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00:04:14.800 As uh, and this this will be broader. 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:26.160 And if you understand this, it'll be interesting uh for for the uh other contexts, but it's especially needed to be understood by hunters, not the political side, the political process side. 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:28.959 I know people get all hung up on uh I hate politics. 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:30.240 Well, guess what? 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:32.319 Sorry, our hunting is politics. 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:33.279 It may suck. 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:34.480 I agree, you know. 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:35.360 I actually don't agree. 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:40.959 I actually I'm the one of the few people that likes politics, but you know, so so I want to I want to explain the process. 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:47.279 I was gonna get into uh West Virginia's open field doctrine and how we're making real changes here and actually getting laws passed. 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:49.120 And this is because of you guys. 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:54.000 But before I do it, I want to first explain why things don't get done. 00:04:54.240 --> 00:05:05.759 I'm here helping out a state rep in Ohio, and she said to me, she goes, Stephen, you you have more power than I do as a state legislator because I can put together a bill that 80% of people agree with. 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:07.199 I mean, think of the Save Act, right? 00:05:07.279 --> 00:05:07.920 Everybody agrees. 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:10.079 Uh this is a little different than Save Act, though. 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:15.680 What but if it can't get passed out of committee, it will never even come to a vote. 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:18.959 So what happens is a legislator will put put together this great bill, right? 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:23.600 Let's just say, just make an example, say open fields, because Ohio, there's zero protections on open fields. 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:29.360 If you live in Ohio, game wardens police, they're allowed to sneak onto your property, put up cameras on your property, spy on you. 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:36.399 They can hang out in your backyard at any time of day or night in a ghillie suit with binoculars spying on you. 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:40.560 That is 100% legal according to the state of Ohio. 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:42.240 It's called open fields doctrine. 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:46.879 Go back and listen to my open fields doctrine podcast if you want to know the details on that. 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:50.720 We need a lot of states are starting to put together changes like West Virginia. 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:53.680 But let's say Heidi put together this great bill, right? 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:56.319 And we all agree with it, even all the state reps agree with it. 00:05:56.639 --> 00:06:01.360 But there's money pressure from the game wardens. 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:02.800 This is going on in Texas. 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:04.240 I'll get into that later. 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:09.360 But let's say that there's there's political donations and pressure put on the speaker of the House, right? 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:11.120 And he pushes it into a committee. 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:12.319 This is how it works. 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:15.600 You write a bill, it has to go through, go to a committee. 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:19.519 Whoever's the chair of the committee decides if that bill even gets a hearing. 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:24.399 One person can kill a bill that everybody supports. 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:32.639 Now, when there's political pressure put on these politicians, and these committee chairs, well, they want to keep their seats too. 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:34.800 So what do they do? 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:38.639 They have to listen if there's political pressure put on them. 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:40.639 And that's exactly where I'm pushing. 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:51.519 And the reason why I'm pushing on West Virginia, because JB Akers, who actually I've I've had multiple conversations with him, head of the House Judiciary Committee, very important person out there, very smart guy, by the way. 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:53.920 I talked to this guy, very, very sharp. 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:55.360 Very, he's an he's an attorney. 00:06:55.439 --> 00:07:05.920 And if you've ever talked to attorneys, it's it's it's it's it's a fun conversation if you like people that are, I don't want to say anything bad about the guy, but attorneys are just, I mean, they're the worst. 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:06.639 They're the worst. 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:14.160 And I'm not talking about JB specific, sorry, delegate acres specifically, but it's it's it's fun for me to talk to these guys. 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:21.199 Now, if if back to my point, if you're not putting pressure on the committees, the bill doesn't get a hearing. 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:24.000 Once you get the bill to get a hearing, that committee votes. 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:25.040 So say there's 10 members. 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:25.759 We're gonna make this easy. 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:31.839 Let's say there's let's say there's 11 members of the DNR committee, a bill is brought forward that everybody agrees with. 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:37.920 First hurdle is making sure that you get people to actually pick up the bill. 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:45.040 So once the bill gets picked up for a hearing, they'll they'll have cut people come in and testify. 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:51.360 The committee, those 11 people will sit there and listen and ask questions, and then they'll decide and they'll vote. 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:55.839 Hey, do we pass this bill through committee for a vote on the House floor? 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:58.800 Or do we do we kill the bill? 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.920 So in in we're gonna use West Virginia as an example. 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:04.240 They had no rules around their open fields doctrine. 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:10.399 There were cases of game wardens, police using cameras

