Where Does Evil Actually Come From? | Michael Muccio의 전체 녹취록

--> 00:02:25.759 See You at the Top. So I bought it. When 37 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:29.039 I started reading Zig's book, he talked about success in 38 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:32.219 seven areas of life. And that got my attention, AJ, 39 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:37.860 because I only had success in making money and getting 40 00:02:37.939 --> 00:02:42.460 recognition in corporate America. But I certainly wasn't happy. My 41 00:02:42.500 --> 00:02:48.379 relationships were not so grand. Anyway, I saw that his 42 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:51.120 office was just 45 minutes away. I went to see him. 43 00:02:53.860 --> 00:02:56.870 humble and teachable and looking for the truth. And so 44 00:02:56.909 --> 00:02:59.590 he took me under his wing and I ended up 45 00:02:59.729 --> 00:03:02.949 being the person that God used to influence me, to 46 00:03:02.990 --> 00:03:06.210 bring me to a relationship with Christ. And then I 47 00:03:06.270 --> 00:03:10.539 started consulting with businesses. He would go to the big companies, 48 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:14.539 the big corporations, because they paid him $ 30, 000 an hour, 49 00:03:14.580 --> 00:03:17.879 where I would go to the smaller, medium-sized companies that 50 00:03:18.259 --> 00:03:21.030 couldn't afford Zig, I say, but they could afford Michael. 51 00:03:21.099 --> 00:03:24.919 And so I teach the concept's So that's the beginning 52 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:28.659 of my journey in the business arena. And then from there, 53 00:03:29.139 --> 00:03:33.280 I felt a calling into ministry and took that calling 54 00:03:33.340 --> 00:03:33.699 as well. 55 00:03:35.310 --> 00:03:41.550 Absolutely, absolutely. So today, how should people understand who is Michael? 56 00:03:41.729 --> 00:03:43.710 What is he trying to do? What is he trying 57 00:03:43.770 --> 00:03:46.270 to say with what he's saying, with what he's doing? 58 00:03:47.620 --> 00:03:51.090 You know, I'm trying to make an impact on the world. 59 00:03:51.150 --> 00:03:54.150 I think the world is searching for truth. I think 60 00:03:54.219 --> 00:03:59.090 people are looking for answers. Everybody wants to be successful. 61 00:03:59.629 --> 00:04:02.909 Many people have studied a little bit about the principles 62 00:04:02.990 --> 00:04:06.930 of success, but I want to teach that as well. 63 00:04:06.990 --> 00:04:10.689 But I also want to teach about the author of success, 64 00:04:10.810 --> 00:04:15.129 because I do think that there is a very detailed 65 00:04:15.250 --> 00:04:19.000 interest from God. He says, that every hair, Jesus says, 66 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:21.680 every hair in our head is numbered. And if that's 67 00:04:21.740 --> 00:04:26.240 the case, AJ, you're incredibly special to God, and so 68 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:30.449 is everybody else that's ever been created. So he has 69 00:04:30.569 --> 00:04:33.410 a plan, he's got a purpose, he's got a design, 70 00:04:34.029 --> 00:04:36.850 and it behooves us to get to know this God

71 00:04:37.370 --> 00:04:40.889 and let him live his life through us, because nobody 72 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:43.339 knows us better than our creator. 73 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:50.439 Absolutely, nobody knows us better than our creator let me 74 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:53.899 understand it this way for my audience michael you talked 75 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:58.040 about you know turning uh all those places more than 76 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:01.639 60 if i heard from red to green that was 77 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:05.560 one of your speciality in those days as a pastor 78 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:10.129 and as today also do you think that was easy 79 00:05:10.149 --> 00:05:14.550 or turning people from red to green to make them 80 00:05:14.610 --> 00:05:18.509 successful you know be be the person that God finds 81 00:05:18.569 --> 00:05:22.069 them so special? Which one is easy? How would you 82 00:05:22.110 --> 00:05:24.629 like us to understand about that, Michael? 83 00:05:25.889 --> 00:05:29.689 Well, I do think that making money is easy if 84 00:05:29.730 --> 00:05:32.180 you want to work, if you want to work hard. 85 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:37.000 And I think there's a certain logic to success and 86 00:05:37.100 --> 00:05:41.139 to the success in our career, success in making money. 