Leaving Corporate for Entrepreneurship: Phil Ginther on One Year of Business Ownership의 전체 녹취록

--> 00:04:26.720 Yeah, we're we're going into the past though, okay. 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:29.040 I'm not I'm not saying I'm not getting paid. 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:32.000 Like I'm literally like people think we don't pay ourselves. 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:35.120 But I was scared to never make money again. 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:37.199 But it's really it's the unknown. 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:43.680 But at the same time, that's that was also exactly what I knew I needed to do. 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:45.519 I was fucking miserable. 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:50.800 Like it's you, it's you remember miserable misery miserable Phil from a year ago? 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:51.439 Yeah. 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:53.279 Yeah, that grumpy guss. 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:54.079 Yeah. 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:56.079 I do, actually. 00:04:56.480 --> 00:05:06.079 Okay, what's the what's the biggest difference for you, like employee versus ownership now, like being an entrepreneur? 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:10.639 Oh, the biggest I mean that's such a broad question. 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:14.800 I'll I'll say that my time is my own. 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:23.519 And I mean that in the sense that even though I'm doing work, I'm doing work because I know I need to do that work because it's for our business. 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:28.480 Whereas previously it'd be like you're doing that work for somebody else. 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:30.959 And there's like a level of detachment there. 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:33.680 It's not like I assigned myself that work. 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:43.199 So I think that that distinction is interesting because there's no it's a different if it's it's a different kind of hard, right? 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:49.439 Like one is the mental weight of being told what you need to do and how you're going to do it. 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:53.920 And then the other is you are entirely responsible for this task. 00:05:54.160 --> 00:06:02.000 So there's a different sense of ownership, but but I get to choose like how, where, and why I'm spending my time in places. 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:04.959 Which I think is the most freeing thing that I've experienced. 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:06.560 Do you get it now? 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:08.639 Just Just a bit. 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:10.720 Just a little bit. 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:19.920 One thing you absolutely do not miss at all from like corporate life. 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:23.040 Literally just rapid-firing questions. 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:24.319 I have zero segue in these. 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:27.920 Being in an office for no fucking reason. 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:31.920 Like, just no fucking reason. 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:34.560 Like, well, you gotta have this meeting in person. 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:35.439 Cool. 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:40.160 You know, wrap my day around going in somewhere, getting in there. 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:40.720 Yeah. 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:42.160 And then no one's there. 00:06:42.240

--> 00:06:48.399 And if they are there, they're so accustomed to doing things over Zoom, they don't actually go into the meeting space. 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:53.120 So I'm just sitting in these boardrooms by myself saying, Why the fuck am I here? 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:56.319 Anyway, that I think that answers your question. 00:06:56.639 --> 00:06:58.399 Not that I have an opinion on it. 00:06:58.959 --> 00:06:59.279 Okay. 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:07.519 And what has surprised you most so far about like being an entrepreneur-owning part of this company? 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:10.639 Dead air. 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:10.879 Yeah. 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:12.879 I mean, what has surprised me most? 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:16.079 I'm like, still takes 19 years to answer any question. 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:18.959 At home, I literally, my eye twitches and like just answer the question. 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:21.120 Yeah, you gotta give me time to think about it. 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:32.000 Just how how like I don't know, I I guess what comes to mind is like the way the way new business can show up unexpectedly. 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:33.439 Okay. 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:33.920 Right? 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:48.800 Like even when you're not necessarily chasing that because you're just you're trying to do something else, and that the the choices that you make, you know, month one consistently will compound over the course of a year into new opportunity. 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:52.399 Which is great and surprising. 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:56.399 Let me see. 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:57.680 I've got so many questions. 00:07:57.839 --> 00:07:59.120 I'm like, which way do I want to go? 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:00.319 Selective. 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:00.800 Okay. 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:01.360 Okay. 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:02.560 Here's a good one. 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:05.920 What did you think I did all day before you joined the business? 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:08.000 Real Housewives and Instagram. 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:11.120 That's not a real answer. 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:13.920 You asked what I thought you did. 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:17.600 You thought I just watched TV all day and sat on Instagram. 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:21.360 No, now I know you do those things, but it's while you're you're working on the city. 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:22.319 While I'm working. 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:24.639 No, like actually, what did you think I did all day? 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:25.279 Work? 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:31.759 Like, you know, we didn't just to be clear, I have not worked for somebody. 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:36.080 Like, I have not held an employment like role. 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:36.720 Yeah. 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:45.360 Like I I haven't had an employee contract of myself in it'll be like 20 years in September. 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:46.000 Oh. 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:52.639 So I don't and and I've always ran my own businesses. 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:53.200 Yeah,

