Williams often talks about, with regards to 467 00:27:22.910 --> 00:27:27.869 black comedians, he talks about cooning. And I can't tell 468 00:27:27.930 --> 00:27:30.779 from what the hell Cat Williams is describing the difference 469 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.059 between an authentically funny black guy who's doing the same 470 00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:37.140 kind of stuff a white guy would do, but he's black, 471 00:27:38.059 --> 00:27:40.200 and is that cooning or isn't it? Like, I can't 472 00:27:40.259 --> 00:27:43.569 tell from Cat Williams' criticisms of black comedians what he 473 00:27:43.619 --> 00:27:47.700 thinks is not dignified and what's funny. So I'm watching 474 00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:50.509 Kadeem Hardison and I'm just like, if Cat Williams were 475 00:27:50.549 --> 00:27:54.069 here right now, would he call that performance cooning? Because 476 00:27:54.130 --> 00:27:58.809 Kadeem Hardison is funny as fuck. He's hilarious in this movie, 477 00:27:59.230 --> 00:28:03.930 but he's doing like, he's shucking and jiving a lot. 478 00:28:04.150 --> 00:28:08.450 You know what I mean? He's playing, he's doing a 479 00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:11.180 jive Igor, which is fine. It's what the role was. 480 00:28:11.940 --> 00:28:14.799 But I don't know, based on like someone like Cat 481 00:28:14.819 --> 00:28:18.990 Williams or maybe somebody else, if that qualifies as a 482 00:28:19.049 --> 00:28:26.119 funny and dignified performance or not. Let me ask you something. Yeah, sure. 483 00:28:27.859 --> 00:28:32.240 As a white man, would I be inappropriate entering an 484 00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:32.960 opinion on this? 485 00:28:33.900 --> 00:28:35.049 Sean, I just opened with it. 486 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:37.779 Okay. 487 00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:42.039 Look, a bald white 50-year-old just opened a discussion of 488 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:44.140 what is or what isn't cooning based on. 489 00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:48.059 Okay, so... I'm going to put this right out there 490 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:52.720 for any black viewers to go ahead and criticize me 491 00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:55.480 on this. Tell me I'm wrong by all means. But 492 00:28:56.099 --> 00:29:00.220 on the surface, as a white man who admittedly does 493 00:29:00.309 --> 00:29:03.789 not know any better and from what Kooning has been 494 00:29:03.809 --> 00:29:08.049 described to me as, my lines among black comedians are 495 00:29:08.089 --> 00:29:15.160 kind of like this. Chris Tucker, Eddie Griffin. 496 00:29:19.009 --> 00:29:19.369 Cooning. 497 00:29:21.049 --> 00:29:30.099 Dave Chappelle, Chris Rock, not Cooning. Mike Epps, not necessarily Cooning. 498 00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:36.190 Borders on it, but I don't think he goes as 499 00:29:36.289 --> 00:29:39.970 far as Eddie and Chris do. So I still kind 500 00:29:40.099 --> 00:29:46.980 of not cooning. Oddly enough, I don't really put John 501 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:53.740 Witherspoon in the cooning category. Because I'm not him just 502 00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:55.960 feeling authentic, older black. 503 00:29:55.759 --> 00:30:00.160 Man, you know? That's my whole problem with this discussion. 504 00:30:00.619 --> 00:30:02.480 and with Cat Williams. I love Cat Williams, but I 505 00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:08.059 think some of his more militant views, what can be 506 00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:12.480 called militant, I think are his inner frustrations he's projecting outward. 507 00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:15.660 I can see that. I don't want to spend too 508 00:30:15.700 --> 00:30:18.160 long on this because we'll talk only about this and 509 00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:19.970 not about the movie if we do. So I'm going 510 00:30:19.990 --> 00:30:21.250 to put this out there and then kind of cut 511 00:30:21.289 --> 00:30:25.690 it short. But when Cat went on the Shea podcast 512 00:30:26.430 --> 00:30:29.319 and he was talking about black guys in dresses, It 513 00:30:29.339 --> 00:30:30.720 was like, oh, black guys have to go through a 514 00:30:30.740 --> 00:30:36.119 humiliation ritual in Hollywood. I'm sorry. Did we not see 515 00:30:36.220 --> 00:30:40.279 a whole lot of white men wearing dresses all over 516 00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:44.420 the history of Hollywood? Like, I don't understand why, like, 517 00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:50.700 playing with drag and gender and gender roles and putting 518 00:30:50.740 --> 00:30:53.369 men in dresses is as old as Hollywood itself. And 519 00:30:53.410 --> 00:30:57.089 it's a lot older than that. So, like, Dustin Hoffman, Tootsie, 520 00:30:57.859 --> 00:31:01.500 um just as an obvious one you know robin williams 521 00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:06.420 mrs doubtfire uh what's nathan lane the bird cage like 522 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.839 at some point why are you making a huge deal 523 00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:12.059 out of it if they put terry cruz in a 524 00:31:12.099 --> 00:31:14.720 dress terry cruz address is funny because he's god because 525 00:31:14.740 --> 00:31:18.170 he looks like goddamn he-man you know let. 526 00:31:18.069 --> 00:31:21.109 Me and maybe this is kind of tangential to what 527 00:31:21.130 --> 00:31:22.930 you're talking about let me ask. 528 00:31:22.809 --> 00:31:24.069 You something sure. 529 00:31:25.869 --> 00:31:33.950 Suppose there is a world where Eddie Murphy is, in 530 00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:37.039 this sense, in the sense of this movie, the same 531 00:31:37.150 --> 00:31:40.660 performer that he's always been at this point in his career. 532 00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:51.839 But he isn't coming in with preconceived expectations that have 533 00:31:51.859

--> 00:31:56.839 been forged by his comedic career. for what people are 534 00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.799 going to have in mind when they're seeing an Eddie 535 00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:04.059 Murphy movie or watching Eddie perform in anything. Do you 536 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:09.079 think Vampire in Brooklyn is still considered a disappointment if 537 00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:17.599 he's still delivering this same performance, but he's not out 538 00:32:17.660 --> 00:32:24.180 here giving us spooky Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood or spooky Axel Foley? 539 00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:28.039 So that's the thing. I was thinking as you were 540 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:32.250 talking about this, Eddie Murphy wrote this movie. Eddie Murphy 541 00:32:32.269 --> 00:32:35.289 was on set when Wes Craven was directing Kadeem Hardison. 