125. Why Open Source and AI Are Colliding in Bitcoin Mining의 전체 녹취록

AI agent that we can just 33 00:02:12.835 --> 00:02:14.595 tag and say, hey, 34 00:02:16.115 --> 00:02:21.920 give us a rundown of what kinds of mining news has been breaking, 35 00:02:22.640 --> 00:02:24.800 what the network stats are, 36 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:31.360 and give us some good ideas for the podcast for today. And then it comes back with all this content, 37 00:02:32.545 --> 00:02:37.425 And then it makes it really easy to just go through the show and follow, like, a logical 38 00:02:38.145 --> 00:02:42.465 string of thoughts. So I don't know. Maybe this leads to less tangents. Maybe not. 39 00:02:42.945 --> 00:02:43.985 No way. Never. 40 00:02:45.105 --> 00:02:46.545 Hopefully, an organized podcast. 41 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:58.120 One of the cool things it does, which I don't think any of the other chat apps do, is it these agents that are sort of members of your chat have the whole chat history as context. 42 00:02:58.200 --> 00:03:08.285 Yeah. Because they're noster events. Yeah. So, like, you know, chats like they do, they're like, stuff's just flying by. There's a bunch of different channels, but it can take it all as context. And I think at least Discord, 43 00:03:08.285 --> 00:03:17.340 right, they they, like, specifically don't let your agents do that. And I think that's they're really missing out on the, you know, this wave of the future. So 44 00:03:17.740 --> 00:03:38.745 it's pretty neat. It's been cool. One of the features I added to the agent instructions and skill for this podcast agent is I said, okay, we've got this self hosted open source hydropool that we use from the foundation for our HashDash where people can contribute and donate Hashrate. In attempts to solo mine a block, we've gamified it. We usually close out the show with it. 45 00:03:39.880 --> 00:03:55.465 It's Nostr enabled as well. So you can have a worker or username be your NPUB and it will link to your Nostr profile. And I was like, well, we have, I think a two week rolling history or fifteen day rolling history in the logs of the Prometheus and Grafana API, 46 00:03:55.625 --> 00:03:57.065 which is the database. 47 00:03:57.224 --> 00:03:59.625 And so I was like, tell me effectively, 48 00:03:59.625 --> 00:04:05.865 you know, who's taken over who? And over the past week it can query and tell us easily, in the past week it says, 49 00:04:06.185 --> 00:04:22.840 let's see, let me find it, peak of five eighty terahash per second on the hash dash over the past week, a peak of 21 users and 51 workers, new people that joined, Kenneth. We've got who overtook who in the loyalty. Tyler overtook Scott from nine to ten. 50 00:04:24.975 --> 00:04:26.175 Fax777 51 00:04:26.175 --> 00:04:27.615 overtook HardistBlox. 52 00:04:27.695 --> 00:04:29.695 Who had big windows of contributions? 53 00:04:29.695 --> 00:04:32.175 Dylan, when he was testing his Mugena 54 00:04:32.175 --> 00:04:33.135 implementation 55 00:04:33.615 --> 00:04:48.040 on the S19K Pro he's got. Who dropped off, who got booted, who's unchanged. So that's just a cool way where we can summarize over the past week since the last podcast what's been going on on our Hashdash. Am I reading this right? PUBKey has the best difficulty now? 56 00:04:49.635 --> 00:04:53.475 Personal best, pubkey took pool best 1.73E 57 00:04:53.475 --> 00:04:55.795 to the tenth to 1.265E 58 00:04:55.795 --> 00:04:58.115 to the eleventh. Is that the difficulty? 59 00:04:58.195 --> 00:05:00.195 Yep. Let's like 60 00:05:00.595 --> 00:05:03.280 a different way to express difficulty from really? A 61 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:06.560 So it's not the overall difficulty. 62 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:11.120 It is in the past two weeks that was the highest difficulty. But it's a T. 63 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:13.919 That's a bit axe. So that's pretty cool. 64 00:05:15.315 --> 00:05:17.155 That's a lucky miner. Is 65 00:05:17.155 --> 00:05:19.635 it 1,265,000,000,000? 66 00:05:19.635 --> 00:05:22.515 Is that what it's saying? E to the eleventh is what? 67 00:05:24.355 --> 00:05:26.835 That's Well, so nine is 68 00:05:27.155 --> 00:05:28.035 G 69 00:05:28.355 --> 00:05:29.075 and 70 00:05:29.235 --> 00:05:34.420 12 is T. So that's It's 126,000,000,000. 71 00:05:34.420 --> 00:05:35.700 Yeah. 126 72 00:05:35.700 --> 00:05:48.435 gs. So that's Okay. Okay. That's not quite a T, but that's still pretty good. Yeah. Awesome. So shout out pub key. Shout out pub key. That'd be cool to add to the UI as well. Kind of the best difficulty, you know, in a rolling time window. Yeah, definitely. 73 00:05:48.595 --> 00:05:53.315 Should set when your agent's on that. Yeah. So where do we wanna start now that we've got this organized 74 00:05:53.395 --> 00:06:05.980 recap on the happenings in Bitcoin and Bitcoin mining? Mean, I like the go ahead, Scott. I was just gonna say maybe we should just go off script right away with this Yeah. Perfect. Liquid thing Tangent. Happened last night. Tangent. 75 00:06:07.500 --> 00:06:13.100 Specifically Bitcoin mining related, but still insanely interesting, we don't have to dwell on it. But 76 00:06:14.125 --> 00:06:15.085 Blockstream 77 00:06:15.805 --> 00:06:18.604 from Adam Back and and Friends 78 00:06:19.564 --> 00:06:29.820 has been running this side chain for a while now called Liquid. I don't really know how it works. But It's a shitcoin project. He I think he was gonna say it's a shitcoin. 79 00:06:30.380 --> 00:06:41.595 But okay. Yeah. So they have the sidechain Liquid. You can, like, peg in and out of Bitcoin, and they have an exchange and and whatnot. Anyways, last night, yesterday, 80 00:06:42.395 --> 00:06:43.515 some hackers 81 00:06:44.235 --> 00:06:55.195 withdrew 4,000 Bitcoin, which is basically all of the Bitcoin that I think was amongst the federation that sets up the nodes for this side chain. It was all the pegged collateral. 82 00:06:55.275 --> 00:07:02.410 Okay. Right? Like, that's what backs the liquid. Okay. So that's not

necessarily all Blockstream's money, but probably mostly. 83 00:07:04.409 --> 00:07:23.365 Anyways, they would they've just withdrew it all. There was some bug in the way that the pegging worked, and I don't know exactly know how that works, but they were able to withdraw the Bitcoins and not liquid tokens, but the Bitcoin 4,000 Bitcoin. They left a message, an opportune message in the transaction that said we are white hat hackers, contact us on chain, 84 00:07:24.860 --> 00:07:31.580 which is That's the funniest part of this whole thing. It's like, contact us on chain. It's this chat platform. You've heard of it. Right? And 85 00:07:34.860 --> 00:07:35.740 so 86 00:07:35.979 --> 00:07:46.015 Blockstream did immediately contact them on chain. And so this is great because we can all see these messages back and forth. And they were like, yeah. Like, fix your fix the bug. 87 00:07:46.495 --> 00:07:57.660 And, you know, they they were using, like, PGP signatures and to verify that everything was right. And blockchain's like, okay. Yeah. We fixed it. Send back the money. And they sent back, 88 00:07:57.980 --> 00:07:59.180 85% 89 00:07:59.180 --> 00:08:04.700 of the of the 4,000 Bitcoin, leaving about 600 Bitcoin for themselves. 90 00:08:05.335 --> 00:08:13.335 Right? They kind of just decided to take that as their own fee for this bug bounty work. Is that how white hacking works? You get to keep Yeah, 91 00:08:14.055 --> 00:08:18.380 that's exactly my question. That is not how white hacking works. And 92 00:08:18.780 --> 00:08:22.940 I think that that was stupid on their point, like, because they're still 93 00:08:23.180 --> 00:08:23.979 stealing 94 00:08:24.060 --> 00:08:25.979 50, roughly $50,000,000 95 00:08:25.979 --> 00:08:29.100 worth of Bitcoin. Right? So it's not quite as much. 96 00:08:29.500 --> 00:08:36.225 But now they're still in this situation where they're, like, you know, running from the feds and looking over their shoulder for the rest of their lives 97 00:08:37.185 --> 00:08:39.505 because they've stolen $50,000,000. 