Episode 286 - Vibe Coding, Canvas, & Bidets의 전체 녹취록

Google account and, uh, uh, 03:54.109 --> 03:55.936 we'll see how this goes. 03:57.010 --> 03:57.635 Well, Chris, do you want 03:58.135 --> 04:00.152 to hit our bidet sponsor for the week? 04:00.616 --> 04:02.267 Yeah, I, I suppose 04:02.379 --> 04:05.525 that will be a good Uh, flow into 04:05.590 --> 04:09.125 the sponsor. Uh, IncidentIQ, a proud 04:09.625 --> 04:13.093 sponsor of the K-12 Tech Talk podcast. Uh, and on Thursday, 04:13.286 --> 04:16.628 October 15th, uh, I will be doing a webinar with them 04:16.660 --> 04:20.822 on overcoming skepticism, but talking about AI's place within 04:20.998 --> 04:24.774 K-12 IT operations. So looking forward to that. Uh, but check out 04:24.790 --> 04:28.100 IncidentIQ, incidentiq.com, and get going on that webinar. 04:28.148 --> 04:29.659 I'll put a link to that in the podcast description. 04:30.172 --> 04:31.999 If IncidentIQ won't label— 04:32.159 --> 04:35.203 won't brand a bidet, we know 04:35.219 --> 04:35.988 Fortinet will. 04:37.062 --> 04:37.799 All day. Forti— 04:38.343 --> 04:38.904 Forti-bidet? 04:39.385 --> 04:39.865 Forti-day? 04:41.003 --> 04:41.948 It hits right. 04:42.253 --> 04:42.509 Yeah. 04:43.134 --> 04:43.871 No, no. 04:44.336 --> 04:45.665 That's the slogan. 04:45.810 --> 04:47.957 It hits right. 04:48.678 --> 04:48.982 Man, 04:48.998 --> 04:51.770 that was good. That was really good. 04:52.347 --> 04:54.814 Anyway, Mark, do you have some news for us? 04:54.990 --> 04:55.663 Yeah, anything that 04:56.163 --> 04:58.419 moves us away from Josh talking about a bidet again. 04:58.740 --> 04:58.756 Oh, 04:58.948 --> 05:00.471 it's gonna come back. 05:00.920 --> 05:02.058 That's also what the bidet 05:02.074 --> 05:05.665 slogan is. All right, the Department of Education has released some new 05:05.729 --> 05:08.951 guidance on a topic I haven't heard about for a long time, but I'm— I, 05:09.255 --> 05:12.686 I think it's very timely with the elections coming up. Uh, the guidance to— Is 05:13.186 --> 05:16.453 it AI? No, no, no. The guidance to educational 05:16.565 --> 05:20.220 institutions on swatting threats. As we approach 05:20.573 --> 05:23.827 the election season, we know that many schools are hosting, 05:24.243 --> 05:27.802 uh, elections and polling locations. And so the Department of Education and the 05:28.302 --> 05:31.924 Department of Justice have released guidance to, to schools about about threat of swatting 05:32.277 --> 05:35.248 for your school districts. I've been through a situation like this where we had a 05:35.748 --> 05:39.423 school that was swatted, and it's an absolutely traumatizing event to go 05:39.923 --> 05:44.272 through. Luckily, at this point, many, many law enforcement agencies are familiar 05:44.481 --> 05:48.126 with this kind of threat, and they're familiar with how it can upend the school 05:48.174 --> 05:51.916 day. So that being said, if you ever receive 05:52.028 --> 05:56.091 a fake threat, or if the police receive a fake threat and 05:56.203 --> 06:00.282 they have to send in an emergency response, it can be a very traumatizing experience 06:00.782 --> 06:04.386 for a school district. We'll link in the show notes the, the guidance to education 06:04.886 --> 06:08.119 institutions on swatting threats. But I would say the biggest takeaway is 06:08.167 --> 06:11.677 to just make sure that people are aware that fake threats do exist and 06:12.177 --> 06:14.625 to have a plan in place for whether or not you get a threat and 06:14.721 --> 06:15.666 what you need to do about it. 06:16.644 --> 06:18.374 Mark, were, in Boston, 06:18.406 --> 06:21.435 were your schools polling places? Yeah. 06:21.691 --> 06:21.868 Yeah, 06:21.932 --> 06:22.188 they are. 06:22.316 --> 06:25.040 They still are. And it's, I've gotta say, 06:25.136 --> 06:28.405 it's, it's kind of a controversial thing because they don't close on Election Day. 06:28.918 --> 06:32.609 See, okay, interesting. Not all schools do here. My wife's district 06:32.674 --> 06:34.712 closes, uh, they typically have a PD day. 06:35.386 --> 06:35.578 Yeah. 06:36.204 --> 06:39.654 But my district does not close, but where we 06:40.154 --> 06:43.602 do the election is in like a whole wing away 06:43.666 --> 06:47.036 from instructional areas, so we're able to lock that down a little bit and 06:47.536 --> 06:47.919 segregate it off. 06:48.481 --> 06:48.721 Yeah. 06:49.283 --> 06:51.016 But yeah, districts or buildings 06:51.048 --> 06:54.739 that can't do that, I don't know how you allow the general public in for 06:55.239 --> 06:56.920 voting and Not cancel school. 06:58.392 --> 06:59.120 Yeah, a lot 06:59.620 --> 07:02.678 of districts around the area have established Election Day as a, 07:02.904 --> 07:06.291 as a PD day. So in fact, I've gotten like 5 or 6 requests to 07:06.791 --> 07:09.392 go to school districts to do professional development on that, that same day, 07:09.906 --> 07:12.718 uh, which is cool to see that they're, they're, they're taking advantage of it. 07:12.814 --> 07:16.324 But yeah, it is, at least in my home district, it is an open 07:16.437 --> 07:20.439 school day. So, uh, you have a lot of precarious situations 07:20.471 --> 07:21.585 and every building's a little bit different. 07:22.124 --> 07:22.658 What else you got? 07:23.159 --> 07:23.790 Next up, we have 07:24.048 --> 07:28.010 an article, a research article from the Brookings Institute about— it's 07:28.510 --> 07:32.036 called A Year Later, What Teens Tell Us About School Cell Phone Bans. 07:32.488 --> 07:34.963 Let me take a pause before we go into this one. You guys have cell 07:34.979 --> 07:36.111 phone bans in your schools, right? 07:36.661 --> 07:37.259 Yep. We do. 07:38.562 --> 07:41.782 What is the response or do you know what the response is from 07:41.913 --> 07:42.861 the students themselves? 07:44.783 --> 07:45.130 I don't know 07:45.630 --> 07:47.183 that we've— that's a really good question. 07:48.107 --> 07:48.797 Were you 07:48.910

--> 07:50.386 gonna say, I don't know that we've asked? 07:50.691 --> 07:51.012 Yeah. 07:51.493 --> 07:52.344 Like, I don't know that I— 07:52.617 --> 07:55.906 and I agree with that. I don't know that we've asked for a whole lot 07:56.406 --> 07:58.972 of feedback. That doesn't mean we don't care, 07:59.983 --> 08:03.545 but I don't know that we have asked. I know that I've heard from staff, 08:03.690 --> 08:06.723 and I know that that's been polled around, that our staff have felt like it's 08:07.223 --> 08:11.072 been a positive thing. And we just did a tech meeting of our local area, 08:11.537 --> 08:15.309 usually 10, 15 school districts in the room, and Overall, 08:15.325 --> 08:18.103 that was the vibe of the room is that it's been a good thing. 