542 00:32:36.650 --> 00:32:41.950 One would assume Eddie Murphy is as sensitive to minstrel 543 00:32:41.990 --> 00:32:46.619 performances as any other black man. I would think so. 544 00:32:46.819 --> 00:32:51.160 And everyone thought this was okay. I'm bringing this up 545 00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:56.150 because my official position is I think Cat Williams sees 546 00:32:56.250 --> 00:32:59.410 Cooning where there isn't any. And I think he, and 547 00:32:59.430 --> 00:33:02.180 I think for him, it's a lot of, as much 548 00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:04.599 as I love Cat Williams, the guy's got like a, 549 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:08.660 you know, two dozen popular Netflix specials. He's not hurting, 550 00:33:09.500 --> 00:33:12.220 but I don't. Oh no, no, but I don't think 551 00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.160 he's had the career that he wants. Why he, again, 552 00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:16.119 he picks on Kevin Hart. I don't think he's had 553 00:33:16.140 --> 00:33:18.789 the career that he's wanted. And I think he kind 554 00:33:18.829 --> 00:33:20.809 of does what a lot of people do with poor 555 00:33:20.890 --> 00:33:24.150 ego integrity and And that's, you know, blames others for 556 00:33:24.210 --> 00:33:27.170 his lack of success and calls things that they're not. 557 00:33:27.210 --> 00:33:29.089 So going back to this movie and Kadeem Hardison, which 558 00:33:29.109 --> 00:33:32.390 is why I started with this. Kadeem Hardison gives a 559 00:33:32.549 --> 00:33:36.529 very good performance as a kind of like, you know, 560 00:33:36.549 --> 00:33:41.029 Igor type character, you know, but he's also fast talking, 561 00:33:41.109 --> 00:33:45.309 you know, jive, quote unquote. But again, now point to 562 00:33:45.349 --> 00:33:47.410 somebody that doesn't act that way, at least, you know, 563 00:33:48.109 --> 00:33:48.789 in the black community. 564 00:33:49.940 --> 00:33:52.000 When it comes to, when it comes to Kadeem, what 565 00:33:52.059 --> 00:33:53.880 I would point out is this. 566 00:33:54.329 --> 00:33:56.230 Hang on, hang on. Before you say anything, you've seen 567 00:33:56.269 --> 00:33:58.769 white men can't jump, right? Is there

any difference between 568 00:33:59.230 --> 00:34:01.809 the performance Kadeem Hardison gives in this and the performance 569 00:34:01.849 --> 00:34:02.490 he gives in that? 570 00:34:05.170 --> 00:34:07.809 I don't think so, but here's the thing about Kadeem is, 571 00:34:07.849 --> 00:34:10.820 and this is where I differentiate him from, as I 572 00:34:10.860 --> 00:34:19.949 said before, performers like Chris Tucker and like Eddie Griffin, like, 573 00:34:19.969 --> 00:34:25.789 you know, sometimes Mike, a lot of times Mike Epps. 574 00:34:27.309 --> 00:34:32.039 And that is that you go and watch Kadeem in 575 00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:33.739 something like a different world. 576 00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:35.000 That's what I was just thinking about. 577 00:34:35.019 --> 00:34:39.119 If you call it, if you call, if you call Dwayne, 578 00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:43.429 if you call Dwayne in a different world, Kooning, You're 579 00:34:43.449 --> 00:34:45.519 going to find out just how easy it is for 580 00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:47.699 someone to send a pipe bomb to your house. 581 00:34:48.099 --> 00:34:51.039 Well, no, he's playing an entirely different character as Dwayne Wayne. 582 00:34:51.059 --> 00:34:54.519 Well, okay, exactly. But on the other hand, for the 583 00:34:54.579 --> 00:35:01.429 most part, 99.999% of the time, Eddie Griffin and Chris 584 00:35:01.469 --> 00:35:04.989 Tucker are playing the same fucking character. Kevin Hart is 585 00:35:05.030 --> 00:35:08.110 playing the same fucking character in just about every fucking 586 00:35:08.170 --> 00:35:08.949 thing he does. 587 00:35:09.329 --> 00:35:11.010 Stooge, that's the word I was looking for. He's playing 588 00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:14.329 as Stooge. In Vampire in Brooklyn, he's playing a stooge 589 00:35:14.570 --> 00:35:19.320 in White Men Can't Jump. And he's doing it the 590 00:35:19.340 --> 00:35:25.800 same exact way. He's motor mouthing. He's taking abuse from 591 00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:30.489 Eddie Murphy and Wesley Snipes. So we can move on 592 00:35:30.530 --> 00:35:32.630 from this. But I wanted to bring it up because 593 00:35:32.650 --> 00:35:36.389 I tend to kind of watch stuff with modern eyes 594 00:35:36.449 --> 00:35:38.869 now because I have kids who watch things with their 595 00:35:38.929 --> 00:35:41.739 own eyes. And they're 12 and 15. and I didn't 596 00:35:41.780 --> 00:35:43.780 watch this with them, but I could absolutely see them 597 00:35:43.909 --> 00:35:46.329 looking at Kadeem Hardison and going, oof, a little less 598 00:35:46.349 --> 00:35:50.489 than dignified, I think. Seems a little racist. Without, like, 599 00:35:50.630 --> 00:35:55.630 any other context. Like, just their sensitivities are modern sensitivities, 600 00:35:56.210 --> 00:36:00.880 and they weren't necessarily there in whatever year this came out. So, 601 00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:06.039 moving on from that. Angela Bassett, you know, the wonderful 602 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:11.150 mother of Panthers. She's She is really great in this. 603 00:36:11.190 --> 00:36:12.750 And it's so funny because I'm so used to Angela 604 00:36:12.769 --> 00:36:16.349 Bassett in like big time lead roles where she has 605 00:36:16.369 --> 00:36:21.690 a lot of gravitas. And here she's doing almost, and 606 00:36:21.849 --> 00:36:25.820 maybe this goes to my Kadeem Hardison thing. Like, as 607 00:36:25.860 --> 00:36:28.280 I'm saying this, I'm realizing I'm making a bigger argument, 608 00:36:28.590 --> 00:36:33.139 which is how much Vampire in Brooklyn kind of resembles really, 609 00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:37.119 really well put together expensive blaxploitation. Because she's giving a 610 00:36:37.179 --> 00:36:38.440 very breathy performance. 611 00:36:39.550 --> 00:36:43.340 I don't know if I can name another actress in 612 00:36:43.420 --> 00:36:53.260 her generation that is more underappreciated than Angela Bassett. I've tried. 613 00:36:53.619 --> 00:36:56.949 I've tried to come up with someone, and I got– 614 00:36:57.659 --> 00:37:00.420 the woman has just never gotten the full flower she 615 00:37:00.460 --> 00:37:03.800 has been due, and I just– it breaks my heart 616 00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:04.960 to think that she might never. 617 00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:06.480 Have you ever seen her in What's Love Got to 618 00:37:06.500 --> 00:37:09.659 Do With It? Yes. Yeah, she's powerhouse. 619 00:37:12.699 --> 00:37:22.960 It is transcendent. And as you can see, that's just 620 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:25.659 a great entry point. That's just the tip of the iceberg. 621 00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:29.510 And then you see something like this, and she and 622 00:37:29.929 --> 00:37:33.550 Eddie are out here elevating. You called it. What is 623 00:37:33.570 --> 00:37:39.800 as powerful blaxploitation a concept as blaxploitation concept can get. 624 00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:44.820 And they are actually it ain't quite blackula but you 625 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:45.760 know but it's. 626 00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:50.719 Up there but you know they also put together a 627 00:37:50.739 --> 00:37:52.619 little movie that I didn't want to tear my eyes 628 00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:53.440 away from. 629 00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:56.530 Yeah by the way when I say it's blaxploitation I'm 630 00:37:56.570 --> 00:37:59.829 not that's not a negative I'm just like now realizing 631 00:37:59.849 --> 00:38:04.849 oh that's what they were going for here yeah I 632 00:38:04.889 --> 00:38:07.829 like the fact that that's what they were doing. And 633 00:38:07.849 --> 00:38:09.449 I think they did it well. I don't think blaxploitation 634 00:38:09.469 --> 00:38:12.920 necessarily has to be a bad thing. Especially when everybody.... 635 00:38:13.690 --> 00:38:16.730 If nothing else, blaxploitation made a fuck ton of money. 636 00:38:16.750 --> 00:38:20.480 It sure did. I think it's one thing if this 637 00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:24.000 is all Wes Craven's idea and some other white producers