87 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:45.819 And if you follow some steps, For example, if you're 88 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:48.699 trying to market your products, you're trying to sell your products, 89 00:05:49.220 --> 00:05:54.649 when you make a certain number of contacts, you're going 90 00:05:54.689 --> 00:05:57.730 to get a certain amount of people that want your product. 91 00:05:58.110 --> 00:06:02.449 The problem is, is people, maybe they'll try making 20 contacts, 92 00:06:02.509 --> 00:06:05.029 they get no results, and then they throw in the towel. 93 00:06:05.500 --> 00:06:09.139 But sometimes you make 20 contacts and then you don't 94 00:06:09.180 --> 00:06:11.500 get any response, but then you get two in a row. 95 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:13.730 So you have to kind of make up your mind 96 00:06:13.750 --> 00:06:17.610 that you're going to go after a goal, go after 97 00:06:17.649 --> 00:06:22.189 an objective. And certainly you can improve your presentation along 98 00:06:22.230 --> 00:06:25.550 the way, but there is a certain logic. There is 99 00:06:25.610 --> 00:06:30.350 a mathematical equation to the making of money and to success. 100 00:06:30.490 --> 00:06:32.970 And so I do think, and I think that God 101 00:06:33.529 --> 00:06:37.899 is interested in that. However, he also says you can 102 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:40.930 gain the whole world and lose your soul. And I 103 00:06:40.990 --> 00:06:42.990 was that way when I was making a lot of 104 00:06:43.050 --> 00:06:47.230 money in business, getting all that recognition, but I didn't 105 00:06:47.329 --> 00:06:50.709 have a connection with God where Zik talked about his 106 00:06:50.750 --> 00:06:54.040

relationship with God, like he knew him personally. And he 107 00:06:54.060 --> 00:06:56.579 was certainly making a lot more money than I was. 108 00:06:56.600 --> 00:06:59.300 When you get paid $ 30, 000 an hour, and then eventually 109 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:07.170 later on $ 70, 000 an hour. I mean, that's, you're not starving, 110 00:07:07.209 --> 00:07:10.050 that's for sure. And that was 25 years ago, and 111 00:07:10.089 --> 00:07:12.370 that was a lot more money than it is today. 112 00:07:12.449 --> 00:07:15.449 But there's more to life than the earning of money, 113 00:07:15.730 --> 00:07:18.350 but yet it is very important. And I think that 114 00:07:18.389 --> 00:07:21.120 God is interested in both areas of our lives. 115 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:28.779 Absolutely, absolutely. Isn't it intriguing, someone like Zig Ziglar, top salesman, 116 00:07:28.899 --> 00:07:32.060 somebody who talks about, you know, getting so much of money. 117 00:07:32.579 --> 00:07:36.439 He made you understand, perhaps, if I heard you correctly, 118 00:07:36.930 --> 00:07:41.449 more about God. How did that happen? Was it that 119 00:07:42.009 --> 00:07:46.290 he was instrumental or you opened your heart to God 120 00:07:46.430 --> 00:07:48.790 at that point? As you said, you bought the Bible. 121 00:07:49.110 --> 00:07:51.810 You also bought his book. You don't see you at 122 00:07:51.850 --> 00:07:52.189 the top. 123 00:07:52.750 --> 00:07:56.470 Right. That's a great question. That's a very perceptive question, too. 124 00:07:57.569 --> 00:08:02.769 I started searching online. But the book by Zig came 125 00:08:02.810 --> 00:08:04.870 at the same time as the Bible. So there I'm 126 00:08:04.930 --> 00:08:07.990 reading the Bible, reading in the Gospel of John, and 127 00:08:08.029 --> 00:08:11.589 I'm falling in love with this character, Jesus, and how 128 00:08:11.649 --> 00:08:14.170 he would answer a question with a question. And he 129 00:08:14.629 --> 00:08:17.759 seemed so wise and so bold, but yet so loving 130 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:22.720 and compassionate. But then when I met Zig, he told 131 00:08:22.779 --> 00:08:25.879 me his story and how he had come to Christ. 132 00:08:26.540 --> 00:08:30.060 And that put like there was, now there was skin everywhere. 