GTA 6 Leaks, Wolverine Backlash & Disney’s Big Gaming Bet의 전체 녹취록

00:04:18.720 Anyone's acting surprised that they're separating the PC launch from the console launch is delusional. 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:23.920 I mean, they're purposely doing this and it makes sense, but um lots of interesting speculation. 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:32.319 And yeah, and like, you know, to the point of some of the stuff that's out there, like I think part of it is like, can you believe this stuff happens? 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:41.279 And like the P same people that are like, you know, kind of shaming the hackers are also covering it like it's you know, uh beep by beep, plot point by plot point. 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:42.879 There's like a lot, it's almost like CNN. 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:54.240 There's like live trackers going on of various gaming publications, and which I it is news, so I don't want to like throw them out completely on their bus, but like if no one gave this person attention, then ultimately it wouldn't be covered as much. 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:57.040 And for some people, this is how they are actually getting the news. 00:04:57.120 --> 00:05:05.759 It's not via their X feed because they don't use X, it's via you know, IGN breaking down everything that's happening, or screen rant or game rant or whatever, you know, like etc. 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:06.079 etc. 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:09.839 or PC Gamer, like they all have like live beat by beats of what's happening. 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:14.720 So I I kind of leave this as like just feel bummed for them um at Rockstar. 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:16.560 And interesting note on the PC stuff. 00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:22.000 Like, do people think that PC builds just get made like whole cost from nothing right after the console version is done? 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:24.000 Do they understand how game development works? 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:25.680 Of course, there's a PC build. 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:28.879 Um, they're doing this like the same time, right? 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:30.720 So that's kind of how it goes. 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:32.399 So if it's out of India, it sucks. 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:34.000 But I don't think this is the end. 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:35.439 I think hacking is gonna get just worse. 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:40.000 I think it's systemic of where we are at with artificial intelligence and the AI models. 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:52.399 Um, they're going to break through existing firewalls, like the hugging bear situation, not to get really nerdy, but like that just happened as an AI agent when Rogue got a open AI chat GPT's ecosystem. 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:56.959 Like, wait till the open source models are there when there's not a company behind it, saying, Don't do that. 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:01.360 It's like here are the weights, run rampant, and like nefarious actors are gonna do what they do. 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:03.680 So I just think this is gonna get worse and worse and worse. 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:06.480 And I think the gaming industry needs to realize that, right? 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:12.639 Full transparency, put cameras in the office, film everybody working. 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:14.639 That's how you solve all this, right? 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:18.240 Nobody's going to want to leak anything that's already out there. 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:19.439 I mean, come on. 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:26.000 Oh my god, that's like have the audience write the ending while you're making the game. 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:26.800 That's how you do it. 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:29.759 Oh my gosh. 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:36.000 Or just have everything on-prem and don't put anything at all on the internet and ship like hard drives to India. 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:41.439 Like, I mean, like, because the other bits, like, it's all everything works in the cloud and everyone's on the internet doing everything all the time. 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:56.720 So the only actual solution to that is to break the internet by not connecting sensitive stuff to the internet at all and have it running on local drives and you know in facilities is the actual solution, but like that's not doable in the modern economy. 00:06:56.800 --> 00:07:03.439 Like, as we outsource everybody's job into every part of the world, like you can't actually do that and have them work on the game at the same time. 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:14.240 Mercedes the Mercedes-Benz F1 team uses computers from like the 80s because they don't connect to the internet, so it's like a closed ecosystem. 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:23.519 Yet you can't develop, you know, GTA on you know not if you're using a worldwide effort of people. 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:24.319 I absolutely not. 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:25.839 Yeah, I guess. 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:27.279 I mean, you have to think about this. 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:28.800 I mean, we're talking about a game trailer. 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:33.680 If it was any other game in the world, it probably wouldn't get any publicity in the end of the at the end of the day. 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:38.800 And you have financial institutions that are keeping things secure on the cloud and they're protecting it as well. 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:49.360 So I think it also comes down to like, I'm not gonna say this isn't important, but in the grand scheme of things, like, how are you keeping these things secret and how much of a secret does it need to be? 00:07:49.519 --> 00:08:01.759 And I think there's a line that we need to understand that you know, you ship game things online and it's shared, and yeah, it got leaked, but hopefully your financial information isn't so how important is it at the end of the day? 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:04.560 And this guy's manifesto is a soul full of it, right? 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:08.560 Like, you know, don't have pre-order games. 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:12.000 I'm like, who are you to tell me how to spend my money, clown? 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:18.639 Like if I want to digital, he wanted a physical

copy, no pre-orders, yeah. 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:22.879 No digital pre-orders, which is like if I want to spend my money, I want to spend my money. 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:27.519 It's not on you to tell me how to spend my money, and that's uh I'm like, you know, pound sand, dude. 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:37.360 Um, if I want to give someone a uh 60, 70, 80, 100 on the promise that I'll get the game at some point, which is like Kickstarter's entire model on everything, then that's my choice. 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:39.679 I'm a consumer, I'm an adult, I can make those choices. 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:42.639 So, like the manifesto's stupid, anyways, right? 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:46.879 And then don't release non-single player based DLC and lie to I'm like, what are you talking about? 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:51.120 And then never mind, it's all just a pub up a crypto coin, which is really what the person's after. 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:52.080 That's what it is. 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:53.840 That Solerna bump. 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:56.320 That's what we're they're all looking for at the end of the day. 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:58.639 Yeah, this guy seems great. 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:02.240 D23 start dropping lots of new information. 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:08.399 And if you're into cruise lines or other Disney IPs, you you're you're feasting, you're eating. 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:11.840 So uh let's hear you guys' take on D23. 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:15.600 What stuck, what didn't, what sequel are you most excited about? 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:19.519 Colin, why don't you start since you're so opinionated on things all the time? 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:20.480 Oh my gosh. 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:22.240 This is look, why don't you go? 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:34.399 I um I think the big takeaway for me from D23, other than just the uh theme park machinations, like um poor Avatar land is never gonna happen at California now. 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:36.960 They're just like put a put a nail in that one. 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:41.039 They're going to updating tomorrow land, which you know definitely needs updating. 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:45.679 So I'm not like really gonna get upset about that as an annual attendee of Disneyland. 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:51.120 But I thought the big takeaway was Disney's first time embracing gaming in like over a decade. 00:09:51.279 --> 00:10:01.919 Like they have very been much been arm's length in games, and like in the lead up to D23, there were people with taking pictures with like Sora banners from Kingdom Hearts everywhere around like Anaheim. 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:08.399 And I'm like, oh, and then they had the blog post that came out saying, look, we make billions of dollars from our licensing deals in gaming. 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:15.360 Like Dizzy used to make games, they tried buying a bunch of studios over like a 10 plus year span that all basically collapsed and failed. 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:17.039 Um, I think the last one they spun off. 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:20.559 I mean, Avalanche ironically went on to make uh Hogwarts Legacy. 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:22.799 Um so oopsie doopsie, let that one go. 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:29.360 Um, but they also um Kick Club Penguin, that's another one that sticks out in my mind that they shuttered in like I think the late 2010s. 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:33.360 So they they tried to own it and they just went to pure licensing. 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:37.279 And now for the report card coming out on that, it's like looks like that worked really well. 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:38.559 Now, is everything a hit? 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:55.120 No, but they do have pretty big IP that they've been able to do through Marvel, Star Wars to a lesser extent, and then obviously the Disney brand where they've been able to successfully find ways to license their IP and lean on other people who know how to make games and make them successful, and seems to be working for Disney right now. 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:56.320 So that was being my takeaway. 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:58.639 And they gave two games like a lot of stage time. 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:06.720 They gave Dream My Village, or sorry, Disney Dream Light Village, which most people don't know about, but it's pretty big, cozy game, and then they gave Kingdom Hearts its spot, obviously. 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:10.399 Oh, and Wolverine. 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:17.440 Yeah, um Justin, you have any thoughts on D23? 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:18.799 Anything stand out to you? 00:11:19.279 --> 00:11:23.919 Yeah, the Kingdom Hearts thing was like the legitimacy around that game. 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:37.039 Getting a lot of like that spoke to me in a way that like Disney understands who its fans are, you know, like in a way like, hey, we're putting this up, we're we're putting this in some serious headlines. 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:44.080 We know there are a lot of younger people who aged up with this game who are now a little bit older, who are still fans of it. 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:50.320 Like they I think they understand a little bit of like, hey, that audience cares, which is good, just positive signal, right? 00:11:50.720 --> 00:12:02.320 I mean, uh as someone who's been a Kingdom Hearts fan, like I feel like Disney up until now has basically almost pretended Kingdom Hearts is not exactly it's like an Easter egg thing to them. 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:15.120 It's like, oh, you want to ride uh Mickey, uh Mickey Mickey's Runaway Rail ride or whatever at Cal, you know, Disneyland, like there's a keyblade in the waiting line queue that's like if you know what a keyblade is, you're like, oh, there's a keyblade, how cool is that, right? 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:16.799 Mickey uses a keyblade, that's cool. 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:24.960 They have in his little space, but like that's it, and like occasionally they'll have merch drops that then get mobbed by people who are like, oh my god, Kingdom Hearts is here.

