EVERTON’S UNBEATEN RUN CONTINUES! | Outside The Box의 전체 녹취록

go. 95 00:03:10.993 --> 00:03:12.073 I think you should be going there. 96 00:03:12.113 --> 00:03:13.753 I was like, where mum? 97 00:03:13.833 --> 00:03:15.714 She was like, it's at Everton Stadium. 98 00:03:15.754 --> 00:03:18.075 I thought, well, Everton haven't actually contacted me to go. 99 00:03:18.575 --> 00:03:21.259 So I thought, well, that's the first sign that I shouldn't be there. 100 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:25.125 And then I just thought, okay, well, better turn off, hadn't I? 101 00:03:25.645 --> 00:03:26.707 Because my mum is all bad. 102 00:03:27.027 --> 00:03:27.248 Yeah. 103 00:03:27.268 --> 00:03:29.311 So it's only the Prince of England, like? 104 00:03:29.651 --> 00:03:31.634 Listen, it was great to meet him, him and his wife. 105 00:03:31.654 --> 00:03:32.576 Well, Prince of Wales. 106 00:03:32.596 --> 00:03:33.177 He was brilliant. 107 00:03:34.113 --> 00:03:35.214 him and his wife were brilliant. 108 00:03:35.494 --> 00:03:37.597 It was a really good event, wasn't it? 109 00:03:37.957 --> 00:03:45.545 The most important thing is it was highlighting men's mental health and mental health for everybody across the workplace, just in all different sets and scenarios. 110 00:03:45.585 --> 00:03:47.307 I thought it was brilliant in what they were doing. 111 00:03:47.367 --> 00:03:48.788 Yeah, it wasn't just men's. 112 00:03:49.449 --> 00:03:54.314 It was just highlighting mental health and the fight to prevent suicides and... 113 00:03:55.781 --> 00:03:57.282 Campbell Hatton spoke, didn't he? 114 00:03:57.362 --> 00:03:58.202 Really, really well. 115 00:03:58.222 --> 00:03:59.543 He's a lovely kid, Campbell. 116 00:04:00.284 --> 00:04:01.484 Dame Kelly Holmes spoke. 117 00:04:03.125 --> 00:04:09.349 Dame Laura Kenny spoke up on stage alongside, obviously, different times than The Prince. 118 00:04:09.369 --> 00:04:22.657 So it was good to be in a room with all those people and hear their stories and try and relate, understand, realise that this could happen to anybody and to be aware of it. 119 00:04:22.757 --> 00:04:24.098 And if you are feeling... 120 00:04:25.753 --> 00:04:29.015 If you are feeling those kind of feelings, let somebody know. 121 00:04:29.135 --> 00:04:37.798 If you're a friend of somebody and you suspect that could be happening, that they're feeling down, they're unexpectedly in a bit of a rut, go and ask why. 122 00:04:38.019 --> 00:04:38.639 Go find out. 123 00:04:38.679 --> 00:04:45.682 So it's good to be a part of that event, and I'm sure and I hope it will help moving forward. 124 00:04:49.185 --> 00:04:50.526 An incredibly important message. 125 00:04:51.387 --> 00:04:52.748 Let's move on to football. 126 00:04:53.289 --> 00:04:55.791 We are six games now unbeaten, still. 127 00:04:56.452 --> 00:04:59.194 Everton versus Tottenham. 128 00:04:59.294 --> 00:05:01.716 Everton versus Tottenham, 0-0. 129 00:05:01.896 --> 00:05:04.299 To be fair, we were chatting saying it was going to be a draw. 130 00:05:04.619 --> 00:05:06.180 Where do you want to start with that game? 131 00:05:06.701 --> 00:05:09.764 What type of things were you intrigued by? 132 00:05:12.686 --> 00:05:13.247 The fact... 133 00:05:15.113 --> 00:05:18.040 I thought we defended well, but they started quite quickly. 134 00:05:19.096 --> 00:05:20.636 And yet, touch wood. 135 00:05:21.057 --> 00:05:23.997 I've got faith in us as a back four. 136 00:05:24.018 --> 00:05:27.759 I think Jarrod Brantway is an absolute Rolls Royce. 137 00:05:28.219 --> 00:05:33.460 Even when he's exposed 1v1 or he gets into certain positions, touch wood again. 138 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:40.102 I'm not trying to jinx the lad for this weekend's game, but he always seems in control of the situation. 139 00:05:40.122 --> 00:05:41.203 And I love that. 140 00:05:41.243 --> 00:05:43.283 Mikhelenko had his best game. 141 00:05:43.303 --> 00:05:45.124 I think he got man of the match officially. 142 00:05:49.043 --> 00:05:54.005 probably not been heralded as a fantastic right back in his time. 143 00:05:54.165 --> 00:05:56.286 He's really stepped up so far this season. 144 00:05:56.846 --> 00:06:00.468 There's probably a lot of people thinking if we're going to strengthen in positions, it's right back, left back. 145 00:06:01.008 --> 00:06:01.908 He's stepped up. 146 00:06:03.589 --> 00:06:05.090 And I just thought we were solid across the board. 147 00:06:05.130 --> 00:06:09.832 And at halftime, although I actually went in open for a win at halftime, no one out of the game went. 148 00:06:09.852 --> 00:06:12.052 So I was thinking I'll take a 0-0 draw here. 149 00:06:12.513 --> 00:06:13.653 And we're capable of getting that. 150 00:06:13.713 --> 00:06:16.995 So we know it's going to be tough at the top end of the pitch this season. 151 00:06:17.015 --> 00:06:17.475 So the more 152 00:06:18.497 --> 00:06:21.919 the more clean sheets we get, the better we'll be for the team. 153 00:06:23.200 --> 00:06:31.585 I mean, purely for selfish reasons, I was over the moon with the 0-0 because I have an evident defender and I also have Jordan Pickford and Golden, my fancy football team. 154 00:06:32.226 --> 00:06:36.448 So it wasn't just about fancy football, it was about getting the results. 155 00:06:37.169 --> 00:06:38.489 But yeah, they were really good. 156 00:06:38.950 --> 00:06:40.651 I thought, you know, going... 157 00:06:41.810 --> 00:06:51.632 As we always touch upon, when someone's looking for the results and they haven't had the results in an hour long and they haven't scored a goal, you just think, right, first five minutes, just play Everton. 158 00:06:51.972 --> 00:06:53.132 We said to me, yeah. 159 00:06:53.252 --> 00:06:53.872 Yeah. 160 00:06:54.292 --> 00:06:57.733 Just play Everton because you'll get to the win and you'll probably be winning 3-0 at a half time. 161 00:06:58.553 --> 00:07:04.014 And the fact that they went out there and just shut them down, I thought it was really impressive, really

good. 162 00:07:04.054 --> 00:07:07.415 And listen, we could have nicked the win, but I think the draw was overall fair. 163 00:07:07.995 --> 00:07:08.175 And... 164 00:07:09.575 --> 00:07:30.272 it's one of the only times where I've seen Everton go away from home and you don't look like you're just playing for the draw you look like you're going you know we're going to have a go here as well we're going to try and nick it and so going towards the end them last 10 minutes they were nervy for Tottenham I thought they were the ones who were panicking we were the ones on the ascendancy and I thought we were good so I 165 00:07:31.452 --> 00:07:48.237 made up, and the fact that we're going away from it, we're doing better at home, you know, we look more consistent at home, we look more direct at home, I just think, you know, we're on the up, obviously we're short one number, but, it is what it is, we've just got to deal with it. 166 00:07:48.858 --> 00:07:50.899 We had the better chances in that game as well. 167 00:07:51.520 --> 00:07:52.981 Make no mistake about it. 168 00:07:53.702 --> 00:07:56.944 I mean, Tiano is unlucky. 169 00:07:57.945 --> 00:07:59.586 He's got a score, but he's unlucky. 170 00:07:59.686 --> 00:08:01.447 I mean, the keeper doesn't even know it hits his head. 171 00:08:02.268 --> 00:08:04.309 I'll be saying that about him a little bit again. 172 00:08:04.429 --> 00:08:05.130 I'm sure a bit. 173 00:08:05.470 --> 00:08:07.471 He's got a score, but he's really unlucky. 174 00:08:07.972 --> 00:08:11.114 Keenan Drewsby Hall has a really good chance. 175 00:08:11.775 --> 00:08:13.496 He could lay that off for a tap-in. 176 00:08:13.716 --> 00:08:14.997 We trust him to go by himself. 177 00:08:15.017 --> 00:08:15.998 The keeper makes a save. 178 00:08:16.738 --> 00:08:17.960 Brennan Johnson's got to score that. 179 00:08:18.260 --> 00:08:25.388 I know it's coming to him quickly and I know it bounces just in front of him, but he's inside the frame of the goal and he's got all of the goals to aim for. 180 00:08:25.909 --> 00:08:30.074 He just needs to sort of caress it, control it, guide it. 181 00:08:30.714 --> 00:08:33.217 And he seemed to go for like time and power, which... 182 00:08:34.148 --> 00:08:37.910 you know, if you try and drop a ball and hit it, it's going to be hard. 183 00:08:38.070 --> 00:08:40.852 Just let your foot meet it on its way through. 184 00:08:41.933 --> 00:08:49.338 And he didn't, but we had the best chances in the game and definitely could have won, but I think we'd take a point, as Tony said. 185 00:08:49.358 --> 00:08:55.802 But again, I'll touch on what Tony said, the fact that getting to a certain part of the game, knowing that, 186 00:08:56.860 --> 00:09:14.775 Everton usually do this to us or Everton will usually concede a goal or, you know, we get to these situations, it doesn't matter how well we've done, something, you know, a ball will go against us or history will go against us and we actually,

we've stood up to history and we've stood up to our own recent sort of, 187 00:09:15.736 --> 00:09:19.838 negativity of noise that we're even making. 188 00:09:20.058 --> 00:09:23.860 That, you know, well, it'll be us or their striker will score because they'll score. 189 00:09:24.220 --> 00:09:25.461 The team stood up to that as well. 190 00:09:25.721 --> 00:09:28.222 And that was probably the thing I liked the most. 191 00:09:28.242 --> 00:09:30.103 They stood up to history. 192 00:09:32.464 --> 00:09:37.286 Does Moyes deserve big plaudits for how hard he's made us to get beat? 193 00:09:37.346 --> 00:09:38.667 I don't know about plaudits. 194 00:09:39.367 --> 00:09:40.367 I think we're pleased with it. 195 00:09:40.768 --> 00:09:41.988 But I think it's what we expect. 196 00:09:42.048 --> 00:09:43.689 I think if you're looking at a David Moyes team, 197 00:09:45.350 --> 00:09:51.817 I think if he was to be the manager of us for the next five or six years, by the end of that, we will be playing lovely football. 198 00:09:52.198 --> 00:09:58.084 But at the start, I mean, we might say two or three years for anyone listening that's scared by that time frame. 199 00:09:58.284 --> 00:10:00.106 We're not going to play good football for five, six years. 200 00:10:00.487 --> 00:10:01.428 That's not what I'm saying. 201 00:10:01.848 --> 00:10:05.032 I'm saying, but if he was ahead of us for a long time, 202 00:10:06.167 --> 00:10:13.014 By the end of it, I think he showed in three or four different football teams I played in, the Pienares and the Cales and when Darren Gibson came and Jelovic. 203 00:10:13.314 --> 00:10:17.018 We played a lot of different good football along the way, but he always starts at the back. 204 00:10:17.058 --> 00:10:19.260 He always starts to try and make you solid. 205 00:10:19.280 --> 00:10:20.761 So when you say plaudits for that, it's... 206 00:10:21.462 --> 00:10:23.864 It's where his base of his team comes from. 207 00:10:23.884 --> 00:10:26.365 I always knew he'd come in and bring that to us. 208 00:10:26.405 --> 00:10:27.926 I knew he'd make us difficult to get beat. 209 00:10:28.587 --> 00:10:30.088 I knew he'd make us competitive. 210 00:10:30.108 --> 00:10:33.990 I knew he'd sign players that buy into that across midfield. 211 00:10:34.010 --> 00:10:35.972 So I don't think I'm ever worried about that. 212 00:10:36.032 --> 00:10:36.992 So yes, I'm pleased. 213 00:10:37.012 --> 00:10:37.673 Yes, I'm happy. 214 00:10:37.693 --> 00:10:41.495 Yes, I'll say brilliant Dave Moyes, a team capable of keeping clean sheets. 215 00:10:42.636 --> 00:10:46.459 But that's his thing, isn't it? 216 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:47.599 That's his mandate. 217 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:48.540 That's what he does. 218 00:10:48.800 --> 00:10:49.601 It's his bread and butter. 219 00:10:50.462 --> 00:11:07.824 that's just David Moyes all over that's his ethos comes in he makes you hard to beat it should be any manager's ethos if I'm being totally honest if you don't concede goals and you're not hard to beat and you're hard to beat then you've got somewhere to start it's as simple as that if you're not conceding goals you're not losing games 220 00:11:08.745 --> 00:11:20.355 and that's how I would think every manager would look at it but do you know what I'm of this I think we're playing really good football at times I really do they're knocking around the pass it's not 221 00:11:21.362 --> 00:11:27.268 This isn't the David Moyes I've seen when he was first at our place with the kind of football he played at times. 222 00:11:27.748 --> 00:11:29.009 Because there's players running... 223 00:11:29.250 --> 00:11:31.392 It's like Niles, you're staying... 224 00:11:31.412 --> 00:11:32.733 I'm talking about the Wolves game now. 225 00:11:33.714 --> 00:11:34.334 Maitland Niles. 226 00:11:34.935 --> 00:11:38.579 Mate, he set off a few times last night and I thought, oh, where are you going? 227 00:11:39.419 --> 00:11:40.721 Oh, you're in the other half. 228 00:11:40.761 --> 00:11:42.702 And at times he was running to midfield. 229 00:11:43.403 --> 00:11:45.804 That scared the life out of you, a full-back being in the other half. 230 00:11:46.104 --> 00:11:47.725 Absolutely frightened the life out of me. 231 00:11:47.905 --> 00:11:54.108 It's not that he was in the other half, it's just the fact that he went running into the centre of the park a couple of times and I just thought, oh, I told you to do that. 232 00:11:54.852 --> 00:11:56.533 Well, do you know what the good thing about that is? 233 00:11:56.553 --> 00:12:01.136 He's a midfielder and he's capable of, which I've seen a few times, he can get on the half turn and get... 234 00:12:01.156 --> 00:12:01.977 Anyway, sorry, carry on. 235 00:12:02.297 --> 00:12:03.418 But how quick was he as well? 236 00:12:03.658 --> 00:12:05.219 And he was lightning fast, you know. 237 00:12:06.179 --> 00:12:08.521 I thought Wolves were really decent, to be fair, last night. 238 00:12:08.721 --> 00:12:11.383 I thought they were very good, thought they were very well drilled. 239 00:12:11.403 --> 00:12:12.804 I thought they had some decent chances. 240 00:12:13.624 --> 00:12:19.068 Jordan Peggford pulls off a massive and really important save into that second half. 241 00:12:19.868 --> 00:12:21.930 And then I thought... 242 00:12:22.990 --> 00:12:23.791 I thought it was one of... 243 00:12:25.575 --> 00:12:27.396 Tieno Barry's lesser games. 244 00:12:27.816 --> 00:12:29.557 I'm trying to be as positive as I can. 245 00:12:29.777 --> 00:12:32.979 I didn't think he'd done very well against Wolves. 246 00:12:33.179 --> 00:12:44.146 But I'll tell you something, when Brennan Johnson come on, the speed and the quickness of him and the fact that he was able to get into certain positions that Barry weren't. 247 00:12:44.886 --> 00:12:48.809 He had a one-on-one chance and he was in the speed of light. 248 00:12:48.829 --> 00:12:49.929 The ball got played. 249

