AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY TRAILER Reaction & Breakdown! Robert Downey Jr. First Look as Dr. Doom!의 전체 녹취록

at the box office. I don't know what's gonna really take over after that though, you know? Sam: I'm thinking that we could become just a Tom Holland podcast where we just follow him at throughout his movies. Alex: We could, we could. yeah, he's got two big ones out now, potentially doomsday at the end of the year. I don't know. Man's busy. Sam: And when he stops making movies will be a Zendaya podcast. Alex: Yeah, absolutely, for sure. I mean, she had the drama this year and then she's in two big movies now. And they're Dune at the end of the year. my god, Sunday, chill. Sam: What does she apply that? Alex: Alright, well, while we're on the topic of the Odyssey, real quick, I got a little game I want you to play. You're a you're a big Christopher Nolan fan, right? You've seen all of his movies. I have a list here of the top ten actors that he's worked with by the number of movies, Christopher Nolan movies, that they have been in. You don't have to guess them in order, but I want you to see if you can guess what actors have been in the most Christopher Nolan movies. Sam: Huge. Love him. I'm ready for this. I'm gonna go with Killian Murphy? Alex: All right, I got ten names. Start throwing them. Killian Murphy is number two. He's been in six. Sam: I'm gonna go with Christian Bale, that's at least three right off the bat. Alex: Well, you're correct. That is at least three. It is four. He is the third on the list with four movies. Obviously the Batman movies, then prestige. Sam: And Hathaway. Alex: And Hathaway is on the list with three movies. She's one of five actors tied with three movies. Sam: Matt Damon's got three. Alex: Matt Damon's got three. He does. Sam: Alfred, what's Alfred's name? Alex: Michael Cade, number one on the list with eight movies. Eight of Christopher Nolan's like thirteen movies. Sam: I would take eight more. That guy can do no wrong for me. Alex: Love love Michael Cain. All right. You're halfway through. I'll be really surprised if you pull two of the names on this list. But I think the other three are very manageable, very reachable. Sam: I'm gonna go Tom Hardy. Alex: Tom Hardy has been in three movies. He's on my list. Sam: I don't know how many more, but I know at two for Joseph Gordon Levitt. Alex: Mm, that is all. Yeah, he is not on my list. Yep. Sam: Okay, just two. Okay. man. Can I get a hint that might Alex: That's strike one. I'll give you three strikes. I mean go down Batman. Pull that string, pull that thread. Morgan Freeman's got three. Sam: I guess Morgan Morgan Freeman. Beautiful. Alex: It's another one more Batman mainstay. Yeah. Sam: Gordon. Alex: Yeah. Gary Oldman. Yeah. And then I don't think you're gonna get the last two, so I'll just tell you. We got Kenneth Brannow. Bet in three. Sam: Gary Oldman. Yeah, sure, Kenneth Branow. I Kenneth Branow. Alex: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then a guy named Josh Stewart. Sam: Whom is Josh Stewart? Alex: Is that name do anything for you? he was like one of he was in the the bed the Dark Knight Rises. He was one of Bane's mercenaries. And a deep cut for you, you'll like him actually, he voices Tars in Interstellar. Sam: What's he doing? I love to. Alex: Right? Now he's not credited in the movie. I don't know how that works, but he is voices Tars, then he has two other ones, right? This Josh Stewart guy's been in four. Sam: Really? I keep thinking that you and I should go as TARS for Halloween. We can just like do a double costume where like I'm one leg and you're one leg and we kinda move like this. Alex: Yeah, but who's like the middle? Sam: We need a third friend, obviously. I think between now and Halloween we can make a third friend. And convince him to be an Archars caster. Alex: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, for that tall task. I don't know. Alright, yeah, that was my list. That was ten. You got eight. You did better than I thought. You know? Pretty good, pretty good. Yeah, you you nailed it. All right, let's dive in to the big topic. The most important thing going on this week. We got the Avengers Doomsday trailer. Let's get your initial thoughts. Sam: I really feel like I did well. Well, first off, I had no service, so I had to wait like eight hours. Yeah. But it was good since I had no service so nobody could like spoil anything for me. I like couldn't see anything online. Alex: Ha ha ha That's fair, that's fair. Yeah, I I literally pulled over when I was driving home and I pulled into a rest stop and I was like, I gotta watch this right now. I can't wait. Sam: I gotta stop what I'm doing. I gotta see this right now. First off, amazing. I really didn't I thought we were a week away. this came out of complete nowhere for me. I thought we were waiting until San Diego comic out. Alex: Ha ha. Yeah. It it yeah, it does make me wonder what are they gonna do for Comic Con now that they've already put this out there? Maybe some X Men casting news? I don't know. Sam: It to me there has to be something bigger that they're holding back, which is great news for us. Alex: Yeah, absolutely. Very exciting. the trailer itself though, I feel like it was kind of just like your classic