98 00:08:40.865 --> 00:08:48.870 And I don't know. It just doesn't seem like that's enough to, like, buy a private island and disappear with a new identity for the rest of your lives. So I don't know. It seems like 99 00:08:49.750 --> 00:08:55.110 They should have returned it all, and I'm sure Blockstream would have compensated them for a bug 100 00:08:55.269 --> 00:09:05.115 bounty kind of thing. And then they would be in the free and clear, and they would have done a great thing and got some money out of it. But now they're still thieves of $50,000,000 101 00:09:05.115 --> 00:09:10.715 So on chain comms is not necessarily responsible disclosure? Yeah, stealing the 102 00:09:11.115 --> 00:09:15.355 Bitcoin and then telling the prior owner after the fact 103 00:09:15.835 --> 00:09:20.079 in public is probably not the most responsible disclosure 104 00:09:20.079 --> 00:09:20.959 method, 105 00:09:21.920 --> 00:09:26.160 that's at their disposal. But, yes, that's one way of doing it, I suppose. 106 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:32.320 Yeah. This really seems like some kids that just got at Kimmy and found something and just, 107 00:09:32.695 --> 00:09:34.535 I don't know, don't really know what they're doing. 108 00:09:35.095 --> 00:09:48.055 Yeah, it doesn't seem very well thought out. Does not seem very well thought out. I saw someone tweeted that they replicated the bug find with a five word prompt. Yeah, that was orange surf. Yeah. And he did a write up too on like what the exploit was 109 00:09:48.740 --> 00:09:54.020 or at least, like, a long form Twitter post that I read last night. 110 00:09:54.660 --> 00:09:58.740 It had something to do with the way Liquid cashed 111 00:09:59.220 --> 00:09:59.620 keys, 112 00:10:00.335 --> 00:10:00.895 and 113 00:10:03.295 --> 00:10:09.055 I'm not gonna pretend like I know how the technicals of Liquid worked, but 114 00:10:09.455 --> 00:10:21.860 I don't know. See Orange Surf on Twitter. He's got a good post on it that explains what And I think they paused the liquid side chain. Right? Because you still have your liquid coins, 115 00:10:22.180 --> 00:10:26.260 but they just aren't pegged to real Bitcoin anymore. Or now they're pegged to less 116 00:10:26.714 --> 00:10:29.755 Well, think they stopped the liquid network and all the exchanges 117 00:10:29.755 --> 00:10:56.695 also paused, right? So the liquid network is like a 100% down. It's hits after hits with Bolts getting hacked too. Like I think of Francis and the Bolt Bitcoin team, like these apps that were using Bolts for Lightning Swaps and the Liquid Network. That's two of their main tools that have been attacked, you know? And then you had the cold card debacle from last month, and there's a lot of threat vectors coming after Bitcoin, but it makes sense. It's final settlement. Can't stop it. 118 00:10:57.175 --> 00:11:00.935 It makes me glad to think that I'm not in the custody space. 119 00:11:01.495 --> 00:11:03.015 That would be stressful. 120 00:11:03.095 --> 00:11:05.895 And also I'm curious what you guys think. It made me oftentimes 121 00:11:06.375 --> 00:11:14.720 this makes me think back to our friend Rob Warren. This argument that Bitcoin mining secures your Bitcoin, right? It secures the blockchain. Well, it's like 122 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:15.760 really 123 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:16.800 encryption 124 00:11:16.800 --> 00:11:30.014 secures your Bitcoin. What does it mean that mining's function is in this? Because I think these examples have highlighted that the miners didn't stop this. They didn't secure it from happening, right? Well, and to be even more specific, it's actually- 125 00:11:30.894 --> 00:11:33.615 You're cutting out for a second. Token fee that secures 126 00:11:34.095 --> 00:11:36.495 your Bitcoin in an extremely 127 00:11:36.495 --> 00:11:38.095 large and uncomprehensible 128 00:11:38.095 --> 00:11:43.650 number space.

There's no real encryption involved. But yeah, to your point, it's, 129 00:11:44.370 --> 00:11:49.490 you know, yeah, the miners didn't stop this from happening, and I do think people overuse 130 00:11:49.570 --> 00:11:50.530 the term 131 00:11:51.090 --> 00:12:00.295 mining secures the network. I think what they're trying to say is, you know, miners will ensure that blocks continue to get mined. But in terms of, like, 132 00:12:01.495 --> 00:12:02.295 miners 133 00:12:03.014 --> 00:12:17.030 stopping hacks from happening or, like, preventing other people's Bitcoin from getting stolen, you know, that's that should definitely not be convoluted or confused for what miners' function actually is. Miners I mean, there's a lot of 134 00:12:17.670 --> 00:12:22.630 of different facets of of securing the Bitcoin network. Yeah. It's a Venn diagram. 135 00:12:22.870 --> 00:12:34.175 Miners do do it. Right? Like, they do a important piece of securing the network. Right? Because you could have, you know, your PGP keys that say, I am eco, and that can't be faked. 136 00:12:34.415 --> 00:12:45.820 Mhmm. But then if someone else comes along and says, I'm eco. Here's my PGP keys. Right? Now we have this problem. And that's that's kind of what miners secure is that, you know, this this this blockchain is 137 00:12:46.060 --> 00:12:47.340 the the 138 00:12:47.660 --> 00:12:54.380 ledger going forward. You can't change that. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Different roles and different security now, 139 00:12:55.375 --> 00:12:59.215 Lootcoin is not a part of that. Yes. I heard it's called 140 00:12:59.695 --> 00:13:00.735 Bcasher, 141 00:13:00.975 --> 00:13:02.175 Bcash JR. 142 00:13:02.255 --> 00:13:10.010 That's my new favorite name for it. Bcasher. Perfect. I love it. Well, I'm curious to see what comes from this liquid event. 143 00:13:10.090 --> 00:13:16.250 Yeah. They're gonna be hunting these people. It does bring up some interesting questions about what does responsible disclosure look like now. 144 00:13:17.130 --> 00:13:23.565 You know, you can imagine if these are just some kids, and they're like, woah, shit. We we got on Kimmy, we found this this exploit. 145 00:13:23.644 --> 00:13:44.205 They're not the only ones who could do that. Yeah. Exactly. There could be other people who are hot on this trail as well. And so, like, you at least have to ask yourself, like, is there time for responsible disclosure? I would argue, yes. But, you know, the analogy is like, there's a kitten in the road, and there's a car speeding towards it. Right? Like, maybe maybe. This is just hypothetical, 146 00:13:44.205 --> 00:13:51.725 but, like, you know, in this case, you just grab the kit and get it out of the road and get it to the side. Now they did hold it for ransom once they got it. But 147 00:13:53.245 --> 00:13:59.290 Yes. Like, if it had if it had been, like, North Korea or some other, like, even worse actor, 148 00:13:59.370 --> 00:14:08.010 they could have just kept 100%

of those 4,000 Bitcoin and not returned any of it. Right? So, I mean, you do have to give these 149 00:14:08.010 --> 00:14:10.330 quote unquote white hackers 150 00:14:11.855 --> 00:14:15.134 some credit for returning 85% 151 00:14:15.134 --> 00:14:27.375 of it, but still it's like- Gray hat. Gray hat. Yeah, it's not really white hat. Yeah, it's well, to your point, Scott, too, it's like there used to be some technical expertise skill level required to find these exploits, 152 00:14:27.660 --> 00:14:31.660 right? Right. And those people understood what responsible 153 00:14:31.980 --> 00:14:55.085 disclosure meant, and now it's anyone can find exploits. Yeah, and it's the time to do it is just dramatically decreased, So you you have to assume that if you found something, like, someone else maybe already has it or is about to have it. So there is that. But I still think that they could have, you know, as soon as they found it, like, fired off an email to, to Blockstream. 154 00:14:55.430 --> 00:15:06.149 And then, you know, instead of a thirty day disclosure window, maybe you have like a thirty minute disclosure window, but like still, you know, you can do this. So so we shouldn't we shouldn't 155 00:15:07.110 --> 00:15:12.795 when we're doing two five six red team work, take a bunch of hashrate and point it at -.256f.org 156 00:15:12.795 --> 00:15:14.635 as our responsible disclosure. 157 00:15:14.635 --> 00:15:29.459 Just put point exahash upon exahash at our solo mining pool. Yeah. So we figured out how to like command and control the entire Bitcoin mining network. We should we shouldn't just point it all at our own wallets right away. Yeah, give them at least thirty days. Which, 158 00:15:29.940 --> 00:15:30.660 I mean, 159 00:15:31.380 --> 00:15:35.620 do we wanna talk about Red Hat and what's going on with those efforts? 160 00:15:37.335 --> 00:15:39.175 Red team? Red team? 161 00:15:39.815 --> 00:15:48.375 Scott, think you're more involved, right? Have you been working with Schnitzel on it? Yes. I mean, Schnitzel has been doing the lion's share of the work, but I've been following along. 162 00:15:49.015 --> 00:15:52.260 Schnitzel has been putting the latest and greatest 163 00:15:52.980 --> 00:15:54.020 AI tools, 164 00:15:54.260 --> 00:15:57.220 especially ones that are like Kimi that are, 165 00:15:57.620 --> 00:15:59.140 don't have these 166 00:15:59.700 --> 00:16:03.780 supposed moral qualms about doing network research, security research stuff, 167 00:16:04.655 --> 00:16:06.335 which are very expensive, 168 00:16:06.415 --> 00:16:13.695 by the way. But yeah, Schnitzel's been diving into that all the latest and greatest tools at our disposal to look at 169 00:16:14.415 --> 00:16:31.110 these projects. And, you know, a lot of the red teamwork that's happening out there is with open source projects. And so that makes it a lot easier to analyze how the code is functioning and find these problems. In our case, none of the tools are

