#4 Responsibility Part 2: Snake Steak의 전체 녹취록

become the same being, it's not really shared responsibility anymore, it's a single industry responsibility, but it's kind of what happens when, you know, people get very, very close. 00:03:02.489 --> 00:03:11.368 They become a unit, like for example, a family, uh, like if two people are married for 40 years, that their unit they're, they're separate people, but. 00:03:12.269 --> 00:03:19.079 A shared responsibility between them is essentially a single agency responsibility because they know her so well. 00:03:19.769 --> 00:03:22.528 Uh, same with yes teams. 00:03:22.528 --> 00:03:22.649 Yeah. 00:03:22.649 --> 00:03:23.759 What about team sports? 00:03:24.118 --> 00:03:26.319 That's actually interesting instinct 00:03:26.368 --> 00:03:26.699 thought. 00:03:26.699 --> 00:03:30.649 No, I think it's, I think it's very relevant. 00:03:31.219 --> 00:03:32.299 There's one caveat though. 00:03:32.778 --> 00:03:35.778 It matters how many people are in a team. 00:03:36.644 --> 00:03:39.164 And what I've, I've seen this study before. 00:03:39.164 --> 00:03:52.873 I really don't remember how it went, but it was, it went along the lines of you have one superstar, let's say in basketball, it's LeBron James, and he's so good. 00:03:53.264 --> 00:04:01.903 And they're so few people on the pitch that he can basically carry the game, but you have, Michael Jordan has done this numerous times. 00:04:02.084 --> 00:04:03.433 He's famous for being. 00:04:04.079 --> 00:04:07.590 Like angry and he, when he's angry, he wins the game. 00:04:07.769 --> 00:04:08.129 Right. 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:12.030 And he's one superstar is the team responsibility. 00:04:12.090 --> 00:04:16.019 It's shared responsibility, but at the end of the day, Paul's the boat, Michael. 00:04:16.168 --> 00:04:17.939 And he's going to win the game. 00:04:18.180 --> 00:04:18.569 Right. 00:04:19.620 --> 00:04:24.930 And then you have four bull or as the cause in the U S soccer. 00:04:26.310 --> 00:04:30.420 So you have this sport, which has 11 people. 00:04:30.658 --> 00:04:39.209 When you start on each team, And then you have a Macy or you have a Christiano Ronaldo or, or now the phenomenon you original. 00:04:39.209 --> 00:04:41.129 Now, I don't know if you're a football fan. 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:52.379 Anyways, one person can rarely carry the team there because there so many people on the pitch that it's hard for this person to make a difference. 00:04:52.738 --> 00:04:58.199 And he could be the superstar, but we know that MSCI has never won the world cup. 00:04:58.678 --> 00:05:02.699 Although he has been considered the best player in the world for many years. 00:05:03.779 --> 00:05:10.439 And it was very fascinating to me that basketball has five players and Michael Jordan can make you work. 00:05:10.949 --> 00:05:11.939 No offense to. 00:05:12.418 --> 00:05:15.209 Um, Scottie Pippen and all the other people. 00:05:15.358 --> 00:05:25.529 I'm a huge fan knowing maybe for liking Jordan, shout out

to Scottie Pippen, my man and all the others. 00:05:26.459 --> 00:05:26.759 Yeah. 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:27.869 I don't hate you guys. 00:05:28.228 --> 00:05:29.038 I really like you. 00:05:29.038 --> 00:05:32.699 But at the end of the day, everybody acknowledges that. 00:05:33.134 --> 00:05:38.923 One person to make the difference between average Google grades, right? 00:05:39.375 --> 00:05:47.863 And in football, one person can make difference between average and good, but maybe not great. 00:05:48.553 --> 00:05:52.814 You need more than one person going back to our topic. 00:05:53.954 --> 00:05:56.353 You have this shared responsibility in team games. 00:05:56.564 --> 00:06:01.379 If a team consists of two players, One of them could really make a difference. 00:06:01.408 --> 00:06:07.589 If it consists of five, two airs, this guy has to be pretty exceptional and then he could make a difference. 00:06:07.798 --> 00:06:11.788 But if you're talking about 11 players, it becomes too many. 00:06:12.209 --> 00:06:14.908 Like this one person can not really make a difference. 00:06:15.269 --> 00:06:17.098 That's what makes football such a great game. 00:06:17.548 --> 00:06:19.048 Shout out for the football fans. 00:06:19.379 --> 00:06:20.608 You need a good team. 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:23.908 You can't rely on one good player to make your game. 00:06:25.274 --> 00:06:32.654 And that's why basketball is such an American game because it's very super story. 00:06:33.298 --> 00:06:35.788 And this is very marketable. 00:06:35.819 --> 00:06:37.589 You can, you can really sell more. 00:06:37.589 --> 00:06:39.209 T-shirts more jerseys. 00:06:39.449 --> 00:06:39.928 You can. 00:06:40.149 --> 00:06:43.889 It's very capitalist to have one star in a team. 00:06:44.158 --> 00:06:49.139 They it's a very European, very football, football league to have a team. 00:06:49.499 --> 00:06:58.319 We have maybe, maybe the German team, you know, all from the German team in Navy sports, they are very good together, but there is no one superstar that. 00:06:58.625 --> 00:06:59.404 Everybody knows. 00:06:59.435 --> 00:07:03.154 Maybe nobody knows them and they win the world cup because they're are very good team. 00:07:03.875 --> 00:07:10.444 Maybe it's a bit cultural to share responsibility, being a superstar against being a part of the team. 00:07:11.305 --> 00:07:11.564 Yeah. 00:07:11.564 --> 00:07:23.004 And those team leaves, maybe what we like about them, maybe what makes them so interesting to watch that they're kind of an embodiment of the core set of shared responsibility and making it work now what's interesting is that. 00:07:24.598 --> 00:07:32.728 Uh, at least all the, I can think of now sports with more than just a couple of players have the concept of a captain. 00:07:32.788 --> 00:07:33.089 Right. 00:07:33.089 --> 00:07:37.408 So they don't just say, okay, you 11 guys are the team. 00:07:37.918 --> 00:07:40.408 Make sure responsibility work. 00:07:41.098 --> 00:07:49.259 Even those very well constructed tightly knit teams have the necessity for a captain, which is essentially. 