00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:34.639 So like they had a thing, they just never lean into it, and it's the first time they actually decided to acknowledge his existence and lean into it with like an animated show. 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:35.600 And you're like, wait, what? 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:40.159 Disney's making up to this like 20-year-old franchise that they just have sitting there. 00:12:40.320 --> 00:13:01.679 Um, as everyone's trying to figure out gaming in Hollywood, they're like, Yeah, we have this gaming thing that exists that people relate to with Sora, uh, Riku, uh Kari, and the conclave of incredibly convoluted JRPG trope characters that exist inside the universe of Kingdom Hearts that are separate from the Disney characters that interact with these people, that are separate from the Final Fantasy characters that also interact with these people. 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:05.039 It's like it's the strangest mashup of IP. 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:08.960 And it's like historically speaking, like, how did this even happen? 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:10.240 And I actually dug into that. 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:15.600 It's like literally they shared an office in Tokyo, Disney and Square Enix, and they rode the elevator and we're talking. 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:17.759 It's like literally an elevator pitch, yeah. 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:21.919 Yeah, literally an elevator pitch is how it all began, which is like just hilarious. 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:25.840 And fast forward, like, I think this is the most important franchise to Square Enix. 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:30.879 Like, I think it is bigger than Final Fantasy is on an individual basis at this point. 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:43.120 Like, I just think Kingdom Hearts is just bigger, and I and also I think it reaches a younger audience because I as I think going to my theory about um JRPGs. 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:45.039 I know you've we've talked a little about this justin before. 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:48.799 It's like I think JRPGs are the YA novels of gaming, right? 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:49.679 That's what they are, right? 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:54.080 They're they're coded with teen angst isms, right? 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:58.080 Um, and they scratch at like teen angst edge. 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:09.360 And like what's kind of happened with Final Fantasy is they aged out of that, and their audience is over the age of 35 now, and their games aren't really telling that young angsty story, but Kingdom Hearts never left that world. 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:19.519 Like, if anything, the lore is steeped in Riku is just so sad that even the first Kingdom Hearts he turned evil that he's never forgiven himself, and he's just like anti-hero person. 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:24.960 Sora is well, the epitome of all anime tropes kind of shoved into what game. 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:28.480 Yeah, like basically, right? 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:41.360 And like all the other characters around them, like Sora has a second half

of him that is known as Roxas, that is his nobody, that his best friends with a character named Maxwell, who is also a nobody. 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:42.720 You remember this? 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:52.480 It's like he's got a red spiky hair, um, they're best friends, they eat ice cream on ledges or popsicles, that's like their thing. 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:54.720 And like ice cream, yeah. 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:57.120 Vicky has no chart, I know that. 00:14:57.440 --> 00:14:58.159 Sometimes. 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:17.759 I think you will con to get back to you know, like grounded reality here, I to what you were saying, it is like a fourth iteration of this is actually kind of speaks to younger demographics because it's like, hey, I know what Coco is. 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:21.200 I'll like you get to fight alongside the guy from Coco, right? 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:33.600 Like, I'm sure they're going to do like a Moana themed one in this one, you know, like so they'll add more of like the more relevant Zootopia, another one that's like staring at you. 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:50.240 I like how they're with Star Wars, but like so like it's funny because the fandom, the the most kept secret of Kingdom Hearts is what worlds they go to, because that's like what the fandom obsesses over beyond the shipping and everything else with the characters, but like they're like, what is gonna happen? 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:53.919 Where the world's gonna go, and these worlds have nothing to do with the plot at all. 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:55.519 Like, you could just it's all filler. 00:15:55.759 --> 00:16:02.480 It's like, oh, I get to go to like you know, the Coco World, and we get to do the Coco movie because they're all truncated versions of the movie. 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:24.080 So you can go to Coco World, you're gonna do the Coco experience, um, and you leave, and nothing that happens in that world at all has any meaning to anything to the story as it goes on because the story oftentimes is just shoved in the third act at the last world where it's like it's like a exposition plot dump where you're just staring at the screen, like, what are they talking about? 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:25.840 And then you fight Anthem. 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:27.279 Yeah, who's always the film? 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:44.159 Yeah, like why is Squall from Final Fantasy VIII telling me what to do next when you're like more impressed that somebody has voiced Squall from Final Fantasy VIII, and that's more that you're like I you know, like listen, I'm a purist, I'm there for the Final Fantasy of all the things. 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:47.600 Come on, like everyone else's, everybody doesn't want to admit that. 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:55.039 Um, I'm only kidding, but it is like as crazy as it is, it is still a really fun game. 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:59.919 Yeah, it's mindfulness, like you it's an action RPG-ish, right? 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:08.079 Where you're just like, and part of my