open source. That's the whole reason why we're doing two fifty six foundations to fix that. 170 00:16:34.495 --> 00:16:37.454 Schnitzel is, you know, decompiling these binaries, 171 00:16:37.454 --> 00:16:38.095 which 172 00:16:38.415 --> 00:16:46.654 aren't sometimes aren't even very easy to get the binaries themselves. So you gotta get the binary. You gotta decompile with tools like we're talking about with Gidra before Gidra. 173 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:55.240 And then kind of set up a sandbox environment where you can run it and you can try 174 00:16:55.639 --> 00:17:02.135 setting up your own network and do man in the middle attacks, things like that. And really hitting it from all angles, malformed inputs, 175 00:17:02.215 --> 00:17:03.175 trying to see, 176 00:17:03.654 --> 00:17:05.815 you know, trying to to test it for holes. 177 00:17:06.055 --> 00:17:07.575 And unsurprisingly, 178 00:17:07.575 --> 00:17:21.299 I guess, or maybe surprisingly, depending on how you think this all works, he's found lots of lots of issues, you know, lots of sort of low and medium severity type stuff, and I think a couple very surprising high severity 179 00:17:21.700 --> 00:17:22.580 issues. 180 00:17:22.580 --> 00:17:24.500 We are doing full disclosure 181 00:17:25.245 --> 00:17:27.085 to the manufacturers, 182 00:17:27.085 --> 00:17:29.485 responsible disclosure, thirty day window, 183 00:17:30.684 --> 00:17:31.245 and, 184 00:17:32.205 --> 00:17:35.485 you know, genuinely trying to provide this information to them first. 185 00:17:37.245 --> 00:17:46.270 And I don't actually know if how I guess some of them have been responding. Some of the some of the manufacturers, some of the miners are interested in working on this. Others not so much. 186 00:17:46.990 --> 00:17:52.270 So, yeah, the thirty window thirty day window is gonna be up. I think it's next week. Should be the eleventh. 187 00:17:53.375 --> 00:17:54.974 Yes. So Friday. 188 00:17:55.455 --> 00:17:56.174 Friday. 189 00:17:56.255 --> 00:17:56.974 So Damn. 190 00:17:57.534 --> 00:17:59.934 Yeah. That's when the findings 191 00:18:00.335 --> 00:18:02.174 become public and 192 00:18:02.495 --> 00:18:03.375 people 193 00:18:03.375 --> 00:18:14.110 can see what's going on there. I assume that that will inspire more people to dig into this stuff with their own agents and see what they can come up with. It's highlighted a couple of things. 194 00:18:16.110 --> 00:18:23.394 One being that a lot of large operators have their own custom firmware images, be it their own firmware or 195 00:18:23.395 --> 00:18:26.195 tweaked versions of other firmware providers. 196 00:18:26.275 --> 00:18:34.035 And so it's been interesting to see the collaboration in that niche of the industry. The other thing that I've picked up from some conversations 197 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:35.959 watching the guys work is, 198 00:18:36.679 --> 00:18:42.759 which is just chef's kiss for the industry, it's like, Hey, I found this bug

in this one firmware from this one manufacturer. 199 00:18:42.840 --> 00:18:46.519 Does anyone know anyone at that company? And they're like, No. 200 00:18:47.159 --> 00:18:50.274 So very immature indication of where 201 00:18:50.275 --> 00:18:54.515 we're at and it reinforces what we've been talking about for 124 202 00:18:54.515 --> 00:18:58.274 previous episodes. Yeah, it is really ridiculous. I mean, there's 203 00:18:58.755 --> 00:19:19.129 BIG with a capital B industry that relies on these tools. So it's taking seriously. Well, stay tuned for breaking news on Friday. Yeah. Yeah. Next week, I'm sure will be a fun pod. Are we gonna post that from the two fifty six Twitter account or just follow Schnitzel or what? Follow both. Both. Okay. Yeah. And there'll be 204 00:19:19.665 --> 00:19:21.985 a lot of detail on our website as well 205 00:19:23.265 --> 00:19:29.505 coming up. Scott, what's been going on with KiCad and Astra? So KiCad is fantastic 206 00:19:29.505 --> 00:19:33.745 GPL open source software for designing PCBs. It's been around for a long time. 207 00:19:35.450 --> 00:20:01.345 It kinda went from this project that was like this goofball project that no one would use. Like, I remember trying to use it around, like, version four, and I was like, this is a hot mess. I can't even figure out how to install it, much less, like, actually make a PCB with it. And then I came back to it around version six. I was like, Okay, I think I was using like a prerelease version of six. And I was like, I was doing contract design work back then. And I was like, I think I can do a project with this. 208 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:13.840 And now they're on. Well, we're on the heels of version 11 being released and it's gotten really good. It's very usable. You can do professional grade work with it and it's all open source. 209 00:20:15.685 --> 00:20:20.245 A complete novice like me was even able to use it productively. 210 00:20:20.245 --> 00:20:23.045 Which is saying a lot because these tools are 211 00:20:23.525 --> 00:20:24.325 these 212 00:20:24.325 --> 00:20:29.205 CAD tools, they call them ECAD electronics CAD tools are notorious 213 00:20:29.205 --> 00:20:30.005 for being 214 00:20:30.460 --> 00:20:31.260 really 215 00:20:32.380 --> 00:20:38.940 just dense. Right? And it's not like an intuitive process and a huge learning curve. So that is saying a lot. 216 00:20:39.340 --> 00:20:42.300 KiCad is really neat because it's open source. It's free. 217 00:20:43.115 --> 00:20:44.955 Whereas the other tools 218 00:20:45.035 --> 00:20:49.355 are, you know, thousands of dollars a year for a license. 219 00:20:49.355 --> 00:20:53.835 You know, they're all SaaS, and they're all very expensive. And they do have a lot more features, but 220 00:20:55.789 --> 00:20:59.230 kinda like specialist stuff. Anyways, Keycut is fantastic 221 00:20:59.230 --> 00:21:00.029 project. 222 00:21:00.190 --> 00:21:05.070 I've been you know, all the bit axes were designed with that. The Ember one, the LibreBoard, 223 00:21:05.070 --> 00:21:13.535 like very workable software. Well, then this AI thing happened. I don't know if you guys heard, but AI has been pretty popular lately. No. 224 00:21:13.615 --> 00:21:16.255 Yeah. Yeah. It's totally crazy. And so 225 00:21:16.575 --> 00:21:27.679 it's a natural fit that, like, people would point their AI tools at open source software, KiCad, and try and integrate it. And people have been working on that for a while, and it's been 226 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:29.440 it's been, 227 00:21:29.840 --> 00:21:31.039 you know, helpful, 228 00:21:31.120 --> 00:21:33.999 but it wasn't like you just one shot a PCB. You know? 229 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:39.885 In the past, LLMs have had really difficult time with kind of, like, spatial 230 00:21:39.885 --> 00:21:48.765 stuff, you know, like like, make a JPEG and connect these two lines together, and it would just sort of, like, fail. Right? It's a large language model, not like a large, like, graphics model or something. 