Avengers trailer. It showed us a lot without really showing us anything at all. Like I think we could have guessed a lot of the plot points that we saw here. Sam: Yeah, I agree with you. It's not like we got revealed anything, but i i it is so it's just that feeling of an Avengers movie where you see these characters that you waited to see on screen together just in little snippets. I it really reminds me of like an endgame Infinity War time in our lives. Alex: Mm-hmm. Yeah, right. Now before we break it down even further, I do got a question right off the rip. Do you think Doom is threatened by this Avengers lineup that we see in the trailer? Just We got Sam Wilson, Captain America, so no powers cap. Got Ant Man. We got the new Avengers, so Bucky, Elena. Sam: I it Sure. But Yeah, I it's I won't say we're saying like we're not throwing the A team Avengers

on, if I'm being honest. Alex: It's it's a little underwhelming. It's a little a little bit underwhelming. Dude's probably looking at this like, Man, I picked a good time. This is great. Tell me I gotta get past Thor and then I'm good. Sam: Thanks, Thanos, for clearing out all the big bads. And apparently Thor's no problem. Alex: Yeah, that's the next thing we gotta talk about is holy holy moly. Stops that stormbreaker shot that kill all well almost kills Thanos. Also, if you remember from Infinity War, that same movie did against Thanos powered through like the power of the six infinity stones to get to Thanos. And Doom's just like nah. Sam: You're right. So that's where like magic is really hard, right? Magic is really hard in a lot of comic books to quantify. And I know that he's supposed to be like, what did he say? Like magician, genius, tech guy, yeah, technologist. So like there's a lot going on, but like it's very hard to balance magic in comic books. I like famously, Superman is weak to magic, but he can beat everything else. Alex: Yeah. Mm hmm. Technologist. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Sam: And so I think it's one of those situations where you have like your strongest heroes, but magic is just kind of this weird option that like is like a Pokemon weakness, right? Like they they really can't fight magic very well. And I know that's weird to think about with infinity stones being kind of magic, but they were kind of their own thing. I'm talking about like whatever this magic is in the story. Alex: Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Like this is like Scarlet Witch kind of magic, like multiverse of madness stuff. if you look at that freeze frame of him stopping the Stormbreaker shot, he does have like a rune on his backside of his hand. So like some kind of rune like how Wanda used in Multiverse of Madness. Like he definitely has this magic power to him. Sam: He's got here, right? Like these like shoulder runes like on his cape. Yeah. Alex: Annie has the shoulder pads too. Yep. Which will be interesting to see like how does he get these powers? Where does he go? Do we get to see that or does he just show up as God mode doom and we just have to like, all right. Another threat for the Avengers to deal with. Sam: Well, you used you used an interesting term there too, because like there does come a point, especially in the comic books that we're talking about here, where it transitions into secret wars, where he becomes God Emperor Doom. So like that is a whole different set of like power tiers for Doom. So like, is that what we're seeing? Or are we seeing base level Doom and we get worse from here? Alex: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right. R yeah, it's true. That's gonna be really tough. I feel like this whole movie is basically his like arc to becoming God Emperor Doom. So I hope we get a lot of like flashbacks and a lot of like storyline behind him and not just focusing on the Avengers and the X Men and all that stuff. 'Cause like you do need to build up Doctor Doom. He's one of the most iconic characters. Sam: Completely agree. Make me care. Because like I think secret wars is gonna have to a lot to do. I think a lot of us have theorized with Battle World, where like we're just gonna get a lot of Avenger style fighting, similar to like kind of what we got with Infinity War. And I would love that, but I agree. We you gotta make me care about what's gonna happen in Battle World before you give it to Alex: Yeah. Yep. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it does feel like I it feels like I talked about this yesterday when I first saw the trailer. It feels like they're leaving a lot on the table as far as like Doom storylines go by jumping straight into Battle World and Secret Wars and this God Emperor Doom. So like and it's hard to go backwards after that. Like we can't do like Fantastic Four Two when they first meet Doctor Doom now when they've already met him as this god level threat. So it's unless they fully reset after Secret Wars and then it's like, that never happened. Sam: Yeah, unless we get like a solo Doctor Doom movie where it's just like him in college or doing something, right? Like it it it's it's difficult to which first off, I would watch Robert Downey Jr. go to college. That sounds great. Alex: Yeah. I would watch Robert Daddy Judah Junior and Pedro Pascal go to college and just like be