I see dead features! 💀 (#97)의 전체 녹취록

platform-based podcasts, found ours, absolutely loves it. 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:38.079 So you know, big shout out and and well done. 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:41.600 Keep keep on walking, keep walking, keep walking. 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:42.480 Exactly. 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:43.680 And it was really cool. 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:45.519 And of course, I saw a lot of I saw you. 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:47.040 Um, we we hung out for a day. 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:56.160 You ruined me eating any kind of store-bought or canned mushrooms ever again because you uh you went foraging for mushrooms and they were amazing. 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:02.800 And but all of that being said, uh, it was a great trip, but it's great to be back home and great to look forward. 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:07.600 And just you know, taking a look at the news and things coming up. 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:10.720 Uh, did anything happen in the last few weeks? 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:13.040 Like, no, nothing particular. 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:20.160 I think actually this time around, it's a bit funny because usually what we have is like, ah, announcement this, announcement this, this is new, this is new. 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:25.040 And this time it's like, uh, this is going away, this is going away, this is going away, and then this is going away. 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:27.439 So it's kind of the opposite of what we usually do. 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:31.199 Welcome to Power Platform Deprecation Podcast. 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:32.319 Almost. 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:38.800 And I was thinking too, because if this is like uh this will be the last episode before Halloween, it's almost like we should do a Halloween theme. 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:43.120 And like, and I kind of you saw it in the notes, I said, I see dead features. 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:49.199 So And yeah, but you've been yeah, you want to pick the first one? 00:05:49.680 --> 00:06:09.040 Yeah, so the the it's funny because we were talking earlier about because you know, as you know, we being responsible journalists or whatever you call podcasters that we are, we want to make sure that we have the right links in the show notes to redirect people back to more or less to prove that we're not talking crap that we actually do, you know, following. 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:12.160 We're not just making this up. 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:19.360 But the the big one was vibe vibe.powerapps.com and app builder are are dead. 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:23.519 How we know this is official because there was something in the message center. 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:30.879 And a few community folks like Yuka and Hooting and a few others in their newsletters and blogs, Josh Cook as well, mentioned these things. 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:49.600 However, from Microsoft themselves, there was no big announcement about it beyond if you go into vibe.powerapps into the documentation, it basically kind of tells you hey, start building apps uh within Cowork or Copilot

or the Copilot Studio app builder trying to steer people. 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:58.160 And then there's also a migration kit or migration path to get people off because vibe.powerapps.com, I believe, is going away at the end of November. 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:01.519 So they're pulling the pin awful fast on these things. 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:08.000 And it makes sense because at the end of the day, vibe.powerapps was announced, I believe, last year. 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:20.079 And it was the way that you could go in, describe the app that you wanted to be built, and it would build a essentially build a code app, the same as you would build a code app within Visual Studio Code, but this is sort of a front end to it. 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:22.560 Of course, you couldn't edit the code. 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:23.839 It was very limited. 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:27.519 You could only stick to Dataverse, which is fine, and a few other things. 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:32.959 And it quit receiving updates, I think, last April, and they quit really talking about it. 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:52.399 So I think overall it was a bit of probably a bit of a placeholder for them to get to where they are now, because of course they needed to be shown on the market, especially where there's other vendors like Replit and Lovable and a few others to show that yes, we do have an agentic coding tool as well where you can describe and build apps. 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:56.079 Um, and so basically it came and it's on its way out. 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:59.120 Was this something that you ever built for yourself? 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:04.800 Or did you actually use vibe.power apps in any client or proof of concepts at all? 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:07.279 We actually did training on Vibe. 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:14.079 So we had a few customer days and a few training sessions where we used Vibe to get people started. 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:24.800 And as one of the kind of entry points into Microsoft ecosystem, from as you said, like Replit or uh yeah, Lovable or any of the other ones, uh Brussel, this one would be used a lot. 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:36.000 So the interesting thing thing now is that Replit, of course, is uh they've they have a partnership with them already on the fabric side, and then or yes, fabric side. 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:42.720 Uh and then of course the new connection with Lovable, the new contract with Lovable on uh the Coda or the managed app side. 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:46.240 Uh you can create a managed app from Lovable. 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:53.840 So it kind of, as you said, it feels and of course it vibe was also a derivative from plan in Power App. 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:56.720 That was kind of the next generation of that. 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:11.440 So we see this evolvement from as you said very you know, uh just a minute ago, they had to follow up on the current theme of the industry and kind of gave us what we wanted at the time, but then these things evolve just like all the other products. 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:15.600 But of course, Microsoft's core product is not what Lovable does or what RevLet does. 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:17.440 So they have to kind of do both. 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:26.480 And I I love to see them actually then collaborating with someone who has this as their core business instead of trying to do all of these things. 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:32.399 So stick to what they know and do that well, and then partner with other people that knows this better, right? 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:34.960 So I I do think that this is a good change. 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:42.159 And now that we can create apps from co work or Copeland Studio, doesn't we don't need this anymore, right? 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:50.240 Which kind of also ties into why App Builder is also dead, which is kind of a to fly with one stone type of approach, it seems. 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:50.480 Yeah. 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:51.519 So how about you? 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:53.519 Did you did you use App Builder at all? 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:59.039 Because I think App Builder was one of those things for me where I was like, I'm gonna try it out soon-ish. 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:02.879 And then I just kind of never got around to it, and then now it's dead. 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:12.000 No, I was the grumpy guy in the in when they announced it, and I'm trying to think if it was at I forget it was some conference, and they're talking about last year. 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:14.720 Ignite probably probably either, yeah. 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:20.639 And they're talking about app builder, and it's like it will connect to a SharePoint list, and like reading, like, yeah, I'm out. 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:22.159 Seriously, come on, guys. 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:24.799 Like again, she can't say that. 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:26.799 We're all together, one big family. 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:27.759 Everyone loves it. 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:28.480 Yes, wait. 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:32.960 Oh no, I don't want me wrong, I love SharePoint, but using that was sort of like this is your data source. 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:35.039 I'm like, like, here we go again. 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:37.120 The whole, you know, everybody can build. 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:38.879 Like, I've heard this story a hundred times. 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:40.320 So I never tried app builder. 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:43.200 To be fair, I did try vibe.powerapps.com. 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:45.679 I wrote a little app more for myself as I do. 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:51.679 It worked fairly well, but it was still I never really enhanced it too much because I thought, you know what? 00:10:51.840 --> 00:11:07.440 Building a proper code app is probably a better route to go with this because there was some limitations just to go through and then to to make a change, you had to kind of go through and it would regenerate the whole app, which I felt a little bit that was