231 00:21:49.930 --> 00:22:01.290 So it always you could get it to make a schematic, but, like, the lines wouldn't connect, and you're like, what's going on? Well, I guess, ASTRO, one of its one of its main features that they added was improving that, like, spatial 232 00:22:02.465 --> 00:22:03.345 ability 233 00:22:03.745 --> 00:22:07.265 so that it can actually, like, generate cohesive schematics. 234 00:22:08.385 --> 00:22:30.460 And they before they released it, they actually demoed it, like, from OpenAI. They had a demo video that they posted of a board being auto routed, like, the the parts being placed on the board and rotated and doing all the tracks and laying it all out. That blew my mind when I saw that because like we have not been anywhere near that with AI tools. Like we've had auto routers as software for a decade or more, 235 00:22:32.025 --> 00:22:51.070 but you've never seen an AI tool do it. So that was really cool. And then there was just immediately, like, you know, the whole Twitterverse that pays attention to this stuff was blown up with, how do we do this? Like, they, you know, they just released a video, like, no prompts or scale files or anything like that. And so Wow. A lot of people have been digging into it, including myself. 236 00:22:51.310 --> 00:22:52.030 And 237 00:22:52.910 --> 00:23:02.455 I'm proud to report that it it is a huge stepwise improvement in the ability of AI LLM models to generate PCBs. 238 00:23:02.455 --> 00:23:03.014 I 239 00:23:04.615 --> 00:23:17.860 have got a project which is kind of a separate board for that contains the display for the Bidax Proto, and it need I needed to change the display. And I I wasn't exactly one shotting it, but, like, it's doing the work. Crazy. 240 00:23:17.860 --> 00:23:20.899 So I think the the future where you you can, 241 00:23:21.059 --> 00:23:21.700 like, 242 00:23:22.580 --> 00:23:31.835 use AI to build a real working PCB design and

then, you know, have a manufacturer build it or maybe build it yourself, that's coming really quickly. 243 00:23:32.715 --> 00:23:33.274 Wow. 244 00:23:33.515 --> 00:23:35.835 Not ten years? No, no. I think 245 00:23:37.034 --> 00:23:38.554 ten months we 246 00:23:39.195 --> 00:23:43.000 will be one shotting basic PCBs and 'll be enabling, 247 00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:52.679 people with minimal prior experience to bang out very complicated PCBs in a hurry. So that's really cool. That's really, really cool. I think that this relates to, 248 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:57.815 what we're trying to do at 256 on the hardware side of things in that now 249 00:23:58.455 --> 00:24:03.015 with our reference designs, like number one and LibreBoard and maybe future projects, 250 00:24:03.975 --> 00:24:06.615 things we can provide are are like skill files 251 00:24:06.775 --> 00:24:11.415 Mhmm. As to like how to do it. It can use the reference design as context, 252 00:24:11.415 --> 00:24:33.104 and you could just talk to your LM and be like, I want to add, I want to double the number of ASICs on it, or I want to make it the form factor to fit in this shoebox or this hot water heater. And you can iterate now very quickly and modify this to do what you want, which before was a very, very involved manual process. And these large models thrive 253 00:24:33.345 --> 00:24:34.624 on examples, 254 00:24:34.784 --> 00:24:37.984 right? Because that's what they ingest as their context. 255 00:24:37.985 --> 00:24:48.200 And so it reinforces the skill file, sure, and the compute power and the model's ability to do that is one thing, but then having a reference of an open source firmware, 256 00:24:48.280 --> 00:25:02.495 hash board, control board, and mining pool is what is going to allow this rapid development. Yes. I I think the future where you could take, you know, the the the output of two fifty six and all the the reference designs 257 00:25:03.615 --> 00:25:08.575 and a skill file that says how to use KiCad and maybe a skill file that shows how to use 258 00:25:09.460 --> 00:25:28.404 Fusion three sixty or whatever mechanical CAD package you like. So now you have a reference design, you have the the skill files, so your AI can interact with your tools, and you can say, make it do this, and it'll just go. And then you can say, check it, simulate it, like, you know, do everything to convince me that it's right. Great. Generate the manufacturing files, 259 00:25:28.405 --> 00:25:30.965 send that out to your your manufacturer, 260 00:25:31.445 --> 00:25:40.550 and, you know you know, in a week, you get back the boards. And maybe you send the mechanical stuff to send, cut, send or whatever, and you get back the mechanical enclosure, 261 00:25:40.550 --> 00:25:43.990 and you just start putting together things. Now this will be prototypes, 262 00:25:43.990 --> 00:25:49.429 and there'll probably be some iteration that needs to go. But surprise, surprise, AI tools are very good at, 263 00:25:49.830 --> 00:25:52.885 at testing. This is really cool. I actually pointed 264 00:25:52.885 --> 00:26:01.125 I have an oscilloscope that has a ethernet connection on it. And so I just pointed I hooked up the probes from the oscilloscope to the device I wanted to test, and 265 00:26:02.005 --> 00:26:04.130 I hooked up. I, 266 00:26:04.130 --> 00:26:24.695 you know, gave my agent the IP address of the oscilloscope, and I was like, this isn't working. Test it and figure it out. And it was generating PDF reports that it gave to me with plots of the waveforms and being like, okay, this is not right. This is what's happening. It had access to the schematic for the board I was testing, and it'd be like, you know, if you change the capacitance of this one capacitor, 267 00:26:24.855 --> 00:26:31.330 that could damp this spike that you're seeing here. Like, it's just madness. It's so fast. Dude, that's amazing. 268 00:26:31.490 --> 00:26:32.049 So, 269 00:26:32.929 --> 00:26:49.134 yeah, it's hard to explain how exciting this is. And this is gonna come to the broader electronic space and all niche industries, right? But it won't come to mining unless there are these reference building blocks. Yeah. Yeah. That's a really important point. You need to have something 270 00:26:49.695 --> 00:26:51.054 to give your 271 00:26:51.375 --> 00:26:54.174 model, to give your LM context. 272 00:26:54.335 --> 00:27:09.300 I guess you could reverse engineer it. You could have it reverse engineer it. But that's a whole Well, that's what everyone's been doing. That's a whole sideways path into this. And then you don't, like, completely know how it works. So, yeah, having having this output from 256, 273 00:27:09.300 --> 00:27:19.235 the stuff we're working on, the open source stuff, and then all the people in the community who have commented what they've done and what's worked, what they've tried, what hasn't worked, all that is context. 274 00:27:19.235 --> 00:27:21.554 You can build so fast. 275 00:27:21.795 --> 00:27:22.434 I'm pumped. 276 00:27:22.915 --> 00:27:25.635 So that idiots like Eco and I can build miners. 277 00:27:26.899 --> 00:27:31.539 Everyone's going to be building their miners. So the question is now, which ASIC manufacturer 278 00:27:31.539 --> 00:27:37.859 will sell chips? Yeah, who's selling all those chips? There was a really funny post. There's this guy, he's an electronics 279 00:27:37.860 --> 00:27:39.299 commentary guy on Twitter. 280 00:27:42.095 --> 00:27:43.135 He's he's 281 00:27:43.295 --> 00:27:49.135 I two c Jack, like J A K. Amazing follow. Just the funniest stuff. But he's like, 282 00:27:50.815 --> 00:28:05.290 look what I just one shotted with the new Astra model, and it's this picture of a like a full size room machine from TSMC. It's just like a render of it, but he was just implying that he'd made his own PC or his own chip fab. Obviously, he can't do that yet, but 283 00:28:05.770 --> 00:28:17.104 the the