00:07:50.593 --> 00:07:53.745 Yeah, your social responsibility, but you share it more. 00:07:54.254 --> 00:07:55.274 You're the captain. 00:07:55.904 --> 00:08:04.634 Um, so on your original question of how, what strategies could there be to, to make sure it was possible to work? 00:08:05.024 --> 00:08:14.053 Well, it seems that appointing a captain works and that's, um, On a more kind of abstract level. 00:08:14.053 --> 00:08:17.204 There's just the cost of the breaking symmetry. 00:08:17.473 --> 00:08:19.995 You have 11 equal players. 00:08:20.084 --> 00:08:22.875 Sheriff's possibility is very symmetrical. 00:08:23.384 --> 00:08:31.904 You pick one to be the captain and you're broken symmetry and you've created a different structure of topologically because now this guy is different. 00:08:31.904 --> 00:08:34.693 The center of the circle of, of level players. 00:08:35.443 --> 00:08:44.085 Uh, well, for example, in team tennis doubles, There there's no captain, it's just two guys or two girls or mixed doesn't matter. 00:08:44.085 --> 00:08:49.693 And there's no captain it's pure share responsibility there, which is pretty cool. 00:08:50.024 --> 00:08:54.075 At least I don't think actually, maybe there is maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there's a captain when there's only two 00:08:54.825 --> 00:08:55.634 players doubles. 00:08:56.554 --> 00:09:00.394 Imagine I fell in about and some. 00:09:01.095 --> 00:09:03.075 Other Spanish guy in the team. 00:09:03.134 --> 00:09:04.514 Who's going to be the careful. 00:09:04.984 --> 00:09:05.304 Yeah. 00:09:05.304 --> 00:09:05.434 Yeah. 00:09:05.774 --> 00:09:09.034 There's always like the part in that mix, but it's not that explicit. 00:09:11.115 --> 00:09:11.293 Her 00:09:11.293 --> 00:09:12.075 make a cocktail. 00:09:12.315 --> 00:09:15.224 No, I'm just, I'm just vacuuming my Boco. 00:09:15.443 --> 00:09:23.085 I have this tool, with which I suck the air out of the bottle and it doesn't spoil. 00:09:23.835 --> 00:09:30.033 Look at this champagne socialist, talking about share responsibility for the, for the earth. 00:09:30.033 --> 00:09:30.424 Wow. 00:09:30.994 --> 00:09:32.164 Of our communities per se. 00:09:35.309 --> 00:09:35.639 Yeah. 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:56.370 So, so it's, it's interesting what you're saying, because there's, this is Latin expression in Paris, which is first among equals and basically was as far as I remember, please guys, don't be too harsh on me in the Senate. 00:09:56.429 --> 00:09:57.269 I believe it was. 00:09:57.658 --> 00:10:00.658 Everybody's equal, but they're the first person to speak. 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:03.418 First piece of a person who can open the debate. 00:10:03.779 --> 00:10:12.839 He was the one who, who was the first one equals and in Bocconi university, all the teachers knew Latin. 00:10:12.929 --> 00:10:17.519 So they would

constantly like bombard us with these expressions. 00:10:17.589 --> 00:10:24.210 It was usually about countries, which you have, where you have a prime minister and it's a prime ministerial, Norman. 00:10:25.349 --> 00:10:27.370 And then the prime minister is the first among. 00:10:28.049 --> 00:10:33.599 So he is the fact the captain of the team, but they can get rid of the captain. 00:10:33.599 --> 00:10:33.899 Right. 00:10:34.289 --> 00:10:36.450 And they can appoint on our captain. 00:10:36.809 --> 00:10:37.379 Wow. 00:10:37.529 --> 00:10:51.419 As you can see in the us, uh, they tried to impeach Trump and then remove him from the, from being the president of the U S but it's a very, very hard procedure because he's not the first among equals he's the first. 00:10:52.049 --> 00:10:52.259 Yeah. 00:10:52.259 --> 00:10:56.849 So that's, that sounds interesting that you're bringing up because it's basically this concept. 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:11.220 You have, everything is equal, but there is 1% with first of all, equals it's funny that you're mentioning it in the context of sports when the Romans have thought of it 2000 years ago, uh, 00:11:12.589 --> 00:11:14.418 maybe they had it in their games as well. 00:11:14.450 --> 00:11:16.970 I watch a lot true team sports. 00:11:17.029 --> 00:11:18.139 There used to be at a time. 00:11:18.139 --> 00:11:18.549 I should. 00:11:19.139 --> 00:11:19.980 I've talked to Julie 00:11:19.990 --> 00:11:20.399 about it. 00:11:24.899 --> 00:11:25.349 Yeah. 00:11:25.589 --> 00:11:40.129 I don't know, actually, you know, for example, I don't know if this is a real thing or just some sort of movie plot thing, but imagine five random gladiators. 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:46.889 We don't know each other get placed in the arena and some lions and stuff get released upon us. 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:55.679 I don't have defender ourselves so immediately we're allies and have the shared responsibility survive and I'm okay. 00:11:55.679 --> 00:12:00.509 Suppose we know that there's more waves of creatures coming at us. 00:12:01.078 --> 00:12:04.740 I want the guys around me to survive so we can protect each other for the next one. 00:12:05.129 --> 00:12:07.109 So it's kind of immediate. 00:12:07.784 --> 00:12:15.345 Shared responsibility that that will probably work because it's in my best interest to make everybody else survive. 00:12:15.884 --> 00:12:17.144 And the threat is very immediate. 00:12:17.144 --> 00:12:19.184 That's kind of the issue with Ferris possibility. 00:12:19.394 --> 00:12:27.075 If the threat is not immediate, which it is in a war, for example, it's very hard to be real as possible. 00:12:27.075 --> 00:12:33.254 So with climate change and then saving the earth, et cetera, the threat is Nope. 00:12:34.543 --> 00:12:38.994 Um, it's a bit more abstract is not coming today or tomorrow. 00:12:39.043 --> 00:12:43.634 It's a more gradual change it's gonna affect us in a while. 00:12:44.174 --> 00:12:46.184 Uh, and