opinion where Final Fantasy went off the rails is they tried to become more Kingdom Hearts in the combat style, which I just don't think works for that franchise. 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:11.839 Like it's not what I I want out of Final Fantasy, but whatever. 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:24.720 Like it's just more approachable, it's not turn-based, it's like real time, it's it's button mastering basically, where you know, like I was saying at the top of the live stream, like you know, Sora summons a train that just rails on a bunch of heartless, right? 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:26.640 Um, it's like cool, that's fun, right? 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:32.799 Um, and sometimes the summons are themed after Disneyland rides and Disney World, like they're themed after rides. 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:51.920 Um, it you call various other Disney characters, so it's like this it's this one-of-one mashup of IP meets uh another IP that shouldn't work, but just the kind of stew of it all just does, and it becomes this like oddity in gaming where when the next one comes out, it'll blow up. 00:17:52.079 --> 00:18:01.839 But like to ding them, like there's also a franchise that you have to, if you actually want to know what's going on, you actually have to play every game in the franchise, including their mobile card game. 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:08.720 Okay, they will put games on random places where you're like to understand what's happening next, I actually have to play this game to its completion. 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:12.319 And even within that game, that the game, the story is just baddie. 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:21.440 So you have this like, but I think it works in its favor because then you have this YouTube cottage industry that just comes up, which is basically the number one thing you search for on Kingdom Hearts on YouTube is like lore. 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:23.039 That's the number one thing that people make videos about. 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:26.400 It's like what's the lore of this game and what and the theories of where it's going. 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:38.640 Because I you could say whatever you want, and you'd probably be half right, because I think uh it's the uh it's a mantis thing from South Park, where it's just like they grab a ball and then they just like push it into the next pool, and that's like the next plot beat of Kingdom Hearts. 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:42.720 Might as well be like that because it's just so crazy and impossible to kind of wrangle. 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:45.440 Um, but it's also part of its charm at this point, right? 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:47.440 So I want to jump in here, right? 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:50.720 One thing you said, two things you you mentioned. 00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:53.599 I like the Coco inspiration because they announced Coco 2. 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:56.559 They also announced uh Frozen and the other one. 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:57.599 What was the other one they announced? 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:03.440 Frozen three, and it almost gives them like a live op schedule for the next couple years here as well, right? 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:11.039 Because this year it's tied in with Coco, and I'm assuming it's gonna come out next year, and it kind of gives them that plot line of hey, here's here are the next movies coming in it. 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:15.519 And if you think about it, it makes a lot of sense, and it also times into Dreamlight Valley, like you said. 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:25.599 It's the perfect flywheel, it's like they have the Coco leaning in in the marketing collateral of Kingdoms 4, they have the Coco Ride coming in the California venture, and they have Coco 2 coming out at some point, right? 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:37.519 It's like, oh, so they've Disney is you literally showing you the flywheel in motion, like we're just gonna hammer Coco, Coco, Coco, and use these different variations of touch points to kind of gauge the consumer uh uh where they're at, right? 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:41.759 And I think that's that's they're the OG flywheel company, right? 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:43.200 And no one does it better than them. 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:50.000 And then the other question I wanted to ask, because you mentioned this, and I want to dig into it a little bit, is you mentioned that they're doing really good at licensing. 00:19:50.160 --> 00:20:01.039 And I think historically, and I don't know if you count licensing and outsourcing is the same thing, and I don't know if we talk about it like that, but historically you can look at when companies outsource their work, it kind of goes to shit. 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:07.119 And now, so you're looking at it, Disney's doing it right, at least with a couple of these games, starting to hit their mark. 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:13.200 And I'm wondering if something shifted, something changed, are they making smarter decisions, or am I just making this whole scenario up in my head? 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:22.960 I'm gonna just I my quick shot on that is I think Disney, given the value of the IP, is able to be domineering on how that IP is usually being used. 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:33.039 So even if they technically can't make a game, they can technically tell them that Mickey's ears need to be this big and this wide to be in the game, and no one does it better than them, right? 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:36.160 I've heard horror stories about that. 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:44.480 Um like when they were doing Marvers Capcom 3, there were some like hard mandates. 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:50.319 It was like Doctor Strange cannot walk, he has to float in his walk animation. 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:56.559 You cannot in the trailers, you cannot show heroes getting beaten by villains. 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:00.240 You can only show heroes beating villains. 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:17.599 Like it was like some serious guidelines where I wonder if that kind of soured Capcom a little bit on like their whole agreement with

the fighting game thing and why they ended up going with somebody like uh Sony, somebody like Sony for Tokon. 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:20.960 But I I would think that there's a lot of that still going on. 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:24.079 They they are very precious with that IP. 00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:30.400 Um to the original question though, Greg, like, are they getting smarter? 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:40.880 I wonder if there's a little bit of like, we spent so much money with Epic in this investment with Fortnite and everything that's going on there. 00:21:41.119 --> 00:22:09.279 We want to make sure that we're getting every cent out of this like you know, value out of every cent that we've spent in this, in either that scenario and any scenario where they're putting where they're putting their stamp on it, whether it be Spider Man, whether it be Wolverine, whether it be these types of other games, because You know, you look at something like uh their attempt with like toys to life with ex Disney was it infinity, Xfinity, Infinity. 00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:24.079 Like, I think they've been burned so many times in the past where it's like find whoever the best is at this, we will work with them as closely as possible to make this thing work, and that'll be the the indication that things are going in the right direction. 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:29.440 Because, like, if you look at who they worked with on Star Wars, they worked with Respawn, right? 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:30.960 For the Jedi series. 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:35.680 They're pretty known, they're pretty well known for making good video games, right? 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:41.200 So I don't think they're at a point where they want to be less precious with their IP. 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:46.960 I think they're at a point where they can seek out whoever the best is and execute as well as they can. 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:50.000 The devil's not and the risk is lower, right? 00:22:50.079 --> 00:23:02.480 So when you're licensing, you're not taking on the actual creation of a thing, like with uh kind of Disney Infinity, like it's just like a bunch of toys that they just got left over in a warehouse, like that's hard capital stuff that they just absolve themselves on. 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:11.039 If a licensing deal doesn't work, while it kind of could ding the brand, it's ultimately unlikely to do permanent harm and they can just go on to the next thing. 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:13.519 And they're also not eating the cost on marketing the thing, right? 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:15.920 So it's like they're absolving it, they get to make a rev share. 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:26.720 Now the upside's more limited, but if they just see it as an extension of bringing people into other parts of the flywheel, then maybe they're just kind of uh resolved to that being okay, right? 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:32.160 Um, like would you have thought Game Loft would have made a really popular cozy sim game? 00:23:32.240 -->

00:23:32.480 No. 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:35.759 I mean, with Disney Dream My Village, no, but like here you are. 00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:40.559 If you found another way to kind of engage, and that was like basically a fast follow to um Animal Crossing. 00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:47.920 It's like, oh gosh, people want to play cozy games, or if we just shove the Disney universe into there, which is maybe you ever tell like where these things work for them really well. 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:51.920 It's like when you just take all the Disney IP and put them in the same place, people get really excited. 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:54.160 Like, oh, Wally's gonna talk to Elsa? 00:23:54.480 --> 00:24:02.079 That's amazing! Like, um Yeah, uh and the Disney adults, man, like it's just like they're fanatics, right? 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:15.279 I mean, they could if they could sell out the Honda Arena in Anaheim to show trailers for hours to a bunch of Disney people, like they have this rabbitous fan base that will just follow them to the end of time, right? 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:16.559 Or whatever they go, right? 00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:23.680 And complain and take shots at them, but like they're still there with their kind of wallets and they're you know we're ready to kind of play ball with them, right? 00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:25.519 The toughest critics, yeah. 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:30.480 Um, but I to your question, Greg, I think it's just because they could control the IP. 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:41.359 I think uh any other situation with licensing, other people have tried to probably dot com or be more demanding on the creative, and maybe the only other people that are in the same boat as Dizzy is Nintendo with movies. 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:53.680 So, like, yeah, if you're gonna make our movie, we're gonna tell you exactly what Mario looks like, exactly what Bowser's gonna do, exactly like the creative notes you probably get from Nintendo are just probably crazy, but that's what you gotta do. 00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:56.240 This is how much screen time Star Fox gets. 00:24:56.480 --> 00:24:57.119 Yeah. 00:24:57.759 --> 00:25:03.039 Do you think they had creative control over Wolverine giving the middle claws jumping out of a helicopter? 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:08.480 Because that seems to be like the best thing that people are attaching to with that game. 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:10.160 I think it's brilliant. 00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:14.079 I think it's probably I mean, 10 out of 10 off that right there. 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:15.359 What do you think? 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:18.240 I think Marvel Entertainment gets a little bit more leeway. 00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:26.640 That's funny, uh, more than other parts of the Dizzy family, but like they worked, they made so many games with uh with Insomniac at this point. 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:29.039 Like they should trust them. 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:34.880 And they tried to touch trust Square Enix to making other um content