sentiment is correct. Like, this stuff is moving very fast. Things that you can design and build now are things that were impossibly out of reach six months ago. That's crazy. Yeah. So we're excited 284 00:28:17.905 --> 00:28:49.855 to go to the open source AI summit that Presidio Bitcoin is putting on this coming week, two, five, six team, a handful of us will be there because these are tools that integrate directly into our work and our mission, everyone's work and mission. So hopefully there's some more learnings we can extract. Yeah. Yeah. I'm really excited about that. I think they really focus on local stuff, which is important too. Mhmm. I was telling Tyler earlier, was I was just jamming away on my on in codex, like, blah blah, and it it totally blew its brains out. It just like it printed some Korean characters 285 00:28:50.095 --> 00:28:58.140 and then started showing me, like, inner monologue, which was really weird. And then it said mentioned something about recipes and chefs and things, and it just stopped. 286 00:28:58.940 --> 00:29:03.740 And Dude, what? It was weird. But my heart sank. I was like, no. No. No. Like, I gotta have this. 287 00:29:04.485 --> 00:29:09.445 Don't be failing me now. I'm in the middle of a project. I gotta get this done. You could just imagine 288 00:29:09.845 --> 00:29:19.749 if the powers that be rugged our access to AI, it would crash the global economy at this point. Much less take all of us freedom tech fighters offline. 289 00:29:20.070 --> 00:29:23.190 Do you do you run your own local agent or, 290 00:29:23.510 --> 00:29:31.235 like Well so, yes, I do. I don't I'm not using it for my, like, mainline development. I'm using OpenAI's 291 00:29:31.235 --> 00:29:35.234 Astra now. But I'd actually, you can see it right there. I got this box, 292 00:29:35.955 --> 00:29:36.514 and 293 00:29:37.875 --> 00:29:39.154 I got an old 294 00:29:40.995 --> 00:29:42.195 a very old 295 00:29:42.355 --> 00:29:43.394 NVIDIA, 296 00:29:43.394 --> 00:29:45.475 like, workstation GPU 297 00:29:45.390 --> 00:29:47.710 and put it in there and loaded 298 00:29:49.230 --> 00:29:50.909 a QUEN 3.8 299 00:29:51.070 --> 00:29:53.549 on there. And it's surprisingly 300 00:29:53.550 --> 00:30:05.254 good. That's awesome. Yeah. Like, I think it could, you know, in the AI apocalypse, it sustain me. So for the listeners, how do they get started if they want to start hacking on either mining software 301 00:30:05.255 --> 00:30:08.134 or mining firmware or mining hardware 302 00:30:08.135 --> 00:30:12.695 with AI tools? Is it as dumb simple as 303 00:30:12.070 --> 00:30:20.790 getting an account or downloading a local model and then pointing it at some public repos and asking it to start hacking around? You know that old meme like when your 304 00:30:20.950 --> 00:30:28.794 mom or something would ask you like, Oh, how do I get the printer working? Just Google it. Like, please, Google Nest ideas. The new is like, just ask ChatGPT. 305 00:30:29.274 --> 00:30:38.235 I say this all the time now and those seem to discord as people will be like, oh, you know, like I'm having trouble doing this. I'm like, like, I could help you, but like, you should ask OpenAI. 306 00:30:38.235 --> 00:30:51.249 Like, if you have to reference the ESP minor GitHub, put that in there, tell it what you're trying to do. You could talk all night with that thing like any questions you have. It'll lead you down the right path. It'll answer them so that that's what I recommend is. 307 00:30:51.809 --> 00:30:55.170 You don't even need to get fancy like get the the free 308 00:30:56.294 --> 00:30:57.575 chat GPT 309 00:30:57.735 --> 00:31:00.054 or grok or 310 00:31:00.615 --> 00:31:01.414 claud 311 00:31:02.375 --> 00:31:03.335 chat 312 00:31:03.335 --> 00:31:04.215 agent 313 00:31:04.215 --> 00:31:13.859 and just start asking it questions like it be like it will. It will give you the two fifty six repos if that's pertinent to what you're trying to do. But ask it your questions, 314 00:31:14.419 --> 00:31:27.555 start a dialogue with it, and just It will take you very far down the rabbit hole. So yeah, that's what I would do. I'd be like, you know, if you, like, have something in a goal in mind that you wanna do, like, say, I wanna build a number one, 315 00:31:28.355 --> 00:31:33.235 you know, you can give it the the repo. You can give it the the two fifty six website, 316 00:31:33.235 --> 00:31:36.515 the the the discourse 317 00:31:35.850 --> 00:31:37.769 chat room as context, 318 00:31:37.770 --> 00:31:52.475 and it will help you understand a ton about that. Get it up get up to speed really quickly. You can even, like, chat with it. Right? You don't have to type. You can just talk to it while you're driving to work or, like, sitting on the bus. Like In your cyber cab robotaxi? 319 00:31:52.475 --> 00:31:54.715 Yes. While you're in your robotaxi, 320 00:31:55.515 --> 00:31:59.995 it'll get you up to speed really quickly. And then you can jump off and get 321 00:32:00.235 --> 00:32:03.195 a development environment set up, testing tools, 322 00:32:03.355 --> 00:32:04.475 all that, be 323 00:32:05.320 --> 00:32:11.720 a 10x engineer overnight. That's wild. It's never been easier. Yeah, right. And 324 00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:12.840 it's 325 00:32:12.840 --> 00:32:15.960 exponentially easier and it's getting easier 326 00:32:16.040 --> 00:32:18.680 by the day. You see that Bitmain's 327 00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:19.960 new S23 328 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:21.160 XP 329 00:32:20.924 --> 00:32:22.125 is 8.9 330 00:32:22.125 --> 00:32:24.044 joules per terahash. Crazy. 331 00:32:24.284 --> 00:32:26.364 That's crazy. Liquid cooled? Yeah, 332 00:32:26.845 --> 00:32:31.724 it's a hydro only. Yeah, three And it runs on, yeah, three phase. That 333 00:32:32.284 --> 00:32:34.445 is interesting. You gotta be a special 334 00:32:34.850 --> 00:32:55.754 kind of crazy if you wanna try that at home. Not even commercial

buildings have four eighty volt power very often. It's usually two zero eight, three fifty. Yeah, two zero eight. Need a step up transformer. It's like, yeah, you gotta need it to have it. Like if I didn't have so many projects already, I feel like, what do we need to do here? We need to understand how those hash boards work, 335 00:32:56.394 --> 00:32:57.754 how the firmware works, 336 00:32:58.394 --> 00:33:12.149 but we could hook up a different power supply to it. If you want to usually, Like they have three hash boards in there. If you want to, maybe you could just run one. That's probably, like, a couple thousand watts. That's now we're in the the realm of single phase power. 337 00:33:12.470 --> 00:33:18.054 We just need a different power supply. We need to figure out how to deliver 24 volts or whatever the hash board wants. 338 00:33:18.775 --> 00:33:30.700 And then you gotta keep it cool, and you gotta have firmware that doesn't just blow its brains out when it doesn't recognize the stock power supply, which is what Magena will do for you. So these things are these things are within reach. 339 00:33:32.540 --> 00:33:36.220 It's just said, for example, 24 volt power supply 340 00:33:36.540 --> 00:33:38.460 at the rated power 341 00:33:39.340 --> 00:33:41.020 for these hash boards. 342 00:33:41.644 --> 00:33:46.124 And so if you want to just run one, we could do it. Yeah, the physics don't change. 343 00:33:47.804 --> 00:33:51.005 Dylan had Mugino working on an S19K 344 00:33:51.005 --> 00:33:52.445 Pro last week and 345 00:33:52.605 --> 00:33:54.445 he was trying to implement the 346 00:33:54.940 --> 00:34:10.220 power set feature where you demand a specific wattage when really that's one input but under the hood it's tweaking voltage and frequency, so two knobs and that results in some wattage consumption and some current that many miners don't report. And so 347 00:34:11.795 --> 00:34:14.515 it was funny, the stock AMLogic 348 00:34:14.515 --> 00:34:21.555 control board had both brains and Mugena on it at the same time, and it was just switching back and forth. They're both like, what the hell is going on? 349 00:34:22.035 --> 00:34:24.755 Couldn't run them both at the same time, but it was switching back and forth. 350 00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:32.600 And it was effectively trying to figure out this, is it a lookup table, Scott? So it's interesting, like LuxOS 351 00:34:32.600 --> 00:34:41.240 in the UI, it just gives you the two knobs. It says set voltage, set frequency. And then it shows you that resulting wattage estimate. BrainsOS says put in your wattage request, 352 00:34:41.585 --> 00:34:53.505 but it's tweaking voltage and frequency behind screen. And you made me think of that with wattage and single board because we came into the space the next day and the whole building smelled like burnt PCBs. 353 00:34:53.744 --> 00:34:54.705 Oh no. 354 00:34:55.265 --> 00:35:05.140 Delightful smell in the morning. Yeah. So that's part of development, but it's been interesting. That is reverse engineering, right? Like how does this work? Because they didn't have the current sensor on there. 