to spy on people on their private lands. 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:16.560 And so they put together a bill that said, hey, we're gonna, we're gonna stop that from happening. 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:21.519 Now, JB Akers could have very simply said, no, no, no, no, no. 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:24.959 I'm not even gonna let this bill come to a hearing because he makes the schedule. 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:28.720 And then the bill's dead, even though we all agree with this stuff, right? 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:30.399 That's the political process. 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:31.680 That's step one. 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:38.080 And I'm gonna bet that you've never heard another punting podcast or probably even political podcast talk about this. 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:44.399 But unless you understand the system and you know where to put pressure, you won't get anything done. 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:51.200 Now, I'm gonna take a step back again to, you know, I'm I'm actually a campaign manager here in Ohio for a state rep. 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:58.240 And it is, I'm working with her to understand this process so that I can put pressure in the right places. 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:04.799 Like she said, you have more political power than I do because if you put all this pressure, people want to get re-elected. 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:07.279 They're going to make sure that that bill gets a hearing. 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:07.759 Okay. 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:09.759 So now we're to the hearing part, right? 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:11.759 That we put together a good bill first. 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.960 The pressure needs to be put to make sure it comes to a hearing. 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:18.240 And then you have to put pressure on the whole committee, right? 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:21.919 And then generally with the open field stuff, you have more Republicans and Democrats. 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:28.480 Republicans and Democrats agree that police and game warden shouldn't be spying on you with cameras or hiding in your backyard without a warrant. 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:30.879 Like this is not, this is a bipartisan issue. 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:33.519 It should be easy to get change to happen. 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:35.120 But there's money involved. 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:38.480 And, you know, there's a big donation that's given to the speaker. 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:45.360 The speaker sends the bill through a committee where he controls the guy in charge of it and says, hey, don't put this for a hearing. 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:50.240 We're getting too much money from the game wardens or the police unions or whatever it is. 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:52.159 Now I'm I'm pro-police. 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:56.559 You know, I'm back the blue for sure, but also get a warrant. 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:00.000 Now, this bill gets all right. 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:04.240 Let me see if I can sum this up in a way that makes this easy to understand. 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:06.320 Bill gets written, good bill. 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:08.799 Now we've gotten pressure put on the committee chair. 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:10.159 He brings it up for a hearing. 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:14.480 Now we put pressure on the whole committee saying, hey guys, I'm gonna be watching you. 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:19.840 Whoever votes for or against this, because open fields doctrine specifically is really easy. 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:22.399 You know, Democrats and Republicans are both gonna vote for this. 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:33.840 So, okay, and if you don't vote for it, I'm going to put your face online for millions of views saying this person did this, right? 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:36.159 Most of these people don't want that heat. 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:38.080 Politics is a pressure game. 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:46.159 If you're not putting pressure on politicians, they're not gonna take up your bill, they're not gonna vote for your bill, they're just not going to care. 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:55.840 Now, what we're doing here, I I wrote a I wrote a bad article about I wrote an article that was very critical of JB Akers, and we're gonna get into that next. 00:10:56.159 --> 00:11:03.039 But with this bill, specifically in West Virginia, he pushed it through committee, it got vote, then it goes to an overall House vote. 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:04.799 Well, now you can hold everybody accountable. 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:09.200 The problem is a lot of politicians sit back and go, I didn't vote for or against that. 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:10.960 I didn't even get to vote on that. 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:14.240 You know, and and and that's a fair statement. 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:20.399 A lot of politicians, like the politician I'm helping, she's like, oh, if there was an open fields bill that came, I 100% I'm voting. 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:23.840 I'm all for private land rights. 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:25.440 I'm all for privacy rights. 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:30.240 I support the Constitution, which is what open fields is generally obviously. 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:31.600 Open fields, Fourth Amendment. 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:34.639 Again, go listen to that podcast so that you can understand it. 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:42.879 Um, it's a great podcast explaining exactly what open fields doctrine is the the Fourth Amendment, the Ninth Amendment, how it applies, why it's good legislation. 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:45.360 It's a couple podcasts, but it's from a few weeks ago. 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:46.879 It's pretty easy to find. 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:52.559 So they in in in West Virginia, they got this bill passed, right? 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:53.279 This is good. 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:56.240 But it doesn't completely eliminate open fields doctrine. 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.639 It just stops them from putting cameras on your property. 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:04.879 JB Akers, the head of the Judiciary Committee, did push it through, but he didn't do everything that I