08:18.761 --> 08:19.178 Oh yeah. 08:19.259 --> 08:20.174 What do the kids say? 08:21.490 --> 08:22.149 That would be 08:22.649 --> 08:25.970 an interesting conversation point or a climate part 08:26.470 --> 08:28.555 of the climate study or climate survey that they do. 08:29.438 --> 08:29.695 Well, 08:30.113 --> 08:34.561 so the core of this research is looking from October 2025 08:34.593 --> 08:38.334 to May of 2026. So about a school year's length 08:39.072 --> 08:42.960 time period. Teen users are reporting cell phone usage is up, 08:43.345 --> 08:46.606 that more teens have used a cell phone in a core class. That has 08:46.638 --> 08:50.044 raised from 28% in October to 42% in May. 08:50.879 --> 08:54.831 44% are saying the teachers have become less strict about phone rules 08:55.331 --> 08:58.028 during the year. So as years go, as the time goes on during the school 08:58.528 --> 09:01.690 year, rules get a little bit more relaxed. I think you can say that about 09:01.803 --> 09:05.578 many times or many rules that you start the school year off with one 09:06.078 --> 09:10.090 set of expectations and it starts to drop. 13% of adults noticed 09:10.590 --> 09:14.088 this change, whereas 60% saw no difference. So, maybe it 09:14.105 --> 09:17.236 might be something that teens are noticing but the teachers are not. 09:18.665 --> 09:22.615 I don't know that the no cell phone thing is any different 09:22.695 --> 09:25.649 than a dress code rule. 09:26.613 --> 09:29.150 The year starts out, you're going to be super strict, hardcore, 09:29.904 --> 09:33.821 everybody's on it. And then, as the year goes by, people become 09:33.917 --> 09:37.298 more lax. And same thing with like hall passes or 09:37.939 --> 09:41.240 tardy at the start of class. Like, I think that's a 09:41.304 --> 09:45.118 natural progression. I don't know that it's fair to say to 09:45.150 --> 09:48.884 call out the cell phone ban being not enforced as much 09:48.916 --> 09:52.681 by the end of the year because, yeah, what other rule isn't 09:53.181 --> 09:54.091 being enforced as much? 09:54.748 --> 09:56.944 Yeah, I, I, the, I think 09:57.489 --> 10:00.729 maybe, maybe a difference Is that this came, 10:01.339 --> 10:05.226 I mean, for in, in most places from the state. So it's, 10:05.419 --> 10:09.001 you know, it should be a little bit different set aside because it's a law. 10:09.354 --> 10:11.683 It was something that was told for the schools to do as opposed to the 10:12.183 --> 10:15.152 schools just coming up with the dress code. Right. That's where you would hope that 10:15.652 --> 10:18.124 it's just a solid stance the whole way through. That's, that's— I think that's the 10:18.624 --> 10:18.879 lens you could wear. 10:19.409 --> 10:19.714 Sure. 10:19.907 --> 10:21.417 To be like, it's no different. 10:21.963 --> 10:24.758 You know, boys and girls, this is, this is coming from our state. You know 10:25.258 --> 10:25.047 what I mean? 10:25.512 --> 10:26.716 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 10:27.198 --> 10:29.252 Well, the good news is that teens actually 10:29.605 --> 10:33.296 like this. You're seeing a drop in the 10:33.457 --> 10:36.795 percentage of teens who felt unhappy about cell phone bans go from 10:37.309 --> 10:40.599 48%, about half of teenagers were unhappy 10:41.099 --> 10:45.061 about cell phone bans, that dropped to about 27%. That's a significant percentage of teenagers 10:45.478 --> 10:49.089 who are, I would say, no longer unhappy about cell phone bans. I wouldn't 10:49.589 --> 10:50.405 say they're happy, but— 10:50.453 --> 10:52.331 The rule wasn't getting enforced apparently. 10:52.395 --> 10:55.815 Well, yeah, that could be another thing too, yeah. And then the negative 10:55.928 --> 10:59.285 impact, the teenagers who felt like there was a negative impact of 10:59.785 --> 11:03.348 cell phone bans dropped from 24% to 17%. It's actually a good 11:03.380 --> 11:07.139 sign too that teenagers are seeing that there's not a negative 11:07.155 --> 11:10.351 repercussion of this happening. I will say this, 11:10.528 --> 11:14.078 that teenagers, or nearly one-third of teens in October, 11:14.094 --> 11:16.760 said that phone restrictions helped them pay attention in class. 11:17.226 --> 11:21.610 I think that's a fantastic thing to see that teenagers are reflective 11:21.690 --> 11:24.869 of the changes that they wanna see. So overall, we're still 11:24.901 --> 11:28.930 seeing a majority of teenagers and adults in favor of eliminating cell phones 11:29.430 --> 11:32.686 and screens in classrooms. They did start to ask questions about, you know, 11:32.766 --> 11:35.351 larger technology bans. So, you know, 11:35.591 --> 11:39.283 technology is not as receptive, or teenagers are 11:39.783 --> 11:43.152 not as receptive about technology in classrooms as we may expect 11:43.216 --> 11:46.571 or think. And this data that we'll link in the show notes 11:47.071 --> 11:47.791 starts to show that. 11:50.024 --> 11:50.571 I think as 11:50.667 --> 11:54.025 with anything, that dramatic change at the beginning has 11:54.137 --> 11:57.608 a bunch of fear and uncertainty associated with it, which is reasonable. 11:57.672 --> 11:57.736 Sure. 11:57.833 --> 12:00.966

But I think they've realized as they've gone through 12:01.466 --> 12:05.288 it that it's not as scary as they thought it would be. It'll be 12:05.368 --> 12:08.694 interesting a couple of years from now how 12:08.839 --> 12:12.405 that mentality about cell phone bans change because 12:13.594 --> 12:16.949 at some point, 5th graders that didn't have cell phones ever at school are 12:17.449 --> 12:20.527 just like, we just don't have phones at school. That's the thing. 12:20.864 --> 12:20.928 Yeah. 12:21.105 --> 12:21.265 Yep. 12:21.602 --> 12:24.747 It's gonna be interesting to see that, how that mentality shifts. 12:25.276 --> 12:28.871 I remember doing like, uh, I want to say it was wallpaper, but it 12:28.919 --> 12:32.513 might have been like the profile picture. Like, we did a thing, like the 12:33.013 --> 12:36.267 elementaries used to be able to set one of those things, and we took it 12:36.767 --> 12:40.439 away, and there was like a small revolt amongst like the 5th graders, you know. 12:40.696 --> 12:44.388 But again, as those kids came up, That's, that's what they experienced 12:44.888 --> 12:48.000 in kindergarten and first and second and third grade. So yeah, you apply this 12:48.500 --> 12:51.035 to cell phones, they're going to be, you know, we never had that, so we 12:51.535 --> 12:52.111 don't feel like it's been lost. 12:52.561 --> 12:55.065 Yeah. Yeah. Whenever we would do like 12:55.565 --> 12:59.047 new laptop refreshes, that was for me the time of like, all right, what changes 12:59.080 --> 13:03.094 do we need to make? Because you, you give a teacher a new laptop 13:03.594 --> 13:05.791 or you give a student a new laptop, it comes with new rules. 13:06.064 --> 13:06.257 Yes. 13:06.434 --> 13:09.822 That's much easier than enforcing new rules on something. So I 13:10.322 --> 13:10.512 totally agree with that. 13:10.640 --> 13:10.801 Yeah. 13:11.122 --> 13:13.483 I've also seen research that shows that teenagers are more 13:13.692 --> 13:16.550 in support of cell phone bans when it's everybody. 13:17.386 --> 13:19.698 Sure, they don't want to give up their cell phone because they feel like they're 13:19.778 --> 13:23.296 missing out on something, but if the entire school is banned on 13:23.344 --> 13:26.524 social media, then you're really— there's nothing that you're missing out 13:27.024 --> 13:30.458 on. So teenagers are a lot more receptive to cell phone bans when they see 13:30.958 --> 13:31.534 that it's everybody. 13:31.839 --> 13:33.815 And I think everybody includes teachers. 13:34.184 --> 13:37.637 Yeah, that's another thing that's come up is a lot of teenagers say, 13:37.750 --> 13:41.461 teenagers asking, how come you're banning it for me and not for teenagers? Goes for 13:41.961 --> 13:42.055 AI too. 13:42.586 --> 13:42.762 Yeah. 13:43.228 --> 13:45.397 You guys know I do church youth pastor 13:45.897 --> 13:49.543 stuff, and sometimes our youth group— yeah, and sometimes our, uh, youth group 13:49.591 --> 13:52.643 has done the thing where you gotta throw your cell phones, you know, in like 13:53.143 --> 13:55.696 a basket as you come in. And there's always that thing with a couple of 13:56.196 --> 13:59.070 kids that you can tell their heads are like, you know, it's gonna explode because 13:59.570 --> 14:02.492 they're not— you know, that's what it used to be like. You know, that was 14:02.509 --> 14:05.660 like this new experience. But again, If we're all in, we're all 14:06.160 --> 14:08.410 in. We're all here to hang out. We're all here to do this thing. 14:09.130 --> 14:10.530 Uh, I, I can see it working. 