638 00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:26.480 and then they cobble together this cast of black people 639 00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:29.480 who are just doing it for the paycheck. Alright, there's 640 00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.079 arguments to be made there. But this is very black-driven. 641 00:38:32.739 --> 00:38:34.820 This is Eddie Murphy's script. This is Eddie Murphy's idea 642 00:38:34.860 --> 00:38:36.559 with people that he worked on who are, by the way, 643 00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:41.119 also black. And I love the fact that we have 644 00:38:41.179 --> 00:38:44.699 things like blaxploitation. And because of the world that has developed, 645 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:48.590 there's already like a negative connotation. But then you look 646 00:38:48.610 --> 00:38:51.389 at the original people who made this movie and they're 647 00:38:51.429 --> 00:38:54.929 all okay with it. Accepting of it on different levels, 648 00:38:55.389 --> 00:38:57.610 drawing from it. Because if you think Angela Bassett wasn't 649 00:38:57.670 --> 00:38:59.889 drawing somewhat from Pam Grier in this, you'd be crazy. 650 00:39:00.820 --> 00:39:03.079 She's absolutely going for Pangreer. 651 00:39:04.019 --> 00:39:04.900 Absolutely. 652 00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:08.980 Her partner, who I think was the same actor as the, 653 00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:13.449 you know, I'm black, y'all. I'm black, y'all, from fucking CB4. 654 00:39:14.510 --> 00:39:15.829 It's my favorite part of that movie. I just talked 655 00:39:15.849 --> 00:39:19.030 about that with Shay not that long ago. He gives 656 00:39:19.070 --> 00:39:21.929 a really good performance in this. He is just so 657 00:39:22.010 --> 00:39:24.650 frustrated and angry and trying to get to the bottom 658 00:39:24.690 --> 00:39:28.849 of things. like it's all really really good I think 659 00:39:28.869 --> 00:39:32.409 it's a plot it's interesting because basically it's you know 660 00:39:32.429 --> 00:39:36.289 Eddie Murphy has you know X amount of time to 661 00:39:36.349 --> 00:39:38.429 get this woman to accept being a vampire and I 662 00:39:38.489 --> 00:39:41.380 like the fact that it's so funny that like an 663 00:39:41.489 --> 00:39:44.820 argument for consent is embedded in this movie he can't 664 00:39:44.949 --> 00:39:47.380 just turn her into a vampire against her will she 665 00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:51.030 has to want it And he has to lead her. 666 00:39:51.090 --> 00:39:53.309 He has to gaslight her. He has to lead her 667 00:39:53.369 --> 00:39:55.889 down the path of thinking that this is what's best 668 00:39:55.929 --> 00:39:59.489 for me. Basically, he has to be a narcissist. He 669 00:39:59.510 --> 00:40:03.050 has to systematically isolate her, gaslight her, and convince her 670 00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:06.039 that doing things his way is the best way forward. 671 00:40:06.980 --> 00:40:11.699 That's pretty brilliant, especially for that era of filmmaking. Outside 672 00:40:11.739 --> 00:40:12.230 of that, I. 673 00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:17.400 The ending of the movie was fine. I didn't really 674 00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:19.199 have a problem with it. They had to resolve it somehow. 675 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:24.199 Having Kadeem Hardison, that's the other thing. Kadeem Hardison isn't just... 676 00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:29.460 He isn't Damon fucking Wayans from I'm Gonna Get You Sucka, 677 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:31.219 where he just throws himself out a window at the end. 678 00:40:31.530 --> 00:40:32.809 He gets to be a vampire at the end. He 679 00:40:32.829 --> 00:40:35.550 gets to be a really cool vampire. After all this 680 00:40:35.610 --> 00:40:38.530 abuse that he suffered and having body parts fall off himself, 681 00:40:39.010 --> 00:40:41.429 which is a funny gag, he gets to be the 682 00:40:41.449 --> 00:40:43.030 cool vampire in the end. So that's cool. And I'll 683 00:40:43.050 --> 00:40:44.570 give you the last word on Vampire in Brooklyn, and we'll. 684 00:40:46.190 --> 00:40:52.710 Um, my God, it is, it really is so damn 685 00:40:52.750 --> 00:40:57.469 surprisingly good. And Eddie carries this as a leading man, 686 00:40:57.550 --> 00:41:04.900 like an absolute fucking champ. And it doesn't look or 687 00:41:05.099 --> 00:41:11.340 feel like a Wes Craven movie at all. Um, This 688 00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:16.039 is one time when a movie shot and his fingerprints 689 00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:21.760 are absolutely not all over it. They're kind of hardly 690 00:41:21.860 --> 00:41:26.690 on it at all. And yet it still looks great. 691 00:41:26.769 --> 00:41:32.110 It still feels great. It's paced really, really, really, really well. 692 00:41:34.530 --> 00:41:37.429 I would absolutely recommend that you go out of your 693 00:41:37.489 --> 00:41:40.849 way to watch and appreciate this. Yep. Hell, watch it 694 00:41:40.869 --> 00:41:42.050 alongside Blackula. 695 00:41:43.510 --> 00:41:46.440 And you can do a triple feature. Blackula, Vampire in Brooklyn, 696 00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:47.280 and Blackula 2. 697 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:52.920 I was going to say Blade, but I'll take Blackula 2. 698 00:41:52.940 --> 00:41:54.460 I haven't done a TikTok on Blade yet. I really 699 00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:57.539 should get around to it at some point. My one 700 00:41:57.579 --> 00:41:59.840 on the Punisher did really well today. My second one 701 00:41:59.889 --> 00:42:01.949 I've done on the Punisher. But enough about my TikTok. 702 00:42:01.969 --> 00:42:03.449 Have I told you about my TikTok? I have a TikTok. 703 00:42:03.489 --> 00:42:07.309 You should go check it out. Alright, last one. My 704 00:42:08.250 --> 00:42:10.800 soul to take. Well, Sean, if you came on this, 705 00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:12.510 this is all a joke. This is just a setup. 706 00:42:12.550 --> 00:42:14.670 Go with it. So, well, Sean, if you got on 707 00:42:14.690 --> 00:42:16.449 this podcast, you're like, gosh, yeah, I wish Mark would 708 00:42:16.489 --> 00:42:17.710 just let me

talk tonight. I just want to take 709 00:42:17.730 --> 00:42:19.809 over the whole podcast. I don't want to give this 710 00:42:19.829 --> 00:42:21.309 guy a word edgewise. I just want to get on 711 00:42:21.329 --> 00:42:24.130 my lectern and bang his shoe and talk forever. Boy, 712 00:42:24.170 --> 00:42:25.590 this is the movie to do that with. I have 713 00:42:25.670 --> 00:42:30.539 so little to say. So, my soul to thank. 714 00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:33.800 I wouldn't say my opinions are that strong, but this 715 00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.079 was absolutely my favorite of the three. 716 00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.070 I disagree with that as much as I disagree with 717 00:42:39.110 --> 00:42:41.030 Omar Epps doesn't coon, but that's a different discussion. 718 00:42:41.809 --> 00:42:43.789 I said doesn't always. 719 00:42:43.809 --> 00:42:46.250 Okay, I've seen the Friday movies. 720 00:42:46.510 --> 00:42:46.829 Yikes. 721 00:42:47.570 --> 00:42:52.469 Also, have you seen Meet the Blacks? Yikes. But enough 722 00:42:52.550 --> 00:42:56.159 about that. My Soul to Take is a 2010 American 723 00:42:56.179 --> 00:43:00.099 supernatural slasher film produced, written, directed, first base, Bugs Bunny, 724 00:43:00.139 --> 00:43:03.139 second base, sorry, by Wes Craven, making the first time 725 00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:05.579 he had filled all three roles since Wes Craven's new 726 00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:10.769 Nightmare in 94. The film stars Max Theriot as Adam Boog, Hellerman, 727 00:43:10.889 --> 00:43:13.510 who is one of seven teenagers chosen to die following 728 00:43:13.550 --> 00:43:18.119 the anniversary of a serial killer's death. Denzel Whitaker, Raul Esparza, 729 00:43:18.539 --> 00:43:21.360 and Sharika Epps also star. The film's title comes from 730 00:43:21.420 --> 00:43:23.960 a line... Okay, who cares? My Soul to Take was 731 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:27.940 released by Relativity Media and Universal Pictures on October 8th, 2010. 732 00:43:27.940 --> 00:43:30.139 It was unsuccessful at the box office, grossing $ 21 against 733 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:34.469 a $ 25 million budget, and received mostly negative reviews from critics. 