wanted, right? 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:06.240 Like I'm not gonna pretend like he did. 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:07.759 I'm not even gonna pretend like I know. 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:09.679 Well, I think we kind of agree now. 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:16.320 But he he put forward a bill and said, hey, we're just gonna take up this one, this one bill. 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:20.080 We're just gonna take up this one part of Open Fields doctrine, not the whole thing. 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:21.200 And I didn't like that. 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:24.480 And for me personally, that made me mad. 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:29.440 So I want to first first make it clear that we are making a difference. 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:30.080 All right. 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:32.799 That that these people, I'm getting numerous calls. 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:41.840 I've received uh three phone calls today, two phone calls yesterday from either state represent state delegates in West Virginia or state senators, um, and one person that was high up in the DNR. 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:43.519 I I gotta keep some of these names private. 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:44.879 I I'll talk about some of them. 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:49.120 Uh, you know, I'm still figuring out where, you know, what what is the right thing for me to do? 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:56.080 You know, like should if somebody calls me confidentially, you know, if they say something confidential, I don't want to, you know, because I want people to keep calling me. 00:12:56.240 --> 00:13:01.679 I also don't want to, you know, kind of just give in to them and be like, yeah, I'm not gonna talk about all this stuff you're telling me. 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:10.240 I just I don't, you know, I'm I'm learning, I have to come up with my own morals in this uh arena because I'm not a trained journalist. 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:11.919 And quite frankly, journalists suck. 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:14.159 So I don't really want to hold to their morals. 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:16.159 That'd be, I think that's a mistake too. 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:20.799 Um, but anyways, so I'm getting these calls, we're making a difference. 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:22.879 They are being pressured. 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:26.960 JB Akers didn't give us everything we wanted. 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:27.440 Okay. 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:29.600 I'm not gonna sugarcoat that for him. 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:32.000 He did give us a big win. 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:36.000 I talked with uh uh delegate uh Horst just a little bit ago. 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:37.039 I will say his name. 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:37.840 Great guy. 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:41.519 He's a big proponent of the Fourth Amendment, big proponent of freedoms. 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:42.480 I mean, this this guy's great. 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:49.200 I mean, he's everything you want in a state rep as a hunter, as a pro-freedom person, as somebody who believes in the Constitution, he's what you want. 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:51.039 Uh I will give this guy credit. 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:57.679 You know, what he said to me was you know, JB's a good guy, I like him, we don't agree on everything, but he gave you a first down. 00:13:57.840 --> 00:13:59.200 He gave you a couple first downs. 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:00.799 This was this was his analogy. 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:02.639 He goes, he didn't give us a touchdown. 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:09.279 Uh he didn't throw an 80-yard touchdown pass, but he gave us three or four first downs here, and we're driving down the field. 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:18.240 And so do you want to use, do you do you want to be critical of him here, or do you want to give him credit and let him keep getting us first downs till we get what we want? 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:20.399 And I think that's an important lesson to learn. 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:31.039 And the comparison I would make, because I'm a very libertarian guy on the I'm on the right side of the aisle, generally on economic issues, you know, freedom, I want to be left alone, that kind of thing. 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:41.679 Uh, but JB, yeah, or not JB, but I guess the the comparison I'd make would be like uh two politicians I like, Rand Paul and Thomas Massey. 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:42.080 All right. 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:45.120 Thomas Massey, I agree with him on almost everything, right? 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:49.759 Like he's the libertarian guy, you know, cut the spending, pro-freedom, America first. 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:51.519 Like he's he's all these things. 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:53.360 I I'm just I'm all for it. 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:58.000 But he was an incredibly ineffective legislator. 00:14:58.799 --> 00:14:59.840 I hate to say it. 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:01.519 I'd have voted for the guy. 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:06.960 But instead of getting things done, he decided to go online and complain constantly. 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:09.919 I don't like that Trump kind of, you know, pushed him out personally. 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:10.639 I don't like that. 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:13.519 But at the same time, he wasn't getting things done. 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:17.360 He was not willing to use his political power to get first downs. 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:21.200 He said, either you throw a touchdown, I'm one vote. 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:24.480 So if you if you write the bills the way that I want them, you're gonna get two or three votes. 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:25.440 They're never going to pass. 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:28.320 But you either get me a touchdown or nothing. 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:32.799 I'm not going to accept you driving down the field with first downs and getting the touchdown later. 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:33.919 I'm not going to accept that. 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:35.200 And I think that's a mistake. 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:40.639 Rand Paul, on the other hand, especially in the first term of Trump, he would argue with Trump, and Trump would go at him online,