I do. 00:08:53.440 --> 00:09:00.080 So like I don't think you ever knew what my day-to-day looked like, but now that you're in it, that's why I'm asking. 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:01.840 Like, what did you think I did all day before? 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:09.519 Because now you see what I do, and you some days, some days he looks at me, guys, and he literally is like, I get it now. 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:16.159 I get why you were always so stressed out, or like why certain times of the year drove you out the like just absolutely insane. 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:18.320 Like I literally wanted to just cry all the time. 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:21.120 So now, like, because I'm like, what did you think I did all day? 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:22.960 Now that you're well, it's weird, right? 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:34.879 Because it's not like I never thought you had like a like a cookie cutter day where I'd be like, oh, Amanda arrived at the office at 9.30, you know, chatted by the water cooler for 15 minutes and then rolled her eyes as emails. 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:42.879 Like it was nothing ever like that because I was like, every day is a different, you know, mixed bag of nightmares or good things, depending on what it is. 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:48.240 So I don't think I had like this defined idea in my head of how you spent your days. 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:56.240 I just knew you'd be like, well, for the next 14 hours I'm gonna batch work, and then maybe I'll take two days to just ease into the next thing. 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:56.879 You know what I mean? 00:09:56.960 --> 00:10:01.120 So there wasn't like a oh Amanda right now is you know having lunch. 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.039 What did you bring to this business that you thought was missing? 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:09.120 Oh, oh. 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:11.120 You like my list of questions today? 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:11.519 Yeah. 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:16.399 You don't have to be careful, say it all mention it all. 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:18.879 Zero idea what that reference is. 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:20.480 It's Real Housewives, by the way. 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:23.679 And that's because that's what you're doing at the end of this. 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:38.480 I mean, I know I know professionally where my strengths are, but I think more than that, it's the way the way we interact and the way we balance each other has also been really good for the business. 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:40.159 Uh that's not what I asked. 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:45.200 What yeah, I asked what did you bring that you thought was missing? 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:46.159 So you brought yourself. 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:46.879 In the laptop. 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:48.399 That's what you thought was missing. 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:49.200 You brought yourself. 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:50.399 Bill brought himself. 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:51.840 That's what was missing from the company. 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:53.120 No, like what did you

bring with you? 00:10:53.279 --> 00:11:02.159 So you said your like your experience, like what from your experience was missing on RN, like in the business that you brought. 00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:04.240 Sorry, on a on a very specific level. 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:05.919 Are you for Penga? 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:08.720 Like, is that what you're asking? 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:09.519 A list of things. 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:17.440 No, but I'm saying, you know, like over over a decade in in creative and production, which was you know something you did. 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:19.360 You love a good deck. 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:22.720 No idea what you're about to say. 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:24.480 You do, you love a good deck. 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:30.639 Phil, Phil's like way of processing information is new for me. 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:42.480 It is very corporate, and that's probably the only piece of corporate land that I will allow into this business because it has made sense and it has made things smoother for production side. 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:42.960 Yeah. 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:44.399 So yes, I agree. 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:46.879 However, the way you do it, I've I had to get used to. 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:47.600 I'm not gonna lie. 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:49.759 Well, yeah, it's an entirely different way of operating. 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:51.679 And then I was like, what do you mean you didn't do this before? 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:52.960 And we had this like, what do you mean? 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:53.440 What do you mean? 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:56.639 And that was the same outcome, just different ways of getting there. 00:11:56.879 --> 00:11:57.360 Yeah, yeah. 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:04.879 So I mean bringing bringing that to the business was just it rounded out something that was already there, but I think needed needed more. 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:17.679 And then also I think having a background more in in mass marketing, as opposed to like, you know, helping entrepreneurs build from the ground up, it's like coming at it from a completely different side. 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:18.159 Yeah. 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:20.960 Which is which is great because there's learning both ways. 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:28.080 So it's I think just different perspectives, different experience, and apparently a love of YouTube, which is good. 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.519 Yeah, you built our YouTube division, like single-handedly. 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:45.440 I had nothing to do with that, other than like creative ideas and yeah, and that's been fun because it was you know something I was very close to, but I never was like, Oh yeah, we're gonna start a YouTube division. 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:48.000 And then we sat down, we're like, we're gonna start a YouTube division. 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:51.039 Yeah, and in a year we have multiple clients, which is great. 00:12:51.519 --> 00:13:01.679 It created a whole new branch of I think of creativity, it gave the team new projects to work on, and then it also brought in a whole new stream of revenue, so which you know I'm not mad about. 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:04.399 So I would hope not. 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:04.879 No. 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:05.840 Okay, next. 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:13.679 How have your relationships with money, risk, and security changed since becoming an entrepreneur? 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:19.919 Okay, let's start with money, because this was an interesting one for me. 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:26.480 I and you you can call me out on this because I you you know I'm very I'm I used I was very rigid. 