734 00:43:35.539 --> 00:43:38.280 The film was one of Craven's final slasher works before 735 00:43:38.340 --> 00:43:41.260 he died in 2015 and was later reappraised by horror fans, 736 00:43:41.300 --> 00:43:45.969 gaining a small cult following that considers it underrated. 16 737 00:43:45.969 --> 00:43:49.820 years after a notorious serial killer supposedly dies, seven teenagers 738 00:43:49.869 --> 00:43:52.190 born on the night of his disappearance, what was this 739 00:43:52.210 --> 00:43:55.730 during COVID, become targets of a mysterious murderer. As the 740 00:43:55.789 --> 00:43:59.409 anniversary approaches, troubled teenager Bug discovers disturbing connections between his 741 00:43:59.449 --> 00:44:02.750 past and the killings, raising questions about possession, inherited evil, 742 00:44:02.849 --> 00:44:05.369 and the killer's possible return. I think this is where 743 00:44:05.409 --> 00:44:09.829 I lost my patience with Wes Craven. We're doing all 744 00:44:09.849 --> 00:44:12.610 the Nightmare on Elm Street stuff again? Terrific. What did 745 00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:16.260 you think of this movie, Sean? 746 00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:25.179 It was definitely different. I really especially enjoyed the opening 747 00:44:25.260 --> 00:44:31.300 flashback sequence and kind of establishing the chaos of all 748 00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:35.139 the personalities and all the alters kind of vying for 749 00:44:35.179 --> 00:44:39.639 control all at once. I thought the shootout with the 750 00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:46.050 police was really, was really, God damn that, that fucker 751 00:44:46.070 --> 00:44:54.829 just wouldn't die. Try as they might. I think that's 752 00:44:55.010 --> 00:44:58.420 definitely a take on high school, on high school life. 753 00:45:01.579 --> 00:45:04.980 It was so exaggerated, but at the same time, you 754 00:45:05.019 --> 00:45:10.329 can't say that it was entirely without a factual basis. 755 00:45:17.269 --> 00:45:22.190 You know, I... I'm now afraid you're really going to 756 00:45:22.309 --> 00:45:25.380 shoot me down on why I enjoyed this movie so 757 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:26.760 much that some of it's going to have to boil 758 00:45:26.780 --> 00:45:30.539 down to I was indeed high when I watched it. Um... 759 00:45:32.150 --> 00:45:36.809 I do wish that... I like the concept. I do 760 00:45:36.909 --> 00:45:39.789 like the concept of the killer and the fact and 761 00:45:39.829 --> 00:45:40.650 the idea that. 762 00:45:42.659 --> 00:45:44.199 I know you kind of write it off and roll 763 00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:49.000 your eyes at it. The idea that echoes of a 764 00:45:49.099 --> 00:45:53.920 soul can be reborn in other bodies. That seemed like 765 00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:58.119 an interesting concept to play with where you've got each 766 00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:01.019 of the seven kids embodying one of the other person's 767 00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:06.750 one of the other personalities. Um, frankly, I love the, 768 00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:09.570 that's one of the reasons I love the absolute chaos 769 00:46:09.610 --> 00:46:15.949 of bugs classroom sequence. Um, that was goddamn Aaron Sorkin 770 00:46:15.989 --> 00:46:19.409 level high school wish fulfillment for me, uh, for the 771 00:46:19.469 --> 00:46:26.869 kids to picked on my ass. Um, I don't know 772 00:46:26.929 --> 00:46:30.449 that it was developed the best that the best that 773 00:46:30.469 --> 00:46:33.329 it could have been. it was kind of a war 774 00:46:33.369 --> 00:46:39.690 of these souls just reborn in different bodies. I think 775 00:46:39.730 --> 00:46:41.849 the kills sometimes were a little too. 776 00:46:43.699 --> 00:46:44.070 Quick. 777 00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:51.280 It didn't really kind of make the killer quite fearful enough. 778

00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:57.610 It wasn't so much that he was being as imaginative 779 00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:01.320 as Freddy Krueger or as cerebral as any of the 780 00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:05.650 better ghost faces. It's just that his victims were really 781 00:47:05.789 --> 00:47:13.449 fucking stupid. No, you're not good at the game. You're 782 00:47:13.489 --> 00:47:22.460 playing in bronze lobbies. There's a difference. But. 783 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:22.559 I. 784 00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:28.300 Did enjoy the performances, especially... I thought the whole idea 785 00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:32.320 of the whole kind of high school bureaucracy of the 786 00:47:32.449 --> 00:47:36.449 fangs and no fang zone and I guess beatings have 787 00:47:36.530 --> 00:47:44.530 numerical ratings now. Like what was he said? One punch 788 00:47:44.570 --> 00:47:47.710 was a three. One punch wasn't one punch wasn't eight. 789 00:47:48.409 --> 00:47:52.190 It's just it's so almost Simpsons level cartoonish. 790 00:47:53.150 --> 00:47:53.269 Yeah. 791 00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:57.860 To actually tell somebody the force rating of the punch 792 00:47:57.920 --> 00:47:59.079 they just received. 793 00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:03.219 It comes across like Steve Buscemi. Hello, fellow youngsters! 794 00:48:09.869 --> 00:48:13.190 And yet, I was engaged in the whole stupid melodrama 795 00:48:13.230 --> 00:48:16.510 the entire time, and I have no earthly idea why. 796 00:48:16.530 --> 00:48:21.130 My soul to take feels like somebody took a Dawson's 797 00:48:21.190 --> 00:48:25.019 Creek script and decided to turn it into a slasher 798 00:48:25.059 --> 00:48:31.460 movie with a C-level cast. I'm glad you like this, 799 00:48:31.500 --> 00:48:33.000 and I'm not taking that away from you. I'm going 800 00:48:33.019 --> 00:48:34.239 to tell you you're bored the shit out of me. 801 00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.690 It lost me almost... It lost me and never got 802 00:48:37.710 --> 00:48:41.230 me back. And I found myself zoning out for large 803 00:48:41.289 --> 00:48:44.849 parts of it. Like, I love doing triple feature. I 804 00:48:44.869 --> 00:48:47.050 love podcasting. I love talking to you. There are times 805 00:48:47.110 --> 00:48:51.460 it does... Self-induced. I chose these movies. I chose this podcast. 806 00:48:52.730 --> 00:48:55.469 So I chose to give myself homework. And that's what 807 00:48:55.489 --> 00:48:59.639 this felt like. This felt like an obligation. It really 808 00:48:59.659 --> 00:49:03.460 was not a pleasurable viewing experience for me. 809 00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:09.480 You know what? I really do think, yeah, I think 810 00:49:09.500 --> 00:49:15.070 it was just the stupid cartoonish nature of everything going 811 00:49:15.269 --> 00:49:18.739 on that actually got because I've seen Wes try to 812 00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:23.639 do like you know his idea of semi grounded American 813 00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:26.960 teenager and it was great but this was something

