Celine Cremer UPDATE - Tasmania - Australia의 전체 녹취록

a few. 36 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:33.319 Patreon shout outs before we get going, So thank you 37 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:38.719 to Sarah McCoy, Ashley Estrada, Dana Tally. And that's it. 38 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:42.240 I thought we had more. If you want to call 39 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:46.000 the show, you can call two eight three nine one three. 40 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:49.520 We also have some other podcasts on the network you 41 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:52.120 can check out off the trails. Who runs this park? 42 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:55.439 Crime off the Grid and relish. If you want to 43 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:58.520 support the show, you can support us through Patreon, YouTube memberships, 44 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:02.120 premium subscriptions, and Apple buy some stuff on our store. 45 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:06.080 You can always just like and comment wherever you find 46 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:09.159 locations unknown. It helps with the algorithms. Outside of that, 47 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:10.199 what's been going on with you? 48 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:13.080 Joe just got back from Cozumela on a diving trip. 49 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:16.879 It was amazing. I did not get lost in the ocean. 50 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:19.639 That's good. Those goods on back and that's why it's 51 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:20.360 been taking so long. 52 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:21.800 But you didn't didn't drink the water? 53 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:23.800 I did not? Well, I did at the resort. We 54 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:27.840 had clean water, Okay, so it's perfect. Yeah, So all right, everybody, 55 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:31.120 let's gear up and get out to explore locations unknown. 56 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:51.639 In August twenty twenty three, we covered the disappearance of 57 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:54.840 a thirty one year old Belgian traveler who vanished after 58 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:58.039 setting out on a short walk to Philosopher Falls in 59 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:02.199 the dense rainforest of northwest Tasmania. What appeared to be 60 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:05.360 a brief tourist hike quickly became a mystery shaped by 61 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:11.280 harsh winter weather, difficult terrain, and weeks of intense search efforts. Now, 62 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:14.680 nearly three years later, new developments have brought investigators and 63 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:18.319 her family closer to understanding what may have happened. In 64 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:21.959 this update episode, we revisit the case, walk through the 65 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:25.879 latest search efforts, examine newly discovered evidence, and look at 66 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:30.040 how phone data, volunteer searches, and the unforgiving landscape around 67 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:34.920 Philosopher Falls have reshaped in the leading theory in Selene's disappearance. 68 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:39.199 Join us this week as we continue the investigation into 69 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:42.240 the mysterious disappearance of Selene Kremer. 70 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:47.560 So, we've never gotten more comments on our episode like hey, 71 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:50.439 you know big updates in the case, were like, yeah, 72 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:52.639 we did this episode three years ago, Like. 73 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:56.639 Oh, like everyone is aware of the updates. Like a 74 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:58.480 lot of people, a lot of people are aware of 75 00:04:58.519 --> 00:04:59.839 this show and they're like, hey, let's go. 76 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:03.000 They're like, hey, there's these big updates, and I would 77 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:04.839 reply back like, yeah, we know, we did this three 78 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:05.279 years ago. 79 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:09.639 So you know what I was wondering just now, Yeah, 80 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:12.199 I wonder how many of those people are listeners who 81 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:15.680 knew or they just found out about the case and 82 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:18.680 that there's updates, and then they'd like Go Keyboard Warrior, 83 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:21.560 all the podcasts like to be important. Yeah, I don't know. 84 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:23.600 I mean I'm not saying that's a bad thing, Like 85 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:25.240 we get to find out either way. But I never 86 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:28.160 thought of it that way, except I always assumed it 87 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:31.600 was just listeners who remember every episode right and come 88 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:33.240 back and like, oh, I knew about this, but I 89 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:36.279 didn't realize that maybe just amongst the lost forms, when 90 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:38.720 an update goes, everyone just runs to everywhere. It's like 91 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:39.519 the town crier. 92 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:42.279 Yeah. I mean I think for a while there, the 93 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:44.720 case was blowing back up again and we were showing 94 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:47.040 up in a lot of the search results. 95 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:48.639 That's what I'm saying. They're listening to the like hey, 96 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:50.480 this is out of date, and then we come comment 97 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:52.160 and it was just kind of funny. 98 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:55.000 People are like almost like mad at us, like hey, 99 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:57.680 like they're like, yeah, sorry, we did this three years ago. 100 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:00.000 Yeah, you know, I wonder what the conversion rate is 101 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:01.920 on those people. Yeah, I don't know. 102 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:04.800 But yeah, we released our original episode in August of 103 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:05.879 twenty twenty. 104 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:07.439 Three, so all right, a few years ago. 105 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:12.120 So we're just gonna go through a quick location climate 106 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:14.399 profile and then

we'll get into timeline love it. 107 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:17.000 So Selene disappeared in one of those spots that looks 108 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:19.920 like a quick tourist walk on paper, but sits inside 109 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:22.920 very serious country once you step off the built path. 110 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:26.759 So Philosopher Falls is a short rainforest track about ten 111 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:30.959 minutes drive south of the small mining town of Warata 112 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:37.480 in northwest tans Mania. Ches. I'm the we had computer 113 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:39.720 issues for like an hour and a half. We should 114 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:41.680 be done recording right now, and it's thrown me off 115 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:45.560 on the fridge in the Tarkien Fringe fringe of the 116 00:06:45.639 --> 00:06:49.160 Darkian near Savage River National Park. Yeah, this is going 117 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:51.199 to be a rough one with your voice and in 118 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:56.000 my mental acuity. The drive is a simple sealed then 119 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:59.600 unsealed road with a small car park in a clearly 120 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:03.800 marked trailhead leading into cool, temperate rainforest. The form walk 121 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:06.759 is roughly one point eight miles or three kilometers return, 122 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:09.319 with about three hundred and fifty to three hundred and 123 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.319 eighty feet or one hundred and fifteen meters of elevation gain, 124 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:16.000 and is usually graded as an easy to moderate one 125 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:18.279 to one and a half hour outing to a fenced 126 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:21.639 viewing platform above multi tiered waterfall. So this is a 127 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:25.759 very tourist friendly, like kind of paved path that lots 128 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:28.439 of people do. It's short, quick and sweet, should be 129 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:31.480 so that tourist friendly track sits at about six hundred 130 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:35.680 and sixty six fifty meters of elevation in a band 131 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:38.519 of forest that gets a regular winter snow, icy rain, 132 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:41.360 and sub zero overnight temperatures. I just never think of 133 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:45.800 rainforest and snow in ice. I don't. So once you 134 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:48.240 leave the form path and the safety railings, the terrain 135 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:52.720 changes immediately steep side slopes dropping towards the creek, slick 136 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:57.040 roots and mossy rock, tangled her horizontal scrub that forces 137 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:00.600 you to push and crawl in a maze of old water, 138 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:05.680 raised cuttings, and informal footpads that are not signposted, not maintained, 139 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:09.920 and not obvious from above. The broader setting is a 140 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:13.600 remote is remote by Tasmanian standards, but still close enough 141 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:18.079 to a town to feel deceptively tame. Waratah is only 142 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:20.560 about nine to ten kilometers away by road. Yet the 143 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:24.240 bush around the falls and the Arthur River seven mile 144 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:27.240 creek corridor is dense, dark and slow to move through, 145 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:31.199 with limited phone reception and very few obvious landmarks, you're 146 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:35.840 off Once you're off track, you're off track. Yeah. That 147 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:39.879 combination a short Instagram hike quote unquote at the edge 148 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:42.960 of serious rainforest winter conditions and a maze of unmarked 149 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:46.360 features defines the location where Slen parked her car, walked in, 150 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:49.919 left the trail, and ultimately vanished. So a little bit 151 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:53.639 about the climate where she met missing is classic West 152 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:57.919 Coast Tasmania, cool, wet, voltle with winter conditions that can 153 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:02.919 turn deadly fast if you're lightly Equippedall sits at the 154 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:07.919 Takana rainforest belt of northwest Tasmania, a region with a cool, 155 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:12.480 temperate maritime climate, mild by Australian standards, but very wet, 156 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:17.080 especially on the western slopes. Statewide, summers are comfortable, with 157 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:19.960 winters cold and windy, with average highs in winter around 158 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:23.799 eleven to thirteen celsius that's the low fifties on the coast, 159 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:28.000 and colder again inland at an elevation the broader islands, 160 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:32.600 winter maximums typically run about three to eleven degrees celsius. 161 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:38.480 The Stanley and Tarkaine region, which covers Wartaw and the 162 00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:42.039 surrounding rainforest, gets up to two four hundred millimeters of 163 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:44.480 rainy year, making it one of the wettest parts of 164 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:48.639 Tasmania and keeping the rainforest lush, but trails frequently met wet, 165 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:52.240 muddy and slippery. Up in the rainforest where the Philosopher 166 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:54.960 Falls track runs at roughly six hundred to six hundred 167 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:58.080 and fifty meters of elevation. That maritime pattern translates into 168 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:01.879 frequent low cloud, regular rain and drizzle, and a lot 169 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:06.159 of cold, damp days even outside midwinter. In winter and 170 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:09.679 early spring, it's common to see snowfalls, icy winds, and 171 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:13.519

