EP. 72: 22 Bones feat Marcus Stokes의 전체 녹취록

[SPEAKER_00]: So we had him up here before, but it's good to get to know him on a personal level, not at least by himself. 03:49.451 --> 03:51.953 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there a particular reason why you solo? 03:52.796 --> 03:54.318 [SPEAKER_00]: Or is this just, you know, what's going on? 03:54.358 --> 03:56.040 [SPEAKER_00]: Ain't been good all day, twenty-one grams. 03:56.100 --> 04:02.127 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're not, you're not, you're not, twelve grams. 04:02.387 --> 04:03.408 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, twenty-one grams. 04:03.448 --> 04:12.098 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's family, that's for life, but you know, we've grown, got to branch out and do our own things, you know. 04:14.761 --> 04:17.684 [SPEAKER_02]: We can cover more ground when this tool was, you know what I'm saying? 04:18.164 --> 04:21.207 [SPEAKER_02]: Even this weekend, I'm shooting a movie on Saturday. 04:21.668 --> 04:24.551 [SPEAKER_02]: He's performing, opening for thirty eight special on Saturday. 04:24.571 --> 04:28.835 [SPEAKER_02]: We could be in two places at one time and really make sure where you know what I'm saying. 04:29.852 --> 04:31.753 [SPEAKER_00]: That's important that we even start that off. 04:31.773 --> 04:33.454 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the energy right there. 04:33.795 --> 04:35.616 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't really see energy like that. 04:36.456 --> 04:43.601 [SPEAKER_00]: People usually become very destructive to things that they're not necessarily present for a part of in that moment. 04:44.021 --> 04:46.163 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very hard for somebody to clap when it's 04:46.963 --> 04:48.125 [SPEAKER_00]: No trace of them. 04:48.225 --> 04:50.789 [SPEAKER_00]: So even here you say that was dope. 04:50.869 --> 04:54.914 [SPEAKER_00]: And that you don't see that too often about that level of support. 04:55.155 --> 04:55.815 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying? 04:55.896 --> 04:58.439 [SPEAKER_00]: Just why he not is like, yeah, we're going to say mission. 04:58.459 --> 05:04.187 [SPEAKER_00]: We just doing us, but bro, this we still, I mean, yeah, that's dope to him. 05:04.567 --> 05:05.687 [SPEAKER_02]: not loyalty and legacy. 05:05.727 --> 05:06.808 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying greenburg things. 05:06.948 --> 05:17.832 [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a lot of aspects of greenburg characteristics that, you know, I don't necessarily see as prevalent in other areas and other neighborhoods. 05:17.852 --> 05:20.232 [SPEAKER_02]: So we take a lot of pride in that just in general. 05:20.393 --> 05:21.753 [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely being from where we're from. 05:21.793 --> 05:23.414 [SPEAKER_02]: And obviously that's my brother for sure. 05:23.434 --> 05:24.674 [SPEAKER_02]: There is nothing really even. 05:24.874 --> 05:26.074 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just that's what it is. 05:26.235 --> 05:26.975 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. 05:28.175 --> 05:29.015 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about it. 05:30.176 --> 05:34.297 [SPEAKER_00]: You said something that resonated with me, you know, you

hurt your first red name. 05:34.317 --> 05:35.797 [SPEAKER_00]: You got from your father, rest in peace. 05:35.837 --> 05:36.858 [SPEAKER_00]: I lost my father. 05:36.878 --> 05:38.378 [SPEAKER_00]: What actually, how are we all done? 05:38.858 --> 05:45.040 [SPEAKER_00]: His hat is often too, where like everybody does in the room has a disease, so absent father. 05:45.760 --> 05:47.361 [SPEAKER_00]: But let's talk about that. 05:47.381 --> 05:48.901 [SPEAKER_00]: So your father was into music. 05:49.242 --> 05:50.702 [SPEAKER_00]: That's something that he was into. 05:51.016 --> 05:53.518 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I never saw that side. 05:53.558 --> 06:09.894 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, yeah, when he was, you know, he passed when I was young, but I've, I've been told stories about, you know, with his boys about back in the days, part of the Chiba crew out in the Bronx, and, you know, they would do shows, and this is the birth of hip hop, you know, back then. 06:10.014 --> 06:11.895 [SPEAKER_02]: And in the Bronx, in the Bronx, the birth city. 06:12.196 --> 06:12.756 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 06:13.757 --> 06:24.040 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, just being the MCs and hosting the parties and running the parties and doing that, I've even heard some tapes of him rocking the mic back in a day. 06:25.841 --> 06:27.381 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's legacy. 06:27.521 --> 06:32.163 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a beautiful thing to kind of have that relationship with him. 06:32.203 --> 06:36.324 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like me, especially with my relationship with spirituality and general. 06:37.304 --> 06:38.085 [SPEAKER_02]: I've had a lot of 06:39.100 --> 06:42.202 [SPEAKER_02]: I still got a relationship with my pops, even though he not here in the first. 06:42.382 --> 06:44.423 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it's a blessing. 06:45.584 --> 06:50.988 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you see any similarities when you listen to those tapes in yourself? 06:53.389 --> 06:54.350 [SPEAKER_02]: Not necessarily. 06:54.970 --> 06:57.932 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the birth of a hip-hop. 06:58.072 --> 06:59.493 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of grown stuff. 06:59.513 --> 07:01.294 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 07:01.414 --> 07:02.315 [SPEAKER_02]: It's different. 07:02.395 --> 07:02.915 [SPEAKER_02]: It's different. 07:06.017 --> 07:09.060 [SPEAKER_02]: similarities and definitely like vocal tone. 07:09.160 --> 07:10.901 [SPEAKER_00]: I've got this voice. 07:11.161 --> 07:11.642 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 07:11.802 --> 07:12.182 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 07:12.262 --> 07:13.303 [SPEAKER_00]: That's some past powerful. 07:13.323 --> 07:14.464 [SPEAKER_00]: That's something. 07:14.504 --> 07:15.324 [SPEAKER_00]: There's certain things. 07:15.545 --> 07:17.426 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't even need to be taught when you pass down. 07:17.446 --> 07:18.387 [SPEAKER_00]: That's in genetics. 07:18.447 --> 07:19.748 [SPEAKER_00]: That's in the essence. 07:19.788 --> 07:20.809 [SPEAKER_00]: That's in your makeup. 07:20.869 --> 07:23.811 [SPEAKER_00]: Like before you was born, God gave you his voice. 07:24.071 --> 07:24.351 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 07:24.491 --> 07:25.492 [SPEAKER_02]: Not genetics is crazy. 07:25.512 --> 07:25.912 [SPEAKER_02]: The show. 07:25.972 --> 07:30.516 [SPEAKER_02]: And that is his crazy pick-up things that you didn't necessarily think like you would have to be around that person. 07:30.536 --> 07:31.857 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the DNA. 07:31.877 --> 07:32.437 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how I work. 07:33.508 --> 07:35.788 [SPEAKER_00]: Talk about your introduction and hip-hop. 07:36.769 --> 07:44.690 [SPEAKER_00]: What kind of artist would you consider yourself before we even peel back the layers of your style of music? 07:45.150 --> 07:49.491 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna all around all this. 07:50.551 --> 07:52.891 [SPEAKER_02]: I think my primary focus has always been lyricism. 07:53.171 --> 07:57.252 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, the fact that that's, I mean, back in the day that wasn't really a question. 07:57.412 --> 07:57.992 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying? 07:58.012 --> 08:00.072 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, like, I'm a little older than I look. 08:00.092 --> 08:02.893 [SPEAKER_02]: So I grew up listening to the nineties rap everybody was lyric. 08:03.954 --> 08:05.455 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody was trying to be the best. 08:05.475 --> 08:08.518 [SPEAKER_02]: That was the part of the DNA, the culture. 08:08.618 --> 08:13.642 [SPEAKER_02]: So it wasn't like I was like, I thought I was putting myself in a specific type of lane. 08:13.722 --> 08:15.964 [SPEAKER_02]: I was just doing what my favorites did. 08:16.305 --> 08:17.906 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to be in the game, you're going to compete. 08:17.946 --> 08:21.029 [SPEAKER_02]: You're not just going to be happy to be here to tape shit. 08:21.729 --> 08:23.871 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm definitely lyrical. 08:24.952 --> 08:27.314 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I listened to a lot of conscious rap. 08:27.354 --> 08:28.816 [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciated conscious rap. 08:29.296 --> 08:29.957 [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's 08:30.877 --> 08:44.300 [SPEAKER_02]: A lot that I got spiritually from the hip hop that I listened to, but it wasn't something that I didn't look at any different from how I looked at, like, gangster rap or any other type of music that I was listening to. 08:44.360 --> 08:50.202 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just, you know, little gems and seeds of information that I took in. 08:50.802 --> 08:58.986 [SPEAKER_02]: Like Greenberg, we didn't have like five percentage and nation as long as Black Israel won't walk around the town, spreading that information. 08:59.026 --> 09:03.848 [SPEAKER_02]: So I got those little trickles of information through hip-hop, even like J.D.C.C. 09:03.968 --> 09:09.630 [SPEAKER_02]: and why didn't Bush knock down the towel, it's like, that's the first time I have a question that, you know, hearing that. 09:11.131 --> 09:12.252 [SPEAKER_02]: Not even in school. 09:12.552 -->