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:28.720 You in the past were. 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:36.320 You were or are I feel better around it? 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:37.440 Some growth. 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:47.919 Well, because I always used to be, I always used to be like, all right, this is what's coming in, this is what we can do, this is you know, it's reasonable, all this needs to go there, there, there, and there's that's still that structure still exists. 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:58.399 I thought that would get worse moving into being a business owner because there is, I don't want to say more volatility around it, but less certainty. 00:13:58.559 --> 00:13:58.720 Right. 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:01.840 And that goes back to that like paycheck drip, right? 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:09.200 And in the past year, I mean I've there's a bit of a weight off my shoulders in a stranger. 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:12.000 And I don't know if you've noticed that, but I feel the difference. 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:19.519 I think I noticed it when you were looking at a shirt that cost a lot of money, and I was like for the first time in my life. 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:21.600 I was like, he's not gonna buy that. 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:23.679 And then you're like, yeah, I think I'm gonna get this one. 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:25.759 And I was like, Oh, okay, yeah, sure. 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:34.720 Because I used to have to convince you to throw away shirts with holes in them because you still thought they could like leave the house a couple of times. 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:38.000 He's a very resourceful man, he just doesn't like spending money, which is fine. 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:39.279 Like, I don't think nostalgic shirts. 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:48.240 I don't think that like be like anybody really needs to spend like thousands of dollars on like an outfit or shoes or a jacket, unless you you love that. 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:48.720 That's great. 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:50.639 Like if you have the means to do that, that's awesome. 00:14:50.799 --> 00:15:00.399 But you were very, very conservative in how you like even a shirt that you needed to like for an event or something, you were very conservative. 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:11.279 So I feel like, yeah, you've definitely shifted how you look at money for me to to be a part of because I've known you, like we've been

together as a couple for what, 19 years this year. 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:13.440 Married 15. 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:14.399 Yep. 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:29.360 So yeah, it's like two decades of watching you operate from almost like a a place of scarcity, like there's not gonna be enough, or we have to keep like obviously we save and we do all that stuff, but like there has to be this like constant whatever to now this year. 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:32.559 I feel like you've gotten a little bit more like risky. 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:44.799 Yeah, there's there's a deeper conviction and confidence in what I can create that allows me to not feel that's what you can create that's not going to somebody else. 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:45.519 Yeah, yeah. 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:46.559 No, seriously, that's it. 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:50.799 Where on the other side it's like, hey, could get cut tomorrow because I'm a number. 00:15:51.039 --> 00:15:51.600 Yeah, of course. 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:54.720 And I think that's a conversation a lot of people have with themselves. 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:56.720 Alright, cool, cool. 00:15:56.879 --> 00:15:57.759 That was a nice answer. 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:00.399 What do we do really well as a team? 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:04.639 Work in separate streams effectively. 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:09.519 So what we do really well together as a team is we work apart. 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:09.840 Yes. 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:11.519 That's how that's how the team works. 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:12.080 That's right. 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:16.080 No, but but truthfully, it's it's kind of like, you know, we come in, we're like, what are you doing today? 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:16.960 What are you doing today? 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:17.200 Cool. 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:23.759 We agree on that task and and we go to work, and there's no like, you know, crossover. 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:26.159 We respect each other's boundaries of that. 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:37.440 I think also not let not being like like having ambition, but not to the point where it's it like sucks the rest of your life away from you. 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:38.080 You know what I mean? 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:40.000 Where it's like that's the one and only goal. 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:44.000 So like there are things that we chase passionately together that that's really awesome. 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:50.320 But then there's this entire opposite side that allows for for more freedom and and mental space. 00:16:50.559 --> 00:17:01.759 Like, I think if I was to summarize the past year, I would say that every area of my life improved since stepping away and starting this. 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:03.519 It's a bold statement. 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:08.240 It's a it's a very bold statement, but I mean like you know, physically I feel better, mentally I feel better. 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:10.720 I see the world so differently. 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:21.279 And those were all things I

wouldn't have known on the other side of like that, you know, that moment of having fear around that decision, right? 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:32.240 So you kind of you run that risk, you take that jump, and then you you somehow like find everything you need on the other side of that, and it's pretty wild. 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:33.039 Yep. 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:34.799 That's why Yup. 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:38.799 That's what I love about entrepreneurship. 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:40.640 Okay, what is one thing? 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:41.920 It's a funny question. 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:47.680 What is one thing about working with me that you think people would find hilarious? 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:51.039 And then what's one thing they would find shocking? 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:55.759 And I only say this because I've worked I mean, we have a team, but nobody's ever in the office with me. 00:17:55.839 --> 00:17:59.359 Like the entire team is remote, minus Jess, who comes in a couple of days a week. 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:02.880 But even then, like she still like has her own space that she works out of. 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:07.920 So since you actually share an office, you live with me too, so that's different. 