overnight frosts on the higher ground, with daytime highs sometimes 172 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.519 only just above freezing and the wind chill pushing perceived 173 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:21.399 temperatures lower. Walker's trip reports talk about raining and the 174 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:24.840 forest dripping as a normal experience, and locals warn that 175 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:28.039 weather can pivot quickly from clear to sleet or hail, 176 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:32.000 especially around fronts, exactly the pattern that was in place 177 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:36.759 during the June July twenty twenty three season, when freezing temperatures, 178 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:40.840 snow and rain triggered a bush walker's a weather alert 179 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:43.559 for the Warataw area. I'm gonna look up what that 180 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:47.840 is when you're talking, Okay, A bushwalker's weather alert that 181 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:50.960 mix cold air, high rainfall, frequent wind, and rapid weather 182 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.879 changes over rugged shaded terrain creates high hypothermia risks for 183 00:10:54.879 --> 00:11:00.360 anyone caught out without proper insulation, waterproofs, and shelter partiarticularly 184 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:02.919 in June when the wet season is ramping up and 185 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:05.639 days are short. Tell us about Selene Kremer. 186 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:09.000 Mike, Yeah, so real quick here. Her name was Selene Kremer. 187 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:12.720 She was born June thirteenth of nineteen ninety two. Her 188 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:17.440 last confirmed sighting was June seventeenth, twenty twenty three, when 189 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:20.879 she was reported missing. June twenty sixth of twenty twenty three. 190 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:24.080 Like Joe said, she was thirty one at the time 191 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:27.600 of her disappearance. She was approximately five foot five to 192 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:32.480 five foot seven. We don't have a reported weight, but 193 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:35.320 she was described as average build. She had brown hair, 194 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:41.720 brown eyes, no other widely reported distinguishing marks like tattoos 195 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:45.039 or scars. Okay, clothing and gears she was last seen in, 196 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:47.240 so she was believed to being dressed for a short 197 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:51.000 light day hike, not an overnight or multi day trip. 198 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:55.799 Reports and later Fine suggests she wore layered clothing, including 199 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:59.240 a thermal top and a polar fleece jacket with additional 200 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:03.320 basic Graham protection improvised from a garbage bag, and she 201 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:05.919 carried a small pack with limited food and water and 202 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:09.559 her phone. Personality wise, she was portrayed by family and 203

00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:14.399 friends as very adventurous and curious and optimistic, someone who 204 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:18.480 loved nature and travel and who had saved and planned 205 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:21.679 for a long Australian trip for years. And you know, 206 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:25.759 she was very comfortable with independent and solo travel to 207 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:30.039 remote areas, and this is backed up by a lot 208 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:34.000 of her social media posts and photos. Far as medical issues, 209 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:39.320 there was nothing publicly indicated that I have any significance, 210 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:43.879 you know, pre existing conditions such as seizures or cardiac 211 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:48.159 issues or any mobility issues and pretty much just a 212 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:53.320 healthy adult. There really wasn't anything to go on for 213 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:58.159 that occupation hobby. Back in Belgium, Selene worked in roles 214 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:00.519 that allowed her to save and then take it extended 215 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:05.399 travel time. Sources sometimes describe her as having an ordinary 216 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:10.080 job rather than a professional guiding her outdoor career and 217 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:17.000 her hobbies were travel, hiking, photography. She was actively exploring 218 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:20.799 Tasmania at this time. Sounds like a fun, fun trip 219 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:23.200 Joe's got some pictures over her that he's showing on 220 00:13:23.240 --> 00:13:24.039 the screen here. 221 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:28.360 Not yet. I always do that, yep, experience in the wilderness. 222 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:31.559 So Selene had enough outdoor experience to really be comfortable 223 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:36.039 during solo hikes on mark trails and foreign countries. She 224 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:40.720 had spent months traveling around the island visiting popular natural 225 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:45.960 sites and appeared very confident on maintain trails. At the 226 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:49.200 same time, though, there is no sign she was a 227 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:53.960 specialist pushwalker as they call him out there, and evidence 228 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.919 suggests she treated Philosopher Falls as a short tourist walk, 229 00:13:57.039 --> 00:14:01.320 not a serious backcountry trip. So, like we said, light clothing, 230 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:05.200 no overnight gear, stuff like that. So her experience level 231 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:08.679 for what she intended to do is pretty normal. I mean, 232 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:12.919 the trail she was taking was well maintained quick, it 233 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:15.440 was going to be in and out, so you know, nothing, 234 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:19.279 no red flags there. So we'll jump right into timeline 235 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:22.559 here and I will cover the timeline