09:13.272 [SPEAKER_00]: This music. 09:13.372 --> 09:17.074 [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't know, we just whatever they said, whoever they said did it is what we believe. 09:17.194 --> 09:24.037 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, with him saying that, uh, modal technique, most devil's question and then it was just like, okay, wait a minute. 09:24.117 --> 09:34.201 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, obviously just being melanated in this country, we, we already got it intuitive understanding that we can't exclusively trust everything that's being told to us. 09:34.821 --> 09:38.142 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so through music, I was able to get another aspect of, uh, 09:39.803 --> 09:42.785 [SPEAKER_02]: social awareness, spiritual awareness, et cetera. 09:43.005 --> 09:49.248 [SPEAKER_02]: And it really shaped me and now use that to go out and branch out and look up information. 09:49.328 --> 09:53.770 [SPEAKER_02]: And I had the luxury to enter that age to look up in different stuff. 09:53.990 --> 09:57.692 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's where I was able to find my spirituality funny enough. 09:58.273 --> 09:58.833 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean listen. 10:01.952 --> 10:05.274 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like I said, it's really no environment. 10:06.115 --> 10:08.797 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no specific environment to learn anything. 10:09.017 --> 10:18.383 [SPEAKER_00]: You can learn anything any way subjected to, you could see and there's this room and learn something that you could take outside and apply it and use it. 10:19.303 --> 10:24.244 [SPEAKER_00]: we taught society a teacher like everything's about a class setting. 10:24.784 --> 10:28.005 [SPEAKER_00]: When I just feel like outside of school life, that's when life really starts. 10:28.065 --> 10:29.145 [SPEAKER_00]: You can out of the school. 10:29.225 --> 10:30.806 [SPEAKER_00]: And the school is a system. 10:31.226 --> 10:32.786 [SPEAKER_00]: It's structured a certain way. 10:33.186 --> 10:34.627 [SPEAKER_00]: Is this when you got out of here in the world? 10:34.667 --> 10:35.727 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a whole new world. 10:35.767 --> 10:36.847 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's school knowledge. 10:37.587 --> 10:40.008 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't apply all of it out here in the world. 10:40.028 --> 10:41.988 [SPEAKER_00]: So right now this is a classroom. 10:42.288 --> 10:42.828 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. 10:42.968 --> 10:44.649 [SPEAKER_02]: You just have some about. 10:46.221 --> 10:46.862 [SPEAKER_00]: lyricism. 10:47.082 --> 10:52.749 [SPEAKER_00]: Now when it comes to being a lyricist, to you was more important about being a lyricist. 10:53.760 --> 10:56.642 [SPEAKER_00]: rhyming, or what do you mean by lyricist? 10:56.662 --> 11:03.106 [SPEAKER_00]: You mean like the message, the words you're using, the verb vocabulary, the way you rhyme, what is a lyricist? 11:03.466 --> 11:07.328 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think the best lyricist is going to have all of that. 11:07.408 --> 11:10.230 [SPEAKER_02]: I look at it like two k-slotters. 11:10.690 --> 11:11.351 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying? 11:11.391 --> 11:12.592 [SPEAKER_02]: Like vocabulary. 11:13.052 --> 11:16.314 [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to be the best, it got to be all the way up vocabulary, it got to be all the way up. 11:16.794 --> 11:23.123 [SPEAKER_02]: Even your voice, like your voice matter, if you don't like the weird motherfuckers sound, like at the end of the day like, that's a human thing, right? 11:23.183 --> 11:24.024 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't fight that. 11:24.044 --> 11:33.997 [SPEAKER_02]: So vocabulary, voice, content, information, rhyme patterns, syllable patterns, 11:35.739 --> 11:48.092 [SPEAKER_02]: metaphors for all of these different things like all that you know consists all that together is what consists of a great lyricist and you know to be the best you want to have those sliders on everything you want to have but any weaknesses anyway 11:48.956 --> 11:50.777 [SPEAKER_00]: Who are some of your favorite lyricists? 11:51.618 --> 11:55.420 [SPEAKER_00]: One's that could be famous, all people who you just know in general like. 11:55.860 --> 11:57.681 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, that we should know about. 11:58.201 --> 12:04.565 [SPEAKER_02]: I think for me, my biggest influence in my personal favorite rapper is Nas. 12:05.325 --> 12:05.845 [SPEAKER_00]: I see that. 12:06.006 --> 12:08.507 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, always always has influence on you. 12:08.707 --> 12:10.868 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely. 12:11.108 --> 12:11.629 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. 12:12.629 --> 12:14.971 [SPEAKER_02]: That's my goal, but I love Jay-Z. 12:15.211 --> 12:17.212 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's my favorite. 12:17.712 --> 12:35.256 [SPEAKER_02]: jazzy one and I'm like and they can say oh jazzy's the go like even though that might not be my go I'm not like why do you think I totally get why and even his accolades like if you want to just take away the music thing like outside of like like music he deserves to be in the conversation too period right like so I get that but 12:35.476 --> 12:39.499 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything else I saw to that, I think he's probably the most deserving of the goal. 12:39.519 --> 12:40.159 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying? 12:40.179 --> 12:42.381 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, to the whole. 12:42.641 --> 12:47.425 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, but Andre three thousand was a huge influence for me. 12:48.465 --> 12:56.031 [SPEAKER_02]: Common, like you mentioned earlier, the B album completely shaped, you know, everything for me, most deaf, Lauren Hill. 12:56.191 --> 12:58.833 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 12:59.193 --> 13:01.314 [SPEAKER_02]: Even even, you know, early Kanye. 13:01.615 --> 13:02.115 [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely. 13:02.355 --> 13:03.416 [SPEAKER_02]: Most of Kanye stuff. 13:03.596 --> 13:08.980 [SPEAKER_02]: I saw it even like lyricism not even looking at him like just looking at him as an artist especially for me. 13:09.020 --> 13:22.351 [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't in the streets like so when Kanye came out that

was the first time I was seeing like a I haven't been for me all like oh okay even like underground artists that maybe don't get talked about like papoos for sidegun 13:23.011 --> 13:24.892 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm back every week with the mixed tape. 13:24.912 --> 13:26.613 [SPEAKER_00]: It was all beef and two, you know. 13:26.693 --> 13:28.094 [SPEAKER_00]: Yo, yeah, I know that was great. 13:28.114 --> 13:29.494 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, see what I've said. 13:31.715 --> 13:33.977 [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen the same thing, but just from a different lens. 13:34.077 --> 13:35.377 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but side gone. 13:35.397 --> 13:36.518 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've gone. 13:36.538 --> 13:42.240 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't put in the mood music series, like, yeah, Cassidy, Lloyd Banks, that all of that. 13:42.401 --> 13:42.681 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 13:42.701 --> 13:42.801 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 13:42.821 --> 13:42.901 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 13:42.921 --> 13:43.661 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no history. 13:43.681 --> 13:44.301 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 13:44.321 --> 13:45.022 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no history. 13:45.062 --> 13:45.322 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 13:45.422 --> 13:45.822 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 13:46.302 --> 13:47.463 [SPEAKER_00]: Joe, but I like the likes. 13:47.683 --> 13:48.143 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no. 13:48.183 --> 13:48.844 [SPEAKER_00]: The likes for sure. 13:48.884 --> 13:49.304 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 13:49.344 --> 13:49.684 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 13:49.704 --> 13:49.824 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 13:50.344 --> 13:50.805 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 13:51.165 --> 13:51.505 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 13:52.150 --> 13:54.951 [SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't a political answer because we in West, that was really interesting. 13:55.231 --> 13:55.931 [SPEAKER_00]: They were like, nice. 13:55.951 --> 14:18.738 [SPEAKER_02]: They were like, he styles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles P. Stiles 14:20.797 --> 14:23.578 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, now I have like the most lyrical to do it up, but I'm gonna be the hardest. 14:24.318 --> 14:29.620 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like, hi, how do I, as like, you know, I'm not just treating it, but how can I still be the hardest? 14:29.640 --> 14:30.901 [SPEAKER_02]: How can I say the real shit? 14:31.561 --> 14:40.504 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, just being like radical and revolutionary in my, in my, in my melanated identity, you know, in my history, and I was just self-imbing moreally upstanding, man. 14:40.544 --> 14:45.086 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I can make sure I have the hardest bars in that sense, at least, you know what I'm saying? 14:45.630 -->

14:47.291 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so refreshing. 14:48.151 --> 14:56.095 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's sincerely like, I'm very in the spirit too in like your confidence is like, it's contagious. 14:56.275 --> 14:57.056 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I love it. 14:57.496 --> 15:05.860 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of times you, I sit down with people and like I said, I could just feel energy and I'm not taking that in the way from nobody, but you know, 15:07.541 --> 15:08.662 [SPEAKER_00]: you at your highest. 15:08.762 --> 15:12.704 [SPEAKER_00]: When you, when you in the spirit, it's just no distraction. 15:12.724 --> 15:14.426 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no, you know you're supposed to be here. 15:14.466 --> 15:16.807 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what this, you, it's just everything's authentic. 15:17.087 --> 15:30.676 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't even really put it into too many words and describe the feeling that I'm feeling, but it's definitely putting me more at ease and I could be more at myself because I know I don't really have to, you're not gonna take nothing personal. 15:30.696 --> 15:32.858 [SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna look at everything for exactly what it is. 15:32.878 --> 15:33.758 [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate that. 15:33.959 --> 15:34.919 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, appreciate that. 15:34.939 --> 15:35.480 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. 15:36.541 --> 15:44.369 [SPEAKER_00]: But that being said, I want to actually, when you say about, you know, how, what is a hard conscious rapper? 15:44.549 --> 15:49.394 [SPEAKER_00]: Like what would even be a topic for artists like that when you say hard? 15:49.494 --> 15:54.379 [SPEAKER_00]: Because styles, he's in many different bags, but you know, he got consciousness. 15:54.619 --> 15:55.400 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. 15:55.420 --> 15:57.442 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's the streets like the people. 15:58.543 --> 16:02.888 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't we think that's separate just consciousness from the streets is just I feel like ignorance. 16:03.269 --> 16:03.810 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying? 16:03.850 --> 16:11.779 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the conscious man is still a man that knows to protect itself outside of the physical protect energy as a man. 16:11.799 --> 16:16.165 [SPEAKER_00]: Protect your mental right right protect your spirit protect your your emotions 16:17.727 --> 16:18.388 [SPEAKER_00]: protection. 16:18.448 --> 16:27.315 [SPEAKER_00]: So I just feel like in the streets, it gets weaponized more people use it to gain, whereas though, you know, being conscious is just being aware. 16:28.036 --> 16:31.118 [SPEAKER_00]: If the situation causes for danger, you bring danger. 16:31.639 --> 16:32.419 [SPEAKER_00]: I got to make it back. 16:32.780 --> 16:34.161 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't just leave out to make it back. 16:34.201 --> 16:36.503 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to unconsciously make it home. 16:36.943 --> 16:42.468 [SPEAKER_00]: So when you say that, I ask, well, we'll be, you know, hard conscious right. 16:43.988 --> 16:52.577 [SPEAKER_00]:

I say like, uh, like being a scenario for, uh, I, I would be a hurdle for conscious man to make it home. 16:52.597 --> 16:54.700 [SPEAKER_00]: How would a conscious man, what's the obstacle? 16:55.200 --> 16:59.865 [SPEAKER_00]: How would you go about making it home as a conscious man in a conscious situation? 17:02.677 --> 17:20.997 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it could be something as simple as saying, if I'm on the train, I'll see behavior, having awareness of behavior like I instead of me just staying here and 17:23.988 --> 17:25.149 [SPEAKER_02]: knowing what couldn't happen. 17:25.429 --> 17:25.729 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 17:25.849 --> 17:27.290 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me excuse myself. 17:27.310 --> 17:30.231 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me go to the other car and not have the confrontation. 17:30.251 --> 17:35.654 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me get, let me get out the situation, especially like friends to say like, you got your lady with you. 17:36.214 --> 17:46.219 [SPEAKER_02]: So it could, it could go, it could go, it could go there and it's just like, all right, well, if I see this behavior and he's coming up the car, let me go to this next talk to make sure that 17:46.579 --> 17:47.199 [SPEAKER_02]: She's safe. 17:47.939 --> 17:49.220 [SPEAKER_02]: Even if I got, you know what I'm saying? 17:49.320 --> 17:52.820 [SPEAKER_02]: Like separate myself from her and make sure she's an environment away from this is whatever. 17:53.500 --> 18:04.363 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I could deal with whatever on my own and individually, but don't put in a situation because like your woman going on a, you can tell them whatever, but they're going to want to participate in everything like that. 18:04.383 --> 18:06.403 [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's your, that's your, that's your, that's your queen. 18:06.423 --> 18:08.123 [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to make sure they see your home safe. 18:08.143 --> 18:13.264 [SPEAKER_02]: But as a man, it's easier to focus on whatever you got to do when you're in your isolated. 18:13.464 --> 18:13.684 [SPEAKER_02]: For sure. 18:13.764 --> 18:15.965 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, and you know, I waited by collateral. 18:16.765 --> 18:19.026 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so that's an example. 18:19.406 --> 18:32.550 [SPEAKER_02]: Just having a witness when we talk about knowledge itself, talking about consciousness, knowing your environment, and how to avoid situations as opposed to, you want to know how to deal with them in a moment if you don't got no choice, right? 18:32.650 --> 18:37.952 [SPEAKER_02]: But having that aware, having that knowledge in it, like when I took karate, it was just like you're not supposed to. 18:38.832 --> 18:45.136 [SPEAKER_02]: use this, you're not supposed to necessarily weaponize this, this is to protect yourself, this is self-defense, right? 18:45.176 --> 18:50.919 [SPEAKER_02]: So a form of self-defense is avoiding the situation entirely and having the awareness to do that. 18:50.959 --> 18:51.979 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that could be an example. 18:52.079 --> 18:53.500 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the song right there. 18:53.640 --> 18:58.083 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, yes, Gabe, and what's going on in the car, because just because you caught the conscious ones, 18:58.923 --> 19:03.827 [SPEAKER_00]: You're seeing things that the people in it not seeing, because you see things from a whole different spectrum. 19:03.928 --> 19:05.229 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, exactly. 19:05.269 --> 19:06.530 [SPEAKER_00]: You're seeing things completely. 19:07.070 --> 19:13.776 [SPEAKER_00]: You're seeing this, it's like before having, I just watched and walked from this building and this building and robbed him on the floor floor, I saw that on the floor. 19:14.437 --> 19:18.601 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not participating, but I'm seeing it and I'm sure I know what that looked like. 19:19.241 --> 19:19.662 [SPEAKER_00]: That's dope. 19:21.783 --> 19:25.284 [SPEAKER_00]: When would you say you actually consider yourself an artist? 19:25.444 --> 19:26.204 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, when did that? 19:26.304 --> 19:28.985 [SPEAKER_00]: When did that come in the fruition for you? 19:29.145 --> 19:30.345 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know what I'm doing? 19:30.485 --> 19:31.245 [SPEAKER_02]: This is what I did. 19:31.265 --> 19:32.225 [SPEAKER_02]: This is my identity. 19:32.345 --> 19:34.746 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a good question. 19:35.186 --> 19:36.186 [SPEAKER_02]: I never really thought of that. 19:36.246 --> 19:42.288 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, the first artistic expression that I did was drawing. 19:43.168 --> 19:47.789 [SPEAKER_02]: When I was younger, I remember I had a drawing book. 19:48.789 --> 19:53.892 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought if I didn't have the toys, I would draw the character and cut them out, and that would be the act. 19:53.952 --> 19:56.693 [SPEAKER_02]: If I don't have the action figure, I'll just draw it and cut it out. 19:57.273 --> 19:59.714 [SPEAKER_02]: And I used to want to draw comic books. 20:01.635 --> 20:05.297 [SPEAKER_02]: And I remember one time, I was in like, I think I was in second grade of third grade. 20:05.317 --> 20:13.161 [SPEAKER_02]: And I had drawn, I spent all Friday night drawing Crash Bandicoot, and like following the picture, like every little angle and everything like that. 20:13.241 --> 20:14.422 [SPEAKER_02]: And I remember I was excited. 20:14.502 --> 20:16.723 [SPEAKER_02]: I was geeked out, brought it in the school, one day, 20:17.203 --> 20:18.924 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, I drew this and nobody believed me. 20:19.405 --> 20:21.767 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, damn, I was like, I was hurt. 20:21.847 --> 20:28.132 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, then, like, why, what I lied about this, but as I'm older now, I'm like, oh, that's how good it was. 20:28.212 --> 20:29.032 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a compliment. 20:29.132 --> 20:33.496 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a compliment, even if they didn't intend it for it to be like that. 20:35.017 --> 20:37.539

[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that was like my first artistic expression. 20:37.599 --> 20:43.344 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I necessarily considered myself an artist after that, because I stopped drawing, I'd say, 20:46.259 --> 20:49.664 [SPEAKER_02]: around like like seven eighth grade, you know, that makes sense. 20:49.684 --> 20:54.770 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, when Kanye dropped college drop out, and I was like, hi, there's a name for me. 20:54.790 --> 21:00.197 [SPEAKER_02]: That's when I really started writing and I can, I say that. 21:00.257 --> 21:00.818 [SPEAKER_02]: I say that. 21:00.838 --> 21:04.443 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I support and to keep to do that when inspiration is 21:06.081 --> 21:08.403 [SPEAKER_00]: The range is just, it's limitless. 21:08.503 --> 21:08.803 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 21:08.823 --> 21:09.583 [SPEAKER_00]: You never know. 21:09.844 --> 21:10.104 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 21:10.564 --> 21:15.968 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why this is important for you to do what you do because who knows who might be listening to a marker. 21:15.988 --> 21:18.209 [SPEAKER_00]: Stokes me like, oh, they're somebody like me out there. 21:18.249 --> 21:20.010 [SPEAKER_00]: I can identify with this game. 21:20.030 --> 21:21.812 [SPEAKER_00]: He hoped to start song. 21:21.992 --> 21:23.333 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 21:23.433 --> 21:24.253 [SPEAKER_00]: That's important. 21:24.473 --> 21:24.794 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. 21:26.185 --> 21:27.966 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about the project, man. 21:28.026 --> 21:28.606 [SPEAKER_00]: Why are we here? 21:28.666 --> 21:30.007 [SPEAKER_00]: I saw you on the flyer. 21:31.587 --> 21:33.528 [SPEAKER_00]: Why is I see snippets? 21:33.688 --> 21:36.150 [SPEAKER_00]: I see all kind of, you know, things going on. 21:36.490 --> 21:38.110 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about this upcoming project. 21:38.130 --> 21:38.551 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to draw. 21:38.571 --> 21:39.531 [SPEAKER_00]: What's the name of the project? 21:39.811 --> 21:41.732 [SPEAKER_02]: The name of the album is twenty-two bones. 21:41.912 --> 21:42.672 [SPEAKER_00]: The album, okay. 21:42.692 --> 21:43.653 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not a project. 21:43.693 --> 21:46.754 [SPEAKER_00]: He made sure he specified the name of the album. 21:46.834 --> 21:47.475 [SPEAKER_00]: I caught that. 21:48.215 --> 21:48.975 [SPEAKER_00]: Twenty-two bones. 21:49.015 --> 21:50.896 [SPEAKER_00]: How we get, how we get twenty-two bones. 21:50.936 --> 21:51.496 [SPEAKER_00]: What's that mean? 21:51.897 --> 21:54.058 [SPEAKER_02]: So, so the, 21:55.522 --> 21:58.864 [SPEAKER_02]: The origin of the name comes from, first of all, the number twenty two. 21:58.904 --> 22:03.226 [SPEAKER_02]: I have a certain relationship with the number twenty two and in a myriad of ways. 22:03.246 --> 22:05.748 [SPEAKER_02]: There's connections to my father. 22:06.768 --> 22:09.170 [SPEAKER_02]: He wore a number twenty two in basketball and high school. 22:11.371 --> 22:14.936 [SPEAKER_02]: In twenty twenty I lost my grandfather, my father's father. 22:15.396 --> 22:27.791 [SPEAKER_02]: So the that was the at that moment I was like I'm the I'm the male of this family alone like like of this this line of this lineage directly like it's just me now you know so 22:28.792 --> 22:32.694 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, as hard as that was, it was also like a coming of age moment for me. 22:33.474 --> 22:42.259 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and that being in twenty twenty, and then me looking up and finding, you know, my father's number being twenty, uh, with twenty two basketball be the only sport that we share. 22:42.279 --> 22:43.559 [SPEAKER_02]: Like he was really in the baseball. 22:44.340 --> 22:46.841 [SPEAKER_02]: He only wore a twenty two basketball. 22:47.421 --> 22:50.223 [SPEAKER_02]: And then obviously my birthday is November eleven. 22:51.103 --> 22:56.084 [SPEAKER_02]: that combined is twenty-two and score, score billion. 22:56.104 --> 22:59.525 [SPEAKER_00]: That's probably why the frequencies are identical. 22:59.785 --> 23:00.445 [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. 23:00.485 --> 23:01.966 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely. 23:02.826 --> 23:10.128 [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, there's a mirror to other things that revolve around sequences of two, whether it be two, twenty-two and angel numbers. 23:10.288 --> 23:10.548 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 23:10.728 --> 23:19.230 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've really started seeing those around twenty-eighteen when I had a situation that I just 23:19.730 --> 23:23.053 [SPEAKER_02]: I needed some help from the other side, and I got it. 23:23.853 --> 23:32.801 [SPEAKER_02]: And so ever since then, I've been seeing in two, twelve, twenty-two, twenty-two different, you know, it's just been a recurring number. 23:32.821 --> 23:37.044 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's some other things that personal only get into more stories, so it was that. 23:38.553 --> 23:43.555 [SPEAKER_02]: So I had the number twenty two just in my brain, you know, circulating and being proud. 23:43.595 --> 23:44.515 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know what it was. 23:44.755 --> 23:47.716 [SPEAKER_02]: What it's meaning was outside of the connection to my father. 23:47.736 --> 23:56.420 [SPEAKER_02]: And then on on the album, I have a record where I say, you know, days go by slow and it stays on my mind like school. 23:57.520 --> 23:59.961 [SPEAKER_02]: And when I when I had that record, 24:01.041 --> 24:06.664 [SPEAKER_02]: I was going to call it school at first and I was like, oh, it's not aesthetically pleasing, you know, a sound. 24:06.944 --> 24:08.245 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. 24:08.365 --> 24:13.007 [SPEAKER_02]: I know heavy metal is, yeah, it just, it didn't, it didn't feel like the song didn't feel like me. 24:13.247 --> 24:14.708 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, when I was like, 24:16.603 --> 24:20.465 [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder how many bones in the human school. 24:20.705 --> 24:23.086 [SPEAKER_02]: And soon as yo, that's the reaction I had. 24:23.126 --> 24:26.028 [SPEAKER_02]: As soon as I