so people find it hard to really. 00:12:46.649 --> 00:12:57.418 Commit to, to being personally as possible as part of the shared responsibility while say on the bottle phone to some war now that I've participated. 00:12:57.418 --> 00:13:11.099 And I hope never to book, I could imagine that it's much easier to build this kind of natural comradery with the soldiers around you to share the responsibility of winning the war because you don't want to get shot. 00:13:11.099 --> 00:13:12.359 And the more people in your team. 00:13:13.169 --> 00:13:14.190 The trials are you going to win? 00:13:14.190 --> 00:13:18.089 So the third is just much more immediate, so it's easier to build those. 00:13:18.809 --> 00:13:20.940 Um, we're supposed to be the two links. 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:21.509 Let's see, 00:13:22.190 --> 00:13:25.370 Who am I to argue with thousands of years of war? 00:13:31.849 --> 00:13:32.269 Okay. 00:13:32.568 --> 00:13:41.750 So, I really want to bring up this topic that we've discussed many times with you, but. 00:13:42.509 --> 00:13:44.068 Let's let's vocalize it. 00:13:44.068 --> 00:13:47.250 Let's verbalize, let's say it out to the world. 00:13:47.669 --> 00:13:52.440 How do you determine who should bear the responsibility for things and who 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:52.710 shouldn't? 00:13:53.190 --> 00:13:54.679 I was just waiting for this to happen. 00:13:54.679 --> 00:14:01.879 Like, since you brought the topic up, I knew you were coming to this point and I was waiting to see exactly how you're going to, you know, 00:14:02.089 --> 00:14:02.779 approach it. 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:03.859 Yeah. 00:14:03.859 --> 00:14:08.328 So I have many, many, I have many openings just for listeners. 00:14:08.899 --> 00:14:11.269 This idea that east Korea introduced me to. 00:14:11.940 --> 00:14:18.090 We developed it, um, a bit further and I'm really not sure. 00:14:18.690 --> 00:14:21.779 What is your current understanding of it? 00:14:22.529 --> 00:14:22.889 I think I've 00:14:22.970 --> 00:14:24.360 Unchanged, I think. 00:14:24.659 --> 00:14:24.909 What? 00:14:24.929 --> 00:14:25.649 Unchanged. 00:14:26.700 --> 00:14:27.149 Okay. 00:14:27.179 --> 00:14:30.149 So please, please, go forward. 00:14:30.210 --> 00:14:34.860 The question was, how do you determine who bears the responsibility for what? 00:14:35.460 --> 00:14:42.059 And is there a framework that you can use to always determine the person who should be responsible for something 00:14:43.129 --> 00:14:43.539 In a... 00:14:43.539 --> 00:14:44.599 In a group situation. 00:14:44.928 --> 00:14:45.200 Yep. 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:46.158 Okay. 00:14:46.158 --> 00:14:54.438 So the setup is that there's a group of people and a bunch of tasks to be performed or not performed. 00:14:54.470 --> 00:14:57.029 Maybe they can be skipped, but there's some cost, if you skip it. 00:14:57.049 --> 00:15:01.969 Like for example, we're going on a trip and if nobody brings water, you're going to be thirsty. 00:15:01.969 --> 00:15:03.559 Maybe you're not going to die, but it's unpleasant. 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:03.799 Right? 00:15:04.289 --> 00:15:05.120 The question is. 00:15:06.254 --> 00:15:11.384 Who is responsible to remember to bring the water who's responsible to actually bring the water. 00:15:11.894 --> 00:15:15.164 Who's responsible to remember, to make sandwiches. 00:15:15.524 --> 00:15:22.345 Who's responsible to have thought to bring bread from the city, up to the mountains to then make sandwiches, etc. 00:15:23.205 --> 00:15:42.254 And so what we discussed before is that whenever we've thought about it, it seems that a pretty robust solution that just seems to get the job done is that whoever's going to suffer the most bears the responsibility to make it happen. 00:15:43.125 --> 00:15:59.085 Suppose that, we're going hiking in the mountain again, and one of us is allergic to snakes and there's some low, but non-negligible chance that there are snakes and you get bitten 00:15:59.554 --> 00:16:10.754 'Allergic to snakes' Everybody! Everybody's allergic to them... 00:16:10.754 --> 00:16:12.345 to poisonous snakes. 00:16:12.865 --> 00:16:13.174 Some are... 00:16:13.174 --> 00:16:13.325 like.. 00:16:13.325 --> 00:16:13.674 deadly... 00:16:14.014 --> 00:16:14.345 You know, 00:16:14.345 --> 00:16:16.894 like some people have a much worse reaction. 00:16:16.894 --> 00:16:17.134 Okay. 00:16:17.134 --> 00:16:21.634 Maybe a bad example, but the other ones are triggered or much of this one person who. 00:16:25.049 --> 00:16:25.320 Okay. 00:16:25.980 --> 00:16:31.320 Let's say, let's say somebody is allergic to pollination. 00:16:31.379 --> 00:16:36.419 You know, these programs are flying around and they're going to sneeze and cry. 00:16:36.990 --> 00:16:37.259 Yeah. 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:37.950 Let's see. 00:16:37.950 --> 00:16:38.340 This one. 00:16:38.340 --> 00:16:44.519 This is very relatable and definitely a thing of like allergic to sticks. 00:16:47.580 --> 00:17:08.549 But snakes, snakes, tubes of me that, that kind of like move they're amazing calls for the Polish example. 00:17:08.549 --> 00:17:14.039 It's actually a pretty good one because in the whole group of friends, maybe everybody's. 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:19.500 Slightly allergic, you know, get a bit of a sneeze, a bit of puffy eyes, but it's all terrible. 00:17:20.430 --> 00:17:30.869 And then one of those people is much more allergic and gets like a persistent cough and just some dry coffin streaming eyes with tears. 00:17:30.869 --> 00:17:31.859 They just very unpleasant. 00:17:32.579 --> 00:17:39.599 So to say that it's this person's responsibility to bring the, the anti allergy pills and prepare. 00:17:40.230 --> 00:17:43.799 And if everybody goes up and there's no such. 00:17:44.444 --> 00:17:49.605 Auntie allergic pills and then their argument, the curse. 00:17:49.664 --> 00:17:56.984 Oh, who was supposed to bring them, if nobody thought about it, then, well, everybody has