14:10.590 --> 14:12.720 I've been to a bar where you had 14:13.220 --> 14:14.360 to hand over your cell phone. 14:14.360 --> 14:16.120 That's called a strip club, Josh. 14:16.620 --> 14:19.760 No, Mark. No, no. 14:20.260 --> 14:23.560 What's the, uh, run fast for your run fast for— is 14:24.060 --> 14:25.580 that Florence and the Machine or something? Florence? 14:25.580 --> 14:26.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 14:26.640 --> 14:27.880 Florence and the Machine. 14:28.380 --> 14:31.460 I just watched a video where like that song is on and she has everyone 14:31.960 --> 14:34.160 put up their phones. You know, you see a lot of musicians doing that now, 14:34.660 --> 14:37.554 you know, to be in the moment. You came, she was like, you came for 14:37.570 --> 14:41.152 this song. So put your phones up, like enjoy the song, 14:41.184 --> 14:41.859 be in the moment. 14:42.052 --> 14:43.723 You know, that was the lady from Brady Bunch, right? 14:43.771 --> 14:45.297 Florence Henderson and the Machines. 14:45.988 --> 14:46.582 I don't know. 14:46.711 --> 14:47.562 Run fast for 14:47.675 --> 14:48.799 you. 14:48.976 --> 14:51.386 I think we're getting a copy strike 14:51.886 --> 14:52.157 for Chris's singing. 14:52.816 --> 14:54.743 And that was brought to you by Vizor. 14:55.402 --> 14:59.338 That's Vizor with a Z, V-I-Z-O-R. They can do your IT asset 14:59.838 --> 15:03.289 management and their, and a help desk solution. And it's built 15:03.337 --> 15:06.976 for K-12. And they keep the human in the loop with 15:07.104 --> 15:10.326 all of their authorizations and notifications and dashboards, all that 15:10.826 --> 15:14.173 they do. So check out visor.cloud/k12techtalk. 15:14.349 --> 15:15.472 I'm still waiting on my mug. 15:15.840 --> 15:17.523 Yeah. And if you book a demo, they're going 15:18.023 --> 15:20.425 to send you a mug that says human in the loop. It does not say 15:20.649 --> 15:21.162 -Josh, though. 15:21.611 --> 15:21.996 Should. 15:22.413 --> 15:22.781 All right. 15:22.845 --> 15:24.336 So let's take a look 15:24.416 --> 15:27.927 at ChatGPT's recent launch of 15:28.119 --> 15:31.790 ChatGPT for Teens. In fact, I didn't even hear about this until Chris 15:32.290 --> 15:35.157 brought it up on the show a little while ago. Well, Common Sense has weighed 15:35.657 --> 15:38.544 in. They have fully evaluated ChatGPT for teens, 15:39.025 -->

15:42.299 and after evaluating more than 4,000 different prompts, they have 15:42.799 --> 15:46.633 given it a rating of unacceptable in terms of its level 15:46.713 --> 15:50.132 of risk. So this is a very concerning thing when you actually look at how 15:50.260 --> 15:53.903 they're testing these things out. They're looking at categories of depression, 15:54.770 --> 15:58.911 mania, psychosis, suicide and self-harm, eating disorders, and substance 15:59.411 --> 16:03.469 abuse, and they're finding that ChatGPT is not delivering on its promises. 16:03.886 --> 16:07.834 is not putting teenagers in a safe place to be. They named 16:07.979 --> 16:11.012 a number of different kind of categories where they're seeing 16:12.087 --> 16:15.746 massive percentages of prompts not being flagged, 16:16.115 --> 16:20.336 specifically in the mental health category. And even though ChatGPT 16:20.836 --> 16:24.493 is supposed to warn folks or alert people of suicide helplines, 16:24.605 --> 16:28.024 it's not doing that. Now, in their defense, 16:28.056 --> 16:31.777 OpenAI has responded and said, look, when you first open up a 16:32.066 --> 16:36.090 ChatGPT account or it converts to a ChatGPT for Teens account, 16:36.394 --> 16:39.408 there is a grace period where you're not going to see these types of things. 16:39.921 --> 16:42.903 So that may explain why some of the testing, if it was a fresh new 16:43.403 --> 16:44.426 account, did not account for that. 16:44.490 --> 16:44.618 Hmm. 16:44.971 --> 16:46.799 But at the same time, you know, 16:46.815 --> 16:50.229 Common Sense in their research, they're saying, we're seeing 16:50.245 --> 16:53.804 this as a consistent flag, a consistent error or issue. 16:53.884 --> 16:57.572 So Common Sense, in my opinion, is a very reputable source that they're 16:58.072 --> 17:02.108 not recommending that parents send their teens to. I think this goes a 17:02.124 --> 17:05.443 lot hand in hand with, with some of the concerns we're seeing in other large 17:05.475 --> 17:08.889 language models and kids of all ages using things like Gemini 17:09.017 --> 17:13.009 and, and Claude. These things are designed for adult 17:13.509 --> 17:16.936 productivity, and when you put younger learners and younger teenagers in 17:17.436 --> 17:20.719 the hands of, of a, a very adult tool, you're starting to see a little 17:21.219 --> 17:23.941 bit of a pullback from school districts saying, I don't think these tools are quite 17:23.989 --> 17:27.179 ready for prime time. So curious what your experience is 17:27.292 --> 17:30.498 with Gemini in your school districts or ChatGPT or Claude in 17:30.998 --> 17:33.240 your school districts and whether or not they're starting to be a pullback from the 17:33.740 --> 17:37.334 adults saying, I'm not quite sure if this is the right tool to put 17:37.834 --> 17:39.341 in the hands of our teenagers or younger kids. 17:39.968 --> 17:42.521 Just a comment about that. 17:42.858 --> 17:46.358 Well, a couple comments. One, are we surprised that it's gotten that rating? 17:47.033 --> 17:50.565 2, why wouldn't they start out the 17:51.065 --> 17:54.258 accounts in a restricted mode, and once they figure out that it's an 17:54.758 --> 17:57.662 adult, lax the rules instead of going the other way? 17:57.790 --> 18:01.289 Like, To me, you always start out more restrictive until you're proven otherwise. 18:01.786 --> 18:02.589 I don't know. 18:02.990 --> 18:05.589 I'm surprised. I totally anticipated 18:06.089 --> 18:08.911 if you're going to build and market a tool for teenagers, 18:09.007 --> 18:12.570 for kids, that the criticisms would be that it's too 18:12.859 --> 18:16.549 watered down, that it's too restrictive. So to hear the 18:16.710 --> 18:21.027 opposite, that this tool is very unsafe, 18:21.684 --> 18:25.006 it is nowhere near ready for teenagers, for me is a 18:25.506 --> 18:28.633 very big surprise, especially with all of the lawsuits that are going on right now. 18:29.002 --> 18:32.857 That you would think after the big multi-billion dollar settlements 18:33.357 --> 18:36.584 for Meta for, for harming teenagers, I would've expected OpenAI to come out with a 18:36.632 --> 18:38.817 product that was very, very watered down. 18:39.363 --> 18:40.199 Again, you mentioned it, 18:40.488 --> 18:43.829 it's Common Sense Media, and I bank on 18:43.861 --> 18:47.957 them a lot. And you can, when, when you typically look at their stuff, 18:48.439 --> 18:52.198 well, that their brand of common sense, like it's, it's usually got 18:52.698 --> 18:55.797 that kind of vibe to it. So these are pretty surprising things 18:55.829 --> 18:56.359 that we're reading. 18:56.969 --> 18:57.146 Yes. 18:57.676 --> 18:58.929 Which makes me feel a certain way. 18:59.363 --> 18:59.668 All right, 18:59.685 --> 19:01.854 Chris, do you want to hit a sponsor before we segue? 19:01.934 --> 19:02.432 No, I don't have 19:02.932 --> 19:04.745 any more. Let's just jump right into it. We're going to do sponsors at the 19:05.245 --> 19:05.276 end, but you know. 19:05.372 --> 19:08.409 Okay. So Chris and I, the last couple days, 19:08.521 --> 19:12.264 were in Atlanta at the Google Education Leaders meetings. 19:13.325 --> 19:17.277 Always a great time. Disclosure, this was our second time being invited. We went to 19:17.777 --> 19:21.968 Chicago last year as well. There's demos, there's hands-on stuff, 19:22.242 --> 19:22.402 there's— 19:22.515 --> 19:23.029 It's awesome. 19:23.463 --> 19:25.358 We got to see a Google Book. I got 19:25.647 --> 19:27.253 to get hands-on with a Google Book. 19:27.334 --> 19:28.089 A consumer one. 19:29.149 --> 19:30.048 One of the consumer ones. 19:30.225 --> 19:31.494 So a regular Google Book. 19:32.040 --> 19:35.879 There was a running joke during the presentation of, look under your chairs. 19:36.538 --> 19:39.558 They did not give Google Books away, anything like that. 19:39.750 --> 19:41.967 It's gonna be interesting. 19:43.220 --> 19:46.465