kind of leading 236 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:25.799 up to our original episode, and then we'll go into 237 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:29.919 the new theory or the new developments, and then at 238 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:33.240 the end we're going to play our old theories. I 239 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:37.039 love it, and then we will discuss the new theories 240 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:40.919 that have come about since the New Discoveries. Our timeline 241 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:44.799 starts early twenty twenty three, so Sleen had been living 242 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:48.519 in Tasmania for about six months, using Hobart as a 243 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:51.919 loose base while she explored the island. She spent that 244 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:56.960 time hiking and sight seeing, and on February twenty second 245 00:14:56.960 --> 00:14:59.519 of twenty twenty three, she posted a photo from the 246 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:03.080 top of Mount Wellington with the caption a Little Devil 247 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:06.399 in Tasmania, which was a snapshot of how much she 248 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:10.039 had fallen in love with landscape. Her family would later 249 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:12.159 go on to say that she had already booked her 250 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:15.799 next step, a fairy trip on the Spirit of Tasmania 251 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:19.919 to Victoria on June twenty first. Unfortunately, this was a 252 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:23.200 booking she never made. In the months before winter, she 253 00:15:23.240 --> 00:15:27.519 became especially drawn to the temperate rainforests and old mining 254 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:32.360 country in the northwest around Warta and the Philosopher Falls. 255 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:36.000 She's been all over the island. It's mid June two 256 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:39.759 thousand and three, twenty twenty three. In the days leading 257 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:42.879 up to her disappearance, Sleen stayed in interminute touch with 258 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:46.200 friends and family back in Belgium. Early media reports put 259 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:51.320 her last contact somewhere between the twelfth and sixteenth of June, 260 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:54.279 reflecting that no one initially knew the exact day she 261 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:57.799 stopped replying. Police later summarized that she had not been 262 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:01.279 in contact since the twelfth, but they were clear that 263 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:05.440 the last confirmed sighting came a little later. By Saturday, 264 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:10.639 June seventeenth, she had traveled to Warataw, a small historic 265 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:16.240 mining town about nine kilometers from Flaster Falls trailhead. Multiple 266 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:20.559 police briefings and news stories now agree that this is 267 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:25.240 the last time anyone definitively remembered seeing her, with Inspector 268 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:29.240 Andrew Hansen later calling it the last confirmed sighting and 269 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:33.480 describing her as alone driving a white Honda CRV, and 270 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:36.159 at some point in that day she drove the short 271 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:40.000 unsealed road from town out to Flaster Falls car Park. 272 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:44.480 The main track from there is a graded signposted one 273 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:48.200 point six mile out and back walk through dense rainforest 274 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:53.000 to a waterfall viewing platform. But beyond that built path, 275 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:56.919 like Shoe described, the country becomes very remote, steep and 276 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:00.960 tangled with vegetation. Easy hike if you stay on, very 277 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:03.799 difficult if you go off trail at all. So on 278 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:08.000 June seventeenth, Selene left her Honda at the car park. 279 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:11.880 From all intents and purposes, was a short day hike 280 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:15.279 to the falls and back. She was, like I said earlier, 281 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:17.680 only equipped for a light outing, no overnight gear, no 282 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:22.720 heavy cold weather layers, which police emphasized this early on 283 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:26.200 in the search, so it was very important for them 284 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:28.000 to mention that it was going to be a very 285 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:32.839 light walk. For and for many months, the only solid 286 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:36.599 framework for her movements that day came from police statements 287 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:39.920 that her phone was believed to have lost signal around 288 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:43.039 the twentieth of June, and that she likely left the 289 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:46.519 car sometime in that window for a day walk. Later, 290 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:50.519 privately commissioned analysis of tower hits and at base GPS 291 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:55.319 lugs added more granularity to her movements, placing her leaving 292 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:59.440 the car park in mid afternoon, following the track to 293 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:03.279 the falls, and then continuing beyond the platform into scrubby 294 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:08.559 steep ground above the waterfall. But they treated those details 295 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:11.640 as tentative because they didn't come from the initial police record. 296 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:16.640 So in those reconstructions, her phone's GPS shows positions along 297 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:20.119 a water race line and up to and up onto 298 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:24.440 a ridge, with a final recorded point around four eighteen pm, 299 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:28.279 as she appears to turn back off track into the rain. 300 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:32.599 Police themselves stayed in their statements to the public very broad. 301 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:36.279

They said they believe she left the mark trail, became 302 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:39.960 lost and confused and very dense brush, and never made 303 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:43.039 it back to the car before dark. What everyone could 304 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:46.279 agree on at this time was that after late afternoon 305 00:18:46.279 --> 00:18:48.240 on the seventeenth, no one saw her return to the 306 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:51.640 car park, no further calls or messages went out, and 307 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:56.119 the Honda remained locked and unattended. So between June eighteenth 308 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:00.400 and twenty fifth, other walkers continued to use Lost or 309 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:04.279 Falls track. When the missing person's investigation got rolling, police 310 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:07.480 later said they heard from several hikers who had been 311 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:11.119 in the area between the seventeenth and the end of 312 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:14.000 the month, with memories of cars in the car park 313 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:17.400 and people on the trail. One specific appeal went out 314 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:20.319 for a person on the trail around two thirty pm Sunday, 315 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:24.359 June eighteenth. Officers stressed this was not a suspect, just 316 00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:27.960 someone who might help fill in the timeline. The walker 317 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:33.039 was eventually identified and interviewed, but didn't have any anything 318 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:37.680 that definitively pinned down Selene's movements, so then June twenty 319 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:40.839 first came and went without her boarding the Spirit of 320 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:44.759 Tasmania to Victoria. That missed fairy was a huge red 321 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:48.279 flag for her family and friends, who had been expecting 322 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:51.400 to hear from her as she crossed to the mainland. 323 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:54.920 As days passed with no messages and no sign of 324 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:58.559 her on the ferry manifest they escalated their concern to 325 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:03.559 the Tasmanian authorities. It's now June twenty sixth. It's a 326 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:07.839 Monday of twenty twenty three. Tasmanian Police receive a formal 327 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:11.599 concern for welfare report from Selene's friends and family. Publicly, 328 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:14.759 they described a Belgian woman traveling the state in a 329 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:17.839 white Honda CRV, last seen in Hobart and believed to 330 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:20.839 be headed toward the West coast, and asked anyone who 331 00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:23.839 had seen her or her vehicle since June twelfth to 332 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:29.960 contact them. The next day, June twenty seventh, officers checking 333 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:34.440 likely west coast locations right away found her SUV parked 334 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:37.759 at the car park. The vehicle was locked and unattended. 335 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:40.240 There was no trace of Selene in the immediate area. 336 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:44.440 Search and Rescue teams supported by a police drone then 337 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:48.279 immediately began searching around the car park and along the 338 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:52.039 walking track, and police closed the whole area to the 339 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:55.559 public so they could work without any interference. And it 340 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:58.240 looks like Joe is showing some pictures. 341 00:20:57.799 --> 00:21:01.519 Of the yes search, look at all that is? Yeah, 342 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:02.680 it is gnarly. 343 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:04.400 That is some thick jungle. 344 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:10.519 Yeah, the bush, the bush? Right, I had a search 345 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:11.039 and the bush. 346 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:13.519 Then, Mike, I had a guy the other day delivered 347 00:21:13.640 --> 00:21:16.200 door dash to our house that sounded like the Crocodile Hunter. 348 00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:19.559 It was pretty funny bringing in some doll dash. I 349 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:20.920 Mike I almost like. 350 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:23.079 Asked him, like, could you record a few lines from me? 351 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:28.480 Like some dar dash lines in Australia show? Yeah, did 352 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:29.519 you know why? 353 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:30.119 I don't know? 354 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:32.920 Do it? Next time? I will order from the same guy. 355 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:34.920 I have to figure out who who is? You should 356 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:37.119 be able to look up your driver. Yeah, I don't remember, 357 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:40.680 like you know, go on your app and learn history. 358 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:43.319 What do you mean, of course? Do you remember what 359 00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:45.759 you ate? What do you deliver? I was shrimp on 360 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:49.880 a ball eight right? Where was I playing? Knife? Spoony? 361 00:21:50.039 --> 00:21:52.720 Knife, spooney, that's not a knife. 362 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:55.920 So you played naifey spoony before. 363 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:03.079 Okay, so sorry, I'm just gonna swap my section out 364 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:04.480 with like an Australian guy. 365 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:09.559 Yeah, crocking. My threat's been hurt. Got a bit ill 366 00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:11.480 the other day from the little lads running around. 367 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:17.640 All right, It's now Wednesday, June twenty eighth. Ground teams 368 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:21.279 and drone and the drone unit continued to grid the 369 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:25.799 Philosopher Falls area with a police helicopter on standby. There 370 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:30.640 was a cold front rolling over Tasmania's west, which meant 371 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:35.599 conditions were