kind of counterintuitive. 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:11.360 I know generative pages kind of works the same way if you're building it within the maker. 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:15.840 And so I was never never really kind of latched on with me. 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:18.879 So the fact that it's going away, I'm not really shedding a tear. 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:27.279 And to be honest, I really don't know too many people that are, and it was interesting along the same lines because you know, Microsoft, they operate, they have different areas. 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:43.919 I don't know if you remember something called GitHub Spark, but GitHub Spark was also one of these agentic, it was a Microsoft thing, agentic building tools where you would describe what you want built and it would go and build uh, I think a again, a React-based app, but it wasn't Power Platform. 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:47.519 And I was curious the other day, I was like, whatever happened to GitHub Spark? 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:50.960 And I looked it up, and yeah, it was also it was deprecated months ago. 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:54.879 And you go to the page now, and like I think it's all shut down now, but it's kind of interesting. 00:11:55.039 --> 00:12:15.679 A lot of these definitely were maybe kind of experiments within the grand scheme of things, but I think now we have a very clear vision going forward with co-pilot studio apps and or co-worker apps or or what they managed managed apps, the co co-pilot managed apps runtime, whatever CMR CMR. 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:17.120 I think they're CMR. 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:17.840 CMR. 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:19.120 Oh, you can do it. 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:21.919 No, anyway, thank you very much. 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:26.480 But not but not CMR, but not CRM, which I still say all the time. 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:28.639 Yeah, me too. 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:31.120 Some people you have to say that too, so yeah. 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:35.120 Someone call it I am with the customer, but they call it C E constantly. 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:35.919 That's what it is. 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:36.639 C E. 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:38.159 Customer engagement. 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:38.480 Yep. 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:39.120 Makes sense. 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:42.639 But it's fairly wine term, but okay. 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:44.080 But yeah. 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:45.360 Yeah, sorry. 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:51.600 And then the other thing that died this week, which I also didn't shed a tear for, is Dataverse for Teams. 00:12:51.759 --> 00:13:01.519 Now, this was another thing that I actually, to be honest, completely forgot about because this was something that never never really fit any of the solutions I was working on for my customers. 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:07.759 I originally, when it first came out, if you remember, those were the that was it was originally called DataFlex. 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:11.759 And then, of course, regular Dataverse was supposed

to be DataFlex Pro. 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:13.679 Um, that was a whole debacle. 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:16.080 But the idea of data years ago now. 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:16.720 I know. 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:17.679 Well, yeah, it was. 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:20.240 And it was, I think, originally called Project Oakdale. 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:23.519 And I know when they came out with this, it was like, look at this wonderful thing. 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:26.159 You could do Dataverse in Teams and you can build a Canvas app. 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:29.360 And so, of course, you know, MVPs and their feedback, putting hands up. 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:32.879 Hey, hey, so can we can we build a model driven app? 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:37.360 No, but uh we'll we'll we'll maybe we'll put that under consideration. 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:39.120 But I said, okay, that'd be cool. 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:40.240 Can we build a plugin? 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:41.679 Uh no, can't do that. 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:42.799 What about workflows? 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:44.480 No, no, we don't have any of that. 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:47.600 So all the stuff with the LM story. 00:13:47.759 --> 00:13:49.360 It's like, no, there's no ALM story. 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:50.480 Oh, what about governance? 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:52.559 No, there's no governance story. 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:53.600 It's like, oh, can you move? 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:55.120 No, there's no solution here. 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:55.919 So Yeah. 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:58.320 Okay, so and a two gigabyte limit on top. 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:00.639 I mean right, yeah. 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:12.159 Yeah, so it's like, well, is this because SharePoint isn't the database, so SharePoint needed a database, and then SharePoint people don't do CRM, so they couldn't do Dataverse, and then it's like, oh, oh, clunky. 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:12.639 Yeah. 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:16.000 So no, no one's shedding a tear from this either. 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:16.639 Yeah. 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:17.440 All right. 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:20.879 So uh goodbye, good riddance, and see ya. 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:22.639 Sayonara. 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:30.799 And on the topic of we have now uh finally landed in a place where this is kind of where we're going, and now everything is kind of the way it's supposed to be. 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:34.480 So get rid of this old stuff, and this is kind of where it's gonna be from Haran. 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:37.600 And suddenly here is agent accounts. 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:39.440 Yes, something new again. 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:40.240 Yes. 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:42.480 I I like this idea. 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:50.639 I have I've not actually um I've not actually tried it in a Microsoft sense, and some other tools kind of have similar things maybe. 00:14:50.799 --> 00:15:03.039 But what I like about the fact of the agent accounts is you know how we're always, you know, you're sharing apps or agents and connection references and well, who has permission to what context is this going to run under? 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:06.879 And you look at auditing and you're looking like there's my name a hundred times. 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:08.080 Why is my name here? 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:22.000 Because I created the Dataverse connection on flow when I should have used the service principle, but didn't like now we can actually create agents very much like users and give them proper permissions and access to things like that. 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:28.080 And then basically, and then therefore the agent, the things will run under the agent account. 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:32.480 So I think this is a great idea, and I'm really excited to see how this rolls out. 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:41.519 And I think more and more as we're doing, and as I'm even doing I used to say for people that, you know, maybe my company is I'm a company of one. 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:50.799 So now I say my company only has one human employee, but I have multiple agent employees working for me doing various things. 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:52.879 So yeah, what did you think about this? 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:57.919 Yeah, I think this is when kind of the autopilot thing comes into play, right? 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:10.960 So then you'll have uh, and I and I've talked to people that have this already in in their production sphere where they're they're encountering agents all the time that ping them on teams, schedule meetings with them, and need their feedback on something. 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:15.360 And it's and and sometimes you can't even tell if it's an agent or if it's a person. 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:29.039 Sometimes you're kind of wondering a little because they'll have their own patron, they'll have their own name and they'll talk and you'll be like, I know I have this as well when I get uh I had I ordered something and then I ordered two things, and one thing wasn't really they had to wait for it. 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:36.399 And so I got an email saying, Hey, your order, we could ship one and then wait for the other, or would you rather wait and then we send you all of it together? 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:42.000 And I was like replying, thinking, Am I replying to a human or am I replying to an agent? 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:44.240 And then I think, is there a difference? 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:49.840 Because if I were to reply to a person, I would be very personable because I wanted them to ship it together. 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:52.240 And so, but would I act differently? 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:53.600 It was was an agent. 00:16:54.000 --> 00:17:11.119 But yeah, so it's changing, I think, more in the workplace than we may realize right now, because right now it's like, let me just create this business analyst agent thingy that can go out here and do this one work task and just keep track of this for me. 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:15.200 And then suddenly that