different 814 00:49:27.099 --> 00:49:27.639 from him so. 815 00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:33.969 This feels like this absolutely feels like someone's like end 816 00:49:34.010 --> 00:49:37.889 of the road project like all of their creative juices 817 00:49:37.949 --> 00:49:41.659 and interesting ideas They've already been passed by other people 818 00:49:42.420 --> 00:49:47.199 and this is them... A lot of people are complaining 819 00:49:47.219 --> 00:49:49.900 now about Ridley Scott and Morton Scorsese and some of 820 00:49:49.940 --> 00:49:55.059 these other guys. They're just hanging on forever. It's another one. 821 00:49:56.539 --> 00:50:00.320 Back to the Future. I can't remember the name of 822 00:50:00.340 --> 00:50:00.820 the director now. 823 00:50:02.659 --> 00:50:03.440 Robert Zemeckis? 824 00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:09.570 Zemeckis, yeah. Robert Zemeckis. Spielberg. All of these Boomer directors... 825 00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:12.500 Like they're just hanging on and they keep trying and 826 00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.199 they're not connecting with people and they're not making good movies. 827 00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:18.639 That's kind of what this feels like. This feels like 828 00:50:18.739 --> 00:50:21.159 where a lot of those guys are now, you know, 829 00:50:21.179 --> 00:50:23.960 and I don't want to spend a podcast as opposed to, 830 00:50:25.550 --> 00:50:30.269 you know, celebrate a director by criticizing him. But I 831 00:50:30.289 --> 00:50:32.809 really feel like Wes Craven had some really, really good 832 00:50:32.829 --> 00:50:35.809 ideas peaked at a certain point in his career. And then, 833 00:50:35.969 --> 00:50:39.210 and like, we're kind of looking at, The death throes 834 00:50:39.269 --> 00:50:41.170 of it. That's not to say that you can't enjoy it. 835 00:50:41.170 --> 00:50:44.329 You can enjoy whatever the hell you want. But I 836 00:50:44.389 --> 00:50:47.329 think by this point, Wes Craven was plumb out of ideas. 837 00:50:48.349 --> 00:50:49.989 And that a lot of this stuff is recycled in 838 00:50:50.010 --> 00:50:50.469 this movie. 839 00:50:51.030 --> 00:50:55.619 And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. How 840 00:50:55.780 --> 00:51:02.340 easily we forget Orson Welles was not making Citizen Kane 841 00:51:02.460 --> 00:51:06.639 right up to his death. Mm-hmm. He was doing commercials 842 00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:08.139 for Frozen Peas. 843 00:51:09.179 --> 00:51:10.099 Rosebud. 844 00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:12.139 You know, he was. 845 00:51:12.260 --> 00:51:13.860 Rosebud Frozen Peas. 846 00:51:14.780 --> 00:51:20.469 He was doing Transformers the movie, which, while generation-defining and iconic, 847 00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:24.250 let's face it, Citizen Kane, it fucking was not. 848 00:51:25.269 --> 00:51:28.309 No, I would not say Transformers the movie was Citizen Kane. No, 849 00:51:28.309 --> 00:51:30.570 I would... That's a very astute observation. 850 00:51:30.969 --> 00:51:34.570 Of modern directors, I would even dare say. 851 00:51:36.010 --> 00:51:38.610 We're nearing that point with Quentin Tarantino. 852 00:51:38.630 --> 00:51:40.809 Oh, we're going to talk about him next month. 853 00:51:42.289 --> 00:51:49.409 Oh, believe me, I remember. We're kind of very much nearing, 854 00:51:49.530 --> 00:51:58.780 if not at that point, with Quentin. God, I love him. 855 00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:02.019 I would dare say Kevin Smith is probably long past 856 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:02.659 that point. 857 00:52:03.699 --> 00:52:06.579 Well in the past. My patience for Kevin Smith died 858 00:52:06.619 --> 00:52:07.420 a long time ago. 859 00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:11.239 And again, and I say that as someone who loves 860 00:52:11.500 --> 00:52:17.400 Kevin Smith, there does come a point when you've just 861 00:52:17.460 --> 00:52:19.780 kind of taken who you are as a director as 862 00:52:19.900 --> 00:52:23.820 far as you can go. And there's not necessarily anything 863 00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:27.079 wrong with that. But while I enjoy this for reasons 864 00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:29.019 that I know I have done a piss poor job 865 00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:32.460 articulating compared to how I've talked about the other two movies, 866 00:52:33.980 --> 00:52:38.059 For some damn reason, I really enjoyed watching this one. 867 00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:39.559 Okay. 868 00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:48.079 I don't know. Because the acting is, to put it generous... Oh, God. 869 00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:54.909 What was the... Riverdale. We're talking roughly Riverdale-level acting here. 870 00:52:56.130 --> 00:52:59.190 Yeah. That might be my problem with this. I was 871 00:52:59.250 --> 00:53:02.030 not a big fan of Supernatural. 872 00:53:01.389 --> 00:53:06.050 Or Riverdale or any of that stuff. absolutely justifiable. 873 00:53:06.570 --> 00:53:08.630 That's why I said this was like Dawson Creek, the 874 00:53:08.650 --> 00:53:09.389 slasher movie. 875 00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:19.059 Yeah, you know what? Dawson's Creek with Kmart Dawson. 876 00:53:19.980 --> 00:53:27.380 Alright, anything else about my soul to take before we 877 00:53:27.500 --> 00:53:28.139 call an end to this? 878 00:53:29.579 --> 00:53:32.929 Really very little. I mean... In a way, I think 879 00:53:32.949 --> 00:53:38.969 you kind of convinced me. Worth giving a chance. I 880 00:53:39.019 --> 00:53:43.280 think there's a fair chance you might like it like 881 00:53:43.659 --> 00:53:46.460 I did. But on the other hand, if for the 882 00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:49.880 reasons that we articulated, it just puts you off, you 883 00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:53.300 know what? Fair. I can't say I can entirely argue. 884 00:53:53.909 --> 00:53:56.010 Before we go, I do want to say some nice 885 00:53:56.030 --> 00:53:57.889 things about Wes Craven that I believe to be true. 886 00:53:58.550 --> 00:54:02.269 You redefined the slasher genre. He pretty much redefined horror 887 00:54:02.309 --> 00:54:06.059 in the

80s. I think a large part of today's 888 00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:10.739 horror owes itself to the Wes Craven effect. If you 889 00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:12.760 make horror movies and you're not inspired by Wes Craven, 890 00:54:12.780 --> 00:54:16.860 I'm not entirely sure what the fuck inspired you then. 891 00:54:17.820 --> 00:54:19.769 I think the film industry is better off having had 892 00:54:19.789 --> 00:54:22.130 a Wes Craven in it than without it. I don't 893 00:54:22.150 --> 00:54:24.190 think a bad movie or maybe two or three bad 894 00:54:24.250 --> 00:54:29.989 movies makes you not an appreciated part of the film industry. 895 00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:32.179 So for every negative thing I have to say about 896 00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:34.420 Wes Craven, I'm so glad he made movies. Remember, I'm 897 00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:36.659 not the world's biggest fan of the horror genre either, 898 00:54:37.269 --> 00:54:39.750 but I know good movies when I see them. And 899 00:54:39.849 --> 00:54:43.329 I think, you know, here's where I would put Wes Craven. 900 00:54:43.869 --> 00:54:46.650 I would put him next to George Lucas for the 901 00:54:46.690 --> 00:54:50.699 following reasons. I think both him, to me, him and 902 00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:54.760 George Lucas are very similar. They both had really weird 903 00:54:54.820 --> 00:54:58.039 ideas that because they're both like autistic, can't explain to 904 00:54:58.099 --> 00:55:04.210 other people. And they absolutely have to depend on not 905 00:55:04.269 --> 00:55:08.050 officially diagnosing him. It's me being funny. But I think 906 00:55:08.070 --> 00:55:11.989 they have a hard time getting across their weirdo ideas 907 00:55:12.010 --> 00:55:14.469 to other people. And they're very much dependent on other 908 00:55:14.510 --> 00:55:18.070 craftsmen to make their ideas a reality on film. And 909 00:55:18.110 --> 00:55:20.440 it's sometimes very successful and other times not so much. 910 00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:23.119 And sometimes, whatever it is they're thinking, it's just very 911 00:55:23.179 --> 00:55:27.800 hard to capture on screen. I think he's an extremely talented, 912 00:55:27.820 --> 00:55:30.670 creative person. who probably needs a good team around him 913 00:55:31.010 --> 00:55:34.739 to give him shape and purpose and direction, just like 914 00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:36.860 George Lucas. I think when you leave him to his 915 00:55:36.900 --> 00:55:41.400 own devices, he's too much of a weirdo and a dreamer, 916 00:55:41.420 --> 00:55:46.090 no pun intended, to be as effective a storyteller as 917 00:55:46.130 --> 00:55:47.909 he needs to be. And I'll give you the last 918 00:55:47.949 --> 00:55:48.769 word on Wes Craven. 919 00:55:50.090 --> 00:55:53.070 All right. I've actually, I actually was thinking about this 920 00:55:53.150 --> 00:55:55.210 on my commute home from work because I knew this 921 00:55:55.250 --> 00:56:00.340 subject was going to come up. And, uh, while it 922