355 00:35:06.020 --> 00:35:06.820 And so the 356 00:35:07.300 --> 00:35:11.620 LLM has to teach itself. Okay, if I tweak this and don't tweak that, what happens? 357 00:35:11.860 --> 00:35:19.645 I think one of the, ouch when you're when you're playing with these things, one of the first things you wanna get down is your temperature sensors 358 00:35:19.964 --> 00:35:23.404 and a tight loop control sequence 359 00:35:23.404 --> 00:35:27.130 that says, if the temperature exceeds this amount, turn it That's 360 00:35:27.130 --> 00:35:29.610 important. Now you're safe to just 361 00:35:29.930 --> 00:35:33.850 start throwing things at it as long as you have that in there. That's your parachute. 362 00:35:33.850 --> 00:35:36.730 We did. One of the fans died. Oh, wasn't really? 363 00:35:37.050 --> 00:35:37.530 You're right. 364 00:35:38.090 --> 00:35:39.850 The temperature goes up and you turn it off. 365 00:35:40.535 --> 00:35:43.735 Luckily, didn't burn the building down. Did it catch on fire? 366 00:35:44.535 --> 00:35:49.335 It just smelled like it was cooked. Yeah. Is it cooked? Is it done? Have you tried turning it back I 367 00:35:50.295 --> 00:35:51.575 think it's cooked. I 368 00:35:52.695 --> 00:35:57.450 had a similar situation happen where I didn't take my own advice and didn't have that thermal 369 00:35:58.170 --> 00:36:06.490 safety in there and got a s 19 j pro so hot that even after it was off, the fan grill on the outside, like, 370 00:36:07.130 --> 00:36:08.250 burned my skin. 371 00:36:08.810 --> 00:36:10.810 Damn. Tripped the breaker in my house 372 00:36:11.335 --> 00:36:11.975 and 373 00:36:12.135 --> 00:36:22.535 but it actually still worked after that. So the fans didn't work, but the the minor did. I don't Crazy. Sometimes they can recover from that. Which model was that did you say? That was a J Pro. Okay. 374 00:36:22.935 --> 00:36:46.945 Run running like a Mugena, like hacked a piece Mugena on it. Yeah. Is this going to be the status quo for getting Mugena support to subsequent machines where you have to relearn its behavior every time before you make the image? As far as estimating the power? Yeah. I mean, guess some machines do have current sensors, Some do not. I don't think any Bitmain machines do have current sensors as far as I know. Maybe the brand new ones, 375 00:36:47.665 --> 00:36:54.690 but they typically for whatever reason don't put that in there. What's Miner does? So you can ask the power supply, what's the current right now? 376 00:36:55.090 --> 00:37:06.610 And then that allows you to just say this is the power. And if you wanna tune for a different power, you can just, you know, change the voltage and frequency until your power supply says you're at that power. 377 00:37:07.215 --> 00:37:15.375 But, yeah, I mean, you're alluding to is it has

to it's all kind of faked on bitmain machines with a third party firmware because you can't 378 00:37:15.455 --> 00:37:19.135 actually get the current, so you can't actually get the power. 379 00:37:19.935 --> 00:37:34.450 Power is current times voltage. And in these cases, you only have voltage, so you can't really get it. So they clearly, they've done is they have a lab setup where they have an ammeter connected to it, can measure the current, and can try all these combinations and create 380 00:37:35.244 --> 00:37:44.445 like a transfer function to say, you know, if we set this hash frequency and voltage, this is what the power is. So then they can give that to you. But it's not actual. 381 00:37:44.525 --> 00:37:46.125 It's just estimated. 382 00:37:46.365 --> 00:37:53.940 Yeah. It's like when you put your foot on the gas in your car, it doesn't tell the engine make this much horsepower. It adds more fuel and air and you result 383 00:37:53.940 --> 00:38:00.339 in some horsepower. Yes. But then you have the speedometer for feedback. Yep. Yeah. That's fascinating. It's fun to develop. 384 00:38:00.579 --> 00:38:06.984 I mean, effectively through all these projects, what we've done for the better part of a year, all of 2025 for sure was 385 00:38:07.224 --> 00:38:40.205 all you guys reverse engineered the whole industry and figured out how it worked. And then we showed that in early twenty twenty six as a dev kit and started bringing it to conferences and talking to people about it. And our findings and feedback loop has been, no one knows how this industry works. Yeah. Yeah. It's really interesting. Yeah. It is really It's funny how closed source does that. Yeah. Yeah. That's a really good point. How it keeps everybody in the dark. Like there are people who know exactly how this works, clearly. I mean, someone had to build it. Hopefully they know exactly how it works, but they're not talking to anyone. They're not talking to their customers. They're not talking to, 386 00:38:40.445 --> 00:38:46.950 you know, their competitors. They're not talking to anyone. And so it just kind of stays there and that loop doesn't get any 387 00:38:47.590 --> 00:38:48.870 chance to amplify. 388 00:38:49.350 --> 00:38:57.590 And I want to shout out a tool that we used for that reverse engineering because Dylan was using this extensively last week, a tool that Schnitzel made called HashScope 389 00:38:57.865 --> 00:39:25.910 that sits in between the server side pool and the client side firmware instance, and it watches shares and network traffic. And so that was paramount in getting Mugena working on the S19K Pro because it can actually see the traffic of what's going on, what's being submitted, what's being rejected. And it's just funny to figure out how Stratum one worked through the development of Mugena and HydroPool. We had to make this ancillary tool that sits in the middle and it goes, I think the firmware is trying to tell the pool this. And we're like, Okay, write that down. 390 00:39:27.975 --> 00:39:28.855 It's 391 00:39:28.855 --> 00:39:36.615 insane. It is insane. But like we were talking about earlier, this industry just doesn't have any 392 00:39:36.775 --> 00:39:39.175 concept of open standards, 393 00:39:39.175 --> 00:39:40.295 much less open source. 394 00:39:42.150 --> 00:39:58.625 Everyone's just kind of in their own little fiefdoms and not sharing anything presumably to protect their profits. But I think it's kind of doing the opposite. Yeah, don't Bitmain and What's Miner have an agreement to not have like components on their miners? 395 00:39:59.105 --> 00:40:00.065 Yeah. That's 396 00:40:01.025 --> 00:40:01.745 Yeah. Word on the 397 00:40:02.945 --> 00:40:07.105 That's wild. It is wild. Well, It can't be sustainable. 398 00:40:07.105 --> 00:40:09.585 There's just no way. I don't see it. I wanna 399 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:22.640 open up an interesting topic of discussion though. If closed source is not sustainable, which I think we all agree and it stifles the industry and holds it back, it's very immature. We're 18 in, seventeen years in, still very immature. 400 00:40:24.305 --> 00:40:25.825 Fully open source, 401 00:40:26.065 --> 00:40:28.625 whether you call that MIT or no license, 402 00:40:28.865 --> 00:40:30.545 with the agentic 403 00:40:30.545 --> 00:40:35.744 tooling that's now available, also seems to me like the opposite. It's like equally 404 00:40:35.744 --> 00:40:40.650 as chaotic cause everybody just has their vibe coded versions of everything and nothing is interoperable. 405 00:40:40.650 --> 00:40:43.850 There's no standards. There's no well thought out architecture. 406 00:40:43.850 --> 00:40:49.930 And it's something I've been thinking a lot about as we communicate our projects and our licenses and just seeing all of the 407 00:40:51.195 --> 00:41:07.460 new miners that are coming out that are, you can tell it's got some Vibe coded one shot firmware. Maybe it's closed, maybe it's fully open, Scott. I'm sure you're thinking about this as well. It's interesting to me. It's like the opposite of closed source, but I don't think, I also think it introduces similar problems where it's just like there's no ecosystem. 408 00:41:07.460 --> 00:41:08.580 Yeah. And there's no 409 00:41:08.900 --> 00:41:12.660 like like if you have, like, MIT Open Source, 410 00:41:12.900 --> 00:41:13.620 for example, 411 00:41:13.860 --> 00:41:15.700 and people aren't publishing 412 00:41:15.860 --> 00:41:35.390 their changes because they're not required to. Like, it just silos it off, and it it just sort of dies in those silos or or fails to get any better. Right? It's like you're you're kinda just it's growing. It's growing. And then you just, like, cap it right there in your own silo. And so, yeah, you can use LLMs to 413 00:41:35.630 --> 00:41:41.710 make progress on top of that. But you're now you're in this this little circle that is your organization, 414 00:41:42.430

