How Colt McCoy Redefined Winning After Football의 전체 녹취록

a guy this morning and I gave him a book and just, you know, like win at what matters most. 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:24.240 You know, I'm always encouraging people to win at what matters most. 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:29.439 But listening are, you know, we we have a big outreach to pastors. 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:31.439 We have we have a college. 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:36.879 So we have here we have students training for most of them training for ministry. 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:40.719 Um, we we have thousands of young people that come on Wednesday night. 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:43.759 I know you do some work with helping the next generation. 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:44.879 You're a dad. 00:02:45.680 --> 00:03:03.120 So I think when we think about everyone listening, you know, in our culture, people look at you, even parents would say, you know, I want my kid to get to that level in sports, you know, or whatever it might be, you know. 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:07.599 And so talk to me a little bit about, you know, your story. 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:09.039 Tell me about your journey. 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:14.639 Did did you, you know, did you think you would end up playing 14 seasons in the NFL? 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:16.960 I mean, I know it's like a kid's dream, right? 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:21.599 But like tell me a little bit about your story, where you come from and yeah, for sure. 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:25.280 Uh no, I did not think I was gonna play 14 years in the NFL. 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:36.560 Um, I grew up not far from here, like you know, two hours, maybe an hour and 40 minutes south of Abilene, small town, um, amazing community, wouldn't wouldn't trade it for anything. 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:37.039 Yeah. 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:44.000 Um and long story short, I got recruited to go to Texas to play quarterback and kind of the rest is history. 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:46.560 So I I I didn't know I was gonna need to go to college. 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:53.919 You know, it's like I'd I was I was gonna be um satisfied with going to Abling Christian and trying to play football. 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:54.159 Yeah. 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:55.919 You know, and I ended up playing at Texas. 00:03:56.000 --> 00:04:10.000 And uh that's the that's the quick bit, but but you go to Texas and then you know you you I'm on a good team and you know had great teammates and coaches and you know things kind of worked out and all of a sudden you play 14 years in the NFL. 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:18.240 And so that yeah, that that was a uh I look back and I'm I am extremely grateful for what I got to do. 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:18.560 Yeah. 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:20.079 You know, humbled by it. 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:24.959 Um, you know, that kind of that just really doesn't happen um very often. 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:25.439 Right. 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:28.000 And and so I pinch myself sometimes now. 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:30.800 You know, you talk about winning, and you talk about scoreboard, right? 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:36.560 There's there are so many things that as an athlete, as a competitor, that I didn't accomplish, right? 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:41.279 You set these big goals and dreams and yeah, and and a lot of them didn't happen. 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:42.800 And that's disappointing. 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:43.279 Yeah. 00:04:43.439 --> 00:05:00.879 Um but at the same time, when it's when it's all over and I I had I retired a couple years ago, you know, I I'm I am so grateful for you know, the the time that I got to have in the NFL and the things I got to do and the people I got to meet and the places I got to play and just just all of that. 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:11.040 It it it it it is um I'm I'm I'm very you know, my my heart and my posture towards it all is is uh I'm I'm so grateful for it. 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:11.680 Yeah, yeah. 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:25.680 I mean and and and speaking specifically of you know, you you talk about you dream about the game, the national championship, Alabama, you know, like you you've been open about that. 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:39.680 Yeah, man, your comments showed your faith that in the moment, even you're you're you're it's almost like you're like we always do, it's like I'm I'm I'm I'm leaning toward what my spirit knows is true, right? 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:49.680 You're like I'm not gonna get angry at God, but then even processing it afterwards, it's like there's disappointment because you got you got injured right there with your shoulder right in the beginning of the game. 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:50.399 Yeah, you know. 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:55.120 Oh listen pissed, okay? 00:05:56.319 --> 00:06:03.199 Um upset, mad, discouraged, you know, questioning, you know, like what in the world just happened. 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:03.600 Right. 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:18.240 Um, but I think what I'm you even even looking back now, it's like I still haven't watched a game where you know somebody wins the national championship and they go and they interview the loser. 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:18.959 Right. 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:19.360 Right. 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:22.720 I played, you know, five plays in that game or whatever. 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:23.199 Right. 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:25.519 Um and it was I was disappointed. 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:27.600 I was not expecting that to happen. 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:28.079 Yeah. 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:37.920 Um but I think all these years later, you know, what came out was like truly what was deep down in my heart was that like, yes, Jesus is my rock. 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:38.240 Right. 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:41.680 And we don't have all the answers to the test here on earth. 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:45.199 And we question why things happen the way they do, and it's frustrating. 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:48.959 And you know, I'm angry and I'm hurting actually. 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:57.680 Um, but in that moment, it was

hey, you know, I'm I'm standing in the truth, I'm standing in the rock, like Jesus is my rock. 00:06:57.839 --> 00:06:59.120 Isaiah 26, 3. 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:07.680 And so um, I am so grateful that that's what that's what came out because the emotions, the feelings, you know, and God's okay with that. 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:11.920 I mean, we see in scripture, he's okay with us giving him our real self, right? 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:19.680 But I think I think it's important, and it and it was important for me now looking back, is that your your feelings follow the truth, right? 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:31.439 The truth is that that Jesus is the Son of God and Jesus is on his throne, and we we can pursue and push and try to win at so many things, but at the end of the day, if though if those are out of line, then we're out of line. 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:32.079 Exactly. 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:35.759 And yeah, I'd love to go back right now and and change that. 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:38.959 Um but but we can't, and that and that's life. 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:44.480 And and you know, people have have experienced so many, you know, harder things than that. 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:45.120 Right. 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:54.560 Um, and and I think for me, you know, I'm just I'm very grateful that you know, at the end of the day, like that's that's where my heart was. 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:54.879 Yeah. 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:57.759 And and you know, we're all gonna suffer. 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:05.040 You know, we've been doing a Bible study in First Peter, and you know, Peter talks about that the entire five chapters of First Peter. 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:19.439 Like he doesn't say, you know, if you suffer, it's like when when you suffer, when you fall short, when you struggle, you know, it's it's um, you know, what what is what's helping you and consistently through all that, and that's that's the Lord, obviously. 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:35.200 And I think that's that's true for in a in a major setting like the national championship game, or you know, when you're trying to be a good dad or a good husband or coworker or teacher or whatever, like the most important thing is the most important thing. 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:35.600 Yeah. 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:40.159 And um, you know, I'm unfortunately I learned that hard lesson in that moment. 