and didn't work out with that. 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:37.599 The Vidrick game is so bad, um, so bad. 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:42.799 And and now they're just like, here's Sony, you get to make all our Marvel games. 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:44.240 Um, we think this is gonna work out. 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:46.559 At least this like single player narrative-based Marvel game. 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:48.240 So I think it's just a trust thing for them. 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:49.759 Like, we know what to do with Wolverine. 00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:51.680 Okay, we trust you on that, right? 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:54.160 As long as you get us to the X-Men, that's all we care about. 00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:56.720 That's the perfect transition into Wolverine. 00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:00.400 So over the past, what's it been now, 48 hours, 72 hours? 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:15.839 It seems like there's been a major knock against Wolverine, and a lot of the uh haters have been coming out and talking about how the game is just more of the same of what Spider-Man was, wasn't innovative, people don't like the closed kind of open, not an open world. 00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:19.519 Uh, and there's been a lot of debate on the internet, and there's been a lot of hate. 00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:21.680 And Colin, I know you're opinionated, Justin. 00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:24.880 I know you're opinionated, and this time we'll start with you, Justin. 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:26.559 How do you feel about Wolverine? 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:27.680 That's so cool. 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:32.000 It's it's like yeah, yeah, like come on, like what are we doing here? 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:37.200 People are ripping on our like most famous neighbor to the north. 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:39.920 Like, what's what are we doing? 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:44.720 This game looks great, but I don't know why the internet has like such backlash against this. 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:55.920 And the funny thing is, uh like the the person who can get into like the details of really where this thing is gonna go is is is Colin up there on the screen. 00:26:56.000 --> 00:27:09.680 Uh but uh for people to be like dragging this guy through the mud for a couple of like choice suggestions here on uh looks and things like that, play the game. 00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:13.519 Yeah, you know, like play the game, like let the game speak for itself. 00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:16.319 Once that's the case, everyone's going to shut up. 00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:37.920 And by the way, if you don't think that Sony is gonna or Insomniac's gonna put like uh a hundred different like lore accurate skins in this where you could be like, you know, Wolverine from like either the movies or the deep comic books or from like certain you know, X-Men Evolution or something like that. 00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:42.720 If you don't think that's gonna happen, I've got a bridge to sell you. 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:45.359 But this game looks fantastic. 00:27:45.519 -->

00:27:49.359 I don't know why people are so up in arms with this. 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.960 I mean, look at the like the action in this thing, it's just ridiculous. 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:57.920 This is the most graphic I insomnia game. 00:27:58.079 --> 00:27:59.279 I want to rationalize it. 00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:02.079 Well, I mean, look, this is what Sony should be doing. 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.079 Like, I like you can't have it both ways. 00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:19.920 Like, they they experimented with live service to um a lot of failure over the last half decade or so plus, and here they are delivering a single player narrative-driven game, which is what they do, and you know, the internet kind of comes at them because he's like running too much. 00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:27.920 And um, my point on this is like, and this is what only because the developer had to come out and say, like, we're being the internet's being mean to us. 00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:39.359 I'm like, the internet doesn't like you're you're conflating like what your X feed tells you, which is very targeted to you, versus what the normies do, which is like excited about the game, going up and to the right. 00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:45.759 Everything they've done is just built more hype for a game, which you know, is it gonna sell as well as Spider-Man 2? 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:46.960 No, I made this point. 00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:48.319 Like, no, it's absolutely not. 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.960 Like, but and like will it sell 10 million plus copies lifetime? 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:57.200 Like tracking says, yeah, it's doing better than Miles or Alice, which crossed that threshold. 00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:02.240 So this will be a solid system mover or a solid seller, I should say, for them. 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:09.519 Um, within their catalog, like on the par, like on the range of like probably like a ghost of uh Toshima or something like that, which is a win, right? 00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:20.400 This is and all it has to do is that kind of performance, and you know, give them justification to kind of roll into the X-Men game, which is clearly what they're gonna build towards, right? 00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:25.920 Like as an X-Men game, which will probably get like I'm okay with everything not being open world. 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.079 Like I just games don't all have to be open. 00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:29.519 Like, what's Wolverine gonna do? 00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:30.640 Drive a motorcycle? 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:32.960 Like, do you really want to play that game? 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:33.599 I don't. 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.319 I'd rather just play something that's to the point. 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:39.440 Like his character is this, let's just have him do that, right? 00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:45.039 And if a lot of dialogue cutscenes of him and Sabertooth talking about life and building their kind of relationship, I think that's perfectly fine. 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:47.519 That's what Sony does again, that's what they do. 00:29:48.240 --> 00:30:00.720 Listen, just let them make a gambit game in the vein of Sly Cooper, robbing people in New Orleans, and then Storm comes and is like, you know, you could really like do some good. 00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:06.240 And then have him die, get taken over by Apocalypse, have a really weak standoff against the X-Men. 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:09.359 Oh, wait, I'm I'm diverging into the plot of this X-Men. 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:15.759 So I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate here, and I'm with you guys. 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:17.839 I think the game looks absolutely fabulous. 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:35.519 I think it's probably gonna be absolutely fabulous, but let's play a different world here where each insomniac release from Spider-Man to Miles Morales to Spider-Man 2, I think Ratchet Clank was before that, seems to have gone a little down, or at least the fan perception around it has dropped a little bit each time. 00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:41.920 And I'm curious that are we just kind of down going down this path slowly, a snowball going downhill? 00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:51.279 Is they gonna get kind of the I don't know if you call it the rare treatment where you've been a first party studio for so long that you're becoming complacent, or are we seeing a trend here with Insomniac? 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:54.079 Uh I'll what do you think? 00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:58.960 I think that the internet will never forgive the MJ missions from Spider-Man 2. 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:00.799 And there's a point there, right? 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:12.720 Like, should she been so central to the plot of Spider-Man 2 to the point where you're playing a level where she's got a taser gun and you're taking down like venom symbiotes that are like the size of houses? 00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:16.000 Like, no, that was a huge mistake by them. 00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:21.279 And this is coming off the play for Spider-Man 1 where everyone's like, I like the game, but I really hated the MJ missions. 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.319 And then, like, some acts, like, oh, you thought you hated it more before? 00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:27.519 Wait till we make it more part of the game, right? 00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:38.240 Even if it all like culminated in a pretty good boss fight with her as Scream, as the adaptation of Scream, which I thought was a lot of fun, but like getting there was painful, and thereafter was also painful. 00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:42.640 And I hope we don't have a bunch of missions of like what's he called in Wolverine? 00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:43.119 Leech? 00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:53.920 Are we gonna play game the levels as leech as a kid, just walking around and like sucking the life force out of people as he tries to like like I think the internet is just over a bait and switch on gameplay mechanics? 00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:57.599 Like, I if I'm playing Spider-Man, I'm gonna play Spider-Man or Miles.