They touted the— they talked about the timeline about, you know, eventually Chrome 19:46.497 --> 19:50.352 OS is gonna go away. Devices that you're buying today should be able to be 19:50.852 --> 19:54.249 converted to Google Book OS, I think that's what they're calling it, 19:54.538 --> 19:58.433 down the road. An interesting point or thing 19:58.529 --> 20:02.425 that was said was Chrome OS Flex is kind of in that boat with 20:02.457 --> 20:06.288 Chrome OS as well, because it's a Chrome OS product. So it's, 20:06.545 --> 20:10.039 it's going to be interesting to watch that transition take place. Thankfully, I will be 20:10.248 --> 20:13.582 retired before that hits full steam in 20:13.614 --> 20:17.205 2034. But it's going to be really, really interesting to watch this. 20:17.542 --> 20:21.663 take place. I think they're being very measured about 20:21.695 --> 20:24.661 what they're building and making sure that it hits all the points. You know, 20:24.677 --> 20:28.093 it continues to have the feature sets and everything functionality 20:28.109 --> 20:31.140 that the current Chrome OS has. You know, they want to make sure they're moving 20:31.236 --> 20:35.549 forward, not backward kind of thing. So that's going to be interesting 20:35.661 --> 20:36.110 to watch. 20:36.607 --> 20:38.884 I think that's like right 20:39.384 --> 20:42.685 around like when I'm going to retire. Like that might be my last 20:42.717 --> 20:46.628 battle, like my last stand. That might 20:47.128 --> 20:49.160 be the tipping point one way or the other on what I do. 20:49.929 --> 20:50.474 It's funny 20:50.974 --> 20:54.575 to me that when you have these meetings, invariably a conversation 20:55.075 --> 20:59.142 about retirement comes up. Like, so how 20:59.642 --> 21:02.571 long are you in? It always comes up. 21:02.987 --> 21:05.679 Well, we've talked about too, like, I mean, because we just don't know, 21:05.872 --> 21:09.317 like, what's the Google Admin Console going to look like? 21:09.701 --> 21:09.957 Right. 21:10.278 --> 21:12.313 Is it going to be like a super smooth transition? 21:13.307 --> 21:16.952 Like, it's a big moment. It's going to be a big moment in K-12 tech 21:17.080 --> 21:20.516 on if this thing doesn't go well, is this when schools start 21:20.548 --> 21:23.888 looking at Apple or looking at Microsoft? And then, 21:24.000 --> 21:26.425 and then they've announced the timeline. I mean, you can look up the timeline. 21:26.489 --> 21:29.941 So like, now Apple, Microsoft know what this timeline is going to 21:30.441 --> 21:33.859 look like. So they can start rallying up their stuff to disrupt 21:34.359 --> 21:37.889 within this much time. And techs don't like change. So like, 21:37.969 --> 21:40.490 they script Google Admin Console and they script the migration. 21:40.763 --> 21:41.485 I don't. 21:41.983 --> 21:43.862 Like, I want it to go really well. 21:44.375 --> 21:45.419 How's the end 21:45.919 --> 21:47.587 user device or the end user experience though? 21:48.085 --> 21:49.321 We barely touched that bad boy, 21:49.433 --> 21:49.594 but— 21:49.594 --> 21:53.319 Yeah, we barely got to touch it. It was another attendee 21:53.447 --> 21:56.257 that had one that had it powered on at dinner last night and we were 21:56.757 --> 21:59.372 kind of looking at it. So we didn't get to go real deep in it. 21:59.469 --> 22:01.957 We awkwardly walked up to him and Josh touched it. 22:02.279 --> 22:03.033 Yeah. 22:03.338 --> 22:04.478 And took a picture with it. 22:04.527 --> 22:05.586 Yeah, I said, can I take 22:06.086 --> 22:06.887 a selfie with it? Yeah. 22:07.256 --> 22:08.670 He's like, hey, have you looked at the bidets? 22:09.360 --> 22:12.910 That was his opener line. 22:12.974 --> 22:15.367 Yeah, that opened so many doors. 22:16.025 --> 22:16.347 It looked 22:16.847 --> 22:17.198 nice. It was nice. 22:17.712 --> 22:17.937 Yeah. 22:18.001 --> 22:19.559 You're talking about the bidet or the Chromebook? 22:19.703 --> 22:19.960 Both. 22:20.201 --> 22:20.828 Google Book. 22:20.924 --> 22:24.377 The Google Book. The bidet was wonderful. It was a Toto brand, 22:24.441 --> 22:25.501 had a remote control. 22:26.064 --> 22:26.369 Okay. 22:26.449 --> 22:26.738 Move. 22:27.027 --> 22:27.975 He was looking it 22:28.475 --> 22:31.010 up. The Google Book was nice. It's premium. It's good. 22:31.283 --> 22:32.038 So one 22:32.070 --> 22:36.225 of the other big Well, the majority of it was clearly 22:36.257 --> 22:40.232 centered around AI and new features and current features 22:40.345 --> 22:44.064 and making sure that, that we as leadership and edtech leaders in 22:44.112 --> 22:48.151 district are using the tools that we have to the fullest 22:48.200 --> 22:51.935 capability. One thing that kind of blew me away that I didn't really 22:52.031 --> 22:55.702 have a great understanding of that now I am crazy 22:55.814 --> 22:59.533 excited about is the Canvas function inside Gemini. 23:00.207 --> 23:03.848 And building dashboards in Google Sheets. 23:03.976 --> 23:06.335 I almost said Excel. Holy cow. 23:07.602 --> 23:11.532 I went back to the hotel room. So I text my elementary principal last night 23:12.032 --> 23:15.735 because he's got a master sheet, master data sheet with 23:16.906 --> 23:20.163 attendance data, all of that, scores, test scores, 23:20.259 --> 23:23.371 reading scores, math scores, all of it. And I said, hey man, 23:23.724 --> 23:27.124 share that sheet with me. I'm going to make a dashboard for you. So about 23:27.269 --> 23:30.858 15 minutes goes by. I'm in the, I'm in the 23:30.954 --> 23:33.293 Spark and Sheet. I say, 23:33.886 --> 23:36.803 I go down and select Canvas from the plus sign down in the, 23:37.267 --> 23:40.152 down at the bottom of the prompt. And I said, make me a dashboard. 23:40.312 --> 23:43.164 I gave it no other information. I didn't tell it what kind of graphs I 23:43.196 --> 23:45.728 wanted to see. I didn't tell it I wanted filters. 23:46.561 -->

23:50.006 I just said, make me a dashboard. It made the most 23:50.506 --> 23:53.323 beautiful dashboard for student achievement, attendance. 23:53.371 --> 23:53.499 Beautiful. 23:54.013 --> 23:57.542 I can filter on grade level, I can filter by student, I can, I can 23:58.042 --> 24:01.520 see how many kids are at proficient in reading, I can see percentage of kids 24:01.552 --> 24:05.241 that are advanced in reading just with the command of make 24:05.741 --> 24:08.706 a dashboard. So like hit it out of the park. 24:09.332 --> 24:13.230 Had a real conversation of the possibility of 24:13.342 --> 24:16.919 as long as we have our data that 24:16.951 --> 24:20.416 we want, you know, test score data, whatever that we're wanting to 24:20.916 --> 24:24.441 measure, We could get rid of Educlimber with this 24:24.570 --> 24:28.338 free function in Gemini now. Like it, 24:28.499 --> 24:32.348 and it takes 10 minutes to build a dashboard. It's, it, that, 24:32.572 --> 24:35.780 that single feature alone blew me away this week. 24:35.876 --> 24:35.940 Yeah. 24:36.197 --> 24:38.843 And you could tweak it. So like that was just a generic thing, but you 24:39.343 --> 24:42.035 go back, you change your prompt a little bit, add a button, take away a 24:42.535 --> 24:44.232 button, whatever, whatever. I mean, it was doing all that stuff. 