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:42.399 I don't I don't wish that on anybody. 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:48.320 Um but I've I've certainly grown a bunch through through athletic experiences, right? 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:53.600 Like suffered injuries, I've had setbacks, I've had a lot of disappointing things happen. 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:54.960 I've had some good things happen. 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:59.279 Um, but but I look back and I've I've gained a lot of wisdom through all that. 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:03.360 What do you think about, you know, from a from a leadership standpoint, right? 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:09.200 Because most people that listen to this podcast are like, I'm I'm I'm I'm I have some responsibilities, right? 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:28.240 I'm I'm and maybe just being a dad or being a mom, or but we have you know, teachers, we have people, and then so they're tuning in saying, hey, what can I what can I learn that can help me with my assignment, you know, and a lot of pastors too, you know, and and and so it's like what what did what did you learn? 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:36.399 Because you were, you know, your dad was your coach, you you you had coach Mac Brown, um, you had different NFL teams. 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:45.039 What was some things you learned about like being a and of course you in the quarterback position had a a leadership role? 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:50.159 What what are some things you learned that was the recipe for winning environments? 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:54.000 What what are some some things that are different about winning environments? 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:56.000 Yeah, that's a great question. 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:58.399 Um there's a lot in that. 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:07.440 Um listen, I've been on I've been on some really good teams, and I've been on some teams that that that you know struggled, weren't weren't as good. 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:14.720 And there's certainly a difference between you know the kind of the the makeup of why why was this one way versus this? 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:17.679 And and talent is is a factor in that. 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:26.720 Um but at the end of the day, I think there's there's there's several there's several things that that uh make good teams. 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:30.559 Is talent the the main thing or is it part of the equation? 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:33.200 Talent ha talent is just part of the equation, yeah. 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:33.600 Right? 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:38.240 Like I've seen many times, you know, look at yesterday, Oklahoma beat Texas. 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:40.960 Like Texas was definitely more talented than though, right? 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:42.480 Like there's something there. 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:47.600 You know, I think I I'll go back to uh I was a couple years in the NFL. 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:53.519 Um I was playing for the Cleveland Browns, and and you know, I was playing my heart out, and we weren't that good. 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:57.279 You know, we we it was hard, I mean, it was so hard to win a game. 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:10.879 And and um, you know, you're you're as a leader, as a quarterback, you know, you're always trying to figure out and solve things, fix things, provide a solution that we can be better at, and that'll never change. 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:12.960 I think that's just part of my DNA. 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:23.679 But you know, I I I had a conversation with an old friend, and and this guy was a mentor of mine, and he just asked me, like, what what what what is a leader to you? 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know, and I started listening, like, oh, you know, like a leader is a man who you know is uh you know kind of servant hearted, puts others first, you know. 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:46.159 Uh I I gave him this this long list of things, sacrifice, um and he was like, Look, a leader is a man who can manage his own fears. 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:52.159 So before you can even talk to anyone else, like you've got to you've got to be able to understand you. 00:11:52.480 --> 00:12:02.960 Like what what makes you tick, what's holding you back, like what what is it that that that you can figure out about yourself that you you can manage the things that inside of you. 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:04.879 And I think that's so true. 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:15.919 And the the great teams that I've been a part of have had a bunch of leaders, but they were they were all comfortable in who they were and they pushed themselves as much as anyone else because they cared about everyone else. 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:16.399 Right. 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:25.039 Um, and I think sometimes, you know, one bad apple can bring the whole thing down in some teams or some organizations or in some environments, right? 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:44.879 And I think for for me that that really that really helped me understand as a quarterback, like managing my fears, managing the things that I know I need to work on or I need to improve on, or ways that I'm that I'm not, you know, kind of setting the standard um helped me be better. 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:48.480 And it's always easier when the ball's in your hand. 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:48.799 Right. 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:49.279 Right? 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:56.559 Like you when when the ball's in my hand and I'm scoring touchdowns or throwing touchdowns and we're winning games, like it's pretty easy to be a leader. 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:06.720 You got you gotta caution yourself on some things, but like it being a leader when you're number two or when you're on the sidelines or when you're holding a clipboard, right? 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:11.440 Like figuring out ways to be to be a leader in those environments, because you you that's who you are. 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:11.919 Right. 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:18.559 That's where that's where I've grown a bunch in my faith, um, in my life. 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:24.559 Um you know, though though in those settings, we're all gonna have those times in our life. 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:35.200 That that's where that's where I really think the Bible jumps out to me when it when it talks about um you know being a servant, you know, loving others. 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:35.600 Right. 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:39.840 You know, can you know the the the the the least will be greatest. 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:40.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:44.240 Um and so I think that that that's some of the lessons that I've learned. 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:45.120 That's so good. 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:53.039 Yeah, I mean, any any anything, leadership, the starting point, right, is gotta lead yourself, right? 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:58.080 Which which obviously with our faith is we we we know we have to be submitted. 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:02.240 You know, you you don't you teach what you know, yeah, you reproduce what you are, right? 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:03.600 So so I agree with you. 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:09.679 It like it all starts with the hardest person you will ever lead is yourself, right? 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:28.240 And that's what makes a leader worth following, is if people see not perfection, but sincerity and authenticity, that you you genuinely are are saying, hey, I'm I'm in this with you, and I'm putting my my own uh self in into submission to to what I'm what I'm sharing with you. 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:37.519 What you know, along the way, so you so you're you know, you're you step into the NFL, you you know, you you make these steps. 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:50.879 I think here's a question I've been wanting to ask you because I see a lot of people who say, you know, God, if you will, you know, help me get to Texas, you know, then I'm gonna be a light, you know, in that place. 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:57.440 And you know, boy, if I ever were to, you know, make it to Hollywood, you know, then I'm gonna change. 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:18.399 Talk to me about, you know, you know, the the the holding on to your faith and being a light and and going into those settings because as human beings in a season of promotion sometimes is the hardest uh place to really still, you know, stay surrendered and stay submitted. 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:35.919 What what how how did you and then also not like we're putting a fish on our jersey and you know beating people over the head with the Bible, how did you balance that with saying I want to be I want to be authentic to my faith, but I'm also here in this environment of whatever it is. 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:37.120 Yeah, that's great. 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:45.120 I I I would say one of the things I always try to do is just just consistently be who God called me to be. 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:45.519 Yeah. 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:56.240 And that's easier said than done, you know, through big wins or or huge losses, like showing up and being consistently the same person everybody knows. 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:13.120 You know, um, and and you know, when I when I walk into a room, it's not like I'm walking in with John 3.16 under my under my eyes, you know, and and you know, wearing my Superman cape of of you know, this is my faith. 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:13.600 Yeah. 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:18.559 I think for me, the way I've all and and I'm not saying that's wrong. 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:18.879 Right. 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:25.120 For me, you through all these years, you know, I I really wanted to show up and be the same guy every day. 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:25.679 Right. 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:44.159 And

