Bring Back Being Bored의 전체 녹취록

00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:14.800 Like if I'm not listening to a podcast or something or music, I'm bored. 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:18.560 I always listen to music or a podcast in the car. 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:19.120 Yeah. 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:21.039 I sometimes I do most of the time. 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:24.159 Sometimes I don't, but it's just like due to laziness because. 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:25.360 I don't want to put something on. 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:28.319 Well, yeah, it's really interesting too, because. 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:32.719 we were kind of talking about how humans are really bad at multitasking. 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:38.719 But yet when you're driving, you're listening to music or you're listening to a podcast or trying to do something else. 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:42.560 And how that's been an increase in car accidents. 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:50.080 But just sitting in silence in a car and driving by yourself, like that is an awful experience. 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:51.520 I don't think it's that bad because. 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:55.919 I like think, like I do a lot of thinking while I'm driving, I guess, but I could see where it is. 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:59.759 I was Max and I were driving the other day, and he there was like a stressful situation. 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:03.199 I turned the volume down and he was like, I don't need you to turn down the volume. 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:04.240 I can multitask. 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:05.919 And I was like, You actually can't. 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:09.120 Yeah, you're like, Science says you can't actually do that. 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:15.599 But it's funny how like as we when we're driving and there's a stressful situation, you like turn the music down, like that's gonna make it different. 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:16.800 But it just does though. 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:20.319 It totally does. 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:26.240 I just don't know when we started to reach for our phones the second nothing is happening. 00:03:26.719 --> 00:03:29.919 I honestly I go it goes back to like social media. 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:30.560 I think because. 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:38.639 we're also addicted to social media, you get into an elevator or you get into a situation where you need to or you have a free moment and you pick up your phone. 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:47.360 Even when your friend goes to the bathroom at a restaurant, you're like, you're not sitting there thinking, you're or looking at the surroundings, you're picking up your phone and you're texting people back and you're doing stuff. 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:49.840 You can't even be in the elevator for 30 seconds without your phone. 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:52.639 Nick told me I have a staring problem because. 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:55.280 I don't actually pick up my phone, I'll just stare at people. 00:03:55.520 --> 00:03:57.840 I like to like look around, I think it's fun. 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:02.080 There's a lot of things going

on, but I like people watching too, so I'm just like, yeah. 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:10.639 But then if you're people watching and then you notice one of those people are staring at you, then it makes you want to reach for your phone. 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:12.000 Yeah, because. 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:12.800 it's awkward. 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:15.280 But I've gotten really good at just the stare. 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:21.600 I find I pick up my phone more times when I'm awkwardly in a situation than when I'm like just because. 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:24.079 I've been actively trying to not be on my phone as much. 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:26.879 But if there's an awkward situation, I will go on my phone. 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:30.160 I'm probably not even listening to anything I or looking at anything. 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:33.040 I'm just like going on my phone so that people don't talk to me. 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:48.560 I have been so anxious that I've told my partner at the time, this is like years and years and years ago, but I got invited to this party and I remember being like, if I text you an emoji, can you just like text me random things so it looks like I'm texting someone? 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:50.399 Because I felt so awkward. 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:51.360 That's so funny. 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:55.040 Max does not text back that quickly, so he would that would never work. 00:04:55.040 --> 00:05:06.800 I could phone him though, but it's like when I wear headphones in public, though, like if I'm in an awkward situation, or like not an awkward situation, but like if I'm in a situation where like I don't want someone to talk to me, I'll just wear headphones. 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:08.000 Like on the street. 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:10.480 I don't want people to try to sell me things, whatever else. 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:13.199 That's why I got the AirPro Maxes, because. 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:14.160 they're so big. 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:14.959 They are huge. 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:19.600 That it's like obvious that you're wearing I just am like, oh, I'm on a conference call, sorry. 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:24.879 But I'm trying to like talk to people more on the street in like my little off most, like my mostly offline era. 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:27.360 I'm trying to like engage with society more. 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:28.959 So I'm trying to wear headphones less because. 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:31.439 I find it's a little rude, even if you're at like the grocery store. 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:33.519 It I think it's like rude for the person because. 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:34.800 they're like, Are you listening to a podcast? 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:36.000 Are you talking to me? 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:37.759 Yeah, and you don't always know. 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:44.560 I also think we talked about this earlier, but becoming a regular at a space, it makes such a big difference, too. 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:50.480 Because then you know the employees and it's not as awkward, and you can kind of have that relationship. 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:53.279 Even at the grocery store, the people know me. 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:54.800 I go there three or four times a week. 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:57.279 The staff seem to like know who you are. 00:05:57.279 --> 00:06:00.000 Probably don't, but they act like they do, they're nice. 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:03.120 Like the supplement store I go to, she's like always so nice because. 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:04.079 I'm in there all the time. 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:05.360 They definitely know you. 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:06.079 Yeah, it's true. 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:06.639 They probably do. 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:07.439 1000%. 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:09.040 Yeah, they probably do. 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:10.560 I don't, I don't know. 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:13.040 I think we reach for a phone. 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:24.480 I think there's so much going on in society nowadays, and everyone's under so much pressure and immense stress that we reach for a phone as an escape from what our brain is actually thinking about. 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:26.720 Because we're all so worried about everything, I think. 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:33.040 So then you reach for your phone and you go on TikTok, and that make helps you to turn your brain off and helps you to stop overthinking. 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:38.959 I think our society is just so I think we're all just kind of overwhelmed. 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:40.720 I think so too. 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:46.959 But then it's like if you grab your phone and you go on TikTok, it actually could make you more anxious because. 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:50.560 you don't know what the algorithm's gonna push at you that day. 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:55.040 So you could log on and it could be like the world is ending, and then you're like, wait, what? 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:59.439 And then you have to do like a deep dive on what is actually happening. 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:03.120 Yeah, we're recording this as the midterms are happening, so that's it. 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:04.639 I think that's on our mind. 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:13.439 But I think I had a really good habit for a while where I was picking up my Kindle or my Kobo instead of my phone, and that was really good. 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:17.199 I wish my phone shout out Kindle, because. 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:18.959 Kindle actually has this, but Kobo doesn't. 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:21.680 But your phone books can like sync to your phone. 