00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:02.640 Like, I don't need to play as a third character who has a totally different like playstyle. 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:03.599 It's not for me. 00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:14.480 I think that's that I think is more the lesson from that they should be taking as opposed to like being worried that the internet hates them as a studio, they just they hate the kind of choices they made just for reasons, right? 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:18.799 You die the villain, that's what happens. 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:23.680 I mean, yeah, I I know a lot of people have theories as to why they make those decisions. 00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:27.440 I won't touch that third rail, but I will say, like, did it go over well? 00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:28.000 No. 00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:29.440 Um, right? 00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:31.440 Just make people who they are supposed to be. 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:33.119 MJ was never meant to be the hero. 00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:34.079 Don't make her the hero. 00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:35.680 You don't need to adapt her as the hero. 00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:36.480 That's fine. 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:43.119 And if you want a female protagonist in Spider-Man, then there is a whole oh in my background. 00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:52.720 Oh, if you want a female for protagonist in Spider-Man, but there are so many female Spider-Women, Spider people that would just fit the bill, including Silk, which if T's in this game now for two games. 00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:54.160 Like, so just put Silk in it. 00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:55.279 It's fine. 00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:58.240 Any other feelings on Wolverine? 00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:03.039 I do like the idea of the X-Men insomnia game. 00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:12.160 I oh I I mean I can say it seems like it would be uh the suicide squad, but I say that in a good way where you have different people with great powers that can do something in a game like that. 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.839 Well, if you don't think an X-Men's come in, I have a bridge to sell you to quote Justin. 00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:17.119 No, I know it's coming. 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:19.039 It's just is it gonna be the game I want? 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:22.960 I thought we were friends. 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:24.720 Like I just can't beat them up like that. 00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:26.720 Maybe like Streets of Rage, is that better? 00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:32.400 Just walking through town, or you know, like maybe like an X-Men legends, kind of like something that they've done in the past before. 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:39.759 Or the arcade game, the X-Men arcade game, which is Legend of the Some would say the best adaptation of Dazzler. 00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:44.319 You know, some would say that some would say, some would say, some would say. 00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:48.640 Um, but yeah, no, it's I mean, again, back to D23 at all. 00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:53.440 I mean, in years past, they would never would have like they never really promoted Spider-Man games like this. 00:33:53.519 --> 00:34:03.039 So the fact that that Disney has wrapped its arms around its partners like Sony to say, like, bring your game to D23, it's an important and a part of our entertainment pillar, is like probably the biggest tell of all, right? 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:13.280 Do you think they understand and and this is very high level, so bear with me. 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:19.760 Oh you have two you have two congruent streaming services running their playbooks. 00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:31.840 Disney, like Greg said, is definitely going the route of like, let somebody else handle all of the hard work, and we'll give you the IP, and you guys make the best product that you can. 00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:44.960 The other side of the coin, or the other side, the other strategy from monolithic streamer that's out there is let's try to force feed as many things into our pipeline and see if people actually like them. 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:47.920 I think you know where I'm going with this, Colin. 00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:57.039 Do you think Netflix has to adopt the Disney strategy to make their gaming pillar work? 00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:03.920 Oh like go out to other people and make a Strangers Things game. 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:06.960 Like I think well, they got Stranger Things. 00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:09.920 They have the one where everybody dies all the time. 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:11.519 Um, what's that one called? 00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:12.639 Oh, Squid Game. 00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:15.039 Squid Game, yeah. 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:23.679 I mean, Bridge, like Bridgerton, like there's myriads of games that you could use as like not just visual novels, but like almost telltale stuff. 00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:30.159 I gotta be careful, man, because apparently when I talk about Netflix, I pick a lot of people mad and people tell me I'm wrong, and I just don't know the data, don't see the data. 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:31.760 And I which you know, okay, fair. 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:35.360 If they're if they're so bullish on a Netflix, um, put out your numbers. 00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:42.239 Um, I'm not the only critical uh analyst out there that looks at what they're saying and like this doesn't make any sense at all. 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:44.719 Um, yeah, but Netflix is like against their DNA. 00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:45.599 It's like such a weird thing. 00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:48.239 Like, oh, we could do everything in-house, and I just don't think you can. 00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:49.920 I think that's really, really hard. 00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:52.800 Um, so yeah, they should, would they? 00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:54.000 Dubious. 00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:56.880 I think do you think they have the IP to do it? 00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:59.119 I think Netflix is like fast fashion. 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.119 I think they have shows that are hits right now. 00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:04.880 No, no, they have some shows that stick around, but

they cancel things very quickly. 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:13.199 And if you were making a game and someone said, I want you to make this game based on this Netflix IP, and Netflix, again, games take three years, four years to build out. 00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:16.800 So why are you gonna invest in the game when there's a potential that Netflix kills it out? 00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:22.639 They'd rather go with mobile studios that can build these games quickly because this is a hit right now, and I'll stand by that. 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:27.760 That yes, you have Stranger Things and Squid games that have legs and some of these other games, but some of their shows just get canceled. 00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:31.599 And why would you put money into developing games on that when it could change very quickly? 00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:39.039 Greg, you need to make like the it's like H N like the instead of the M, but it's the N logo. 00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:41.039 Like that's what you need to do. 00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:43.280 That was that was brutal. 00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:45.519 That's I feel so bad for Netflix now. 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:47.840 Um let me just like shovel their corpse off and move. 00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:49.599 I don't think that's a bad thing. 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:53.599 You called them the fast fashion, like everyone's like, oh, they got IP in Stranger Things. 00:36:53.679 --> 00:37:03.760 And I actually buy that argument you just made because like is Stranger Things is Strangers Things actual IP, or is it the Ghostbusters of this generation where like in 15, 20 years no one cares, right? 00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:05.599 Like, and they just keep trying to mine that. 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:06.719 I'm sorry, they don't, right? 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:12.719 It's just uh like Goo Goonies is IP, like is it, or is it just a movie that people like and people moved on? 00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:16.719 Like IP to me is like the evergreen last forever. 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:17.679 That's Disney, man. 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:20.880 It's like yeah, you are breaking my movies. 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:29.519 Through all their skins, I mean they do like Fortnite, fast fashion, find someone else that's doing it, take my stuff and do it, like put it into your game already, license it, like you said. 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:35.039 Um, uh where I thought you were gonna go with your question, though, is like, is this like a corporate synergy? 00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:40.880 Um, where people always say, like, is Sony ever gonna take back the Spider-Man license to try to do the movies again? 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:48.239 Or is this like you scratch right back, I scratch yours, where Disney hold lords over them the gaming stuff where they need it increasingly the IP for their game engine. 00:37:48.400 --> 00:38:00.559 So there's this like symbiotic relationship between Sony and Disney that will just continue on, where Sony has the ability to make Spider-Man movies and they'll work in partnership with Marvel and Kim Feige and all that. 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:09.119 And in kind Disney will continue to work with Sony to adapt some of its IP in the video game format, and that's kind of the structure they have. 00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:14.559 Well, it to that degree, like they know where their fandoms live, right? 00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:20.400 Like you go to the rivals discord, there's you know, like thousands of people there, right? 00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:22.880 They're constantly pushing out new characters. 00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:33.679 The hood just came out, they're teasing Gore and Nightcrawler for the next season, like they're constantly pushing stuff out, and the game is still pretty self-sustained. 00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:38.960 I mean, get into a match pretty quick, but the game is still sustaining well enough. 00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:42.239 And to them, it's like, well, let Neddies do it, yeah. 00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:43.119 Who cares? 00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:52.960 Whereas like Netflix maybe should be should be sitting there saying, We know that gaming is core to our audience or core to a portion of our audience. 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:57.039 How do we you know make these synergies work a little bit better? 00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:08.480 And then maybe when things are more solidified, they can start to push things through their own distribution pipes because I feel like they're leading horses to water and and none of them are drinking. 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:10.800 Oh, they would tell you they are drinking, we just don't know. 00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:13.199 I just I'm incredibly dubious that they're drinking. 00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:18.239 Like, and it the the the the the proof is just in what they do, like so. 00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:20.800 Okay, they they say they reached a billion people. 00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:24.079 All right, then why are they cutting everything and not doubling down on that? 00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:31.679 Like, just tells you everything you need to know about their business model and like their strategy and whether it's actually driving lifetime value, which is I know what they look at. 00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:37.440 Like, I don't need to be working there to know it's all about LTV, and they're like, oh, what's the LTV of the consumer that plays this? 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:39.599 Um, is it driving further engagement? 00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:41.599 Probably, probably minimal, right? 00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:45.199 So they're they're basically kind of trying to figure it out. 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:49.119 And I just don't believe that becoming the New York Times of your TV set. 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:56.559 Um no shots at the New York Times, they have a wonderful business report, but like New York Times is the fast fashion of publications, everybody knows. 00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:57.519 Don't believe me. 00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:06.800 They're they're they're basically they're basically their thesis