you know, that's you know, loving all my teammates, that's serving others, that's being humble, that's um, you know, working hard, setting an example, saying the right things, the you know, by the way, by the way you talk, by the way you act, by the way you you carry yourself, but you know, the way you show respect. 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:52.559 Like there's so many things that you can you can pluck from scripture on, you know, kind of what God wants us to be like. 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:53.919 And none of us are perfect. 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:57.279 Like we we we all fall short, including me. 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:05.519 But I think you know, over time, um, I was always attracted to the person that was kind of the most consistent through it all. 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:05.839 Right. 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:11.920 The guy who just showed up and and worked hard and even through disappointment, you know, you you knew you could count on him. 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:12.160 Right. 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:16.400 Like that my teammates knew they could count on me on Sundays based on my body of work every week. 00:17:16.640 --> 00:17:17.920 That wasn't gonna change. 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:35.759 And I think the more the the the teams that I played on that were that were better generally had more guys that just that that showed up and you know through the highs and the lows, they were able to find a balance of of you know just just showing up and and doing it. 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:53.359 And and I think I don't know I don't know if that helps, but I think for me that that's always maybe that was from my dad who was a coach, maybe my granddad was a coach, and right and you just you kind of absorb some things growing up, being around different teams, and and you know, listen, football is the greatest team sport. 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:53.920 It is. 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:57.920 I can walk into a huddle and I'll tell 10 guys what to do. 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:07.279 Yeah, but if all 11 of us don't execute the same way and do the right thing and take the right steps and run the right route and all like like it's not gonna work. 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:07.599 Right. 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:12.160 And I recognize early on, I think that's one of the reasons why I love football. 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:15.119 Yeah, because all of it matters. 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:16.559 Yes, not just me. 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:17.039 Yeah. 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:22.480 It's it's it's everybody on the same page doing the right thing over and over and over. 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:26.480 When you can consistently execute at a high level, you win a lot of games. 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:28.880 Um and it's it's kind of like our life, right? 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:40.880 If we if I can show up every day as a dad, I'm disappointed at work, but I can come home and I can, you know, put that aside and say, you know what, like this is this is priority number two behind my faith. 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:41.119 Right. 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:43.839 And I'm gonna, I'm gonna shepherd this, I'm gonna take care of this. 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:45.200 No, no matter what. 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:46.799 Like, like that's what I mean. 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:52.880 It's just I I I constantly pray for consistency in my life to be to be more like Christ. 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:54.079 That's so good. 00:18:54.240 --> 00:19:00.079 The the phrase I always think about is do the people who know you best, right? 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:20.960 And I think pastors struggle even more today, and you lived with the world of there's a press, there's the people writing, there's people that are, you know, superimposing a perspective on you that could be true or not true, and there's always all of this around you, but it do the people who know you best respect you the most. 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:22.400 That's really what matters. 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:32.720 And so that that's that's what I hear you saying is if I'm if I'm consistent, that there's gonna be uh varying degrees of perspective the further you move from that. 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:34.559 Yeah but who am I? 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:37.519 And then who am I with the people who know me best? 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:40.480 I used to have a coach who said I hate flash players. 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:42.079 I was like, what is a flash player? 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:49.119 He's like the guy who makes a flash catch down the sidelines, and then you don't hear from him for another two weeks till he makes another splash play, right? 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:52.720 Like he was like these the the flash moments, the flash players. 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:54.640 He was like, I don't I don't want them. 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:58.319 I want the guy who who's gonna who's gonna do it right all the time. 00:19:58.559 --> 00:19:59.200 That's so good. 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:05.440 And and and I tell people, I mean, really, I'm a pastor, but I kind of lead our church like a dad or a coach. 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:08.079 Because I think church is like football. 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:14.240 I mean, we see in the New Testament, you can't say to the right guard, which I played on the line, I never touched the ball, right? 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:18.400 So it's like you can't say to him, we don't need you, right? 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:23.039 The the ear, the eye, the different gifts, like we need we need everyone. 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:29.119 So, really, a great church is really not a group of special people. 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:36.240 It's just ordinary people who know their assignment, prefer one another, work together as a team to glorify Christ. 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:37.359 That's really what it is. 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:39.279 It's just it's kind of like a football team. 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:39.920 That's right. 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:41.119 Everybody has a role. 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:45.119 And and and the deal is we're