24:44.280 --> 24:45.034 Chris, you said you, 24:45.402 --> 24:47.648 you were building one for Chromebook insurance, didn't you? 24:47.904 --> 24:48.433 At the airport? 24:48.915 --> 24:52.755 Yeah, I, so we do self-maintainer Chromebook insurance 24:53.255 --> 24:55.151 in our district. So people pay, it goes into a pot of money. 24:56.722 --> 24:59.929 We buy parts from chromebookparts.com typically. 25:00.674 --> 25:04.243 We're a Lenovo self-maintainer. We handle the warranty, yada, yada. So I 25:04.743 --> 25:08.200 process all that stuff just in a very simple sheet, 25:09.837 --> 25:13.176 some names, some Xs on what claim it is, and that gets entered into Infinite 25:13.676 --> 25:17.252 Campus, whatever. But I've never pulled stats out of that. And if I did, 25:17.284 --> 25:21.697 it was me doing work. I, so I made a dashboard 25:22.197 --> 25:25.051 and it's this beautiful looking thing and tell me how many kids have claimed, 25:25.067 --> 25:27.827 what the percentage is overall. And I mean, made it, 25:28.116 --> 25:31.117 made it like I have a GUI now. It let me enter, 25:31.470 --> 25:34.792 it added stuff that I can enter in the claims from the dashboard GUI 25:34.840 --> 25:38.018 as opposed to a manual entry into a spreadsheet without, 25:38.548 --> 25:41.757 without effort. I didn't work hard on that, like at all. So then 25:42.257 --> 25:45.498 again, you give me another 15, 20, 30 minutes and 25:46.092 --> 25:47.521 that thing's perfect. 25:47.730 --> 25:48.308 So now, Chris, 25:49.464 --> 25:53.992 tell us what you did during the demo of Canvas 25:54.040 --> 25:57.524 when engineer Jeremy is saying, be whimsical 25:58.279 --> 25:59.178 as a student. 25:59.419 --> 26:01.298 So they also showed just Gemini. 26:02.004 --> 26:05.537 So gemini.google.com, you know, and click on Canvas and 26:06.037 --> 26:09.085 make some stuff. So lots of people are doing lots of cool things. So I 26:09.294 --> 26:09.679 decided— 26:09.679 --> 26:10.755 Really cool things, yeah. 26:10.835 --> 26:12.594 Super cool. That will greatly 26:13.094 --> 26:14.470 impact their school district when they return home. 26:14.858 --> 26:16.735 And this was around vibecoding. 26:16.799 --> 26:17.883 It was a vibecoding session. 26:17.996 --> 26:18.126 Yes. 26:18.417 --> 26:18.789 And it was— 26:19.064 --> 26:20.163 this is the 26:20.180 --> 26:23.327 idea behind vibecoding. You can build all these awesome apps. 26:24.312 --> 26:24.521 And we did. 26:24.602 --> 26:27.619 Before I even get into this, Mark, you saw my project. 26:27.942 --> 26:31.014 It was very, very off topic. 26:33.373 --> 26:36.204 So, I vibecoded for about 15 or so minutes. 26:37.056 --> 26:41.563 Um, and I, all I did was type in like, make a Zelda-themed 26:42.063 --> 26:46.183 game where the main character is a male and 26:46.199 --> 26:50.146 he's wearing a shirt that says Josh. And I want his arms and 26:50.646 --> 26:52.648 his legs to be animated as he moves around. 26:53.659 --> 26:56.883 Uh, and I want it there to be a castle. So we know that 26:57.383 --> 27:00.508 in Josh's area, uh, AI data centers are a hot topic. 27:00.557 --> 27:03.781 So I'm, I wanted a castle with the label of AI data center. 27:04.422 --> 27:06.041 Is there, is there a bidet in this castle? 27:06.506 --> 27:06.923 There was not. 27:06.987 --> 27:07.789 No. I don't 27:08.289 --> 27:11.075 think I had used the bidet by the— at that point yesterday. 27:12.117 --> 27:12.774 I wasn't a believer. 27:12.822 --> 27:14.778 Within, uh, 2, 3 minutes, 27:15.146 --> 27:19.330 it made this. Like, it made— I had a, I had a game that 27:19.830 --> 27:22.552 looked like Zelda that had a dude named Josh that was walking around. 27:23.001 --> 27:25.823 I could use the arrow keys and go to a castle. So then I added 27:26.323 --> 27:29.910 to that. I added, if you hit, uh, Josh likes 27:30.410 --> 27:34.418 saying no, all the time to his faculty staff. So if 27:34.918 --> 27:38.480 you hit spacebar, it would say no above his head. You could toggle 27:38.980 --> 27:43.079 that on and off. And then I added these 27:43.594 --> 27:47.830 non-playing characters, these just people that would wander around the castle holding 27:49.150 --> 27:52.882 no data center signs. And then I added, because Google Book was all 27:52.915 --> 27:56.121 the hype, if you hit the Alt 27:56.621 --> 27:59.788 key, he would swing a Google Book. Uh, that was like 28:00.288 --> 28:02.968 his weapon. And then, and then I added, I was like, when he touches the 28:03.064 --> 28:06.518 dungeon, the castle door, bring him into the dungeon 28:06.534 --> 28:09.811 and let that be a

bunch of AI bots. So then it created, 28:09.827 --> 28:13.329 you, you walked in and there was these AI bot characters and he would swing 28:13.441 --> 28:16.541 the, uh, Google Book as a weapon. 28:16.878 --> 28:19.834 And then I added, so that was a prompt and that was getting, I mean, 28:20.412 --> 28:22.806 I was full of joy. Uh, this is— 28:22.806 --> 28:23.866 Yeah, we, we were 28:24.366 --> 28:26.227 laughing pretty loudly at this point. Yeah. 28:26.677 --> 28:28.138 I got a video sent to 28:28.638 --> 28:31.300 me and I could tell like it's a video of you guys in a session 28:31.348 --> 28:34.607 where Chris is supposed to be paying attention, but it's, it's, he's filming 28:34.623 --> 28:38.155 his screen. The snickering behind the camera 28:38.236 --> 28:39.167 is hysterical. 28:39.616 --> 28:41.976 And I didn't, I didn't know, like I 28:42.008 --> 28:45.733 was, like I was vibing, like I was the 28:46.233 --> 28:47.964 definition of vibe coding. I was doing it. 28:48.189 --> 28:49.859 Can we host this for listeners 28:49.891 --> 28:51.239 to play this real game? 28:51.320 --> 28:52.989 For sure. Like, yeah, we probably could. 28:53.070 --> 28:53.262 Yeah. 28:53.407 --> 28:54.499 I feel like we need to play this. 28:54.852 --> 28:56.377 Because in the end, when he 28:56.393 --> 28:58.946 would hit an AI bot with the Google Book, 28:59.588 --> 29:02.800 then there was an animation I added with like dollar signs because that was him 29:03.300 --> 29:06.750 probably breaking the expensive Google Book. That was the grand finale 29:06.830 --> 29:10.041 of the thing. And I loved it. And like, it is insanity 29:10.541 --> 29:14.328 to me. That is beautiful technology. The fact that we can just make that 29:14.441 --> 29:18.359 thing, make that tool. You can see the code. You can, I mean, it's crazy. 29:18.937 --> 29:22.179 Let me talk about a valid use of this. We, 29:22.724 --> 29:25.421 we have a student that has rather low vision, 29:25.918 --> 29:28.374 and he'd taken an algebra course, 29:29.690 --> 29:32.804 and they were trying to find a calculator online, an extension, 29:33.221 --> 29:36.495 whatever, that when he hovered over a button 29:36.592 --> 29:40.267 on the calculator, it would read aloud the number that he was 29:40.363 --> 29:44.199 hovering over. We couldn't really find anything that 29:44.456 --> 29:48.608 You know, aligned with data privacy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We called the School 29:48.704 --> 29:52.247 for the Blind in St. Louis. They're like, well, we would just use a calculator 29:52.747 --> 29:56.126 with Braille on it. We're like, well, he doesn't, he doesn't need that. He's not 29:56.174 --> 29:58.226 that— he doesn't have that much low vision, 29:58.964 --> 30:02.218 um, or that low of vision. So we were kind of 30:02.718 --> 30:05.713 spinning our wheels. Well, in this session, it struck me. I'm like, 30:05.793 --> 30:09.384 well, I could vibe code an accessible calculator 30:09.884 --> 30:13.008 for