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:24.720 Mine can't, so I have to like get my e-reader, which is annoying. 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:29.040 But I think that's a lot healthier to pick that up in a time of boredom. 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:33.439 I'm trying to like journal more and do that stuff, but it's so hard because. 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:38.319 the thing you have with you is the thing you're gonna pick up, right? 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not at the, if you're not at home and you don't have your journal or you don't have your e-reader, you're just gonna pick up your phone. 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:45.839 And it's hard. 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:46.480 I don't know. 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:49.360 I think we try to fill the void. 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:55.920 I also feel like it's really easy to look at yourself and feel like you're the only one that feels awkward. 00:07:55.920 --> 00:08:08.879 But actually sitting in the awkwardness is what I feel like has helped me grow a lot in the sense where now, and I don't know if this is necessarily true, but say I'm in a social situation and I feel awkward. 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:17.199 I just think in my head, there's probably 10 other people in this room that feel the exact same, but I'm just gonna keep on talking and I'm gonna keep on trying to make connections. 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:17.519 Yeah. 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:24.879 Because I'd rather that than leave and then just feel awful or like I missed an opportunity to connect with someone. 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:25.519 Yeah. 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:40.720 I think especially in like new situations, like at the gym, I always try to find if there's like a new person, I always try to like give try to like open up to them a little bit and like just introduce myself so that they feel more comfortable. 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:47.360 But yeah, I think we as humans only grow when we're in uncomfortable situations. 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:50.000 So you have to put yourself into those situations. 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:54.320 I do hate that though, when for instance, we are really good about that. 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:58.960 When new people come to the gym, we know that they're new, so we'll be like, hey, what's up? 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:07.200 I hate getting invited to a party or a social situation where everybody is like best friends and you're the outsider. 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:09.759 Honestly, that is really awkward. 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:22.799 And I really, whenever I go to those situations, I just pray that there's people that have personalities like you and I who will actually be like, oh, here's the backstory to that joke, or here's what we're talking about. 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:30.799 Because if you don't give backstory and you like can't see those social cues, it becomes awkward and then you're more likely to just grab your phone. 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:38.960 So if you want to actually be social and for people not to grab their phone, make sure that they're feeling like they're part of the group. 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:39.919 Yeah. 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:46.879 Also, I don't I feel like I'm way more comfortable in situations with people that I know. 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:53.279 Like if I go to a like you invited me to a party on a Halloween party on Friday, and it was like two people I know and a bunch of people I don't know. 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:54.879 That is a nightmare for me because. 00:09:54.879 --> 00:10:04.799 I'm like, I want to have, I know the two of you and I'm gonna have fun, but I'm not gonna feel good in like the with the rest of the people, and it like takes me so long to like get warmed up to people. 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:06.559 I just like it's so hard. 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:07.679 Well, that was me. 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:15.840 We went to a 2000s birthday party, yeah, and I knew some of the people there, but I didn't know a lot of them, and I just felt so awkward. 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:17.200 Like I because. 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:20.399 I also don't want to be the person that's like velcro to someone else. 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:24.879 No, but that night I literally told you, I was like, I'm gonna be velcro to you because. 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:26.559 I feel really awkward right now. 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:28.480 Yeah, that's like a big friend group too. 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:29.519 So it's really hard because. 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:36.879 they're all very social, like socialites, and I'm not a socialite, so it's difficult because. 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:40.960 they thrive in those situations, and I don't. 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:44.960 Well, I think too, I want to sit down, and we've talked about this before. 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:48.559 When I meet someone, I actually want to talk about genuine things. 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:56.720 So if it's just like a passing conversation that's gonna lead to nothing, I just would prefer not to really have it. 00:10:57.039 --> 00:10:57.279 Yeah. 00:10:57.279 --> 00:10:58.799 You know, we've talked about this before. 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:02.639 Like, yeah, I don't care about the weather. 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:03.759 Don't talk to me about the weather. 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:05.360 Tell me like your deepest, darkest secret. 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:11.519 I like when people are the most unhinged, like when a receptionist out of business is unhinged and they tell you the craziest things. 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:12.960 Tell me the lore. 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:14.480 I don't care about the weather. 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:15.919 I don't want to have small talk. 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:17.840 Small talk to me kills me. 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:19.360 Like, I don't hate I just hate it. 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:20.080 I can't do it. 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:21.120 Yeah, me too. 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:25.600 When's the last time you watched a TV show without scrolling on your phone? 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:26.559 Hmm. 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:31.200 When I was probably 18 years old. 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:32.000 Shut up. 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:33.919 Oh my god, you should try it. 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:34.799 I've been doing it. 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:36.000 It's it's nice. 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:42.320 Like I said, I've been like putting my phone away, which I do miss a lot of phone calls, I will say that. 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:46.960 But I just set up a shortcut on my phone

now so that when I connect to my Wi-Fi, it puts it on a ring. 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:52.000 So now it goes on to ring when I'm at home and it doesn't, it's not on ring when I'm not at home, which has been helpful. 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:53.919 But I put my phone away. 00:11:53.919 --> 00:11:58.399 And like I said, I think I said last week I've been watching TV with ads again. 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:00.799 And so then I'll pick up my phone during the break. 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:02.559 But I don't, yeah. 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:12.159 It uh was a hard transition, but I like watching TV for the if you're gonna watch TV, I think you should watch it, do it for the purpose of watching TV, not just putting on background noise. 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:13.120 I think so too. 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:14.080 I just think because. 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:20.080 I have so many mini side hustles going on in the background and I'm trying to escape the nine to five. 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:25.279 When I sit down to actually relax, it's not only with TV, it's like with everything. 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:31.759 My brain is like, now is the time to look at videos that you could be making. 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:34.639 Now is the time to edit these videos. 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:41.440 Like, I just feel like sometimes there's not enough hours in a day, but then it's just feeding the loop of me being on my phone. 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:45.440 So I need to come up with like when I do watch TV, just put my phone away. 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:49.759 Or maybe I should do the commercials thing, and then when the commercials come on, then I edit a video. 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:51.279 Or just like or something. 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:56.159 If you're gonna go on your phone, go on your phone and don't turn on the TV, right? 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:58.320 Because you're not actually watching the TV if you're on your phone. 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:01.759 So then you're just overstimulating yourself and it's not worth it. 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:08.320 Like you might as well just like turn your phone, you might as well just have your phone as the primary task and don't turn the TV on. 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:11.440 Well, I did notice actually that's a lie. 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:17.919 I watched a movie, well, I watched multiple movies when I was bedazzling, I can't even speak right now. 