we're not playing a game that doesn't matter. 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:46.960 We're we're talking about heaven and hell here. 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:49.759 This this is a this is a reality. 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:51.680 You mentioned your dad and your granddad. 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:52.559 Talk about your faith. 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:54.640 When did you come to faith in Christ? 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:59.680 Like how what what what what has been your kind of faith journey uh in terms of that? 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:05.920 Yeah, no, I I'm my my family is special, and I'm I'm so thankful for for my family. 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:13.839 My my grandparents, uh strong believers, um, my parents, um amazing um followers of Christ. 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:15.200 We were in church all the time. 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:19.279 You know, there was you know the doors were open, we were there, right? 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:23.759 And so that was just that was built into me for for most of my life. 00:21:24.319 --> 00:21:35.200 Um, you know, I think, you know, so I heading off kind of on my own, I had a pretty firm foundation of of of scripture, of of who I am in Christ. 00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:44.160 Um, but I think you know, we all get to a point in our lives where we we've gotta we've really got to kind of make a choice of like, okay, I've I've learned about this my whole life. 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:45.680 Is this really what I believe in? 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:46.319 Right, right. 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:54.240 Um, I'm also you throwing touchdowns on Saturdays and can kind of do it or be exposed to whatever I want there to be. 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:54.559 Right. 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:59.759 Um and so I think I think really my faith was tested the most as I as I got into college and your faith. 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:01.920 A lot of pressure and expectations. 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:07.680 And you're in a place where there's there was more people in my dorm room than there was in my hometown. 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:07.920 Right. 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:10.400 So like I I mean it was just a lot, right? 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:23.119 And I I'll forever be grateful for uh friends that were put into my life, um, teachers, uh, preachers, pastors that poured into me in those seasons. 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:28.000 Um, because there's there's a lot going on from when you're 18 to 22 years old. 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:28.720 It's yeah. 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:42.240 Um and so there's some really special men uh that that really walked with me, prayed for me, helped me through, you know, maybe bad decisions I made and you know what what that means, how can I grow from this? 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:43.359 What can I learn? 00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:47.359 Um and so it's I I'm I am I am so grateful for that. 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:51.759 I think I think for me, just the understanding of grace. 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:52.079 Yeah. 00:22:52.480 --> 00:23:00.960 I think I have a tendency to be, you know, really regimented, you know, really legalistic on yeah, I'm gonna do this so I can get this. 00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:05.200 And I and that that is the that is the total opposite story of the New Testament. 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:06.799 Total opposite story of grace. 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:07.279 That's right. 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:10.880 There's nothing I can do that's gonna get me to heaven someday. 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:12.079 Literally nothing. 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:19.200 Don't know how many trophies I win, how many things I do well, how many times I pray, how many, how much I read like like nothing's gonna get me there. 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:20.000 That's religion. 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:25.359 And so I I think I I'm just I'm I'm in awe of of grace. 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:25.839 Yeah. 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:41.759 And and when when I grasped that, when I started understanding that, man, I I I just I felt this this freedom and this and in in life and football and my marriage and being a being a dad, yeah, you name it. 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:45.519 Uh because Lord knows we all fall short in a lot of ways. 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:46.000 Yeah. 00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:50.559 Um but God paid the or Jesus paid the price for for all of us. 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:57.599 And and you know, understanding that and and living my life that way is just is is amazing. 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:22.400 So I in December I led my trainer to Christ, and then just I I would say the number one barrier, you know, we we talk about the the isms, you know, the Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, you know, the number one barrier to people coming to faith in our culture is really not a religion of some sort or a philosophical ideology. 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:26.400 Most people I talk to is when I say, What are you gonna do with Jesus? 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:28.240 They say, I'm a good person. 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:38.319 A good person is sometimes harder to lead to Christ than someone of another religion because what you're saying is we all relate to we're we're performance-oriented. 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:54.640 So then we bring that to our faith in Christ, and you know, it's like, well, I'm gonna do better and get better, and I'm gonna become more righteous and and and have righteousness, which you know the problem is he's not grading on a curve, right? 00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:56.480 It's perfection is the goal. 00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:57.200 Totally. 00:24:57.680 --> 00:24:59.680 And so I I I agree. 00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:06.960 That's just the the grace of God, which is being also extended to people who don't receive Christ. 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:13.839 There's a common grace that everyone's living under that goodness, even the people that are are are totally rejecting him. 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:15.599 You know, that's how good he is. 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:16.160 That's right. 00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:19.599 So tell me, I want to talk too about

something that I'm passionate about. 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:21.279 I I I write about it. 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:44.960 I I say, so I'm at a phase in life a little further than you where you know my kids are getting up, grown, and married, and you know, and and I and talking about family and parenting, every time I talk about it, I feel like spiritual warfare a lot of times, you know, because I don't want to put myself out there because I'm definitely not saying I'm the standard and you don't want to put that pressure on your kids. 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:54.559 I'm not in the same as you, but pastoring a larger church, being in the community, you know, you can you can feel a pressure like you're in a glass house, right? 00:25:54.640 --> 00:26:04.480 And I don't want to, I don't want to put undue pressure on them, but I do feel like like there there needs to be somebody championing this and talking about this. 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:18.640 And and so I want to just say, you know, when I heard your story, even the broadcasting thing and like stepping back, I I have stepped back so much, even what we're doing, this podcast. 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:20.559 I just started it, but I'm 53. 00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:23.599 I never spoke at a national conference till I was 48. 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:27.039 I've just been a local church pastor and a dad, you know. 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:29.200 And so there's a season for everything. 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:32.960 And I think a lot of people today want everything in the same season. 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:41.599 And you, you know, so talk to me about talk to me about being a dad, being a being a husband, talk to me about convictions about that. 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:50.000 Like how do you I mean obviously in when you were playing, there's a difference there, and then you know, now so tell me what you say. 00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:55.839 What do you what do you say to the I think it's amazing your parents had you in church, you know? 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.160 Nowadays everybody plays ball all the time. 00:26:58.240 --> 00:26:58.960 I know, you know. 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:02.640 I I'd say as a pastor, we ain't fighting the devil, we're fighting select baseball. 00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:04.880 We're fighting e sports, that's what we're fighting. 00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:07.920 Um yeah, no, that's that's great. 00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:08.880 I I I do. 00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:15.680 I mean, I I you know being being a a parent is a lot, I mean, first of all, you get married, that's a lot of responsibility. 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:16.480 It is, right? 00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:30.960 Leading your wife, and you know, you know, it's a it's a covenant, it's uh, you know, marriage, like you know, and and just you know, understanding her and leading her and you know, all she's different football. 00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:33.440 All that is so there's so much there. 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:39.599 And then you then you become a parent,