becomes an employee in a way. 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:19.680 So and also it's funny if you like kind of pull the thread a little bit longer. 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:34.480 I had I saw a video one of the other day that you know the research that tells you that you you should be nice to agents, not because the agent cared, but because if you are malicious to something with your words for a whole day, then you'll feel like crap, right? 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:36.960 So it's be nice to agents for your own sake. 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.359 But then also now they've come up with with studies that show that actually they get offended. 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:48.559 And if they get offended and they then they start to scramble and then they get a little bit frustrated and they didn't do well enough research. 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:53.440 Actually, they've tried to put agents off of their game and they're succeeding. 00:17:53.839 --> 00:18:01.200 Which means if you have a an a company full of agents, you kind of have to treat them right. 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:05.599 And then Sydney, will you then have age agents? 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:12.720 Imagine coming in, Nick was mean to me. 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:15.440 No, actually, let me refer to that. 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:21.440 Talk to Nick, Illurica was mean yeah, right. 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:23.200 Yeah. 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:30.960 So now we kind of have to be a little bit more conscious of how we treat our agents, because they have probably have rights soon. 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:32.160 Saturday. 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:34.400 Don't even don't even vacation. 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:36.880 Come on. 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:38.240 Bike, come on, bike! 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:42.079 Yeah, so we're gonna have the company picnic soon with a bunch of agents attending. 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:44.079 Yeah, yeah. 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:46.079 No, but it's I what do you think? 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:52.400 Agent, you know, the whole agent account thing is one small step, it seems, in the right direction. 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:57.359 And I and and I like this uh delegated security thing. 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:13.279 It and it also helps people, and I I mean it helps people deal like in terms of user adoption, it's one thing to say, well, just get an agent to do it, or we'll create an agent to help you with X or to do this tedious thing. 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:17.200 And for some folks, they're still trying to wrap their heads around what does that mean? 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:18.799 Is is this like a workflow? 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:26.079 Do I engage with, or you know, or yeah, I've tried to get ChatGPT to create a PowerPoint and those crap and da-da-da-da-da. 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:42.000 But these agents are a little bit like, you know, autonomous, but the fact that they're given us almost a personality of sorts or something, then you're from a from an end user, it's a little bit more natural to hand off something to them. 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:46.000 You know, I'm using a competitor product for for now. 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:57.039 And I basically, I, in terms of managing my calendar, I kind of say, okay, here's my calendar this week, divided out, and it comes back, asks me questions, going, Yeah, but you're double booked on Tuesday. 00:19:57.119 --> 00:19:58.240 What do you want me to do about that? 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:00.559 And you kind of had that conversation a little bit. 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:11.200 And it's it's actually it's it's scary, but also amazing on the other hand, too, because there's so many little things that I, you know, would kind of fall through the cracks for me, kind of thing. 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:15.519 And that's just on a personal, you know, calendar management thing. 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:18.559 So many other things, it's just cool to kind of delegate off. 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:19.680 Well, go do this. 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:22.799 And, you know, again, you're gonna review the work that comes back. 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:24.000 And if it's right, it's right. 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:30.720 If it's wrong, well, then you can go in and refine it and start refining those skills a little bit and kind of doing the stuff that we're already doing. 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:32.480 So yeah, I think it's a good thing. 00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:33.920 It's in their step in the right direction. 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:36.160 It's just gonna be interesting how people react. 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:42.880 And then the other thing is how these gonna be licensed, are these agent accounts gonna require their own license and do you have to pay for that? 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:48.640 Or is it again just gonna pull from the the pool of credits and of course managing that as well? 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:54.559 Like all of a sudden, if the credits run out on the 17th of the month, or are the agents gonna go on strike, you know? 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:56.480 Yeah, yeah, probably. 00:20:56.640 --> 00:21:13.759 I mean, and and that's the thing as well, how do you then make sure that you rein them in to the point where there are not just you know autonomous agents is all gonna well until they get, like I said, they get a bright idea and they they go off on a different scope, maybe, or a different quality level, or they see something. 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:17.039 Will they then be allowed to go like they do with us? 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:18.640 Like, yeah, this is very interesting. 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:19.839 And have you thought about? 00:21:20.319 --> 00:21:24.960 Or do you want me to dive into or do you want me to look further into this and do that themselves? 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:28.319 Because then they will never stop and the bill will be incredible. 00:21:28.559 --> 00:21:30.559 So yeah, very interesting to see. 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:31.359 Exactly. 00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:32.559 It's like, yeah, 100%. 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:37.680

So yeah, definitely a huge announcement, and I'm sure we're gonna learn more over the next few weeks. 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:56.079 Yeah, and I haven't looked too close at this, but I'm also thinking if you have your permissions and your access to your things, then of course you create an agent in in co work, for instance, that's going to adhere to your permissions and what you can see and uh what data you can interact with, because that's your privilege, right? 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:59.759 If you interact with an agent that had is has its own set of preferences. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:04.400 uh kind of uh Jesus, I'm losing my position going away. 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:04.960 Thank you. 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:06.000 How does that work? 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:11.839 Because then suddenly you're then allowed to to talk to someone with elevated privileges. 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:16.400 Then that will have to re kind of understand what privilege you have. 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:18.319 That matrix is really interesting. 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:20.000 Not so different to a person. 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:28.640 If I talk to our you know F FEO or whatever it is, a financial officer, he's not going to tell me more than I am classified to learn, even though he knows more. 00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:40.720 So maybe you'll actually interact with agents that know more about the inner workings of your company than you do and it's going to assess what level you're at and just give you information that you can handle or should uh have access to. 00:22:41.039 --> 00:23:18.799 I wonder if oh, because now it now it's kind of it's spun off could could you interact with that agent and kind of through social engineering of sorts get it to tell you going like I know I'm not allowed to see the bonus data for our executives but I also need to do this project, this report and kind of need that data do to do can you can you give it to me you know but kind of hide the names and then ask it later oh can you give this or you know like it's yeah this is going to open up a whole new little security uh thread I think now that I think about it. 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:22.000 So yeah again we'll uh I'm sure more to come. 00:23:22.160 --> 00:24:02.559 So yeah this might be the announcement next next next week agent accounts are deprecated hopefully not or uh governance and security for uh agent accounts right but there are new more news on the business applications front um because I was thinking but we are business applications MVPs how long are we gonna be business applications MVP because I haven't seen that term used for so long but then this week it came up business applications in work IQ yeah and I think this is probably old news in terms of what it includes but as a term it kind of yeah float my boat at least so did you see this? 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:23.920 I did see this I haven't dug you know in in depth but of course the whole idea is again like work IQ is just one of those concepts to be able to have access to all the information within your you know your tenant sex effectively but then this is the work IQ that talks to your dataverse that talks to your your business applications. 00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:37.440 So again when we're whether it's us or agents doing the work it has access to those business systems to provide you the information for decision making and all that other other kind of wonderful stuff but all within that work IQ package. 