started Googling, I felt like goosebumps. 24:26.448 --> 24:27.709 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, why should it be? 24:27.749 --> 24:28.409 [SPEAKER_02]: Twenty-two. 24:28.489 --> 24:30.630 [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, yeah, it started. 24:30.810 --> 24:31.631 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that was a gift. 24:32.391 --> 24:36.153 [SPEAKER_02]: And once I had that for the song, I was like, oh, not only is that the song. 24:36.473 --> 24:37.533 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the album. 24:37.733 --> 24:39.814 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I just had a collection of songs. 24:39.854 --> 24:42.495 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know what the connection was. 24:42.695 --> 24:46.415 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know how, but it was just like, yeah, this is, I'm letting anybody inside my head. 24:46.836 --> 24:56.198 [SPEAKER_02]: And what I've been thinking and feeling and going through in the spiritual journeys that I've been fighting the shadow work I've been doing over the last half of many years, like, that's the album. 24:58.553 --> 25:04.681 [SPEAKER_00]: off-topic like, my grandfather used to take me to Central Park when I was a kid. 25:04.701 --> 25:05.322 [SPEAKER_00]: I had a dog. 25:05.362 --> 25:06.984 [SPEAKER_00]: Before I moved to Manless, I was a kid. 25:07.345 --> 25:08.907 [SPEAKER_00]: I had a dog in life. 25:10.241 --> 25:17.265 [SPEAKER_00]: Every time we took my dog to a dog park, it would always find like one dog that it just connected with. 25:17.566 --> 25:21.448 [SPEAKER_00]: When you say to other side, like so many people just haven't been there. 25:21.928 --> 25:22.829 [SPEAKER_00]: They said, they don't know. 25:23.109 --> 25:27.352 [SPEAKER_00]: They have the clueless when they come to it and sometimes it get, it get. 25:28.112 --> 25:32.195 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't use the word lonely because it's not a lonely feeling, but it's just like. 25:35.056 --> 25:36.637 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good word I could use for. 25:37.930 --> 25:40.433 [SPEAKER_00]: This satisfying sometimes, like, damn. 25:40.453 --> 25:41.173 [SPEAKER_00]: It's isolated. 25:41.213 --> 25:42.595 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you've been, it's isolated. 25:43.035 --> 25:44.016 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been there. 25:44.116 --> 25:44.737 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been there. 25:45.638 --> 25:46.839 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you're there. 25:46.859 --> 25:47.880 [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody's been there too. 25:47.920 --> 25:48.961 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm not bugging. 25:49.121 --> 25:54.427 [SPEAKER_00]: If you say to have a side and do do do do that whole sequence, I got my life as a story. 25:54.447 --> 25:55.608 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's type of stories. 25:55.728 --> 25:58.150 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, damn. 25:58.250 --> 25:59.792 [SPEAKER_00]: Twenty two bones in a skull. 26:03.993 --> 26:14.062 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's for that not to be planned like you said the other side that just it's the other side for me that just took me into me over there for a minute because I've been a lot of to play too much time over there.

26:14.203 --> 26:18.787 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's an aspect of surrender with spirituality that 26:19.647 --> 26:46.670 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's when you're able to just receive, I think when you're just trying to think and rationalize and intellectualize everything, it can be, it can block off messages, you know, when you just allow yourself to be a vessel and receive and surrender, I think that's when you get a lot of answers and insights and downloads as they call, you know, and that's been a big arc in my shifts 26:47.728 --> 26:49.850 [SPEAKER_02]: in my dope life show. 26:50.671 --> 26:52.353 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I'm twenty two bones. 26:52.393 --> 26:55.256 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's really that's dope. 26:55.276 --> 26:56.858 [SPEAKER_00]: How that even came to fruition. 26:58.059 --> 27:04.666 [SPEAKER_00]: We was talking a little bit off camera on how are you going to structure twenty two bones like where we go on with that. 27:04.846 --> 27:05.167 [SPEAKER_00]: I just 27:06.925 --> 27:10.686 [SPEAKER_00]: because now you can tell them about a life that they never even seen you live. 27:11.366 --> 27:12.027 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's it. 27:12.187 --> 27:16.608 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you got a relationship with your pops and on the other side, your pops is home. 27:17.128 --> 27:18.269 [SPEAKER_00]: Go talk, you go get up with them. 27:18.309 --> 27:21.750 [SPEAKER_00]: After you leave here, you go talk to them and tell them how it was. 27:21.790 --> 27:22.710 [SPEAKER_00]: We're not gonna see that. 27:22.730 --> 27:30.253 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, then if you do, if you don't, you might be talking, you might be confused and audience. 27:30.453 --> 27:31.553 [SPEAKER_00]: They like, what the hell is he talking? 27:32.218 --> 27:33.840 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. 27:33.880 --> 27:35.101 [SPEAKER_00]: So hi, hi, where we go? 27:35.161 --> 27:41.569 [SPEAKER_00]: We dominate down form, or we, we just gonna speak to the, to the, to the, to the, to the, to the what to the chosen ones. 27:41.837 --> 28:07.219 [SPEAKER_02]: So when me and Melop around twenty, this was just twenty nineteen and we was like, we had to duck a couple different labels and one of the labels, you know, we thought we had some traction going and it was, we was like, it was, it was lit and then the last meeting we had, we were told by black music exact, big name, I ain't gonna say it, but he was just like, 28:09.160 --> 28:11.422 [SPEAKER_02]: He was like, he was like, y'all are too talented. 28:12.242 --> 28:14.384 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking for that microwave popcorn bullshit. 28:14.884 --> 28:15.424 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a quote. 28:16.125 --> 28:18.546 [SPEAKER_02]: He said, I'm looking for that microwave popcorn bullshit. 28:19.107 --> 28:22.769 [SPEAKER_02]: And in the moment, you know, we were devastated, right? 28:23.169 --> 28:27.052 [SPEAKER_02]: Because we thought we thought we made it, right? 28:27.672 --> 28:31.935 [SPEAKER_02]: But now, once we walked out of that meeting, 28:32.635 --> 28:35.756 [SPEAKER_02]: Something hit with me was just like, all right, cause we went there with like reference tracks. 28:36.156 --> 28:46.939 [SPEAKER_02]: We really thought we were like giving them the dumb down or just whatever mainstream like, you know, so once it was just like, I'd art, our dumbest down isn't against stupidness. 28:47.179 --> 28:48.059 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was free. 28:48.099 --> 28:53.361 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like, I, so whatever balance that we've been trying to find artistically this whole time. 28:54.341 --> 28:56.002 [SPEAKER_02]: That's just not all, that's not for us. 28:56.682 --> 29:00.924 [SPEAKER_02]: And for me, I was just like, oh, I'm going to go to a whole other direction now, right? 29:00.984 --> 29:12.969 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get back to my alchemist beats, rapping over other than, you know what I'm saying, my, my soul samples and whatever, like I'm just going to go fully that way and really see that, because that was always my plan anyway. 29:13.329 --> 29:15.850 [SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to sneak in and then I'll give them the real shit. 29:16.230 --> 29:20.112 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I'll just, I'll just give them the real shit now, you know, so this entire last since, 29:22.597 --> 29:30.360 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll just mention how much of myself as a lyricist and the writer to be as deep and profound and lyrically dense and complex as possible. 29:30.901 --> 29:34.342 [SPEAKER_02]: So this album is the culmination of all of that. 29:34.482 --> 29:36.943 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's definitely not dumb down. 29:37.604 --> 29:40.065 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trusting the vibe, right? 29:40.085 --> 29:47.428 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trusting that the frequency that I was on making these records that even if people don't necessarily comprehend everything they feel it. 29:48.148 --> 29:52.130 [SPEAKER_02]: And when they feel it, you know, at over time, they listen, replay value. 29:52.530 --> 29:54.170 [SPEAKER_02]: Listen to it over and over again. 29:54.791 --> 30:00.553 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, let the little seeds, like, I didn't always understand what now I was talking about, Wu Tang Clan. 30:00.593 --> 30:05.114 [SPEAKER_02]: I know what the fuck Wu Tang was talking about, you know, that five percent of talk until later. 30:05.575 --> 30:09.116 [SPEAKER_02]: And I, you know, I did my, I did my research, but there would always be gems. 30:09.536 --> 30:11.837 [SPEAKER_02]: There'd always be seeds that they planted that. 30:12.337 --> 30:17.000 [SPEAKER_02]: down the line, I'm like, oh, even Jay Z. I, oh, that's what he's talking about. 30:17.040 --> 30:18.320 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it's about, reflect. 30:18.560 --> 30:20.742 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I'm trusting I could beat that. 30:20.802 --> 30:25.304 [SPEAKER_02]: And in the meantime, it just feel good enough that people get it and tap in. 30:25.384 --> 30:35.710 [SPEAKER_02]: And I also have the luxury that like