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:18.480 Bedazzling. 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:21.039 When I was bedazzling my mic pack. 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:21.360 Yeah. 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:24.960 Because I had to really be focused on every single gem. 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:26.639 You have this special pen. 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:27.279 Yeah. 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:32.960 And you dab like a little bit of glue and then you put a little diamond on it, and you have to be really specific. 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:38.720 So I guess I did that for seven hours straight with TV on in the background and didn't grab my phone. 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:39.759 Yeah, that's nice. 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:40.159 Yeah. 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:47.759 I just think I think for me a big thing has been like one task at a time or like one screen at a time has been kind of my rule. 00:13:47.759 --> 00:13:49.600 I've been slipping a little bit because. 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:54.080 I do watch some like TV that doesn't take a lot of attention to to do. 00:13:54.080 --> 00:14:00.879 But I found when I was trying to get into it, I was watching Young Royals and I watched it in Swedish. 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:04.080 So I had to watch the I had to use subtitles because. 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:06.879 I couldn't can't speak Swedish, obviously. 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:08.639 And that really helped because. 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:14.320 you really have to put your phone down if you're watching a show like that that has a lot of dialogue, it's very dialogue heavy and it's in a language you don't speak. 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:20.159 If I watch like Spanish shows, I can pick up enough Spanish that I can look at my phone. 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:25.840 But if I watch a show that in a language that I've never spoken, then it's really hard. 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:27.200 I need to start doing that. 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:33.039 I also find lately with newer movies, I'm getting bored, actually. 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:37.120 Like, and I think that's why I grabbed my phone, if that makes sense. 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:39.919 Like, I feel like the script, this sounds really bad. 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:40.799 Hot take. 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:42.720 Take it, believe it, don't believe it. 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:43.440 I don't care. 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.399 I think that a lot of scripts are made with AI now. 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:49.200 I mean, possibly. 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:54.159 In the sense of like, I feel like older movies, maybe they were like slower to get to the plot. 00:14:54.159 --> 00:15:04.960 And I have seen newer movies that I do like, but it's just for TV shows, like I feel like the quality isn't there for me. 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:10.399 Like, I want to watch a show that actually like sucks me in and that I'm actually invested in. 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:11.200 Yeah. 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:12.960 But it's hard for me to find that. 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:17.200 Yeah, I don't think it's like I don't think it's that shows are made with AI now. 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:26.320 I think it's that there is 75 streaming services, and the barrier to getting your show onto TV is very low. 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:36.639 Whereas like you used to have to like pitch NBC to get your show on, and they were like, oh, you wanna like I just watched the Matthew Perry documentary, and it was like friends went on at 7 p.m. 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:41.279 on NBC or ABC or whatever, and it was like, this is amazing because. 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:43.440 this is the most sought-after time slot. 00:15:43.440 -->

00:15:45.440 There's no sought-after time slots anymore. 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:59.519 Hockey Night in Canada's shutting down, like there's no sought-after TV time slots, so they can just make slop and put it on Netflix and put it on Prime and put it on Apple TV, and there's eight million shows. 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:06.080 I think I think we're also too invested in like you don't have to finish a movie if it sucks, right? 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:11.279 Like I used to, like I I used to take a lot of time picking a movie. 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.679 I would spend two hours picking a movie just to find a movie that I want to watch all the way through. 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:17.679 Max will just pick a movie. 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:20.559 But if it's bad in 10 minutes, he'll turn it off. 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:23.600 And we picked a movie the other night and it was ended up being a really good movie. 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:25.039 It was a Steven Spielberg movie. 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:26.320 I had never heard of it. 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:35.039 It was an MGM original or something, but I think there's too much media now. 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:40.960 So there's no there's no level of like quality assurance because. 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:43.279 you can just make a TV show. 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:44.879 It's actually so true. 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:49.200 And then by the time you find something good, you just are exhausted because. 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:55.039 you've spent so much time trying to like go through what actually is good to determine. 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:58.480 Yeah, I mean, it's really hard to find good TV. 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:00.480 I find reality TV is good because. 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:02.639 it's the only thing that's really original anymore. 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:06.799 Like, there's not a lot of original TV, there's no not a lot of original ideas. 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:11.519 So I watch a little bit of reality TV, but I also try not to watch too much TV. 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:15.680 I just don't I don't there's not a lot of TV I enjoy. 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:20.160 So I'm trying to like play PlayStation a little bit more, like that's way better for your brain. 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:28.880 Or just go on if I'm gonna go on my phone, I will just intentionally go on my phone for an hour instead of putting the TV on and then ending up on TikTok anyway. 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:30.480 I need to start doing that. 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:33.920 I also find, so I was watching Dragon's Den. 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:34.960 This is years ago. 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:36.000 I love Dragon Sten. 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:45.920 And shout out Arlene, one of the pitches was a monthly shipment box for your kids to play outside and be creative. 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:52.799 Like I find everyone always says, oh, like kids are so playful, this and that. 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:53.920 But it's because. 00:17:53.920 --> 00:18:09.680 I feel like we are introduced or we have introduced social media and we've introduced email, text messaging, all these things that are embodied with being a professional, but we're not embodying being bored because. 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:14.640 I feel like boredom used to lead to hobbies, ideas, and creativity. 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:15.440 Yeah. 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:30.079 Yeah, like when you're a kid, you're you're being you're going outside and you're doing things, you're exploring, you're climbing a tree, you're building a tree house, whereas now it's like you could just build a treehouse in Minecraft, right? 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:31.759 They love Minecraft. 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:33.119 I mean, I still love Minecraft. 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:38.000 Minecraft is a great game, but it's it's a creative game though, so I think it's actually good for kids. 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:41.359 There's not a lot of games where I'm like, wow, that's a great game for children. 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:42.960 I think Minecraft is good because. 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:43.759 it's safe. 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:49.920 Like you're not, it's not like Roblox or like is it Roblox, the one where they're like there's a lot of predators and stuff on there? 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:50.960 Wait, what? 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:52.240 Yeah, yeah. 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:53.039 I didn't know about it. 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:54.240 Yeah, no, no, no. 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:55.839 There's like a it's a big problem because. 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:59.200 there's all these like online communities and they're like, yeah. 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:01.119 Oh no, it's a big thing, yeah. 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:03.920 But on Minecraft, a server has to be like private, right? 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:08.640 So you can't really like do I'm sure there is areas like that, but that's scary. 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:10.559 Yeah, I mean the internet's a scary place. 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:15.759 Club Penguin was similar, like there was people on Club Penguin trying to take advantage of people. 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:20.000 I guess that's really true, but I just never thought Club Penguin was that deep. 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:28.480 Like I loved Club Penguin, yeah, but I wouldn't have in-depth conversations with people on Club Penguin. 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:29.599 Yeah. 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:30.880 There's a lot of these. 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:33.759 I mean, the internet's not the safest place in the world, right? 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:35.759 We have to protect children. 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:40.319 There's a lot of countries putting in laws for that, but yeah. 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:42.559 But Minecraft, I think, is one of the better ones. 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:44.559 I think it's a very creative game. 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:49.680 And I think you need to be bored to push yourself to do things. 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:51.119 Write a book. 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:51.759 I don't know. 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:52.720