00:12:49.949 --> 00:12:51.590 I think it was Keenan Dupia who sets him in. 250 00:12:52.331 --> 00:12:52.611 Yeah. 251 00:12:53.765 --> 00:12:55.206 And he's in and behind them. 252 00:12:55.266 --> 00:12:59.510 Within a couple of minutes of being on, I just thought, oh, that's the kind of run... 253 00:13:00.161 --> 00:13:03.042 And I've never had him down, Brennan Johnson, as an out-now forward. 254 00:13:03.183 --> 00:13:04.203 And I don't think he is. 255 00:13:05.184 --> 00:13:11.607 But the fact that he sees them runs and he makes them lets me know, oh, you can be a false nine. 256 00:13:11.647 --> 00:13:13.048 You can be a decoy. 257 00:13:13.428 --> 00:13:15.649 You can open the game up for other players to come into. 258 00:13:16.369 --> 00:13:18.450 I just thought, you know, there was a lot of positives. 259 00:13:18.470 --> 00:13:22.672 So, you know what the biggest, most important thing for me now is this weekend? 260 00:13:23.333 --> 00:13:23.873 Not losing. 261 00:13:25.329 --> 00:13:26.470 Do not lose momentum. 262 00:13:26.490 --> 00:13:28.731 Don't go into the international break. 263 00:13:29.051 --> 00:13:35.175 Ideally, we'd love to all go in on a win, 3-4, 5-0 win, give these a good hiding like they deserve, what they should be getting. 264 00:13:35.556 --> 00:13:40.619 But ultimately, just keep the momentum of going in, because I hate these international breaks. 265 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:42.260 I mean, we've just had a World Cup. 266 00:13:42.300 --> 00:13:43.221 It shouldn't even be happening. 267 00:13:43.761 --> 00:13:44.702 It should not be happening. 268 00:13:44.762 --> 00:13:46.643 It should be cancelled out for a whole season. 269 00:13:46.663 --> 00:13:47.744 Just no internationals. 270 00:13:48.064 --> 00:13:50.425 Let everyone just enjoy playing club football. 271 00:13:51.346 --> 00:13:52.646 It's like two weeks as well, isn't it? 272 00:13:52.766 --> 00:13:53.266 So annoying. 273 00:13:53.286 --> 00:13:53.887 It's pathetic. 274 00:13:53.947 --> 00:13:54.467 I don't mind. 275 00:13:54.527 --> 00:13:57.407 I get a couple of weeks off from where? 276 00:13:57.888 --> 00:14:02.389 Don't start me off again. 277 00:14:02.429 --> 00:14:03.909 I don't mind a little international. 278 00:14:04.249 --> 00:14:05.269 I've never, ever minded. 279 00:14:05.289 --> 00:14:08.210 The only time I hated the international break was when I got called up for England. 280 00:14:08.570 --> 00:14:10.190 Suddenly I had to work during the week. 281 00:14:13.231 --> 00:14:32.221 other than that I used to get a lovely weekend away what will the routine be like for the players international break because we're not full of internationals are we to be honest so what's the dance no we've got a few but I I don't actually know this time because this is the first time it's ever been such a long one so normally I don't know 282 00:14:32.821 --> 00:14:38.728 For an international kind of break, let's just say you play on a Saturday, you have one weekend off. 283 00:14:39.068 --> 00:14:42.032 It's a variation of this by a day or two, but it's generally the same. 284 00:14:42.052 --> 00:14:44.134 You'll probably have Sunday, Monday off. 285 00:14:44.154 --> 00:14:49.120 You'll come back into training Tuesday, Wednesday, maybe Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, depending on the manager. 286 00:14:49.420 --> 00:14:51.362 You'll work really hard in those three days. 287 00:14:52.458 --> 00:14:57.579 And then you'll get a variation of Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, maybe even Monday off. 288 00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:04.101 And then you'll come back at the start of the next week and then you start building up to your game on the following weekend. 289 00:15:04.141 --> 00:15:08.482 And again, you might come back Monday of your game, Saturday of your game, not till Sunday. 290 00:15:08.622 --> 00:15:10.982 They might give you an extra day off Tuesday. 291 00:15:11.002 --> 00:15:15.863 And then the internationals come back a variation of Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. 292 00:15:16.244 --> 00:15:21.845 I mean, the ones that travel a long way can come back Friday, morning, Friday night even, but. 293 00:15:22.565 --> 00:15:23.986 You then start to build up to the team. 294 00:15:24.006 --> 00:15:37.073 So if you're not in the squad, you get at least three, maybe even four days off continuously over a period, which, as I say, I used to love, get myself away, power down, just mentally. 295 00:15:37.494 --> 00:15:46.519 It's a great little mental break of, right, we've done that first section, we've got this many points, or we didn't, or it was disabled, just to go away and reassess it, have a think about it. 296 00:15:47.119 --> 00:15:59.642 power down, mentally spend a bit of time with your family because even though the season's just started, which it has and everybody's thinking like yourselves, we've only been going for three weeks, but the players have been back in training for eight, nine weeks now. 297 00:16:00.082 --> 00:16:05.443 Three of them, maybe even four of them, they've actually spent on tour away from the family. 298 00:16:05.523 --> 00:16:10.404 Three weeks in Australia or two weeks in America or two weeks in Austria. 299 00:16:10.524 --> 00:16:15.285 You've literally spent no time with your family over the last eight weeks because the season starts thick and fast as well. 300 00:16:15.325 --> 00:16:15.505 So, 301 00:16:16.245 --> 00:16:23.628 Yeah, it was always a good time just to reconnect, power down and do all that until I got an England cap, which was... 302 00:16:25.188 --> 00:16:26.529 So it's just to be sure. 303 00:16:26.709 --> 00:16:28.730 I'm only joking about that for anyone listening. 304 00:16:28.750 --> 00:16:30.130 I'm very proud of the England cap. 305 00:16:30.150 --> 00:16:30.911 Just to be sure. 306 00:16:30.931 --> 00:16:36.493 So for the outside looking in, you'll think of normal football fans, they'll be thinking, mate, they've got two weeks

off. 307 00:16:36.833 --> 00:16:39.494 So the gaffer's not just going to come in and go, you've just got a full week off. 308 00:16:39.514 --> 00:16:40.094 That's never going to happen. 309 00:16:40.194 --> 00:16:40.835 No, not at all. 310 00:16:40.875 --> 00:16:44.958 But especially because it's different this time because there's literally two weekends off. 311 00:16:44.998 --> 00:16:46.800 There's two international breaks packed into one. 312 00:16:47.500 --> 00:16:51.624 So I've got absolutely no idea how the managers are going to do it. 313 00:16:51.764 --> 00:16:53.585 And it's the first time for all the different managers. 314 00:16:53.605 --> 00:16:54.986 So I would be amazed if... 315 00:16:55.980 --> 00:17:03.622 throughout the whole of the Premier League and Championship, that anybody sort of has a set way of doing it and anybody does it the same. 316 00:17:03.682 --> 00:17:08.884 There'll be variations as everybody's trying to see what works best for them, what works best for the squad. 317 00:17:08.904 --> 00:17:18.687 There's probably, I would expect, going to be a behind-closed-doors friendly for a few players that probably need a game or are on the way back from fitness. 318 00:17:18.947 --> 00:17:19.608 Eight minutes. 319 00:17:19.668 --> 00:17:20.248 If it was me... 320 00:17:21.147 --> 00:17:28.753 and I was one of the players that hasn't been called up, I would like it behind closed doors friendly, rather than just train all the time, train, train, train. 321 00:17:28.773 --> 00:17:29.913 I'd rather just have a little knock. 322 00:17:29.934 --> 00:17:30.574 Let's bring in... 323 00:17:31.415 --> 00:17:37.759 It might have to be a team that needs a game as well, but bring someone in and let's play. 324 00:17:37.959 --> 00:17:40.922 Do you know when you're playing them behind those friendly games? 325 00:17:42.732 --> 00:17:43.833 is everyone going for it? 326 00:17:43.853 --> 00:17:52.139 I mean, I know that sounds stupid, are people trying, everyone's trying to impress the manager, are you trying to show that, you know, you should be playing, or how does that work? 327 00:17:52.859 --> 00:18:01.465 It depends on your mentality, it depends on where you are, with regards to the team, it depends on your fitness levels, it depends on what you're trying to prove, you know, 328 00:18:01.925 --> 00:18:04.286 For some people, it's just get through the 90 minutes. 329 00:18:04.466 --> 00:18:18.152 Don't feel like you're going to... For instance, if Jimmy Garner's now going to be there, just picking him out, just for instance, a guy who's getting better by the game, his fitness levels are getting better, you're saying, play the game, no stupid tackles. 330 00:18:19.252 --> 00:18:20.052 No stupid this. 331 00:18:20.152 --> 00:18:22.033 Don't think you have to play 70-yard passes. 332 00:18:22.053 --> 00:18:23.053 Don't think you have to impress me. 333 00:18:23.194 --> 00:18:26.115 You impress me by getting through the 90 minutes without an injury. 334 00:18:26.755 --> 00:18:27.315 All right? 335 00:18:28.115 --> 00:18:29.036 I'm not bothered about the result. 336 00:18:29.056 --> 00:18:35.338 You are bothered about the result in terms of if Sheffield United, for instance, bring a team to Finch Farm and you play. 337 00:18:35.438 --> 00:18:38.979 You want to beat Sheffield United's variation of this. 338 00:18:39.339 --> 00:18:39.999 But you're not that. 339 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:40.860 You know, it doesn't matter. 340 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:41.220 As long as... 341 00:18:42.220 --> 00:18:44.581 people and pieces get what they need to be. 342 00:18:44.621 --> 00:18:47.682 Maybe trying somebody in a different spot. 343 00:18:47.902 --> 00:18:51.103 But yeah, you just want them to get through the minutes. 344 00:18:51.183 --> 00:18:52.624 And we're a small squad. 345 00:18:52.644 --> 00:18:54.025 We're going to need everybody firing. 346 00:18:54.045 --> 00:18:54.765 What you don't want... 347 00:18:56.012 --> 00:19:01.513 for instance, is you just mentioned about Everton not having a load of internationals. 348 00:19:01.533 --> 00:19:13.956 I think we've got a few, but for those that go away, if they go away and they train intensely at their international teams and they do great, and if they play, they've kept up their fitness and they've played a lot of football. 349 00:19:13.996 --> 00:19:17.517 If they don't, at least they've trained at a real top level for a bit. 350 00:19:18.017 --> 00:19:32.045 If you're not doing it for suddenly two to two and a half weeks back at the training ground, and you've probably not been playing anyway, suddenly you're just coming down from those top fitness levels that you've got to, because you're not playing international games. 351 00:19:32.065 --> 00:19:35.167 You're not keeping up your fitness. 352 00:19:35.187 --> 00:19:36.147 You're just dropping off. 353 00:19:36.168 --> 00:19:36.488 It's like... 354 00:19:37.088 --> 00:19:48.858 For instance, if a guy doesn't play for three weeks, three weeks later, he's going to probably not, he's going to be 95, 90% of his potential sharpness just from coming down, not playing. 355 00:19:48.878 --> 00:19:51.421 So that's why I think they'll add the games in as well. 356 00:19:51.501 --> 00:19:56.025 And I think I'm really interested to see how these teams manage it, to be honest. 357 00:19:56.765 --> 00:19:56.886 Hmm. 358 00:19:58.297 --> 00:20:05.198 Just before we move on and look at the Ipswich game, as you mentioned, you were going to say a little word on Barry. 359 00:20:05.238 --> 00:20:09.439 There was another big chance in that game against Wolves where you maybe would have expected them to score. 360 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:13.180 Does it come to a point where we're saying it's unlucky too much? 361 00:20:17.521 --> 00:20:20.001 I suppose, yes, you do eventually. 362 00:20:20.962 --> 00:20:21.622 I always watch... 363 00:20:22.671 --> 00:20:42.789 teammates reactions around players you