already deteriorating. There was light snowfalling, a bushwalker's 372 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:39.559 weather alert was active, and nighttime temperatures were dropping below freezing. 373 00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:46.720 By June twenty ninth, Inspector Anthea Maingey was blunt about 374 00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:50.400 the seriousness of the situation. She laid out what had 375 00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:55.039 been done ground cruise drones, planned helicopter sorties, and underline 376 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:57.839 that no sign of Sleen had turned up since the 377 00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:01.559 car was found. She warned that the combination of freezing temperatures, 378 00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:06.559 snow and rain had created conditions not survivable for the 379 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:09.119 length of time that celine is thought to have been 380 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:13.400 exposed in the wilderness, and this was a conclusion obviously 381 00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:16.559 backed by medical advice and based on what she was 382 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:20.680 wearing and packed with her she was not prepared for 383 00:23:20.839 --> 00:23:24.680 conditions below freezing with snow and wind and all that stuff. 384 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:28.160 So at this stage police believed her car had been 385 00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:31.359 sitting in the car park since at least June twentieth, 386 00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:35.000 and later refinements to this suggested it might have been 387 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:38.680 there since as early as June seventeenth, based on witness 388 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:42.880 reports and phone activity analysis. But throughout they hammered the 389 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:45.160 point that she had only packed for a light day 390 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:46.599 when she left. 391 00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:50.599 Okay, So Bushwicker's Weather ALERTE was a specific weather alert 392 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:55.839 advised by meteorological agencies in Australia, warning hikers and campers 393 00:23:55.839 --> 00:24:01.720 of forecast conditions at post severe risk outdoor safety. That 394 00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:05.480 like the triggers are what you'd expect, high heat, high winds, cold, wet, 395 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:08.720 stuff like that. Yeah, but best practices are saying if 396 00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:12.680 they issue a Bushwalker's Weather Alert, like you're supposed to postpone, 397 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:14.880 cancel or completely re route your trip to avoid the 398 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:18.200 affected areas. They're not saying like be careful or dress appropriately. 399 00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:21.279 They're just saying like, just don't just don't do it. 400 00:24:21.319 --> 00:24:25.000 So they must only do that if it's very hazardous, 401 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:27.200 and if we have some listeners from down on that 402 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:29.240 you can let us know if that's true. 403 00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:32.559 I wonder in the US what

that would be, like 404 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:37.200 a severe like a winter storm warning if they yes, but. 405 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:40.279 They don't ever like say, hey, I guess, yeah, I guess, 406 00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:42.480 Like there's probably somewhere written like if we issue this, 407 00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:43.359 this is the record. 408 00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:46.079 Probably like yeah, like if they issue one for like Yoseboy, 409 00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:49.119 maybe they add some language like change your plans. 410 00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:51.640 Yeah, that's like when you were there and it was 411 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:56.920 on fire. Yeah, and like, hey, maybe you don't camp here. Yeah, 412 00:24:57.039 --> 00:24:57.759 it's on fire. 413 00:24:57.880 --> 00:24:59.599 There's literally ash falling from the sky. 414 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:02.920 Maybe. Yeah, you see how everyone's leaving their homes. Yes, 415 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:07.799 don't go into the woods either. Yeah. Okay, I guess 416 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:09.279 I could have guessed that, but I wanted to make 417 00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:10.839 sure it was correct. Yeah. 418 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:14.960 So it's now Friday, June thirtieth, and the search now 419 00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:19.000 is focusing more on the waterfall and gorge itself. Search 420 00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:22.839 and rescue specialists repelled from the viewing platform down towards 421 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:26.839 the base of Philosopher Falls, checking ledges, cliff faces, and 422 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:30.880 thick vegetation along the watercourse or any signs of a fall, 423 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:34.559 maybe a shelter or drop gear. Walking tracks stayed close 424 00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:38.559 again to the public while they worked. It's now July first. 425 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:43.200 This is when Tasmanian SES teams brought in ATVs to 426 00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:47.880 work forestry and access roads around the falls. They extend, 427 00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:51.480 you know, extending the search net outwards. While detectives got 428 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:55.160 piecing together her movements between the seventeenth and when she 429 00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:59.000 was reported missing, people who'd walk there in the period 430 00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:03.599 continued to forward with what they'd seen. On Sunday, July second, 431 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:07.799 Search and Rescue and SES personnel ran a track offset 432 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.119 search along Butler's Road in the morning. In the afternoon, 433 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:15.119 the weather finally cooperated enough for the Westpac Rescue helicopter 434 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.680 to fly, giving them an aerial view of the Philosopher 435 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:22.400 Falls region that hadn't been possible in the earlier low 436 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:25.720 cloud and snow. All Right, so we're getting into the 437 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:31.319 final update of our previous episode. So it is July 438 00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:35.880 ninth and tenth of twenty twenty three. So after almost 439 00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:40.960 two straight weeks of operations in this crazy statement snow 440 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:45.839 affected rainforest, Tasmanian police did a full review of the search. 441 00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:49.720 By Sunday, July ninth, they were already signaling a wind down. 442 00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:54.119 On Monday, July tenth, Commander Stuart Wilkinson formally announced that 443 00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:57.920 the major ground and air search around Warsaw and the 444 00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:01.799 Philosopher Falls area was being suspended. He walked through just 445 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:05.200 how much had been thrown at the case, police and 446 00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:10.559 SES ground crews, specialist swift water teams, ATVs, drones, and 447 00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:15.359 repeated helicopter missions, and acknowledged that considerable search efforts have 448 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:19.160 been undertaken in difficult terrain and treacherous weather conditions, but 449 00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:23.200 unfortunately Sleen has not been located. He also made it 450 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.039 clear that, based on medical advice, she could not have 451 00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:29.680 survived the duration and severity of the conditions she likely 452 00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:34.000 experienced since going missing, and at the same time he 453 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:38.720 emphasized that the missing person investigation itself stayed active. The 454 00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:41.359 message was boots were coming off the ground for now, 455 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.759 but the file was not being closed. So that's where 456 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:49.039 our old episode left off. We are now going to 457 00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:54.079 pick up the new developments in the case since our 458 00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:58.319 last episode. It's now late July twenty twenty three, so 459 00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:02.519 new pieces of information later that month, which was primarily 460 00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:07.680 refined phone activity analysis and possible earlier sightings over Honda 461 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.440 the car park were enough to justify one more targeted push. 462 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:15.400 On Friday July twenty eighth, Tasmanian Police called in a 463 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:17.880 new South Wales Police could have her dog team to 464 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:21.319 search a fresh area of interest around Philosopher Falls and 465 00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:27.039 Ward Zone. Inspector Mangay said this updated phone data had 466 00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:30.759 given them the tighter focus area and that police and 467 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.880 SES crews had already been through it on foot that 468 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:35.400 week without finding anything. 469 00:28:36.119 -->