--> 00:41:44.350 and that's where it stops. 415 00:41:44.430 --> 00:41:49.285 They're all forks. Yeah, they're all forks. And they and they don't they don't benefit from 416 00:41:49.605 --> 00:41:57.445 what people are doing. Right? Like, sure, you're you're hyping, like, screenshots of what you're doing online and stuff, but that doesn't that doesn't actually benefit anything, 417 00:41:57.605 --> 00:42:06.010 you. Right? Including the person that forked it off. Right? Because they were they were relying on the open source community to get them to where they started. And 418 00:42:06.490 --> 00:42:08.330 then they just stopped 419 00:42:08.330 --> 00:42:08.890 that 420 00:42:09.210 --> 00:42:14.170 you know, forked off from that right there. And then they're just relying on what they can do themselves. 421 00:42:14.410 --> 00:42:15.530 So I think 422 00:42:15.995 --> 00:42:19.515 Yeah, because all the mature It's so excited. All the mature industries 423 00:42:19.515 --> 00:42:35.790 seem to have two criteria, open source, but then it's wherever the community goes and the contributor flywheel is in effect and you have the snowball effect of compounding progress, right? And having one doesn't necessarily get you the other. It's kind of a winner takes all. Yeah, but I just think it's gonna 424 00:42:36.350 --> 00:42:37.230 be hard to 425 00:42:38.350 --> 00:42:40.750 be the winner if you just silo yourself off. 426 00:42:41.675 --> 00:42:51.755 Maybe in the long term, it's going be hard to be the winner. Maybe in the short term, you're like, Oh, this is great. I added this rad new feature. None of my competitors have it. I can make more money now. But let's 427 00:42:51.755 --> 00:42:52.555 high type inference. 428 00:42:53.570 --> 00:43:02.610 Yeah, we talked about it a little bit this morning. It's like this forcing effect, right? The Linux kernel is so polished from a security 429 00:43:02.690 --> 00:43:04.450 feature set standpoint 430 00:43:04.610 --> 00:43:31.390 that you wouldn't really go waste your time trying to make your own fork or version, right? And trying to get what doesn't exist that doesn't exist in the mining industry and we're trying to build it and then get that forcing function to break through where everyone comes to start contributing to this project with that ecosystem and community has been a narrative we're trying to tell. And I guess that goes back to my comment on no one knows how this industry works or how anything works. And it's been a little bit difficult at times to get people to understand that. 431 00:43:31.869 --> 00:43:34.195 You do see this in Linux where 432 00:43:34.915 --> 00:43:36.835 a new CPU manufacturer, 433 00:43:36.835 --> 00:43:38.595 for example, will make a new CPU. 434 00:43:38.675 --> 00:43:44.115 And so they fork the Linux kernel and they add what is needed to support their 435 00:43:44.275 --> 00:43:45.075 CPU. 436 00:43:45.075 --> 00:43:50.730 Right? And they'll they'll release it. Right? They wanna make sure that people who are building on this CPU have 437 00:43:51.530 --> 00:43:56.730 Linux kernel that supports that CPU. So they'll they'll release it. Sometimes a source, 438 00:43:57.210 --> 00:43:58.330 usually the source. 439 00:43:58.490 --> 00:43:59.050 But 440 00:43:59.290 --> 00:44:04.835 if they don't get their changes merged into mainline Linux eventually, 441 00:44:05.075 --> 00:44:10.675 then it their fork gets stale. And you'll be like, oh, you could use the new x y z CPU, 442 00:44:10.755 --> 00:44:19.150 but it's only supported by this old Linux kernel version. And so you're gonna be left behind by all the other features that are getting that other people are adding to Linux. 443 00:44:20.110 --> 00:44:25.870 You see this all the time. Back in the Raspberry Pi craze, when everyone was trying to make a Raspberry Pi killer, 444 00:44:26.350 --> 00:44:33.865 and releasing their own single board computers, this happened all the time. It'd be like, Oh, you could get this one, but it's on an old 445 00:44:34.185 --> 00:44:35.225 Linux kernel. 446 00:44:35.465 --> 00:44:38.025 You don't want to do that because it's now you 447 00:44:38.265 --> 00:44:49.830 can't do all this other good stuff that Linux does. So that points out it's not like, Hey, you added these features, you put in this work, you're giving them away. It also ensures that your project and the efforts that you made 448 00:44:50.630 --> 00:44:54.790 last and are usable. Yeah, yeah. Right? So publishing 449 00:44:55.670 --> 00:44:58.635 your fork is great. And in a lot of cases, 450 00:44:58.875 --> 00:44:59.995 it's required. 451 00:45:00.315 --> 00:45:00.955 But 452 00:45:01.435 --> 00:45:04.315 making that effort to get your changes 453 00:45:04.555 --> 00:45:07.115 merged back into the mainline branch 454 00:45:07.515 --> 00:45:14.530 is is good for you in the long run. You get the furthest reach. Yeah. It's been fascinating to think more about. But, you know, that said, 455 00:45:15.490 --> 00:45:26.515 even with the GPL stuff that we're doing, right, you you can't like, say you're a big mega miner, right? You can take it and you can add your special sauce on top of it, And 456 00:45:26.515 --> 00:45:40.915 you can run that at your farm, and you don't have to tell anyone, and you can keep those advances secret for yourself. I would argue that it will help you in more in the long run to contribute that back to mainline Maginha or whatever it is that you're using, but you're not required to. 457 00:45:41.610 --> 00:45:45.850 You're only required to release your changes when you just when you start selling it, essentially. 458 00:45:46.250 --> 00:45:46.810 So 459 00:45:47.290 --> 00:45:51.210 that that choice is yours. So I don't want I don't want potential 460 00:45:51.770 --> 00:45:53.930 users of open source software to think like, 461 00:45:54.575 --> 00:46:04.734 oh, you know, we can't do that because we don't wanna give away our secrets. You

can keep your secrets secret if that's the bad decision you want. What's that meme from Lord of the Rings? Keep your secrets. 462 00:46:04.974 --> 00:46:10.700 Yeah, makes sense. What else is going on? Anything you guys wanna hit on? Should we give a shout out to some miners? Yeah. 463 00:46:10.859 --> 00:46:13.500 Let me pull up the hash dash. 140 464 00:46:13.500 --> 00:46:15.260 terahash per second 465 00:46:15.500 --> 00:46:19.180 live on the -256f.org. 466 00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:25.985 20 users, 43 workers. New user, Kenis, Q E N I S, 70 terahash. 467 00:46:25.985 --> 00:46:28.385 All right. Thanks for your support. Zarka. 468 00:46:29.265 --> 00:46:29.825 Same Yeah. 469 00:46:30.385 --> 00:46:31.665 A longtime supporter. 470 00:46:31.745 --> 00:46:40.940 Those Bitcoin Park miners in Austin that you took over, Scott, are still online. All right. Going strong. One of those is one of Ronin miners cool hydro 471 00:46:40.940 --> 00:46:50.380 cooled bit axes. That's right. That thing is rad. Very happy, cool chip, I'm sure. Yeah. And a very pleasant sort of gurgling sound. Fax777, 472 00:46:50.460 --> 00:47:02.435 bunch of bit axes and nerd axes. PUBKEY also has their bit axes pointed still. That's PUBKEY DC, right? I think so. Yeah, we did an event there a while back and 473 00:47:02.835 --> 00:47:27.405 it was kind of neat. You could see that eventually we found out they had three bit axes sort of it's a really big bar and they had three stashed all around. And so Schnitzel has a pretty awesome script that will just automatically seek them out and change the address that they're mining to. Yeah, Teaser, I think that's one of the red team findings that if you can get on any operator's land, you basically can do whatever you want, steal all their hash rate. Yeah, yeah, that's right. That 474 00:47:27.805 --> 00:47:28.445 is 475 00:47:29.885 --> 00:47:30.525 how 476 00:47:30.765 --> 00:47:33.325 all miners seem to work, including the Bitaxe. 477 00:47:34.230 --> 00:47:38.470 I Yeah. Seems to be that way, especially for the larger miners, right? You could 478 00:47:38.550 --> 00:47:44.390 have decent network security on your miners firmware. Yeah. Schnitzel was telling me this term flat 479 00:47:44.390 --> 00:47:45.190 LAN. 480 00:47:45.190 --> 00:47:52.865 What does that mean? Does it mean all the machines are on the same network and it's not staggered? That's how I interpreted it. I don't know. I don't know. 481 00:47:54.385 --> 00:48:16.220 I don't really know. I imagine it's some sort of access control for the network. Like you can have both wired and wireless networks that don't allow arbitrary clients to connect. Yeah. That's thing you could do is, like, if you if you have a white list that says only these machines allow to connect to this network and outside subnets can't connect to the network, then you don't have to have security necessarily on your machines 482 00:48:17.165 --> 00:48:25.245 because no one can join it to change