most of my, most of my fans, most of my community, I want to call it as poets and writers. 30:35.770 --> 30:37.671 [SPEAKER_02]: So, they understand that. 30:37.811 --> 30:38.711 [SPEAKER_02]: They look in for that. 30:38.831 --> 30:39.472 [SPEAKER_02]: They want that. 30:40.332 --> 30:42.373 [SPEAKER_02]: just how it's complex is possible. 30:42.773 --> 30:44.634 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what they're, that's what they're looking for. 30:45.114 --> 30:48.496 [SPEAKER_02]: So I have the luxury of a very high-brow community. 30:49.637 --> 30:55.259 [SPEAKER_02]: So I can kind of, you know, I could stretch it, but yeah, I made this album for me. 30:55.719 --> 30:59.341 [SPEAKER_02]: This certain references that I'm like, I don't know if anybody gonna get it, but I got it. 31:00.122 --> 31:03.023 [SPEAKER_02]: If anybody got questions, tap in, you know what I'm saying? 31:03.063 --> 31:06.865 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, we gonna decode this shit over a long period of time. 31:06.945 --> 31:09.126 [SPEAKER_02]: That's another aspect of things as far as, like, 31:09.786 --> 31:13.149 [SPEAKER_02]: content creation and create your own things like that. 31:13.169 --> 31:14.751 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to make everything real clear. 31:15.452 --> 31:17.133 [SPEAKER_00]: This is your first solo project. 31:17.934 --> 31:19.556 [SPEAKER_00]: Solo albums, excuse me. 31:19.636 --> 31:20.577 [SPEAKER_02]: You call it a project? 31:20.857 --> 31:24.601 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's an artistic expression for sure. 31:24.901 --> 31:25.181 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 31:26.823 --> 31:44.218 [SPEAKER_00]: So like I said, when can we expect the, well, you never really gave us the, I behind the scenes you told me, it's still under construction, you still, you know, trying to figure out, but, you know, how many tracks do you want on it, where we going with it, you know, it was a, a little preview of what's going on. 31:44.660 --> 31:48.001 [SPEAKER_00]: outside of just the name, the structure, the embodiment of the project. 31:48.121 --> 31:49.482 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. 31:49.602 --> 31:55.344 [SPEAKER_02]: So like I said, I've been working on this album since, it's twenty nineteen. 31:55.645 --> 31:56.885 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not scared about it. 31:56.905 --> 31:59.826 [SPEAKER_00]: Be anything being outdated or you're already took them. 32:00.567 --> 32:03.468 [SPEAKER_00]: You're already gave us twenty twenty five and twenty twenty nineteen. 32:03.488 --> 32:04.308 [SPEAKER_00]: So we got to catch up. 32:04.348 --> 32:04.888 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it. 32:04.928 --> 32:10.330 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm I'm I'm I've always been my harshest critic and when I listen to old stuff, it could be like cringey for sure. 32:10.431 --> 32:13.252 [SPEAKER_02]: So the fact that I've lived with these records, you know, 32:14.232 --> 32:19.719 [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's, I know I'm good because if I thought it was dated, it wouldn't, nobody would hear it. 32:19.819 --> 32:22.803 [SPEAKER_02]: Things that I

think are dated, they won't be heard. 32:22.823 --> 32:29.151 [SPEAKER_02]: I read mix them in whatever I got to do, but this album, I'm really like enjoying listening to it. 32:30.232 --> 32:49.982 [SPEAKER_02]: the oldest things I'm just like I'm getting life from it and remembering where I was in that moment and it's all leading up to here so it's just like the earliest things are like the the starter story to get me to this point so I'm blessed that you know the records have aged like wine for me and so 32:51.103 --> 32:54.524 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not worried about that at all. 32:55.164 --> 32:57.945 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's time this music, you know what I'm saying? 32:57.965 --> 33:07.149 [SPEAKER_02]: So it don't sound like now, it doesn't sound like the past, it just sounds like just my thoughts, you know, from a certain place in my brain. 33:09.350 --> 33:13.433 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my subconscious really came through and just painted everything like that. 33:13.453 --> 33:14.834 [SPEAKER_02]: My producer Nathan Chase. 33:15.075 --> 33:16.316 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I'm on boy. 33:16.496 --> 33:18.617 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly the produced the whole thing. 33:19.458 --> 33:23.661 [SPEAKER_02]: The only things that if he didn't produce it, I produced it. 33:23.982 --> 33:25.543 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so you're into that too? 33:25.683 --> 33:26.784 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll just, you did. 33:27.044 --> 33:28.325 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a new thing like us. 33:28.525 --> 33:30.206 [SPEAKER_02]: Me and him worked on the acoustics. 33:30.287 --> 33:32.328 [SPEAKER_00]: I could say, you're into like a acoustics. 33:32.428 --> 33:34.029 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're a sound scapegoat. 33:34.049 --> 33:36.311 [SPEAKER_02]: Like this sounds and picking that. 33:53.492 --> 33:56.493 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I want to be in front of the, I want to be in front of the camera. 33:56.533 --> 33:59.395 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to be like, I'm an introvert, you know what I'm saying? 33:59.415 --> 34:04.657 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I ain't trying to be in the spotlight. 34:04.777 --> 34:06.998 [SPEAKER_02]: It just so happens that that was my cause. 34:07.098 --> 34:07.658 [SPEAKER_00]: It's cool for me. 34:07.678 --> 34:11.040 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm just like, it's not about like, it's not coming from an eagle place with me. 34:11.120 --> 34:12.520 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, this is my life's work. 34:13.201 --> 34:15.021 [SPEAKER_02]: So I will do that. 34:15.322 --> 34:16.662 [SPEAKER_02]: I will be in front of the people. 34:17.162 --> 34:21.444 [SPEAKER_02]: I will be in front of the camera, but it's not because I want the vanity of the attention. 34:21.544 --> 34:22.345 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just all. 34:23.345 --> 34:24.187 [SPEAKER_02]: That's my life's work. 34:24.207 --> 34:25.911 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 34:26.071 --> 34:34.390 [SPEAKER_00]: I especially somebody like me who live many different lives like I'm off that like I'll kind of if I could do it a little differently now with it 34:37.203 --> 34:39.444 [SPEAKER_02]: Any features on a project? 34:40.685 --> 34:42.286 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a couple of features on a project. 34:42.426 --> 34:48.309 [SPEAKER_02]: One in particular, one in particular that I can't name, one that I'm working on. 34:48.329 --> 34:55.233 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not waiting for this, but certain things have aligned in my life that I might be able to get this feature. 34:55.733 --> 35:02.437 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, we'll see, but yeah, just a couple of features, not too much, because it really is about me getting off these thoughts. 35:06.253 --> 35:10.015 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you notice a difference in your cadence or even? 35:12.007 --> 35:21.350 [SPEAKER_00]: I could just say, Katie, so your approach since the past and of your grandfather, your approach to music, that difference there from when he was there? 35:21.770 --> 35:23.130 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely. 35:24.170 --> 35:33.693 [SPEAKER_02]: So my grandfather, he was a seven-day eventist, but he was a poet and he was a songwriter and a singing and everything like that. 35:33.993 --> 35:39.815 [SPEAKER_02]: And my first time performing outside of like little school plays where at his church. 35:40.415 --> 35:41.275 [SPEAKER_02]: performing his work. 35:42.156 --> 35:57.761 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, at the time, I didn't, you know, like I said, I ain't want to be, if I want to stage in front of people, whatever, but he felt like it was important for me to do that with him, even if I wasn't necessarily a part of that church. 35:58.361 --> 36:04.803 [SPEAKER_02]: He still felt like it was important for me to do that and for my relationship with God, even if we don't have the exact same. 36:05.763 --> 36:14.507 [SPEAKER_02]: believes and everything like that, you know, I do trust and believe that we've always been praying to the same person, to the same entity. 36:15.447 --> 36:23.511 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, so that was like a, that's another seed that was planted early that is blossoming fruit now. 36:24.672 --> 36:28.176 [SPEAKER_02]: So when he passed, I was already going through him being sick. 36:28.696 --> 36:36.285 [SPEAKER_02]: I was going through it, and I was also going through a real, just bad of depression at that time in the early nineteen. 36:36.305 --> 36:39.809 [SPEAKER_02]: I had a bad breakup and basically just an existential crisis. 36:39.849 --> 36:41.831 [SPEAKER_02]: I was going through a lot at the time. 36:42.111 --> 36:44.694 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think like Eva Ma, Mike Ma, 36:46.170 --> 36:47.671 [SPEAKER_02]: taught me my voice got deeper. 36:48.051 --> 36:48.751 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying? 36:48.791 --> 36:50.412 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I was smoking a lot. 36:51.012 --> 36:52.773 [SPEAKER_02]: I was just in the dark places. 36:53.554 --> 36:57.676 [SPEAKER_02]: I felt something in me like my root shock or I learned later. 36:57.796 --> 36:59.657 [SPEAKER_02]: Like my root shock was