know when you've got a player that you you think keeps frustrating you or letting you down and you put across i mean garn up or across into to barry last night and he headed it actually his contact was brilliant he rose brilliantly he headed it back across the goalkeeper um 364 00:20:44.991 --> 00:20:51.294 And it's an unbelievable save by ex-Everton goalkeeper, Joe Virginia, who played for Wolves last night. 365 00:20:52.334 --> 00:20:55.616 And I'm looking and he's done everything that he got taught to do. 366 00:20:55.876 --> 00:20:59.438 Back across the goalkeeper, keep it under the bar, good power, good timing. 367 00:21:00.778 --> 00:21:03.259 And he's had it saved. 368 00:21:03.339 --> 00:21:08.862 Whereas if you look at it in slow motion, the big gaps at the near post, you save four yards out that you've got to score. 369 00:21:10.779 --> 00:21:12.662 So I'm torn on that one. 370 00:21:13.082 --> 00:21:16.647 I'm frustrated for him because it's not like he's scuffed it or missed it. 371 00:21:16.687 --> 00:21:18.128 His contact is brilliant. 372 00:21:18.509 --> 00:21:25.057 But I'm looking at the players around him, just getting a little bit frustrated with him, which... 373 00:21:26.594 --> 00:21:29.537 But at the same time, they'll be delighted when he scores. 374 00:21:29.557 --> 00:21:32.660 When he puts one in, they'll back him 100%. 375 00:21:33.641 --> 00:21:35.984 I think we just need to get him off and running. 376 00:21:36.184 --> 00:21:37.946 But I thought that was a good game last night. 377 00:21:38.427 --> 00:21:38.987 I really did. 378 00:21:40.769 --> 00:21:42.030 I thought some people played well. 379 00:21:42.050 --> 00:21:43.993 I thought, how can he impresses me every time I see him? 380 00:21:44.153 --> 00:21:45.534 Just his busyness and his play. 381 00:21:45.554 --> 00:21:47.176 Yes, he gives the ball away here or there. 382 00:21:47.516 --> 00:21:47.837 But he'll... 383 00:21:48.397 --> 00:21:50.418 He'll keep improving as that goes. 384 00:21:50.978 --> 00:21:53.039 I thought Tyler Dibblen showed me a lot. 385 00:21:53.379 --> 00:21:54.959 And I've been desperate for him too. 386 00:21:54.979 --> 00:21:56.100 I've been dying for him too. 387 00:21:56.820 --> 00:21:58.601 And I thought he showed me a lot last night. 388 00:21:58.881 --> 00:22:03.843 Yes, some people will say it against the championship team in Wolves who, you know, they were Premier League last season. 389 00:22:03.863 --> 00:22:06.084 So let's not think they dropped too much. 390 00:22:07.144 --> 00:22:08.324 I thought he dropped the shoulder. 391 00:22:08.344 --> 00:22:09.245 I thought he was brave. 392 00:22:09.265 --> 00:22:10.405 I thought he went at his man. 393 00:22:10.425 --> 00:22:12.386 I thought his feet and his trickery were good. 394 00:22:12.406 --> 00:22:14.947 He got into the box decisively at times. 395 00:22:16.247 --> 00:22:21.549 I didn't think he gave it away an awful lot, even though I'm expecting him to, because that's the

style of player he is. 396 00:22:21.929 --> 00:22:23.510 It's through ball to Brennan Johnson. 397 00:22:23.550 --> 00:22:25.411 I think that's what you were talking about before, Tone. 398 00:22:25.731 --> 00:22:29.172 When he chopped inside and played it through to Brennan Johnson, it was outstanding. 399 00:22:29.633 --> 00:22:34.875 And the best thing about that, which I was screaming to my kids, because I was watching on telly, screaming to my kids, 400 00:22:35.855 --> 00:22:36.376 There it is. 401 00:22:36.636 --> 00:22:39.158 That's the thing that will get him in the team. 402 00:22:39.198 --> 00:22:40.399 He played that pass, right? 403 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:45.383 And within 20 seconds, he sprinted all the way back because they had a break. 404 00:22:45.864 --> 00:22:48.366 And he made a one-on-one tackle at the back. 405 00:22:48.706 --> 00:22:53.630 And that tells me he's not a tricky winger that's now admired his passing and then stood there. 406 00:22:53.710 --> 00:22:54.971 He's made that pass. 407 00:22:55.472 --> 00:23:02.518 And he still had the awareness to see what's around him, know that we're in a little bit of trouble, sprint back, show good pace, made a great tackle. 408 00:23:03.138 --> 00:23:09.823 and then got a pat on his back, the crowd loved, and that is the type of thing that will get him trusted by David Murray to get the first team. 409 00:23:09.903 --> 00:23:10.723 That's an Everton player. 410 00:23:10.743 --> 00:23:11.624 Just clapping my head off. 411 00:23:12.165 --> 00:23:13.125 That's an Everton player. 412 00:23:13.445 --> 00:23:18.329 You know, when that tackle, he was one-on-one, that guy, he was in on goal, it was just dibbling, caught him. 413 00:23:18.589 --> 00:23:25.914 He got through the two centre-halves, I don't know how he got through the two of them, but he did, and Tyron makes that tackle and I jumped up screaming. 414 00:23:26.715 --> 00:23:28.916 I celebrated that like it was a goal. 415 00:23:28.956 --> 00:23:32.039 That's exactly what I was in the ground last night and I just thought, wow, well done, lad. 416 00:23:32.619 --> 00:23:34.980 that's going to endear you more to the fans. 417 00:23:36.021 --> 00:23:55.070 Don't get me wrong, there was times where I'm looking at him and I worry about him because he seems to be, if he's in a world of his own, and he's just walking around, and I don't know, I hope he's not feeling sorry for himself, but he wasn't, he'd get on the ball, he wanted the ball, he's willing to go forward, he was brave at times. 418 00:23:55.090 --> 00:23:56.271 I just think, 419 00:23:57.193 --> 00:24:02.460 When you give it to a winger, the last thing you want to see a winger do is chop back and look to pass it back. 420 00:24:03.642 --> 00:24:07.547 But we've got to understand not every person's ill and men's job. 421 00:24:07.647 --> 00:24:12.173 And not every person's going to want to go get the ball and doesn't even look back and just go at you and attack you. 422

00:24:13.285 --> 00:24:20.708 I think Tyler Dibblington will be a player that he might be playing short, intricate passes and quick and fast one-twos to get in and behind. 423 00:24:20.728 --> 00:24:26.010 He's not necessarily going to outrun you and outpace you. 424 00:24:26.050 --> 00:24:30.211 He's going to beat you by being a bit smarter and being a bit cleverer on the ball. 425 00:24:30.231 --> 00:24:31.352 So it's a quick one-two. 426 00:24:31.832 --> 00:24:36.193 it's a quick shift and pass, or it's not going to be a knock and run pass, you know what I'm saying? 427 00:24:36.454 --> 00:24:42.515 Like, when Tyree George came on last night, it was a completely different set of skills, what he was using. 428 00:24:42.876 --> 00:24:44.096 He was just legging people. 429 00:24:44.396 --> 00:24:46.277 He was just absolutely leaving people for dead. 430 00:24:46.677 --> 00:24:49.198 And there's not, like, wolves, there was nothing they could do with them. 431 00:24:49.698 --> 00:24:51.958 He took on three, four men, putting crosses. 432 00:24:52.018 --> 00:24:54.859 The minute he came on, he had a massive impact, Tyree George. 433 00:24:55.860 --> 00:24:56.220 And he... 434 00:24:57.835 --> 00:25:06.997 I do think the more Tyler Dibblom plays and the more minutes he gets, I do think the more we'll see of, the less we'll see of the walking around or the strutting around. 435 00:25:07.417 --> 00:25:09.857 I just think it's his persona. 436 00:25:10.398 --> 00:25:17.039 And I think the less we'll see of it because he'll become more and more of an Everton player and more and more ultimately of a David Moyes player. 437 00:25:17.079 --> 00:25:20.580 That tackle epitomised everything Everton's about. 438 00:25:20.900 --> 00:25:22.520 You lose the ball, we get back. 439 00:25:23.290 --> 00:25:34.432 We've talked about him before in terms of if players that have that sort of demeanour about them, they're out of the socks down, that look like they never sprint, that kind of look like they don't care. 440 00:25:34.832 --> 00:25:39.793 When they play well, they look like the game is so easy and they're brilliant to watch and they look arrogant. 441 00:25:39.814 --> 00:25:46.275 Cole Palmer style, Van Dijk style, you know, when they play well, they look outstanding. 442 00:25:47.015 --> 00:25:49.937 and they look like somebody we all want to emulate and we all want to be. 443 00:25:50.477 --> 00:26:01.504 But when they don't play well and when the game's not going their way, you start to question how much they care and how much they're trying and how much they really, really want it, which is probably a bit unfair because they do. 444 00:26:01.564 --> 00:26:05.627 It's just their style makes you feel that they don't. 445 00:26:05.727 --> 00:26:08.869 So he's going to have that to contend with his whole career. 446 00:26:09.309 --> 00:26:13.772 But performances like last night, showing that he's prepared to drive around and run around and, 447 00:26:14.292 --> 00:26:19.395 hit tackles and get forward, do the horrible stuff, get back and all that. 448 00:26:20.136 --> 00:26:26.980 Definitely going to get him games of football because the more he gets trusted defensively and to be switched on, because the better. 449 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:28.682 Because I remember speaking to you all, 450 00:26:29.658 --> 00:26:31.238 In fact, I spoke about Tyler Dibbon before. 451 00:26:31.699 --> 00:26:36.420 One of the reasons he didn't play an awful lot was because of this exact game last year. 452 00:26:36.460 --> 00:26:48.103 Wolves away, it was though, in the Carabao Cup at this stage where Wolves scored that winning goal because Dibbon didn't really close anyone down and he was just sort of floating through the game and his mindset was a bit... 453 00:26:48.683 --> 00:26:51.125 Well, I haven't got the ball, so I'm obviously not taking part in the game. 454 00:26:51.785 --> 00:26:57.929 Whereas last night, it took a year, but last night showed that actually that year looks like he's learnt a lot. 455 00:26:58.069 --> 00:26:59.050 He's developed a lot. 456 00:26:59.150 --> 00:27:02.432 Training, mostly, you would expect, has brought a lot out of him. 457 00:27:02.472 --> 00:27:07.035 So, yeah, I'm really pleased for where he can get to now. 458 00:27:07.055 --> 00:27:14.460 And then you looked at, Tony just said as well, when Tariq George came on, how bright did we look and how energetic did we look on both sides? 459 00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:14.620 Yeah. 460 00:27:15.220 --> 00:27:17.161 You know, the youth of them both. 461 00:27:17.181 --> 00:27:22.243 Suddenly we've now, I mean, Jack composes the game and gives us things differently. 462 00:27:23.044 --> 00:27:29.107 But we were talking at the start of the season, if one of those two could step up, George or Diblin, how good would that be? 463 00:27:29.127 --> 00:27:29.907 What a future we'd have. 464 00:27:30.548 --> 00:27:31.948 Well, they both might now. 465 00:27:32.008 --> 00:27:39.172 Imagine where we can go with two young, very start of their careers, energetic, giving you different kind of things, players. 466 00:27:39.912 --> 00:27:40.913 Yeah, I enjoyed last night. 467 00:27:40.933 --> 00:27:41.153 I did. 468 00:27:42.393 --> 00:28:10.738 thought we'd have scored earlier yeah I would have been much nicer for me heart and for me grey hairs on my head that would have been far better what do we make out of Jack Grealish against Wolves because I thought he's really good he controls the game at times but I don't know it just when Tyree George comes on it's pace it's getting at you it's quick Jack's a different player but he penetrates you in a different way like he gets at you he gets at you once again with brains 469 00:28:12.184 --> 00:28:16.031 Yeah, well, Jack's not going to outpace anyone anymore, really. 470 00:28:16.512 --> 00:28:24.686 What he does, similar to himself or, say, Pienaar or, you know, just players I played with and related to, when