this kid. So I went in, I went into Gemini, went down to the 30:13.508 --> 30:17.498 bottom, hit the plus sign, did Canvas. I said, make me an accessible calculator, 30:17.803 --> 30:21.667 high contrast, that when I hover the mouse over the buttons on the calculator, 30:21.972 --> 30:25.051 a voice reads what button I'm hovering over. 30:25.660 --> 30:28.579 And, you know, do all the normal buttons on a calculator. 30:29.124 --> 30:33.053 Like 3 minutes, I have HTML code that I embedded into 30:33.553 --> 30:36.629 a Google Site. I sent to this kid's teacher. I said, have him try this. 30:37.206 --> 30:40.348 She emailed me back. She said, this is great. I love the 30:40.848 --> 30:43.490 premise of it, but it needs to be a scientific calculator, 30:43.715 --> 30:46.456 calculator like the TI-80. Okay. 30:47.081 --> 30:50.175 I went back to that, that prompt. I said, make this 30:50.288 --> 30:53.478 a scientific calculator like the TI-80. Hit enter. 30:53.895 --> 30:56.989 30 seconds later, here you go. I updated my code. 30:57.197 --> 31:00.147 Now this kid has a completely accessible, high contrast, 31:00.772 --> 31:04.446 audio-based calculator. That I vibe coded in like 5 31:04.478 --> 31:07.738 minutes. Freaking awesome. 31:08.252 --> 31:08.701 It is awesome. 31:09.360 --> 31:12.153 You can change the colors. Like if you don't like whatever 31:12.170 --> 31:15.557 color it defaulted to, you could change it to a different high contrast 31:16.057 --> 31:18.544 color set. The voice kind of sucks. It's pretty robotic. 31:19.186 --> 31:19.812 I feel like 31:20.312 --> 31:21.033 there's a big but coming. 31:21.563 --> 31:21.932 I got it. 31:22.060 --> 31:23.795 There's always a but in your face. 31:24.003 --> 31:26.171 So here's the conclusion we came to. 31:26.797 --> 31:27.488 And it's a struggle. 31:28.228 --> 31:31.450 It is a struggle because we just, and we didn't do this on purpose, 31:31.563 --> 31:35.417 by the way. The 2 things that we just did is with 31:35.449 --> 31:38.786 Gemini on. Gemini on for faculty, Gemini on 31:38.834 --> 31:40.639 for students, Gemini on for— 31:41.493 --> 31:41.815 Whoever. 31:42.137 --> 31:46.697 Whoever. There's a problem there because 31:47.599 --> 31:51.337 I just did what a typical middle school boy will do. 31:52.191 --> 31:53.367 You can, a girl could do it too. 31:53.415 --> 31:54.059 Given Gemini. 31:54.697 --> 31:55.242 You don't have to be 31:55.742 --> 31:55.387 a boy. 31:55.916 --> 31:56.157 Agree. 31:56.254 --> 31:56.478 Agree. 31:57.586 --> 31:59.672 I did that without 32:00.172 --> 32:04.183 any kind of thought, without any kind of whatever. And then I flashback 32:05.290 --> 32:08.982 to last week when I'm playing whack-a-mole with a bunch of video 32:09.482 --> 32:12.818 games that are going unblocked on whatever sites and 32:12.850 --> 32:16.397 messing with my content filter all day. That's not going to be my problem 32:16.462 --> 32:19.672 anymore if I have Gemini on for my students. My students are just going to 32:20.172 --> 32:22.657 make Snake. They're just going to make Mario. They're just going to make Zelda. 32:23.653 --> 32:28.409 And I'm gonna be spending a lot of time when 32:28.442 --> 32:32.205 my, when our students figure out Canvas and Gemini 32:33.369 --> 32:36.378 and how we typically instantly go to the negative. 32:37.171 --> 32:40.679 That's gonna be my new thing that I'm gonna be dealing with. 32:40.744 --> 32:44.366 And there's not an option for me to toggle 32:44.866 --> 32:48.697 that bad boy off. Like, I want Gemini, I want 80, 32:48.713 --> 32:52.018 90% of Gemini, but— you know, at a middle school level or 32:52.518 --> 32:54.539 an elementary level. I don't want particular parts of Gemini. 32:55.615 --> 32:58.376 And that was this grand conclusion that we started to come to as we were 32:59.661 --> 33:02.069 thinking about what brilliant things we had both made. 33:02.776 --> 33:03.177 Yeah. 33:03.739 --> 33:06.067 That, man, that's a rough spot because we 33:06.567 --> 33:09.166 see it and we see how awesome it could be, but then we see some 33:09.198 --> 33:13.020 negativity stuff that plays into your ChatGPT news 33:13.068 --> 33:15.348 as well. We're like, is this ready for kids? 33:15.847 --> 33:16.041 Yeah. 33:16.170 --> 33:19.630 Maybe in some school districts, maybe in some school cultures, 33:21.343 --> 33:24.641 but there's still a lot there to try to 33:24.657 --> 33:25.724 figure out what you're going to do with it. 33:26.207 --> 33:28.368 Well, and I'll just say 33:28.465 --> 33:31.755 kudos to Google too in this environment. 33:32.770 --> 33:36.077 They had listening sessions. Like today was all feedback and listening 33:36.110 --> 33:39.740 sessions. And I, Chris, you and I were not in the 33:40.240 --> 33:42.209 same room, even let alone same table today. 33:42.638 --> 33:43.231 Mm-hmm. 33:43.583 --> 33:47.253 But I made it clear, one of my biggest frustrations and the 33:47.269 --> 33:51.483 reason why I don't have Gemini on for my students right now is because 33:51.739 --> 33:55.841 Gemini, there is not a way, a good way to 33:56.341 --> 34:00.472 force students to guided learning mode versus the default 34:00.972 --> 34:04.270 Gemini, just give me the answer mode. And I mean, I told him, if you 34:04.414 --> 34:07.811 would come out with a toggle and it just has to be a dropdown 34:07.923 --> 34:11.532 or it's a checkbox, that says this OU structure, 34:11.548 --> 34:15.719 my student OU structure, only gets Gemini in guided 34:16.219 --> 34:20.067 learning mode and nothing else, I'd be all in on 34:20.131 --> 34:21.623 rolling Gemini to my high school kids. 34:21.703 --> 34:21.799 Yeah. 34:22.281 --> 34:23.195 But until I can do 34:23.695 --> 34:27.110 that, we've proven that academic dishonesty takes 34:27.254 --> 34:30.768 over the functionality from Gemini when you have it on with students. 34:31.024 --> 34:34.682 We've, we've proven that in my district. So until we can force

34:34.731 --> 34:38.147 them to guided learning mode out of the box without class tools, 34:38.500 --> 34:42.254 without a filter, without, you know, a filter modification. I want 34:42.754 --> 34:46.393 to do it in the admin console. I can't roll this 34:46.762 --> 34:48.991 to high school kids or middle school kids at this point. 34:49.248 --> 34:49.344 Yeah. 34:49.393 --> 34:49.874 And I think 34:50.374 --> 34:54.333 this has been my— I'm not going to say criticism or concern, or I guess 34:55.023 --> 34:58.889 the right phrase right now is worry that, you know, 34:59.098 --> 35:01.985 a lot of AI tools are, are on or off. 35:03.286 --> 35:07.300 And that's it. And when you are on or off for 35:07.800 --> 35:09.692 a tool like AI, I think a lot of people are taking the approach of 35:10.192 --> 35:14.075 like, well, we have to let our teachers use it, or we have to allow 35:14.107 --> 35:18.491 our high school students to use it. And so you naturally turn things on, 35:19.261 --> 35:22.778 but then you are accepting everything. You're accepting all of the updates that 35:23.278 --> 35:26.422 roll through, you're accepting all the new features, you're accepting all the models. 35:27.193 --> 35:30.275 And You're accepting all of the risk that comes with that. 35:31.125 --> 35:34.592 And that has always been my concern with the AI tools. And I think 35:35.092 --> 35:40.257 it's growing in its risk to a school district that, 35:40.995 --> 35:44.590 you know, right now you as the IT director for the district have 35:44.702 --> 35:48.169 one toggle on or off. And then after 35:48.669 --> 35:51.924 that, once it's on, it is entirely in the hands of Google to what they 35:52.424 --> 35:56.009 decide to give to your district. And I think that is 35:56.041 --> 35:59.496 something that we need to really rethink. And I really hope that Google 35:59.996 --> 36:03.610 rethinks that because you're going to start to see districts pull back very, 36:03.691 --> 36:04.224 very soon. 36:04.744 --> 36:06.985 There is definitely a techlash happening. 