Like, you know what I mean? 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:57.359 Like it you don't have to, you don't have to be an author that's published already to write a book. 00:19:57.359 --> 00:19:58.960 My brother writes quite a bit. 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:02.079 His writing is really, really in enthralling. 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:10.799 Like, I'm in a book club with him, and the last book or two books ago, there was a book, and I was I said, You your writing is better than this book we read. 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:12.000 I couldn't even get into it. 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:15.119 It wasn't exciting, it was boring, I didn't like the way it was written. 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:18.000 But pick up a hobby, learn to play the piano. 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:20.319 I have a friend who's learning to play the piano. 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:28.640 And it feels silly to do those things as an adult, but I think it's really good to have hobbies and have things you like to do. 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:32.079 But I also feel like to grow, you need to get outside of your comfort zone. 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:35.200 So that doesn't mean that, like, say you're scared of heights. 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:41.200 It doesn't mean that you have to like completely leap out of your comfort zone and the next day jump out of a plane. 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:43.119 Just like do small things. 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:49.039 Like, I mean, I told you I went to that party, I got somebody to text me while I was at this party because. 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:50.559 I felt anxious. 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:59.440 How I got over that is it's gone to the point now where like I don't even want to bring my phone to parties and I don't really care. 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:07.440 Or like if I'm looking around a room and I see someone notice that I'm people watching, I'll just look at them and there's like no shame. 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:08.960 And I feel like that's also super weird. 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:13.599 Like Nick will be like, Why did you just make eye contact with that person for like five seconds? 00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:18.079 And I'm just like, well, they just noticed I was people watching, and I just like caught their eye. 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:20.240 Like, I'm not immediately gonna look away. 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:22.319 I don't feel shame for what I'm doing. 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:25.920 Like, I think you need to get a brick, honestly. 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:31.039 I think like I would love to leave my phone at home too, but it just doesn't make sense. 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:32.319 The brick is nice because. 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:35.519 you can just brick your apps and you don't have access to those apps until you go home. 00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:37.920 It does kind of suck when someone's like, What's your Instagram? 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:39.440 Or they want to follow you on Instagram. 00:21:39.440 --> 00:21:44.160 But I'm just I just say, like, follow me on Instagram and I'll follow you back when

I get home. 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:45.759 Like it's yeah, not that deep. 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:46.640 Yeah. 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:53.279 Why do you think we feel anxious when we aren't being entertained? 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:55.119 We're just so used to it. 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:59.759 I think we're so used to being stimulated that when uh it's really hard. 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:01.599 Hard to feel bored. 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:06.559 And it's really scary to feel to have no external stimulation because. 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:10.799 as a society, we're always listening to something, the radio's on. 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:16.880 Even when I was a kid, my friend's parents would have a radio on in their house all the time. 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:19.039 And I'm like a silence person. 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:21.200 Like a lot of people are uncomfortable in that. 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:22.559 But like I like to just be silent. 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:27.279 Sometimes I will turn on like classical music or something if I'm really feeling like I need noise. 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:30.559 But some people have a radio on in their house 24 hours a day. 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:32.240 And that to me is like scary. 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:34.799 I cannot deal with that level of stimulation all the time. 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:39.200 Or even in the gym, when you go to the gym, I love going to my gym in my building because. 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:39.920 there's no music. 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:44.079 But when you go to a normal commercial gym, there's always like some music playing. 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:47.359 Actually, on that, I had a panic attack because. 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:48.720 actually I had multiple. 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:51.200 And I'd never experienced a panic attack before. 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:54.240 But I signed up to this really big commercial gym. 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:57.680 And then at the times that I was going, they actually hired a DJ. 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:05.200 And the DJ would be like absolutely blasting tunes to the point where I was like, oh, I'm gonna go in the morning. 00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:07.119 I went in the morning at like 6 a.m. 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:08.240 Guess who's there? 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:09.359 The DJ. 00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:11.920 Guess who's blasting tunes at 6 a.m.? 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:13.680 I literally went into the bathroom. 00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:19.680 I had a full-on panic attack, and there was another girl there, and she was also having a panic attack. 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:21.440 Like I was like, why is the music like this? 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:22.640 She's like, girl, I don't know. 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:24.480 I'm like, I don't want to work out. 00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:25.759 Like, I can't do this. 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:26.720 What gym is this? 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:28.640 I just need to know so I don't ever go there. 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:30.720 Oh, the one that you go to? 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:32.720 Yeah, I'm not going there. 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:33.920 It's by Max's house. 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:34.720 He wants to go there. 00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:35.359 I'm not going there. 00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:36.480 The DJ has left. 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:37.279 Oh, thank God. 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:38.400 And I haven't seen the DJ. 00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:41.839 And I actually became friends with the DJ, and he's really nice. 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:44.960 And so I told him that he actually induced a panic attack. 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:45.440 That's great. 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:47.599 And then when I would come in, he would turn down the music. 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:49.759 But it was like too much. 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:51.119 Like I'm talking. 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:55.039 You know how loud the music gets when I'm teaching my tennis classes? 00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:57.920 And how I turn down the beat and then I turn it up to full. 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:02.000 Imagine it full blast, but like in a huge gym. 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:03.279 Like just massive. 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:08.079 It's just like unfair to me to play music in a gym because. 