buddies and do science and stuff. Sounds great, dude. Sam: This sounds awesome. I feel like we've just scripted the bank movie. Alex: Right. And then could like show him like rise to power in Latvia and like become the president or whatever you would call him there. And like slowly start to turn into this bad guy and then now. You know, the ruler one or the other, you know? Sam: Yeah, not really a president though. God Emperor or President. But I agree, like a lot of Doctor Doom is defined by loss, right? Like the loss of his mother, or i in in this storyline, we're very confused. I mean, it could be the loss of his mother that has defined him in other comic books, could be the loss of like a wife or a child. I know that he's like Robert Downer Jr. sent out that little card that teaser that was like me and Daddy Doom. It's like, is there a child involved that maybe he either is either there that he's fighting for or that he lost? So there's a lot of like bat deep background of this character that then sets us up for secret worlds in a potential battle world. So like Alex: Yes. Mm-hmm. Sam: You have to take me on that emotional journey of like, why does he want to do something like this? Alex: Yeah, and I feel like the children are going to be a big like thread in this movie. So I do think it is gonna be like a wife and child that he loses because we have there's potential that Captain America has a kid in that new timeline he created. we know that doom comes for Franklin Richards at the end of Fantastic Four. Thor has a kid now. Like Sam: Sure. Well, I know they've kind of teased Young Avengers, which is like feels like we're really setting

ourselves up for young, like kind of like a w we've got kind of different generations of Avengers now, right? We've got like the OG Avengers, we've got like kind of our new Avengers, we've got kind of like the like whatever we put together with like the Hawkeye show, that level of like kind of younger heroes, Ironheart, I'm thinking. Alex: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Sam: And now we've got like kind of Alex: Yep. Sam: really like children children. So like there could be even more new Avengers in the pile. Alex: Right, and we have Wanda Wanda's kids from WandaVision, like those two, Billy and the other one. Have superpowers, have magic powers. Sam: So there's a lot of potential heroes like at different age groups, and especially when you start doing like a multiverse, you can blend those to like age people up or down depending on like what universe they're coming. Alex: And yeah, and I feel like we were gonna see a lot of like a lot more of the young Avengers in the Kang dynasty and in those two, like in the Kang story arc that we didn't end up getting. Because like leading up to that it was like the old heroes were gone. You have this new wave. I think it was gonna be like a Shang Chi Spider Man focused team with like, you know, the new Avengers now, the Thunderbolts and then all these younger heroes trying to figure it out against Kang, which I think would've been really cool, but Here we are now and I think they're gonna s have to take a longer path to get to that storyline, basically. Sam: Agreed. I I'm excited for obviously I want to continue to enjoy this for many years to come, but eventually there will be like a Kevin Feige documentary where he talks about like the things that he had to pivot to and from, like depending on like how the stories were going. And I can't wait to hear like all of the thousands of possibilities he had thought of for what this like multiverse could look like. Alex: Yeah. my gosh, yeah. And we are like he I he did talk this week about he's like, Yeah, guys, I I totally dropped the ball on that blade movie. That's my bad, I failed on that. It's like I wonder how many more things that like just he hasn't been able to get done. I don't know. Sam: Right. Like we got Gambit, but like there was always supposed to be that Gambit movie. So it's some things just materialize in different ways. Alex: Yeah, speaking of Gambit, let's talk X Men. We finally get X Men in the mainline MCU in some way, right? They're gonna be battling the Avengers, it seems, at certain points in this movie. What were your thoughts on the X Men in the trailer? Sam: I kinda love that. I kinda love that we're gonna fight right away because like they are protectors against big threats. And so like if they're having an incursion event, they're gonna see other superpowered beings as like big threats. Like there is an immediate kind of confrontation or tension between these two groups. So I'm glad it's not just like we cross over to another world and meet superpowered beings and shake their hands and we immediately trust each other. Alex: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Well best friends friends. Yeah. And it does there is that scene when they're like gathered, the Avengers and Thor and Fantastic Four are gathered in the new Avengers Tower. And on the back screen you can see like three circles connected by a lines. It feels like that's a image of like the three universes that are gonna be colliding here. So yeah, I feel like they're gonna be going into Sam: Right. Like Completely agree. Alex: the X-Men universe to try to I don't know, what what would they be doing