00:56:00.420 --> 00:56:03.679 is more bittersweet than I can describe, I think it's 923 00:56:03.900 --> 00:56:07.340 oddly fitting that we're talking about Wes on the day 924 00:56:07.420 --> 00:56:11.449 that sadly we lost Sir Patrick Stewart and so close 925 00:56:11.530 --> 00:56:15.090 to when we just lost Dolly Parton. And that is 926 00:56:15.150 --> 00:56:19.510 because the kinship that I think he shares with those 927 00:56:19.610 --> 00:56:24.880 two and many more like them is the fact that 928 00:56:27.130 --> 00:56:33.449 he understood and championed things about his craft that have 929 00:56:33.469 --> 00:56:37.750 been fundamental to everything that has been great, that has 930 00:56:37.769 --> 00:56:42.880 been achieved in it. Like Patrick Stewart to acting and dramaturgy, 931 00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:48.960 like Dolly Parton to music, especially country music, and particularly philanthropy. 932 00:56:50.380 --> 00:56:50.679 And I. 933 00:56:52.900 --> 00:56:55.659 Think that's the fact that we have to remember that 934 00:56:56.219 --> 00:57:01.760 As a horror filmmaker, Wes Craven was a contemporary to 935 00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:06.340 the likes of Stephen King, to the likes of Clive Barker, 936 00:57:06.699 --> 00:57:10.380 to the likes of John Carpenter, to the like, well, 937 00:57:11.099 --> 00:57:13.420 maybe there's a major difference between him and Sean Cunningham, 938 00:57:13.659 --> 00:57:15.449 but I think there's also a lot of great celebrities. 939 00:57:16.260 --> 00:57:20.409 Dario Argento, God knows the list could go on. But 940 00:57:20.449 --> 00:57:26.179 the fact of the matter is, What set Wes apart 941 00:57:26.900 --> 00:57:31.400 as the filmmaker that horror filmmakers after him strove to 942 00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:36.099 emulate and equal and to pursue was the fact that 943 00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:41.300 Wes was a storyteller first. That's not to say that 944 00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:45.159 he didn't love him a good spectacle. God knows he is, 945 00:57:45.179 --> 00:57:47.510 and I would be stupid to try to claim otherwise. 946 00:57:48.630 --> 00:57:53.329 But the fact is, almost everything that he did on 947 00:57:53.510 --> 00:57:58.579 screen was meant to manipulate the things that he came 948 00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:04.719 to under to understood made human beings uncomfortable that stoked 949 00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:08.110 their fears that connected with them on a primal level 950 00:58:08.849 --> 00:58:17.230 his greatest creation freddy krueger was an incredible amalgamation of 951 00:58:17.309 --> 00:58:23.380 some of wes's own childhood trauma And the very real 952 00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:28.400 tragic trauma that was affecting Hmong immigrants in the 80s 953 00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:35.019 who had been displaced and traumatized and had to take 954 00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:40.699 refuge in the United States. And many of them weren't 955 00:58:40.820 --> 00:58:46.340 sleeping and were dying in their sleep after some period 956 00:58:46.380 --> 00:58:49.610 of time of complaining of vivid nightmares. And some were 957 00:58:49.650 --> 00:58:52.510 dying because they knew what was going on and they 958 00:58:52.550 --> 00:58:55.739 were afraid to try to sleep. And so they were 959 00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:01.500 keeping themselves up for extremely dangerous lengths of time. And 960 00:59:01.539 --> 00:59:07.570 we're talking about a movie that serendipitously, absolutely lightning in 961 00:59:07.590 --> 00:59:11.090 a bottle, its original premise. premise was supposed to be 962 00:59:11.130 --> 00:59:14.349 this was not a child killer this was a child 963 00:59:14.630 --> 00:59:20.610 molester and it just so happened at the time that 964 00:59:21.949 --> 00:59:27.780 this was going on during a very very famous preschool 965 00:59:27.900 --> 00:59:32.739 age sex abuse scandal that rocked the entire nation. And 966 00:59:32.780 --> 00:59:36.000 that was why he and Bob Shea made a decision 967 00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:40.380 that I believe was equal parts good faith and good business. Okay, 968 00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:45.739 we can't go that far with this movie. It's going 969 00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:48.840 to look terrible. And I have to think that for 970 00:59:48.909 --> 00:59:51.530 as good-hearted a man as Wes was known to be, 971 00:59:51.969 --> 00:59:54.789 he had to know I couldn't live with myself feeling 972 00:59:54.829 --> 00:59:58.460 like I exploded. like I might have exploited this, and 973 00:59:58.500 --> 01:00:02.380 like my success might have piggybacked off the sensation of 974 01:00:02.420 --> 01:00:07.849 this tragedy. And that was Wes at his absolute best. 975 01:00:08.170 --> 01:00:12.210 Was he always at his absolute best? Fuck no. These 976 01:00:12.289 --> 01:00:16.050 aren't the only disappointing movies we could probably bring up. 977 01:00:17.170 --> 01:00:26.280 But at his best. Wes was a cerebral, often empathetic, compassionate... 978 01:00:26.130 --> 01:00:33.690 very introspective man whose best work reflected on the darkest 979 01:00:33.809 --> 01:00:39.380 realities of humanity. By all means, feel free to go 980 01:00:39.500 --> 01:00:46.900 watch Last House on the Left. On the things that 981 01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:54.900 make in particular, you know, Seemingly smug, superior, suburban white men, 982 01:00:55.019 --> 01:00:58.840 uncomfortable to travel into unknown spaces where they're the outsider. 983 01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:07.019 See The Hills Have Eyes. We've talked to death about 984 01:01:07.099 --> 01:01:13.219 Nightmare on Elm Street. He kind of found his resolution there, 985 01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:17.079 and he went on to really make a whole series 986 01:01:17.139 --> 01:01:21.530 of movies that meditates on the evolution of a genre 987 01:01:21.570 --> 01:01:24.590 that he was one of the forefathers of and how 988 01:01:24.670 --> 01:01:27.769 it shaped and how it shaped culture and how the 989