is like we can just chase this hyper-casual audience, and I actually think there's a hyper-casual audience that exists. 00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:10.239 I just don't think it's in Amazon or or Netflix, I think it's on Pokey. 00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:13.280 Like, I do think you just it does exist, it's just over here. 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:16.639 People go, people want things that go to for specific reasons. 00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:18.079 It's the psychology of a gaming. 00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:21.920 Like, I why does next playground grow like this every year? 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:30.719 Because psychologically, people buy a machine, a gaming machine, a board top, or like a tabletop, whatever, to put in their living room for when they want to have family game night. 00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:33.599 They pull it out, they plug it in, like, oh, let's all play games. 00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:36.400 Like, do you think going like this? 00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:37.119 Yes, it is. 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:38.239 Our data shows it. 00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:39.840 Like, I mapped it, I did a whole thing on them. 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:43.840 Like, yeah, their reported growth mirr perfectly with our data. 00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:45.920 It's like, oh no, they are growing like this. 00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:48.800 Like, they are the more units to sell, the more attention they're getting. 00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:49.519 They are growing. 00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:51.519 And I think that's the next playground. 00:40:51.840 --> 00:41:07.679 In my dream world, Netflix should buy Jackbox and just implement their whole Jackbox platform directly into Netflix as is, because you still have that core casual audience that's sitting there with their cell phones, and they probably want to just play a game with the person that's next to them. 00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:11.199 And I think it's a perfect compliment to the audience that watches Netflix right now. 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:15.519 I think just like the detachment, and maybe this is your point about that. 00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:26.639 Like, I'd like to think I'd go to Netflix to have full, meaningful stories told to me, and like what they're leaning more intoward is like this disposable kind of gaming, right? 00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:30.960 Like the FIFA game is the epitome of disposable, right? 00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:36.000 You know, sure it engages the the soccer fandom, but like is there meeting on that story? 00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:38.559 No, it's just a game you pick up and leave, right? 00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:43.760 You're not building any sort of attachment, and I just think they should try to explore the attachment side. 00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:45.599 Just look at the Disney's doing to your point. 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:46.480 I mean, I don't think you're wrong. 00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:56.559 Maybe they do need to make a Stranger Things um boomer shooter and go to id and go here and go, please make us a boomer shooter um with the Stranger

Things IP. 00:41:56.639 --> 00:42:03.280 I just want to watch you know Levin blow the heck out of uh of various monsters as she walks around the corridors um of high school, right? 00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:03.599 Sure. 00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:12.480 No, if you're really smart, you take that and you go to a really good Roblox developer and say, I want you to create a really cool Stranger Things environment directly in Roblox. 00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:16.559 All of a sudden you're gonna bring a whole new audience into Stranger Things that hasn't been there before. 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:17.519 You mean the bots? 00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:18.400 I was just kidding. 00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:21.840 Um Greg's giving ideas to Super League now. 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:23.119 I know, right? 00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:25.119 Oh man, oh man. 00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:34.480 Um uh yeah, any other thoughts on the I didn't know expect us to go down the path of port Netflix, but um, I just feel uh Netflix no, but I'm on the location. 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:38.000 Justin you're in the Wall Street, they just need to adapt the free AI supported model. 00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:39.679 Like, guys, this is all distractions. 00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:48.480 Just put all your efforts into a free fast model, even if you launch it in Indonesia only, that's gonna drive more shareholder value than all this other stuff you're doing. 00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:49.199 No. 00:42:49.519 --> 00:43:13.599 I the last I spoiler alert, but the last conversation we had was a lot of commentary as to like the benefit of onboarding in a free sense, and then saying, like, hey, you caught season one, you know, upgrade path, upgrade to ads, upgrade to premium, you know, like there's there's a lot of positivity for that. 00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:14.639 So I don't know. 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:17.440 I mean, it's it's an it's an interesting model. 00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:19.119 YouTube is going that way. 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:23.440 They've just basically built the TV ecosystem that they're launching, like they're coming for you. 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:24.320 Google is. 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:34.239 And if you think that they are they don't have the war chest to do it, like look no further than their infinite amount of money they get from YouTube via ads, like uh and supporting creators, right? 00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:37.280 Um and their ability to buy off creators now. 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:45.519 I guess they're a little annoyed at Netflix to try to buy creators, so they're like, not only will we sandbag your videos, we're also gonna pay you a lot of money. 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:47.360 Like, of course they are. 00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:59.760 Netflix is never gonna be able to I mean, never say never, but it's it would be very difficult for them to pay out UGC competitively. 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:02.239 Versus YouTube's still like the gold standard. 00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:07.119 TikTok creators don't get nearly, yeah, like it's it's near impossible. 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:08.000 So it's impossible. 00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:15.360 But do you think Google is so far ahead because they own the ad tech that they basically bought and double click and then morphed it into GAM now? 00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:18.320 So they own the infrastructure, they own the platform. 00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:25.920 It's impossible, right? 00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:28.079 Yeah, but do you do you think so? 00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:37.119 This is kind of weird, but do you think because the barrier to entry for the gaming side is having a subscription for Netflix, right? 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:39.440 Why not lower that to nothing? 00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:43.199 I feel I've why not make that I feel I speak about it. 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:46.639 Why not make a lot of things free and just ad load the heck out of it, right? 00:44:46.800 --> 00:45:01.519 I mean, if you're in competition with the platforms you say you are, YouTube, TikTok, Meta, then and you don't look at the elephant in the room, which is a free version of those, like mostly free mostly only free version of those products, then you are not actually competing with them. 00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:03.679 Like you just fundamentally don't understand the business. 00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:14.480 If they're giving away things for free and still making hand over fist money, and you're clinging on to this notion that people have to pay for the content coming in the door, then you are never going to compete with them. 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:16.480 Yeah. 00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:16.960 Never. 00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:24.480 And I'm there's a lot of talk, there was a lot of talk earlier, like way before like when they put the ad-supported tier out. 00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:32.000 Was this idea of like, couldn't they just license out their content to like the Roku channel for not for basically not? 00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:35.039 Or just do it yourself and create and not make an empire in box. 00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:36.639 Why don't you do it yourself? 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:39.280 Let's talk about games for a moment. 00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:42.400 I want to know what game each of you are playing this week. 00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:46.320 Oh, um, am I if you want me to go for that? 00:45:47.599 --> 00:46:01.760 I have one more trophy to get in Saros, and then I get the platinum my trophy uh um race between me and uh another prominent um uh chat person on LinkedIn that's in our chat. 00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:07.039 Um, I am catching, I didn't realize I'd be behind, but I think I'm gonna win this. 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:13.440 Uh, and then I have to get one more trophy in Marathon, and then I get the platinum in that. 00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:18.400 So those are the two ones that I have to concurrently go through. 00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:22.079 Um is there anything else that was on my list there? 00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:22.960 Token. 00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:23.440 Oh, yeah.