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:12.799 most people are listening to their own music or podcast or whatever they want to listen to. 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:22.960 And I think like to overstimulate people that much is just causing, it's gonna cause people to have panic attacks or like anxiety. 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:26.000 Is we have more anxiety in society than we've ever had before. 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:28.079 Like yesterday, I was anxious. 00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:29.200 I don't even know why. 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:33.200 I just was anxious for no reason, and it ruined my whole day. 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:34.960 I think it was the full moon. 00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:36.880 Maybe it's possible. 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:38.559 I was also super anxious. 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:39.200 I don't know why. 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:40.640 It just ruined my whole day. 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:43.759 So, and I'm just it's overstimulating. 00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:44.960 Everything's overstimulating. 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:49.440 There's always like lights, there's always flashing, there's an ad, there's this, that, this. 00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:51.359 I can't handle it. 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:52.640 I can't either. 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:58.640 And like, you know that I do aquascaping and I love fish, but I killed all my fish. 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:02.160 So now I'm just doing plants in my tank. 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:10.880 It sounds really silly, but just having plants in your tank, if you just like sit and you watch the plants, yeah, it actually makes you feel a lot better. 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:11.359 Yeah. 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:20.400 No, there's a lot of things you can do that aren't that aren't watching TV or going on your phone or those types of things, right? 00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:24.160 You can

just sit with yourself, be bored, read a book. 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:27.200 There's a hobby like aquascaping. 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:28.880 Very niche. 00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:35.039 But I also feel like the reason why I'm anxious is it's not due to external factors. 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:36.720 It's because. 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:38.960 I'm on the grind and because. 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:47.440 I'm anxious that if I don't do the things that I say I'm gonna do and I don't succeed with them, that I'm gonna feel like a loser. 00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:50.880 And I feel like on social media, especially because. 00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:57.519 I'm an entrepreneur, I follow other entrepreneurs, and these entrepreneurs are like, oh, like you have to keep grinding. 00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:01.839 Like when you feel like crap, you have to do whatever it takes to succeed. 00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:03.680 And I do feel like that's true. 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:09.359 I feel like you have to have a dog in you, but I feel like that's leading to more burnout because. 00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:10.319 that's not normal. 00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:18.400 That's like saying to be a professional marathon runner or a professional athlete that you should never break in your workouts. 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:20.160 You should never have a rest week. 00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:23.839 Like that's not gonna actually help you in the long run. 00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:24.480 No. 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:32.400 And I think, yeah, when you have a lot of things going on, like I volunteer, I do the podcast, I'm doing all this other stuff. 00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:38.799 When you have a lot going on, it is like a pressure to be performing all the time. 00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:42.160 But you have to tell yourself it's okay to take a break too. 00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:47.839 Like those people are not, they're saying that on TikTok and they're like, oh, every day's a grind, every day's a grind. 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:49.759 But they're taking a break too. 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:51.920 Otherwise, they would get burnt out. 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:53.440 They're just lying about it. 00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:56.720 Yeah, and you actually don't even know if they have a successful business. 00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:03.519 Like correct, you could technically pop up on Instagram and be like, I made $24,000 this month. 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:04.880 You didn't make any money. 00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:06.799 You can say whatever you want on Instagram. 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:09.119 Yeah, you don't have to be telling the truth at all. 00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:19.680 Maybe we should make a new social media platform that's not called Instagram, it's just called facts, and people just literally post it has to be 100% accurate. 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:27.440 And we have an AI bot that goes around and it anything's like fake, it like literally will ask you to fact-check it. 00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:28.960 I don't think people would use

it. 00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:30.799 I think people like Instagram. 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.319 There's so many like Instagram clones that have come out because. 00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:43.759 like people are like, Oh, I I really want a normal feed again where my friends are in it, and it's not ads and stuff, but then these companies come out and then they go bankrupt because. 00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:45.680 Instagram people just don't leave Instagram. 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:46.240 Yeah. 00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:50.240 Like there was one called PixelFed, I think. 00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:58.319 And it was like open source platform, just like Instagram, like the original Instagram, everything's chronicle chronological order. 00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:00.799 I think I'm the only person I know that has an account. 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:02.720 Like no one uses it. 00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:04.400 I was hoping it would take off because. 00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:11.359 everybody was like, oh, we hate meta, we hate meta, we want a new version of Instagram, but no one leaves Instagram. 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:15.039 So then it's like everybody says they want to leave Instagram, but they don't. 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:16.799 So then it's like, what do you want to do? 00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:18.240 Like, what do you want people to do? 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:20.720 I just love Instagram, and I think it's because. 00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:21.680 it's nostalgic. 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:23.200 Like, I think it's because. 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:27.599 that's the app I've been using since I was a teenager. 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:28.319 Yeah. 00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:30.079 See, I hate Instagram. 00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:32.319 I used to like Instagram when it first came out. 00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:38.079 I loved Instagram, but now I go on Instagram so infrequently that all I see is ads. 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:38.480 Yeah. 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:42.000 And it's not really like somewhere I see my friends' posts or anything. 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.680 I use it for basically messaging. 00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:51.119 And then if I look at a story, how many stories you see, like two stories now, and then there's like five ads. 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.599 I'm clicking out, I'm not watching any more stories. 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:57.759 So if you're not in the first two stories on my Instagram, I'm not seeing your story, unfortunately. 00:28:58.000 --> 00:28:59.279 Yeah, which is fair. 00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:01.200 What are some that's really sad? 00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:05.759 What are some things you used to do before you spent so much time online? 00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:06.480 I don't know. 00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:13.440 I was thinking about this when we had like when I had a flip phone, I guess I just hung out with friends more. 00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:15.359 I just did more things in real life. 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:19.440 I don't I can't think of what I used to do. 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:25.119 I definitely wasn't doing anything productive, but listen to music, I guess. 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:26.640 I guess just hang out with friends because. 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:28.559 it was my like early 20s back then. 00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:33.359 So then I'm like, but I don't know what I used to do. 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:42.480 I guess I would do the things that I do now, like reading or yeah, reading or like a project or something. 