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want to watch? And McVeigh is like, nothing, you know, no more you know, serial killer, mass murder or true crime. I'm not looking for that. What I was like, well, I've got a murder show, but it's more like comedy than murder. So he had never seen White Lotus. She had never seen White Lotus. Que up White Lotus if you want to ask what a wild night in LA with the hottest couple in the city is, like, we watched four hours worth of White Lotus, just just just armand the the hotel manager just crushing it. Um. It was awesome and it basically it was like nine o'clock midnight Eastern. I'm like, all right, I gotta I gotta go home, got an uber home, and you know, the next day I'm on show. Then everyone's asked me, what was it like hanging with Nick Bay? Where'd you go? Would the TMZ We watched an HBO Prestige TV show from a year ago. We just watched four hours of it, like cuddling like a family. You binged four hours of White Lotus. Did you skip the intro or did you watch the intro every time? Well, skip the intro. He's on the controls. Theme song is great and you get the music and the visuals. But I'm talking about the scenes from last week. And McVeigh is the kind of guy who will never give up play calling. It's the kind of guy that says, I'm going to take a back seat, Like it's funny watching a TV show with that guy because he's got to control the remote and you know, he's got the whole hook up with his around sound all this stuff. But I'll say this from a football standpoint, like it's not as much dooming gloom as I imagine. I thought I was gonna be going over there, and I've known Sean for many years, and I think he would say it. We're very close friends and we talk a lot. But I thought I was coming in and part of my hat was gonna be like lifting him up and just telling him, you know, you're three and three and look at the Niners. They're three and three and you could beat the Seahawks and all that stuff. And you know, whether I believe it or not, playing that role, he wasn't looking for that. He was in a good place, and I think he knows there's eleven games left in the regular season and a lot of this story has not been written. So last year's rise was great and the wind was amazing in the Super Bowl, but like, if they can pull something out of what they are right now, that might be an even greater coaching job from him, and I'm not certain he can. I think the stack and the chips are stacked against him in a lot of ways. But gosh, and when you look at the NFC, Buccaneers lose to the Panthers, the Packers lose to the Washington Commanders. You've got the teams that everyone thought would be good, the Niners at three and four, you know, besides the Eagles at six and oh and maybe the Cowboys. Like none of the teams that were written to be great before the season have done anything. The Vikings are five and one, and I don't even know what that team is. So I think the Rams are still very much alive, and I'll pick him against most of the coaches in this

league in a big spot. All right, Aaron, you're ready for four downs? I am, all right, Let's go fire away first down. Speaking of the NFC, who deserves the most credit for what Seattle is doing right now? Seattle is the best story in football if you ask me. I know, we're in New York and Giants and Jets are getting a lot of love, but no one, no one had the Seahawks doing anything this year. Remember they traded Russell Wilson in a fourth round pick and got back Drew Locke, Shelby Harris Noah Fense twenty two first round pick, which ended up being their star tackle, Charles Cross, a twenty twenty two second round pick. They also got a twenty twenty two fifth round pick. They also got next year's first round pick. They also got next year's second round pick. And what they end up doing they hit home runs at every spot. I'm going to give John Schneider, the longtime general manager, some credit here. As much as we want to talk up Gino and we will, Schneider looked at this thing. He had a nine man draft class. He gets Terek Woolen one hundred and fifty third over all, the guys todd to the league, league and interceptions. He gets Kobe Bryant, Yes that's his name, Kobe Bryant, who lined up across from Sauce Gardner at Cincinnati. He's a starting corner, had a pick last week against the Chargers. He gets two starting offensive tackles and Charles Cross and Abraham Lucas. And then he gets Kenneth Walker, who is the sensation of the league. Ran for about one hundred and seventy three yards and put the game on ice. With that touchdown against the Chargers, I think the Seahawks front office deserves a lot of credit. And Pete Carroll two, I mean Pete Carroll. He could have easily packed it in to the Russell Wilson era. I've been like, all right, I'm not here for the rebuild. There hasn't been much of a rebuild. They're four and three, they're in first place in the division. And John Schneider, who was quiet throughout this entire thing, did not pile any dirt on Russell Wilson. This guy released Bobby Wagner and people went nuts and kind of was like, yeah, Bobby's been a great pro, but it's been time to move on. They replenished this roster so quickly with young talent, and they're all performing. And they're four and three. We are in Week eight in the Seattle Seahawks, but Geno Smith and a bunch of rookies, five of them making starting appearances on Sunday. Those rookies, they are in first place in the NFC West and if the playoffs were to start today, they would be hosting a playoff game. Absolutely incredible. John Schneider, one of the great talent of talent evaluators, but in this case, I think he des there's a lot of credit, even though he's not one who's going to run in front of a microphone all right, from a good vibe to maybe not as good of a vibe. Second down, What do you make of Kyler and Cliff on the sideline yelling at each other right there on National TV? Fascinated by it? I think Cliff took the high road in a lot of ways. But there was a little

line there in the press conference afterwards where he said like it's very gen Z and I'm like, daw we go, here we go. There's something there, gen Z. I mean Kyler, from what I gather, obviously, was hearing Cliff in the headset and was yelling Adam, you know, f and calm down and calm down. And it's one thing to do that in a practice. It's another thing to do that in the locker room. It's another thing on Thursday Night football with the entire nation watching to be screaming at your head coach dropping fbombs. Here is what I will say. NFL Films has been filming hard Knocks in season with the Arizona Cardinals the entire season. It premiers November eighth. I am fascinated to see what they captured and what they show us. The cutting room floor stuff could be even more interesting because I think Cliff and Kyler, as much as Cliff drafted Kyler and as much as Kyler you know, has known Cliff since since Cliff recruited him out of high school, I think that thing is not in a good place. And I think Kyler, in a lot of ways, people enjoyed seeing him show a little emotion, little fire. It's okay to curse once in a while. It's okay to tell your coach off. It's the heat of the moment. As long as you guys patch it up and it's like there's a mutual respect. I'd love to know what's going on in that building from Monday to Saturday, and not just on the Sundays. And I think Hard Knocks the NFL producers, what are we doing if we're not capturing at all and showing us the real uncut stuff. This can't be a puff piece on the Arizona Cardinals. It's very rare that we get hard knocks, and it's hey, here are all the warts and here are all the wounds. I would imagine that the team has some approval process in the