right? 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:43.759 Like he was like criticizing him, you know, Rand Paul's ugly, Rand Paul sucks, right? 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:44.720 He did his thing. 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:48.240 And then, you know, Rand Paul would be like, I'm not budging, I'm not budging. 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:55.919 And then they would come together, they would have a meeting, and Trump would move that bill 5% in his direction. 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:56.399 Right? 00:15:56.559 --> 00:15:57.679 He's just one vote. 00:15:57.919 --> 00:16:01.440 He used his political power to move the bill in the right direction. 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:02.639 And then he had the vote. 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:05.120 He didn't get the touchdown, but he said, you know what? 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:06.639 I don't like this bill right now. 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:09.200 I think that this bill, like, we need to get a first down on this play. 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:10.240 Let me get a first down. 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:22.399 And if we want to get more and more first downs, we want to get more and more touchdowns, we need to elect more politicians like Rand Paul, like JB Akers, like Horst, like Heidi Workman. 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:25.519 We have these people around the country that are getting us first downs. 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:31.200 And so I, for the third time ever, took down an article I wrote. 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:33.440 Because I don't, I don't, I don't take down articles. 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:42.399 If I I'll correct things, I'll say I was wrong, I'll do all that, but I don't take things down because even if I get something wrong, that should hang on my shoulders. 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:45.519 That's that's just that's just that's who I am. 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:50.879 I took down the article that was critical of JB Akers because he didn't give us the touchdown. 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:52.159 He gave us the first downs. 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:53.200 And I thought about it. 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:55.919 I talked, he called me, called me, wasn't happy. 00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:58.159 Not super nice either, by the way. 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:04.720 I tend to not take too kindly when somebody's really yelling at me and being very critical, even if, yes, I disagree with them on some things. 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:18.799 But uh, I did feel that where this social media platform has gotten with Rack Junkies, the Sportsman Party, Aaron over there's doing a fantastic job pushing, you know, the the news side of this as well, uh, the hunting news page, the long. 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.039 I mean, I we got we got a we got massive reach. 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:25.680 We average uh my goal is four billion views this month this year on uh Facebook. 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:27.039 So over 300 million a month. 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:28.160 That's the goal. 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:33.920 If we're gonna use that to get first downs, we need to give credit where credit's due. 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:35.039 Aaron said this to me the other day. 00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:37.920 He goes, you know, a politician is like a dog. 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:40.319 When they like a puppy. 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:45.039 When they go outside and they go pee, you give them a little Scooby snack. 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:47.599 And when they pee on the floor, you rub their nose in it. 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:49.119 And that's what politicians are like. 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:55.200 And I I really like that analogy because JB Akers gave us the win. 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:57.519 Why am I being critical? 00:17:58.079 --> 00:17:59.759 Now he's not done. 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:01.519 But he got the first down. 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:05.279 You don't you don't yell at your quarterback for getting first downs, do you? 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:07.039 He got us a first down. 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:12.720 And by the way, in our conversation, he said that he wants those other things passed as well. 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:21.920 So now when I have a seat at the table and I can talk to him and I can be the conduit for the people listening to this, for the people that are, you know, obviously liking and sharing my posts. 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:22.640 I hate saying that. 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:24.720 I like and subscribe, you know, millennial things. 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:39.119 Like, like, but you guys do that, and it does make a difference because when content goes viral, positive, you know, carrot, or negative, the stick, it puts pressure on politicians to actually represent the hunting community. 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:49.359 And I think that that's that's important here in West Virginia because now I have all these people calling me from West Virginia saying, hey, look, we're gonna get you some more first downs. 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:50.319 We're working on this. 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:51.440 This is going to happen. 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:53.359 I love the fact that you're doing this. 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:57.599 Politicians call me all the time, hey, we love that you're putting pressure on the Fourth Amendment stuff. 00:18:57.680 --> 00:18:58.960 We love the open fields pressure. 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:01.039 It's helping us get things passed. 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:15.279 And it's it's I I think that I'm not seeing anybody else get in, get anything passed because the new, I mean, quite frankly, Rack Junkies, the Sportsman Party, we kind of create the news in the hunting industry now. 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:19.359 I mean, you have a few others, like like Steve Rennell, a meat eater, he he does a little bit. 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:23.440 Um but other than that, wide open spaces doesn't. 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:26.960 You know, I grew up watching, reading their magazine, reading their stuff. 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:29.359 You know, they didn't figure out the social media thing. 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:31.759 You know, I think they're good people over there for the most