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:43.839 What about you? 00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:48.559 Yeah, I feel like my friends and I, again, super niche. 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:58.319 We used to make this is when I was a kid, but we used to make like little clay animals all the time, or we did like a ton of crafts, which I feel like I'm starting to do now. 00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:00.960 Yeah, and it feels really good. 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.759 Like one of my friends, shout out to her. 00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:15.599 I won't say her name, but we've been friends since grade three, and we have our old Tamagotchis, and we'll meet up and we'll literally let our Tamagotchis from grade three play together. 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:16.160 I love that. 00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:17.680 And then we'll do a little craft. 00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:21.680 And I feel like having that wholesome connection is really good. 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:36.160 But I also feel like I was on a ton of sports teams, and so losing that identity and not actually being on like a team team is really hard for me. 00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:50.319 I feel like I got a lot of my cup filled by those social experiences, and also when you play rugby or you're playing basketball, you're playing with like at least 15 other people, like for basketball. 00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:56.960 And you have all those people to message, or you do practice and they'd be like, hey, we're gonna go do this, we're gonna go do that. 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:02.000 And it was so much more convenient, I guess, to do these random side hustles. 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:07.200 Yeah, even if if it was just going to Walmart and like buying Cheetos, like I had the best time ever. 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:07.920 Yeah, you know? 00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:16.160 Yeah, I think that'd be really hard to have to go from having like a built-in friend group to doing something different and like having to find those things. 00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:18.160 It's yeah. 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:27.039 I guess I would like watch TV when I was like before cell phones, I would like watch TV, but I would watch TV that actually had structure and like real shows. 00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:31.759 Like I feel like shows used to be more deep, if that makes sense. 00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:32.720 Like they actually had stories. 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:36.880 Remember when like the OC was like 24 episodes per season? 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:41.039 You're lucky if you get like eight episodes and it comes out every three years now. 00:31:41.039 -->

00:31:42.240 Like the Outer Banks. 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:50.480 I said to Max, we watched the most recent uh season of Outer Banks, and I was like, if we don't get closure of this season, I'm not watching the show anymore because. 00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:57.039 you can't drag this out anymore, and you can't take three and a half years to release eight episodes of a show. 00:31:57.039 --> 00:31:59.119 Like, what where are you producing this? 00:31:59.119 --> 00:31:59.839 The moon? 00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:00.559 Yeah. 00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:08.480 I just don't know why it's so there's way less media and it's way lower quality. 00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:11.039 Yeah, like I feel like it's just not the same. 00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:14.319 Like, I like to watch the original Anne of Green Gables. 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:16.319 I don't think I've ever watched it. 00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:17.119 It's so good. 00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.200 Like, I'll literally pop it on VHS. 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:23.279 My parents still have one, and I'll literally pop it in and I'll watch it at home. 00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:24.079 That's so funny. 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:28.240 I watch, I mean, I've watched Jurassic Park 2,000 times probably. 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.720 And it's from like 1987. 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:32.880 It's a great movie or 90-something. 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:33.519 I don't know. 00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:34.799 Great movie. 00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:36.720 Old movies are better. 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:42.000 They're there was a lot more artistic work put into them. 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:44.480 Like CGI, sure, it's great. 00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:52.319 You can have some great futuristic or like scenes and visuals you couldn't do. 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.279 Like, you can't make Avatar without CGI, right? 00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:58.319 But they made Titanic without CGI. 00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:00.319 And that's pretty crazy, right? 00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:10.240 Yeah, like I feel like they should bring movies back where they're not using it, but it probably costs so much more to not use CGI. 00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:15.200 But I think that's the issue, is like that's literally nail on the head. 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.519 I feel like they're cutting money because. 00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:19.599 they can just use CGI. 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:22.400 They're not actually being that creative. 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.640 They're just like, oh, we're gonna create this with CGI. 00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:26.319 Yeah, we've and then it's done. 00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:30.559 Which I feel like CGI also is really creative in itself. 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:32.160 I don't know how to do CGI. 00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:33.440 I don't know how CGI works. 00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:33.680 Yeah. 00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:34.079 To be honest. 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.759 No, CGI is a creative, it's an art artistic thing. 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:55.519 I mean, you can trace back a lot of societies

like of the downfall of these things that we like, like Instagram, even like Instagram or movies or anything to just capitalism, unfortunately. 00:33:55.519 --> 00:34:08.880 The the shareholders expect the most revenue, as much revenue as possible, and they want to cut out everything that's not bringing in revenue. 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:14.400 So they have to make a movie for as little money as possible and sell it for as much money as possible. 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:16.719 That's that's how it goes. 00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:19.199 That's all of society, really. 00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:22.000 It's like produ how products are getting worse. 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.840 You remember like TVs used to last 20 years. 00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:29.440 Uh you're lucky if a TV lasts you five years now. 00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:30.480 Or phones. 00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.800 I guess phones didn't last that long because. 00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:46.559 the technology was so behind compared to what we have now, but phones nowadays do last quite a long time, considering this is more there's more processing power in this phone than the spaceship they sent to the moon. 00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:48.719 So yeah, oh yeah, for sure. 00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:49.360 Are you serious? 00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:50.480 Way more. 00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:51.599 Way more. 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:52.880 Okay, that's crazy. 00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:53.440 Yeah. 00:34:53.440 --> 00:35:04.159 Like the computers they use to project the moon landing and all the science behind that, there's way more technology in your phone than that. 00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:07.199 Do you think that the moon landing was real? 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:09.199 Hot take, no. 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:10.480 What? 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:10.960 Why? 00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:23.199 Yeah, and I actually like I believe that I actually believe that it was possible to get to the moon in that era, but I don't think I believe that they were able, they would be able to get off the moon and back to Earth. 00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:27.199 Like, I think we had the technology to get to the moon, but not the technology to get back. 00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:35.119 I think that it's much more, I'm not a rocket scientist, but I think it's much more logistically difficult to get back from the moon. 00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:43.280 I think that the US government, I think we've been to the moon, but I don't think we went to the moon that exact time, if that makes sense. 00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:53.039 I think that the US government needed to prove to Russia that they had the technology to go to the moon so that Russia would be scared of their intercontinental ballistic missiles. 00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:54.559 Because that was the Cold War, right? 00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:57.679 They needed to prove to Russia that they were more technologically advanced. 00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:02.639 So I do think that they maybe faked the moon landing, the initial moon landing.