you're dribbling at someone, you dribble... 471 00:28:25.684 --> 00:28:26.645 in between the gaps. 472 00:28:26.925 --> 00:28:31.689 So you run close enough to another player that they don't think they can tackle you, but you're far enough away from your playing. 473 00:28:31.709 --> 00:28:35.913 You run in the spaces rather than actually get at somebody 1v1. 474 00:28:37.094 --> 00:28:40.417 Whereas Tyra George and Tyler Dibblom want to get at people 1v1. 475 00:28:40.697 --> 00:28:41.758 You want to leave them. 476 00:28:42.339 --> 00:28:43.380 You don't need to overlap them. 477 00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:45.502 You want to expose them 1v1 against their fullbacks. 478 00:28:46.002 --> 00:28:46.583 Whereas Jack, 479 00:28:47.490 --> 00:28:51.092 similar to Pienaar, similar to myself, similar to other players we've had down the years. 480 00:28:53.013 --> 00:28:54.414 We need runners. 481 00:28:54.914 --> 00:28:57.775 We've got good skill and we'll come inside, we can see a pass. 482 00:28:58.096 --> 00:28:59.336 Think about Jack's best moments. 483 00:28:59.416 --> 00:29:01.257 It's playing in a full-back. 484 00:29:01.277 --> 00:29:06.360 So Mikhellenko was, again, really good last night for his overlaps and being in the right place and Jack playing him in. 485 00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:08.121 But you think of Jack's best moments as well. 486 00:29:08.141 --> 00:29:15.505 It's usually cutting inside and having a juicer-holl run because Keenan's made a really good run for someone for Jack to pass to or a striker for him to pass to. 487 00:29:16.285 --> 00:29:19.587 So he's all dictated to by that really. 488 00:29:21.068 --> 00:29:22.809 But he's, he controls the game. 489 00:29:22.829 --> 00:29:24.110 He wins as far as when we need to. 490 00:29:24.130 --> 00:29:26.832 I think he's, I think he does play us a little bit slow at times. 491 00:29:26.892 --> 00:29:33.216 So I thought Boise was pretty good in his decision to actually, maybe it was, he's only got 60, 70 minutes in him. 492 00:29:33.236 --> 00:29:41.441 I don't know, but to bring him off because we needed to keep being relentless with our pace to wear them down, to batter them, to go again, go again, not slow the game down. 493 00:29:42.222 --> 00:29:42.402 Uh, 494 00:29:43.418 --> 00:29:47.522 But we definitely need him at the football club. 495 00:29:47.542 --> 00:29:49.423 Do you think he's not 100% Oz? 496 00:29:49.824 --> 00:29:52.806 Do you think he's not 100% I think he's trying to catch Matt's fitness? 497 00:29:53.727 --> 00:30:01.434 Yeah, he will be because he's been at City for the start of the pre-season in which I don't know how much, I don't think he's played an awful lot. 498 00:30:01.454 --> 00:30:04.436 Certainly not as much as we'd have played him in pre-season to get him up to his levels. 499 00:30:05.855 --> 00:30:11.398 So when I'm talking about behind closed doors games, Jack will be one of those that could do with it. 500 00:30:11.538 --> 00:30:15.520 Just to get him

up to that final 5% of sharpness. 501 00:30:16.001 --> 00:30:19.783 Because we all know what player he is when he is at that sharpness. 502 00:30:21.643 --> 00:30:23.825 Yeah, because we need him. 503 00:30:23.845 --> 00:30:26.486 We're playing with one and a half strikers. 504 00:30:26.506 --> 00:30:27.847 Yes, Brennan Johnson did okay. 505 00:30:28.487 --> 00:30:29.887 when you come on, he runs it different. 506 00:30:29.907 --> 00:30:32.268 I thought Tarek George might have come on up front. 507 00:30:33.289 --> 00:30:38.950 But the one I was, another person I was pleased for, as I'm sure everyone was, was Charlie Alcaraz coming on. 508 00:30:39.490 --> 00:30:40.171 Great goal. 509 00:30:40.691 --> 00:30:42.791 He's been starved of minutes. 510 00:30:43.132 --> 00:30:44.812 When he signed for us, he was our best player. 511 00:30:45.352 --> 00:30:49.894 Last season or season before, when we got him, he was our best player. 512 00:30:49.914 --> 00:30:51.734 He's got some crucial goals to help us stay up. 513 00:30:52.835 --> 00:30:52.975 And, 514 00:30:54.597 --> 00:31:00.147 hasn't been fancied by him most because I think he gives the ball away in silly places and he keeps making silly decisions. 515 00:31:00.228 --> 00:31:00.448 But... 516 00:31:01.575 --> 00:31:06.796 is the Sunderland away last season when he went through one-on-one and we didn't get a shot. 517 00:31:06.816 --> 00:31:08.337 You know, just popped into my head. 518 00:31:08.577 --> 00:31:10.418 Moments like that. 519 00:31:10.758 --> 00:31:12.778 But he's got real talent and real skill. 520 00:31:12.798 --> 00:31:17.920 And when we're seeing these Carabao Cup games, I'm thinking he would play in them minutes and he's still not. 521 00:31:18.080 --> 00:31:24.341 And yet to be coming on and be positive and come on and show energy, not coming on and be like, I'm going to show you. 522 00:31:24.702 --> 00:31:27.302 I'm going to score you and show you I should be in the team. 523 00:31:27.602 --> 00:31:28.823 Because it was a great touch and tear. 524 00:31:29.243 --> 00:31:29.743 Great finish. 525 00:31:31.637 --> 00:31:32.720 Who's our best eleven? 526 00:31:33.401 --> 00:31:34.423 What's our best eleven? 527 00:31:34.905 --> 00:31:36.909 Because I don't know. 528 00:31:37.851 --> 00:31:39.756 I'm pleased to say that I'm happy about that. 529 00:31:40.469 --> 00:31:42.970 I think that's a really good sign. 530 00:31:42.990 --> 00:31:45.590 I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I could pick me centre forward. 531 00:31:48.951 --> 00:31:49.491 Michael Keane. 532 00:31:50.111 --> 00:31:52.472 Well, we've only got one. 533 00:31:53.072 --> 00:31:53.972 So I'm good with that. 534 00:31:54.092 --> 00:31:56.913 And I'll tell you, I'll pick me goalkeeper because that was another thing about last night. 535 00:31:57.293 --> 00:31:59.954 We went with a strong team, but we kept Pickford. 536 00:32:00.074 --> 00:32:02.794 How often have you seen your number two goalkeeper coming in? 537 00:32:03.414 --> 00:32:08.516 And when we get to 65 minutes, they have to always make a save, goalkeepers. 538 00:32:08.536 --> 00:32:10.336 There's always going to be a save they have to make in a game. 539 00:32:11.116 --> 00:32:12.457 and he made that save. 540 00:32:12.697 --> 00:32:14.718 If we go 1-0 behind there, we're not winning that game. 541 00:32:14.738 --> 00:32:15.178 We're out the cup. 542 00:32:15.798 --> 00:32:17.039 And he was there in that moment. 543 00:32:17.059 --> 00:32:19.200 And that's why you play him in that game. 544 00:32:19.220 --> 00:32:19.900 But anyway, sorry. 545 00:32:20.420 --> 00:32:20.940 Go on. 546 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:22.281 He's a saviour, mate. 547 00:32:22.301 --> 00:32:26.083 But no, I always want to ask you, to be honest, I mean, I just... 548 00:32:27.163 --> 00:32:30.624 I think I know most about, well, I know the back, we obviously, we know the back four. 549 00:32:30.864 --> 00:32:33.064 When everyone's fit and everyone's firing, I think we know. 550 00:32:33.344 --> 00:32:37.665 But I don't know the exact from midfield, from the midfield. 551 00:32:37.685 --> 00:32:39.266 I don't know what we're starting. 552 00:32:39.286 --> 00:32:40.426 I don't know the shape we're starting. 553 00:32:40.806 --> 00:32:45.127 Because there's such a good variety of players who can do various jobs in various positions. 554 00:32:45.587 --> 00:32:49.768 And I think it just, a big part of it comes down to, I think, who we're actually playing. 555 00:32:50.668 --> 00:32:51.989 That's what I think I'm massive about. 556 00:32:52.249 --> 00:32:53.810 And that's what I'm happy about. 557 00:32:53.830 --> 00:32:56.372 David Moyes has got options in the midfield. 558 00:32:57.072 --> 00:33:04.297 I think we've got, we know the defence, you know, we know, we know, you're a captain for the reasons, Archie, so you know you're starting every week. 559 00:33:04.777 --> 00:33:08.340 Gerard Brantwaite, if he's fit every week, you'd assume he's starting. 560 00:33:08.820 --> 00:33:12.062 Maitland-Niles, obviously Michaelenko on the left, Jordan in goal. 561 00:33:12.442 --> 00:33:16.065 But when it comes to midfield, he obviously likes to hold the midfielders. 562 00:33:16.085 --> 00:33:19.207 Well, not necessarily hold them, but to that kind of sit. 563 00:33:20.150 --> 00:33:23.913 And then this is where I start going, well, Jimmy Garner has to play every week as a sitting. 564 00:33:24.493 --> 00:33:28.697 And I would think the new boy who's come in is going to be playing with him. 565 00:33:28.717 --> 00:33:34.081 But Hackney, because I think he's a really good footballer, but then where do you fit in the others? 566 00:33:34.141 --> 00:33:37.043 It's a proper puzzle, but it is what it is. 567 00:33:37.083 --> 00:33:39.025 Look, it's exactly what you want. 568 00:33:39.245 --> 00:33:43.088 Now, when you've got 11 players, 569 00:33:44.308 --> 00:34:06.377 that you know is when you know you're starting team and you've got 11

players and you play them every week once you get an injury and you're bringing someone else in you're lowering the standard of the team whereas if you've now got a start in 15 16 I mean they're saying 18 they say you've got a squad of 18 and they could all be starters yeah I wouldn't come too far away from that maybe I'd say 15 570 00:34:07.869 --> 00:34:12.093 maybe 16, 15, that you know you can rotate. 571 00:34:12.113 --> 00:34:15.937 You think about, I'm not comparing us to Man City under Pep, but I'm saying think about Pep. 572 00:34:16.477 --> 00:34:26.047 Pep didn't have a best start in 11 ever, I don't think, because at any point nobody was surprised by the 11 he picked because he may have put... 573 00:34:26.952 --> 00:34:47.019 De Silva in there and De Bruyne in there or he may have put Gundogan or he may have put because he considered he had team of all starters and if we have that brilliantly because you need competition you need to people the players need to know that it's competitive that we need to be able to make subs and us not get any worse that's one of the reasons and it 574 00:34:48.279 --> 00:34:54.584 If everybody's up to speed and everybody's fit, which I thought last night was a great moment to kind of show that. 575 00:34:54.644 --> 00:34:56.645 Diblin's basically said, put me on, coach. 576 00:34:56.845 --> 00:34:59.947 Next time we need a goal or next time you need a bit of inspiration, I'm ready. 577 00:34:59.987 --> 00:35:00.988 I'll do all the defensive. 578 00:35:01.328 --> 00:35:02.810 Tyreek George has already showed that. 579 00:35:03.150 --> 00:35:06.132 Brennan Johnson showed that he can give us a little bit up front now. 580 00:35:06.212 --> 00:35:09.554 So suddenly, Charlie Alcaraz is coming on and scoring goals. 581 00:35:09.734 --> 00:35:12.797 We've always loved the midfield four that we've got. 582 00:35:12.837 --> 00:35:14.038 We could play at any moment. 583 00:35:14.118 --> 00:35:14.578 You've got... 584 00:35:15.538 --> 00:35:39.088 Hackney Harrison Armstrong who's done brilliant to propel himself forward Jimmy Garner who we all want to play but probably needs to just sharpen up a last touch because of that pre-season he missed and Keaton if any of three of those four start in the midfield we're not batting an eyelid and I love that about us now so just the main thing is for us to stay fifth we need to because of the limitations of our squad we need them all to stay fifth 585 00:35:39.850 --> 00:35:49.219 Oz, when you were playing, and you think about how many of us was using the midfield area where you just go, right, it could be me, this could be, did you have a set team? 586 00:35:49.860 --> 00:35:50.921 It was only ever me, mate. 587 00:35:51.362 --> 00:35:52.082 Just me. 588 00:35:52.122 --> 00:35:53.744 Whoever was next to me. 589 00:35:54.845 --> 00:35:58.028 No, but you've been, you've been having some brilliant midfielders in the round. 590 00:35:58.048 --> 00:36:01.292 You've got guys Barry obviously gave over various others, but... 591 00:36:02.237 --> 00:36:08.479 When you're saying that as a player, are you saying, oh, it might be me this week, it might not, but how's that going to work? 592 00:36:08.499 --> 00:36:13.220 So them lads, the gaffer names his team, does he name his team on the Friday, does he name his team on the Saturday morning? 593 00:36:13.861 --> 00:36:16.761 You know, do you know you're playing every week? 594 00:36:17.262 --> 00:36:18.202 That's what I'm trying to get at. 595 00:36:18.622 --> 00:36:21.163 I liked to find a team out on a Friday. 596 00:36:21.443 --> 00:36:30.846 And even if I got to a point where I was quite confident that I was going to be, I was having a run in the team and I was playing most of the games, I was still always nervous on a Friday. 597 00:36:31.586 --> 00:36:34.987 because I was never sort of completely assured. 598 00:36:35.007 --> 00:36:36.648 That's how I felt. 599 00:36:37.408 --> 00:36:39.109 Yeah, I never felt there was a guarantee. 600 00:36:39.329 --> 00:36:42.030 No, I always might make changes. 601 00:36:42.110 --> 00:36:46.832 But even when I was senior and I was in that position, I never sort of let myself. 602 00:36:47.652 --> 00:36:51.293 excuse me, let myself feel like I was a guarantee. 603 00:36:51.333 --> 00:37:01.977 But especially if you're in a position we were at a time, for instance, when there were times when Simon Davis came in, suddenly I'm having to compete for my position. 604 00:37:02.277 --> 00:37:08.080 When Mikel came in and then Steven Pienaar came in, suddenly you're competing for your position and you're moving across. 605 00:37:08.160 --> 00:37:16.703 And, you know, Mikel and Steven competed at one point and whoever won the battle out of them two, whoever came on was definitely not making us worse. 606 00:37:17.543 --> 00:37:34.217 you know there was I think we've we've been at our best when we've kind of had players that have had a run in the team when we're kind of settled but we've got a a 14 I think if you've got three subs especially back in the day when you could only have three subs if you've got 607 00:37:34.978 --> 00:38:00.165 three subs that you know actually don't hurt the team but they just give you a little bit something different they give you a little bit of you know maybe an extra striker he'll give you the way he holds the ball up well or you know you've got a winger that's pacey rather than one that comes inside but they could start at any time I think they're the best teams that they're best squads to be involved in and although we are lacking still in some positions I'm honestly seeing us 608 00:38:01.453 --> 00:38:07.538 I'm seeing the building blocks at Everson at the minute of us starting to put a squad together. 609 00:38:08.078 --> 00:38:10.380 So come on then, pick me the midfielder who starts. 610 00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:12.882 I'm still not prepared to pick you at a starting 11th. 611 00:38:13.082 -->