part, I think. 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:32.640 I don't really remember. 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:34.480 Uh, you know, Field and Stream. 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:37.599 How many how many bills is Field and Stream getting pushed through? 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:38.720 Zero? 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:42.559 When was the last time you read a Field and Stream article? 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:43.920 I don't remember. 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:46.000 As a kid, decades ago. 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:47.440 I don't read magazines anymore. 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:48.400 Nope, none of us do. 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:49.839 They're barely even online. 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:51.599 They don't they don't push hardly anything. 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:53.599 Their their social media game's horrible. 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:55.759 Uh outdoor life. 00:19:55.920 --> 00:20:01.599 Outdoor life is very much a they're actually a very left-wing hunting organization. 00:20:01.759 --> 00:20:02.559 If that's you, that's fine. 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:03.839 I mean, that's that's your position. 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:05.759 They they do they do a little bit. 00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:12.079 Uh, but I I find them the only ones that are effective at all, really, but not very. 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:16.160 You go go look at their numbers, they're they're not really pushing the ball forward. 00:20:16.720 --> 00:20:29.440 So we need as a hunting community to come together through debate, through disagreement, and make sure that we are getting tangible changes. 00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:31.920 Now, here's something else that I've noticed. 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:39.039 When I send an article that I'm about to post to a state-level politician, I get a call back within 24 hours. 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:41.359 And it would blow you away. 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:43.279 People know who I am now. 00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:49.279 You know, I have contacts inside of a lot of these state legislatures, and I'll send them something like, hey, I'm getting ready to write an article on this guy. 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:50.640 I'm sending him an email, you know. 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:52.480 I just want I just want to make sure that they get it. 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:53.519 I want to be fair. 00:20:53.599 --> 00:21:00.000 I want to make sure that they see that I'm gonna be critical of them or I'm gonna praise them, you know, and and within 24 hours I'm getting phone calls. 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:02.960 Hey, let me talk about that. 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:06.160 Well, here's the pressure campaign I was talking about. 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:07.680 You know, for good and bad. 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:10.240 Carrot or stick, both sides of this. 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:13.039 I write a bad article about somebody saying, hey, call me up. 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:14.000 Tell me where I'm wrong. 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:22.720 I'm more than willing to hear how you're gonna push this legislation forward and make tangible changes that hunters can

put their that they can actually, that we can actually hold. 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:26.960 We can say, hey, we're no longer allowed to have cameras on our properties. 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:29.599 Hey, corner crossing is legal. 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:34.160 Hey, you know, uh, we're gonna, we're gonna put protections in place for drones. 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:36.799 We're oh, the CWD stuff that's screwing you over. 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:42.079 Yeah, actually, we're going to be limiting what they're allowed to do here because the science doesn't back it up. 00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:47.759 Now, obviously, the CWD thing, I'm not gonna get in into it on this podcast. 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:51.920 I have previous podcasts on it that you can go back and listen to. 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:55.119 Um, because again, this podcast does kind of build on itself a little bit. 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:56.079 I'm noticing that. 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:02.319 Now I, you know, as I as I get better at podcasting, um Hopefully the people listening to this understand the CWD debate. 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:04.000 And if not, you know, follow Rack Chunkies. 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:05.680 You're gonna you're gonna learn a lot quick. 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:14.720 The other thing I've noticed is that to the point of all of the pressure and the fact that we make hunting news is that I get sent stuff all the time. 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:16.640 I get sent YouTube videos, right? 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:19.279 I don't really post much on YouTube other than this podcast. 00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:24.000 And what happens is I will see people talking about me. 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:24.960 Right? 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:34.880 They're talking about like, oh, oh, you know, hey, look at this CWE thing, look at this open fields thing, look at this uh corner crossing thing, look at these dumb, look at look at all of this wasted money inside of our game agencies. 00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:36.960 And they're making videos on it. 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:42.559 And sometimes they they use my name, sometimes they dance around it, sometimes they cite me directly. 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:43.680 Same thing with TikTok. 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:45.440 I got a TikTok video the other day. 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:46.799 I forget who it was. 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:57.599 Um, but he but I mean it had like 10,000 likes on the video, it had maybe close to a million views, and it was all talking about CWD, and it had my article right there pinned on there, saying, hey, look, this is what I read. 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:00.640 This is this is where I'm getting some of this information from. 00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:06.240 So obviously, this is expanding beyond just Facebook and other platforms. 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:13.279 It's expanding to the state legislatures, and we have their attention, but we have to keep their attention. 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:14.880 Now, how do we do that? 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:17.680 This is you know, obviously viral content. 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:21.200 You guys, you guys make make all of that happen. 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:28.880 But that brings me to my the third part of this uh podcast is the debate. 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:31.200 Debate's good, disagreements good. 00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:40.559 We got we gotta get past this whole this this really dumb narrative of well, if we disagree or we argue about something, all we're doing is giving the anti's ammunition. 00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:41.759 It's like, what? 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:43.839 What? 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:51.039 Oh, if if you guys argue over crossbows versus compounds, man, the anti's are gonna get us. 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:54.079 Like this is this is a super popular thing to say online. 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:58.240 You guys are disagreeing over CWD. 00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:02.480 You're you're critical of the game agencies, you're critical of the politicians. 