out of it. 36:59.677 --> 37:00.837 [SPEAKER_02]: It was out of whack. 37:01.017 --> 37:05.960 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I had to do some energy work to get real on. 37:06.100 --> 37:08.321 [SPEAKER_02]: So then breath work and things like that to get 37:08.401 --> 37:16.084 [SPEAKER_02]: realigned, but yeah, like so when you talk about cadence, that affected things significantly. 37:19.905 --> 37:21.626 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's my story, right? 37:21.646 --> 37:22.146 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not 37:24.834 --> 37:30.161 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, trauma, grief, things like that, they're going to affect you, they're going to shape you, but everybody dies. 37:30.622 --> 37:36.470 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's if that's if you're experiencing that, that's a part of the script for you for whatever reason. 37:36.951 --> 37:40.576 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you go through it, if you bless enough to make it through it, 37:41.456 --> 37:47.221 [SPEAKER_02]: that defines who you are and as an artist, it's gonna come out in your heart. 37:47.301 --> 37:50.824 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll just take it as much as it hurts. 37:51.124 --> 37:55.227 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, these are gifts, you know, this is new colors for me to paint with. 37:56.768 --> 37:58.850 [SPEAKER_02]: And I receive it as that and accept it as that. 37:59.070 --> 38:00.071 [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely. 38:00.231 --> 38:00.732 [SPEAKER_00]: Damn. 38:01.632 --> 38:02.173 [SPEAKER_00]: That's deep. 38:03.634 --> 38:04.234 [SPEAKER_00]: That's deep. 38:05.355 --> 38:07.537 [SPEAKER_00]: As we start to wrap it up. 38:08.918 --> 38:19.663 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I actually just before, but I want to actually again, what does it take to get your creative ceiling this time? 38:19.703 --> 38:22.865 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what is the setting like this band? 38:22.905 --> 38:25.026 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what for before actually that? 38:25.126 --> 38:26.987 [SPEAKER_00]: What's your relationship with silence? 38:28.709 --> 38:30.750 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, that's the other relationship with silence. 38:30.790 --> 38:32.611 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people do the world is so loud. 38:33.851 --> 38:37.733 [SPEAKER_00]: The world, the voice silence, it felt like there's just nobody can do it. 38:38.153 --> 38:39.634 [SPEAKER_00]: It's tough. 38:39.654 --> 38:47.718 [SPEAKER_02]: So I got, I've always been somebody that likes to write, you know, during the witch and I was that three to five a.m. 38:47.798 --> 38:55.742 [SPEAKER_02]: period of time with, yeah, you know, a lot of artists talk about that, that witch and I were time period with, it's just like that's where you get to download, that's where. 38:56.302 --> 38:59.704 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the world is quiet, everybody's sleeping, everything like that. 38:59.804 --> 39:05.006 [SPEAKER_02]: And during the pandemic, there was a different level of silence. 39:05.687 --> 39:16.752 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, even New York, it aspect sounded like the South and the country, where it was just

so, because there's no cars on the road, there's no cars on the highway. 39:17.252 --> 39:20.978 [SPEAKER_02]: so there's no, there's less like pollution. 39:21.078 --> 39:22.179 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything was just less. 39:22.640 --> 39:26.265 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is as dark of a time as it was that sign. 39:26.285 --> 39:27.286 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not the hell was. 39:27.467 --> 39:30.190 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, of course, of course, but yeah, that time period. 39:32.233 --> 39:54.048 [SPEAKER_02]: That time period definitely granted a lot of stillness and a lot of silence that I was able to receive a lot of downloads from and there's a lot on this album from that time period that it really made some potent stuff and it shapes a lot of the album for sure. 39:54.268 --> 39:57.691 [SPEAKER_00]: So we pretty much gonna have to wait for that, I'm gonna find anything out about that. 39:57.992 --> 40:02.155 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll notice how you play a defense without. 40:04.037 --> 40:10.223 [SPEAKER_00]: So, but which is good, which is making me definitely want to hit a project more, because it's like I still have it. 40:10.663 --> 40:12.185 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a visionary, I still don't. 40:12.705 --> 40:16.229 [SPEAKER_00]: I got a idea, but I still got a million and one question's about that. 40:16.249 --> 40:20.973 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's like, I'm like, I'm not easy to really maneuver through. 40:21.013 --> 40:28.981 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I know how to ask a question and get to, you know, so yeah, we definitely are lined in that and that frequency. 40:29.001 --> 40:31.303 [SPEAKER_00]: You guys get a million times a million ways. 40:31.644 --> 40:32.825 [SPEAKER_00]: You just go out and wait for that. 40:32.885 --> 40:34.807 [SPEAKER_00]: So what that being said, when can we expect that? 40:35.187 --> 40:36.707 [SPEAKER_02]: Kim, can you drop a date on it? 40:36.747 --> 40:41.509 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, um, I mean, right now, I can't say anything, right? 40:41.949 --> 40:51.092 [SPEAKER_02]: Not definitely, definitely for, definitely for, I think, um, I just wanted to make sure that I gave respect to the rollout process. 40:51.212 --> 40:54.753 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's something in the past that I haven't done the best with. 40:54.953 --> 41:00.895 [SPEAKER_02]: And now, especially with, um, my connects with the poetry community in New York and everything like that. 41:02.495 --> 41:09.582 [SPEAKER_02]: I have an opportunity to really lean into the sharing of a little tidbit to the project. 41:09.623 --> 41:11.484 [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, this is a part of the rollout. 41:11.585 --> 41:13.506 [SPEAKER_00]: I was about to say that you would ask. 41:13.627 --> 41:18.532 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, this is a huge aspect of the rollout and everything like that. 41:19.132 --> 41:21.433 [SPEAKER_02]: because like me and Jamal been so heavy. 41:22.674 --> 41:24.595 [SPEAKER_00]: Jamal, let's tell the people who Jamal is. 41:24.615 --> 41:28.396 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so Jamal, that's the modern poet of New York City. 41:29.657 --> 41:36.160 [SPEAKER_02]: He started the platform to create high quality, high definition visuals for poets in New York City. 41:37.821 --> 41:41.502 [SPEAKER_02]: And he does it charge, you know, he just does it out of the love for the culture because 41:43.363 --> 41:47.565 [SPEAKER_02]: When we came in the poetry last year, it was really like we didn't have any intentions. 41:47.605 --> 41:49.386 [SPEAKER_02]: We kind of just like stumbled into it. 41:49.466 --> 41:53.148 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, we was just kicking it, getting fly hit in the city doing whatever. 41:53.168 --> 41:56.570 [SPEAKER_02]: Like usual, you know what I'm saying, regular, regular Greenburg City. 41:56.610 --> 41:57.551 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know what I'm saying? 41:57.571 --> 42:00.012 [SPEAKER_02]: We felt a little ownership of the city before we ever 42:00.652 --> 42:05.634 [SPEAKER_02]: started doing and he does as far as the post. 42:07.915 --> 42:24.023 [SPEAKER_02]: We walked into the new Reconposed Cafe and we seen the last night before the new Reconposed Cafe closed down for reconstruction and then they said next, you know, in a couple months, we're going to be at the Binary Post Reclub and we was like, yo, when they started, let's start going in. 42:24.543 --> 42:27.186 [SPEAKER_02]: And it wasn't even on some like, let's do poetry. 42:27.206 --> 42:31.772 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just like, we in the city already, let's press on to the club. 42:31.812 --> 42:32.653 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go do this. 42:32.693 --> 42:35.196 [SPEAKER_02]: This is more of my frequency. 42:35.256 --> 42:35.937 [SPEAKER_02]: I wave left. 42:35.997 --> 42:37.059 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a filmmaker. 42:37.159 --> 42:38.641 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a music artist. 42:38.661 --> 42:42.505 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's just like we're artists, let's engage in poetry. 42:43.927 --> 42:45.949 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we didn't even know it was a slam. 42:46.189 --> 42:47.611 [SPEAKER_02]: It wouldn't a competition. 42:47.911 --> 42:48.191 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 42:48.231 --> 42:52.215 [SPEAKER_02]: We think it's just like the open might, you know, poets go down and read and perform. 42:52.855 --> 42:54.817 [SPEAKER_02]: That was our first experience with slam. 42:55.058 --> 42:58.140 [SPEAKER_02]: So we, our first experience with poetry was competitive. 42:58.641 --> 42:59.221 [SPEAKER_02]: So we seen it. 42:59.241 --> 43:00.403 [SPEAKER_02]: We was just like, oh, they're judging. 43:00.423 --> 43:02.124 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, you judge poetry. 43:02.424 --> 43:03.686 [SPEAKER_02]: We didn't, we wasn't familiar with it. 43:03.706 --> 43:05.047 [SPEAKER_00]: We already had poems in the top. 43:05.107 --> 43:07.009 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was already, not really. 43:07.709 --> 43:08.590 [SPEAKER_00]: Not really. 43:09.531 --> 43:11.552 [SPEAKER_02]: Rose is a red vibe to blue. 43:11.772 --> 43:16.354 [SPEAKER_02]: The first