editorial, but like, gosh, when you get a moment like that, penny for your thoughts. But like I would love love to see everything that went into that dust up, but also the fallout afterwards. Cliff and Kyler probably not in a great place right now, and as we talk about it right in the thick of the NFC all right down, can you just explain to me what the call was at the end of the Browns game. Yeah. I can't explain it without going to my sources. So obviously I work with a lot of people in the league at the league office, I work with my Prayer and Dean Blandino who work at Fox. I reached out to a few folks and I will say this, I'm not going to name the source on this, and it's none of those guys who explained it. And he said, here's the deal. There actually were two false starts by the offense on that play. The center dropped his head and moved the ball at the same time, and that caused the defensive reaction where you saw Klais Campbell come on in. But also the left tight end moved before any of the other offensive players, and you can't do that. And this is where it gets really in the weeds with the rule book and at home, like none of us know this. That left tight end is not protected since he has more than two and a half positions from the point where the defense and did the neutral zone all right, So if Klais Campbell enters that thing two and a half positions away, that guy, that left tight end is still susceptible to being a penalty. So the center lifted his head false start the left tight end, he moved false start. Unfortunately, the refs in the field, they announced that sixty eight, the left guard, was at fault. He didn't move at all. So it's very hard to a fact. At Brown's fans are like, the league is screwing us, the league hates us. Spoke to someone who knows, and this guy who's looked at it time and time again, was telling me, here's the deal. Two different false starts, one by the center, one by the left tight end. They just identified the wrong guy on the broadcast, and sixty eight did nothing wrong. He didn't move. He was fine as for picking up a flag on the Jacoby Brissette roughing the passer something I've never seen before, roughing the passer that could have changed the game. And then they said ad actually was no flag. Yeah, I don't know about that. One guy's all right, fourth down. Who do you want to give a shout out to you this week? I want to give a shout out to my lovely wife, Erica. All right, this is not just me trying to get brownie points. Let me explain my wife, Erica's weekend. So, as I just mentioned, I fly out to Los Angeles every weekend to work on the Fox show I love it. It's with Sean Payton, it's with Charissa Thompson, who's an absolute rock star. And it's with Michael Vick and Charles Woodson, two guys who I had their posters up when I was a kid. It's like I'm living my dream. Meanwhile, I've got my wife back home and she's a single mother on the weekends with my son, mel who's now a rambunctious six year old who has the curiosity like you've never seen, in the energy I've never seen. And it's his birthday this weekend, and all he wanted to do was see Lamar Jackson play in person his first NFL game. I work for the NFL. There is no way that my kid is requesting seeing Lamar Jackson playing a game that we're not making that happen. My wife traveled from New York City to Baltimore, took my son to a Raven's Brown's game, sat in the crowd with my guy, and my son had the greatest birthday gift you could ever imagine. Shout out to the Ravens staff, who I gave them a little heads up. I didn't want any big to do. I don't want to, but they came buying him a pin that said my first game. I cannot tell you how happy and how proud I was to see my offspring be in love with the game of football. I would I do this for a living and live and die with it every single day. The Ravens obviously win. My little guy mel had a blast. But it doesn't happen if I don't have a partner in crime who's like, yeah, cool, let's go to a football game on a Sunday, though the first thing I want to do, especially in Baltimore, Let's go. They got back yesterday and I think I thanked her, but this is I say, I think, because who knows. I probably was, you know, bitching about something else, but I would

like to thank her on this podcast, Aaron, was that romantic? Was that nice? That went beautiful? Yeah? I love that, and especially last week you and Paul talks about Paul's first football game. Your sent will remember this forever. That's that's great. Yeah, Daddy wasn't there? Okay, Now do you have a shout out for me? Yeah? So I was texting with some of my friends about football, and one of them is a diehard Giants fan, and he, you know, is texting me like pre written apology notes to Daniel Jones, like if you fill in the blanks, I'm sorry, Daniel Jones. I made fun of you for this. But I want to call out Daniel Jones because, like he looks so much more comfortable in the pocket, and right now, through seven weeks, he's got more rushing yards and three times as many rushing touchdowns as Naji Harris. Like he's a weapon. He's not someone that we necessarily expected to grow this season, I think, and so I think the Giants kind of did too, because they declined his fifth year option. So I kind of wanted to ask you, what are the Giants going to do next year? Great question? Yeah, you could celebrate. Daniel Jones knew the parade down Broadway and then all of a sudden, you know, the eggs accept the hatch, and it's like, well, now what do we do? Who? We didn't expect this. It's been a great and he's been outstanding, playing within himself and doing what he does best. I told the story on Ryan Rusilo's podcast earlier this week. I'm gonna tell it again here. A lot of times when coaches get shown the door, coaches get fired or general managers get fired, I'll shoot them a note and just say, hey, if there's anything you ever could possibly need from me, And usually it's nothing, but if it's a reference, if it's a contact, like I'm here, whatever. So I shot Joe Judge a note when he got fired by the Giants, and it was a tumultuous week for him, and he pretty quickly shot back and was like, let me give you a call, and we spoke and Judge, who say what you want about him? As at the end there like this is a good dude. I have nothing but good things to say about Joe Judge, and he could have very easily buried Daniel Jones. Instead, he was like, hey, one thing, you're on that show all offseason. You do that Good Morning Football. Like Daniel Jones is tough as nails. Make sure people know that Daniel Jones comes prepared to work every day he takes a beating behind that offensive line. And this guy never complains, always prepared, always the right demeanor, never out of control, never calls anyone out, and doesn't get too down either, like I'm not sure it's going to work in New York. And this was, you know, from Joe Judge. I think he wouldn't mind me saying this. He's like, but that dude, that dude's the real deal. And I remember being like, well, that's cool, because like you could have easily buried your former quarterback and said he wasn't good enough for us to win, but he didn't. Fast forward to this year. If Daniel Jones gets injured, Daniel Jones gets hit,