01:01:27.809 --> 01:01:31.360 way it shaped culture might be backfiring on us. And 990 01:01:31.429 --> 01:01:33.900 sometimes he just made movies that were just kind of 991 01:01:34.139 --> 01:01:37.079 out of no, out of nowhere and imaginative. They were 992 01:01:37.099 --> 01:01:41.420 just kind of his personal passion projects, you know, like some, 993 01:01:41.940 --> 01:01:44.360 like some of these and sometimes they work and sometimes 994 01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:50.630 they didn't. But the fact is, There are filmmakers nowadays, 995 01:01:51.369 --> 01:01:53.469 now that horror is having a moment, who are really 996 01:01:53.530 --> 01:01:55.710 bringing a lot of that back. And I truly believe 997 01:01:55.730 --> 01:02:01.469 that's why horror is thriving again, is because you have 998 01:02:01.550 --> 01:02:10.110 the likes of Ryan Coogler's and Mike Flanagan's and Zach 999 01:02:10.150 --> 01:02:15.099 Crager's and more. who are making more movies, that are 1000 01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:17.320 getting back to the roots, who are getting back to 1001 01:02:17.340 --> 01:02:21.559 the Romeros and the Carpenters and the Cravens and the 1002 01:02:21.659 --> 01:02:25.320 Barkers and really getting back to capturing the essence of 1003 01:02:25.420 --> 01:02:28.500 what makes human beings afraid and sometimes using that to 1004 01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:33.239 say uncomfortable things. That's ambition. And here I'm going to 1005 01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:35.440 be a little bit divisive because I'm a horror fan. 1006 01:02:35.969 --> 01:02:38.429 And I sometimes hate to think of the impact that 1007 01:02:38.610 --> 01:02:43.789 creepy pasta and, you know, good ideas from analog horror 1008 01:02:44.050 --> 01:02:48.280 that the people who followed local 58 then took and 1009 01:02:48.340 --> 01:02:51.460 then just kind of did badly again and again and again. 1010 01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:54.400 Like it's watching a bunch of indie guys do the 1011 01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:58.579 DDT until well shit. Now Jake Roberts DDT looks even better. 1012 01:02:58.940 --> 01:03:01.679 Now ours looks even better because we've seen how shitty 1013 01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:04.360 you all do it. They made it look like they 1014 01:03:04.469 --> 01:03:08.360 actually killed somebody. Go ahead. Take a drink. I'll wait. No, 1015 01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:08.940 I won't. 1016 01:03:09.139 --> 01:03:09.599 Ha ha. 1017 01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:15.179 You know, I feel like the jump scares have maybe 1018 01:03:15.219 --> 01:03:17.519 gotten a little bit better. The moods and the aesthetics 1019 01:03:17.579 --> 01:03:20.980 have gotten inventive. Well done. But you've also lost the 1020 01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:25.280 heart of horror. We hadn't had a good alien in 1021 01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:30.840 a while until recently. We hadn't had something like Obsession 1022 01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:34.090 until recently. that touched on something that needed to be 1023 01:03:34.170 --> 01:03:37.630 said exactly the way it's been said. And lo and behold, 1024 01:03:37.690 --> 01:03:42.429 now even that is being fucked up. We've had movies 1025 01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:48.400 like Get Out, like It Follows, but we've also had 1026 01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:53.179 some really great spectacle movies like the most recent Resident Evil. 1027 01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:59.559 We've had movies get really fantastic remakes for the modern age. 1028 01:03:59.619 --> 01:04:01.599 I think we're better than anybody expected them to be. 1029 01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:07.119 like it, like Nosferatu. I think horror's great right now, 1030 01:04:07.179 --> 01:04:09.280 but my final word on this, I know I stretched 1031 01:04:09.380 --> 01:04:12.449 on for a long time, is if you want to 1032 01:04:12.530 --> 01:04:15.510 make great horror, if this is something that you want 1033 01:04:15.550 --> 01:04:19.530 to do, and I say this as a fan, I 1034 01:04:19.630 --> 01:04:25.190 am pleading with you. I'm glad that analog horror and 1035 01:04:25.230 --> 01:04:29.309 mascot horror and creepypasta got you on board. Well done. Now, 1036 01:04:30.739 --> 01:04:33.900 Go fucking watch hours on end of dead meat and 1037 01:04:33.940 --> 01:04:37.420 listen to the dead meat podcast and go absorb the 1038 01:04:37.500 --> 01:04:42.840 true masters of horror to understand what makes, to makes 1039 01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:45.780 it work, to understand the rules, like to learn the 1040 01:04:45.820 --> 01:04:48.460 rules like a novice. You can eventually break them like 1041 01:04:48.500 --> 01:04:53.320 a master. Please go and do that. Go carry on 1042 01:04:53.340 --> 01:04:58.360 the legacy because unfortunately with Dolly Parton, dies another big 1043 01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:02.639 heart of a great country tradition that was already on 1044 01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:07.369 life support. With the death of Patrick Stewart, there just 1045 01:05:07.610 --> 01:05:10.809 are not many actors left quite like him and Sir 1046 01:05:11.030 --> 01:05:16.630 Ian McKellen, who were contemporaries of Laurence Olivier and Sir 1047 01:05:16.809 --> 01:05:21.010 Alec Guinness. That is a tradition that is going by 1048 01:05:21.050 --> 01:05:25.849 the wayside. Please appreciate the masters while they're still alive. 1049 01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:29.440 while they're still around. Fuck, we talk about professional wrestling 1050 01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:34.139 all the time. Enjoy CM Punk, Cody Rhodes, Roman Reigns, 1051 01:05:34.179 --> 01:05:38.599 The Usos, Seth Rollins, FTR, all of them while you last. 1052 01:05:38.780 --> 01:05:42.409 Because every single one I just mentioned all said, hey, 1053 01:05:42.889 --> 01:05:45.510 the end's coming and it's coming sooner than you think. 1054 01:05:46.690 --> 01:05:52.329 And frankly, while I believe in embracing the present, there's 1055 01:05:52.369 --> 01:05:54.349 a lot that I doesn't think feel like deserves to 1056 01:05:54.389 -->

01:05:55.210 be lost in art. 1057 01:05:57.480 --> 01:06:01.000 All right. Thank you, Sean. Well, that is our review 1058 01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:03.559 of our director focus on Wes Craven and our reviews 1059 01:06:03.579 --> 01:06:08.809 of Shocker, Vampire in Brooklyn, and my soul to take. 1060 01:06:12.489 --> 01:06:14.070 Jesus fucking Christ, are you okay? 1061 01:06:15.550 --> 01:06:18.010 Yeah, I just went to go kind of cross my 1062 01:06:18.050 --> 01:06:19.699 legs the other way and I kicked the little table 1063 01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:20.840 that my laptop was on. 1064 01:06:21.300 --> 01:06:25.739 All righty. All right, so this is a busy week. Sunday, 1065 01:06:25.820 --> 01:06:29.820 myself and Alexis Haina reviewed Monster, the Lizzie Borden story. 1066 01:06:31.659 --> 01:06:36.190 On Monday was our review of Clayface. Tuesday, Alexis did 1067 01:06:36.230 --> 01:06:42.530 a triple feature of Iron Lung, Obsession, and Backrooms. Wednesday, 1068 01:06:42.610 --> 01:06:52.360 she reviewed Camp Crystal Lake, which brings us to tonight. Okay. Monday, 1069 01:06:52.380 --> 01:06:55.420 we're back. We'll be doing another triple feature. This will 1070 01:06:55.440 --> 01:07:01.000 be a streaming movie catch-up. Matchbox, the movie, Sacrifice and Animals. 1071 01:07:02.139 --> 01:07:05.239 But those last two are on Netflix. DMU Hollywood comes 1072 01:07:05.300 --> 01:07:07.610 in a day late, a dollar short. Alexis will be hosting. 1073 01:07:08.090 --> 01:07:11.250 It'll be her, Robert Winfrey, and Zach Strobel, who has... 1074 01:07:12.010 --> 01:07:14.630 Zach Strobel, the diva. Zach Strobel, who has asked me 1075 01:07:14.650 --> 01:07:17.690 to not have a comment across his face. Zach Strobel, 1076 01:07:17.730 --> 01:07:20.469 who will have a throne built of gold for him 1077 01:07:20.489 --> 01:07:23.590 to sit on. Zach Strobel. First base, Zach Strobel, second base. 1078 01:07:24.050 --> 01:07:28.530 Zach Strobel will be joining them on a review of Wildwood. Ooh, baby, baby, 1079 01:07:28.590 --> 01:07:35.000 it's a Wildwood. Thursday, Jesse and I return to sessions. 1080 01:07:35.179 --> 01:07:39.199 We will be taking reviews of Band of Brothers, The Pacific, 1081 01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:41.440 and Masters of the Sky, and turning it into a 1082 01:07:41.539 --> 01:07:47.369 Sabaton-esque appreciation of our veterans called Tanks for the Memories. 1083 01:07:47.949 --> 01:07:51.469 Tanks for the Memories, Sean. Jesse named that one. I 1084 01:07:51.489 --> 01:07:52.769 told him what we were doing and he just goes, 1085 01:07:52.789 --> 01:07:58.420 thanks for the memories. And because I am also mentally ill, 1086 01:07:58.659 --> 01:08:00.179 I was like, that's it. That's the name of the song. 1087 01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:01.780 And he was like, no, I was kidding. It was 1088 01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:05.099 too late by then. As for when Sean will be back, 1089 01:08:05.139 --> 01:08:09.559 unless Sean comes back earlier, December 3rd, our next director 1090 01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:12.000 focus will be, this has been a long time coming. 