00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:26.159 I'll be bouncing back in and uh token. 00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:26.800 Nice. 00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:29.199 I actually probably should pick that up this weekend and play it. 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:29.760 I haven't yet. 00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:30.559 I'll definitely do that. 00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:31.599 It's on my radar. 00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:37.119 Um, so my son would actually enjoy just watching Green Goblin like fly around and beat people up and Carnage. 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.519 Um I like that they took different characters and put them in there. 00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:43.280 That's not the usual, it's like not venomous Carnage, but uh that's danger, yeah. 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:44.960 Like it's awesome. 00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:45.760 Danger rule. 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:48.559 Yeah, uh I I just like that they did that. 00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:49.039 That's good. 00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:49.599 That's a good one. 00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:54.960 I'm not playing, I mean I am in a kind of a sabbatical of games until Wolverine comes out. 00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:59.760 I'm building out my uh my uh my next massive Lego sets. 00:46:59.920 --> 00:47:02.079 I built the Pokemon in like July-ish, right? 00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:07.360 Now I'm building the downtown Disneyland set for my daughter that I'll put in a room because that's what she wanted. 00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:11.920 So I'm currently assembling uh the the the fire station followed by the gift shop. 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:21.039 It's uh it's part of the line of Disney uh ex Lego sets where they just basically recreating Disneyland, uh building by building modular buildings that you could just collect. 00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:24.239 And so I have the train station already for my son, so we just bought that. 00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:29.360 So that's what I'm doing in my my uh non my time that normally be occupied by games, and we're definitely doing that. 00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:32.159 Um, but I'm gearing up for Wolverine. 00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:35.760 Um and honestly, I'm just a I'm a basic B going in the fall. 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:36.880 It's gonna be Wolverine. 00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:40.159 I assume it's gonna be Zelda Ocarina Time Remake, and it's gonna end on GTA 6. 00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.039 Those are the three games going in the fall that kind of already mapped to them up there. 00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:46.320 Yeah, it's just those three, right? 00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:48.800 Um yeah, I'll I'll play Token though. 00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:52.159 I will actually play Token because that's a game I could just put a couple hours in. 00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:54.960 Not feel like I had to dive into like 400 hours of something. 00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:57.519 I'm just like, yeah, I'll just play it for funds and be done. 00:47:57.840 --> 00:47:59.599 Set up a room, let's do it. 00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:01.039 Let's hop into the lab. 00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:04.320 Yeah, I'm terrible, so

it's perfect. 00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:09.840 I'll tell you, I have been playing uh Fortnite, but there's a new Fortnite update that comes out today. 00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:10.880 Uh Overdrive. 00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:11.920 Did you hear about that one? 00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:13.119 Yeah, Sega's in it. 00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:14.000 They finally brought Sonic. 00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:21.840 I haven't played Madden in a few years. 00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:30.079 I gotta say, the menu system is so smooth and so quick that as a franchise player, I'm like, oh, this is really cool now. 00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:31.280 I can zip through this. 00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:38.639 And I know that's a nerdy thing to get excited about, but I feel like it is just such a cool experience, and I'm excited to play more Madden. 00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:42.400 Again, I haven't played for years, and it's the only way I'm gonna see the Jets win. 00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:44.719 So I gotta try my best here. 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:46.719 Join the club. 00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:47.360 Yeah. 00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:48.880 Um all right. 00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:50.880 Let's talk about our final topic of the day. 00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:57.840 The big debate online that that Colin decided to just throw rocks in a stone house here or glass house here. 00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:08.719 Uh Disney World is clearly one of the best theme parks in amusement parks in the world, and Disneyland is also up there. 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:12.400 And there's a debate on which is the superior theme park. 00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:15.519 So everyone's very opinionated on this call. 00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:20.559 So let's start with the most opinion opinionated one of all, Colin. 00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:21.760 What's land? 00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:25.280 I'm like, I I'm not like casting shade on world. 00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:29.599 I mean, it's still a top two theme park in the world, probably. 00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:33.039 Um, I've not journeyed into Disneyland, Shanghai, or Japan. 00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:35.039 I heard the Japan Disneyland, it's like amazing. 00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:42.159 So for people that have gone, so um, it's just they have much more creative freedom over there to kind of do their thing, which okay. 00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:45.760 Um, my review of land goes as follows. 00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:57.360 And that this all started because I was talking to Amir Zvat and his complaints about trying to book things for that, and I made the the like Disneylands better than World, and he's like, You're crazy, and they kind of dovetailed from there. 00:49:57.599 --> 00:49:58.400 Here's the deal. 00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:03.440 Um, one, I did not know this about world, they don't get the same holidayfication that land gets. 00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:04.639 I think it's just crazy. 00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:08.400 They don't get the nightmare before Christmas, how to match and mash up is like an example. 00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:10.400 I was like, I I can't believe this. 00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:11.280 This is insane. 00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:21.039 This is like the best ride of Disneyland by a mile, like and and that's why I specifically only go in the fall or Christmas season to experience this ride, um, among the other rides. 00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:22.559 I guess the best time of you to go there. 00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:24.960 So that and it's alone, it's like wow. 00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:48.400 But then, like no offense to Magic Kingdom, but it's like it's Disneyland, but bigger, like in terms of just not bigger with more stuff, it's bigger in terms of the walkway is twice as large, and like and and yet it loses the charm of like it's a small world, it's not like nice looking castle in the back of the park, it's this cave they have to go through to get to, and it's like half as long. 00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:55.119 So I I would just stand up each park one by one, and I'll admit world has Epicot. 00:50:55.679 --> 00:51:03.920 I no notes, and this is probably my biggest complaint about world that they are solving now post-D23 to wrap a bow on this entire conversation. 00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:13.440 There is just not enough unique things about world that's separate from land other than cloning land that um they are now changing with lands that will only be at world. 00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:15.360 Like, so they should do more of that, right? 00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:17.039 A villain's land makes sense. 00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:22.480 A car's land that's not a ripoff of the California adventure version of cars land makes sense. 00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:42.960 Like, give me a reason to go to a world that is not just a disgustingly hot Florida um at all times of year with rain, and the same experience I'm getting at land, except it's just slightly off, and it's not the same because it doesn't have the waltz magic because it was built by you know the company after Walt had passed, basically. 00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:44.400 So there you are. 00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:46.719 Justin rebuttal. 00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:55.440 This is like oh and the Mona Lisa is like too small, you know, like it's it's like you're critiquing the best. 00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:56.880 Like, I don't understand. 00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:02.559 But look, and on top of this, all like never mind, like we actually have a Marvel Land in in California. 00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:14.800 We don't have this like weird thing at Universal Studios that is like a a snapshot of the 90s that it has to exist as it is exactly forever, otherwise they lose their license at Universal, so they'll just never let it go. 00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:30.000 I and you gotta imagine that Disney's offered them an insane amount of money, and maybe now Comcast is divesting everything, and you know the the hatred of Comcast at Disney is maybe subsiding that they'll maybe finally sell the rights back to Disney, but like big miss, man. 00:52:30.079 -->