Daniel Jones lowers his shoulder and like he just gets up for another down. I have so much respect for Daniel Jones. And now there's this question, what do you do with him. Here's what the options are. You can let Daniel Jones walk test free agency, twenty five year old quarterback who just had a good season, whatever it ends up being. He let him walk and he could either start somewhere else or fight for a starting job or be a backup. We'll see. You could sign him to the mega extension, say twenty five to forty million dollars a year. I don't think he's gonna get forty million, but I think if Daniel Jones was offered twenty five to thirty over the next few years, I think his agency and him would would think long and hard about it. Or you can franchise tag him. And franchise tagging him sounds like the move because it's a one year more commitment of like, all right, prove yourself. But the problem with franchise tagging him is that quarterbacks make so much money right now. It's the average of the top five salaries at the position. So if Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray and Aaron Rodgers are all making forty million, and that means you might have to pay Daniel Jones thirty eight to forty million dollars a year. If you franchise tag him for that one year and then he can still leave the next year if he has an outstanding season, because well, unless you give him that long term contract, he don't own the rights to him. I think the Giants are gonna wait this thing out. I think They're going to see how far they can take this. And I think it's a really smart conversation to have. If Daniel Jones can get them to the playoffs, I think that's about what I would need to see just get him to the playoffs. I think that's fair. I think you start at that twenty five to thirty million all the range. I know that might sound ghastly, but if you look at some of the numbers and other quarterbacks are making, it's below market for a starting quarterback in the NFL. And then you see what he says, and then if you go back and forth, well then you have a real contract negotiation. And guess what, Daniel Jones, I don't think anyone had us having this conversation back in August. Yeah, I also was never expecting that from Daniel Jones. But I am very excited for our next guest, near and dear to my heart with the Buffalo Bills. Why don't you te us up for who we've got coming on. Yeah, I'm excited for this guest, all right. So when I started this podcast, I'm like, I want to do some different types of guests, and we've already seen two different flavors in our first two weeks. We had Robert Sala, head coach of an NFL team. We got to know him on a personal level, and I thought that was really cool. Then we got Paul Rudd in here for ninety minutes, and Paul Rudd was awesome, and that's a celebrity fan. The third bucket. I want to hit this and I want to get a bunch of these guys on. It's the up and coming coach. It's the up and coming guy that you're going to be hearing about for

the next decade of your life, says football fans. But you might not know yet. So I was happy when this guy agreed to be a guest this week, Ladies and gentlemen, I'm happy to introduce my guy, Ken Dorsey, Buffalo Bill's offensive coordinator and former Miami Hurricane legend. Let's take a listen. Our next guest was a standout quarterback at the University of Miami. From nineteen ninety nine to two thousand two. This man had a record of thirty eight into the winningest quarterback in Miami history, and he won the National Championship in two thousand and one. He was in the NFL, he went into coaching, and now he is the offensive coordinator of one of the most amazing offenses in the league. Ladies and gentlemen, let's introduce Ken Dorsey to the Peter Schrager Podcast. Yeah, we doing. Thanks for having me, dude. I love that you're joining us because so often during the season we get all like into it and we're saying this guy is the coach of the year, and this guy is the next ecod it, and then it's like, who are the next faces? Who are the next guys? Who are the ones that we should be talking about? Who are going to be the next decade of great NFL head coaches in this league? And I I've been very candid with you and very candid on Good Morning Football, and I think you've got all the right stuff. Take us briefly through the path from going from player to coach and what that decision was like for you as you entered the sport at a different level and a different hat. Really. Yeah, No, it was obviously a long journey from college playing at University of Miami and then go and playing three years in San Francisco, three years in Cleveland. And I always kind of took the mentality of I didn't know I was going to get into coaching at that time, but I took you in mentality of, hey, I could walk outside, get hit by a car and never play football. What am I going to do? You know? So honestly coached high school football there until opportunity with in the scouting department with the Carolina Panthers came up, and I started off in the pro scouting department, which was eight for me because then it's you know, you're really looking at both sides of the ball. You're scouting offense, defense, special teams, so you're really kind of looking at at all aspects of a play offensive line, defensive line, you know. So so learned a lot through that experience that that I really think kind of helped me to the coaching side of things, and was fortunate enough to get the quarterback coach job there and we had a good run and then uh and then came here to Buffalo and pick it up from there and uh continue rolling with some tweaks and some some different looks. Yeah, and you had that career as the scout, as you said, and then you go with Cam Newton. Um, here is this physical specimen like we'd never seen in the NFL, that quarterback. You're the quarterbacks coach for Cam Newton, one of the biggest personalities in the league. You guys go fifteen and one, that one magical super

Bowl season. But when you get a guy like Cam Newton and your quarterback and when you were playing pocket guy and then you have this guy that does things at our super human how did you have to bend and mold your versions of what you envisioned an NFL offense to camp strings. It's a little bit of learning on the fly, you know. And the great thing about at the end of the day, you've got to be able to win and succeed from the pocket and do things you know from the pocket in order to have to sustain success over the course of time. And so that carries over no matter who the quarterback is, whether it's a more mobile guy or a true pocket passer guy, You've got to be able to develop your mechanics from the pocket and be effective from there while not taking away that ability to create and what those guys, you know, what makes them special and what makes them who they are, not not limiting that and not taking away. So it's definitely a balancing act of okay, making sure that they can operate everything they need to from within the pocket, but not handcuffing them and forcing him into something that they're not. Josh Allen is such a special individual, and he's such an important piece to this league, and he's such a good player. You're with him every day. Yeah? Is he as good as? It's as good as? I think the NFL could not draw two greater ambassadors for the sport than Mahomes and Alan Alan. This guy seems like he's missed everything and he's just a wonderfully gracious human being. Is am I just glowing for no reason? Is there a bad side to this guy? No? I mean he really is? He just I think he's exactly what you'd want in a franchise quarterback in terms of obviously the physical skill set that everybody sees, but then you know how he is with his teammates, what he does, you know, in his preparation, the dedication he has to the organization and to the just the area of Western New York and Buffalo in general. I mean, I'm very fortunate because I think he's obviously one of the one of the great players in our league, and working with him day and day out as a blast, you know, one because he is who he is, and two he's just a great guy to be around. When he leaves his feet like he did against Kansas City or Minnesota, do you hold your breath and go what do you do it? Or is it like buckle up, let's go. Well, it's it's obviously you know, there's a lot of moments where it's just Josh being Josh and doing Josh type things. So you know, you you rolish that and you appreciate that, you know, because there's you're not always going to have the perfect play called. You just won't. I mean, in the in the nature of calling a game, it's just there's gonna be plays that they might have a better call than you. And you gotta trust your guys that they you know, they know how to react, they know what to do. And Josh does an amazing job of getting us out of some some tough looks and creating and putting a lot of stress on the defense. Take us back in time when you knew, like,