00:38:13.402 I'm not. 612 00:38:14.764 --> 00:38:18.266 I'm not because as you said, as you said, it depends who we're playing against. 613 00:38:18.747 --> 00:38:28.775 Because if you're playing against a full-back, let's just say on the left-hand side, I'm trying to think of one at the top of my head, but let's say a Calafiore who... 614 00:38:29.415 --> 00:38:38.882 who's, let's say, good 1v1, good pace, loves it when he's up against a full-back 1v1 who goes on the outside and has got a lot of pace. 615 00:38:38.942 --> 00:38:42.025 And I'm thinking, oof, Brennan Johnson, that's Brennan Johnson, I'm not sure. 616 00:38:42.305 --> 00:38:45.707 So all Brennan Johnson's strengths on that right-hand side, Calafiore's good at. 617 00:38:45.908 --> 00:38:47.449 What does Calafiore hate, for instance? 618 00:38:47.609 --> 00:38:52.473 Oh, he hates somebody playing in the pocket and he hates someone coming in onto the left foot and he hates somebody who's got close control. 619 00:38:52.493 --> 00:38:55.495 Then you're going, right, that's a game for Dibble and he'll give him a right goal there. 620 00:38:56.035 --> 00:38:56.275 So... 621 00:38:57.156 --> 00:38:59.418 So I think your team has to be detated to. 622 00:39:00.138 --> 00:39:13.507 Yeah, but only if your team is all fit and your team's raring to go and your team's up to a certain fitness, which after this game and Wednesday, you'd say, look, poof, those players that came in showed me they're thereabouts, to be honest. 623 00:39:13.527 --> 00:39:16.268 So especially, look, Garner's had another game. 624 00:39:16.448 --> 00:39:17.629 Hackney's always looked sharp. 625 00:39:17.669 --> 00:39:19.170 Harrison Armstrong had the night off. 626 00:39:19.510 --> 00:39:20.191 Dewsbury Hall. 627 00:39:21.652 --> 00:39:23.834 is going to start more often than not. 628 00:39:24.614 --> 00:39:33.040 So, yeah, I think we've... As I say, I think we've got the potential to put a good quality squad together. 629 00:39:33.540 --> 00:39:34.961 Might have found the gem in that Hackney. 630 00:39:35.522 --> 00:39:42.307 I think being brave on the ball, wanting to go forward all the time, not so much sideways, more forward, looks a player. 631 00:39:43.948 --> 00:39:45.209 Yeah, he certainly does. 632 00:39:46.189 --> 00:39:47.130 Are we happy with the draw? 633 00:39:47.290 --> 00:39:48.391 Newcastle, next round? 634 00:39:49.472 --> 00:39:49.832 At home? 635 00:39:52.004 --> 00:39:52.284 Tom? 636 00:39:54.345 --> 00:39:55.385 Eh, could have been a bit. 637 00:39:55.405 --> 00:39:59.626 I mean, you know, we all know we wanted Fleetwood, let's not be honest, let's not tell lies. 638 00:39:59.646 --> 00:40:01.047 I think Arsenal, did Arsenal get them? 639 00:40:01.347 --> 00:40:03.188 Of course they did, of course they did. 640 00:40:03.208 --> 00:40:05.028 Of course they did every time. 641 00:40:05.068 --> 00:40:11.190 I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm just happy we didn't get the shite because I just didn't want to see us play them just yet. 642 00:40:11.430 --> 00:40:12.431 I'm not ready for that yet. 643 00:40:12.531 --> 00:40:16.292 I'm not ready for me levels of anxiety to go to that kind of mark. 644 00:40:16.992 --> 00:40:19.153 And I don't need to be thinking about strangling Scousers. 645 00:40:20.874 --> 00:40:49.410 but yeah but they got Chelsea so hopefully they go out I wouldn't wish that on them I don't wish that on anyone you know made the best team win but I just don't want to see us play you don't wish Liverpool to go out the cup that made me sick it's not the fact that made me feel sick no because what will happen is I wish that and then they end up winning it mate just don't say nothing about them just leave them alone just let them be just leave them in the corner the manager's doing great wonderful have a great just keep doing what you're doing 646 00:40:49.990 --> 00:41:11.545 you're out my peripheral vision i'm not interested so yeah uh but i don't know it's just yeah newcastle are home you know it's one they're going through a bit of change aren't they and will their manager think about you know my back schemes to wall here if i if i really target a cup that's going to get me a bit of a pass 647 00:41:12.695 --> 00:41:40.927 because if I was a manager new manager in the league I would think to myself well I'm not going to be doing super great in the league this year but if I have a really good cup run that can kind of save me and it will save anyone whichever manager wins a cup this year I think that it's going to not all managers obviously but it could guarantee safety for a manager listen if Everton win a cup this season that is huge absolutely huge and any of the new managers coming in they win a cup it keeps them in a job I think 648 00:41:42.005 --> 00:41:54.690 whether that's Iriola whether that's Alonso whether that's I just think it keeps them in a job unless obviously something stupid happens like what Wigan done where they win a cup and they go down obviously that's just not happening but 649 00:41:55.374 --> 00:41:59.257 You know, I think the Cup could be a saviour for the number of teams this year. 650 00:41:59.637 --> 00:42:02.979 One thing I'm happy about is the Gaffers putting out a strong team every time we play in it. 651 00:42:03.099 --> 00:42:04.680 That's the most important thing for me. 652 00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:07.482 And it tells us, as the fans, I'm after this. 653 00:42:07.582 --> 00:42:08.042 I'm after it. 654 00:42:08.163 --> 00:42:08.503 I want it. 655 00:42:09.263 --> 00:42:10.324 And that's just brilliant. 656 00:42:10.344 --> 00:42:11.265 I'm over the moon about it. 657 00:42:12.025 --> 00:42:19.027 I think he put a strong team... Well, if you go and have a look at the team that got knocked out last year against Wolves away, that was a strong team, you know. 658 00:42:19.767 --> 00:42:21.808 So he has been trying to do that for a little bit. 659 00:42:21.828 --> 00:42:24.989 He has known the importance,

even more so since he came back to the club. 660 00:42:25.529 --> 00:42:30.691 But if we are going to win a cup, you're going to have to beat some big teams, some Premier League teams along the way. 661 00:42:30.711 --> 00:42:32.611 You're going to have to win games. 662 00:42:32.752 --> 00:42:32.932 Yeah. 663 00:42:34.832 --> 00:42:36.774 that are close and could go either way. 664 00:42:37.414 --> 00:42:40.957 And the main thing you talk about is we got a home draw. 665 00:42:41.258 --> 00:42:41.678 Brilliant. 666 00:42:42.298 --> 00:42:50.045 Would we have liked to have had, say, Fleetwood at home, or I think Peterborough is still in there, or Bristol Norwich I think is still in there at the minute, although they might have a tie to play. 667 00:42:50.965 --> 00:42:52.086 Would you want one of them at home? 668 00:42:52.126 --> 00:42:52.667 Absolutely. 669 00:42:52.687 --> 00:42:55.849 You'd want a team from a lower division, if you can get it. 670 00:42:55.990 --> 00:42:56.290 But... 671 00:42:57.494 --> 00:43:02.736 I'd rather have Newcastle at home than Arsenal away, for instance. 672 00:43:02.756 --> 00:43:04.657 So you take the rough with the smooth. 673 00:43:04.677 --> 00:43:06.998 You take it as, this is a winnable game for us. 674 00:43:07.538 --> 00:43:11.720 It'll get us into, if we win this, you're in the quarterfinals of the Carabao Cup. 675 00:43:11.740 --> 00:43:13.241 Now, I'm not going ahead of myself because... 676 00:43:14.153 --> 00:43:15.714 We've done that far too many times. 677 00:43:15.734 --> 00:43:25.278 And every time we get ahead of ourselves and start imagining the quarterfinals and the semifinals or where we're going, we forget to actually win the game and we get knocked out. 678 00:43:25.579 --> 00:43:34.583 So I'm not getting ahead, but I'm saying when our draw came out, Everton at home against not one of the top four teams supposed in the country. 679 00:43:35.163 --> 00:43:36.064 Yeah, we'll take that. 680 00:43:36.164 --> 00:43:42.587 And add to it, Newcastle just got turned over massively at Leeds because Leeds played a really high sort of energetic game 681 00:43:43.407 --> 00:43:47.009 So yeah, away from home, Newcastle are there to be sort of got at. 682 00:43:47.169 --> 00:43:49.029 So yeah, happy enough. 683 00:43:49.129 --> 00:43:56.292 As a player, would you rather have a team slightly better at home or a team slightly lesser away as a player? 684 00:43:56.312 --> 00:44:02.975 So let's just say, for instance, based on last season's performances, would you rather play Newcastle at home or Brighton away? 685 00:44:04.987 --> 00:44:14.740 I'd rather have I'd rather have Newcastle at home I'd rather Against Against any other Against any Premier League team Any other team from the same league I'd rather be at home 686 00:44:15.716 --> 00:44:21.679 all day long, not least because of the, you know, the fans get to watch the home advantage, the noise we can make. 687 00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:28.262 It can be difficult when you're going into a game where expectation is weighing heavily to win. 688 00:44:28.302 --> 00:44:36.126 And if we're not winning after an hour, you can feel that the nervousness coming in from the, from the fans, which obviously we're feeling on the pitch. 689 00:44:36.146 --> 00:44:40.408 You don't need it to be amplified, but I always understand it. 690 00:44:40.428 --> 00:44:41.188 I'm a fan as well. 691 00:44:42.029 --> 00:44:42.169 Um, 692 00:44:43.340 --> 00:44:45.782 So you'd always choose a team from your own division at home. 693 00:44:45.902 --> 00:44:50.445 However, I used to love going away from home to the lower division teams. 694 00:44:50.685 --> 00:44:51.866 I used to love it. 695 00:44:51.966 --> 00:44:54.288 The atmospheres were really good and exciting. 696 00:44:54.628 --> 00:44:55.629 We knew we were better. 697 00:44:56.690 --> 00:44:59.612 If you just played your game and you were calm and composed and took the ball... 698 00:45:00.273 --> 00:45:02.914 You were more than likely going to win if you did your jobs. 699 00:45:03.074 --> 00:45:04.935 So I used to love those fixtures. 700 00:45:06.736 --> 00:45:07.656 FA Cup especially. 701 00:45:08.137 --> 00:45:09.757 Three o'clock in the afternoons. 702 00:45:09.797 --> 00:45:11.078 They were brilliant, brilliant games. 703 00:45:11.818 --> 00:45:13.919 But yeah, I think I'd take one at home. 704 00:45:14.980 --> 00:45:17.641 Which we've got, so fingers crossed. 705 00:45:17.861 --> 00:45:21.283 One team that didn't take advantage of their home draw was Man United. 706 00:45:21.403 --> 00:45:23.564 Went out to Brighton and they also didn't in the derby. 707 00:45:24.704 --> 00:45:26.885 He's under pressure, isn't he? 708 00:45:27.485 --> 00:45:28.206 He is, isn't he? 709 00:45:29.062 --> 00:45:31.164 He's got a fine up slip behind them, mate. 710 00:45:31.184 --> 00:45:31.805 He's in trouble. 711 00:45:32.626 --> 00:45:34.348 What did you think about the Foden incident? 712 00:45:34.928 --> 00:45:36.991 I want him to succeed, Michael Carrick. 713 00:45:37.031 --> 00:45:38.813 I really do. 714 00:45:39.433 --> 00:45:40.735 Yeah, so it's been tough. 715 00:45:40.755 --> 00:45:43.498 The Foden incident annoyed the life out of me. 716 00:45:44.708 --> 00:45:46.890 I think they either both stay on or they both go. 717 00:45:46.950 --> 00:45:52.156 Foden sort of pushes him with his shin rather than a two-footed studs. 718 00:45:52.216 --> 00:45:55.500 His studs never make contact with Bruno Fernandes. 719 00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:56.441 He just sort of... 720 00:45:56.481 --> 00:45:59.524 I was trying to say, talking to my kids about it, if... 721 00:46:00.405 --> 00:46:04.529 Foden would have ended up on his knees with his hands in the air and pushed him away with his hands. 722 00:46:05.109 --> 00:46:06.590 It wouldn't have been considered a red card. 723 00:46:06.630 --> 00:46:11.154 He ends up on his back, so he pushes him away with his legs after being booted up