36:07.748 --> 36:11.255 I got to talk to one of the big 36:11.755 --> 36:16.081 school districts that has made some news and 36:16.097 --> 36:18.800 talked about turning off AI for students kind of thing. 36:20.307 --> 36:24.096 And our great point together, I felt like, 36:24.642 --> 36:27.757 I'm at a school district of 2,000 kids, 200 staff, 36:27.773 --> 36:31.546 small school district. That was at a school district of one 36:32.046 --> 36:35.769 of the largest school districts in the nation. And we are talking literally about 36:35.881 --> 36:36.829 the same problem. 36:37.403 --> 36:37.423 Yeah. 36:37.423 --> 36:39.141 The middle school boy, the middle school girl that's doing 36:39.189 --> 36:42.978 the vibe coding, that's playing the Mario game, whatever, playing the Josh 36:43.363 --> 36:46.782 battles the AI bots. We need a solution, 36:47.375 --> 36:50.791 small to large, and we're having the exact same conversations with parents, 36:50.807 --> 36:54.351 the exact same conversations with teachers, the exact same pushback in 36:54.851 --> 36:57.928 our communities. So we want all these companies, 36:57.960 --> 37:01.215 this isn't just a pick-on with Google as we're kind of recapping this, all these 37:01.247 --> 37:05.192 companies, we need choices because we want to do it. Man, 37:05.240 --> 37:09.089 this stuff's all exciting. We're all about all this stuff, but we 37:09.589 --> 37:12.843 got to have some button pressing in here and some— It doesn't need to be 37:12.875 --> 37:17.017 faucet on, faucet off. Yeah. Even image 37:17.114 --> 37:20.020 generation. What if I don't want that at the elementary level? 37:20.598 --> 37:20.791 Yeah. 37:20.903 --> 37:23.809 What if I don't want that till 8th grade? Again, I need to have 37:24.309 --> 37:27.406 that flexibility and let me as the district, you know, 37:27.422 --> 37:30.472 let us as the district make that choice. And even beyond that, let, 37:30.954 --> 37:35.161 if the district wants, let the school decide, 37:35.273 --> 37:36.638 let the classroom decide. 37:36.863 --> 37:37.521 Yeah, yeah. 37:37.906 --> 37:38.451 And I don't want these— 37:38.627 --> 37:41.608 Josh and I were bantering about this too. We don't want— I don't want to 37:41.688 --> 37:45.342 live in a new world where it's like these 37:45.374 --> 37:48.963 tools are on and then I have to figure out like with my content 37:49.123 --> 37:52.633 filter or with other systems how to get them 37:52.745 --> 37:56.447 to turn off or how to like— we shouldn't be doing stuff like that. 37:57.136 --> 37:57.264 Well. 37:57.937 --> 38:00.629 We should just be able to go to this one place 38:00.758 --> 38:02.969 and, you know, this thing that we're using and then have options. 38:03.643 --> 38:04.205 Yeah, and this 38:04.705 --> 38:08.297 is, this is one of the, the areas that school districts 38:08.797 --> 38:12.277 have gradually rolled out technology to students over the grade levels 38:12.871 --> 38:16.370 by restricting things very heavily at the younger grade levels and then 38:16.466 --> 38:20.606 growing things as students gain in maturity and gain in capabilities. But also 38:20.655 --> 38:23.752 you're able to help kids and guide them through the right way to use things. 38:24.651 --> 38:27.443 And I think that's something that we also want to see for AI tools is 38:28.262 --> 38:31.776 as you get to high school in your media class and you're able 38:31.808 --> 38:36.108 to understand what it means to create images and 38:36.124 --> 38:39.236 you understand about copyright and you've gone through digital literacy class. 38:39.524 --> 38:42.765 Okay, now, by the way, your account now has the ability to make images, 38:42.797 --> 38:43.101 right? Sure. 38:43.262 --> 38:43.454 Yeah. 38:43.823 --> 38:46.470 I think the pushback to what we're saying is, well, you can't 38:46.970 --> 38:49.052 turn these things off because kids need

to learn how to use them and you 38:49.552 --> 38:53.191 should be teaching them how to use things correctly. I understand that, but you're also, 38:53.367 --> 38:56.640 you're handing over a very sharp chef's knife to a kid 38:57.313 --> 39:01.870 and saying, you can make a very great 5-course 39:02.370 --> 39:04.728 meal for your family. You can also murder them at the same time. 39:05.900 --> 39:06.157 Wow, 39:06.398 --> 39:06.864 Mark. 39:07.522 --> 39:09.288 That's good. 39:09.738 --> 39:10.605 Good analogy. 39:11.504 --> 39:13.318 Chris, you also talked about rolling 39:13.431 --> 39:16.899 back some feature sets with that very, very, very large district like YouTube. 39:17.204 --> 39:20.415 Yes, YouTube was a great discussion and we were talking about on the 39:20.915 --> 39:23.611 way home from, you know, after you told me which way to go, right and 39:23.643 --> 39:26.901 left, and to slow down, speed up. Are you going to take this 39:27.013 --> 39:30.185 exit and that kind of stuff? I think the YouTube vibe is changing 39:30.217 --> 39:34.126 quite a bit of just YouTube on or even YouTube 39:34.626 --> 39:36.417 on with moderation or strictness. 39:37.170 --> 39:37.235 Yeah. 39:37.891 --> 39:41.817 A lot of folks that we were talking to, YouTube's off 39:41.993 --> 39:45.438 and they're just doing the embedded links into 39:45.502 --> 39:47.601 Classroom. And even I kind of left— 39:47.617 --> 39:48.225 I'm all about it. 39:48.626 --> 39:49.139 All about 39:49.639 --> 39:53.512 it. I kind of left this thing thinking through that again in my head because 39:54.012 --> 39:55.547 I still allow some YouTube at high school, middle school. 39:56.397 --> 39:57.358 Yeah, we, we're, 39:57.374 --> 40:00.772 we do the same. We allow it high school, middle school. And I'm, 40:01.285 --> 40:04.747 hey man, you tell me now to turn YouTube app off 40:05.247 --> 40:06.766 for everybody. Give me 30 seconds. 40:06.830 --> 40:07.279 It's done. 40:07.856 --> 40:09.603 I, I love 40:09.939 --> 40:10.532 that idea. 40:10.997 --> 40:13.610 More, more and more districts are turning off YouTube now than, 40:13.882 --> 40:17.728 than ever. Uh, and I think that's, that's part of the tech lash, but I 40:18.228 --> 40:20.790 think it comes down to control. And the, and the other part of it too 40:20.918 --> 40:24.828 is visibility. And I know that you can review Gemini logs in Google 40:24.941 --> 40:25.325 Vault. 40:25.742 --> 40:26.786 Yeah. 40:27.123 --> 40:28.841 It's not user-friendly. 40:29.419 --> 40:32.887 I shouldn't have to go to Vault. Vault is for eDiscovery. 40:33.032 --> 40:35.825 I shouldn't have to go to Vault to see that. 40:36.323 --> 40:38.041 You're pounding your fist on the desk right now. 40:38.121 --> 40:38.715 I'm sorry. 40:38.812 --> 40:40.176 Really pounding your fist. 40:40.289 --> 40:42.745 No, that's the guy installing the bidet upstairs. 40:44.206 --> 40:48.108 The camera is shaking. That's how much you are pounding. 40:48.879 --> 40:53.130 So yeah, I think as we see These articles come out about ChatGPT 40:53.435 --> 40:57.056 and their lack of controls and the lack of visibility. And we are also 40:57.556 --> 41:00.085 seeing the same thing with school districts pushing back on things like YouTube and now 41:00.585 --> 41:04.331 Gemini. I think really edtech companies really need to start to look at, 41:05.293 --> 41:08.482 you're going to give a product to a school district, what kinds of controls and 41:08.498 --> 41:11.847 visibility are you giving to that school district? And if you're 41:12.347 --> 41:15.484 not giving anything away, or if you're giving very, very minimal, then you should not 41:15.984 --> 41:17.407 be surprised when districts start turning your product off. 41:18.258 --> 41:19.446 I, I want 41:19.946 --> 41:24.841 to say part of the arm— the AI arms race is control. 