00:28:38.680 The dog team worked through. 470 00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:41.960 The weekend, but by Monday, July thirty, First Commander Wilkinson 471 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.319 had to announce that this renewed effort also ended with 472 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:49.079 no sign of Selene. He repeated the line that when 473 00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:52.440 a person remains missing, the case never closes, and this 474 00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:55.720 is something that we've see all the time in cases 475 00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:59.480 we cover, so now it's when it starts getting interesting. 476 00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:03.759 Two twenty four is Selene's family retained Australian private guest 477 00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:07.480 investigator can Gamble to re examine the case, believing that 478 00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:11.119 further analysis of digital data and on the ground searching 479 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:15.640 might reveal what the twenty twenty three operations missed. With 480 00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:19.599 the family's permission, Gamble obtained access to her phone and 481 00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:24.319 Google account data, reconstructing app based GPS lugs and tower 482 00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:29.680 connections from the day she disappeared. His analysis suggested that 483 00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:32.480 after leaving the march trail near the falls, Selene had 484 00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:36.759 pushed into the section of horizontal scrub and possibly followed 485 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.359 a water race alignment away from the track before her 486 00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:43.839 phone's GPS activity ceased in the afternoon. 487 00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:46.680 What do you got here? So, I'm I was looking 488 00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:49.279 at what horizontal scrub was? Yeah? Is that something that 489 00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:52.519 I don't think we have here? And it's a tree 490 00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:55.920 that girls? Let me pull up the I'm trying to 491 00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:58.400 find like a video of it. Yeah, I just went 492 00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:03.279 to like full screen some very ob naxious like legitimately 493 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:04.960 don't know how to get out of this. Facebook. There 494 00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:09.279 we go, Facebook, you dummy. I'm gonna read exactly what 495 00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:13.079 it says on here. Give me an ai. It sounds 496 00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:16.240 like you're asking about the vory is horizontal scrub found 497 00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:19.119 in Tasmania. It gets his name because its slender trunks 498 00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:22.960 grow vertically, topple over and fall down horizontal, creating an 499 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:28.000 almost impenetrable tangled mess of vegetation. That bushwalkers must traverse 500 00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:31.799 sounds awful. Yeah, because it's so incredibly solid and dense, 501 00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:34.880 Walkers often have to literally tread or walk on top 502 00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:37.920 of this elevated layer of scrub, which can sometimes sit 503 00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:41.519 several meters above the actual forest floor. Wow, so you're 504 00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:44.279 like walking in the canopy ish type of like, yeah, 505 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.359 just walking high up, navigating through or falling through. The 506 00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:51.440 tangled mess is a major hazard in Tasmania's wilderness and 507 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:54.960 is the cause of significant injury, getting disoriented and being 508 00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:58.440 severely delayed on the trail. Here's what you need to 509 00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:01.319 know about the infamous horizontal scrub. So basically like walking 510 00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:04.079 on top of plants that can just give way, and 511 00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.039 they said they'll get covered with moss because it's the rainforest. 512 00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:09.200 So it's not only are you walking on these branches 513 00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:12.400 that have gone other sideways. Yeah, you now have moss 514 00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:14.480 on it, so it like blankets it. So if there 515 00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:17.200 is like a hole or like a small twig that 516 00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:19.759 you'd like crack through, it's like you're just stepping into 517 00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:24.119 a hole. Sounds dangerous and sounds super dangerous. Hike. Yeah, 518 00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:27.880 So that's gnarly. I'm glad we don't have that yeah. 519 00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.680 So Campbell concluded that she had left the main path, 520 00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:33.599 tried to cut back towards the car park or refuge, 521 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.839 and became very badly lost in extremely dense bush as 522 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.880 the winter rains set in, with no evidence of another 523 00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:47.400 person's involvement. So also Tasmanian filmmaker and YouTuber Rob Parsons 524 00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:50.839 became interested in the case. Around the same time, he 525 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:55.039 began producing a multi part series, The Search for Selene Kramer, 526 00:31:55.440 --> 00:32:00.240 and his name came up a lot in comments on 527 00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:03.480 our episode. Everyone's like, you need to check out this 528 00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:07.759 guy Rob Parson who is doing a like a search 529 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:12.039 and recording it. I mean, I'm very familiar with his name. 530 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:16.759 So he called it the Search for Selene Kremer, and 531 00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:22.359 he combined on location explorations, interviews, and reconstructions of a 532 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:26.480 route based on Gamble's data. His videos, hosted on YouTube 533 00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:30.400 and heavily shared via Facebook and Instagram, reached a global 534 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:34.759 audience and gradually recruited an informal army of local hikers 535

00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:38.240 and bushmen willing to volunteer in the private search efforts 536 00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:42.480 in the Philosopher Falls area. Throughout twenty twenty four, small 537 00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.759 groups associated with this effort returned to the bush near 538 00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:50.519 the area, scouting ridges, gullies and the Arthur River corridor 539 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:55.119 for any sign of gear or remains. Unfortunately, none of 540 00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:59.440 these early trips produced breakthrough, so between twenty twenty four 541 00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:03.799 and twenty five mid twenty twenty five, it was really 542 00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:06.880 just kind of slow progress. So by June of twenty 543 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:10.960 twenty four, exactly a year after he disappearance, commentaris in 544 00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:15.319 outlets like The Tasmanian Times observed that Sleen's whereabouts were 545 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:17.640 no closer to closure than they were a year earlier. 546 00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:22.000 They noted that Tasmania Police and SES had effectively drawn 547 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:25.440 a blank and were unlikely to launch further official ground 548 00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:29.240 searches without new information, leaving most on the groundwork to 549 00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:34.240 family backed and volunteer efforts. During autumn of twenty twenty five, 550 00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:38.000 police did quietly recommence a targeted search in the area 551 00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:42.680 northwest of Philosopher Falls, based on updated phone paying information 552 00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:46.759 forwarded from the private investigation reports that Jess Gamble was 553 00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:52.440 present or consulted during that operation. Even with this insider assistance, 554 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:56.160 the searchers did not locate any conclusive evidence, no clothing, bones, 555 00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.880 or gear, so by mid twenty twenty five, Ken Gamble 556 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:03.960 to me that he had letter anticipated nearly a dozen 557 00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:07.599 separate searches in the area, and most of them documented 558 00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:11.320 in some way by Parsons videos or referenced in Reddit 559 00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:13.719 discussions of people following the case. 560 00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:15.679 So, okay, those are the people that came and let 561 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:19.880 let us know we need update. Yes, probably, so real quick, 562 00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:23.519 real quick. Here's that a good video of it. Yeah. 563 00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:26.199 Can you see how like, yeah, far down the forest 564 00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:26.639 floor is. 565 00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:28.599 Think how slowly you'd boom moved through that? 566 00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:32.039 So like look at this, you got to walk on that. Yeah, 567 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:34.239 so if you