00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:04.320 Now, do I believe that we've been to the moon? 00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:04.719 Yes. 00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:09.519 But I don't believe that we were to went to the moon in that one time in the 50s. 00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:11.039 Why haven't we been back? 00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:13.280 Because there's nothing on the moon. 00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:14.480 But why haven't we been back? 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:16.239 I just don't understand why you wouldn't go back. 00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:20.480 There's surely there's more to explore in the 80 years that have passed. 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:23.519 Haven't there been other moon landings though? 00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:24.159 Am I crazy? 00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:24.639 I don't know. 00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:25.360 Can you look this up? 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:26.239 I'm gonna look it up right now. 00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:28.400 I feel like other people have gone to the moon. 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:33.360 If I am wrong, Justin, if you're editing this, cut this out so I don't sound dumb. 00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:35.119 No, I don't think it's sounding dumb. 00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:36.800 I think it's being curious, right? 00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:46.159 This is the kind of stuff that this is the kind of stuff that being bored makes you think of. 00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:47.199 This is true. 00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:48.719 You have to keep talking though, because. 00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:49.679 I'm editing. 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:51.599 Well, I just feel like it's real. 00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:52.480 I don't know why. 00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.440 Maybe it's humans have landed on the moon six times. 00:36:55.440 --> 00:37:04.079 These crew missions were all part of NASA's Apollo program, which took place between 1969 and 1972, according to Siri. 00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:06.559 Yeah, there's been more moon landing. 00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:08.239 So we've been to the moon a few times now. 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:09.519 I just seem dumb because. 00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:11.920 I was thinking we only went there once. 00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:15.280 No, they've taken samples from the moon. 00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:24.239 Because they wanted to know basically if they could grow anything on the moon, and then they were trying to figure out if there's water on the moon. 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:27.599 That's why there's a huge thing with Mars, is because. 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:29.280 there's water on Mars. 00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:29.679 Yeah. 00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:36.400 But then if you were to actually go on Mars and live on Mars, they're saying that we would have to live underground. 00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:38.719 And the gravity is also really different. 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:39.599 Yeah. 00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:45.280 I don't think I think that Mars is kind of a cop-out for saving the Earth. 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:48.639 Like, why don't we just try to not wreck the planet? 00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:50.559 You know it seems

like an easier plan. 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:52.079 I don't understand. 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:58.880 Why are we going to the moon and Mars when we haven't even explored the oceans? 00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:03.840 I feel like they saw something at the bottom of the ocean, they were like, absolutely not, and then they're like, let's go to space instead. 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:05.519 I feel like it's so scary down there. 00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:06.079 I don't know. 00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:07.920 We know more about space than the ocean, though. 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:08.480 That's the truth. 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:09.519 It's terrifying. 00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:11.199 I want to know what's down there. 00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:17.199 So, but why did we go to the moon six times between 1961 and 1972? 00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:19.199 We haven't been back to the moon in 60 years. 00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:20.960 Surely there's much more technology. 00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:23.119 Like we've sent rovers to Mars. 00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:26.480 Surely there's much more technology where we could like look at the moon more. 00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:28.079 Maybe there's just nothing on the moon. 00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:29.039 Maybe it's just like dirt. 00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:30.079 That's what it is. 00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:36.480 Is I think that they like have analyzed the samples and they've basically deemed it unlivable. 00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:42.320 So they're like, this is the moon, this is what it does, this is what the components of the soil are made out of. 00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:49.760 Maybe they want to go back and they want to get more data, but I don't think that there's like anything for them on the moon. 00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:52.000 I think that's why they just stopped. 00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:58.880 I guess I just don't understand why exploration needs to be only for places we can live. 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:03.519 Like if they're like, oh, we can't live on the moon, so they give up exploring the moon. 00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:07.119 I just don't understand why it has to be always be something about like where can we live. 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:15.840 But I also think that they are trying to figure out if something had lived on the moon or if it was livable. 00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:16.880 Like, because. 00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:20.480 on Mars, I think that there's bacteria. 00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:22.239 I also might be really wrong. 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:23.199 I don't know. 00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:31.280 I think that there might be like bacteria that's living on Mars, but no like animals or like what we would say. 00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:40.079 No, there's something I've read something about this too, where it's like Mars would have been inhabitable thousands and thousands and or millions of years ago. 00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:42.960 Mars would have been more inhabitable than Earth or something. 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:45.440 Like, and things have changed. 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.639 The sun has changed in a way that made Mars way colder and Earth way warmer. 00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:54.480 So the life on Mars died and life on Earth started. 00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:55.519 If that makes sense. 00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:56.000 Yeah. 00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:57.039 Like there's something. 00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:02.159 Like I've read things about that, but I mean the solar system is so huge. 00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:04.239 There's it's crazy. 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:08.639 But yeah, I've there is like some sort of life on Mars sort of thing. 00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:16.639 But also, we're spending a lot of money to try to like go to Mars when there's people like starving on this earth. 00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:17.280 Yeah. 00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:21.280 And like home I walk by people that don't have homes. 00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.400 And that's really sad. 00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:28.400 And like, why can't we help those people instead of trying to go to Mars? 00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:31.840 Well, I also think it's crazy, but it's definitely a money thing. 00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:42.719 But did you know when they are up in space that to get water, they have a filtration system that actually converts their pee into really clean, drinkable water? 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:44.159 That doesn't shock me at all. 00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:46.639 Because there's where else would you get water in space? 00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:48.559 You'd get it from. 00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:51.280 Where would you get water in space? 00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:52.960 I don't think that you would. 00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:57.280 I don't think that there's anywhere you could get it besides it getting shipped out to you. 00:40:57.519 --> 00:40:57.840 Yeah. 00:40:57.840 --> 00:40:59.119 I saw this thing the other day. 00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:03.519 It was like, if there was if there was a ship going to another planet, would you go on it? 00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:10.559 Like if it was like a 400-year journey, like you knew you knew you would never get to the planet, but like your grandchildren, great-grandchildren would. 00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:12.079 And I saw like this comment. 00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:17.280 It was like, imagine 200 years from now you're on this ship and a newer, faster ship passes you. 00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:20.000 That it's like, that's that'd be so funny. 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:21.119 It's so scary. 00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.039 Like how fast technology changes. 00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:24.239 I would die. 00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:25.360 Yeah. 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:30.239 I think I don't know, but yeah, I don't I don't know if I believe I believe in the moon. 00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:31.440 I believe we've been to the moon. 00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:33.840 I just don't believe in the initial moon landing. 00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:35.519 It just was all too convenient. 00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:46.159 There's a lot of things that are very logistically difficult, like