the backside. 724 00:46:11.795 --> 00:46:13.136 And that's considered a sending off. 725 00:46:13.176 --> 00:46:15.398 Bruno played the part, didn't he? 726 00:46:15.498 --> 00:46:18.580 Played the part of him, kicking somebody and then rolling around on the floor. 727 00:46:19.521 --> 00:46:22.624 But if anything, Bruno's was the more aggressive act. 728 00:46:24.272 --> 00:46:33.845 The problem is, in the Premier League, if you take them in isolation, Bruno's is probably a yellow and Foden's is probably a red that we've all come to sort of understand. 729 00:46:33.926 --> 00:46:35.988 But I just think that... 730 00:46:36.569 --> 00:46:37.410 I think the referee's... 731 00:46:38.805 --> 00:46:46.590 need to figure out a way, oh, it would be better if they can ref each game individually and be like, look, to Derby, they've both gone at each other, walk it off. 732 00:46:46.610 --> 00:46:52.114 Where the referees are so much under the law and so every decision is scrutinised. 733 00:46:52.154 --> 00:46:58.218 And if that isn't a red card, then the media and everybody are going, well, why isn't it compared to this, compared to this, compared to this? 734 00:46:58.758 --> 00:47:04.222 So the referees are having to ref each sort of decision over the course of a season rather than, 735 00:47:04.962 --> 00:47:10.850 old school refs being able to referee individual games in individual moments and say, shake hands, run it off, get on with it. 736 00:47:11.070 --> 00:47:11.991 They're not allowed to do that anymore. 737 00:47:12.732 --> 00:47:14.734 I'm trying to look at it because I haven't actually seen it. 738 00:47:14.915 --> 00:47:15.696 I'm trying to look at it. 739 00:47:15.796 --> 00:47:16.477 Have you not seen it? 740 00:47:16.877 --> 00:47:17.518 No. 741 00:47:18.439 --> 00:47:20.341 I'd quite like to hear your opinion on it to be fair. 742 00:47:21.298 --> 00:47:22.418 Trying to look at it. 743 00:47:22.458 --> 00:47:24.159 One of those, like the game's gone kind of moments. 744 00:47:24.459 --> 00:47:26.920 All of the deals have been took off X. 745 00:47:28.281 --> 00:47:29.661 So I can't actually see. 746 00:47:29.881 --> 00:47:33.863 There's a little plug for an online streaming service. 747 00:47:34.683 --> 00:47:37.304 I mean, it's just Twitter Aussie, you silly boy. 748 00:47:38.584 --> 00:47:38.905 I know. 749 00:47:41.366 --> 00:47:47.231 I was basically saying you were advertising an online service. 750 00:47:47.331 --> 00:47:50.433 Yeah, well, we'll ask Elon Musk if he wants to sponsor the pod. 751 00:47:50.954 --> 00:47:53.856 You were the one who took that into a place that didn't need to be there, Tom. 752 00:47:54.136 --> 00:47:55.117 Oh, we are. 753 00:47:55.998 --> 00:47:56.959 So he's kicked out. 754 00:47:59.921 --> 00:48:00.802 Do you think it's a kick-out? 755 00:48:04.174 --> 00:48:25.386 that's just silly boy silly boy well yeah put it in stills but I tell you what it looks like a kick out on the still but I don't I haven't seen it in real time so I can't really comment I could throw a good punch on a still in real life that wouldn't be a good punch even on a still you couldn't touch but on a still it would you're kidding no one may not be good yeah 756 00:48:26.398 --> 00:48:27.419 You couldn't fight sleep, Oz. 757 00:48:27.439 --> 00:48:28.759 Just behave yourself and be a whole. 758 00:48:28.939 --> 00:48:31.601 I'm fighting it all by myself at the minute. 759 00:48:31.801 --> 00:48:32.681 Furious at myself. 760 00:48:33.382 --> 00:48:34.342 Anyway. 761 00:48:34.362 --> 00:48:37.284 So, yeah, I didn't see it, so I can't really comment on that one, you know. 762 00:48:37.584 --> 00:48:42.466 And the VAR decision, Oz, is... What's your thoughts on that? 763 00:48:42.486 --> 00:48:43.327 Yeah, I've seen that. 764 00:48:43.347 --> 00:48:43.867 Bit of a mess. 765 00:48:45.268 --> 00:48:45.488 Um... 766 00:48:46.827 --> 00:48:48.649 To be fair, Harlan looked off... 767 00:48:48.890 --> 00:48:51.973 The initial incident, Harlan looked offside, didn't he? 768 00:48:52.153 --> 00:48:53.174 It's a mile off. 769 00:48:53.494 --> 00:48:54.636 I thought he looked offside. 770 00:48:55.056 --> 00:49:00.922 But actually, when they do the cameras and the lines, Harlan's inches on, or centimetres onside... 771 00:49:01.663 --> 00:49:06.488 So they got that wrong, but you have to notice that Enzo's taken part in the game, don't you? 772 00:49:06.508 --> 00:49:12.854 You have to realize that someone doing a diving header on the six-yard line is influencing the goalkeeper. 773 00:49:12.874 --> 00:49:14.776 They're in the center half. 774 00:49:15.697 --> 00:49:18.560 Yeah, so the goal shouldn't have stood. 775 00:49:18.580 --> 00:49:21.062 Do you think it's unacceptable that these mistakes are still happening? 776 00:49:21.082 --> 00:49:21.863 What a finish, though. 777 00:49:22.303 --> 00:49:23.364 Yeah, it was to be fair. 778 00:49:23.464 --> 00:49:26.406 Of course, look, we're humans. 779 00:49:26.726 --> 00:49:27.987 There's going to be human error. 780 00:49:28.087 --> 00:49:30.569 You say, is it acceptable that mistakes still happen? 781 00:49:31.209 --> 00:49:34.291 You say, well, why isn't every team that plays football perfect? 782 00:49:34.311 --> 00:49:35.913 Why do people make mistakes? 783 00:49:36.073 --> 00:49:38.354 Everybody in life makes mistakes. 784 00:49:38.414 --> 00:49:40.276 It's what we call human error, right? 785 00:49:40.376 --> 00:49:44.298 We hope it doesn't happen at the highest level, and we hope it doesn't happen in the big incidents. 786 00:49:44.999 --> 00:49:46.980 But every now and again, it will. 787 00:49:47.460 --> 00:49:49.202 There's nothing we can do about it. 788 00:49:49.442 --> 00:49:50.583 It's just part of... 789 00:49:51.600 --> 00:50:15.674 part of the game Man City fans are saying that it's retribution for the Bruno Fernandes and Marcus Rashford goal that were scored about three years back when one of them was offside and I

think it was Rashford that was offside and ended up leaving it but he was definitely involved it was quite a similar incident if you want to look that one up on your on your ex Tony you might you might get still images of that we can wait five minutes yeah 790 00:50:21.897 --> 00:50:23.337 I'm just sick of B.A.R. 791 00:50:23.418 --> 00:50:26.319 and all the nonsense and the stupidness around me. 792 00:50:27.139 --> 00:50:27.839 It's just a joke. 793 00:50:28.860 --> 00:50:29.740 It's not going anywhere. 794 00:50:30.140 --> 00:50:31.501 I don't mind it for the majority. 795 00:50:31.961 --> 00:50:34.742 If it's not clear and obvious, just butt out. 796 00:50:34.862 --> 00:50:36.103 Just piss off. 797 00:50:36.203 --> 00:50:41.805 I will say that I think they've hardly joined in this year. 798 00:50:42.968 --> 00:50:43.929 I don't think they've joined him. 799 00:50:43.970 --> 00:50:45.091 The only good thing is... 800 00:50:45.131 --> 00:50:46.493 I think they've tried to let the game go. 801 00:50:46.513 --> 00:50:49.378 How many times do you think that they've stopped the game and brought it back, I would say? 802 00:50:49.658 --> 00:50:50.540 The only good thing is... 803 00:50:50.560 --> 00:50:51.902 It must be well down on last year. 804 00:50:52.142 --> 00:50:57.130 The best thing about it at the minute is that you pointed this out to the World Cup 805 00:50:58.458 --> 00:50:59.139 Excuse me. 806 00:50:59.799 --> 00:51:03.003 You point this out in the World Cup, the fact that referees are allowing games to be played on more. 807 00:51:03.743 --> 00:51:06.026 Telling players to get up off the floor and they're jumping on the floor. 808 00:51:06.046 --> 00:51:10.770 It happened last night in a few of our players, players going down easy and getting told to get up. 809 00:51:10.850 --> 00:51:11.231 I loved it. 810 00:51:11.451 --> 00:51:12.392 Those are brilliant. 811 00:51:12.632 --> 00:51:13.333 Don't get me wrong. 812 00:51:13.413 --> 00:51:15.435 Screaming for fouls and abusing the referee as well. 813 00:51:15.935 --> 00:51:18.756 because he's not given certain Everton players who jump on the floor a foul. 814 00:51:19.316 --> 00:51:22.477 If an Everton player jumps on the floor, just understand, referees, it is a foul. 815 00:51:22.757 --> 00:51:24.257 Everton don't jump on the floor. 816 00:51:24.477 --> 00:51:26.278 We've been thrown on the floor, we've been fouled. 817 00:51:26.578 --> 00:51:28.938 But if anybody else jumps on the floor, yeah, they've just jumped on the floor. 818 00:51:29.398 --> 00:51:33.099 And we have to understand that and we have to put that out there right away. 819 00:51:33.779 --> 00:51:35.360 But I am enjoying... 820 00:51:36.180 --> 00:51:42.202 Things like that being players being told, you know, you're not getting a free kick for that. 821 00:51:42.522 --> 00:51:49.924 And what's sad about it is it's took this long to kick in because it's quite clear and obvious when you see some players running into the box. 822 00:51:49.964 --> 00:51:53.044 The players run into the box and there's four or five players in front of them. 823 00:51:53.304 --> 00:51:54.865 He knows he's not getting through them. 824 00:51:55.545 --> 00:51:59.846 So what he does is he knocks the ball into the legs and then he just runs into the legs and jumps into them. 825 00:52:00.967 --> 00:52:02.587 And you see it on numerous occasions. 826 00:52:02.627 --> 00:52:06.889 I feel like this season now, for the first time, referees just going, not having that, mate. 827 00:52:07.369 --> 00:52:09.009 No, just not having it. 828 00:52:09.269 --> 00:52:12.610 Whereas last season or two seasons before, that's a penalty every time. 829 00:52:13.331 --> 00:52:14.471 Or that's a free kick every time. 830 00:52:14.711 --> 00:52:17.272 Because one player who's on the ball runs into another player. 831 00:52:17.692 --> 00:52:20.633 Deliberately, by the way, because he's on the ball, he thinks he can just run into that player. 832 00:52:21.507 --> 00:52:26.062 So I think the game's getting better for her. 833 00:52:28.305 --> 00:52:30.065 Yeah, no, it has got better. 834 00:52:31.666 --> 00:52:37.127 Lastly, Ipswich, they've won two Premier League games since they've came up. 835 00:52:37.147 --> 00:52:38.907 They beat Sunderland, they beat Crystal Palace. 836 00:52:39.327 --> 00:52:40.688 Yeah, they're getting a hiding on Saturday. 837 00:52:41.368 --> 00:52:41.708 You think? 838 00:52:42.128 --> 00:52:43.008 Yeah, they're getting a hiding. 839 00:52:43.128 --> 00:52:43.988 They're getting a good hiding. 840 00:52:44.008 --> 00:52:45.288 Don't say it too early, Tony. 841 00:52:45.308 --> 00:52:46.429 Yeah, they're getting a hiding, mate. 842 00:52:46.449 --> 00:52:48.509 We're emitorians, don't say it too early. 843 00:52:48.789 --> 00:52:52.110 I can feel it mid-bones, they're getting a good hiding. 844 00:52:52.710 --> 00:52:56.411 Someone needs to feel TNL Barry's rage, and I think it's going to be a touch. 845 00:52:56.831 --> 00:52:57.011 Yeah. 846 00:52:58.111 --> 00:53:04.677 Funny because we've been saying it a few times, we said that against Spurs, if we win that game, then suddenly our season looks great. 847 00:53:04.737 --> 00:53:10.242 And we've said it in the game before, if we win this game or don't lose this game, suddenly the season looks like we started well. 848 00:53:10.282 --> 00:53:18.610 But I think you just mentioned Liam, with six games unbeaten at the minute, we've got, so that'll be six points. 849 00:53:20.350 --> 00:53:21.431 That's a decent start. 850 00:53:22.192 --> 00:53:28.059 But if you lose at home to Ipswich, just before the thing, suddenly you're going, that's this point. 851 00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:29.201 And we win this game. 852 00:53:29.241 --> 00:53:31.744 Come on, you're killing me now, mate. 853 00:53:31.764 --> 00:53:32.244 Stop it. 854 00:53:32.304 --> 00:53:39.072 I'm saying it's a defining game in terms of if we win this game, we've had a