slip and fall there, you can bust 568 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.400 your leg with a heavy pack on. Yeah, you're like, 569 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:41.960 it's like the second floor of the forest. Yeah, that's gnarly. 570 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.079 That's so wild that there's just people like hiking on 571 00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:49.119 different levels. Yeah, that's weird, the next level of hiking. 572 00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:56.159 Yeah nice, all right, all right, all right that training 573 00:34:56.239 --> 00:35:00.320 video for like steakhouse. Yeah, do you watch a game yesterday? 574 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:04.199 All right, it's like training people how to talk in 575 00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:08.159 the buffet line that it's like for like harassment. It 576 00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:11.119 is it still hot out there? All right? 577 00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:16.719 All right, go ahead, all right, So it is December 578 00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:20.559 of twenty twenty five, we have a major shift in 579 00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:23.440 the case. At this time, Selene's friends and family, coordinated 580 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:28.320 with Gamble and Parsons, organized a renewed five day search 581 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:32.159 operation Your Philosopher False, drawing about thirty volunteers, including several 582 00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:34.519 of her Belgian friends who flew out. 583 00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:35.360 Specifically to help. 584 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:39.440 This privately organized search was not led by police, but 585 00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:43.519 police were aware of it and offered support. On December thirteenth, 586 00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:48.039 on the hours into operation, the team made their first 587 00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:51.960 concrete discovery since twenty twenty three. In dense scrub at 588 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:56.639 a location variously described as roughly sixty meters from our 589 00:35:56.760 --> 00:36:00.280 last known GPS coordinates and around three meters off the 590 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:04.199 walking path. A volunteer at the back of the line, 591 00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:09.639 identified by the media's Tony Hage, spotted a purple Samsung phone. 592 00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:13.760 So Celia's friends immediately recognized it as her phone. 593 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:15.079 So they found her phone. 594 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.039 Can you imagine that's luck? 595 00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.719 Yeah, that's because like just looking at these search photos, 596 00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:26.079 we'll hear I mean, this is like a little more open. 597 00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:34.519 But that's if she walked exactly here, exactly there. Yeah. Yeah. 598 00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:38.039 So the police quickly confirmed that the device plunged to 599 00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:42.239 Selene and issued a media release stating that the phone 600 00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:45.880 would undergo forensic examination. They also announced that in light 601 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:50.199 of this find, the police resources would formally join the 602 00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:55.159 independent search effort, with trained search and rescue officers and 603 00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:58.880 SEES volunteers to be on the ground whenever weather allowed. 604 00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:02.760 In the days that followed, the same volunteer group located 605 00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:05.960 additional items in the vicinity. They located a water bottle, 606 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:09.000 a plastic garbage bag that appeared to have been fashioned 607 00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:13.639 into a makeshift poncho. Gamble described these finds in interviews, 608 00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:17.079 cautioning that it was not yet certain that the water 609 00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:20.639 bottle was Sleens, but acknowledging it is a significant clue 610 00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:24.480 in an area otherwise devoid of human debris. So police 611 00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:28.199 collected these items for DNA and trace analysis. In some 612 00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:33.760 media posts and Reddit threads tracking the search shared rough coordinates, 613 00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:37.360 photos of the dense horizontal scrub wall where the phone lay, 614 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:41.920 and screenshots of ABC coverage. One Reddit user summarized that 615 00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:45.719 the phone had been located roughly, like I said, sixty 616 00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:48.800 meters from her last known position, about five hundred meters 617 00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:52.639 from the waterfall and trail. The weather, unfortunately would take 618 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:57.119 another turn during this search, so there was heavy rain, hail, 619 00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:01.360 possible snow both days, which forced the group and police 620 00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:05.880 to pause operations for several days while forensic work on 621 00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:09.840 the phone and items begin. It is now January twenty 622 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:13.119 twenty six, so only a few months ago. As summer 623 00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:18.159 progressed and river level's fluctuated, volunteers continued to scour new ground, 624 00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:22.679 informed by phone day to reconstruction. One of them, a 625 00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:27.119 Bernie local, Jared Boys, had become deeply involved after watching 626 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:30.760 Parsons videos in following the case online. Motivated by a 627 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.199 desire to finally bring answers to Selene's family, he planned 628 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:38.239 his own solo search along the Arthur River, downstream from 629 00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:42.559 the waterfall. On Wednesday, January twenty eighth of twenty twenty six, 630 00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:47.559 while traversing tough country several several kilometers northeast of the 631 00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:51.440 main falls area, Boys came across two bones he thought 632

00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:55.400 could be human. He noted their location about three kilometers 633 00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:59.400 northeast of a water race alignment where Selene was believed 634 00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:04.400 to have walked, and immediately contacted police. Inspector Andrew Hansen 635 00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:07.920 later told media that a pathologist had reviewed images of 636 00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:11.000 the bones and confirmed they were human. He stressed that 637 00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:13.719 though at these early stages there was nothing else at 638 00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:17.280 the site, no clothing, no personal items to directly indicate identity, 639 00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:21.400 but acknowledged that the proximity to where Selene went missing 640 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.800 made it as strong possibility the remains were hers. As 641 00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:26.880 he put it at the press conference, police had to 642 00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:31.559 treat the remains as a separate investigation until formal identification 643 00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:35.239 could be made, but there really was no doubt that 644 00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:38.239 the proximity of those bones is close enough to the 645 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:41.760 area where she went missing that it was very strongly 646 00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:46.159 considered to be hers. News of this discovery spread quickly 647 00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:52.880 via ABC and social media, and all across the Reddit sphere. 648 00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:59.000 People were talking about retisphere. Okay, it's now late January. 649 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.360 Early February twenty twenty six. With discovery of the bones 650 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:06.159 near Arthur River, police launched a fresh, tightly focused operation. 651 00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.920 On the twenty ninth and thirtieth, they winched a team 652 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:14.280 of six specialist search and rescue officers into an isolated 653 00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:18.079 section of the Arthur River Corridor downstream from the initial 654 00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:22.559 fine site. The team conducted a line search along a 655 00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:25.159 three hund and fifty to five hundred meters stretch of river, 656 00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:29.800 moving upstream and downstream, checking banks, snags, and the riverbed 657 00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:34.679 itself for further remains and items. During this search, police 658 00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:38.920 located additional bones and pieces of clothing, including a polar 659 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:43.199 fleece jacket believed to be Selenes. Commander Nathan Johnson noted 660 00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:45.559 that many of these items were found under debris or 661 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:46.800 lodged in the riverbed. 662 00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:51.159 Wow, so they were like thorough, Yeah, that's so difficult. 663 00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:54.559 Yeah. Once they had like you find a couple bones, 664 00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:58.079 like you and you like, ye pick up every rock 665 00:40:58.239 --> 00:40:59.639 and sure. 666 00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:03.519 Still like the odds, Yeah, like finding bone in a 667 00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:06.159 river that's like got rocks and moving water. 668 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.920 And just yeah yeah, it said, you know it was 669 00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:12.519 found under debris and lodged in the riverbed. It underscored 670 00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:16.159 how easily the evidence was missed earlier in the searches, 671 00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:20.440 and at this time the train and weather remained punishing, 672 00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:22.880 so at one point the Star team had to camp 673 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:26.239 overnight in the bush because weather prevented the helicopter from 674 00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:31.159 extracting them. And after two days without further significant discoveries, 675 00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:36.960 police announced the search. We paused while forensic analysis of 676 00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:40.880 the newly recovered remains and clothing proceeded. It is now 677 00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:44.760 February tenth, twenty twenty six, so on Sunday and Mondays. 678 00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:48.760 Shortly after that pause, police resumed a very targeted search 679 00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:53.519 of the same Arthur River section, again inserting personal personnel 680 00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:59.199 by helicopter as conditions permitted. This two day operation produced 681 00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:04.039 perhaps the most conclusive non DNA evidence. They found five 682 00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:08.119 more bones, two teeth, and a Honda KHARKI. 683 00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:11.559 So, five more bones, how's that non DNA? Can you 684 00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.039 not get DNA from a bone? From a bone? 685 00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.199 I don't, I don't think so. After it's been let's 686 00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:18.679 see what mmmm. 687 00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:21.920 They were in the river? Yeah, yes, you can extract 688 00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:24.159 DNA from the bone found the river. Because the hard 689 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:27.280 mineralized structure of the bone shields genetic material. DNA could 690 00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:31.480 survive water submersion for months or even years, though the 691 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:35.599 river environment accelerates degradation. So I bet it probably was 692 00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:37.880 getting beaten and worn down on box and stuff that 693 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:39.599 they couldn't get any But I. 694 00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:41.880 Mean, so they found teeth. You might be able to 695 00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:45.320 match down a records with teeth. Yeah, and they found 696 00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:50.320 a Honda cry So pretty conclusive. 697 00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:52.719 But as to say, if you can determine their human bones. 698 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:56.000 Then you find