failed for themselves. 00:17:58.305 --> 00:18:11.444 And then the person who is filled the most for himself is that person who has the allergy, same with, for example, if in the same trip, you know, we hire a nice house somewhere in the mountains. 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:18.059 I'm thinking in particular, this trip, I did house in the Scottish Highlands for a week. 00:18:18.660 --> 00:18:19.349 Pretty cool. 00:18:19.378 --> 00:18:20.128 We do hikes. 00:18:20.128 --> 00:18:28.740 We also just stay in the house and chill, and there was this person who really wanted to play multiplayer PlayStation games. 00:18:29.775 --> 00:18:36.704 So since there is a possibility to bring the PlayStation because they will suffer the most, if it were there and they did. 00:18:37.095 --> 00:18:40.875 So if I don't particularly care about the outcome is not really my responsibility. 00:18:41.684 --> 00:18:58.605 Now, that being said, there's the asterisk that, uh, if somebody cares the most about something, Is there a responsibility to make sure it happens not to actually get it done because there might be a higher cost to do it. 00:18:58.694 --> 00:19:04.994 So for example, if I'm in a war we're going to, so yeah. 00:19:05.253 --> 00:19:06.365 Can you help me out with this? 00:19:06.513 --> 00:19:08.944 Like he's got a one split PlayStation. 00:19:09.065 --> 00:19:10.784 He does scale PlayStation, right? 00:19:11.075 --> 00:19:13.144 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 00:19:13.174 --> 00:19:19.085 And so it's, it would be their responsibility to make sure that there's a PlayStation now. 00:19:19.890 --> 00:19:30.930 If they don't have a PlayStation, they can either buy one, get off of a friend or something or ask another person who's coming to the same, um, week away. 00:19:31.170 --> 00:19:32.069 Can you please bring it? 00:19:32.579 --> 00:19:40.920 And once they've made this request, it's that other person's responsibility to either communicate that they don't want to or get it done. 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:46.440 So, yeah, in, in, in short, the framework is that. 00:19:47.263 --> 00:19:55.664 In a group where there's tasks to be, to be done is the responsibility of the person who would suffer most. 00:19:55.784 --> 00:20:02.714 If the task is not done to make sure it happens not necessarily to actually do it, just make sure it happens in one way or another. 00:20:03.325 --> 00:20:05.345 I really liked this concept. 00:20:05.734 --> 00:20:08.253 We've communicated this to many people. 00:20:08.884 --> 00:20:11.194 We've had some good arguments about it. 00:20:11.825 --> 00:20:15.904 Some people agree, some people disagree generally. 00:20:16.605 --> 00:20:22.964 Since this frameworks so general, we can always boil down to this framework. 00:20:23.085 --> 00:20:23.744 In my opinion. 00:20:24.644 --> 00:20:27.134 Now we are exceptional though. 00:20:27.315 --> 00:20:28.845 They're these edge cases. 00:20:29.894 --> 00:20:38.025 What you've mentioned before is somebody can decide to do something nice for our guy. 00:20:38.265 --> 00:20:43.005 For instance, I know that you really like PlayStations. 00:20:43.634 --> 00:20:50.625 I know that you don't, but let's say this, this person who was waiting and I know I'm coming and I really want to make this person happy. 00:20:50.984 --> 00:21:00.134 So if it doesn't bother me, I can bring my PlayStation and be like, Hey man, I brought this PlayStation so we can play together and you can be extra happy about this trip. 00:21:00.795 --> 00:21:02.954 This is this gesture of Goodwill. 00:21:03.404 --> 00:21:05.835 I didn't have any responsibility about it. 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:09.180 Nobody would blame me for all bringing the PlayStation. 00:21:09.420 --> 00:21:12.779 Nobody would even think about me bringing the PlayStation, right? 00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:20.579 Like I'm not the guy who should bring the PlayStation, but I can decide the just good person and do it. 00:21:21.299 --> 00:21:24.599 But then these edge cases will acknowledge this. 00:21:24.660 --> 00:21:28.619 We know that our initial framework, the one that is kind of described. 00:21:29.190 --> 00:21:42.930 There's no thinking about these because it's not about feeling extra good, but actually preventing some costs, preventing some pain in the case of allergies, in the case of, I really want to play the PlayStation two PlayStation. 00:21:43.769 --> 00:21:44.279 And yeah. 00:21:44.970 --> 00:21:50.878 Now in this context of responsibility, what I wants to ask you is. 00:21:52.019 --> 00:21:54.809 We should re assign responsibilities, right? 00:21:55.079 --> 00:22:01.289 The guy who wants to play the PlayStation, he's responsible for the, for making, making this happen. 00:22:02.369 --> 00:22:12.240 But, and then you have these other cases, which I pointed out that I want to make him happy and I'm bringing the PlayStation, but I'm not responsible for this. 00:22:12.329 --> 00:22:13.589 It's not a responsibility. 00:22:14.130 --> 00:22:16.470 So it's not related to responsibilities. 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:20.430 Uh, to accountability is raised it to. 00:22:21.089 --> 00:22:23.160 Something else, like making people happy. 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:23.759 Right. 00:22:24.900 --> 00:22:29.759 And my question to you is can you think of a time, second interview? 00:22:30.180 --> 00:22:40.019 Can you think of a time when you have taken responsibility for something or someone outside of this context? 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:48.059 So you do not want to make this person feel better, but there was this very big problem. 00:22:48.795 --> 00:22:50.144 That was going to arise. 00:22:50.503 --> 00:23:03.003 And you felt the need to take responsibility for, I don't know, this guy was about to get these snake allergies that you're talking about and you took the snake anti-state yeah. 00:23:03.003 --> 00:23:05.765 There's, there's definitely feels like a, like a job interview. 00:23:06.335 --> 00:23:08.424 You know, what was the time that