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:04.319 The anti's are coming for us. 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:05.920 That's I hear this all the time. 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:07.599 You can see it in the comments constantly. 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:17.359 That might be the most incoherent, illogical, stupid thing that anybody in the hunting community is saying right now. 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:19.519 Debate is good. 00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:22.559 How do we get to better opinions if we don't debate them? 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:23.680 Guess what? 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:25.759 I've been wrong about things in the past. 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:27.519 You've been wrong about things in the past. 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:30.000 We're probably we're we're wrong about things right now. 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:35.200 We have un we have opinions that are not fully formed on lots of different topics. 00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:48.160 How are we ever going to win if we don't have one, calling out the bad behavior in the hunting community, and two, at least debating and coming to some level of agreement? 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:56.720 I'm married, I've been married a long time, and and you know, I can't just, you know, if me and my wife have an argument, it doesn't go away if we disagree on something. 00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.359 It doesn't get better by ignoring it. 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:01.119 Tell me, in fact, think about this. 00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:06.559 What problems in your life have gotten better from ignoring them? 00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:14.480 What things have you disagreed with your spouse or your parents or or your or anybody where there's a major disagreement? 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:20.799 What has ever gotten better by burying your head in the sand? 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:21.680 They don't. 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:22.640 They get worse. 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:24.160 They fester actually. 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:36.079 So not only are they wrong when they say, hey, you gotta stop disagreeing on you gotta stop disagreeing with each other because you're

giving anti-hunters ammunition, not only are they wrong, the exact opposite is true. 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:40.240 In fact, they couldn't be that it it's it's not even just being wrong. 00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:41.680 You know, I've been wrong before. 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:45.599 It's that what you're saying is the exact opposite of truth. 00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:48.880 We have to have the debates. 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:51.599 And we're gonna have them in obviously a respectful manner. 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:52.640 I try to do that. 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:57.039 I'm guilty sometimes of being, you know, a little condescending from time to time. 00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:59.599 Not gonna pretend that that's not true occasionally. 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:03.119 I mean, if you follow me on Rack Junkies, you'll know that. 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:08.960 But I will say, I'm gonna try and get better. 00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:11.039 Uh we we still have to have the discussions. 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:16.880 So I put out a post about this the other day, you know, because there was a there was a specific podcast, uh, Southern You. 00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:20.160 They they they were talking about open fields doctrine and they they disagreed with me. 00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:21.279 It's just fine. 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:34.400 Uh, and it was basically a big long podcast about, you know, them saying, I understand both sides, I get it, I understand property rights, I understand it, but we really need to be able to put cameras on your property and sneak around in geely suits and spy on you. 00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:38.960 I might be over exaggerating how they said it a little bit, but that was the crux of their position. 00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:43.920 Now, they never explained why at all. 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:48.400 They never once explained, like they never gave the the landowner side. 00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:50.559 There's like, we get it, but believe us. 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:50.799 Right? 00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:52.799 It was it was incoherent at best. 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:55.839 It was it was you know full of straw man arguments. 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:59.200 It was very uh I was I was very unimpressed with the the debate. 00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:02.640 And it about the 50-minute mark, they start talking about me. 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:11.440 You know, they're like, oh, this guy calls himself an outdoor writer, whatever that means, you know, with millions of views in his echo chamber. 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:14.960 Like, wait, my echo chamber millions of views in an echo chamber? 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:15.119 What? 00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:17.440 Hundreds of millions of views a month. 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:18.079 Echo chamber? 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:21.119 Have you fought have you have you looked at the comment section? 00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:25.599 My page is full of people who disagree with me. 00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:27.279 Full of them. 00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:33.839 In

fact, I engage with the people who disagree with me so that their comments go to the top so that people can see their points of view too. 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:36.160 Because I believe in debate. 00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:38.880 Now, I did reach out to them and say, hey, you want to have me on? 00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:39.680 Let's talk about it. 00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:41.279 We can do this in a respectful way. 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:45.599 You know, if you're gonna talk about me on your podcast, at least say my name and, you know, and invite me on. 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:46.640 Let's let's have this discussion. 00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:48.400 You know, maybe maybe I am wrong about a few things. 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:49.920 Maybe I haven't considered a few points. 00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:53.279 A debate there would be helpful for both of us. 00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:55.759 But I haven't heard back yet. 