time I went in there, I did a song, I could pedal it. 43:16.914 --> 43:18.214 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I made it to the second round. 43:18.554 --> 43:18.955 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 43:19.075 --> 43:19.615 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, lit. 43:19.675 --> 43:21.055 [SPEAKER_02]: And I happened to have a poem. 43:21.135 --> 43:27.578 [SPEAKER_02]: I had maybe like three little poems or whatever short poems that I just wrote on some journaling, you know, tapeset. 43:28.198 --> 43:30.899 [SPEAKER_02]: And I read the poem out my phone. 43:31.940 --> 43:32.760 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, a hip-hop like, 43:33.400 --> 43:34.501 [SPEAKER_02]: ain't no reading the phone. 43:34.601 --> 43:35.342 [SPEAKER_00]: I've done that. 43:35.402 --> 43:36.262 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, some poetry. 43:36.282 --> 43:36.983 [SPEAKER_02]: I like fucking. 43:37.043 --> 43:37.583 [SPEAKER_02]: We could do this. 43:37.904 --> 43:38.184 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 43:38.224 --> 43:42.927 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm reading it and, you know, people's going crazy for that. 43:42.967 --> 43:43.648 [SPEAKER_02]: They're my son. 43:44.308 --> 43:44.569 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 43:44.769 --> 43:46.010 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like, oh, shit. 43:46.170 --> 43:48.211 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's because it's less typical. 43:48.231 --> 43:55.877 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't see that to my, didn't like I said, you, you have the, the, the physical makeup of you just noticed it's, it's some depth. 43:55.917 --> 43:58.099 [SPEAKER_00]: There's not surface level bullshit. 43:58.479 --> 43:58.940 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 43:59.020 --> 43:59.720 [SPEAKER_00]: On the surface. 44:01.101 --> 44:02.741 [SPEAKER_00]: You have show me peeling layers back. 44:02.781 --> 44:06.222 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get to the core. 44:06.642 --> 44:09.963 [SPEAKER_02]: That started my love affair with it even though it was like competition. 44:10.043 --> 44:14.004 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel way about it, but also like I used to play ball. 44:14.024 --> 44:17.925 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like it's nice to have a little bit of competitive past. 44:17.985 --> 44:20.086 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, it's not a perfect metric but 44:21.625 --> 44:32.892 [SPEAKER_02]: It's still you sharpened it so because everybody in this trying to compete, you know, with other venues or aspects of things like people that just, you know, I'm all for that too, like like express yourself. 44:33.332 --> 44:38.235 [SPEAKER_02]: But when you add the competitive aspect, then there's a quality show aspect to it. 44:38.755 --> 44:39.375 [SPEAKER_02]: We love that. 44:39.455 --> 44:45.159 [SPEAKER_02]: And then after a couple months of doing it, roll popped in, it was like, I'm with a poem one night and he killed it. 44:45.299 --> 44:45.519 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I see. 44:45.539 --> 44:46.440 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying? 44:48.508 --> 44:50.989 [SPEAKER_02]: Then it was just like, oh, he's two, who are these niggas? 44:51.129 --> 44:53.891 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was the niggas. 44:53.971 --> 44:54.671 [SPEAKER_02]: Where is that? 44:54.732 --> 45:04.217 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there was a lot of that, you know, so, and then I had a certain, we got a certain charisma just coming from Greenberg where it was just like this. 45:05.057 --> 45:11.962 [SPEAKER_02]: because we, that small town confidence, you know, it's like the only economy like, yeah, so he's like, oh, who are these niggas? 45:12.002 --> 45:14.564 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, I'm not from no borough, no Brooklyn, no brunt, none of that. 45:15.064 --> 45:20.288 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, we would go up there, do our thing with the poetry and people respected it. 45:20.588 --> 45:29.235 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, my following just was up, up, up, you know, when people, you know, were words started spreading now, we going to place in people like, yo, you've more of this talk. 45:29.915 --> 45:31.496 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was just trippy. 45:31.636 --> 45:38.519 [SPEAKER_02]: I've had a little bit of that up here in Westchester, but with the music, but having it in the city and you just, it was trippy. 45:39.200 --> 45:40.881 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just spiraled and spiraled. 45:40.941 --> 45:45.923 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I started winning a little more consistently and everything like that. 45:45.943 --> 45:48.584 [SPEAKER_02]: So now I'm in the Grand Slam Competition at the end of the year. 45:48.905 --> 45:51.886 [SPEAKER_02]: Tomorrow was in the Grand Slam Competition at the end of last year. 45:53.227 --> 45:57.989 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, we just started the... Tomorrow is the brain. 45:59.710 --> 46:05.013 [SPEAKER_02]: brain behind the monopolist and YC, and he just broke me on. 46:05.113 --> 46:07.755 [SPEAKER_02]: And now we doing things and throwing shows. 46:07.775 --> 46:11.657 [SPEAKER_02]: We're doing the workshop this Sunday, September, twenty-four, you know what I'm saying? 46:11.697 --> 46:13.678 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, so we branching out at different things. 46:13.718 --> 46:16.280 [SPEAKER_02]: We've taught in schools, me and Jamal taught in Harlem. 46:16.700 --> 46:17.680 [SPEAKER_02]: I taught in Brooklyn. 46:17.880 --> 46:20.842 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's just granted us a lot of blessings in our opportunities. 46:20.922 --> 46:23.744 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's built this community of mine. 46:23.944 --> 46:24.324 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 46:24.444 --> 46:25.545 [SPEAKER_00]: Be really, really lives hell. 46:27.200 --> 46:37.583 [SPEAKER_00]: Much of a creative you have to be at your core as authentic, this you just, your thoughts, write them down, compose it, deliver it, abundance. 46:37.723 --> 46:49.467 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think listening to the album, you see like, I was always a poet, you know, most of the album, all the album outside of me, but like two, three records was done before I started new poetry. 46:50.278 --> 46:50.818 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we need this. 46:50.838 --> 46:52.099 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready to hit out with mine. 46:52.180 --> 46:55.963

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready to hit out myself because you're just teasing me with this. 46:56.163 --> 46:58.665 [SPEAKER_00]: This, this, this, this, I've got them. 46:58.885 --> 46:59.966 [SPEAKER_00]: What was one song? 47:00.006 --> 47:00.927 [SPEAKER_00]: Could we get one track? 47:01.747 --> 47:07.552 [SPEAKER_02]: So, um, what like, like, the, uh, like, one song that's gonna be featured on album. 47:07.979 --> 47:19.610 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll talk about like, so the singles are what's our highway, which I just dropped the short film for, which was details, you know, like I was going through a breakup. 47:20.992 --> 47:29.019 [SPEAKER_02]: And even being removed from the breakup, I was able to kind of look at it and draw from it and paint something that I was just like, if I've 47:30.200 --> 47:33.403 [SPEAKER_02]: If I'm feeling this level of hurt, let me alcoholize it. 47:33.803 --> 47:35.124 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me turn this lead in the gold. 47:35.164 --> 47:38.786 [SPEAKER_02]: Let me turn this heartbreak into something that feels good. 47:39.607 --> 47:42.969 [SPEAKER_02]: Something that's beautiful and something that other people can resonate with. 47:42.989 --> 47:46.512 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're going through something, I even put an affirmation in the beginning of the record. 47:46.552 --> 47:47.513 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything gonna be okay. 47:47.873 --> 47:48.893 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything gonna be alright. 47:48.994 --> 47:49.734 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying? 47:49.794 --> 47:52.396 [SPEAKER_02]: And repeating that and I got to subconscious mind. 47:52.456 --> 47:53.697 [SPEAKER_02]: Question in it like, like, 47:53.957 --> 47:55.918 [SPEAKER_02]: You're saying that, like, you really feel that way? 47:55.958 --> 47:56.818 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's the key. 47:56.858 --> 48:00.620 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, in fighting that subconscious mind, like, not everything's going to be okay. 48:00.660 --> 48:01.201 [SPEAKER_02]: You got to feel it. 48:01.221 --> 48:01.861 [SPEAKER_02]: You got to feel it. 48:02.081 --> 48:02.861 [SPEAKER_02]: You got to feel it. 48:03.041 --> 48:03.582 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 48:03.682 --> 48:05.162 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's not for us going to show. 48:05.423 --> 48:06.083 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 48:06.103 --> 48:07.123 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was able to do that. 48:07.143 --> 48:10.305 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, people with people who've been loving it and people've been reaching out to me. 48:10.325 --> 48:12.426 [SPEAKER_02]: He's just telling me how much they appreciate the record. 48:12.926 --> 48:16.108 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, no context, Umar, which I dropped last year. 48:16.708 --> 48:43.331 [SPEAKER_02]: really deals with like post-pandemic just like your what the fuck was that you know that that feeling that chaos that we felt that confusion that your what's gonna happen tomorrow like what is happening with your police society you know I'm saying the government the the internet we chronically on the internet in