you did? 00:23:08.424 --> 00:23:09.964 You took responsibility. 00:23:10.704 --> 00:23:10.855 Okay. 00:23:10.865 --> 00:23:18.085 Can you think of any time that you wanted to prevent this negative outcome in, in a way? 00:23:18.494 --> 00:23:19.154 Um, I don't know. 00:23:19.154 --> 00:23:19.964 Off the top of my head. 00:23:19.964 --> 00:23:24.615 I can't really remember, you know, maybe I haven't done those nice gestures. 00:23:24.974 --> 00:23:25.694 I don't, yeah. 00:23:25.724 --> 00:23:26.174 I don't know. 00:23:26.295 --> 00:23:27.255 I can't remember. 00:23:28.994 --> 00:23:35.025 I'm hearing a lot of these in my life because I'm trying to over-prepare for stuff. 00:23:35.714 --> 00:23:37.994 And if I know that someone. 00:23:38.625 --> 00:23:42.585 MI may forget about this thing, which is very important for them. 00:23:43.575 --> 00:23:58.125 I think that these are much more common in a family or at work you have some work to do and you know, somebody else should have done something right. 00:23:58.694 --> 00:24:00.704 And they're responsible for it. 00:24:00.734 --> 00:24:01.964 They're accountable for it. 00:24:02.503 --> 00:24:03.644 It hurts everybody. 00:24:03.734 --> 00:24:06.974 It's a part of the shared responsibility or something that is. 00:24:07.529 --> 00:24:11.970 And even though it's their responsibility, you have some stake in it. 00:24:12.269 --> 00:24:12.720 Let's see. 00:24:13.410 --> 00:24:18.240 So it's possible that you check the digital goods. 00:24:18.900 --> 00:24:22.829 They'll do it for them instead of them in this way. 00:24:23.009 --> 00:24:31.859 You're basically taking the responsibility, although it's not your responsibility to cover for your teammate or to help them out. 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:33.630 I'm sure you've done something like this. 00:24:35.309 --> 00:24:41.059 All the situations I can think of are family related or work with our country. 00:24:41.099 --> 00:24:49.109 Think of any other context, maybe I understand that dynamic so well that I can make this decision. 00:24:50.180 --> 00:24:50.569 Yeah. 00:24:50.660 --> 00:24:50.990 I dunno. 00:24:50.990 --> 00:24:52.759 Especially to prevent like a disaster. 00:24:52.759 --> 00:25:01.369 Cause with friends, for example, you do those nice gestures where you, you bring something as a surprise for the artist to enjoy. 00:25:02.055 --> 00:25:04.244 But it's not to prevent the disaster. 00:25:10.724 --> 00:25:19.994 It is the title of this podcast episode, snake catalog space, snake snakes, put in space. 00:25:22.305 --> 00:25:25.125 It's a, it's a, it's a tough question for particular things. 00:25:25.275 --> 00:25:25.664 I don't know. 00:25:25.785 --> 00:25:34.875 I, all I could think about is like, if I, if I get some, some, some sweets, some candy, uh, and I just get extra for everybody. 00:25:35.835 --> 00:25:36.615 And everybody's happy. 00:25:36.615 --> 00:25:41.505 Cause it's Cod, which of us doesn't avert a disaster. 00:25:41.884 --> 00:25:48.605 The other disaster is that everybody's hungry and there's nothing good to it because nobody remembered. 00:25:48.634 --> 00:25:48.994 Make sense. 00:25:49.775 --> 00:25:49.954 Yeah. 00:25:49.954 --> 00:25:51.634 We're going to eat snake out too, though. 00:25:52.444 --> 00:25:53.525 Everybody was thinking 00:25:53.525 --> 00:25:55.234 about breaking stake. 00:25:57.845 --> 00:25:58.055 Yeah. 00:25:58.055 --> 00:25:59.075 It's against next. 00:25:59.075 --> 00:26:02.194 When you eat states, you have to build afterwards. 00:26:07.785 --> 00:26:12.634 I don't know, man, in fact, yesterday tried eel for the first time motion sushi. 00:26:12.634 --> 00:26:12.934 Okay. 00:26:12.964 --> 00:26:16.505 But I just, the whole yield, it's kind of a snake man. 00:26:17.255 --> 00:26:18.694 Trying to use sushi. 00:26:19.684 --> 00:26:21.454 This is extremely bougie. 00:26:21.474 --> 00:26:22.265 First of all. 00:26:22.565 --> 00:26:27.184 No, it costs, it costs like one, one piece of use. 00:26:27.184 --> 00:26:31.234 So she goes like, I have no idea, which was extremely expensive everywhere. 00:26:31.234 --> 00:26:31.595 I went. 00:26:32.904 --> 00:26:34.605 I must say he's the best. 00:26:35.714 --> 00:26:37.214 I think I quite agree. 00:26:38.444 --> 00:26:38.714 Yeah. 00:26:38.744 --> 00:26:43.214 And this was, imagine like a full color stick. 00:26:43.784 --> 00:26:46.273 Sorry, a steak, but how can you describe this? 00:26:47.085 --> 00:26:56.684 A full snake and I'm actually not as good as the sushi is too much. 00:26:57.674 --> 00:27:02.505 Somebody had to say it just too much, or man, I feel 00:27:02.505 --> 00:27:02.894 for you. 00:27:11.224 --> 00:27:15.904 Okay, man, I have one last question for you that prepared. 00:27:16.115 --> 00:27:18.335 So I figured eight questions. 00:27:18.964 --> 00:27:25.174 We'll be speaking for the soul, but the last question is, are you at times. 00:27:25.634 --> 00:27:34.214 When you can, you, you have to take responsibility for something it's not your responsibility, but you feel like you have to take responsibility. 00:27:34.625 --> 00:27:38.884 We usually it's in those teams situations when you know, something has to be done. 00:27:39.035 --> 00:27:42.305 If it doesn't get done, everybody will suffer a lot. 00:27:42.545 --> 00:27:46.204 But I can see that either everybody's shying away from it. 00:27:46.755 --> 00:27:58.095 Or there's actually the quite interesting case when somebody is even willing to do it, but I know for some reason they, they're not appropriate for the job or they wouldn't do a very good job of it. 00:27:58.545 --> 00:28:02.924 There are, I don't understand their world, the problem, or they'll never express this particular thing. 00:28:03.345 --> 00:28:05.894 And for some reason I believe I'm better suited. 00:28:06.434 --> 00:28:11.295 And then even if I don't really feel like doing it, I'm like, okay, I'll just do it because I have to. 00:28:11.384 --> 00:28:11.714 And.