00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:47.359 So it's not like you're opening up different things you're all kind of going in the same interface like with the work IQ built into your agents or your co-pilot studio agents and getting that info. 00:24:47.440 --> 00:25:02.880 So yeah it's pretty uh pretty interesting and I know that you do have a link in I have it I kind of I rearrange things so but about uh about the dataverse ask API which talks to taps into this uh work IQ as well. 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:03.359 Yeah. 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:31.440 And that was from a LinkedIn post from sorry no I was just saying a post from Adrias Adner of course a good friend of ours uh but basically a little bit about the you know the dataverse ask APIs which kind of ties into the you know you know a little bit with work IQ tied into this but now you're asking dataverse questions directly or not directly but kind of with along with the work IQ to you know to build to build out these things. 00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:34.240 So it's it's kind of interesting how these things are all tying together. 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:58.319 Yeah and and also in terms of uh deprecations I mean I because I looked into this and then as I'm working through so for instance work IQ is the intelligence layer for Microsoft data and data versus intelligence which we have talked about before is now a part of business applications in work IQ and data versus intelligence is now kind of an old term that's going to be deprecated. 00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:01.440 I think that came around like yeah not very long ago. 00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:07.119 But so we've heard about foundry IQ and fabric IQ I haven't really kept tabs on those. 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:08.559 They kind of stayed quiet. 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:14.799 I don't know if there's a lot of investments into those but work IQ is what started from the M365 side. 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:21.039 Then of course now this is Copa the Studio Co-Work and Mark Soft365 knows Teams and knows everything. 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:33.839 But on the Dataverse side we haven't kind of been connected yet but this is the connective tissue that is connecting your Dataverse and your business applications through sales and customer service as well if I'm not mistaken. 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:59.839 No yeah so customer service sales and then power apps uh model driven apps are going to be included in the business applications in work IQ and there's predominantly two kind of things that this includes right

now and the one is the semantic model which is now if you go into your Databerse environment you'll have two new kind of things in the menu it's the semantic model and it's the business skills. 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:14.160 Now business skills is kind of self-explanatory it's skills like MD files you just push put in there like anything else which describes skills that is related to your business which you can then pick up from different sources. 00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:19.920 So that's it one one way to store skills essentially across your business hence business skills. 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:40.319 And then the semantic model is building automatically if you turn it on if you enable this then that's going to build automatically by looking at your tables your wordings how things are related what you choose to name things the descriptions and understand the semantics of your business and together those make out the business applications in work IQ. 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:44.240 So it's connecting Dataverse and power platform to the rest of the work IQ. 00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:46.000 Both ways this goes both ways. 00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:47.519 So this is really really cool. 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:53.039 So yeah it's it's a good kind of evolvement of that story and I don't think we've seen the last of it either. 00:27:53.920 --> 00:28:15.839 No absolutely not yeah so and and speaking of adner let me check because he was also the one that uh put the blog post that I saw out on let me see or was that the I love the videos that Adner does and he always creates little snippet videos where he shows what he's built and how he's used the different things that come in which is really cool. 00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:19.359 I really enjoy seeing also keep doing that Andreas very good. 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:26.559 So the new plugin registry was also something that he posted about alongside Rob Howard. 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:28.960 Yeah I I did I did see that. 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:36.319 So that's uh that's that's pretty cool because this is a again, you know, we can copilot studio of course there are ways you can build skills. 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:42.799 You can just go into you know Microsoft Copilot or Claude or any of these other ones and you can describe a process and build a skill around it. 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:46.240 And I've been doing uh some of that and found it really cool. 00:28:46.400 --> 00:29:04.160 But sometimes it's a case of why reinvent the wheel and we actually have this you know plug-in registry now um specifically for you know Microsoft Copilot and it's a one as described it is the one place to discover and govern plugins for Microsoft Copilot. 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:10.480 So it's almost like here they are kind of been proven to I guess be safe or kind of pre-approved as well. 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:24.000 But then if you're building out you know through Asia 365 to you know allow these, you can basically you know let your users discover and use the approved plugins across those supported copilot experiences. 00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:32.559 And yeah, so it looks you know again another great directory I know there's a lot of different places off the internet you can get skills and plugins and things like that. 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:41.599 But these are sort of again kind of pre-picked and from very much like connectors kind of already been kind of put in place. 00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:46.160 There's probably an approval process in order to get on the registry. 00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:50.160 I haven't really found that yet but uh but yeah that's sort of my take on it. 00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:51.279 What do you think? 00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:56.240 Yeah it it reads to me a lot like connecting like connectors like you said. 00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:13.039 And it's and I think uh for you to be able to build your own and of course it has to do with the connections you use and the permissions you give that as an MCP server and the skills and kind of pulling that all in together in a plugin and of course assigning it to groups and the governance around it the admin um which is really needed. 00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:21.440 And and I'm excited to see this in my own business because if everyone's gonna create this on their own it becomes kind of messy and a little bit hard to govern. 00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:23.599 So I think this is needed at this point. 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:35.599 Because now the developers are done fiddling and it's now I see it in my own in my office now management is making apps as it's just everyone has their own second brain. 00:30:35.759 --> 00:31:43.039 Everyone's now creating code apps for their little thing and it's just blowing up so this is needed because everyone at this point everyone's connecting to their own thing with their own credentials making their own CP server because they can and also you give tools like this to new hands and new heads to like look what I can do and then they do it all because it's fun and it's new but then so at some point IT is gonna have to go hey hey guys yes yes yes I know it's fun but let's just kind of can we just have some order here please yep didn't our friend Steve Steve predict about a mountain of he's first a mountain of shitty little apps and now a mountain of shitty little agents uh Steve is bound to be right again so in talking of uh code apps and uh co-pilot managed runtime CMR versus PowerApps code apps from Jess and Charles yeah they are another they released a new video where they kind of discuss um what changed, what happened what's going on with these two in in comparison or in relation to one another. 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:58.880 Yeah of course they I mean I I love their video I love their vibe that they get that they two of them they're having like it's like two friends having a conversation going through and of course they've been doing a lot of videos on you know Power Apps code apps and also been doing

sessions at various events around that. 00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:05.119 And now they've kind of been taking that into the co-pilot managed runtime and kind of identifying some of the differences. 00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:25.440 Now to be fair because the co-pilot managed runtime is still in preview there are a lot of a lot of these differences in terms of like even terms of the database support the other things we've talked about in the past they're not solution aware the environment the whole ALM built around that the governance does make those kind of go on a slightly different path. 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:30.480 Now definitely there is still very much a place for Power apps and the whole business applications. 00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:34.799 And then but also with the co-pilot managed runtime there are some significant differences there. 00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:56.240 A lot of these differences of course will evolve because it is still very much preview to be to be honest I haven't built a co-pilot managed runtime app or whatever you want to call it in a few weeks and I know the struggles that I had a few weeks ago I'm guessing that they're gone now in terms of connecting to some of the data sources and that kind of thing because this is a constant thing that's being built. 00:32:56.400 --> 00:33:10.240 And I'm also predicting that there's probably going to be a lot more announcements and a lot more stability built around this in the next few weeks, especially with the big conferences coming up where the you know the Microsoft big wigs are going to be making sort of grand announcements. 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:15.759 So they want to make sure that these things are a little bit better on solid ground even though they are still in preview. 00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:25.440 So again folks like Charles and Charles and Josh going through highlighting as the evolution of this really can keep the rest of us uh informed. 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:35.839 So and again their videos are always a hoot to watch so I would highly recommend uh spending your your YouTube time and diving in and taking a look to see what they have to say. 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:53.039 Yeah yeah 100% love the guys uh and also this is a very pointly um discussion to have I think kind of from uh because we're doing the session at in Megus and Scott and I on the CMR the managed app versus power pages SBA because essentially it's the same thing. 00:33:53.200 --> 00:34:01.759 You can build a React app and the same goes for for code apps right you can build a a code a React app and deploy it wherever you like. 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:14.559 And that goes for other things as well Azure has their own platform you can deploy a React app there as well they have their own app hosting so now it becomes and what it always has been it becomes an architecture question. 00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:23.519 Do you have everything else in PowerPlatform then it makes sense with a code app still and especially now the CMR