1091 01:08:12.059 --> 01:08:14.380 This guy, I don't know why I waited this long. 1092 01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:17.479 When I started doing director focuses, like this was on 1093 01:08:17.500 --> 01:08:19.899 the shortlist of guys I wanted to do. And we 1094 01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:23.060 somehow got distracted by every other director and everything else. 1095 01:08:23.659 --> 01:08:27.340 But we are finally getting around to one of my, 1096 01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:30.350 if not my absolute favorite director of all time, probably 1097 01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:32.149 the guy that made me the film snob that I 1098 01:08:32.229 --> 01:08:35.130 am today, Quentin Tarantino. We're going to be looking at 1099 01:08:35.170 --> 01:08:37.369 one of my favorite movies of all time, Reservoir Dogs, 1100 01:08:37.470 --> 01:08:41.189 Pulp Fiction, and Inglourious Bastards. And if you're wondering, why 1101 01:08:41.229 --> 01:08:44.970 not Django Unchained? Because that deserves an on trial. It 1102 01:08:45.010 --> 01:08:47.310 does not deserve to be shoved in with two other movies. 1103 01:08:48.810 --> 01:08:50.909 Why not Kill Bill? Because that's two movies. 1104 01:08:51.899 --> 01:08:55.300 Yep. And I think we've... And we already talked about 1105 01:08:55.359 --> 01:08:56.020 Jackie Brown. 1106 01:08:56.260 --> 01:08:59.689 We did Jackie Brown. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood 1107 01:08:59.710 --> 01:09:02.439 was already... covered. The Hateful Eight was already covered. So 1108 01:09:02.939 --> 01:09:04.319 that narrowed the list down a bit. 1109 01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:07.250 Well, and besides, we wanted to get back to the 1110 01:09:07.310 --> 01:09:12.609 movies that were kind of the most quintessential Tarantino. And 1111 01:09:12.689 --> 01:09:14.930 when I think of movies that I would want to 1112 01:09:15.050 --> 01:09:18.609 show somebody to go... this is what you can really 1113 01:09:18.670 --> 01:09:22.560 expect if you decide to keep going. It would have 1114 01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:27.439 to be. I could see maybe someone preferring one or 1115 01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:33.260 the other over Inglorious Bastards, but quite frankly, I think 1116 01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:37.329 that one is about as Tarantino turned up to 11 1117 01:09:37.329 --> 01:09:38.289 as you can get. 1118 01:09:38.350 --> 01:09:42.569 There's an argument for Jango Unchained, but again, can I 1119 01:09:42.829 --> 01:09:45.550 spend 20 minutes talking about Inglorious Bastards and be satisfied 1120 01:09:45.569 --> 01:09:45.829 with that? 1121 01:09:46.149 --> 01:09:46.310 Yes. 1122 01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:48.880 Could I spend 20 minutes talking about Django Unchained and 1123 01:09:48.899 --> 01:09:53.159 be satisfied with it? Absolutely fucking not. Every frame of 1124 01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:55.220 that movie deserves discussion. 1125 01:09:55.880 --> 01:09:57.340 That's

such a great movie. 1126 01:09:58.479 --> 01:10:00.689 You know how often these days, I quote it in 1127 01:10:00.729 --> 01:10:04.630 therapy sessions, you know, when somebody's not making themselves clear 1128 01:10:04.670 --> 01:10:09.430 or they're being contradictory in their wants and needs, my 1129 01:10:09.510 --> 01:10:13.170 refrain is to repeat what the slave girl says in 1130 01:10:13.289 --> 01:10:15.739 Django Unchained. Well, then I don't know what you want, 1131 01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:18.500 Big Daddy. Let me tell you how that's become, like, 1132 01:10:18.579 --> 01:10:22.890 my line now. Because deep inside, I am a poor 1133 01:10:23.010 --> 01:10:28.489 black slave woman. So, with that bit of uncomfortableness out 1134 01:10:28.510 --> 01:10:31.510 of the way, yes, we'll be coming back at December 1135 01:10:31.750 --> 01:10:35.340 3rd for Quentin Tarantino, Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, and Inglorious Bastards. 1136 01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:37.659 That's what I got going on over here. What do 1137 01:10:37.680 --> 01:10:38.659 you got going on over there? 1138 01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:43.659 Well, as I told Martin before the show, I'm going 1139 01:10:43.699 --> 01:10:47.609 through a really hard time right now. So it's kind 1140 01:10:47.630 --> 01:10:49.329 of hard for me to keep a whole lot going. 1141 01:10:49.689 --> 01:10:54.390 Mostly I'm focusing on completing my education and navigating a 1142 01:10:54.430 --> 01:10:57.680 job that I am learning to hate just a little 1143 01:10:57.699 --> 01:11:01.359 bit more every day. But at the same time, it's 1144 01:11:01.420 --> 01:11:05.640 also got me wanting to keep myself out of that 1145 01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:12.130 depressive spiral by leaning into creativity. And with the recent 1146 01:11:12.449 --> 01:11:20.119 unfortunate passing of BioWare, Of course, the creators of Star Wars, 1147 01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:23.050 Knights of the Old Republic, Dragon Age, and my beloved 1148 01:11:23.069 --> 01:11:30.090 Mass Effect. I looked at the calendar and I realized, huh, 1149 01:11:30.550 --> 01:11:36.460 N7 day, the first N7 day without a Bioware falls 1150 01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:40.140 on a Saturday, which now happens to be one of 1151 01:11:40.180 --> 01:11:44.899 my ongoing days off every week. I got nothing going 1152 01:11:45.020 --> 01:11:49.279 on that day. And I think this might have been 1153 01:11:49.340 --> 01:11:50.960 the kick in the ass that I needed to get 1154 01:11:50.979 --> 01:11:54.800 me back streaming again. So I'm going to try. I'm 1155 01:11:54.939 --> 01:11:57.880 trying to kind of figure out the logistics of maybe 1156 01:11:57.899 --> 01:12:02.479 doing an all-day stream on Saturday. And it may be, 1157 01:12:03.020 --> 01:12:06.079 for the first time in years, I have not played 1158 01:12:06.100 --> 01:12:12.149 the games in years, the entire full original Mass Effect trilogy. 1159 01:12:12.810 --> 01:12:18.930 We'll get to Andromeda eventually. But... God, there were years 1160 01:12:18.970 --> 01:12:21.850 where that was a yearly event for me and I 1161 01:12:21.899 --> 01:12:25.119 haven't done it in so long because life got so 1162 01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:29.460 turbulent and sometimes so tragic. I feel like I need 1163 01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:32.779 that now more than ever. So I would say good chance, 1164 01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:38.329 probably sometime around 8 a.m. Central time on November 7th. Um, 1165 01:12:39.090 --> 01:12:41.329 address is right there on the screen. So no excuses, 1166 01:12:42.189 --> 01:12:46.140 you know where to be. Um, We will be starting 1167 01:12:46.180 --> 01:12:51.220 a completely fresh profile in the original Mass Effect, and 1168 01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:53.520 it may take several streams to do it. I guarantee 1169 01:12:53.550 --> 01:12:55.550 it will take several streams to do it. I can't 1170 01:12:55.590 --> 01:12:58.250 take that much time off work to do the entire 1171 01:12:58.270 --> 01:13:00.470 thing in one setting, and I'm not getting paid enough 1172 01:13:00.510 --> 01:13:04.350 to do that. But we are going to go through 1173 01:13:04.369 --> 01:13:06.250 the entire trilogy. 1174 01:13:07.329 --> 01:13:12.600 All right. Well, for Sean, I'm watching the Packers dominate 1175 01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:17.020 the Panthers. Be well, be safe, and behave. And happy Halloween, everybody. 1176 01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:27.960 Got to get, got to get, got to, got to go.