00:28:12.795 --> 00:28:14.144 Everybody will suffer otherwise. 00:28:14.444 --> 00:28:20.865 Or I don't know if it's going to take me an hour, it's going to take them eight hours because I happened to have done the same thing before. 00:28:21.045 --> 00:28:21.494 I don't know. 00:28:22.035 --> 00:28:36.315 And even if I really don't want to do it, I would still not where he said that a person's full day for something I can do in an hour, but I think that's kind of more work-related or, you know, group projects in university at our school. 00:28:36.974 --> 00:28:39.914 You just kind of think we're supposed to be towards the thing because. 00:28:42.484 --> 00:28:44.055 You haven't defined anything. 00:28:44.384 --> 00:28:46.785 It was a bit too vague for me. 00:28:46.994 --> 00:28:50.025 I could imagine how many different situations. 00:28:50.535 --> 00:28:58.904 So would you say it's like you don't trust the other person, so you have to take responsibility for it for you, or you want to say. 00:28:59.325 --> 00:29:01.184 I have more knowledge than the other person. 00:29:01.365 --> 00:29:03.255 So I have to take responsibility for it. 00:29:03.615 --> 00:29:12.674 Or you're like, I will not relieve this other person from the burden of it because I know this person is going to struggle with it because of X, Y, and Z. 00:29:13.144 --> 00:29:13.414 Well, it 00:29:13.414 --> 00:29:14.464 could be all of them, right. 00:29:14.464 --> 00:29:16.684 Because it kind of depends on the attitude. 00:29:16.714 --> 00:29:17.075 Basically. 00:29:17.075 --> 00:29:22.204 If, if the other person it's another two by two table, it's. 00:29:22.664 --> 00:29:29.954 Yes or no for whether they are a person can get it done well enough and yes or no for the other person thinks they can get it well enough. 00:29:30.765 --> 00:29:35.474 So if they can't get it done and they think so it's perfect that they'll just do it. 00:29:36.299 --> 00:29:38.789 If they can't do it and they don't think they'll do it. 00:29:38.970 --> 00:29:39.299 Okay. 00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:43.589 Somebody else, perhaps me we'll do it, but the two other elements are more interesting. 00:29:43.589 --> 00:29:45.150 What are they think they can get it done? 00:29:45.509 --> 00:29:54.210 But I know they come for some reason, then you kind of have to step in and either just be like, don't worry, I'll take care and not feel experience, 00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:59.779 but do you, because you're preventing learning in this way. 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:04.039 Like they have to face the problem, experienced the issue, and then you tell them. 00:30:04.575 --> 00:30:08.535 Like the holy grail of this problem is, uh, read on the internet, 00:30:09.424 --> 00:30:18.184 lack of any other issue that, that sounds kind of like, um, um, baiting for savior syndrome savior syndrome. 00:30:19.565 --> 00:30:21.605 But, uh, yeah, I don't think I will do that. 00:30:21.605 --> 00:30:27.535 Like I would maybe tell them why I prefer

to do it because I've done this before, know how blah, blah. 00:30:28.144 --> 00:30:29.795 Uh, but I don't think it really. 00:30:30.944 --> 00:30:32.384 Let them burn themselves. 00:30:32.384 --> 00:30:43.365 But again, I'm thinking about those kind of work-related scenarios where it would hurt everybody if it happened, if it would hurt them, how they learn, perhaps it doesn't hurt too much. 00:30:43.424 --> 00:30:46.005 If it's going to hurt everybody, it'd be hard to fix. 00:30:46.065 --> 00:30:47.625 Now, let them 00:30:47.625 --> 00:30:49.035 learn on their own time. 00:30:49.805 --> 00:30:57.005 It's interesting because this gets into the realm of managers versus teammates versus something else. 00:30:57.779 --> 00:31:07.690 And I can remember many, many different situations in which I tasked someone to do something I know very well that I'm going to do it. 00:31:07.710 --> 00:31:09.299 And let's say an hour. 00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:18.000 I know that they will never be able to because X, Y, and Z, but I still want them to try. 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:19.470 I want them to struggle with it. 00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:24.420 I want them to get creative with it and eventually. 00:31:24.855 --> 00:31:28.424 They may surprise me and they'd be like, yeah, I'm there like 10 minutes. 00:31:28.694 --> 00:31:29.984 And I'm like, oh, wow. 00:31:30.285 --> 00:31:33.404 Like, like my understanding of this has just shuttered. 00:31:33.855 --> 00:31:41.325 And I thought that I know what I'm doing, but obviously not more often than not, it would be reversed. 00:31:41.535 --> 00:31:45.345 It would be them struggling with it for some time. 00:31:45.434 --> 00:31:52.994 And I'm waiting for it for them to reach out to me or I reach out to them and I'm like, how is this thing going? 00:31:53.549 --> 00:32:00.990 What I'm looking for in this situation is I want them to identify what is the, the thing that they're missing. 00:32:01.019 --> 00:32:01.410 Right. 00:32:01.710 --> 00:32:04.589 I want them to realize what is the core of the problem? 00:32:04.619 --> 00:32:06.299 Why can't they solve this issue? 00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:12.539 And to me, if they realize why they can solve this issue, they've solved. 00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:13.109 Right? 00:32:13.589 --> 00:32:15.720 They tell me, I know the answer. 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:16.710 Maybe some. 00:32:17.654 --> 00:32:23.025 Interdisciplinary thing they are missing, maybe some vital information about the business they're missing. 00:32:23.055 --> 00:32:25.755 Maybe it's some classified data they're missing. 00:32:26.085 --> 00:32:26.535 Right. 