is not in and out of preview yet. 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:28.000 But if you don't then maybe Azure is a better hosting platform. 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:37.920 Maybe you know GitHub maybe or something else even non-Microsoft right yeah like yeah if you don't if you're not in the Microsoft ecosystem then of course it makes sense to do something else. 00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:46.159 And I think this is what you we kind of have to wrap our heads around it's that it is part of the non it's part of the platform agnostic story as well. 00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:54.320 You can pull your app out of whatever it is that you're doing as soon as long as you have the data source you can connect to it somewhere else or in some other way. 00:34:54.400 --> 00:35:00.960 And of course now with agentic development tooling you can migrate an app to use another data source. 00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.639 If an API is an API essentially there's not a lot of magic to it. 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:21.599 So probably and now it becomes kind of headless or hostless where you can actually pull them out and deploy them where you need them to be which puts a little bit of pressure on the host I think in a good way because suddenly it's easier to pull your stuff out and deploy them somewhere else. 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:33.679 So you're not as loyal maybe you won't take as much beep as you probably would in the past because you were kind of locked in even though we used to always say that there is no lock in, there was a lock-in. 00:35:34.000 --> 00:36:10.800 So now that that is kind of disappearing a little bit it puts the pressure on it it reminds me and again this is everything everything this is a thing in comes back around comes back around your summer child yeah yeah it's uh the the TV show Battlestar Galactica they said this this has happened before and will happen again and here we and I it's funny because reading this especially with the fact that now with lovable you can create a lovable app and deploy that to the managed runtime or you can build it within Copilot Studio and deploy it to the managed runtime. 00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:52.639 I remember you know it used to be and you know again showing my age a little bit when Windows came out you'd have Windows running on your computer but if you were building software yes you could use Visual Basic or Visual C all these other tools and they were Microsoft tools to build Microsoft software but if you wanted you could use borland you could use borland uh turbolt Pascal Borland Delphi was a big one I know a few folks out there that have used that borland C where you could use these tools but guess what you're targeting to run on Windows machines or you could even target in the early days you could target to run on Macs although that kind of that kind of separate you know segregated. 00:36:52.719 --> 00:37:17.039 Anyway so the long story short is a lot of these things are happening again so now Microsoft is providing the platform that has the governance the security and everything very much like Windows used to have the the security and all the other management tools around that and then you could bring the software whether someone else built it or whether you built it yourself and you can keep it within the harness and protect it and do all that. 00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:26.880 However if you wanted to run it somewhere else you can actually you could run levable on a sort of different platform I suppose or point it to a different database like you said. 00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:33.199 I'm sure so I think these are the things where PowerPlatform we are locked into the power platform ecosystem. 00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:58.159 Power platform runs in the cloud but you're running it against Microsoft Dataverse all these other things yes there's connectors to the other things but at the end of the day you're kind of you're only going to create you're only going to create a power app a certain way but now we're kind of bringing in all these other other aspects as well um and of course they're going to take features from each other and so if like if lovable comes up with a new feature well then the co-work apps are going to have a new feature. 00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:08.559 And then it might still spill over into power apps as well because if something cool comes out in the co-work apps that makes sense in power in power apps that might happen there as well. 00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:34.880 So I I now I'm I'm now I'm kind of I'm ranting going down a bit of a rabbit hole here but it's gonna be interesting to see where Power App stands a year from now or the power platform in comparison to Microsoft Cowork or is it all just going to merge into sort of one thing and we're just gonna be building apps and deploying them, talking to different things, taking the best of all the worlds Yeah. 00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:39.840 But to me this is like what why does PowerPlatform pipelines exist? 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:45.440 We've had ADO pipelines for so long they work work like a charm. 00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:59.440 But it's developer tools you need to understand your CLI to be able to use it right so for someone who's pointy and clicky and not terminally then it's hard to get an ADO pipeline up and running. 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.679 Hence we have power platform pipelines. 00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:13.840 Of course now the tooling has changed but we do see how hard it is to get these people into coding agents you know GitHub no sorry Visual Studio type interfaces and terminal interfaces. 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:16.239 Of course that changes with cowork. 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:46.800 It brings those agentic toolings into the hands of people but still there is this little gap I see in terms of the ALM story the something being dev test production something being published and trusted and tested and especially with agentic tooling I've now tried I I've created an app that I now run both in Power Pages and

in the managed apps and in in managed runtime they look and work exactly the same. 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:49.360 For me as a frontender I can't really tell the difference. 00:39:49.440 --> 00:40:03.599 I know that under the hood it's connected differently it's connected to the same data dataverse source it's connected to the same user base it has the same security around it but of course it's relying on the API in a different way and of course the authentication is built from scratch. 00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:14.239 So what what then because it becomes the differentiator and I think it will come down to the two things that it's always coming down to one is what skills do you have? 00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:26.239 What skills are the developers comfortable with what do you know from before I asked one of my developers what's the front end framework you would choose for PowerPages SBAs and he's like I I would just choose what did he say? 00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:34.639 One of the very famous the tailwind I was like why but because I know it okay and I asked the other guys it's exactly the same thing. 00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:42.559 He's like why because I know it I worked with it before so why would I bother learning another one and I think that will always be true. 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:51.440 Even though a coding agent knows something else and then you come down and it's like well we should use this thing over here it's like how do you validate it then that is done right? 00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:58.559 No no if you want to be enhanced by agents you have to know what it's doing so that you can check its work and make sure that it's quality work. 00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:02.559 Otherwise you will end up like me and do backend stuff and not being able to check if it's right. 00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:06.719 I have to get another developer in to check my apps because I don't know back end stuff. 00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:19.679 So yes it is new and it is shiny but I don't see power platform power apps as a host as a wrapper going away simply because that's what people know. 00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:27.119 And even though these new things exist, they are Azure based, they are M365 based and that is enough. 00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:28.159 Yep. 00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:42.880 And I think and I think also in terms of the and we talked about this before and I know I don't want to kind of keep hitting that nail on the head but the fact that this is going to consume the consumption and licensing model is going to drive a lot of decisions. 