broadcasting video from space to Earth. 00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:50.400 And I'm just not sure that we had the technology back then, but maybe the government did. 00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:55.039 There's or they have aliens technology in Area 51. 00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:56.079 I guess because. 00:41:56.079 --> 00:42:00.159 they said that they streamed it online or not online. 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:15.039 I don't know if they streamed it, but like it wouldn't have been I it I can't imagine it was real time, but the spaceship they probably filmed it and then from the spaceship shot that footage to Earth, like via satellites. 00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.039 Maybe I'm not 100% sure. 00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:19.519 This is not a science podcast, full disclosure. 00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:21.199 We're not, we are not scientists. 00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:23.119 We're this is not a lifestyle podcast. 00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:27.440 We are not we're just yapping at this point, but we're yeah, I don't know. 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:28.880 I don't know if it's real or not. 00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:32.239 We're gonna deep dive into this, but not a full podcast. 00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:33.519 But yeah, maybe next episode. 00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:40.000 We'll have to do like a subscribers-only deep dive into deep dive um conspiracy theories. 00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:48.880 So do you think trying to be bored on purpose more and seeing what happens, do you think that that's something that could help you in everyday life? 00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:49.840 And maybe Yeah. 00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:50.400 Yeah. 00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:54.320 I just think honestly, just put your phone down. 00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:56.559 I know it's hard, but just put your phone down. 00:42:56.559 --> 00:42:59.519 You just it's so easy to get sucked into it. 00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:03.679 If it's 25 feet away, there's a barrier to entry. 00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:04.639 Like the brick. 00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:10.880 The brick is 10 feet away from me, and I will not go like 10 o'clock, my phone goes bricked. 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:17.280 I can't get on social media, and I simply just will not stand up to go get it. 00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:18.559 That's how lazy I am. 00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:20.800 And that has helped so much. 00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:33.599 I think putting your phone down, keeping things that are more, keeping things that are good for your brain closer to you, like a Rubik's Cube or a book instead. 00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:35.519 I don't take my phone in my bedroom anymore. 00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:36.880 That's been a big help. 00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:44.079 But yeah, try to be bored, try to, I think trying to be more intentional about being bored. 00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:48.559 I I guess it's hard to say like being be intentional about being bored, because. 00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:52.480 boredom is a kind of a result of having nothing to do. 00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:59.360 But there's nothing wrong with like daydreaming or not listening to a podcast in the gym or not listening to music in the gym. 00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:03.679 I think that can create like a boredom that is that spurs creativity. 00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:06.000 That's a huge one though, because. 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:11.440 people I feel like everyone assumes that you have headphones in. 00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:19.440 And the fact that I don't listen to music at the gym, when people realize that, they're like, what do you mean you don't listen to music at the gym? 00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:22.480 Like I actually feel like a weirdo. 00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:24.079 I know Yeah. 00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:27.280 Once I started doing it, I still wear headphones though, because. 00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.880 it I think it freaks people out when people don't have headphones in that gym. 00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:32.400 So I still wear headphones. 00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:33.840 I just don't play anything. 00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:35.760 Oh, I just don't have anything. 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:37.039 Oh, see, that freaks me out. 00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:38.400 Why does that freak you out? 00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:39.199 I get looks. 00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:40.000 I definitely get too much. 00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:40.800 It's just because. 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:41.599 I think I don't know. 00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:42.880 I'm like, what are you? 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:47.599 I'm like, what demons are you working with here, my dude? 00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:52.400 But it's also like when I do that, the music is already playing at the gym. 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:54.000 Oh, my gym doesn't have music. 00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:56.400 Okay, I would still do it if there was no music. 00:44:56.480 --> 00:45:00.400 So but I wear headphones, I just wear headphones at the gym. 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:02.320 I guess I use it. 00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:03.760 I do it for like noise canceling. 00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:08.880 Like if other people are being loud, I can still like turn the noise canceling on and I can still have like my piece. 00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:16.639 But now that I've started to not listen to music at the gym or a podcast, it I find it a little overstimulating when I do. 00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:19.360 Like I almost would rather not listen to anything. 00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:20.320 Yeah, me too. 00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:22.960 It's kind of crazy actually, because. 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:29.760 it does seem absolutely psychotic to not listen to some anything at the gym. 00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:31.039 But yeah, I don't know. 00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:31.760 I don't mind it. 00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:33.440 Some days I do, some days I don't. 00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:38.159 I also will just fully read a book at the gym, and I think that that's a little bit crazy too. 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:39.599 I like that though. 00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:40.480 I do that too. 00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:48.320 I think people will judge you a little bit when you're like reading a book, but everybody else is on their phone on TikTok, so what's the difference, right? 00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:49.840 I know that's what I don't get. 00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:55.519 I'm like, I do feel like more Kindles or Kobos are like showing up at the gym though. 00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:56.000 Yeah. 00:45:56.000 --> 00:46:02.480 I wish I could go to the gym without my phone, but like my entire workout plans on here and like timers and all these things. 00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:11.679 So it's it'd be really hard not to, but maybe I should like repurpose my iPhone mini for that and just have like just my workouts and then leave my phone at my apartment. 00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:13.199 Yeah, you should. 00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:16.639 Because it's yeah, kind of like an iPod kind of thing then. 00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:20.880 I could just brick it, I guess, before I go to the gym too, if I wasn't being lazy. 00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:23.440 So this week, let's try one small thing. 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:24.880 Be bored on purpose. 00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:28.239 10 minutes, no phone, no TV, no podcast. 00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:29.760 Just see where your brain goes. 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:34.079 And if you're listening, tell us what's something you used to do for fun before you spent so much time online. 00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:36.320 Thanks for listening to Mostly Offline. 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:37.280 We'll see you next time. 00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:42.480 Until then, take a breath, put your phone down for a minute, and remember boredom is where the good ideas start.