133 00:08:30.459 --> 00:08:33.750 on a person that was telling me that their relationship 134 00:08:33.789 --> 00:08:37.309 with God was very real and that God was interested 135 00:08:37.409 --> 00:08:41.309 in me. And so that got my attention. So it was, 136 00:08:41.929 --> 00:08:46.240 God used Zig to actually bring me to Christ, but 137 00:08:46.299 --> 00:08:49.679 there was also some searching going on within me. And 138 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:52.899 I think what Zig recognized is here's a guy that 139 00:08:52.980 --> 00:08:57.019 is searching. He's humble, he's teachable, and he's certainly worth 140 00:08:57.179 --> 00:08:59.909 my extra attention. So here, And as I say, he's 141 00:08:59.950 --> 00:09:03.990 a guy that's making between $ 30, 000 and $ 70, 000 an hour. 142 00:09:04.409 --> 00:09:07.460 I met him, a complete stranger, invited me into his 143 00:09:07.580 --> 00:09:11.580 office and spent almost a full hour with me talking 144 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:15.759 to this complete stranger. So Zig, he was very, very real. 145 00:09:15.779 --> 00:09:20.159 He was genuine. And he realized that there's more important 146 00:09:20.179 --> 00:09:23.399 things to life than just success and making money. And 147 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:27.000 that's also, where are we going to spend eternity? What's 148 00:09:27.019 --> 00:09:29.669 going to happen when this life is over? And so 149 00:09:29.690 --> 00:09:34.100 I thank God that he, that God brought him into 150 00:09:34.129 --> 00:09:36.559 my life because I had so much respect for him 151 00:09:37.100 --> 00:09:39.500 and I was able to receive from him, whereas maybe 152 00:09:40.340 --> 00:09:42.600 another person I wouldn't have been as open to. 153 00:09:44.539 --> 00:09:48.450 Absolutely. Absolutely. Michael, let me understand it this way for 154 00:09:48.490 --> 00:09:52.809 my audience. You talk about success. People talk about success. 155 00:09:52.850 --> 00:09:56.009 They want to achieve success in whatever that is there 156 00:09:56.370 --> 00:09:59.809 in their mind. Mostly it's about money you talk about. 157 00:09:59.919 --> 00:10:05.440 fulfilling their potential in every area of their life how 158 00:10:05.500 --> 00:10:08.799 should are these two things the same thing which one 159 00:10:08.860 --> 00:10:12.649 is bug bigger is it success is it fulfilling your 160 00:10:12.710 --> 00:10:16.990 potential in many areas of your life which helps you 161 00:10:17.429 --> 00:10:22.049 reach that that level of success or fulfillment or potential? 162 00:10:22.470 --> 00:10:25.850 Is it the Bible? Is it Zig Ziglar's book? Or 163 00:10:25.929 --> 00:10:28.610 is it, you know, in today's time, it's a fast 164 00:10:28.649 --> 00:10:32.509 wave movement world, direct relationship with God. 165 00:10:33.970 --> 00:10:37.389 Well, I believe that people can be successful without God 166 00:10:37.429 --> 00:10:39.450 in the center of their life. I think that that's 167 00:10:39.529 --> 00:10:46.580 proven every day. Many people practice the principles of the Bible, honesty, integrity, uh, 168 00:10:47.870 --> 00:10:52.429 working smart, working hard, but we're also working smart, having faith, 169 00:10:53.009 --> 00:10:58.220 having a certain joy, loving your work, loving people, caring 170 00:10:58.269 --> 00:11:02.980 about people. So there's biblical principles that if you practice 171 00:11:03.019 --> 00:11:07.240 those principles, even if you don't know, have a personal 172 00:11:07.259 --> 00:11:11.259 relationship with God, you can be successful. But Zig's point 173 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:16.049 and mine today as well is what's the point of 174 00:11:16.110 -->

00:11:20.429 gaining the whole world and succeeding externally, succeeding in your 175 00:11:20.470 --> 00:11:24.710 finances and your career, but not having your spiritual life, 176 00:11:24.789 --> 00:11:27.990 not having that peace of mind of knowing where you're 177 00:11:28.009 --> 00:11:30.850 going to spend eternity or not having a good, loving 178 00:11:30.889 --> 00:11:35.779 relationship with your wife, with your family, or not having 179 00:11:35.860 --> 00:11:40.080 taken care of your health. So the principles of success, AJ, 180 00:11:41.259 --> 00:11:44.799 they work in every area of life if they're applied. 181 00:11:46.730 --> 00:11:50.769 Absolutely. So why is it that we are not successful? 182 00:11:50.909 --> 00:11:53.629 Is it we are less talented? Is it we are 183 00:11:53.690 --> 00:11:56.700 not moving on the right path? Is it that God 184 00:11:56.750 --> 00:11:59.980 is not with us? We think God is always with us. 185 00:12:00.460 --> 00:12:04.580 Why is it then we are still not successful? Help 186 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:07.899 us understand. If anyone wants to understand that I'm working 187 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:10.639 so hard, I think so well, I think about the 188 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:14.860 good of the world, still I am having to struggle. 