00:32:26.805 --> 00:32:30.434 If they can identify this to me, they've done all the learning. 00:32:30.795 --> 00:32:37.065 They've gotten everything out of the process and I can give them the thing also Republic. 00:32:37.095 --> 00:32:37.424 Right. 00:32:37.724 --> 00:32:41.115 And be like, well, you're saying what you're seeing is the savior. 00:32:41.805 --> 00:32:44.654 But being a manager, you're not the savior. 00:32:45.075 --> 00:32:49.515 You're basically helping me to learn and become better professionals. 00:32:49.575 --> 00:32:52.035 So I disagree with the savior thing. 00:32:52.714 --> 00:32:52.884 It's 00:32:52.904 --> 00:32:53.644 interesting production. 00:32:53.644 --> 00:32:53.795 Yeah. 00:32:53.795 --> 00:32:56.464 I didn't really think about it this way that, yeah, sure. 00:32:56.464 --> 00:32:57.244 I mean that that's good. 00:32:57.244 --> 00:33:09.875 Like giving learning opportunities and that's kind of the viable, um, you know, university, when you do those projects as a undergrad project to them even. 00:33:10.454 --> 00:33:14.174 As a PhD to some extent, or then it gets a bit more professional. 00:33:15.013 --> 00:33:15.224 Yeah. 00:33:15.224 --> 00:33:19.335 As I was saying, like, I actually thought about it the way you just described it. 00:33:19.335 --> 00:33:22.934 When I was doing those projects with university professors. 00:33:23.355 --> 00:33:41.594 All those research projects, but as an undergraduate and their sole point is to just learn, like the professor knows that me as an undergraduate can't really produce something revolutionary, but I can learn and they give me those tasks. 00:33:42.284 --> 00:33:47.054 They even communicate with me, they direct me, but it's entirely about the learning. 00:33:47.565 --> 00:33:49.964 So yeah, the learning expert really, really changes it. 00:33:50.054 --> 00:33:56.595 But if it's just about getting the results done and we take learning out of the equation, I think to go back to my original original point. 00:33:56.714 --> 00:34:03.375 And if we think that learning is always a part of everything we do, which it is then yeah. 00:34:03.795 --> 00:34:05.775 Um, tasty, which means. 00:34:07.409 --> 00:34:08.909 And then there's the opposite then actually. 00:34:09.329 --> 00:34:19.739 So we're talking about somebody who thinks they can get it done, but they can actually, whether there's the reverse of somebody who, who can do it, but they don't believe in themselves enough. 00:34:19.860 --> 00:34:26.730 And then it's the best thing ever to, you know, allow them to push them a bit, maybe to get it done. 00:34:27.300 --> 00:34:31.019 And when they find it a new selves to get it done there. 00:34:31.409 --> 00:34:36.628 Probably won't be very happy that they realized that it was all inside of you all along. 00:34:37.170 --> 00:34:38.579 And you knew how to do it. 00:34:38.579 --> 00:34:42.150 You were just a bit shy or didn't believe in yourself enough, 00:34:42.769 --> 00:34:52.548 you having been through whatever you've been through in your life or your workplace stuff and all your university staff research related stuff. 00:34:53.059 --> 00:35:00.889 When you see a new problem, do you think to yourself, oh, I'm not able to do this, or this is rarely the case. 00:35:01.275 --> 00:35:01.755 Um, 00:35:03.255 --> 00:35:04.815 this just sounds like her

book. 00:35:04.875 --> 00:35:08.204 Uh, yeah, not really, uh, like, okay. 00:35:08.204 --> 00:35:18.014 For example, it, it's very clearly colored for me in the sense that if it's anything that has to do with, um, how do I say this? 00:35:18.375 --> 00:35:22.905 There those fields in which, in your achievement is too much for me. 00:35:22.905 --> 00:35:28.934 You know, if it's anything to do with singing, painting, anything that's any task. 00:35:29.445 --> 00:35:31.094 And I immediately say no to a tree. 00:35:31.275 --> 00:35:32.144 It doesn't matter what it is. 00:35:32.175 --> 00:35:36.525 No matter how small I can't do it, I could try, but I know what to fail. 00:35:36.974 --> 00:35:38.594 But then if it's anything to do with. 00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:40.769 Software or, or 00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:42.960 take programming, 00:35:43.849 --> 00:35:47.360 even if it's something that they have no idea how to even approach. 00:35:47.389 --> 00:35:48.860 So they've never seen before. 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:56.449 I kind of approach it from, okay, it's obviously sober given enough time. 00:35:57.829 --> 00:36:01.429 Do I want to dedicate that much time to it and solvable? 00:36:01.429 --> 00:36:05.389 I mean that at least I'll figure out, you know, whether it's possible at all. 00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:06.800 And if it's possible, how to get it done. 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:08.909 There's no unsolvable problems. 00:36:08.909 --> 00:36:09.119 Right? 00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:16.588 So yeah, for me, it's either I don't even begin going in their direction or it's definitely doable. 00:36:16.588 --> 00:36:18.389 It's going to cost me that amount of time. 00:36:18.949 --> 00:36:19.789 It's interesting. 00:36:19.818 --> 00:36:25.219 Um, what I will answer to this is that thanks for asking. 00:36:26.659 --> 00:36:32.989 Well, the answer to this is that I would never say something is global. 00:36:34.664 --> 00:36:38.324 I think it's related to confidence in things that you have achieved. 00:36:39.135 --> 00:36:45.224 At some point you reach the, you reach some state of yourself, you, which you're so confident. 00:36:45.315 --> 00:36:51.525 And by the way, this comes with taking responsibility, dealing with accountability and so on. 00:36:51.824 --> 00:36:53.085 So that's why I brought it up. 00:36:53.144 --> 00:36:53.445 Right. 