did this guy's special A practice, a story, a game. I'll always think back to twenty eighteen, Week three, you guys go into Minnesota and he hurtles Anthony barn I'm like, not a lot of quarterbacks do that. Um, yeah, but that was with his legs. That wasn't even scratching the surface. When did you know that this dude is different? I mean really really the second I got here, to be honest with you, just watching him and how he reacts by first meeting with him. You know, there's times you go through and it's like you go through your power Point. I'm a big PowerPoint guy, you know, I like point, let's go organization, you know, making sure we're we're organized, were on top and everybody knows kind of you know, what's your thought processes. So you know, I'm going through PowerPoint with them and just kind of our our mentality, our thought process, and just how locked in he was, you know, with the first day, and just how intune he is to the coaching. You know, throughout that first offseason, I had with them, I knew like, Okay, this guy wants to learn and get better, Like this guy really wants to to, you know, continue to grow as a player, not only physically but mentally. As a coach, you appreciate that. You want guys who are striving to just maximize their what they have, you know, whether it's a high ceiling or not a high ceiling, because not everybody is as physically gifted as as the guy next to them. But as a coach, if you've got a bunch of guys who are trying to maximize their ceiling and accepting the coaching, then that's all you could ask for. And Josh embodies that, you know. So I knew it then. And then, honestly, you know, after that my first year here, we went to the playoffs against Houston and then we had a really good first half and then obviously in the second half we kind of lost it. But after that game, I just knew, like he has the right makeup, you know, because he stood up in front of in front of everybody and said, look, you know, we gotta be better. I gotta be better, you know, and he owned the fact that, hey, we didn't lose, not necessarily all on him, but you know, he knew that in order for us to take the next step, he's got to take the next step. And I think he owned that moment. And I think that's where you realize guys grow from those that they handle it the right way. No, it's deep cut like Bill's talk. But like that game, it seemed like there was like a short circuit for Josh, like at halftime and then he threw that really ill advised lateral and I think that was on National TV. It was a Saturday afternoon, and like there was a lot of Okay, he's good athletically, but maybe and then the next two seasons he's just been you know, mistin free, disciplined. And I was there at talk like over the art. Do you think that's just naturally is like the maturation of a quarterback. I really believe that when you look at quarterbacks coming into the league, there are so many good ones. There are so many guys with a tremendous skill set and ability, you know, and you need the right mental makeup at which Josh has. But then it also becomes okay, you know, reps, reps and reps not only in practice, but in games, and the more game reps you get, the more it's easy just to be like react and it's hey, all right, I've got this play. I know versus coverage, it's not the best play, all right, so where's my outlets? And it's just quick to an outlet, you know, knowing that, hey, I'm not going to pass something up, just hoping for something better. And I think the more reps you get, the more you see things, and the more it's harder to surprise a guy because you've seen different variations of whether it's Tampa two or postie zones or Man's with different type of rat players or robbers in the middle. You know you've seen these different things, so less surprise to you, and you're quicker to react to things. And the quicker you are to react, the quicker the ball comes out, the more stress you put on a defense. And I think that's you see that in the maturation of guys. All those older quarterbacks who have been able to stay in the league for so long, they get back, they hit that fifth step and they're dropping Bam, the ball's coming out and they're a checkdown or they're ripping a seam or something like that. But it's because they know, you know, they know on this play versus this coverage, I've got a shot at this or I don't have a shot at this, so they can eliminate that and move on. Well, it's like, you know, people laugh about how much money Chase Daniels made in this league or your guy case Keenum, and these guys will always had a Josh McCown. There's a reason they're great in the locker room. They're great in the quarterbacks room. They're also reliable when you put them in. They're not going to cost you a game. That was Drew Stanton for years. You're stating, always had a spot an NFL roster. Take us through your quarterback room, because I know it's not just you're in that room now, Joe Brady is in that room as well. Uh, what's it like, what's the dynamic case, Josh, Joe, you and I think Barkley might be in there too. That's there. Yeah, Yeah, this is a cool room. What do we got? It really is? It's a and and that's a great thing about it. You know, you've got Josh obviously with his experiences, but you've got a got a group of guys with tremendous experience, you know, and and been through a lot of things. I mean obviously bark Was had been here and then left and then came back, and we played him like three or four times last year alone, like you know, he kept bouncing around and ended up on teams that we were playing. Um, you know. So it's it's funny because like he has that perspective of teams that played us and kind of how they saw that's cool. You know, it's a it's a really cool perspective. And then he got case who's you know, he's been through good times and tough times and uh, you know, brought a team to the playoffs and and you know, he embodies you know, when you think back