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:15.119 But what is one thing that people would find hilarious and one thing people would find shocking? 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.400 Yeah, I mean, you're so you're so like just transparent. 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:20.960 I don't know if anyone would find anything shocking. 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:22.960 Like it's not like you hide anything. 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:28.799 I think hilarious is like your your tendencies around desk space and organization. 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:30.000 My OCD? 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:30.559 Yes. 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:37.920 And also you can watch me lock a door and then you will check that door to make sure I locked it. 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:39.039 That's my OCD. 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:43.119 And so when you didn't do that last week, remember I thought we had that breakthrough moment. 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:44.400 I was like, this is amazing. 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.759 And then you're like, God damn it, I forgot to check the door. 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:50.960 Shocking. 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:53.680 No, you just kind of lay it all out. 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:56.240 Yeah, no, I don't like what you see is what you get. 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:57.200 I guess so, yeah. 00:18:57.279 --> 00:18:57.680 That's true. 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:00.079 I just thought maybe you would have some kind of insight that I'm not. 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:02.720 I mean, we talk about everything, so I I'm not surprised. 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:05.359 But if it does come up, I'll I'll let you know. 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:05.839 Okay. 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:09.359 Okay, last question, because then we have a guest waiting for us. 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:14.160 What would you tell corporate Phil five years ago? 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:16.160 Oh, five years ago. 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:17.920 Yeah, five years ago, Phil. 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:24.559 So that means Lola would have been like I don't know, 18 months old. 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:29.359 Just to give you context as to where we were in life from the children's perspective. 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:30.720 Yeah, wow. 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:38.079 Um probably have to open with you don't want to hear this. 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:54.079 It's like it's like that scene from The Departed, because you had it on the other day where Matt Damon's in the interview room with the guy, and he's like, You don't have to listen to me, just hear what I'm saying. 00:19:54.400 --> 00:19:56.160 You know, like that kind of straight talk. 00:19:56.480 --> 00:19:57.279 Oh, that's tough. 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:10.000 Maybe that everything everything you're you're chasing and that you're working for is is right in intention, but you're not gonna find it here. 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:20.559 Now, what would you say to yourself if you were actually talking to a human and not like a a quote in a book? 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:23.599 But that's how I talk to myself and is that actually? 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:25.440 Oh yeah, how am I not know this? 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:30.559 That's like what your inner thought like I'm always intrigued what people's like inner thoughts sound like. 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:32.000 Like, that's how you talk to yourself. 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:34.160 Like you talk to yourself like a philosophy major. 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:36.880 I mean, you are a philosophy major, so okay, you know what? 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:37.599 I'm just tired. 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:38.880 Where have you been? 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:40.240 I'm right here, babe. 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:46.400 Because like the way I would talk to myself, like like that exact sentence would be like, get the fuck out of here. 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:47.440 This is not for you. 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:54.319 No, but if I said that to myself five years ago, you know, it's younger me would have beat me up. 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:56.640 They don't want to hear it. 00:20:56.799 --> 00:20:57.119 Got it. 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:03.039 They were like, you know, eye on the prize, give me that corner office, or you know, whatever that was at the time. 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:08.720 But at the same time, you raise a good point, like, yeah, get the fuck out, like start something sooner. 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:13.920 But also, like, you know, I'm a big advocate of like I wasn't ready at that point. 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:18.559 No, you and it probably would have fallen apart, and then I would have ended up back in the the system. 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:24.000 The system for you would first feel it felt like that at times. 00:21:24.319 --> 00:21:25.599 Alright, well, thank you, Mr. 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:26.319 Ginther. 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:29.759 Congratulations on one year at Grind Media Group. 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:30.319 Thank you. 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:31.279 We love having you. 00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:33.039 We know everybody loves Phil. 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:37.039 It's uh it's a pain point, it's a fun thing in this company. 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:47.920 No, we honestly though, I think you coming in at the exact moment that you did was the perfect like daytime, whatever, the the universalized was serendipitous. 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:49.200 Anyways, we love having you. 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:50.000 Thanks for sharing. 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:50.799 Love being here. 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:52.000 Thanks for answering all my questions. 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:52.880 They weren't that bad. 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:53.839 I thought it was gonna be a good idea. 00:21:54.160 --> 00:22:01.279 No, I was gonna get a little like crude and stuff, but I decided to make this like a nice like get to know Phil episode. 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:07.440 Okay, and now you know my inner dialogue and how I speak to my. 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:09.119 I was still like shocked. 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:11.039 Anyway. 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:12.079 Yeah, that's a weird one. 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:17.839 Anyways, thank you for listening, for watching wherever you are tuning into Marketing Sucks. 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:19.519 We will talk to you next week. 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:20.640 Have a good one. 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:21.599 Bye.