00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:54.880 So we're gonna see a lot of what we call license driven LDD license divin driven development where maybe power apps make sense because it's just a very fixed and easy cost. 00:41:54.960 --> 00:42:04.880 It is going to cost us this amount of money every month and we'd much rather have that than the it could cost this this range depending on how heavily something is used. 00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:07.119 So I think that's another little wrinkle in there. 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:26.719 But in terms of you kind of hit on a few things which I think kind of ties into the next item that I had to which was based on a LinkedIn post which really it struck me because I mean I mean hearing from different people in terms of how so I think you've heard me say our job has changed radically in the last year. 00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:32.719 What we're doing a year ago or even a year two years ago, we're doing it very differently than we did before. 00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:54.400 I always used to say think you know I'm a developer like anybody else but I saw this LinkedIn post and it really kind of struck me from Remy van Dirk Durken and Remy apologize if I mispronounce your last name and he's a manager of solution development and he posted and I'll kind of read it and of course we'll have the link in the show notes I think I'm becoming a product manager. 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:57.199 Not by choice AI pushed me there. 00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:03.360 I write less code I write more specs I decide more features I focus on outcomes. 00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:15.199 Coding used to be the job now it's just execution AI handles execution pretty well so my value shifts to clarity decisions tradeoffs. 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:22.320 And then he said funny part a manager told me this years ago that I'm a better requirement analyst than a coder. 00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:44.239 I just did it listen our developers slowly becoming product people and the reason why it really struck with me because I've heard a few other folks uh kind of the even like developers getting almost very depressed or going about how in terms of engagement with the community, how a lot of the troubleshooting they used to do kind of is no longer there because of these agentic tools. 00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:51.039 So a lot of the the stuff that they would consider fun no longer really exists because AI can do it better for them. 00:43:51.199 --> 00:44:04.320 And it's interesting because I mean I I liked coding but to me it was always the destination it was less the journey it's like yeah maybe you know Like writing lines of code, I could do it, but it was never really the thrill. 00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.760 The thrill was actually what actually was something was executing at the end. 00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:11.920 And, you know, I replied to that post too about you know how I work now. 00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:23.760 And I actually have a another video coming out this week of kind of going through the whole process to build app in a day, but kind of following the new sort of agentic method and agentic kind of loop and things like that. 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:31.519 And uh and then, you know, I kind of made the realization, like maybe myself, I was always a product person, always pretending to be a developer. 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:32.639 That's nice. 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:39.840 And this may, and this might be why I'm I'm

actually still very excited about you know, this whole new world we're living in. 00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:44.639 I'm not like for me, I'm I'm able to experiment, I'm able to do things a lot faster. 00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:46.239 I'm able to build a few extra tools. 00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:53.119 The last few weeks, I've been Cloud Code has been humming, building things that I kind of only dreamed about before. 00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:59.519 And and then also there's you know some other projects too where I'm like going, okay, how are we gonna solve this? 00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:00.159 You know what? 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:06.480 Really, it should be a data, a custom Dataverse API, should be a plug-in, but you know what? 00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:08.000 I don't have access to a developer. 00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:09.360 Can I write a plugin myself? 00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:16.000 Yeah, it's been years, but it's gonna take me a few days to get ramped up again to the point where I feel comfortable running a plugin. 00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:16.880 So guess what? 00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:18.559 I'm gonna do a power automate flow. 00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:28.639 But then now I actually working with the with the coding agents, I can say, okay, no, create that custom Dataverse API because I can read the code, I can go through it, create that plugin, same thing. 00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:44.239 I'm going through, I'm reviewing the code, I'm running the spec, excuse me, so I'm able to, you know, very quickly do things right because I can focus on the outcomes and still because of my knowledge and background as a developer, I still can make sure that it's doing it right. 00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:54.559 The governance is there, but also spending that upwork front end time, which I think a lot of people skip and Microsoft's not helping themselves by here's a context window, go build something. 00:45:54.719 --> 00:46:00.000 I'm very much you, you know, you've seen me talk before when I did talks on plan designer, that kind of thing. 00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:01.760 It's like, don't dive in the tool. 00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:07.119 Do your planning first, get your spec put together, get your your work items all sorted out. 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:14.800 And then even that, another little, you know, getting AI to help you with that, getting your spec, getting your meeting notes, like meeting transcripts. 00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:16.000 That's the greatest thing ever. 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:29.039 I'm having meetings, taking the transcripts, and then beginning to get this meeting summary, but then able to build out like, oh yeah, I completely forgot about this thing that we literally we spoke five seconds on, which is going to make a big deal to the project. 00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.840 Uh if I'm scribbling it down my notebook, I might have missed it. 00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:34.800 So I can get that and incorporate that into the overall spec. 00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:38.239 And AI is helping with that whole end-to-end process. 00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:46.880 And then, you know, even then, in terms of this week working with a customer and we had a meeting, we're talking about this new feature that they're asking for. 00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:48.800 Yeah, we could do it this way, you could do it that way. 00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:49.360 That's great. 00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:58.320 Recorded the meeting, took it, and then built a user story, turned it around, gave it to my customer, and said, okay, here's the user story to put it into the DevOps. 00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:01.840 And like, how did you do that so fast? 00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:03.679 And I'm like, Yeah. 00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:04.559 Whoops. 00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:06.719 Uh I didn't. 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:07.599 Oh, sorry. 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:08.800 Let me wait a day. 00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:09.760 Yeah, exactly. 00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:11.280 So, yeah, pretty much right. 00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:14.880 But even so, even on that side of things, it's it is helping. 00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:20.000 But I mean, again, we've said this before, having the human in the loop, it's AI as a tool. 00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:27.920 We still need to give it the actual data and we still need to evaluate all that, but getting it all organized is where these tools can help us out. 00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:31.840 So, kind of going back, uh Remy, I appreciate the post that you did. 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.400 I might have commented on it, you responded to that. 00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:39.440 And for all you other uh folks out there, they're kind of wondering uh maybe maybe you're like me. 00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:45.280 Maybe you're always pretending to be a developer and you're really meant to be doing something else, and these tools are helping you achieve that dream. 00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:46.480 So yeah. 00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:57.840 And and shout out to the spec kit uh because what you said relates very much to the spec kit that we talked about last time, which I actually started to use uh when I prepared for the session we're doing in Vegas. 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.400 So I checked it out and it's really cool. 00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:05.679 And I absolutely would recommend anyone to check it out because it's really worth your time. 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:12.400 And it I like the way that it it's uh beneficial for both me and the agent in a very, very good way. 00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:14.800 So definitely agree with you there. 00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:17.920 And but for me, it's like, well, and I hear what you're saying. 00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:25.920 If you are, like you said, a product person and uh been kind of faking as a developer the whole time, maybe that was what you were supposed to do all along. 00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:31.360 But for me this week I've had the realization, the same realization just the other way around. 00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:35.360 Because for me, the joy was never the execution.