to the Minneapolis Miracles, you know type game, he embodies the fact of, hey, if you just keep keep chipping away, if you don't get too high, you don't get too low, and you stay right here, you never know what's going to happen in the game because so many times it comes down to the last two minutes of the fourth quarter. And he just embodies that from that game, you know. So it's like he has that he has that ability to talk to Josh and be like, hey, yeah, we might be down seven ten, uh, you know, whatever it is or up, Like you've got to keep your foot on the gas. You gotta stay you know, stay level, stay focused on Hey, it's this drive. And because he's been there, he's lived that, so that experience is awesome. And then Joe Brady coming in coaching those guys. Did you know Joe beforehand? Or because he was just wonder Kim in the league, like you talked about LSU and then Sean Hayton raped about him and guess the job at Carolina at such a young age, did you know him? So we you know, just through coaching ranks and getting to know him combine and all that stuff. You know, it's uh, And that's where those things are so beneficial because you never know kind of how things unfold throughout the league. Soviously it didn't work out for him in Carolina, and it's lucky for us because he brings this great knowledge of just the things they've done in New Orleans and the things that he did obviously at LSU and then took with him. So I mean it's great. And the thing that's really beneficial for us is what we wanted to do this offseason with the coaching staff is we have our system and what we've run for for multiple years, but it's really helped prevent us from being stale by bringing some new stuff, yeah, from outside the system who haven't necessarily been there, whether it's a Joe Brady or an Aaron Cromer who hadn't been in the system before. It really has kind of infused some newness, some new ideas, which you know, helps those guys in the off season two of like, Okay, it's not the same old stuff. It's you know, it's something new, something that they could say and tangible where you can look at and say, look, this is why we're doing it and why it's going to help us win. And then it's like, okay, that makes sense and we could buy into this. Bro. That's such a good take because Week one, you guys play the Rams and it's like super Bowl Champions for us, a team that everyone's hot on, and it was like it felt like it was nine months of just the frustration boiling over from that loss. Agains a Chiefs and it was like builds a palooza. Here we are and this is everything and you were so dialed in with those play calls. It was not the same offense we saw last year. It was almost like, let me show you what I got. You know, here we go. Did you feel that, like that opening week game, going into that with Thursday night football and all the bright lights, like, Hey, we're gonna stake our flag on this season and here's what we're about. Yeah. And obviously anytime you open up against such a great opponent, I mean, they're the Super Bowl chance for a reason, and they are i mean coaching staff wise, player wise, you know, it's it's it really kind of forces you in the off season to really have a different level of focus when you're opening up with a game like that, you know, and and it really created that, I think for everybody throughout the off season. So, uh, it was. It was a great environment. And yeah, I think that was It's part of it because when whenever you take over an offense, it's like, yeah, you're gonna take over. But you always want to infuse your personality. You always want to fuse what the things you believe in, the things you want to kind of incorporate, whether it's stuff in the past, Lawyer, it was five years ago. I was like, I kind of like this but didn't quite get in, and we want I want to take a look at it, and I believe in it. But but I think that way, if you do that, guys buy in a lot better because you're not trying to be something you're not. You gotta be yourself, you got to you gotta do what you believe in, and that creates a lot more buy in. I think from from your guys. You know, when when you're doing what you believe in and they understand why, it's a lot easier for those guys to be all in and one hundred percent behind every single call you make because they understand that it's it's a really cool time in the league and that we're seeing a lot of that concepts from college come in. But also you see some teams still use a fullback, if you see some teams go five wide, Like it's so varied, and I look at all the young offensive head coach is in the league right now, whether it be Mike McDaniel down in Miami who's waited his time and now has his opportunity, 'll floor up in Green Bay McVeigh obviously, Zach Taylor and Cincinnati. We can go through it. You're a young offensive mind who's getting a lot of eyeballs right now. If you're talking to other coaches, and a lot of the listeners to this are you know, coaches within the NFL, but young coaches at the youth level. How do you just hang tight, be patient and know that your time is gonna come. What is your message? Because now you're the OC of the number one offense in the league, and it's like everyone's talking about Ken Dorsey as has this great offensive mind. But it did not happen overnight. You earned your earned your seat at the table over years of grinding it out different jobs. What's your message to someone who might be kind of hitting that wall right now. It's a great question, and everybody has dreams and aspirations. I go back to college a little bit in my mind on this, and in college, obviously we had a great run and everybody wanted to ask, like, Okay, you know, do you think you're what round? Do you think you're going to get drafted? Okay, what do you think you should win? The Heisman Trophy and all this stuff? And my mentality has always been if the team has success, all that our stuff takes care of itself. The only

thing that matters is to me is the team's success. Because if if I'm focused on those things and the team wins and I maybe miss out on that opportunity, but I'm still locked in on the team and we win because of that, I can live with myself. What I can't live with is if I'm worried about this other stuff and I'm not one hundred percent focused on the team and all of a sudden we lose a game that maybe cost us a chance to be in the National Championship, that I couldn't live with. I wouldn't be able to live with myself, you know. So if I if I miss out on something because I'm one hundred percent focused and committed to our team success, then then I can live with. I can live with that. I love that answer. We not me. I know McVeagh has that plastered all over in Los Angeles. That's their whole facility is we not me. And after you get a little success, and the Rams did have a lot of success, that there starts to be a little bit and then we go to Buffalo, We're starting to see some guys get a little recognition. How do you keep them humbled. Josh included, how do you keep them humbled? The Hey, we haven't done squad yet, Well, I think it's one. Uh what what Sean and Brandon have been able to do? Bring in the right people. I mean this is as as good of a as a team I've been around in terms of one, you know, bring in talented guys, but then also tremendous people, Guys who are you know, committed to each other, uh, committed to the one common goal, you know. And I think that's just through through character and through through bring in people that that fit the culture and which those guys and us and as an organization are trying to build. I think that's huge. And then at the same time, our guys understanding, look, I mean we haven't won anything yet. I mean it's such a it's such a week to week league. We've got to be so focused on this week and the right now, because if you don't take that mindset, then you're not going to have the sustained success that you want because you're constantly looking ahead or you're constantly looking back. You've got to focus on right now, and you've got to live in the moment right now. Otherwise you have no chance to accomplish what you want to accomplish in the future. Can we go through a little story of time, because that Miami team was my favorite college football team. I've got friends who are like, I like Charlie Ward Nebraska, or I you know, Charlie Ward Florida State, or I like Tommy Frasier Nebraska. I'm like, give me book, David Larry Coker Canes football, no doubt. Could you for the listener who might be a little younger or might not be as into the college game, can you just go through some of the players on the team from that from that squad, it was fun. I mean my first couple of years being able to throw with guys to the Reggie Waynes and