189 00:12:16.419 --> 00:12:19.950 Well, I think that's going to vary based on the person. 190 00:12:19.990 --> 00:12:24.090 There are some people that are banging around in their 191 00:12:24.169 --> 00:12:27.210 life and they're not really full. They're not doing the 192 00:12:27.269 --> 00:12:29.789 thing that they're good at. They're doing something maybe that 193 00:12:29.830 --> 00:12:32.929 they want to do or feel like they have to do, 194 00:12:33.539 --> 00:12:37.320 but they're not really passionate about their work. And so 195 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:41.620 that could be one reason. Another reason is we live 196 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:45.210 in a fast-paced world, in a instant world where people 197 00:12:45.299 --> 00:12:50.730 want want things quickly. And in my latest book, Evil's 198 00:12:50.779 --> 00:12:53.289 First Breath, I point out the fact that there is 199 00:12:53.549 --> 00:12:57.190 evil in the world, and that evil is the opposite 200 00:12:57.830 --> 00:13:01.850 of that which is good and wholesome. So the opposite 201 00:13:01.870 --> 00:13:05.309 of love is going to be a hatred or a fear. 202 00:13:06.450 --> 00:13:09.200 People worry. That's a negative force. So there's a lot 203 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:14.259 of negativity that needs to be overcome if we want 204 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:18.070 to be successful and Sometimes understanding the origin or the 205 00:13:18.110 --> 00:13:23.370 beginning of where that evil started is really paramount to 206 00:13:23.490 --> 00:13:25.870 us being able to overcome it. So that's kind of 207 00:13:25.909 --> 00:13:27.970 why I wrote, and Zig had taught me years ago, 208 00:13:28.409 --> 00:13:30.120 that you go to the head with a point, to 209 00:13:30.129 --> 00:13:33.100 the heart with a story. So here was a story 210 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.100 that I felt that God gave me that's based on 211 00:13:37.379 --> 00:13:40.139 a biblical text. So it's, I wrote it as a 212 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:44.389 novel based on a true story. but it helps people 213 00:13:44.450 --> 00:13:49.409 to picture themselves, step inside that novel, and begin to see, okay, 214 00:13:49.889 --> 00:13:53.710 where is evil showing up in my life? Sometimes you 215 00:13:54.029 --> 00:13:56.779 have to overcome the evil in order to let in 216 00:13:56.820 --> 00:13:57.299 the good. 217 00:13:59.700 --> 00:14:03.679 Absolutely, absolutely. We'll come to the book also specifically, but 218 00:14:03.740 --> 00:14:10.570 talking of evil. In today's time, how should one understand evil? 219 00:14:10.590 --> 00:14:15.720 Does my understanding opponent should we consider them as evil 220 00:14:16.789 --> 00:14:20.100 anyone who does not agree to my point of view 221 00:14:20.500 --> 00:14:25.539 should we consider them as evil that's many a times 222 00:14:25.580 --> 00:14:29.399 you see getting projected in in today's time and also 223 00:14:29.460 --> 00:14:34.590 i'm sometimes wonder you know sometimes in today's time some 224 00:14:34.769 --> 00:14:38.230 many people say we got to find god even though 225 00:14:38.250 --> 00:14:41.309 many people also say that god is always with me 226 00:14:41.350 --> 00:14:45.049 but Many a times it's about finding God. But looks 227 00:14:45.129 --> 00:14:48.850 like evil is more approachable. Everywhere you find that evil 228 00:14:49.009 --> 00:14:53.029 is around you, perhaps also within you. Help us understand 229 00:14:53.100 --> 00:14:57.840 from these perspectives of, you know, evil. How should we 230 00:14:57.940 --> 00:15:00.139 understand evil in today's time? 231 00:15:01.299 --> 00:15:05.519 Another very perceptive question, AJ. I appreciate the spirit and 232 00:15:05.539 --> 00:15:09.419 the tone of the question as well. I don't believe 233 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:12.960 that my opponent... or the person I'm competing with to 234 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:17.059 get a business account or the person that I am, 235 00:15:17.259 --> 00:15:22.509 maybe they have their philosophical beliefs and their religious beliefs 236 00:15:22.590 --> 00:15:25.789 and I have my beliefs that are different than theirs. Well, 237 00:15:25.809 --> 00:15:30.529 they're certainly not my opponent and I'm not competing with them. 238 00:15:31.049 --> 00:15:35.559 In fact, I have a responsibility from Jesus, my Lord 239 00:15:35.620 --> 00:15:40.399 and my God to love that person and embrace them, 240 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:44.220 accept them like they are. Now, we would both be 241 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:49.570 unnecessary if they didn't believe enough in their view to 242 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:53.909 want to have some degree of effort to convince or 243