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:57.839 You know, it was about four or five days ago. 00:27:57.920 --> 00:27:58.799 I've messaged them. 00:27:58.960 --> 00:27:59.680 They've seen the message. 00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:02.880 You can tell when somebody's seen the message on Facebook, still, still no response. 00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:09.039 Um, but then again, most people, when they disagree, won't come on. 00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:11.920 Which brings me to what I'm doing with this podcast. 00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:13.119 I am setting it up. 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.920 In fact, I just set it up today to have guests on. 00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:20.480 Problem is that the guests that I want to have on are people who disagree with me. 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:22.640 I want to have people on that say, hey, you know what? 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:24.400 I think you're wrong about CWD. 00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:25.200 Okay, okay. 00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:31.680 And shout out to Jason Sumners, the one, the single person who ever came and did an interview with me who disagreed with me. 00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:33.119 He's the only one so far. 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:39.200 And now, you know, and and I've trust me, I've I've contacted scientists, I've contacted, I've contacted so many people. 00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:45.359 I've put so many posts out there with tens of millions of views saying, hey, if you disagree, call me, message me. 00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:51.200 I've had one other scientist ever reach out, and turned out we agreed on 90% of the issues. 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:54.960 And and in fact, half of the things we disagreed on, she was actually right. 00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:55.359 Right. 00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:57.119 And I wrote some follow-up articles on that. 00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:57.920 Like, yeah, you know what? 00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:01.920 I overstated this one thing, and the people who are mad at me actually do have a point here. 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:03.039 I wrote a follow-up article. 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:04.160 I think that's important. 00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:08.160 But that's what this podcast is going to turn into. 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:08.880 I want debates. 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:10.559 I want people on that disagree with me. 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:12.079 I want some people on that agree with me too. 00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:16.880 You know, some people that have maybe some information that I don't have, maybe are more of an expert in an area than I am. 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:24.480 You know, I do dig, dig really deep into a topic uh before I start top talking about it, read the bills, read the science. 00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:32.160 You know, I spend most of my day reading government documents, court cases, um, you know, Supreme Court decisions, uh, you know, laws that have been passed. 00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:36.880 That, that, the, you know, the actual, you know, uh scientific research itself. 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:39.519 You know, I have scientists who send me their stuff. 00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:40.720 Uh, you know, Dr. 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:42.720 Christopher Seaberry, brilliant guy. 00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:45.519 He every time he gets a new study out, he's like, he's like, sends it to me. 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:46.799 He's like, hey, here you go. 00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:50.000 You know and it takes me a takes me a little while to understand his stuff. 00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.240 But uh, you know, I dig into it. 00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:56.079 And I I want to have those type of discussions on here. 00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:10.880 I want to have a robust, um, very uh, you know, I don't want to say controversial, but controversial discussion on these things because that's how we're gonna get to a more uh united front. 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:24.079 And we're gonna get, you know, away from and we're gonna we're gonna pick out some of the bad things happening in our community and bring people together around them, kind of like I feel that I've done with all of this grant spending, where there's just tens of millions of dollars that are just wasted. 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:26.960 I mean, just stolen from the hunting community. 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:34.640 Every ordinary guy out there, unless you're part of the industry, you're like it's it's completely on my side on this, right? 00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:38.960 And so, you know, we are united, but it is the average guy versus the industry on this. 00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:45.519 So I think that we need to, and you tell me what you think uh about that and about how we should have these discussions. 00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:47.039 I want to hear from you guys. 00:30:47.279 --> 00:31:00.720 I think that covers everything, but again, want to give a special shout out to the politicians helping us, like JB Akers, like delegate uh horst, uh like state rep Heidi Workman, like, you know, um, oh, there's a guy in Pennsylvania. 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:02.400 Um, I forget his name. 00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:03.839 But anyways, I get calls. 00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:06.000 I get calls from

too many people to even remember. 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:07.599 I have notes. 00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:10.720 Uh, but we're gonna make some tangible changes that we can hold our hats on. 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:13.519 We have a couple of them right now, but that's not enough for me. 00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:19.359 I want to see open fields doctrine put common sense laws in place across the country. 00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:41.039 I want corner crossing to have so much pressure that judges and politicians go, hey, you know, like like Republicans in in Montana that are, you know, being just absolutely showered with money and and hunts to, you know, Governor Gene Forte hunts on some land from somebody that's, you know, very connected to the Montana Outfitters and Guides Association. 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:44.960 And he magically is against the corner crossing thing. 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:51.279 I think that it needs to be, there needs to be laws around these things, but we have to put pressure on our politicians. 