the Santana Mosses, the Jeremy Shocky's, you know, and those guys and shoot. In the National Championship game, Willis mcgahey was playing fullback for US. Who are the other running backs? Who else did you have had Willis mcgahey, Clinton, Porus? Uh, Frank Gore Um? You know? So yeah, those guys were in our back our backfield and wide receivers were who Reggie Wayne and Johnson? Uh? Santana Moss and then Andre Andre was the backup who kind of killed those guys need a break. We had a guy named Andrea King who was our slot receiver, played in the league and winslow well. So Kellen came in as a as a wide receiver, played wide receiver early on, and then once Shocky left, moved to tight end. So I had Kellen my senior year, and then on on. On defense, it was a whole other You had the Ed Reids and the Sean Taylors and Vince Woolf forks Um, Mike Rump and Philip Buchanan who were first round corners, Johnathon Jonathan Villam and Dan morgan Um. I mean, it's it's when you look back at like those games and you see kind of like a team picture. It really is ridiculous and uh just unbelievably special kind of what that group was able to together. And and honestly, the thing I really learned from it too was those guys like like Ed Reid didn't come in as like at five star Yeah yeah, you know, I mean, like he came in as as a freshman like every other freshman. What made Ed Reid ed Reid was one the amount of work it took, and then to the culture in which was built of just the competition and every day it was a knockdown, drag out in practice like every day like it was a mission in my life to beat at Reid, you know, and get them on something and score touchdowns against that defense like it was. It was just a competitive atmosphere that really drove a mentality of constantly getting better every single day. Your best Jeremy Shockey story in sixty seconds, what do you got? Oh man? Uh well, obviously, like the one thing that that always sticks out to me is just, uh, Larry Coker comes up to me and he goes, hey, you know, we got this guy coming in from from at Oklahoma, small town, you know, and I don't know, you know, I don't know how well he's gonna fit it, adjustice, So yeah, how's he going to adjust everything? It was jaredy shocky and he let's say, he fitted just fine in the Miami area and on that team, so you didn't have any issues. Sean Taylor memories anything that sticks out. He was so amazing just in terms of early on, you knew this kid was getting that he seeking miss play the whole time, you know, and just I mean he was unbelieved. Just when you when you're back there, it's like just the size and range in which he had was incredible, you know, and instincts and everything, so you always remember those things and just the the physical tools. And then also, like I said, just the type of guy he was, like, he's just a you know, a guy that you just want to spend time with and hang out with. He was. He was a good dude. You know. Um, let's go forward to the Miami game. Obviously we see this video of you getting frustrated. I kind of liked it. I think Josh Allen liked it. I don't want that to be like the persona of Ken Dorsey of like

this guy up in the box. What's been the fall out of that the last comas and have you leaned into it or are you like, let's move on from that. Because we had Robert Sala in week one and he made it or the first episode and he had a comment about, you know, I'm taking taking receipts for everyone whose question does and I asked Hi about it, and he's like, you know, honestly, I didn't love that. I said, that, and I hope it goes away the clip with you, like, I kind of liked the intensity, but I don't know if that's how you wanted to be represented on you know, future interviews being asked about that, No, no doubt. And I think you know, you learn from your experiences, and we're human, you know, and we all we all have reactions as human beings. You know, you get frustrated or or whatever it is that you're like, I wish I had handled that differently, you know, and that's one of them. And when you were you're in the course of a game like that and you're playing, you know, your your guys were giving you you know, they're hard and soul out on the field, you know, and every single ounce of everything they have, um, you know, and you're playing ninety plays in that heat and you're losing guys and other guys are having to step in and uh and and perform at a high level in which they did. You know, you're you're kind of your your commit your guys and and you're you know, you love those guys and you appreciate everything they're doing for you. So you know, at the time, it's like when when the game ends, and you lose in a in a tough way. You're you're frustrated, you're you're upset, and you know, but you learn and you learn from it and you're like, Okay, I need to make sure I handle this in a different way. But at the same time, you're never going to take the the burning desire to win out of the game for you. I loved about it, and you didn't swear on camera. I was like, I kind of liked it. I'm like, all right, this Bill's team and that coach up there, they're pissed they lost that way, and like, that's that's something I think every fan can appreciate. No, Yeah, and I think you know, it's it's like any any sport. You see it every you know, in all sports, whether it's a you know, uh an NBA coach can eject it from game or uh, you know, a baseball manager getting injected. Whatever. You're so you're so committed to your guys and you love your guys, and you want, you know, nothing but success for the organization and for your guys, and you know, uh, as as you grow and learn these things, you learn, Okay, well, there's way ways to obviously handle that, but um, you know, I don't think you ever want to take that that burning desire, you know, out of any player you have or any coach that you have. But at the same time, just handle it it and maybe in a different way. Okay for listeners who aren't Bills fans, getting to know you now on this podcast, tell us about your family life, your professional aspirations, and more or less give us the Ken Dorsey Elevator stage of core you and what are your core values? In about sixty seconds. Well, I think the biggest thing for me is, uh, you know, I I love ball. You know, I've got a I've got a family who loves ball because they don't see me. So my wife, uh, somebody who's uh has committed to football. She hates watching watching ball with other people because they talk to her about non football things. My wife too. And I'm not even a coach. It's like, if it's not football, I don't really have any other interests at this moment. Yeah, exactly. So she does a great job with the kids and and uh in the season because she's a single mom during the year, um, and and has no complaints about that helps me. So you know that's that's the biggest thing for me and uh at home. And then you know, from from aspect of what I believe in, my beliefs are arecast simple in terms of coaching I believe in and you know, playing with speed, physicality and discipline, and uh, I think if you play with those three things as an offense, you're gonna always give yourself a chance to win. Ken. That was good. That was really good. My last thing, Josh Allen cam Newton, You've coached some great NFL quarterbreds. Do they have any idea what a badass you were in college? Like? Do they know? Did did they ever go back, like to cam Newton coming in as VP and all the stuff. Does he look back and be like, Yo, coach, pretty damn good yourself, Like, did they know? Did these young guys know? I think I think they're getting less and less aware, you know. But Josh, Josh likes to give me a hard time about it and everything. He likes. He likes to joke, He