00:15:53.970 --> 00:15:56.750 persuade me. And I would be the same way. I 244 00:15:57.690 --> 00:16:01.309 think there is a right, there is a wrong, there 245 00:16:01.429 --> 00:16:04.190 is a lesser of two evils, that kind of a thing. 246 00:16:04.549 --> 00:16:07.309 So I think I need to love people enough to 247 00:16:07.389 --> 00:16:11.360 care about listening to their point of view, and then 248 00:16:11.899 --> 00:16:16.440 pointing out maybe a variant point of view for the 249 00:16:16.500 --> 00:16:20.500 sake of their growth, just like hopefully I will grow 250 00:16:20.970 --> 00:16:23.029 as I listen to their point of view. So people 251 00:16:23.570 --> 00:16:27.750 are not, I'm not competing with people in the sense, 252 00:16:27.809 --> 00:16:30.769 in fact, there is a Bible text that says that 253 00:16:30.850 --> 00:16:35.330 we wrestle not against flesh and blood, in other words, 254 00:16:35.350 --> 00:16:39.360 against people, but against principalities and powers and evil spirits. 255 00:16:39.980 --> 00:16:43.399 So the darkness, like you said, we can be more 256 00:16:43.460 --> 00:16:47.039 easily influenced by it because of just the negative psychic 257 00:16:47.179 --> 00:16:50.370 energy in the world. The Bible says we have three enemies, 258 00:16:50.470 --> 00:16:55.330 the world, our own flesh, our habitual thought patterns that 259 00:16:55.769 --> 00:16:59.490 we've kind of trained ourselves sometimes to have a negative bias. 260 00:17:00.230 --> 00:17:04.710 And then there is these the spirit beings that are, 261 00:17:04.730 --> 00:17:08.000 it's kind of, I say that as the ringmaster or 262 00:17:08.019 --> 00:17:10.700 the leader that uses the world and the flesh to 263 00:17:10.819 --> 00:17:16.220 influence us. So that's the true enemy. And that enemy 264 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:21.339 is overcome in the area of prayer and meditation, recognition 265 00:17:21.900 --> 00:17:26.039 that God has given me the authority and the power 266 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:29.970 to deal with those evil spirits. just like he's given 267 00:17:30.029 --> 00:17:33.630 me the responsibility and the power to deal with my 268 00:17:33.730 --> 00:17:39.210 own fleshly habitual patterns, habits and idiosyncrasies and so forth, 269 00:17:39.930 --> 00:17:43.609 just like he's given me the ability to deflect the 270 00:17:43.650 --> 00:17:48.259 negative psychic energy of the world and instead invite in 271 00:17:48.730 --> 00:17:51.460 that which is of joy and gratitude and love and 272 00:17:51.500 --> 00:17:51.920 so forth. 273 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:56.880 Absolutely. And that brings me to your book itself, Evil's 274 00:17:57.019 --> 00:17:57.400 First Case. 275 00:17:57.839 --> 00:17:58.079 Breath? 276 00:17:58.140 --> 00:18:02.250 How should one understand about evil people understand it as 277 00:18:02.309 --> 00:18:05.750 per their culture, as per their understanding of things? But 278 00:18:05.910 --> 00:18:10.250 evil's first breath, what is it that you mean by 279 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:13.940 your understanding? What is it that you want people to 280 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:16.420 understand by that? And what's in your book? 281 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:22.630 Okay. Well, it started before man was ever created, according 282 00:18:22.670 --> 00:18:25.910 to the biblical account. And this was the greatest of 283 00:18:26.210 --> 00:18:30.089 all created beings, the most perfect being God had ever created. 