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:54.160 And I know some people don't like, you know what? 00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:59.519 I shouldn't even say, I shouldn't say that people don't like the politics when it comes to hunting, because I think increasingly they do. 00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:10.319 Because people increasingly understand that while we like to be left alone, if we don't get involved in politics, like the founding fathers did, they won't leave us alone. 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:13.039 They will continue to infringe on our freedoms. 00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.559 The real threat isn't disagreement amongst each other. 00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:17.920 That's the solution. 00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:22.640 The real threat are politicians that don't listen to you. 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:27.839 Anti-hunters to a certain extent, but I'm very much not worried about them. 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:36.079 It's our own game agencies, it's our own politicians, and it's people not getting involved. 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.079 So I'm gonna be involved. 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:40.960 Please like these posts, share them, just read them. 00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:43.279 Even just spending the time to read them helps them go viral. 00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:46.640 And when we put pressure on politicians, you don't even have to like it, share it. 00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:48.240 Just because I know some people don't like doing that. 00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:50.319 Just like the post, you know, or read it. 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:50.960 Just take the time. 00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:53.119 If you sit on that post and read it, it actually does help. 00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.160 Um, Facebook goes, oh, people are paying enough attention to read. 00:32:56.240 --> 00:33:06.640 You know, that's probably the biggest tick in the algorithm now is when people will sit there and actually spend the time to read to understand something, whether they agree with it or not, Facebook goes, Oh, well, people care about

this. 00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:07.920 And I think that's good. 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:09.680 And I'm trying to use it for good. 00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:11.359 I'm open to criticism. 00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:28.319 And again, if anybody who disagrees with me wants to come on, similar to how Charlie Kirk did things, when he would go to his obviously, I'm not comparing myself to him, way smarter, way wiser, way, you know, I'm not comparing myself there, but to the extent that he would say, People who disagree with me, come to the front of the line. 00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:30.000 You ask your questions first. 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:36.799 Well, people who disagree with me, you guys come to the front of the line and let's do a podcast together. 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:41.359 I genuinely want to have these discussions. 00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:43.920 And it is very difficult. 00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:49.200 It's difficult to find somebody who's an expert in something because I don't want, I don't like, there's look, there's a lot of idiots. 00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:59.359 You know, I don't want just some, I mean, it wouldn't be fair to say the CWD crowd, because there's a couple of real idiots on CWD that that are on the opposite side of me that that I could have on. 00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:04.079 I want I want somebody that's like actually educated on the on on like really to have a good debate. 00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:05.759 So I'm gonna be doing that. 00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:12.559 I know I had some people on that post, you know, like Spook Span said, hey, come on, you know, that's that's a guy that I would love to talk to. 00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:18.559 Um what was there's a couple, um, there's a couple podcasts I'm going on now, but um, there's some anti-hunters. 00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:19.440 Uh that's the other thing. 00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.880 I'm going to have, I have a couple of anti-hunters that said that they would come on. 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:24.480 This is the this is the crazy thing. 00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:31.679 Our own community won't debate me about topics we disagree on, even though they already know what I think about them. 00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:38.000 They they can prepare, they can read all my posts, they can listen to my podcast, they can get every argument that I have and prepare for it. 00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:42.000 And I know little to nothing about them, and they won't do it. 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:43.920 But anti-hunters will come on. 00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.400 I have anti-hunters going, nah, let's let's talk. 00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:48.079 Isn't that crazy? 00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:54.480 Why why are why are anti-hunters have more stones than the hunters who disagree with me? 00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:57.199 I can't, for the life of me, wrap my head around that. 00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:57.920 You know? 00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.559 Um, politicians, I'm gonna start calling out politicians. 00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:01.360 You guys have seen me do that. 00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:04.480 I'll plaster someone's face all over social media and say, hey, good job. 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:08.400 And that's that's again, you know, politicians are like puppies. 00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:10.400 So say good job or rub their nose in it. 00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.360 And when politicians don't do the things we want, they need called out. 00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:14.960 So I'm doing my best. 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:17.199 Um, let me know what you think of this podcast. 00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:24.400 I've got to go do some campaigning now because I am a campaign manager and it's a lot of work on top of what I'm already doing. 00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:25.920 But we need a seat at the table. 00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:28.880 I assure you guys agree with me, disagree with me. 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:29.840 That's all fine. 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:39.119 But I am getting us a seat at the table inside, talking with the people that are making the rules, making the laws that we have to follow. 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:41.280 So let's get involved. 00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:42.559 Let me know what you think. 00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:44.960 Um be a millennial friend of my podcast again. 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:46.159 Like and subscribe.