it. Would be one way to do Well, we're thinking about the network security engineers and all these large operators. 483 00:48:25.645 --> 00:48:26.845 They've been the 484 00:48:27.165 --> 00:48:31.485 most vocal ones working with Schnitzel on the two fifty six Red Team efforts being like, 485 00:48:32.220 --> 00:48:36.620 I've been claiming this for years and no one paid attention. So stay tuned for Friday. 486 00:48:37.340 --> 00:48:38.619 Hardestblocks.org, 487 00:48:38.619 --> 00:48:42.460 another longtime supporter. I got a couple of rigs on there. D plus plus 488 00:48:43.260 --> 00:48:46.619 Exergy with a Slim nineteen, Econo Alchemist, 489 00:48:46.905 --> 00:48:49.625 Backwater Mining Collective, Satoki, 490 00:48:49.625 --> 00:48:52.825 Agent P, Scott nine thousand, P. Buttweiler, 491 00:48:52.905 --> 00:48:54.585 Schnitzel, Pizandy, 492 00:48:54.585 --> 00:48:55.385 Dillon, 493 00:48:55.385 --> 00:48:57.305 Clear and Nuclear. 494 00:48:57.465 --> 00:49:05.119 I don't see any changes in that overall difficulty leaderboard. Electron's still leading. Did Orange Surf take down his BIP110 495 00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:08.960 monitoring site? Don't know. I think it was OrangeDotSurf. 496 00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:11.839 I'm having trouble pulling it up. OrangeDotSurf, 497 00:49:11.839 --> 00:49:12.799 BIP110. 498 00:49:12.799 --> 00:49:14.720 I think it was BIP110. 499 00:49:14.799 --> 00:49:15.839 OrangeDotSurf. 500 00:49:15.839 --> 00:49:17.680 Yeah. Looks like it's down. Case closed. 501 00:49:18.375 --> 00:49:19.975 Wasn't there also fork. 502 00:49:19.975 --> 00:49:22.615 Observer? I think that's gone too. That was 503 00:49:24.055 --> 00:49:24.935 B10C Yeah, 504 00:49:25.735 --> 00:49:34.110 B10C. Yeah. Anyways, I wanted to see, did they ever get a third block or did it stop at two blocks? They did. They got two more after that. 505 00:49:34.750 --> 00:49:47.565 I think they got a total of four blocks. And then they switched to block a two b? Yes. They switched to block a two b. I wonder because, you know, they changed the the mining algorithm, the hash algorithm. 506 00:49:47.565 --> 00:49:49.165 But as far as I know, 507 00:49:49.725 --> 00:49:54.205 all their Bitcoin 10 fork hash rate was coming from the what were those guys called? 508 00:49:55.085 --> 00:49:55.885 Wildcat? 509 00:49:55.885 --> 00:49:57.645 Oh, Roughnecks. Roughnecks. Yeah. 510 00:49:58.205 --> 00:50:07.650 Yeah. So what are the roughnecks doing with all those machines? Wasn't a lot of it rented hash rate? Probably. Was rented hash rate. Yeah. Paying a premium to virtue signal. That 511 00:50:07.970 --> 00:50:09.090 is pretty roughneck. 512 00:50:09.090 --> 00:50:10.530 Final boss of Bitcoin 513 00:50:10.690 --> 00:50:11.490 is 514 00:50:11.490 --> 00:50:11.810 yourself. 515 00:50:12.345 --> 00:50:22.825 Yeah. It's funny even chatting with some people here at the space that I would call Bitcoiners or members here at the space and ask them about Bitcoin 10. They're like, what? What's Blake? 516 00:50:23.545 --> 00:50:23.865 Black. 517 00:50:24.579 --> 00:50:30.340 Yeah. It well, it doesn't have anything to do with Bitcoin anymore. I I read a little bit about the that 518 00:50:30.900 --> 00:50:32.100 hash algorithm. 519 00:50:32.180 --> 00:50:33.140 I guess the 520 00:50:33.380 --> 00:50:34.340 the NSA 521 00:50:34.579 --> 00:50:37.380 held a contest to see what was gonna be the 522 00:50:37.635 --> 00:50:48.915 the follow on hashing algorithm to SHA two. So SHA two fifty six is an algorithm that's in the class called SHA two. So they want they're trying to they held a contest amongst cryptographers 523 00:50:48.915 --> 00:50:54.609 years ago to see what was gonna be the successor, what was gonna be the algorithm used in SHA three. 524 00:50:56.609 --> 00:50:57.250 And 525 00:50:57.410 --> 00:50:59.250 Blake Balake was 526 00:50:59.569 --> 00:51:01.089 did not win. It was the runner-up. 527 00:51:01.905 --> 00:51:07.265 They actually chose for for Shaw three. They chose an algorithm called Kecak, 528 00:51:07.265 --> 00:51:09.025 Kecak, something like that, 529 00:51:09.585 --> 00:51:12.785 k e c c a k, I think. So that Kecak 530 00:51:12.785 --> 00:51:13.585 is 531 00:51:13.985 --> 00:51:22.140 is Shaw three. But Balake was the runner was the runner-up. And they they, you know, were like, we got something that seems to be working here. And so they 532 00:51:22.380 --> 00:51:23.660 formalized it as 533 00:51:24.060 --> 00:51:25.660 as Balake. 534 00:51:25.660 --> 00:51:25.819 And 535 00:51:28.535 --> 00:51:30.695 it it is kind of interesting. 536 00:51:30.695 --> 00:51:35.415 It my agent wasn't entirely clear, but it thought that possibly 537 00:51:35.575 --> 00:51:42.455 Block A is better suited to making an ASIC for than SHA two fifty six. Apparently, 538 00:51:42.455 --> 00:51:42.855 it 539 00:51:43.460 --> 00:51:44.820 just uses 540 00:51:44.900 --> 00:51:46.819 add and XOR 541 00:51:46.819 --> 00:51:48.099 logic functions, 542 00:51:48.260 --> 00:51:48.900 whereas 543 00:51:49.220 --> 00:51:51.060 SHA two fifty six uses 544 00:51:51.460 --> 00:51:53.380 a bunch of, like, carries 545 00:51:53.619 --> 00:51:55.700 and shift registers and things like that. 546 00:51:57.045 --> 00:52:03.445 Interesting. Sounds like they got options for the next time. Yeah. Who knows? Who knows? I just think it's retarded that they picked 547 00:52:03.685 --> 00:52:04.645 ZiaCoin 548 00:52:04.645 --> 00:52:21.970 hash construction. That was a terrible idea. You shouldn't launch your new cryptocurrency with ASIC support. You're just like you're like, you know, like, you're you're giving your little kid, like, keys to the car before he knows how to It's crazy too that the Knott's Twitter account is going around saying 549 00:52:22.050 --> 00:52:23.170 that Bitcoin 550 00:52:23.170 --> 00:52:26.450 was like, they're calling their minority fork 551 00:52:26.664 --> 00:52:27.464 Bitcoin, 552 00:52:27.464 --> 00:52:36.265 referring to it as such. And it's so confusing for people that don't know what's happening or like how ingenuine they're being about it. 553 00:52:36.984 --> 00:52:42.184 It's frustrating to watch, you know, but basically they're just trying to push this narrative that Bitcoin was forked, 554 00:52:43.029 --> 00:52:44.390 it's being attacked, 555 00:52:45.029 --> 00:52:46.150 and this 556 00:52:46.789 --> 00:52:47.910 four blockchain 557 00:52:47.910 --> 00:52:50.950 that they have now is the actual Bitcoin. 558 00:52:52.309 --> 00:52:53.750 Yeah. Dude, it's sad. 559 00:52:54.714 --> 00:53:01.675 So dumb. And deranged. I think it's a bad choice on their decision too, because it's just like bad SEO, 560 00:53:01.835 --> 00:53:05.115 right? Like, they're never gonna dominate the results for Bitcoin. 561 00:53:05.275 --> 00:53:09.515 Right. So how's anyone gonna find out about this? Yeah. We wish them well. 562 00:53:09.835 --> 00:53:12.470 Yeah. They can burn in hell. Oh boy. 563 00:53:13.590 --> 00:53:26.070 We wish them. Yeah. All right, gents. Well, good rip. Next week, I'm sure we're gonna dive deep. We'll have to see if maybe we can get Schnitzel on for red team stuff. Yes. That was a great idea. Oh yeah, that'd be good. Right after the announcement? 564 00:53:27.965 --> 00:53:33.085 Okay. Cool. Stay tuned. Thanks guys. All right. Till next time. See you guys. Peace. 565 00:53:33.485 --> 00:53:34.045 See you.