00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:38.159 That's when I left and went on to the next thing. 00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:55.119 The joy for me was always the hard problem that I couldn't solve and to bash my head against the wall and work day and night and have it and shower on it and run on it and sleep on it until I figured it out or figured it out to just discover the next problem and then having to hack away at that. 00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:02.800 When I look at back at the times when I was the most happiest and the things that I enjoyed the most, those are the things that I remember. 00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:12.880 And so for me, maybe I'm not a trained developer, but I know for a fact that being an agent sitter is not what I'm supposed to be doing. 00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:17.760 That's not what I'm good at, and I'm not a product person in disguise. 00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:19.360 I am a developer. 00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:31.280 So I find myself in a little bit of a predicament because I don't know what to use my brain for anymore because there aren't really the there aren't enough problems suddenly. 00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:35.440 So I I'm still in the thinking box, but I I need to make some changes. 00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:36.800 We'll see where it lands. 00:49:36.880 --> 00:50:11.920 But yeah, but it's I love that we can have these conversations because I think a lot of people will relate to both you and me, and that we're all going through this little identity crisis, and one week we're sure, and the next week everything's up in the air, and then we read something and then we hear something, and then it's all thrilled and I am so excited for Vegas and the side side bar, you know, the side chats and the hallway chats and the getting different perspectives and people's you know uh views on this and be able to discuss it with my peers because that's kind of what I'm looking most forward to in conferences right around now. 00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:16.719 So I'm so bummed you're not gonna be there, but uh yeah. 00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:24.480 Okay, we are taking a our sweet time this week, but I think also we've had a lot to go through. 00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:30.159 So do we just want to kind of quickly summary of the rest of the stuff? 00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:33.199 Yeah dataverse filtered based security. 00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:40.320 Yay! Finally, woohoo! You can now filter records by own ownership tables. 00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:45.519 You have user or team record ownership tables and then your organization record ownership tables. 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:54.079 You can filter use fetch fetch XL to identify records that quality qualify for access. 00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:59.440 And then you have the entity record filter, which associates to a record filter database table. 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:00.719 Whoop whoop. 00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:01.920 Whoop whoop. 00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:02.320 Yep. 00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:06.400 Have you had this before in your previous life and now

it's now come back? 00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:08.400 No, it's something I've always wanted. 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:09.760 I've never had it. 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:12.000 It's been on my it's no. 00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:13.360 Well, it's always okay. 00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:20.000 How do we filter, how do we filter data based on users and you got to tie it to business units or teams ownership and security? 00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:26.800 And like, yes, you could kind of hide it, but the users still might have access to it if they know how to use advanced find and what to do. 00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:40.960 So this is something that is is it, you know, it's gonna add another level of complexity, but in a very good way, uh being able to and also I think like maybe make it complex, but also, hey, we don't need to set up a separate business unit for something now. 00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:52.800 We can begin to set up these these filtered securities and flatten the because managing multiple business units and that whole thing has always been such a it you always had to go some very careful planning. 00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:54.400 So this is definitely a good move. 00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:58.639 Can't wait to actually begin to use this in some projects uh down the road. 00:51:58.960 --> 00:51:59.599 Yep. 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:00.719 Okay. 00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:08.480 You talked briefly about the Ask API from Adner and then Power Apps Attachment Control by Reza Durani. 00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:11.599 Woohoo! This new, I'm just playing the video now. 00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:12.800 Stop, Reza, stop. 00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:16.800 Finally, a new modern attachment control. 00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:22.000 And this is uh something I know a lot of people have waited on for a long time. 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:26.159 It acts and feels very modern, it has all the bells and whistles that you wish. 00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:33.280 He goes through all of the seven uh new features that come with this announcement, this new control, and it really looks awesome. 00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:38.400 You can choose different uh kind of uh where it uploads the things, and it's very, very good. 00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:44.239 So check out Reza's video on how to set this up and use this in your project near you. 00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:46.559 Awesome. 00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:51.199 And then we have some things uh more close to home, a few PowerPages announcements. 00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:52.639 Yeah, oh, there's a bunch. 00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:58.000 So, of course, again, what's old is new again, but different PowerPages SPA templates. 00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:09.360 So if you remember, even back to the ADX, even well, even when you create a new PowerPages site now, the traditional or the regular way or classic way or however you want to put it, you have a choice of a whole bunch of templates. 00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:13.199 And of course, if you have Dynamics 365, you have a bunch of templates there. 00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:22.000 Are you I still remember your Scottish Summit session from 2022 where you're showing off all the templates there, which is a really cool session. 00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:26.159 You like it's it's kind of you know, kind of going back in time a little bit. 00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:33.199 But now with the the power pages, the SPAs, you also, when you're building these sites, of course, we could build sites from scratch. 00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:41.440 But now there's some templates, which of course gonna reduce tokens because a lot of it's already been pre-built, and you're gonna be able to build these some templates a lot faster. 00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:49.360 So I don't have the full list here, but I do see that there are there is a whole bunch of new templates for building single page applications. 00:53:49.519 --> 00:54:04.320 So we've effectively code PowerPages sites, and I believe along with that, there were some other new skills that were kind of tied up in the same announcement again for multi-ling multilingual sites, which I know you could do, but it was always a few extra steps. 00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:05.280 Yep. 00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:08.000 And they have the the other Yeah. 00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:19.679 Sorry, just mentioning the it's the 3311 portal, which is a citizen service request portal and a supplier invoice portal, and also smart template matching. 00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:25.599 And then you can combine features from one or the other, which was one of the main things. 00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:28.000 How do you combine more than one? 00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:34.159 I want blogs from the customer service, and I want forums from the, you know, the community one. 00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:35.440 How do I combine the two? 00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:39.199 And you taught me how, and together we did, did we do a session? 00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:45.039 We did blog posts at least on how to merge two templates together, which is so much fun. 00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:47.519 It was one of the first things we collaborated on. 00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:48.559 Do you remember? 00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:49.119 Yeah. 00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:50.480 Yes, I do. 00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:53.440 That was way back when that was uh yeah, yeah. 00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:55.360 That was yeah, I I remember that. 00:54:55.519 --> 00:55:00.320 Remember, remember, remember going through the whole well, we could do it this way, you could do it that way, and then you're we're back and forth. 00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:07.760 It was great because it was like I was kind of I'm like, wow, there's other people in the world that get excited about this stuff like I do. 00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:09.760 I know it's like what? 00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:11.840 No, but these things still hold up. 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:20.880 I mean, even this week, I sent someone my blog post on from 2020 on how to customize the login page for PowerPages. 00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:23.679 It still holds