and then then you have four kids, and it's like yeah, um, it it's hard. 00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:45.839 And there there's nights where I lay down and my wife and I pray together, and it's like I I don't I don't know if I'm doing this right. 00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:46.240 Yeah. 00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:55.519 I don't, I don't, I'm I lost my patience today, or I said something I shouldn't say, or I offended them, or I I don't I mean, I've lived in a glass box my whole life. 00:27:55.599 --> 00:28:11.119 And so I think you know, playing in the NFL, you know, I I I was always guilty of my time because I needed to be at work and I needed to be, you know, going through third downs and figuring out what I'm gonna do on Sundays to win the game. 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:18.079 And, you know, a lot of my time got neglected with my family, but I I always made time throughout my week. 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:33.920 And I think when I had the opportunity to go into the NFL and and you know be a coach or I was on the path to do really amazing things, yeah um, you know, I had to take a step back and I just wasn't I wasn't fully comfortable doing that. 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:40.000 And I think a lot of it was, you know, I I want to I want to be a dad and I I need to be a dad. 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:42.720 I'm I'm called to be a father. 00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:43.680 Good for you. 00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:44.880 And and that was hard. 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:56.799 I mean, I'm not patting myself on the back, but that's a good journey of of of kind of you know figuring out what my what what the Lord wanted for me to do. 00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:03.200 Um and so you know I've I've got four kids, 11, 9, 8, and 5, three girls, one boy. 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:04.400 Um they're incredible. 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:14.720 But uh but now moving back to Texas and and you know being able to to be at home most nights and be around is is is great. 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:21.519 But it's also you know, I think they're the responsibility in that is like not just be home. 00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.799 Yeah, like we're we are shepherding, we are we are leading, right? 00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:27.279 We are serving, we are we are a picture to them. 00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:30.160 They're we're the closest picture to them of who Jesus is. 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:30.799 That's right. 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:37.599 You see, when when I kiss my wife in the kitchen and all my kids, you know, go, ew, whatever. 00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:39.279 Like they know that I love her. 00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:39.759 Right. 00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:40.160 Right. 00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:41.359 And they know that I love them. 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:42.319 That's so good. 00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:52.000 And and so we're we are I am doing my best to to shepherd, to lead, to love, to, to um teach, yeah, to help. 00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:54.319 You know, I want to be involved in my kids, yeah. 00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:58.720 I want in their lives and the choices they make and the decisions they make as they get older. 00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:04.319 Like I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to look back and you know, I'm not saying my kids are gonna grow up and be perfect. 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:05.039 That's not the goal. 00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.960 The goal is to like lead them to where their hearts will fall in love with Jesus. 00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:09.920 Exactly. 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:14.400 Um, and so it's it is it is probably the hardest thing in the world, right? 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.920 I can I can throw touchdowns on Sunday, but this is this is actually harder. 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.559 Yeah, you're you're illustrating my message, right? 00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:24.880 It's like what it what happens is guys have trouble admitting that, right? 00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:30.640 And then they don't get around, you're putting yourself around people to to grow in that. 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:32.559 And you know, it's it's interesting. 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:38.480 Football, you know, you you get you get people, you get coaches, you watch the game, you invest in it. 00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:44.160 I was discipling a guy, and he's like, I just can't, I just can't like like remember the Bible. 00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:50.400 I'm like, but you know, every sports stat from 1970 wants you a little more focused here. 00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:51.200 You know what I mean? 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:54.960 But uh guys don't get a lot of times a lot of input. 00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:56.799 You're you do know this. 00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:58.880 I had a great dad. 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:14.799 My my parents were first generation Christians, and so I'm so I'm always championing the these young families who are charting a new territory, like your grandfather, or somewhere in those generations, somebody decided, as for me and my house, we're gonna serve the Lord, right? 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:20.480 And you're a you're a third generation beneficiary of that decision, right? 00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:32.480 And so, but I think having that input, you know, a lot of people don't have that, but that doesn't mean that they can't get around the people or get around the environments to grow in it, right? 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:36.799 And and and you learn what you're around, you you you what you invest in, you know. 00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:37.680 Exactly. 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.440 Um I brought my son here, Judd, come here for a second. 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:43.519 Come up here. 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:50.480 He's about to lose his middle tooth, so he's a little um listen. 00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:58.240 I I don't really know exactly how to be a good parent or how to tell you this is this is what you need to do to be a great. 00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:00.319 I don't I mean, we're all different. 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:02.000 All of our families, kids are different. 00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:04.559 My my

oldest is so much different than my second. 00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:05.119 That's so good. 00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:06.559 Than my third, than my fourth. 00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:08.480 Like they all have their own personalities, right? 00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:10.160 But they're all looking to us. 00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:10.400 Right. 00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:12.000 We're the closest thing to them. 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:12.319 Yeah. 00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:21.519 And so my wife and I sat down and we're trying to figure out we want like a mission statement, or we like how are we gonna like get across to our kids? 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:28.960 Like, this is what this is what me and mommy are trying to to be like or to do, to you know, why do we go to church? 00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:32.960 Why do we why do we serve, why do we open up our homes, people to come in? 00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:35.839 Like what who I mean, kids are asking all these questions all the time. 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:47.680 So I wrote out this long, like, you know, this is this is our kind of values, this is our mission statement, and it was it was impossible to like, it was beautiful, but it was impossible to like navigate. 00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:53.039 And so I just we I just narrowed it down to to to L3H3. 00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:53.680 Okay. 00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:56.079 And Judd, can you tell us what L3H is? 00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:57.039 This is very impromptu. 00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:58.640 I hope you remember what we're talking about. 00:32:58.720 --> 00:32:59.440 What is L3? 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:02.559 Love God, love family, love. 00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:04.079 And what's H3? 00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:07.119 There you go. 00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:07.759 Love it. 00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:09.039 Good job, my man. 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:09.599 You're good. 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:10.880 Good job. 00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:11.519 Thank you. 00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:15.759 We just say L3H3, and it's kind of like our our deal, you know? 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:22.319 It's like around the table, like, hey man, um you know, love God, love family, love others. 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:23.839 How did you how'd you do that today? 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:24.960 Give me what happened? 00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:26.160 Did somebody love you today? 00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:28.880 How you know, or humility, honor, and hard work. 