likes to go around tell him any anybody who talks to an interview or whatever, that I just basically walking around with a stamped on my forehead that was thirty two as a start st Oh yeah, like like uh like, I you know, skill around. Just that's the first thing when I introduced myself endors I was thirty eighty two as a starter in college. I feel like twenty five years ago, I was a al Bundy Polk High School. That's exactly right, exactly right. But I think, uh, I think they they kind of you know, it's it's stage of the Internet and uh obviously social media and everything, so they can look up anything. So I think anytime you know you're new, they automatically just google to see what you're all about. Awesome, Well, you're all about ball and you're all about winning football right now, I just wanted to thank you so much during the season coming on our podcast, and Ken, I just wish you need the best of luck. You're a great dude, and you're really well respected around the league. And I hope that the listeners get a glimpse right now from this podcast of what a great guy you are. Thanks for joining man, No, I appreciate you, Hammy, thank you so good. Ken Dorse, the offensive coordinator and the Buffalo Bills and a thirty eight and two starter in college. Don't ever forget it, all right, So from one place where things are going great right now Buffalo and everyone's

feeling themselves and the offense is awesome, to another where I don't know what to say. Tampa Bay. This might be the least entertaining team in football right now. I don't know what's going on with Tom Brady. They lose to the Carolina Panthers, a team that had a lot of spirit, but certainly if you look at the rosters, did not have the same caliber of skill position players and talent to go up there and just absolutely beat them. Last week I watched Tampa Bay. I'm confused. And if you love this podcast, you love our segment called make Me Smarter, where I bring in my guy, Tony Holzman s Coran. Now, Tony is star researcher at the NFL Network, and he is so much more. But one of Tony's greatest qualities is that he makes me smarter. He sends email he's like, hey, did you know this? And during the combine in the draft, he's got all the information. Tony, what's good? Hey, what's up? Strikes you are far too kind, but I appreciate you. Yeah, all right, Well let's take the compliments and let's keep on rolling because we're about to get negative. Make me smarter. I know I've seen Brady have some bad games, but like I never is this the worst we've seen Tom Brady. I mean, it's definitely the worst start he's had as far as win loss record since two thousand and two, which was his only true non playoff season as a starter, excluding two thousand and eight when he had the knee injury in Week one. And Brady's averaging his fewest past touchdowns per game since becoming a starter. So it hasn't been the greatest start down to Tampa Bay, like you alluded to. Yeah, so let's ask about that because I watched these games and it's like, it's not like Brady's getting like it's it's not the Joe Burrow the first two weeks where Burrow's running like a chicken with his head cut off because the offensive line can't protect them. It's not like it's you see some of these other teams at the offensive line, it's just an absolute sieve. Brady's looking like he's got time in the pocket and then he's just misfiring. So make me smarter, Like, what the hell's going on? Well, The offensive line did go through a lot of changes this year as we saw like the interior offensive line get decimated with Ali Marpet retiring, Alex Kappa going to the Bengals, and then Ryan Jensen suffering that serious and the injury and training camp. But where Brady's been struggling the most is under pressure. Last season, he has had the fifth highest PAS rating under pressure in the NFL according to our in house next Gent stats which I always gotta plug love next Gen stats. This season, he has the third lowest passer rating under pressure. He literally, if he threw every one of his passing attempts under pressure into the stands, he would have the same passer rating that he has right now. So it hasn't been going great under pressure for Brady. Wow, So what is it? Give us the numbers? Like, if you throw only in completions, you have a pass rating of thirty nine point six. You can't get any lower than that if you don't throw picks and you're just only throw in completions. Brady'sasser rating under pressure this season is thirty nine points six. All right, So part of me, part of me wants to say, Okay, they play Thursday night Brady gets a win, suddenly they're back in first place. And here we go, we're on this run and we all look stupid and there's egg on our face for even doubting him. Then part of me is like, it's going through a personal situation with his marriage. The gronk's not there, the offensive line sucks. If you were to bet, do you think Brady turns us around and it's the old Brady or do you think Tony Based on the numbers and based on what you see, Hey, there's a cliff and Tom Brady's fallen off it. I mean, I want to preface this by saying, we're talking about seven times Super Bowl champion, greatest resume in NFL history, forty five year old dude who's playing with dudes who could be his son. But Brady is the least pressure quarterback in the NFL, even though we're talking about bad pressure. But it's because he has to get the ball out faster than any quarterback in the NFL. His average time to throw is two point four seconds, which is faster than what next gen SATs defines his quick passes. But the quick passes have still kind of been there. He has seven of his eight passing touchdowns on those throws this season. But it's those longer developing players that Brady hasn't been hitting on this year. Over the last two seasons, when he had forty touchdowns in each of those years, he led the NFL and pass touchdowns and in rhythm throws, which is basically that sweet spot between quick passes and extended throws. This season, he has no touchdowns on those passes. The thing that worries me is the Buccaneers rush offense. They've never been a team to run a ball a lot. The problem is this year they're averaging sixty four yards a game. That's not only the fewest in the NFL this season, if that continued, it would be the fewest by any team in the Super Bowl era since nineteen sixty six. That is a bad thing. They don't run the ball and they're bad at it when they run the ball. This has also contributed to their third down percentage of being down by like ten points this year. Huge. I mean, if you can't run the ball, you can get ahead of the change like it's harder in the NFL when you have third and long. Those those things are definitely concerned to me. But I will say this, I'm never going to root against Tom Brady. Done it before, not rooting? Are you picking against him? Forget rooting. I don't care about your your fan name. Yeah I missed, I'm I missed at that. I'm not even a Patriots fan, but I'm not I'm not ever betting against Tom Brady. Got it turning it around because we've all bet against him before and saw him in twenty nineteen like is it over? Yep? Like is it over? And then he won Super Bowl. There was an America's Game I guess it was. It must have been the twenty nineteen team when they beat the Rams. And half of that