in the X-Men universe that they have to go there specifically for is my my question. we know that they're gonna be connecting these three universes. I just wanna know why are they going into the X Men universe specifically? Like what could they be like searching for? Why do they have to go there? Why can't they stay in their own universe and prepare? Sam: Agreed. So like and like where is the threat, right? Like where is Doctor Doom and like it w in what capacity is Doctor Doom either making this happen or like what does a confrontation with him mean to stopping this event? So like where is the threat that we need to fight? Alex: Right. Now there's been some speculation online, of course, already. Maybe they're going to try to access Cerebro for some reason. That could be a reason for them going into the X-Men universe. And then I also have seen theories going around that maybe Doctor Doom is kind of pretending to be on the hero's side and he kind of is manipulating them into going to this universe to try to like fight off the X-Men so their universe is the one that takes over. Sam: yeah. That's really interesting. I mean, i he is a master manipulator in a lot of these like different iterations of him. The only thing that I would be concerned about is like him already like trying to steal Franklin Reid's. Like we've already got some like people thinking that he's a bad actor. So it'd be interesting to think like does that cause distrust between different groups or what does that look like? Alex: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right. Yeah, so I guess maybe the question there is, is he does he steal Franklin at the end of that movie? Or does he just go to meet him and then like Sue comes in and like he reveals himself as Victor Von Doom and they're like old friends, they remember each other, so then like kinda calms down a little bit. Then later in the movie the twist, he actually does take Franklin. Sam: I love twist. So I'd love I'd love to see some kind of like 'cause I think that's what he does really well already like is is that like suave, like convincing kind of person. So like I would love to see that come out as well. As to kind of give us that tie in of like how are these the same person or at least like multiversal differences between these people. Alex: Yeah. Mm-hmm. And I do think we also have to assume that Doom is going to get to Loki somehow in this movie.

Well, you know Loki's a tree of stories from the end of Loki season two. Maybe Doom just straight up kills Loki and steals some of his powers, and that's how he gets this kind of protective aura that he's got going on. He becomes the master storyteller. Because I do feel like in that shot of Thor. attacking Doom. There's a little bit of there's a little anger in Thor's strike, you know? It's not just like a casual like attack you wouldn't use on a normal villain. Sam: And why just him, right? So that's where like I almost think so it's either gonna be in the first scene or the last scene of this movie, right? I completely agree with you. I think Loki is probably done for. We've we've loved him, but we've seen a complete arc from him, which was an amazing arc. But I do it's either gonna be the first scene, and that's what leads Thor to go fight Doom, and then he goes get the Avengers to try to kind of rally them to go fight this new threat, or it's the last scene which sets us up for this new kind of God Emperor power level that sets us into battle. Alex: Yeah, my exact thoughts. It's either the Hulk versus Thanos fight from Infinity War or it's the Thor versus Thanos shot from the end of Infinity War. Like it's one of the two. Sam: Right. Like w yeah, it's I completely agree. Alex: Yeah. On once a character goes through a full story arc like that, you're just like, alright, t count your days, dude. Sam: So speaking of c like people who are gonna be in and not in this movie for any given period period of time, where is Fidey? Alex: That's that's interesting. I don't know. I saw something Yeah, I saw something online and this I don't know if this was like just a theory or like a fan speculating or fan storytelling. But what if he's like his universe and like a Deadpool and Wolverine universe collide at some point? Sam: Right, like I have not seen him in any concept document. Alex: And we see like a fight scene between Spider Man and Deadpool at Wolverine, like them fighting, and then eventually their worlds get smashed into each other, they get sent to Battle World. Sam: so they're part of the secret war storyline, not this storyline. Alex: Yeah. I do think like the overarching story is doom is collecting heroes essentially by smashing their universes together to form Battle World. And that's what we're seeing with these three universes specifically, but it's gonna happen to other universes as well. Sam: There's notable people missing, right? Like we didn't see Doctor Strange, did we? Alex: That's another thing. Where's Doctor Strange? We know from Multiverse of Madness he's off fighting incursions, which Doom could be causing them. He could be fighting them. yeah. Also, I know in the comics, Doctor Strange aligns with Doom in this story, because maybe he sees it as the only way to save a universe instead of everything being destroyed. He's like, I