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:32.240 How did you how did you show honor to to someone today? 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:32.799 That's good. 00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:33.839 How was school today? 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:34.720 Did you work hard? 00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:41.279 Yeah, you know, like there it's just it provides ways for us to just engage and and have conversation. 00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:56.799 And um, you know, as that's been, you know, that that's not all of it, but like there, there's a lot in there that that allows us to kind of set a set an example and set a standard of of kind of what we think God's calling us to be. 00:33:57.039 --> 00:33:57.920 That's so good. 00:33:58.079 --> 00:33:58.880 That's so good. 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:02.319 I mean, it it's just you're prioritizing it, right? 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:14.320 Like you said, you're not perfect, you're not, you don't, you sometimes feel like you're but the encouragement I'm always giving and what we're giving to everybody, and what you're really doing is saying, this is important to me. 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:16.800 So I'm going to grow in this area. 00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:18.559 I'm gonna prioritize in this area. 00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:34.880 I'm gonna, you know, yeah, it I the deal is as a pastor for 30 plus years, I've sat with people at the end, and when they're on their deathbed, what they're not talking about is their football championships, their business deals, or their 401k. 00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.800 They are talking about that little guy or their golf game. 00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:39.360 Yeah. 00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:41.599 They're talking about that that guy, right? 00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:42.800 They're talking about your wife. 00:34:42.880 --> 00:35:04.639 They're talking about the people, you know, and so I it's just it and and I think in our world, and then as the algorithm-driven iPhone now has has changed our culture too, because now I also have another scoreboard, which is everybody else's life, that usually isn't painting that as the target, right? 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:07.199 It's it's it's inspiring you to go. 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:14.000 What what are you um tell us about like what are you also you're passionate about your family and you're doing real estate? 00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:20.320 But what tell me tell us like just what what would you, you know, the next generation? 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:21.679 I'm passionate about that. 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:23.280 Tell me, tell me something. 00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:24.639 What are you passionate about? 00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:32.559 Like what if you could, if you know, the audience here, you know, it's like, yeah, Colt, he's a football player, but he loved husband, dad. 00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:54.079 But like when you think about the world today and you think about giving back, what is kind of your you simplified it there with your kids, but like if you were speaking to, you know, hundreds of young people right now, or even a pastor who feels discouraged, like you know, a pastor sometimes like a quarterback, he studies for the game and then everybody drops the ball. 00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:55.360 Yeah, you know, right? 00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:56.159 What would you say? 00:35:56.239 --> 00:35:58.320 Like, what are you passionate about in our world? 00:35:58.480 --> 00:35:59.519 What are you thinking about? 00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:07.760 What would you if if if if time were no object, money were no object, and God just said, here, Colt, what would you what would you do to make a difference? 00:36:08.639 -->

00:36:09.679 Yeah, there's so many things. 00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:13.119 Uh, you know, I think number one, I think God calls us to work. 00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:15.199 You know, I I I'm very grateful. 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:16.639 I moved back to Texas. 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:24.079 We we live in Fort Worth, and you know, I started a real estate company with a with a lot of guys, and uh it's been awesome. 00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:27.920 It's it has been so great, so different from football. 00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:37.119 Yeah, but there's a lot of the same things that that apply, you know, of being on a good team and leading and serving and helping and growing and cultivating. 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:47.840 Um, and that's been a that's been a I've always loved um real estate and starting a company and kind of building that and growing that has been has been really cool. 00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:48.239 Yeah. 00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:52.880 Um but I think you know business is is is great. 00:36:53.039 --> 00:37:05.440 You know, home is you know where you it's you it's your faith, it's your family, and then it's kind of you know your your work because you gotta you gotta provide and you gotta you gotta you know serve and help in your community and all those things. 00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:12.079 But I think you know I I love the fact that now you know my wife and I have been able to do some things together. 00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:25.119 Right for a long time, you know, it was hey Rachel, like you, you get the kids, you move the kids, we're moving to this city, and like I'll see y'all when you get here and I'm on a mission, you know, for years and years and years, right? 00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:26.480 For 20 years. 00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:33.039 Yeah um and now it's like hey, okay, I've uh we we're kind of somewhat settled. 00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:35.039 You know, we live in an amazing place that we love. 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:40.320 We kind of planted our flag in in Texas and in Fort Worth and started a business, and that's going well. 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:44.400 But like, you know, Rachel and I have been able to to to serve on some boards together. 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:52.239 We we're very passionate about uh church, we're very passionate about um you know the the foster care system. 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:52.480 Okay. 00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:59.599 You know, we we're we are we are doing things and engaged with some groups who are trying to end the child welfare crisis in America. 00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:03.599 So like and and there's a big faith component to that, right? 00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:11.920 Like we we we want to you know be a be a part of helping solve some of these some of these problems, and and they're it's everywhere, it's uh it's around us. 00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:22.159 But there's there's so many cool missions like that, you know, um that that that people are serving for and and helping and aiding and giving money to. 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:27.440 And you know, I think for a long time in my life it was like football, football, football, football. 00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:41.519 And now it's now it is it is uh it's been really great to just kind of come alongside my wife, who's amazing, and and kind of you know do things together that that are that are truly making a difference. 00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:43.920 And and uh that's been special. 00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:51.760 You know, when it comes to the next generation, you know, you hear I I I find people are in two different categories, you know. 00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.480 You hear talk about work, you're in the marketplace, right? 00:38:54.559 --> 00:39:01.760 And it's just like, well, young people don't want to work, or you know, a guy the other day, millennials, I'm like, you do realize they're like 40 now, right? 00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:13.760 So it's like so there's there's sort of can be this camp of it's just different, you know, they've they've got technology, you know, we've we've lost the grit, you know, everybody's writing about grit. 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:25.039 Then you have this other category of people who are connected with young people, but what what do you think, you know, what what are some of the messages to the next generation? 00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:27.440 What are some things you're like, we don't want to lose this? 00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:29.119 What do what do you ever think about that? 00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:39.519 Like if you were coaching a a team, you know, which I'm sure with this young guy, you're gonna be in there with different little leagues and different whatever or whatever he gets into, you'll be around it. 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:41.519 But what do you what do you what do you what do you think? 00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:47.119 Is there some things you think that you see that needs to be emphasized? 00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:50.000 That that maybe is underemphasized? 00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:52.079 Yeah, well, I I I do. 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:57.679 I think I think these things can be a problem, but they could there's there's also a lot of things you can solve with things. 00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:04.960 Um I think I think just a couple things, and this may sound like I'm the I'm the old man in the room here, but I I think just engagement. 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:23.679 I think I think just um being in community, you know, that that's what church is, and and eye to eye and and talking through problems and and sharing things that you're going through and and having, you know, uh Joby Martin talks about mat carriers, you know, guys who are in your corner that you can do life with. 00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:25.679 I think I just don't want to lose that. 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:36.000 I see a lot of uh of of our younger generation just plugged in on their phone and and you know missing out on on actual engagement with other people. 00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:40.639 And that that sounds kind of old school and and