284 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:33.619 He was perfect in his musical ability, perfect in beauty, 285 00:18:34.059 --> 00:18:37.960 perfect in his ability as a warrior. Lucifer was his name, 286 00:18:38.059 --> 00:18:41.740 and he was the height of God's creation. But instead 287 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:45.640 of him being grateful for his exalted position as the 288 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:49.599 leader of all of the angels under the authority of God, 289 00:18:50.500 --> 00:18:55.119 instead of being grateful for that and embracing that position, Instead, 290 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:58.029 he wanted the one thing A.J. he didn't have, and 291 00:18:58.069 --> 00:19:00.869 that was the worship and the adoration of all the 292 00:19:00.930 --> 00:19:05.869 other angels. So he became exalted and said, I will 293 00:19:05.930 --> 00:19:09.190 exalt my throne above the throne of God. That's right 294 00:19:09.230 --> 00:19:13.049 there in the book of Isaiah. Well, then the whole 295 00:19:13.130 --> 00:19:16.450 storyline unfolds. What I saw, I had seen a vision 296 00:19:16.450 --> 00:19:20.970 35 years earlier, where of all of this unfolding in 297 00:19:20.990 --> 00:19:27.180 this angelic warfare between between Michael, one of the archangels, 298 00:19:27.259 --> 00:19:30.519 and Lucifer, another one of the archangels, and then the 299 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:34.619 angels that chose to be loyal to God, and the 300 00:19:34.769 --> 00:19:39.210 angels that were rebelling against God. But the lessons that 301 00:19:39.269 --> 00:19:42.750 are learned throughout that book is what's such an interesting journey, 302 00:19:42.789 --> 00:19:48.430 because we face some of those same temptations today as 303 00:19:48.549 --> 00:19:51.000 they face there. So if we look, if we go 304 00:19:51.019 --> 00:19:55.380 back using first principle thinking, first principle thinking is like 305 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:59.599 a great chess player. He studies the first move, three 306 00:19:59.660 --> 00:20:01.539 moves of the game, and then he makes all of 307 00:20:01.579 --> 00:20:05.480 his moves based on the first initial first principle moves 308 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:08.960 of the game. Whereas a novice like me, AJ, I'll 309 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:13.690 just play whatever seems to be the best next move. Well, 310 00:20:13.730 --> 00:20:16.990 the master beats me every time because he's using first 311 00:20:17.049 --> 00:20:20.589 principle thinking. And so the concept is you go back

312 00:20:20.630 --> 00:20:23.490 to the beginning. Where did something begin? And using first 313 00:20:23.529 --> 00:20:27.700 principle thinking, then you're better able to understand how to 314 00:20:27.859 --> 00:20:30.160 recognize it in your own life. And in the way 315 00:20:30.180 --> 00:20:33.380 you're going to recognize it, the first, the evil's first 316 00:20:33.579 --> 00:20:38.480 breath was pride. That was there in the title. What 317 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:41.359 was the first breath of evil? It was pride. And 318 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:44.980 then it developed. And then pride has many brothers and 319 00:20:45.059 --> 00:20:52.890 sisters from jealousy to fear to bitterness and so forth. 320 00:20:54.869 --> 00:20:59.380 Absolutely. Absolutely, Michael. And pardon me if I'm incorrect in 321 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:02.289 any of the things that I'm going to say. You 322 00:21:02.309 --> 00:21:05.450 talked about Lucifer. I'm not an expert on him. I 323 00:21:05.490 --> 00:21:08.890 know about the name and all these things. Looking from 324 00:21:08.990 --> 00:21:14.289 that perspective, you know, from that level, how do you 325 00:21:15.029 --> 00:21:19.609 want us to look at today's scenario? Earlier, it was one. 326 00:21:20.190 --> 00:21:23.329 Then you talked about others. But today, if you see, 327 00:21:23.970 --> 00:21:27.779 we humans have become so wobbly. A little bit of power, 328 00:21:28.140 --> 00:21:32.220 you forget God. A little bit of comfort. We forget gratitude. 329 00:21:32.740 --> 00:21:37.299 A little bit of anything that makes us special. Maybe 330 00:21:37.339 --> 00:21:41.490 bestowed everything by God. You know, for whatever reasons, we 331 00:21:41.549 --> 00:21:45.650 think we are the biggest, you know, brain, brainy person 332 00:21:45.690 --> 00:21:49.150 of this. We are the smartest creature ever made by God. 333 00:21:49.470 --> 00:21:53.309 And we forget about everything. Even in every other aspect 334 00:21:53.329 --> 00:21:56.009 of life, if you see people who have got the, 335 00:21:56.490 --> 00:22:00.480 you know, financial power. They seem to be looking like, 336 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:04.569 you know, controlling things or want to control things forever. 