brilliant start to the season. 855 00:53:39.112 --> 00:53:40.294 When we win this game, 856 00:53:40.794 --> 00:53:42.716 Yeah, look, I'm on board. 857 00:53:43.136 --> 00:53:44.117 I'm at the game. 858 00:53:44.297 --> 00:53:49.121 I'll be, well, I was going to say I'll be cheering as much as anyone, but I'm doing the commentary for it. 859 00:53:49.161 --> 00:53:53.784 So I'll be trying to cheer as much as anybody. 860 00:53:54.605 --> 00:53:56.667 So I'm looking forward to it and Everton should win the game. 861 00:53:57.287 --> 00:53:57.648 But... 862 00:53:58.328 --> 00:54:17.780 when we win the game Ipswich have Ipswich have gone to Palace and won they've they went to United and went 1-0 up and should have actually been 2-0 up they've they've they won their opening game against they've competed 2-1 we need to be we need to be weary of that we need to be aware of it I still think we've got more than enough to win the game 863 00:54:19.407 --> 00:54:21.568 But I'll bring us back to the history. 864 00:54:21.608 --> 00:54:24.448 We've got to go and beat ourselves as much as anything. 865 00:54:24.548 --> 00:54:28.649 We've got to go and we've got to beat ourselves in this game before we can beat them. 866 00:54:29.470 --> 00:54:31.510 And hopefully we'll all be behind them. 867 00:54:31.710 --> 00:54:35.711 Hopefully we'll be supporting, cheering, even if things go a little bit against us. 868 00:54:36.851 --> 00:54:40.152 We'll be right behind the team because this could be a huge win. 869 00:54:40.292 --> 00:54:42.873 Even though it's, you know, a newly promoted team at home, it should be. 870 00:54:43.033 --> 00:54:44.913 No, Premier League games aren't that easy. 871 00:54:44.953 --> 00:54:45.814 Premier League games are hard. 872 00:54:46.274 --> 00:54:47.014 So hopefully we... 873 00:54:48.014 --> 00:55:08.683 we play as we all know Tieno scores another hat-trick Fantastic that's the dream they're going to want to come and shut us down but I think the first 20 minutes are massively important for someone like Hipswich to come into our place first 20 minutes no big chances you know cancel us out do whatever you need to do quiet in the crowd but I just think we'll be up for it on Saturday I really do 874 00:55:09.711 --> 00:55:18.797 They see the guy who scored their winner last week, that Zion Fleming, the one I said we should have signed for only £20 million for a striker, which is good these days. 875 00:55:18.837 --> 00:55:20.818 He'd scored 12-1 for Burnley. 876 00:55:21.539 --> 00:55:24.140 He scored their winner at Palace last week. 877 00:55:24.220 --> 00:55:25.641 So I think he started midweek. 878 00:55:25.661 --> 00:55:30.985 I don't know whether he'll start the weekend because they've had that lad Emerson up front who's scored two already, I think. 879 00:55:31.145 --> 00:55:32.425 I like the wire player as well. 880 00:55:32.465 --> 00:55:35.928 The one to watch is Leif Davis from left-back. 881 00:55:36.968 --> 00:55:38.649 Are you Ipswich's scouts or something? 882 00:55:38.669 --> 00:55:40.489 Why don't you know all these Ipswich players? 883 00:55:40.869 --> 00:55:42.610 Are you Marcus Stewart in disguise? 884 00:55:43.290 --> 00:55:44.730 How do you know these players? 885 00:55:45.731 --> 00:55:47.191 Just, I do the games, don't I? 886 00:55:47.531 --> 00:55:50.252 Study the games and make sure I'm on it. 887 00:55:50.372 --> 00:55:51.572 Tell us about it. 888 00:55:51.713 --> 00:55:52.653 It's his job. 889 00:55:52.773 --> 00:55:54.994 It's his job, Liam, but he's bigging them up and it's wrong. 890 00:55:55.034 --> 00:55:55.414 It's his job. 891 00:55:57.174 --> 00:55:59.977 But Leif Davies at Ipswich, I think, was involved in all three goals. 892 00:56:00.137 --> 00:56:01.438 I think he scored one, I said two. 893 00:56:01.758 --> 00:56:06.122 So left-back is going to be our right-sided player. 894 00:56:06.502 --> 00:56:08.644 Right midfielder is going to give us a lot going forward. 895 00:56:08.664 --> 00:56:11.706 We have to, but they're also going to have to track back. 896 00:56:11.866 --> 00:56:14.468 That's going to be an important job. 897 00:56:14.649 --> 00:56:17.811 So I reckon Brennan Johnson probably... Let's hope so, Leon Ipswich, Osman. 898 00:56:18.031 --> 00:56:18.552 Let's hope so. 899 00:56:20.262 --> 00:56:22.064 We're going to give them an eye and they're getting it. 900 00:56:22.164 --> 00:56:23.005 They're getting us Saturday. 901 00:56:23.025 --> 00:56:25.488 I've had enough of this league going on with us. 902 00:56:25.548 --> 00:56:26.429 We're at it Saturday. 903 00:56:26.449 --> 00:56:27.811 We are giving them a good going over. 904 00:56:27.831 --> 00:56:28.912 What's the score going to be, Tony? 905 00:56:29.513 --> 00:56:29.753 4-1. 906 00:56:29.773 --> 00:56:29.974 4-1. 907 00:56:29.994 --> 00:56:33.157 I thought you were going to go higher than what you were talking. 908 00:56:33.956 --> 00:56:54.397 give them a good eye I mean listen hopefully it's 4-0 the more clean sheets we have the better Jordan Pickford needs clean sheets as much as we can possibly get just for your fantasy league team no just for him just for him you know we need him to be the most I think he's about did I say he's 6 or 8 behind Alisson so they both got over 100 in the Premier League now 909 00:56:55.178 --> 00:56:57.719 Yeah, but Alisson's got like 108, so we want him to get past him. 910 00:56:58.160 --> 00:57:00.821 Yeah, but they have, they have, you know, they're well looked after. 911 00:57:01.701 --> 00:57:04.182 They've been protected since that man's been there. 912 00:57:04.202 --> 00:57:04.723 You know what I mean? 913 00:57:04.743 --> 00:57:06.243 They're the most protected club in the league. 914 00:57:06.684 --> 00:57:07.644 So precious they are. 915 00:57:07.924 --> 00:57:09.325 I mean, people can't even tackle Van Dijk. 916 00:57:09.345 --> 00:57:10.566 They're not even allowed to go near him. 917 00:57:10.926 --> 00:57:12.887 If you

cough near Van Dijk, you get a yellow card. 918 00:57:13.687 --> 00:57:17.208 So, you know, it's just, he's the most protected defender I've ever seen in my life. 919 00:57:17.748 --> 00:57:18.268 How many? 920 00:57:18.769 --> 00:57:20.069 Not one cough, two coughs. 921 00:57:20.129 --> 00:57:20.809 How many coughs? 922 00:57:21.009 --> 00:57:21.930 Not three coughs. 923 00:57:21.970 --> 00:57:23.370 If you sneeze near him, it's a record. 924 00:57:24.010 --> 00:57:25.671 You're in big trouble then. 925 00:57:26.511 --> 00:57:27.451 Four coughs. 926 00:57:27.471 --> 00:57:28.032 Five game. 927 00:57:28.492 --> 00:57:34.033 If you tackle him hard, if you put your studs up anywhere near Van Dyke, it could be a five game suspension. 928 00:57:34.634 --> 00:57:35.514 You know what I mean? 929 00:57:36.574 --> 00:57:57.203 people are terrified of him he's the most precious person I've seen on football they're absolutely petrified of him everyone just as great as a defender he is and he is great why is everyone scared of him go and nail him go and nail him well we used to have Beto used to do that didn't he we need Barry to we need Barry to do that now they've not started too well 930 00:57:58.490 --> 00:58:01.011 Might as well, as soon as we're talking about them, might as well touch on it. 931 00:58:01.371 --> 00:58:03.852 I mean, he didn't start well for Bournemouth either. 932 00:58:05.132 --> 00:58:06.772 But they've not started too well, have they? 933 00:58:07.273 --> 00:58:10.614 It still sits at me when he comes out and says, my players can't run for 30 minutes. 934 00:58:10.914 --> 00:58:11.254 Wow. 935 00:58:11.634 --> 00:58:12.134 Wow. 936 00:58:12.974 --> 00:58:14.895 Wow, that's just bought you some time. 937 00:58:14.915 --> 00:58:15.455 Smart boy. 938 00:58:15.795 --> 00:58:16.375 Clever boy. 939 00:58:17.135 --> 00:58:18.936 That's just bought you a whole lot of time, but... 940 00:58:19.848 --> 00:58:21.489 I don't know, we'll see. 941 00:58:22.089 --> 00:58:23.749 I'm not interested in them, I couldn't care less. 942 00:58:24.089 --> 00:58:28.131 I mean, I'm only interested when the baby's on the pitch, when Jaden's on the pitch, that's the only time I'm there. 943 00:58:28.511 --> 00:58:29.751 I'm urging for them to do well. 944 00:58:30.591 --> 00:58:33.912 But unless that boy's on the pitch, nope, nothing to do with me. 945 00:58:34.452 --> 00:58:35.133 I have no... 946 00:58:36.333 --> 00:58:36.974 I have no thought. 947 00:58:36.994 --> 00:58:37.494 Is he still there? 948 00:58:37.514 --> 00:58:39.296 He's not out on loan or anything at the minute? 949 00:58:39.516 --> 00:58:40.296 No, no. 950 00:58:40.536 --> 00:58:41.858 I'm sure he'll play soon enough. 951 00:58:42.518 --> 00:58:45.601 And when that boy does his family now, he's going to light it up. 952 00:58:46.281 --> 00:58:47.722 I find myself supporting him as well. 953 00:58:47.782 --> 00:58:50.344 Yeah, I was commentating on a game when he first came on. 954 00:58:51.265 --> 00:58:51.745 It was hard. 955 00:58:52.466 --> 00:58:52.726 You know? 956 00:58:54.988 --> 00:58:59.570 That was hard to support young Jane Dans whilst not wanting to support Liverpool. 957 00:59:00.451 --> 00:59:01.651 I know. 958 00:59:01.911 --> 00:59:02.852 It's tricky, isn't it? 959 00:59:03.332 --> 00:59:04.313 Yeah. 960 00:59:04.353 --> 00:59:06.294 I just wish that boy could put on a blue top. 961 00:59:07.294 --> 00:59:08.955 But he's a cop high through and through. 962 00:59:08.975 --> 00:59:10.476 That's never going to change yet. 963 00:59:11.816 --> 00:59:13.497 Well, we can dare the dream. 964 00:59:13.957 --> 00:59:14.517 Tony 4-1. 965 00:59:14.698 --> 00:59:15.078 Aussie. 966 00:59:15.098 --> 00:59:15.498 4-1, yeah. 967 00:59:15.578 --> 00:59:15.718 2-0. 968 00:59:16.558 --> 00:59:18.780 That'd be nice. 969 00:59:18.820 --> 00:59:19.120 2-0. 970 00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:21.761 I'm going for it. 971 00:59:21.841 --> 00:59:22.481 I think 2-0. 972 00:59:22.541 --> 00:59:23.602 Oz, as a footballer. 973 00:59:25.226 --> 00:59:26.566 You prefer 4-1 or 2-0? 974 00:59:30.449 --> 00:59:33.691 As an attacking midfielder... No, no, that's not what I asked, Leon. 975 00:59:33.711 --> 00:59:34.892 That's not what I asked as a footballer. 976 00:59:34.952 --> 00:59:39.615 I'm telling you, my mentality as an attacking footballer, I would like more goals. 977 00:59:39.655 --> 00:59:42.998 I want 4-1 because that means we've created more as a team going forward. 978 00:59:43.018 --> 00:59:45.700 We've done more, which is mostly my job and all that, blah, blah. 979 00:59:47.240 --> 00:59:51.282 but there's something good about keeping clean sheets as a team and being part of that. 980 00:59:51.302 --> 00:59:55.783 When I play centre midfield, yeah, there's something great about keeping clean sheets and not letting them score goals. 981 00:59:55.863 --> 00:59:58.805 So, to answer your question, both. 982 00:59:59.825 --> 01:00:01.125 What do you reckon, David? 983 01:00:01.185 --> 01:00:03.686 If David Moyes was asked, 2-0 or 4-1? 984 01:00:04.147 --> 01:00:05.327 2-0 all day long. 985 01:00:05.367 --> 01:00:05.987 2-0 all day. 986 01:00:06.007 --> 01:00:06.988 Not even close as? 987 01:00:07.408 --> 01:00:10.309 No, no, 2-0 all day, Moyes. 988 01:00:11.009 --> 01:00:13.030 He does like scoring goals, especially because... 989 01:00:14.162 --> 01:00:21.286 Again, the criticism of him is that his team don't, you know, especially at the minute, don't overly create and all of that. 990 01:00:21.346 --> 01:00:24.247 So if it showed that he scored four goals, yeah, he'd love it. 991 01:00:24.668 --> 01:00:28.010 But I think there's just something good about knowing your team can keep clean sheets. 992 01:00:28.030 --> 01:00:33.993 But going back to something you said before, when I mentioned that he's better at keeping clean sheets and scoring, you're right. 993 01:00:34.093 --> 01:00:43.058 We are playing some really nice football at the