corny, yeah. 00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:42.079 But I but I think that's real. 00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:43.199 Man, I I I do. 00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:47.679 I I think I think community is a is a very powerful thing. 00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:48.000 Yeah. 00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:49.280 And we all grew up with that. 00:40:49.360 --> 00:41:02.320 Yeah um I think it in my in my job and my work, it's like it's a it's about relationships, it's about it's about eye-to-eye contact, it's about you know solving other people's problems or coming alongside and helping them find a solution. 00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:06.719 And um I I you know sports is great. 00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:10.400 I can give you sports analogies all the time, but what what makes great sports teams? 00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:18.480 Well, they all care about each other, they sacrifice for each other, they're disciplined, you know, they show up early for workouts because everybody else is counting on them. 00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:18.639 Right. 00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:26.559 You know, and I think like some of that needs to just continue to go as we as we grow up and as we start working, as we start providing. 00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:29.440 Um, and so I'm I I I want more of that. 00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:35.920 I want, I want, you know, it's I it's so easy in our culture to be like, I'm gonna go service me. 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:36.159 Right. 00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:37.280 I'm gonna go help me. 00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:39.039 Yeah, and I'm gonna do what I want to do. 00:41:39.119 --> 00:42:02.079 And I and I I do think that that uh some of that is probably okay, but but you know, the the the real community of of people and love and and service and sacrifice and you know, having you know a group of mat carriers or your church or or people that you're engaged with to do life with is is what God wants. 00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:02.960 That's so good. 00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:04.239 Yeah, isolation. 00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.840 I mean, it that's the power of of sports, right? 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:11.920 Like, and I'm not saying everybody's gonna be sports oriented, right? 00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:23.519 But team, even your the debate team, the band, the you know, getting your kids involved with church and getting them involved with community, because it's so much easier to isolate, right? 00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:24.719 Is what you're basically saying. 00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:33.519 And just just just we we we have a tendency to to pull back and this this pushes us beyond our insecurities. 00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:43.840 It causes us to care about as someone discipling people, pastoring people, and even employing young leaders, like bringing young leaders into ministry. 00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:51.280 I do find that young people who have been involved in team activities of some sort are more effective. 00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:52.400 It's just bottom line. 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:53.679 They're more effective in life. 00:42:53.840

--> 00:42:56.000 They're better if they've been involved in that, right? 00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:56.480 That's right. 00:42:56.639 --> 00:43:00.000 So kind of find their niche and get them, get them engaged. 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:01.119 I I think that's a good one. 00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:02.480 What was your second one, you think? 00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:02.960 What else? 00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:06.000 Oh, you know, I I don't I mean, there's a lot. 00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:17.360 I would say this may be this may be changing the subject a little bit, but I'd just say, like, you know, you the way to win, that the book that you wrote, I'm I can't wait to read it. 00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:18.480 I'm sure it's amazing. 00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:24.719 Um, but just kind of understanding that like, you know, we we all are wired to to win. 00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:25.119 Yeah. 00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:33.840 And I think being a Christian, and one of the messages that I I want to get out is that like, hey, hey, none of us are perfect. 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:38.880 In fact, throughout the Bible, Jesus uses the least dudes to like change the world. 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:39.840 That's so true. 00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:54.559 And and but but we still have it in us to to go compete, like to to go win, whether that's in in work or in the home in my home or in my job, or yeah, you know, if I'm playing cards, like yeah, you want to you wanna win. 00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:59.760 But I think you the the the idea that then the understanding that we win in the end. 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:00.719 Is amazing. 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:01.360 We win. 00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:01.760 Right? 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:02.239 We win. 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:03.440 We we've already won. 00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:04.880 We've and we've already won. 00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:07.920 But right now, while we're here, like there is an opponent. 00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:08.800 There is an opponent. 00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:10.480 And it's not what you talked about. 00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:16.480 You're 401k and and I need to have a better golf game and I need a better car and and a bigger house. 00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:18.239 Like the opponent is the devil. 00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:18.639 Exactly. 00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:26.320 In first Peter it says that the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for you for someone to devour. 00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:26.800 Right. 00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:27.199 Right? 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:28.239 At every turn. 00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:28.559 Right. 00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:38.960 Pride, anger, all the things that fear, insecurities, like that is what we're fighting against on a daily basis. 00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:43.039 And so I I think for for me, it's like, sure, I want to win. 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:44.400 Well, who am I fighting against? 00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:44.880 Right. 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:50.239 I'm not fighting against the other real estate company that got the deal that I wanted to go get. 00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:50.960 So good. 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:52.480 I mean, I I'd love to get it. 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:54.320 But and I'll compete. 00:44:54.639 --> 00:45:03.920 But my real enemy, my my real like day-to-day battle is with an opponent who's like trying to devour me. 00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:04.719 So true. 00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:10.960 It's not like a little um man in a red suit with a cool little pitchfork. 00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:13.119 Like that's not that's not what we're fighting against. 00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:15.519 We're fighting against we're fighting for our kids. 00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:16.079 We are. 00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:17.280 We're fighting for our families. 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:19.280 We're fighting for the eternity. 00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:20.079 Exactly. 00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:22.320 And and and that's the real battle. 