337 00:22:04.829 --> 00:22:08.589 You talk about many industrial complexes. You talk about the 338 00:22:09.109 --> 00:22:13.450 AI leader balance. There is whole data center and chips 339 00:22:13.529 --> 00:22:17.059 and all those things. Looks like the general person, you know, 340 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:20.759 who is almost like an angel to God in that sense. 341 00:22:20.819 --> 00:22:23.960 Closeness to God is being crushed by some of the 342 00:22:24.059 --> 00:22:28.259 other ones who have been given special powers. powers in 343 00:22:28.299 --> 00:22:32.339 the form of whatever they have gained. Does it look 344 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:37.700 like that Lucifer, it has overgrown into many, many of 345 00:22:37.779 --> 00:22:41.119

its own form in today's time and humanity is in 346 00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:45.869 a much more deeper problem with regards to understanding about evil? 347 00:22:46.170 --> 00:22:48.650 Or do you think, you know, we are in for 348 00:22:48.730 --> 00:22:51.470 better times? How would you want? Or is it the 349 00:22:51.609 --> 00:22:54.910 end times? Again, I'm not a perfect, I don't understand 350 00:22:54.970 --> 00:22:58.589 that perfectly, but having heard about it, do you think 351 00:22:58.630 --> 00:23:00.950 we are closer to the end times or within the 352 00:23:01.009 --> 00:23:01.849 end times itself? 353 00:23:02.910 --> 00:23:06.390 Well, we probably are, but I'm like you, AJ. I 354 00:23:06.690 --> 00:23:10.390 don't know the time or the hour that that's going 355 00:23:10.430 --> 00:23:14.839 to occur, but I do have a responsibility that according 356 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:18.700 to the New Testament, I am supposed to occupy until 357 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:22.680 he comes, until there's that second coming of Christ. And 358 00:23:22.700 --> 00:23:27.519 to occupy means to to be diligent, to love people, 359 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:35.869 to pray, to extend gratitude and looking for what is 360 00:23:35.950 --> 00:23:39.289 best for the world and being the best person that 361 00:23:39.349 --> 00:23:43.450 Michael can be to contribute to that. And so, and 362 00:23:43.490 --> 00:23:46.730 as far as how we would see Lucifer and the 363 00:23:46.769 --> 00:23:50.309 role he plays today, well, in that heavenly warfare, as 364 00:23:50.369 --> 00:23:53.859 you read through and you see in evil's first breath, 365 00:23:54.410 --> 00:24:00.269 the storyline of it, eventually Lucifer becomes Satan or the 366 00:24:00.309 --> 00:24:02.549 Bible talks about the God of this world. And that's 367 00:24:02.589 --> 00:24:07.250 why there's so much negative psychic energy. And so many 368 00:24:07.309 --> 00:24:11.680 people have got this negativity bias is because of the 369 00:24:11.740 --> 00:24:15.900 influence that he is. But according to the Bible, we 370 00:24:15.980 --> 00:24:19.980 actually have authority over the devil. And so we want 371 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:23.079 to be the opposite of the way he functions. And 372 00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:28.329 he chose pride. Michael instead should choose humility. And that 373 00:24:28.369 --> 00:24:31.990 would mean that I am going to cast my cares 374 00:24:32.299 --> 00:24:36.880 upon the Lord and trust God to come and live 375 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:39.079 his life through me, which is going to be living 376 00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:43.579 a life of love and joy and gratitude and looking 377 00:24:43.660 --> 00:24:47.890 at what's best. And you mentioned even the cutthroat area 378 00:24:47.910 --> 00:24:52.029 of business. My first book is America's Battle for Free 379 00:24:52.069 --> 00:24:55.329 Enterprise because I think We've had the problem that we've 380 00:24:55.369 --> 00:24:58.670 struggled with as a country, and that is you have 381 00:24:58.710 --> 00:25:03.170 a couple of businesses that maybe they became great businesses 382 00:25:03.569 --> 00:25:06.670 because of the free enterprise system, and they were competing 383 00:25:06.690 --> 00:25:09.650 with other businesses, and then the cream went to the top. 384 00:25:10.259 --> 00:25:13.059 But then once they get there, it's like they want 385 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:16.640 to control the rest of the competition. They don't want 386 00:25:16.700 --> 00:25:19.279 any new businesses coming in and nipping at their heels, 387 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:23.400 whereas the opposite is what we should want. We would 388 00:25:23.460 --> 00:25:27.190 want that competition and for there to be freedom for 389 00:25:27.230 --> 00:25:30.569 that new entrepreneur to rise up and have that new 390 00:25:30.710 --> 00:25:33.650 idea that may end up taking some of their market share. 