minute through the lines, getting in behind, quality play, especially through midfield, some lovely one-touch passing with just, 994 01:00:43.970 --> 01:00:45.470 need to be a little bit more clinical. 995 01:00:45.490 --> 01:00:47.151 And that's not just Ciano Barry. 996 01:00:47.651 --> 01:00:49.271 That is your Brennan Johnsons. 997 01:00:49.311 --> 01:00:51.731 That is Hackney had a chance last night. 998 01:00:51.771 --> 01:00:55.352 That is Jusby Hall that scored, but he's had a couple of more opportunities. 999 01:00:55.392 --> 01:00:58.893 So we need goals from all over the pitch. 1000 01:00:58.953 --> 01:01:04.114 We need everybody to not realise, everybody does realise the goal, but they need to step up. 1001 01:01:04.134 --> 01:01:09.575 And if we have one of those days, our football justifies us scoring a few goals in the majority of games that we play. 1002 01:01:10.135 --> 01:01:11.435 We should have scored three in spits. 1003 01:01:12.318 --> 01:01:15.765 Do you know what I find alarming and I've seen over the most recent seasons? 1004 01:01:16.427 --> 01:01:19.393 The players who play the most passes are centre-halves. 1005 01:01:20.075 --> 01:01:21.057 How mad that was. 1006 01:01:21.077 --> 01:01:22.881 When you were playing, that was never the case. 1007 01:01:23.876 --> 01:01:25.277 Centre-half weren't playing the most pass. 1008 01:01:25.297 --> 01:01:26.637 It was going through the middle every time. 1009 01:01:27.277 --> 01:01:30.939 We didn't want our centre-halves touching it most of the time. 1010 01:01:31.759 --> 01:01:34.260 No disrespect to any of those centre-halves I'm talking about. 1011 01:01:35.101 --> 01:01:35.581 But you didn't. 1012 01:01:35.721 --> 01:01:36.641 He gets his hands on you. 1013 01:01:38.182 --> 01:01:38.622 No, yeah. 1014 01:01:39.223 --> 01:01:40.363 Oh, God. 1015 01:01:40.383 --> 01:01:41.504 I'll be avoiding him for a bit. 1016 01:01:41.864 --> 01:01:44.705 But what happened was the game was played differently. 1017 01:01:44.785 --> 01:01:49.047 So, you know, back in the 90s, centre-forward stayed up front. 1018 01:01:49.567 --> 01:01:51.448 So they never got back behind the ball. 1019 01:01:52.128 --> 01:01:55.510 So centre-halves or wherever it was, we'd give the ball to midfielders. 1020 01:01:56.190 --> 01:01:58.391 And the centre-forwards of BBI and them, they never had to worry. 1021 01:01:58.411 --> 01:02:00.753 Maybe it's sneaking up on their back shoulder every now and again. 1022 01:02:01.293 --> 01:02:04.715 But so many teams now drop everybody behind the ball. 1023 01:02:04.755 --> 01:02:09.477 It's the way everyone, you know, this low block, what we just call defending deep, defending the edge of your box. 1024 01:02:09.918 --> 01:02:11.298 Everybody does that. 1025 01:02:11.679 --> 01:02:15.281 You only used to get that in the 80th minute onwards when they were defending. 1026 01:02:16.221 --> 01:02:34.159 something now your teams do it right from the very start which means there's no real room for midfielders and for you to be effective your midfielders have to go and get in between the lines in pockets and play like old school number 10s so that just means your centre-halves have to have the ball so it's just a different style of football it can be enjoyable at times it can be fun but 1027 01:02:35.160 --> 01:02:41.824 It can also be boring when we prefer to get the ball wide, get crosses into the box, get people... 1028 01:02:41.844 --> 01:02:43.985 There was a move we did in the game last night. 1029 01:02:44.005 --> 01:02:46.807 The ball got switched out through midfield, out to the left. 1030 01:02:46.867 --> 01:02:49.589 Grealish literally wanted to control it. 1031 01:02:49.949 --> 01:02:51.950 Mikkelenko went on the outside of it, played him in. 1032 01:02:51.970 --> 01:02:53.671 Mikkelenko crossed, a bit of a ricochet. 1033 01:02:53.691 --> 01:02:54.352 We nearly scored. 1034 01:02:54.692 --> 01:02:59.455 I was just quick, two-touch football, one side to the other, using the space, runners, cross. 1035 01:02:59.815 --> 01:03:00.435 We love crosses. 1036 01:03:00.655 --> 01:03:01.616 We love moving the ball. 1037 01:03:01.636 --> 01:03:02.917 Will we see it change back then, Oz? 1038 01:03:02.937 --> 01:03:02.997 No. 1039 01:03:03.617 --> 01:03:05.758 Or will it always be like this for the... 1040 01:03:05.998 --> 01:03:08.100 Eventually, yeah. 1041 01:03:08.120 --> 01:03:12.622 My worry is, I was thinking with people, teams defending as deep as they are at the minute. 1042 01:03:14.143 --> 01:03:18.425 So Moise used to always say to us, another manager used to say to us, if a team defends deep, make them. 1043 01:03:19.306 --> 01:03:26.210 If a team defends on the edge of or just inside their own penalty area, what's the point in taking 20 passes on the halfway line? 1044 01:03:27.591 --> 01:03:29.232 pop it in there and see what they can do. 1045 01:03:29.452 --> 01:03:30.673 Knock a big long ball. 1046 01:03:30.873 --> 01:03:33.936 When we had Fellaini or someone like that, knock a ball up to the edge of the box. 1047 01:03:33.956 --> 01:03:40.200 Suddenly you've bypassed two banks of, you know, two centre forwards, a midfield forward, and the two centre-halves having to defend the edge of the box. 1048 01:03:40.260 --> 01:03:43.803 One little knockdown and you're getting Gary Speed type goals all the time. 1049 01:03:44.203 --> 01:03:45.584 God bless him. 1050 01:03:45.724 --> 01:03:46.885 Those type of runs. 1051 01:03:46.905 --> 01:03:49.387 You're Tim Cahill where they landed and you're scoring. 1052 01:03:50.183 --> 01:04:01.512 Whereas at the minute, there is such a void of a big old school set of forwards or people that are physically, and there are a couple of big ones out there, but there's not enough for each team. 1053 01:04:01.632 --> 01:04:06.436 And there's certainly not enough to have the real quality ones at a decent price. 1054 01:04:07.357 --> 01:04:08.919 So you're having to find

another way. 1055 01:04:08.939 --> 01:04:14.004 So if we bring those centre forwards back and we can find those physical guys, I'd be doing it all the time. 1056 01:04:14.024 --> 01:04:15.886 Get the ball wide, cross it to two big guys. 1057 01:04:16.307 --> 01:04:25.416 Imagine, for instance, Les Ferdinand and Alan Shearer, or even Shearer and Duncan Ferguson back in the day when he played for Newcastle, playing against these teams that defend on the edge of the box. 1058 01:04:26.137 --> 01:04:33.064 Imagine just popping her up to Big Dunk or Shearer on the edge of the box and them two physically dominating centre-halves. 1059 01:04:33.384 --> 01:04:35.366 The teams wouldn't be able to defend. 1060 01:04:35.486 --> 01:04:36.527 They'd have to come out and press you. 1061 01:04:36.548 --> 01:04:38.750 Two centre-halves now against one every week. 1062 01:04:38.850 --> 01:04:39.310 Exactly. 1063 01:04:39.430 --> 01:04:43.394 And the centre-four you're talking about isn't that physical. 1064 01:04:44.355 --> 01:04:45.396 They can't really match it. 1065 01:04:45.416 --> 01:04:50.638 But imagine, go back to the old school centre forwards, Shearer and Ferguson or Les Ferdinand. 1066 01:04:50.818 --> 01:04:53.800 Whether you got it wide for a cross, you'd be just crossing the ball in all the time. 1067 01:04:54.180 --> 01:04:59.262 Or you'd be just giving it to your full-backs and say, just hit it long to the D on the edge of the penalty area. 1068 01:04:59.562 --> 01:05:01.803 Them two will cause carnage. 1069 01:05:01.824 --> 01:05:03.064 Midfield runners off them. 1070 01:05:03.184 --> 01:05:05.205 You can't defend deep anymore, but they can at the minute. 1071 01:05:05.825 --> 01:05:07.926 Imagine the Viking had a striking partner. 1072 01:05:08.227 --> 01:05:08.887 Oh, my word. 1073 01:05:09.896 --> 01:05:10.658 Oh my lord. 1074 01:05:10.980 --> 01:05:14.774 He doesn't need it, by the way, but imagine... That sounds like you've already imagined it. 1075 01:05:17.213 --> 01:05:19.114 I'm putting the application in. 1076 01:05:19.154 --> 01:05:20.454 I'm happy to do it with him. 1077 01:05:20.474 --> 01:05:21.535 I'm happy to play with him. 1078 01:05:21.635 --> 01:05:23.055 Get the scout stand for game for Hove. 1079 01:05:23.335 --> 01:05:24.395 I'm telling you. 1080 01:05:24.415 --> 01:05:29.797 The difference with that is, the difference is that is that City as a team don't play like that. 1081 01:05:29.817 --> 01:05:30.897 They're one of the teams that don't. 1082 01:05:30.917 --> 01:05:36.838 But let's just say you put Haaland in our team with another centre forward, then you'd be going, we'd just play it up to him. 1083 01:05:37.078 --> 01:05:38.259 Big fella, flick-ons. 1084 01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:42.440 And even if he didn't go for the flick-on, he'd be amazing at running behind. 1085 01:05:43.420 --> 01:05:44.361 He'd be the little striker. 1086 01:05:44.522 --> 01:05:45.423 You know what I mean? 1087 01:05:45.463 --> 01:05:46.444 He is the dreamer. 1088 01:05:46.785 --> 01:05:47.386 He's the dream. 1089 01:05:48.527 --> 01:05:48.767 Oh, yeah. 1090 01:05:48.787 --> 01:05:50.109 You mentioned the game for hope. 1091 01:05:51.211 --> 01:05:51.451 Yeah. 1092 01:05:52.072 --> 01:05:52.893 Tony's playing, isn't he? 1093 01:05:53.574 --> 01:05:53.954 Yeah. 1094 01:05:53.974 --> 01:05:55.056 Game for hope coming up soon. 1095 01:05:55.136 --> 01:05:55.857 Charity event. 1096 01:05:56.738 --> 01:05:57.579 Charity event. 1097 01:05:57.599 --> 01:05:59.301 You want to just promote at the moment? 1098 01:06:00.807 --> 01:06:25.830 Gabe Hope be there or be square can't wait to take part massive really important yeah 26th of September there you go be a good family day out won't it so definitely we'll post some details actually at the bottom of the YouTube video because we're going to support them as a podcast as well I need to know where to buy a Cafu top 94 World Cup Cafu top got to get it got to turn up with it because he's there and I'm just going straight over to him come here little legs sign that 1099 01:06:26.517 --> 01:06:35.704 Just make sure, Tony, just make sure that you put a big L on your left boot and a big R on your right boot for when you go out there, all right? 1100 01:06:36.345 --> 01:06:36.805 Thanks for that. 1101 01:06:36.825 --> 01:06:39.287 I've seen you play centre-forward before. 1102 01:06:39.508 --> 01:06:40.008 Thanks for that. 1103 01:06:40.508 --> 01:06:46.653 Well, you know, we all know he's got the last free kick at Goodison Park, 89th minute against Barclays Bank. 1104 01:06:47.934 --> 01:06:48.435 What can I do? 1105 01:06:49.463 --> 01:07:09.101 can I say do you know I can't even say it about that it was some free kick you should put that on a link as well yes Liam I've got a video I'm going to send it to you of course he's got a video he's shown it me so many times put it at the end of this episode for everybody to see me thank you what a great way to end