America's Game series is just me and Nate burrel issing, crapping all over the Patriots and then like they would cut to us on Good Morning Football and then show them like rallying and winning, and I was like, oh, thanks, NFL Films, gonna put me in a good spot. I'm not doubting Brady either, but seven weeks a pretty good sample size. I'll check in after ten weeks if it doesn't get gone. I don't think it's suddenly going to magically happen for sure, Thanksgiving. Is it like at that line of what team are you? Who are you? This year? There's a big matchup with the Mark coming up, which is two quarterbacks who should probably be better in the win loss record than they are this season. Yeah, Tony, you always win. Thank you for making me smarter. I appreciate you for having me shrinks for I really do. Every week on this podcast, I'm gonna bring on one of my personal friends, either someone in the NFL world or someone that is like a real friend, a guy that I've known since high school or college, and they're gonna give me a take. And this particular one is one of my best friends, Noah. Noah and I went to college together at Emory University. Noah's like the first guy I met on campus. He was a Jersey Shore guy, just like me. We were living in Atlanta, we had no idea what was going on down there, and we have been best friends ever since. Noah listened to the Paul Rudd podcast and he heard something that he had to respond to. Let's toss to Paul Rudd last week talking about Aaron Judge's sixty first home run ball and what happened to it. Sarah speaking of Sarah's Sarah Walsh, Yeah, whose husband caught the ball? Yes, Matt Bushman, Matt Bushman to just give the ball back? Do we have to tell the story? Okay? So here's seven. Uh. Sarah Wall, she was an announcer on NFL Network or reporter. She's great, has filled in on Good Morning Football multiple times. I know it's a story, it's a it's a it's a it's a weird of a context. But let's explain it. Well. When Aaron Judge hit me and tied the record, right, Her husband is the bullpen coach of the Toronto Blue Jays and had the ball in his hand, the number sixty two, and he gave the ball back to Aaron Judge then gave it to his mom and sixty one and uh and um and there was a big you know, absolutely what a cool move. And I would like to shout out that guy for doing the right thing. Way to go, Sarah, props to your husband. Good for you and you two Yes, great moments in NFL Network history. My boy Noah is listening to the podcast. He fired off a text to the group chat ladies, gentlemen, my man Noah no please respond and give us your take, Peter, I'm cringing over here. I'm cringing over here. So uh, let me start off by saying, no one knows plad more than me. Okay, one more than me? All right? His work as Josh and clueless, I mean an aspiring lawyer that like gets the girls song to it. I mean as a lawyer myself. He made being a lawyer an attractive thing to be for every women woman that came of age in the nineteen nineties, and I am forever grateful for that. But however, however, however, in talking about this home run ball, okay, he used two words in that clip you played that really stuck in my crop. Okay, And those two words were right thing. Okay. He said that Bushman did the quote right thing. I would like to shout out that guy for doing the right thing. Now, maybe for aunt Man or you know, I'm a former MLB star married to one of your NFL colleagues. They can give away a two million dollar lotting ticket and it's the right thing to do. But but for me, and you know me, Peter, I'm a man of the people, if anything, a man of the people, A man of the people, Okay, speak for the common man, the common man. And what I'm worried about is when it's not you know, Phoebe's boyfriend that gets the ball here, but it's some you know, random, some kid, some average joe who gets the next valuable ball. Is this innocent person. Is this Joe the plumber gonna be harassed and harangue because he didn't do the quote right thing? Okay? So I'm looking out for the people, and you know that am not me. I do think that like here we are, we're all Pollyanna here. You know, I don't care how much money you know, Bushman and Walsh have as a collective, as a couple. You gave away a million dollars right there. You just gave away for what for his mommy to have it exactly. It's it's a crazy thing to do. I mean, Judge is obviously he's obviously doing okay for himself, we can say. But let me ask you a question, Peter, when you were a kid, you'd go to you'd go to baseball games, I assume every now and then, and would you maybe take your baseball glove, your mitt, bringing a mint, you bring the mat, and why would you bring the mint, Why would you want you want the ball you just in case there's a ball you have. You go to the game with a with a dream that you're gonna catch that ball. Okay, you do that because there's a social contract that we've all entered into when we go to an with the MLB that when you catch that ball, it is your ball. Imagine because you go to the game, you catch that ball, and all of a sudden, now Paul Rudd has told the world that's the right thing. You gotta give it back. I can't stand for that, Peter, you know that I'm gonna I'm gonna go one step further. Last year, Mike Evans catches a touchdown pass and throws it into the stands and the guy in the stands gives it back to the Buccaneers and the exchange gets like a signed Tom Brady jersey, and everyone's like, well, that was a good story. You know you and I were texting. Then you are outrage that that guy. Yeah, I see it. I see it all the time, Peter, and I don't like it. And I don't like it. Listen, if that is your listen, if you want to give it back, that's your prerogative. I'm gonna question you. I might not trust you with my finances if you're making these decisions, that's up to you. But but yeah, like, if it's me, listen, I'm taking the two million dollars, okay, and I'll go into my grave having not done the right thing. I'll live with it. You're right, you know, the Marvel universe might make it a different decision for some people. But I'm with you, man, I don't know that'd be a real moral and ethical debate. Like what because Aaron Judge gets it handed to his mother and everyone says, oh, that's a nice one that we all forget about the next day. Matt Bushman, he's sitting there all right, back to job, and I just gave away a million dollars. Do I get up pat in the back every single day? No? Does? Does Matt Bushman not have car payments to make? I mean, come on, give a guy a break, let him let him collect this, collect it all right. So the take here is that we are not for shaming those who do not give back the record breaking ball to the athlete or to the athlete's mother. Yeah, that's exactly right. I don't want to get into an ethical argument about the you know, John Stuart Mill and you two the terriyanism with Paul Rodd here, but I would I would ask him to go to a little self reflection on what makes it the quote right thing? Okay, I love you dude, you nailed it. Incredible, Noah, thank you, thank you, thank you. This is a dream, a dream to be on. This is my sixty first home run ball, so thank you for making it. And I'm not gonna rob you of it. Awesome and there you have it. That's what this podcast is. It's takes on, takes on takes, it's insight and today I can't thank our guests enough. Ken Dorsey incredible. He's gonna be in the running for a lot of head coaching jobs. You got to know him first on this podcast. I thought he was wonderful. And I'll go down to Coral Gables in the early two thousands on Memory Lane anytime you want to talk ed Reid, Sean Taylor, and Jeremy Shockey, Tony our guy from the NFL research department, explaining that Brady is as bad as it looks. And then of course my boy Noah coming in. But you know, Aaron, I ask you three for three. I feel like this podcast was a home run. That was great. Yeah, it was not the take I was expecting when you said you wanted to talk about Aaron Judge, and it was great. I loved it. There we go, guys, till next week. Thanks for listening. 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