stuff that's very clearly hers. Yeah, that 699 00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:59.239 is seemingly more conclusive. Yeah. 700 00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:02.599 And Andrew Johnston told media that the car key had 701 00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:06.320 been formally verified as belonging to Sleen by using its 702 00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.000 unlocker white Hanta CRV. 703 00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:12.159 Very scientific. Yeah, I know right, yeah, Yeah, it's the 704 00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:13.719 one yeah. 705 00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:16.320 Which remained in police custody. He described the search along 706 00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.280 the three hundred and fifty meter river section as comprehensive 707 00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:24.119 and systematic, with many items found buried or wedged under 708 00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:28.039 a debris you know. The media and social media really 709 00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:33.719 picked up on this, and Reddit threads summarized developments. People 710 00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:37.360 are noting other items of clothing found, including a bra, 711 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:42.599 thermal top, polar fleece jacket had been found alongside skeletal remains. 712 00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:48.199 Private investigator Ken Gamble publicly reflected with the phone remains 713 00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:50.599 and key now located, investigtors could make a fairly good 714 00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:52.599 determination of what had happened. 715 00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:55.880 I did just ask to like close the sloop. The 716 00:43:56.079 --> 00:44:00.400 odds of the key fob unlocking a similar car. Newer 717 00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:04.440 models practically zero, roughly one in several billion. Older models 718 00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:06.599 can be anywhere from one in a million to one 719 00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:10.199 in several thousands, so it's pretty definitive that that's Hers. 720 00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:13.159 I'm like, this is the longest shop I wanted to actually, 721 00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:14.960 I just never thought of that though, Yeah, what are 722 00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:16.599 the odds because of the rolling codes. 723 00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:19.960 So it's now late February. Over the following weeks, the 724 00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:23.960 recovered bones and teeth went through a multi step forensic process, 725 00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:30.719 examination by pathologists, anthropologists, tenel comparisons against records obtained from Belgium, 726 00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:37.320 and DNA analysis by Forensic Science Services of Tasmania. On 727 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:43.320 February twenty seventh, Tasmania Police announced that, with Selene's family's permission, 728 00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:46.400 they were able to say that the remains found near 729 00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:51.199 Philosopher Falls and along Arthur River had been provisionally identified 730 00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:55.760 at Hers. Commander Johnson explained that expert reports that provided 731 00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:59.239 compelling evidence that the remains belonged to Slean, though the 732 00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:03.039 former legal identification would still come via Corners report. He 733 00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:06.000 added that in the light of this, there would be 734 00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:09.719 no further planned searches of the Arthur Rivers. Adjusting investigators 735 00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:13.280 considered the recovery phase effectively complete, so. 736 00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:15.639 They did a really good job getting all the stuff. 737 00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:16.599 That's pretty gnarly. 738 00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:20.480 So if you can, and I can added out the 739 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:23.840 dead space in between this, but find our old episode 740 00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:26.159 and maybe play a few minutes of our theories. 741 00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:29.639 Okay, finally back in a time when you like, right here, 742 00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:32.519 my voice worked. Yes, let's see how close I am 743 00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:35.840 like to getting it? Show the screen. It's cool that 744 00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:38.599 they have the video on Spotify too, just so everyone knows. 745 00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:40.480 You can watch the video of us from Where is 746 00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:44.480 this from this Spotify web player episode eighty eight? This 747 00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:49.320 must be from Patreon? Nope, it is, Yes, subscriber is Oh, okay. 748 00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:51.199 There's things that don't make sense when you when you 749 00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:53.719 have a search like that. If you're not prepared and 750 00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:56.039 it's cold, you're not going to be going crazy off trail. 751 00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:58.960 And even if she did, that's where you have that dog. 752 00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:02.519 Let's say it said the best one was recorded again 753 00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:05.679 in miles twelve miles away of sensing a cadaver. Yeah, 754 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:08.199 this trail is less than a mile at one point 755 00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:10.519 six miles or whatever. Yeah, so if you have a 756 00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:13.760 dog on that trail, let's let's benefit the doubt. Okay, 757 00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.519 maybe it's half as good. Yeah, should be able to 758 00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:19.519 pick up a cent six miles away? Maybe maybe only 759 00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.199 two miles away. That's a pretty big radius around that 760 00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.719 trail that if you're not prepared at that's thick as 761 00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:28.719 all get out. Yeah, Like I would look at that 762 00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:32.320 and say, she is not there. Yeah, So if she's 763 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:34.960 not there in the car, is that means somebody removed 764 00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:37.599 her or she got in another car with somebody else, 765 00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:40.079 or something is going on. That doesn't

make sense. 766 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:42.119 Yeah, And there was no indication of her car like 767 00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:44.599 broke down and she tried to you know, hitchhike back. 768 00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:47.840 So yeah, very puzzling. 769 00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:52.079 That's why I'm leaning towards Obviously, not having the required 770 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:56.199 gear for those conditions is a big probability of why 771 00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:59.719 she's missing. But and the thickness of the location is 772 00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:02.039 why searchers may have not a founder. Like we said, 773 00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:05.800 she may have gotten hypothermia and then was making poor decisions. 774 00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:09.800 And one interesting theory too is because she's from the 775 00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:13.079 Northern Hemisphere and she's hiking in the Southern Hemisphere, she 776 00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:16.800 may have gotten if she's got hypothermia, now was getting confused. 777 00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:21.239 She may have gotten mixed up directionally because you're your 778 00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:23.280 directions are going to be different if you're hiking in 779 00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:24.400 the Southern hemisphere. 780 00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:30.039 Yeah, but you know, like, how so explain this? It 781 00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:30.840 doesn't make sense to me. 782 00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:35.320 So maybe this this is really because. 783 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:38.480 The seasons are opposite. But north is still north, South 784 00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:39.199 is still south. 785 00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:42.320 I guess I don't know. I was just trying to 786 00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:47.599 think of another theory and why maybe she directionally got confused. 787 00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:48.400 I mean the sun. 788 00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:54.199 Yeah that's all. I don't know. I'm just thinking out 789 00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:58.519 loud here. Yeah, no, no, that's fine, but I don't think. Well, no, 790 00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:01.159 I'm just gonna question. I think you we have. 791 00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:02.800 The audio from the computer plane. 792 00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:04.519 Yeah, that's why you could hear it in your ears? 793 00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:06.320 Could you not hear it? 794 00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:06.599 No? 795 00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:10.840 I could? Okay, Yeah, that's funny. You hit like the 796 00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:13.639 nail on the head. Like obviously they don't know exactly 797 00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:15.920 what happened, but you're but you said, oh, this arch 798 00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:18.840 just might not have found anything, and that's true. Well 799 00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:24.000 I was way off, Hollywood. 800 00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:27.239 Hey one of us has Hey, you get to go, Hollywood. 801 00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:32.000 This is the most likely scenario. Now, this is the 802 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.559 theory that police and the