00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:34.800 And and you know, so if you're isolated or if you if you just scroll on your phone all day, if there's no engagement, if there's no teaching and learning and understanding and growth all the time, then then then we're gonna you you're gonna lose. 00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:35.920 That's true. 00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:36.880 A lot. 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:37.599 Exactly. 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:37.920 Right? 00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:40.159 Yeah, I mean the Bible uses those languages. 00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:46.079 I love that the Bible, I I didn't want to be a pastor because I thought you had to you had to play to survive. 00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:47.920 I didn't know you could play to win, right? 00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:49.920 I I I'm not meaning that in a mean way. 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:56.239 I just hadn't seen, and and I'm but the Bible does give Paul said, I've I've fought the fight. 00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:57.920 I've I've finished the race. 00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:03.760 I've I've I've you know, he he he wasn't saying he was perfect, but he said, Look, I I completed. 00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.280 Winning is not that you never have losses. 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.400 Winning is not competing against someone else. 00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:20.639 It's ultimately what is winning according to scripture is an eternal mindset that you want to become the person God has called and created you to be. 00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:33.679 That you want to put your your full engagement with him and the people around you to to accomplish everything that he's called you to accomplish and be in him, right? 00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:41.360 It's it's it's it's running your race to win from an eternal perspective, which can include business. 00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:45.599 I mean, again, b marketplace, we work as unto the Lord, right? 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:47.760 I mean, I'm doing we're doing it to glorify him. 00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:50.800 And so I um I love that, man. 00:46:50.960 --> 00:47:03.920 I I love that, and and I think, you know, specifically also for men, I think men

get so many more inputs to win at stuff that matters, but doesn't ultimately matter. 00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:05.840 They just get the wrong scoreboard. 00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:08.480 And that's why, like Solomon, right? 00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:18.800 I mean, he had, I mean, this guy would have been today's multi-gazillionaire Hollywood celebrity, drink, food, party, money, women. 00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:23.360 And yet he sits there and says, This is all meaningless, you know. 00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:30.159 So the most miserable person is the person who gets what they think can ultimately fulfill them, only to find out it doesn't. 00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:31.599 It doesn't, you know. 00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:37.679 And so I think I think the question is is like, so so what do we what do we do if we like how do I do that? 00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:38.000 Right. 00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:51.280 Like what what yeah, you know, and and I I mean this is gonna sound very uh kindergarten, but it's but it's like man, if you're not if you're not reading your Bible every day, so good. 00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:53.360 There there that it's it's gonna be really hard. 00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:53.920 So good. 00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:55.119 You know, and that's a playbook. 00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:56.400 I'm preaching to myself. 00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:03.920 Like I getting in the word, yes, is is is that's that is your that is that's the that's your tools. 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:06.880 That's your yeah, that's your football to go throw touchdowns. 00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:09.360 That's your that's your that's your guide. 00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:12.079 That's like that's your connection to the Lord. 00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:13.360 And then and then prayer. 00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:15.280 Like read your Bible and pray. 00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:17.760 Like man, spend time in that. 00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:19.119 Like do it. 00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:20.320 Pray for your family, yeah. 00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:27.440 For the people at your work, pray for your kids, pray for like bring it all to the table. 00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:31.679 Peter says, like, cast all your cares on him, right? 00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:32.000 Right? 00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:35.440 All your anxieties, all your worries, all your fears, like talk to him. 00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:36.719 We have a direct line. 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:38.559 I think we sometimes forget about that. 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:39.840 You know, whatever. 00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:42.159 Like it, like, but that that's that's it. 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:46.800 Like that's that is what what we what that is the priority. 00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:47.519 Yeah, right. 00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:49.280 How am I gonna be a better dad? 00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:50.480 It's like Vince Lombardi. 00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:53.760 But like I need to, I need to pray and read my Bible. 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:55.760 Vince Lombardi, this is a football. 00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:56.079 Okay. 00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:58.639 It's like, hey, we gotta go back to blocking and tackling. 00:48:59.039 --> 00:48:59.679 I agree with you. 00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:05.679 I mean, if I get busy or travel and I miss that, like I can find myself losing patience. 00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:14.719 I can find myself, you know, you can tell when you're you when you're used to going to that source and you somehow kind of let it wane a little bit, you can you can tell. 00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:16.960 And that's that's home base, man. 00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:19.280 You know, you can't give what you don't don't have. 00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:21.599 You can't outwork something. 00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:29.599 You know, it's like just re read and study and ask questions and find people around you that that can can help you and pray with you. 00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:31.119 And yeah, what does this mean? 00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:32.400 Well, let's go figure it out. 00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:35.360 Like, like that is so powerful. 00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:40.880 Yeah, and that will that will that will like seep into everything else that you're doing in your life. 00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:41.920 Man, it's awesome. 00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:42.800 In a good way. 00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:43.920 Let's go good. 00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:52.320 Well, I want you to know I'm I'm you know, I I think about you as a dad, I'm cheering you on for just that that target and vision. 00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:54.320 And thank you for being who you are. 00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:56.159 Thank you for representing Christ. 00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:59.360 And you don't, you're not asking for that, you're doing it to honor God. 00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:06.320 But you know, just thank you for being somebody who has had the assignment you have, but still representing Christ. 00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:11.679 And we're gonna go uh and we're gonna actually go and try to encourage a bunch of men. 00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:13.039 That's gonna be exciting. 00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:14.639 So, man, thank you for being here. 00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:15.440 You bet, man. 00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:16.800 They'll probably encourage me. 00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:21.840 I wanted to personally say thank you for checking out the lead to win podcast. 00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:27.920 I love bringing this conversation to you, and I hope it adds value to you. 00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:33.119 If you wanted to do something to help the lead to win podcast, hit that like button. 00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:41.440 Even more importantly, hit the subscribe button and check out our next episode because we have some great ones coming up just for you.