391 00:25:34.029 --> 00:25:37.630 But that person that now is at the top needs 392 00:25:37.690 --> 00:25:40.230 to realize, well, they started down there and they should 393 00:25:40.289 --> 00:25:45.099 have a little bit of interest in their remaining a 394 00:25:45.259 --> 00:25:50.200 freedom so that, I think you said it well when 395 00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:54.049 you said people begin to believe, I'll say it this way, 396 00:25:54.069 --> 00:25:57.109 they begin to believe their own press clippings. They begin 397 00:25:57.150 --> 00:25:59.970 to think of themselves more highly than they ought to think. 398 00:26:00.470 --> 00:26:05.099 They think of themselves as God Jr. instead of realizing, 399 00:26:05.539 --> 00:26:10.460 taking a more humble road and respecting the rights and 400 00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:12.279 loving other people and so forth. 401 00:26:14.140 --> 00:26:17.740 Absolutely, absolutely. There's so much to learn about all this 402 00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:20.069 from you, Michael, and I'm sure a lot of people 403 00:26:20.490 --> 00:26:24.089 would want to connect with you, learn more about you, 404 00:26:24.190 --> 00:26:26.619 learn from your book, what's the best way for them 405 00:26:26.900 --> 00:26:27.359 to do so? 406 00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:32.460 I believe going on Amazon because Amazon is where 70, 407 00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:34.960 75% of the books are sold in our country. They're 408 00:26:34.980 --> 00:26:38.839 available at other book distributors, but for people in India 409 00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:41.819 and in all other countries where they don't have access 410 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:46.809 to Amazon overnight, just go there. You can order the e-book. 411 00:26:47.230 --> 00:26:49.630 I put it at a very inexpensive price so that 412 00:26:49.670 --> 00:26:51.410 it would, because I do a lot of trips around 413 00:26:51.430 --> 00:26:55.470 the globe, and so it's just $ 6. 99 for people that 414 00:26:55.509 --> 00:26:58.250 can download it instantly, or they can get the audio book. 415 00:26:59.769 --> 00:27:02.970 It's unabridged audio that I'm actually reading the book, and 416 00:27:03.059 --> 00:27:08.099 that's available at Amazon. That's where you would purchase the book. 417 00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:12.680 But I believe in over-delivering, AJ, so my website, which 418 00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:18.190 is just a landing page for the book, evilsfirstbreath.com, if 419 00:27:18.230 --> 00:27:21.549 they go there, there's what, what have 30 other people have, 420 00:27:21.789 --> 00:27:24.380 have had to say about the book. There's also another, 421 00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:28.700 another 30 people at Amazon that have, that have commented 422 00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:31.519 on the book, but, and then there's several other interviews 423 00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:34.059 that are there that they can, they can listen to 424 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:36.740 and learn more. There's a lots of my, my whole 425 00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:41.069 website is loaded with free resources. I, so I over deliver. 426 00:27:41.170 --> 00:27:43.029 I want to give people a chance. I've got like 427 00:27:43.029 --> 00:27:47.490 35 minute messages with thorough PDF of notes and, You 428 00:27:47.509 --> 00:27:51.970 can click up above on other books and hear other 429 00:27:52.009 --> 00:27:58.579 messages on the Miracle Exchange or America's Battle for Free 430 00:27:58.619 --> 00:28:02.150 Enterprise and then click under media. Just hundreds and hundreds of, 431 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:06.359 I should say, dozens of messages that are available for free. 432 00:28:08.140 --> 00:28:11.220 Wonderful. With this, it's set up on this very special 433 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.710 edition of the KJ Business and Money Live. Thank you 434 00:28:14.769 --> 00:28:27.900 so much indeed for joining us. Thank you.