private investigators believe happens lost 803 00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:39.599 off trail death by exposure and or drowning. 804 00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:46.599 So not like super shocking. So the you know, like 805 00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:50.000 I said, this is the working theory, so what happened 806 00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:53.800 was and this is what they believe happened. Through phone data, 807 00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:57.480 reconstructions and on the groundwork shows that Selene went beyond 808 00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:01.719 the end of the maintained philosopher false She followed an 809 00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:04.679 old water race and climbed onto a ridge above the 810 00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:07.920 falls instead of simply turning back on the form trail. 811 00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.639 Later analysis suggests she checked Google Maps, saw her car 812 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:15.760 directly south and either chose to inadvertently follow a shortcut 813 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:19.800 line rather than staying on the mark path. That line 814 00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:24.400 pushed her into dense horizontal scrub and steep untracked slopes, 815 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:29.119 which we showed is terrible place to be in late 816 00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:33.480 afternoon in the winter down there, and her phone data 817 00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:36.239 does show like a shelter attempt, So the last GPS 818 00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:40.679 points and the December twenty twenty five discoveries the phone 819 00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:44.239 the makeshift pacho from a garbage bag branded water bottle 820 00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:48.800 suggests she dropped or lost the phone while forcing herself 821 00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:53.000 through the scrub, then attempted to shelter at a natural 822 00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:56.199 wind break as the rain and cold set in. From 823 00:49:56.280 --> 00:50:00.719 that off track position, both the private and skaters and 824 00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:06.039 the police reconstruction argues she likely moved downslope drawn by 825 00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:10.039 the sound, and trained towards the water race and then 826 00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:15.440 the Arthur River seven mile Creeks system. Then the remains 827 00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:18.880 the clothing and carcaying were recovered along that three hundred 828 00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:22.239 and fifty meters stretch of the river, plus the way 829 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:24.880 the bones and fabric were lodged in the riverbed fit 830 00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.280 a scenario where she either succumbed to hypothermia near the 831 00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:32.800 water and was later scattered by flow, or she fell 832 00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:36.960 or was swept into the river and drowned while trying 833 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:40.960 to cross it at the time. So the reason why 834 00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:43.519 they think this is the top theory is that it 835 00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:47.199 matches her known route, the GPS trail, the location of 836 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:51.360 her phone, improvised gear, and the eventual location of her remains. 837 00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:55.400 It's consistent with expert medical advice from the time that 838 00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:57.719 they were warning that there's no way she's going to 839 00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:02.159 survive this with the gear she had, and again police 840 00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:05.119 and the private investigators explicitly said there was no evidence 841 00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:08.679 of foul play and that misadventure really was the cause 842 00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:14.000 of her death. Some side theories this is a variant 843 00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:18.000 just an injury hypothermia near the river. I mean, we 844 00:51:18.039 --> 00:51:21.400 don't need to really go into that much. That's kind 845 00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:25.360 of the same theory. These are other minority theories. 846 00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:27.760 I was gonna say, I feel like they hit the 847 00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:29.239 nail right up. Oh yeah. 848 00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:32.119 So one of the minority theories is a fall near 849 00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:36.519 the waterfall. Some early reddit and forum comments floated the 850 00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:38.800 idea that she might have slipped well observing the falls 851 00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:40.719 fallen from the viewing areas. 852 00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:42.599 Is this before they recover this up? But they're saying 853 00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:44.960 that she slipped and the falls swept her down there. 854 00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:47.599 Yeah, that's what like early theories were saying that. So 855 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:51.880 they thought she maybe had fallen. So our teams repelled 856 00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:55.119 below the viewing platform and searched the waterfowl area intensely. 857 00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:58.639 In twenty twenty three, her phone and all her gear 858 00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:01.440 and remains were eventually found well beyond and downstream of 859 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:07.760 the falls. So not right under Northern hemisphere internal compass theory. 860 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.320 This is what I was trying to get at before. 861 00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:14.760 So a popular discussion thread idea was that being from 862 00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:18.480 the Northern Hemisphere, Sleen may have misjudged the Sun's path 863 00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:22.639 and internal compass leading her ahead the wrong way when 864 00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:26.320 she was trying to shortcut back to her car. And 865 00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:29.599 there is a small kernel of truth here in the 866 00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:32.519 sense that she likely tried to take a straight line 867 00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:36.800 shortcut south based on her phone map and got badly 868 00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:40.719 off route. But the Northern Hemisphere compass explanation is more 869 00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:44.559 of a

metaphor than a concrete cause. 870 00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:48.119 Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, but that's what I 871 00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:50.840 was trying to get at in the original theory. I'm 872 00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:54.280 sure I was just giving you a crap No, I mean, rightly. So, Yeah, 873 00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:55.679 just like Straddle. 874 00:52:55.320 --> 00:53:00.400 Months, people text me when they hear that they listen 875 00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:00.920 to the show. 876 00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:04.320 It's like it's hilarious, Cat's unknown bingo, Yeah, oh yeah, 877 00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:08.519 smart your card and then finally foul play. They've basically 878 00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:13.199 completely removed that other than kind of the fringe missing 879 00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:14.199 four on one crowd. 880 00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:16.519 Yeah, that was my guess. That was way off. 881 00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:20.719 Yeah, so what do you think I think? I mean, 882 00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:24.000 your theory at the time was a decent theory because 883 00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:25.960 there was no gear and her car was still there. 884 00:53:26.199 --> 00:53:28.840 Yeah, I mean it makes sense because we had no 885 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:32.320 data or information, and then as soon as you get 886 00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:36.519 access to all the information, you start seeing everything that's possible. Yeah, 887 00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:41.599 and it becomes pretty straightforward, I guess. So, yeah, I mean, 888 00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:43.920 I'm happy for the family. I'm I'm just trying to 889 00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:44.920 make myself feel better. 890 00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:48.519 Oh yeah, oh hey, one of these times, your Hollywood 891 00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:49.639 theory will be what happens? 892 00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:52.360 Yeah, No, it's it's good that they got closure. That's 893 00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:54.400 a great way to put it. Because the people that 894 00:53:54.440 --> 00:53:57.760 we've talked to, so we do have a lot of opinions, 895 00:53:57.800 --> 00:53:59.440 and we don't know what goes on every case, but 896 00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:03.039 we all so I have had the opportunity to meet 897 00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:05.360 the real family members of some of the cases we've 898 00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:08.559 done with, and all of them say the same thing. 899 00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:12.480 All of them say if they're of the group that 900 00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:17.039 have found the remains. Eventually, they're very, you know, somber 901 00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:20.320 happy that they can close the door, and everyone who 902 00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:23.920 doesn't just is hoping that something will turn up one day. Yeah, 903 00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:26.599 and they'll know they want the closure. So it is 904 00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:29.280 really great for her family that they can get that closure. 905 00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:32.559 Very sad obviously because it's going to reopen old wounds, 906 00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:34.800 but it's always a good thing when you can get 907 00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:38.840 the closure. And yeah, what happened. So there you go. 908 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:42.880 So I think they're right. I mean, yeah, the Devil's 909 00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:46.960 and the details and now they have the details. So yeah, 910 00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:49.360 thanks for tuning into our show. We appreciate all of 911 00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:51.480 you for listening and sharing locations and known with your 912 00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:53.760 friends and family. Be sure to like and follow us 913 00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:57.920 on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube, where you can watch 914 00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:01.000 videos of each episode. Also, if you'd like to support 915 00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:03.960 the show monetarily, please visit our website or Facebook store 916 00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:06.840 to buy some Sweet Sweet swag, and you can subscribe 917 00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:09.559 to your Patron account and YouTube as well as Apple 918 00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:12.239 to have access to special events, additional shows for paid 919 00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:14.679 customers only, and you can watch a video on Spotify 920 00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:17.719 if you're a Patron member. Yeah. Lastly, when enjoying the 921 00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:21.360 beauty of nature, whether backpacking, camping, or simply taking a walk, 922 00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:25.119 always remember to leave no trace. Thanks and we will 923 00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:26.599 see you all next time.