00:36:53.835 --> 00:37:00.175 And after a certain point, you reach the state they've been feeling for some time, is that. 00:37:01.003 --> 00:37:12.034 I will never approach a problem with it cannot be done before doing X amount of research and being like nobody has that before. 00:37:12.034 --> 00:37:20.224 There is nothing about it from the internet, there is nothing, nobody is talking about this thing, you know, this is the point in which I'll be like, I cannot do these things. 00:37:20.554 --> 00:37:20.943 Right. 00:37:21.454 --> 00:37:27.724 However, if anything, it's just the slightest bit of stuff has been done on the problem. 00:37:28.364 --> 00:37:42.344 It will be very much interesting for me to go explore it, see if I can contribute and contribute with in some way, and then take on the challenge to do it or to give up doing. 00:37:43.605 --> 00:37:52.965 However, to me, this is very related to the concept of scoping, which we've decided to devote a whole session on. 00:37:53.985 --> 00:37:54.614 Anyways. 00:37:55.514 --> 00:37:57.644 I think we should end this session. 00:37:59.775 --> 00:38:03.405 So it was like a big responsibility to now edit all of this footage. 00:38:05.675 --> 00:38:06.125 All right. 00:38:06.125 --> 00:38:09.875 So I wanted to ask you this final question. 00:38:10.445 --> 00:38:13.835 What do you think about this podcast in terms of responses? 00:38:14.885 --> 00:38:20.954 Yeah, actually that's exactly what I said about the responsibility of editing because, uh, It's a shared responsibility, two of us. 00:38:20.954 --> 00:38:21.255 Right. 00:38:21.945 --> 00:38:25.724 And for example, for the editing, which is a big part of it, it's a big task. 00:38:25.724 --> 00:38:27.434 You've been just taking the responsibility. 00:38:28.005 --> 00:38:40.394 It was explicitly verbalized to really discuss, to say, okay, well edited, but it's just a responsibility that it just sucks away, time and effort and just organizing it is a bunch of effort. 00:38:41.025 --> 00:38:42.195 So yeah. 00:38:42.195 --> 00:38:44.414 W what are the things do we split? 00:38:44.744 --> 00:38:57.960 So for example, Preparing the topic for a particular episode, you had thought about this topic prepared, these eight questions that you said, you kind of knew you were going to ask at one point or another. 00:38:58.500 --> 00:39:05.460 So this was possibility for each episode to make it interesting too, to have stuff to talk about. 00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:15.630 I guess, down the line, we're going to have the responsibility to popularize it to where there's possibility to. 00:39:16.019 --> 00:39:18.420 Make time for it every week to me. 00:39:19.230 --> 00:39:30.059 So there's many responsibilities, I think in general, so far you've been thinking more of the responsibility, like editing and you're pushing a bit more for the jingles and stuff like that. 00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:32.039 Don't worry about it, 00:39:32.849 --> 00:39:33.570 but yeah, exactly. 00:39:33.570 --> 00:39:38.909 It's this shared responsibility, but there's no such thing as real shared responsibility, you just took the. 00:39:39.750 --> 00:39:41.940 Our member was going to see all that time back. 00:39:46.380 --> 00:39:54.719 It was about those bounty cards, open the Trello, which is essentially a backlog of tasks that anybody's capable of doing. 00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:59.760 And I've put a bounty on them, meaning that anybody is free to do them. 00:40:00.389 --> 00:40:03.300 And supposedly if you do them, you get. 00:40:04.574 --> 00:40:06.974 Karma points, let's say like in Reddit. 00:40:07.514 --> 00:40:21.885 And I was thinking about those communities online, uh, like forums, like Reddit, where there's no, let's see very tangible gain that you get from, from doing the job, but people still do it and they're very serious about it. 00:40:22.635 --> 00:40:33.179 Um, No, it's my responsibility as a moderator for this group, for it to be on topic for it to be very out of support to its members, et cetera. 00:40:33.690 --> 00:40:35.960 So it's interesting how they get it up, I guess. 00:40:35.980 --> 00:40:39.719 Not really sure, because there's always the admin, but the group of elements. 00:40:40.500 --> 00:40:41.880 Um, but yeah, I don't know. 00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:49.110 Just online communities I think are quite, not just online, like small communities in general are quite good at share responsibility. 00:40:52.934 --> 00:41:03.855 We all have our responsibilities here on the life math podcast, we have an extra responsibility to promote our product, pivotal.com. 00:41:04.005 --> 00:41:06.945 The go-to solution for meeting clients online. 00:41:07.514 --> 00:41:14.264 Now you, dear listener are a part of this podcast, so this is your responsibility as well. 00:41:14.925 --> 00:41:16.025 How can I help you? 00:41:16.304 --> 00:41:17.804 How can I help this podcast? 00:41:17.804 --> 00:41:19.514 How can I take responsibility? 00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:21.840 Well, very easily. 00:41:22.050 --> 00:41:29.550 Please tell anyone who requires a paid online meeting to make a living to check out through veta.com. 00:41:30.090 --> 00:41:31.170 Oh, sorry. 00:41:31.230 --> 00:41:34.320 I don't know anyone who provides services online. 00:41:34.784 --> 00:41:36.074 Oh, but yes, you do. 00:41:36.344 --> 00:41:49.844 Consultants, lawyers, physicians, yoga, instructors, fitness instructors, teachers, accountants, life coaches, astrologists, standup comedians, mock case interviewers, dungeon, masters, online team buildings, organizers. 00:41:50.144 --> 00:41:52.605 There are so many people that provide services. 00:41:53.434 --> 00:41:54.364 Just think about it. 00:41:54.934 --> 00:41:57.364 Take responsibility for this podcast.