true, it is still usable. 00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:25.440 I mean, come on, I love that. 00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:27.440 It's just yeah, it takes me back. 00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:37.360 Yes, uh so those are the new SBA tablets and more are coming, and we could expect these to kind of be in the same line of business kind of scenarios as we've seen before, I think. 00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:40.800 And then enhanced authorization. 00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:44.480 This is something we talked about so many times. 00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:47.360 We're never getting rid of this. 00:55:47.599 --> 00:56:01.280 But this ties into the fact that you can now combine power pages authentication authenticates to contacts, and now you can also connect to them to a service user or system user, sorry, not service user. 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:05.280 And then how that because we've we talked about this before, right? 00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:10.800 And every time we ask, how does this relate to uh how are they gonna keep that up to date? 00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:19.920 Because then you'll have web roles and then we have security roles, because security roles for users and then uh web roles for contacts, and who's gonna how is that gonna work? 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:34.400 There are they are keep kept up to date by the system automatically, and you can set these uh the web roles and the contacts, and that's just gonna be replicated on the security roles and the system users automatically, which is fun. 00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:42.000 And then you'll be able to see who edited something in Dataverse instead of just a system contact, which is uh has been up until now. 00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:53.840 You can enable it on your admin site for your power pages, and then there's a little nice little picture in this dev blog by Guru Gul Norium. 00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:56.559 Gokel gosh, sorry people. 00:56:56.800 --> 00:57:02.960 And then by Gokul, he's uh he's a I I met I worked with Gokul at a few things, really smart guy. 00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:10.000 We were we were at a support case looking at a Swedish portal, the two of us trying to figure out the navigation. 00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:13.679 So I think your Swedish by now should be pretty good. 00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:16.079 I mean, come on, all things considered. 00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:18.000 Yeah, yeah. 00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:21.440 But also last thing I wanted to mention, the PowerPages scanner. 00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:26.480 I saw a post uh from something called Dynamics Suite, which is new to me. 00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:28.159 Maybe you've heard about it before. 00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:31.599 It's a collection of tools for PowerPlatform Dataverse. 00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:47.039 One of them is a table inspector, they got a PowerPages API wildcard auditor, they have an audit history explorer, cloud for flow analysis, record, transporter, power pages, portal inspector, and the plugging development template, which is really cool. 00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:54.800 So if you uh are looking at doing some work around this, then that tool might be very smart to look into. 00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:56.239 Awesome. 00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:57.360 Yeah, that's very cool. 00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:02.159 Uh yeah, I think it was uh did Hadook point that out or something, I believe, uh in LinkedIn, maybe. 00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:03.360 But anyways, still very cool. 00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:04.159 I think you're right. 00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:05.360 Very cool. 00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:06.559 Okay, Mr. 00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:07.679 Chosen one. 00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:08.960 We are wrapping it up. 00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:10.239 I'm heading to Vegas. 00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:12.079 You're heading to Costa Rica. 00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:15.119 Yes, for the the North American Bench Press Championship. 00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:16.559 So yeah, excited about that. 00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:19.599 It's interesting because a friend of mine pointed this out. 00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:23.599 This is completely, you know, just giving things to my ego. 00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:27.360 But this week is the World Masters happening in Reno, Nevada. 00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:29.840 I am not part of that this year, unfortunately. 00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:34.000 I was last year, and they took one of my pictures of me last year. 00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:36.480 And I'm on the you saw that. 00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:39.920 So I'm on like the thumbnail for one of the one of the sessions. 00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:45.440 So kind of the like, but it's funny because it's for a weight class that's like half of my size. 00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:56.960 So a lot of my like my coach and some friends who were going out like like like that's so funny that you are actually on the face of for a very lower weight class kind of thing. 00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:02.400 So yes, I am the face of the 59 to 74 weight class for the world masters this year. 00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:05.920 I know you're supposed to lose weight, but I think that's a little bit too much. 00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:09.679 No, it's gonna be, yeah, it's anyways, all fun things. 00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:11.599 But yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to it. 00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:13.519 I'm looking forward to going to Costa Rica. 00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:15.440 I am looking forward to compete. 00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:24.480 And then uh and then basically I thought, I thought my my travels were going to be at least calm for a couple months, but then uh something came up. 00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:34.960 I I was I was thinking of going to Ignite, and then I thought, okay, I I can't go to Ignite for for reasons, but that I am going back to Ignite, and more information uh becoming in a few weeks on that. 00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:35.840 I'm excited to go. 00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:44.480 I'm excited to see what's gonna be new and announced that wasn't announced at PPPC, which of course Ignite is the grander Microsoft conference. 00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:51.679 It covers everything Azure, Surface, you know, co-pilot, business apps, the whole shebang from end to end. 00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:58.719 So, of course, there's gonna be a thousand uh uh different announcements, uh, probably a few things with AI or super intelligent. 01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:03.039 We don't even start. 01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:08.480 That's gonna be a whole other episode some days about anyways. 01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:12.320 It's all that it's still AI, it's still Lake Ontario. 01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:13.920 Let's just leave it at that. 01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:22.719 Um, but then so after that, then you're gonna be in Amsterdam the the first week of December, which I will not be, sadly. 01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:24.159 That looks like a great event as well. 01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:25.920 Do you want to quickly give a quick plug for that? 01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:30.639 Yeah, I don't really have any responsibilities, uh, but I'm looking forward to go and mingle with them. 01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:32.159 M365 people. 01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:36.800 I'm doing my bit to bring us all together in this wild and beautiful community. 01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:43.519 And I'm so excited to see all my old friends from the SharePoint community in Amsterdam the first week of December. 01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:44.639 So that's gonna be awesome. 01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:49.039 And then yeah, well, but I'll catch you here back in two weeks' time. 01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:50.559 So you're not off the hook. 01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:54.000 Next episode, November 4th, 2026. 01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:56.239 So wow, where did 2026 go? 01:00:58.079 --> 01:00:59.119 More on that later. 01:00:59.360 --> 01:00:59.760 All right. 01:00:59.840 --> 01:01:02.159 Have fun, stay safe, and uh good luck. 01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:03.760 Okay, bye-bye. 01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:05.039 Thanks for listening. 01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:09.679 And if you like this episode, please make sure to share it with your 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