a different way everybody in the crib like what does that do the psyche so I tried to capture that chaos and my producer really labeled he was like yo yeah post-pandemic 48:44.693 --> 48:56.822 [SPEAKER_02]: just paranoia and confusion and so that record deals with that and just everything going on and changing deals with you know like the spiritual aspect. 48:56.862 --> 49:00.145 [SPEAKER_00]: You better drop this from all man. 49:02.506 --> 49:03.027 [SPEAKER_02]: I need it. 49:03.227 --> 49:05.389 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm ready to listen to it and take it there. 49:06.229 --> 49:07.070 [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of them. 49:07.110 --> 49:07.991 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really proud of it. 49:08.051 --> 49:09.813 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to share it out of you, too. 49:10.234 --> 49:11.155 [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you, brother. 49:11.235 --> 49:13.277 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, brother, for all I appreciate that. 49:14.118 --> 49:16.400 [SPEAKER_02]: It's for GB, you know, it's for the town. 49:16.481 --> 49:17.121 [SPEAKER_00]: It's for the town. 49:17.141 --> 49:17.502 [SPEAKER_00]: It's for the town. 49:17.522 --> 49:18.162 [SPEAKER_02]: It's for the town. 49:18.182 --> 49:19.163 [SPEAKER_02]: It's for the town. 49:19.184 --> 49:19.484 [SPEAKER_02]: It's for you. 49:19.524 --> 49:21.486 [SPEAKER_02]: I've had so many options on my family from the Bronx. 49:22.487 --> 49:23.088 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying? 49:23.128 --> 49:25.129 [SPEAKER_02]: nigga's gonna dig that for the win. 49:25.209 --> 49:27.130 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, never, never, never lose. 49:27.271 --> 49:27.651 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh wait. 49:27.791 --> 49:28.692 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh wait, nigga. 49:28.732 --> 49:29.412 [SPEAKER_02]: I remember y'all. 49:29.532 --> 49:30.053 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 49:30.333 --> 49:30.693 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 49:30.853 --> 49:32.574 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I got broke performing with me. 49:32.654 --> 49:35.637 [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna drop a new record at the performance. 49:40.620 --> 49:44.503 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, y'all remember, not ball-bomb and nigga, yeah, but not ball-bomb. 49:46.845 --> 49:47.766 [SPEAKER_02]: We love you, boy. 49:47.786 --> 49:49.747 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's something that we'll force you going. 49:49.767 --> 49:49.968 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 49:50.068 --> 49:51.929 [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, it's, we're gonna take the city over. 49:52.489 --> 49:53.530 [SPEAKER_02]: What you got going on the mall? 49:54.131 --> 49:56.373 [SPEAKER_02]: Tomorrow is the album Preview Party. 49:56.613 --> 49:59.215 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're gonna hear some songs or you just go show them. 49:59.235 --> 50:00.676 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 50:00.756 --> 50:02.938 [SPEAKER_00]: You can take, yeah, show them, come on. 50:03.338 --> 50:07.740 [SPEAKER_02]: The beautiful thing about tomorrow was it's also old to the poetry community, right? 50:07.780 --> 50:11.282 [SPEAKER_02]: So I got the grand slam champion from last year, somebody's mama. 50:11.802 --> 50:18.326 [SPEAKER_02]: I got, uh, old brother, Charms City, New York winner, um, the first Charms City, New York winner, slam competition. 50:18.906 --> 50:24.429 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, he's on the New York slam team that that ranked nationally the last two years. 50:25.029 --> 50:26.731 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's actually went my poetry coach. 50:26.751 --> 50:31.014 [SPEAKER_02]: He took me into more on to coach us and kind of give us some backdrop. 50:31.034 --> 50:35.437 [SPEAKER_02]: You're just like, I think it's just two towns and just be out here freestyling and y'all swinging wild. 50:35.477 --> 50:37.559 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, we need to actually train y'all. 50:37.619 --> 50:39.100 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know what I'm saying? 50:39.140 --> 50:46.086 [SPEAKER_02]: So I got him and somebody's mama performing their lead, you know, poets, poets. 50:46.126 --> 50:47.927 [SPEAKER_02]: I got you more performing and lead poets. 50:48.448 --> 50:52.451 [SPEAKER_02]: Mostly hosted by Marlowe, The Foggle, which just released her book. 50:53.291 --> 51:01.117 [SPEAKER_02]: Metamorphosis shout out to my home called to my sister She's gonna host him and perform a little bit hosted by DJ Breggard. 51:01.377 --> 51:02.177 [SPEAKER_00]: Where's this gonna be? 51:02.838 --> 51:04.959 [SPEAKER_02]: This is gonna be at seven house galleries in Brooklyn, New York. 51:04.979 --> 51:14.926 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah 51:15.106 --> 51:15.426 [SPEAKER_02]: Smooth. 51:15.686 --> 51:17.607 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would love to attend something like that. 51:17.667 --> 51:22.428 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I think the combination of poetry and New York, New York sound. 51:22.468 --> 51:24.108 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not having the original sound. 51:24.189 --> 51:26.449 [SPEAKER_02]: I like the drill stuff to be honest. 51:26.529 --> 51:27.870 [SPEAKER_00]: I like the way they sample. 51:28.090 --> 51:30.090 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love the way they sample. 51:30.110 --> 51:31.911 [SPEAKER_02]: The sexy drill, the orange drill. 51:31.931 --> 51:33.511 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 51:33.531 --> 51:34.611 [SPEAKER_02]: That's nice. 51:34.671 --> 51:36.692 [SPEAKER_02]: But I also think we need a sound like 51:38.014 --> 51:39.575 [SPEAKER_02]: drills not all sound, you know? 51:39.755 --> 51:48.221 [SPEAKER_02]: And as New York, where originators, where the innovators of this, and I think we need to hone in on forming all home sound. 51:48.241 --> 51:53.525 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the merging of the

poetry community and hip hop, I was, I sat with Abil, doing it in the last post. 51:53.605 --> 51:57.748 [SPEAKER_02]: And he was talking about how, you know, like the early hip hop albums is direct. 51:57.768 --> 52:03.212 [SPEAKER_02]: You go listen to the last post and be like, oh, their flow is the exact flow that's in here. 52:03.412 --> 52:04.573 [SPEAKER_00]: Who work and who am I? 52:04.633 --> 52:05.153 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, 52:07.375 --> 52:08.857 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a full circle moment. 52:08.957 --> 52:16.324 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's bring hip hop and poetry back together and really make New York shine again on on a different type of time. 52:25.772 --> 52:27.934 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, final words for the coach, man. 52:28.554 --> 52:28.915 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't. 52:29.155 --> 52:30.315 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to actually rap. 52:30.416 --> 52:31.236 [SPEAKER_00]: You rap last time. 52:31.256 --> 52:32.877 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to actually just spit upon. 52:33.518 --> 52:34.458 [SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, you got it. 52:34.478 --> 52:35.739 [SPEAKER_00]: You got a lot of going on. 52:35.759 --> 52:37.941 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm looking at, I want to hear your fresh. 52:38.121 --> 52:40.342 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm one night in that you're going to spit to ball. 52:40.783 --> 52:42.384 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm letting that you go recite the mod. 52:42.444 --> 52:43.204 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a rehearsal. 52:43.245 --> 52:44.285 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying? 52:44.305 --> 52:46.447 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you go give us some, give us some for the soul. 52:46.467 --> 52:50.209 [SPEAKER_00]: But final words for the coach, and I was looking forward to doing this episode. 52:51.250 --> 52:53.232 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we'll have to come back you. 52:53.892 --> 52:56.254 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm building like a little conscious panel. 52:56.735 --> 53:02.340 [SPEAKER_00]: Get them saying, we just build on different topics and get different perspectives. 53:02.400 --> 53:04.341 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I think I want to add you want to take it. 53:04.381 --> 53:06.243 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's healthy, that's healthy. 53:06.263 --> 53:10.126 [SPEAKER_00]: But final words for the culture, for the world, and nothing's normal. 53:11.007 --> 53:12.188 [SPEAKER_00]: And Marcus Stokes, man. 53:12.632 --> 53:13.292 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man. 53:14.773 --> 53:17.035 [SPEAKER_02]: Listen, New York is on an uptick. 53:17.055 --> 53:18.716 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm saying? 53:18.756 --> 53:21.477 [SPEAKER_02]: New York got something to say in a real way. 53:22.278 --> 53:25.440 [SPEAKER_02]: The poetry community in New York has something real to say. 53:26.200 --> 53:29.482 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, listen, twenty-one grams of forever. 53:30.323 --> 53:30.723 [SPEAKER_02]: G.B. 53:30.783 --> 53:32.404 [SPEAKER_02]: Wren't shit, ax niggas. 53:34.125 --> 53:37.207 [SPEAKER_02]: Shout out to the non-one foreign general. 53:38.648 --> 53:40.549 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's shake it up, man. 53:40.669 --> 53:41.149 [SPEAKER_02]: Poetry. 53:42.190 --> 53:43.912 [SPEAKER_02]: Niggas don't know how entertaining it is. 53:44.272 --> 53:45.954 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I like about this figure man. 53:45.974 --> 53:47.335 [SPEAKER_00]: He cursing all that man. 53:50.498 --> 54:02.951 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't stand it like you catch them cursing like by accident like when he lives or something like that like yeah because you know we constantly developing you know the foot pattern. 54:04.412 --> 54:25.350 [SPEAKER_02]: channeling I anger change my focus I'm a same or fuck word I'm a student you say I don't claim to be anything I ain't better than than than anybody I'm just I'm a vessel and I'm a real person I you know I'm saying we gods at the end of the day but as long as we in this human flesh for sure we die too it's the duality you know 54:25.970 --> 54:28.073 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be subject to sin as flesh. 54:28.353 --> 54:29.134 [SPEAKER_00]: That's another thing. 54:29.154 --> 54:46.453 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I want to get you back up here when you talk about spirituality and the higher power and you know, we worship flesh a lot of times or the messengers or the prophets or the people who carry the message and yeah, we are to worship them, but sometimes we we hold them on the too much. 54:47.234 --> 54:49.195 [SPEAKER_00]: Unhuman, like, judgment. 54:49.515 --> 54:49.796 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 54:50.176 --> 54:54.598 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm saying, I agree, absolutely, but so yeah, I definitely gonna definitely have to have you back. 54:54.638 --> 54:57.640 [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I've been saying that a lot lately, but we don't really work on that. 54:57.680 --> 55:00.241 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, I'm stressed all over the place. 55:00.301 --> 55:04.924 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be in a gym tomorrow. 55:05.024 --> 55:10.867 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not easy, but this is where, you know, I do, you're appreciative and grateful. 55:10.947 --> 55:13.949 [SPEAKER_00]: The world is not grateful, grateful for a team like mine. 55:14.789 --> 55:18.010 [SPEAKER_00]: to be able to have the luxury and the privilege to still do this. 55:19.190 --> 55:21.591 [SPEAKER_00]: Marcus Stokes, nothing's no more green leaf. 55:22.451 --> 55:23.691 [SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to everybody, man. 55:23.731 --> 55:24.392 [SPEAKER_00]: We love y'all. 55:24.412 --> 55:26.532 [SPEAKER_00]: This episode was dope, twenty-two bones. 55:26.612 --> 55:28.873 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not too sure what the expect from twenty-two. 55:28.953 --> 55:32.694 [SPEAKER_00]: I got to I did me because like I said, I got a relationship with the other side. 55:33.194 --> 55:35.195 [SPEAKER_00]: For y'all, I just got the way to that thing. 55:35.215 --> 55:36.355 [SPEAKER_00]: Drop, we didn't get a date. 55:36.875 --> 55:40.917 [SPEAKER_02]: fall time, the leaves of the tree, the leaves of the changed colors. 55:41.037 --> 55:42.517 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be a different color. 55:42.557 --> 55:43.698 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the beautiful picture. 55:43.738 --> 55:47.740 [SPEAKER_00]: Girl now, get you a boo, so might it lay out with you on a summer day. 55:47.940 --> 55:49.400 [SPEAKER_00]: Get you a boo, so merge. 55:49.440 --> 55:50.181 [SPEAKER_00]: We can write ads. 55:50.201 --> 55:52.362 [SPEAKER_00]: We getting hoodies, nothing's normal. 55:52.502 --> 55:54.303 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything just hit Alex up. 55:54.363 --> 55:55.523 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't ask me no questions. 55:55.643 --> 55:56.844 [SPEAKER_00]: Everything goes to Alex. 55:58.344 --> 55:59.765 [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, we out of here.