00:52:34.880 There's no Marvel minus the Guardians ride at Epcot, which again, Epcot, amazing. 00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:45.760 Cosmic Rewind is like easily the best thing that you can ride like within the Disney Pantheon, right? 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:47.920 It is up there, it's amazing. 00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:50.239 That line is always incredibly long. 00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:54.159 Not to mention, did you forget that there's Galaxy's Edge? 00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:55.920 Like, did you forget that that exists? 00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:57.280 We have it in California. 00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:58.079 We built it first. 00:52:58.159 --> 00:52:58.800 I'm well aware. 00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:00.960 It's exactly a clone of our California. 00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:08.159 Like the Hollywood Studios park is like the is the worst park by far in world because it's got like nothing. 00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:11.039 It's there's like a section of it that's literally just for autographs. 00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:12.639 It's like, what are you doing with this real estate? 00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.119 Oh, it's occasionally we're gonna use it for autograph signing. 00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:18.559 I'm like Slinky Dog is an epic roller coaster. 00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:21.280 I would do not do not poo-poo on Slinky Dog. 00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:23.760 Oh I took it. 00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:28.639 The difference is you're like Disneyland is a great started this. 00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:32.960 Like this is like I'm just speaking truth. 00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:34.719 And I think most Disney people agree. 00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:40.480 Land is a magical place, and it's not to say that world is not fit its fit its spot. 00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:47.599 It's there to it's there to free up space at land so everyone doesn't go to land, they go to world, and they just fill that up because there's more space, and I'm okay with that. 00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:48.000 Great. 00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:49.119 Everyone go to world. 00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:56.320 Your comment on Animal Kingdom too was like that was that blew my zoo. 00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:02.159 It's so amazing. 00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:03.519 Yeah, we have a zoo in California. 00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:05.039 It's called the uh San Diego Zoo. 00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:07.519 Um it's an actual zoo and it's affordable. 00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:12.000 Um Avatar world is insane, and you're never gonna get it now. 00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:14.159 You're right about that. 00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:15.679 We're never gonna get it now. 00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:25.039 Um that poor Avatar third movie did so uh mid that they were just like canceling everything that they were gonna do on Avatar, which uh, you know what? 00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:26.639 They were like Navi. 00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:32.719 Um I I legit fell asleep on the Avatar boat ride to Animal Kingdom. 00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:35.920 It was just like I was so exhausted. 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:40.159 The heat was you know, Florida, it's hot, and they were just like, oh my gosh, it's air conditioned boat ride. 00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:44.000 I like LA guy complaining about Florida heat. 00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:51.679 Like, you guys are just so used to wearing like five shirts on the east coast with everything you go to, so you could just like layer them off throughout the day because of the humidity. 00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:54.480 Uh and look, I I I like my dry oven heat. 00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:55.119 That's LA. 00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:56.320 Talk about this though. 00:54:56.400 --> 00:55:00.639 Like, Disney World is a true like it's a getaway. 00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:06.400 You you are in a different world, whereas Disneyland, you're there for like a couple of hours and be like, all right, I'm done. 00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:07.679 Florida. 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:10.960 And then think about what they did in Florida. 00:55:11.199 --> 00:55:13.760 That's an amazing feat, you know. 00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:18.800 Like, look, East Coast, West Coast, we have our you know, differences. 00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:26.800 Obviously, the one that we all should be like, you know, casting shade on is our friends to the south. 00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:29.840 Um, listen, I'm sorry. 00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:31.519 Florida is very nice. 00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:34.480 There are 23 million people in Florida. 00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:40.880 Don't hold it, don't hold the actions of 21 million people against all of Florida. 00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:41.840 You know what I'm saying? 00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:42.880 Like, oh man. 00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:44.159 I'm only kidding. 00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:46.000 Look, world rules. 00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:48.400 I love Florida, it's amazing. 00:55:48.559 --> 00:56:03.920 I'm sure it's fun out west, like, you know, it's a great day trip, but let's face it, like what you have in Orlando with Disney World, uncomparable, just uncomparable. 00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:10.880 Like Greg was saying, Slinky Dog, the Barnstormer, all the fun stuff in Magic Kingdom. 00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:12.400 I mean, come on. 00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:14.480 Wider streets. 00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:17.360 Your complaint is that the streets are too wide? 00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:19.199 Like, I don't understand. 00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:22.079 I just I'm trying to grasp about the selling point of going to world. 00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:28.079 And there again, it's a if it's a direct clone but slightly worse than land, then then basically this is Magic Kingdom speak right here. 00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:30.239 It's like, what why do I even go? 00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:32.239 And you have to break it down Pike Break Park. 00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:35.440 So I'm going to World to go to Epcot, which again, unassailable. 00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:36.639 Epcot's amazing. 00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:38.159 Epcot's one of one. 00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:39.119 Great park, right? 00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:42.000 Um frozen walk around the

different countries. 00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:43.760 Frozen rise and tense. 00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:53.760 Um, it's uh it's uh a must do if you have a daughter, which we did, and then it's also a uh a knife fight to get on there, and then a knife fight to then meet Elsa uh uh separately. 00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:57.599 So um and going around the different countries, fun time. 00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:04.320 Um, you know, like that they staff it locally with people that are visaed in from those countries. 00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:04.800 That's cool. 00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:06.400 That's a little bit of charm to it. 00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:10.400 Um, also got a good fireworks show at the end of the night, a little laser show they host in the middle, right? 00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:11.679 Solid stuff right there, right? 00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:12.559 Um, good times. 00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:14.239 I have no beef at Epcot. 00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:15.840 My beef is with the other three parks. 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:18.719 Um, and and then you just paper it over with more stuff. 00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:21.760 Like if it's more stuff, it's like, oh, and we have two water parks here. 00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:24.000 I was like, Disney and water parks? 00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:26.079 Like, is that okay, sure. 00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:29.280 Um, I guess it's hot. 00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:31.760 You were complaining about wearing 10 shirts. 00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:33.760 No, no, for all of them. 00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:42.320 It's like almost like Disney World is like in part like a a totem to the 90s in terms of theme park design and and all that sort of stuff. 00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:46.159 Like almost like a like they were chasing six flags when six flags was the thing that mattered. 00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:49.679 Um I'm gonna end it with this because we're at time. 00:57:49.920 --> 00:58:00.239 The one thing that world has is that they don't have any mosquitoes, and I think for the fact that they were able to get rid of mosquitoes is itself a phenomenon and something they deserve the credit for. 00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:01.760 Well, they have alligators that eat people. 00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:02.239 Look it up. 00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:02.880 That's different. 00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:04.159 I I could deal with alligators. 00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:05.440 I can't deal with mosquitoes. 00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:07.039 They put signs up now. 00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:10.000 Um Justin, let the people know where they can find you. 00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:13.519 LinkedIn, you can find me on LinkedIn, Justin Ruiz. 00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:18.639 Uh, please visit the BWG website if you'd like to join any of our forums or reach out to me directly. 00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:28.480 I'm always happy to help onboard people to our forums and uh find the right place where you can contribute and listen and network and all great stuff like that. 00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:30.000 So that's where you can find me. 00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:33.760 Appreciate you always jumping on and listening and being a fan. 00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:35.440 And Colin, let us know. 00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:45.360 Uh, you can find me on uh LinkedIn, obviously, and my newsletter patch notes, and here every Thursday uh most of the time uh to hang out with Greg. 00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:47.199 So um, yeah, player driven. 00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:48.880 Next week we will be back. 00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:51.840 We will be having a Gamescom edition. 00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:56.800 We'll have Alex Lee from Gamespeed, I think, joining us, and we're gonna just break down what's going on at Gamescom. 00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:58.800 Microsoft's gonna be announcing some new stuff. 00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:00.320 There's gonna be a lot of good stuff coming out. 00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:03.199 I'm really pumped, and hope you guys have a good week. 00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:04.320 I'll catch you next week. 00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:05.599 Bye, guys.