need to be by this guy's side, working with him to eventually be able to stop him. So maybe he is working with strange. You don't wouldn't put that in the trailer. Sam: No. And I I gotta say, if we're not up for the Doom, if this team isn't up to fight Doom, we're definitely not up to fighting Doom Strange. Alex: No, no, no, no. It's it's over. Yeah. Also, where's Captain Marvel, right? Is she just gonna be off planet again? Like she's our most powerful ally. Sam: We're done. I completely agree. And yet we don't yet. I don't see her and I don't think we saw the Hulk, did we? Alex: We did not see the Hulk, no. Sam: They're have martine. Alex: Yeah, that's crazy. No Punisher, no Daredevil, no Spider Man, no Gene Gray. Sam: Right. So like that like the events of Brand New Day I think are gonna be quite telling. And maybe that's why we got this trailer that we did is because like we're gonna see some really cool stuff. But then after Brand New Day, maybe we'll see something new that has addressed what happens in Brand New Day for what those characters are doing in the new Doomstead. Alex: Yeah, potentially. there also is the line from the post credit scene of Thunderbolts where like Yolena's like but there's also something going on in space that we don't know anything about. Maybe half of the heroes are up there fighting another threat, you know? Maybe Doom sends Yeah. Doom sends like a distraction their way so he can come in and start laying the seeds and enacting his plan. Sam: Especially when they say like we don't know about it. I that's I I keep coming back to that line too because I'm like some of our heroes are missing, there's this other thing happening in space, and yet we have this other group of heroes left behind to deal with what's going on with Dick. So like there has to be kind of multi paths here. Alex: Yeah, for sure. All right. I don't think there's anything else. Anything else you want to say about the trailer? Sam: I'm excited. Alex: excited, dude. do you think that Captain America's living in the Fantastic Four universe? Mm-hmm. Sam: That's a huge question, right? Wha who is but he knows Thor. Alex: Who is he? He's Yes. Or whatever. Sam: Right. So he is the Steve Rogers that we know. Alex: Right? He is, right. Sam: What do mean? Yeah, of course. Alex: I'll I will s I will say Sam: Okay. Alex: the wrestling fan in me, every time a character in d the WWE changes their outfit to wear all black, it means they're gonna do something bad. Sam: Come on, dude. I don't have a Formula One thing for this. I can't see into this. Alex: The black t shirt, black the black leather jacket, the black pants. I don't know. Is this is this our Steve or is this a bad Steve? Is this Hydra Steve? Sam: Pizza I don't want to hide your steam. I want my Steve back. Alex: I want my steam bag too, but like Sam: But he pal, that's what like he knows the work. And he's worthy. And he's worthy. So how can he be bad? Alex: What? I I don't know. I I think it's our cap, but like maybe. Maybe. Let's just leave that. Sam: I don't know, the pal, the pal throws me. And the pal, him being worthy, it it I agree with you. It's kind of sketchy. I don't know what's gonna happen with him, but him being worthy gives me faith that he's gonna be good. Alex: Yeah. Right. And but also if he's arriving with the Fantastic Four, that also makes me think he's arriving with potentially Doom if Doom is pulling the bait and switch. So like all of them walking in together. Thor has a reason to be a little bit wary of what's going on. Sam: And I kinda love him being on the same side as RDJ as like a foil to civil war. Alex: Yeah, right? They're finally teaming up together. That'd be cool. All right. Sam: That'd be cool. Alex: So yeah, I don't know. This movie didn't do a whole lot for my excitement level. I think it could be a great movie. I still have a little bit of fear that they're just gonna be trying to, you know, bait us and they're gonna skip a lot of story and it's just I think my fear is that they pull a Justice League from two thousand you know, sixteen, that they just rush into everything. They're just rushing into this doom story because they're panicking after the Kang stuff. But Six months away. We got plenty of time. We'll see a lot of trailers before then. A lot of little clips. We got a lot of stuff to see. And there's gonna be a ton of surprises in the movie that they don't put in the trailers. So give it time. Sam: Right. And like what if I said we have this problem with this two thousand sixteen story, but add five cabillion dollars? Alex: That could that the problem. I don't know. I don't know. All right, guys, we were gonna talk about Spider Man, but we are running out of time and dealing with some technical difficulties here. So we are gonna save all the Spider-Man stuff for next week. We'll talk about the Spider-Verse movies. We'll talk about everything that you need to know before you see brand new day. Keep track of what should you watch to catch up on or brush up on, and we'll go over our final predictions for the movie, final thoughts, everything like that. So if you're interested in that. Subscribe down below. Make sure to follow us on all of our socials at the Mustache Multiverse. And we will talk to you all next week. Sam: Let's thwip on out of here.