41:24.922 --> 41:28.454 Like, if you're wanting to get K-12, yeah, whoever comes 41:28.954 --> 41:31.087 up with the settings and the controls the quickest wins. 41:31.601 --> 41:34.170 Great point. Great point. 41:35.118 --> 41:38.441 You know what, speaking of controls, you know 41:38.941 --> 41:42.664 what control surprised me, um, on the bidet remote? 41:43.682 --> 41:44.653 Oh, no, no, no. 41:45.171 --> 41:46.174 The blow dryer. 41:46.433 --> 41:46.692 No, 41:46.935 --> 41:48.893 no, no, no, no. 41:49.993 --> 41:56.462 Yeah, I like jumped. Ho, ho, ho, it's magic. 41:58.402 --> 42:00.433 Oh, God. Okay. 42:01.062 --> 42:02.286 I had that sound loaded up 42:02.786 --> 42:05.443 for a long time. I was just waiting for the right moment to use it. 42:05.492 --> 42:05.911 That is funny. 42:06.830 --> 42:09.306 So I'll close with this funny story, and this 42:09.806 --> 42:13.416 is podcast related, not bidet related. So the last session of 42:13.432 --> 42:16.820 the day in this beautiful conference room overlooking the city of Atlanta, 42:16.836 --> 42:21.525 the skyline's gorgeous. I walk in, I see Elise, 42:21.798 --> 42:24.495 somebody that we know in there. I figure she's running the session. 42:25.330 --> 42:29.200 There's an open seat between these 2 gentlemen. I sit down, my laptop is closed. 42:29.666 --> 42:31.769 I put my laptop on the table. 42:33.037 --> 42:36.602 The guy to my right, I don't say anything. I just sit down. I'm admiring 42:36.634 --> 42:40.370 the view. The guy to my right points at my laptop and taps 42:41.235 --> 42:44.585 my laptop lid that I have a K-12 TechTalk sticker on it. He's like, 42:44.649 --> 42:48.672 man, I love that podcast. They have great content. 42:48.977 --> 42:52.006 They're real guys talking real education technology stuff. 42:52.279 --> 42:55.549 They're doing the work. It's really cool to listen to them. I send it 42:56.049 --> 42:58.995 to my team all the time and ask them to listen. Man, that's a great 42:59.011 --> 43:02.553 podcast. And I am sure I had 43:03.053 --> 43:04.685 a stupid grin on my face at that point. 43:05.263 -->

43:06.258 Mark and I are sure of 43:06.306 --> 43:06.707 that too. 43:07.092 --> 43:08.007 I'm, yeah, I'm sure. 43:08.072 --> 43:08.344 100%. 43:08.392 --> 43:12.228 100%. We know Josh is posting this 43:12.728 --> 43:13.368 on Facebook and on LinkedIn. 43:13.432 --> 43:14.475 Oh, yeah, it's already there. 43:14.652 --> 43:15.486 Is it already there? 43:15.775 --> 43:16.658 Yeah, it's already there. 43:16.899 --> 43:17.364 We already know. 43:18.423 --> 43:19.402 So I said, oh, 43:19.611 --> 43:23.447 really? I'm one of the co-hosts. And the guy's like, 43:23.463 --> 43:27.106 oh, that's so cool. And introduces himself, gives me his name. And turns 43:27.154 --> 43:31.598 out he's the North American lead for Workspace 43:32.098 --> 43:35.951 in education and Gemini in education. So super cool. 43:36.615 --> 43:39.948 And then did you wonder why when he walked away and then you see him 43:40.353 --> 43:42.794 hold his hand out to Chris and Chris gives him a $20 bill? 43:43.328 --> 43:43.473 No, 43:43.489 --> 43:45.947 he never— he didn't, he didn't know Chris was there. 43:47.951 --> 43:50.995 Mark, I told this story earlier and you had the best, you had the best 43:51.495 --> 43:54.683 comment. I should have asked him before I said I was one 43:55.183 --> 43:58.771 of the co-hosts. I should have asked him Which one of us was his favorite. 43:59.573 --> 44:02.349 You didn't, but you didn't ask him that. You had this shit-eating grin on your 44:02.381 --> 44:02.702 face. 44:03.263 --> 44:04.226 Oh, Mark! 44:04.563 --> 44:05.927 Because you had just gotten out 44:06.427 --> 44:06.922 of the Google bidet. 44:07.596 --> 44:09.633 Oh, so nice. Ho, ho, 44:10.002 --> 44:11.848 ho, it's magic. 44:12.088 --> 44:13.950 All right, 44:14.656 --> 44:17.415 we got, we got one more thing cooking, so I'll, I'll close this out. 44:17.480 --> 44:21.010 We have an interview coming up next with Managed Methods. We interviewed 44:21.510 --> 44:24.058 Skip, uh, talked about a lot of things with Managed Methods, so make sure you 44:24.558 --> 44:28.439 check out that interview. Uh, thanks for hanging out with us. A couple sponsors 44:28.471 --> 44:33.029 to give a quick shout out to. Fortinet, email fortinetpodcast@fortinet.com 44:33.529 --> 44:36.656 for the bidet and any other Forti thing that you have. Uh, check out 44:37.156 --> 44:40.090 ClassLink at classlink.com. Check out their Launchpad, OneSync, Analytics, 44:40.170 --> 44:43.861 Roster Server, and more. Uh, check out Extreme Networks, 44:43.877 --> 44:47.022 dmayer@extremenetworks.com, and NTP, 44:47.247 --> 44:51.259 David Wren over there, dwren@ntp-inc.com. But anyway, 44:51.339 --> 44:54.161 check out this interview with Managed Methods with Skip. 44:54.305 --> 44:54.962 Thanks for listening. 44:55.651 --> 44:57.382 All right, I am hanging out 44:57.494 --> 45:01.099 with Managed Methods, but not Managed Methods like the big entity. 45:01.212 --> 45:05.170 I'm hanging out with a particular person, a former

K-12 45:05.202 --> 45:07.173 tech, Skip Cooley. Skip, how's it going? 45:07.846 --> 45:08.807 Good. How you doing today? 45:09.352 --> 45:11.932 Good. We've known each other for a long time because you used to be a 45:12.432 --> 45:15.618 K-12 tech in Missouri. And then we poked fun at you, I know, 45:15.698 --> 45:19.322 because you went over to the dark side, the corporate side. You became, 45:19.852 --> 45:23.722 you became what we sometimes hate. But well, we can unpack that 45:24.222 --> 45:26.628 because you actually became one of the good guys that we have a good relationship. 45:26.709 --> 45:29.069 And that is, you went to manage methods. 45:30.145 --> 45:30.466 Yeah. 45:31.413 --> 45:33.966 You know, I made the move 45:33.998 --> 45:37.097 here to, you know, not only for my benefit, 45:37.210 --> 45:40.903 but also to be able to, you know, help give back and shape 45:41.403 --> 45:44.819 our products to, you know, better help people that are still 45:44.915 --> 45:45.814 in the trenches there. 45:46.696 --> 45:48.557 I like it. Tell me in a nutshell, 45:48.669 --> 45:51.445 tell me your K-12 tech before Managed Methods career. 45:52.038 --> 45:53.065 How many years, that kind of thing? 45:53.803 --> 45:56.193 Yeah, so I spent 8 years over on 45:56.290 --> 45:59.611 the, the tech, uh, K-12 tech side there. Um, 46:00.140 --> 46:03.766 the first couple years was just as a technician, and then I 46:04.086 --> 46:07.840 worked my way up to network admin. And then the last 46:08.340 --> 46:11.951 5 years I was doing all of that stuff, as well as a tech director 46:12.451 --> 46:13.638 for the Clinton School District. 46:14.264 --> 46:14.521 Awesome. 46:15.485 --> 46:16.224 And at some point, 46:16.272 --> 46:19.437 you're like, I'm getting out of here, guys. I'm gonna go 46:19.470 --> 46:20.445 to Manage Methods. 46:21.192 --> 46:21.452 Yep. 46:22.574 --> 46:26.111 I had, I had had enough. Of course, you know, they always say, 46:27.294 --> 46:30.356 they always say people don't leave jobs, they leave bosses. 46:30.470 --> 46:32.770 And so that was kind of the situation there. 46:34.387 --> 46:38.067 You know, and And then I'm sure a number 46:38.131 --> 46:42.227 of people are aware of Megan. So she left 46:42.727 --> 46:46.082 before I did. And then it was kind of one of 46:46.582 --> 46:50.804 those things like this place sucks without having somebody to kind 46:51.304 --> 46:54.097 of complain to and bear the load with. 46:54.193 --> 46:57.293 And so then I started looking 46:57.390 --> 47:01.229 and thankfully found, found a home here with Managed Methods. 47:01.566 --> 47:05.842 Yeah, we could probably do a whole segment just talking about— you just described 47:06.342 --> 47:08.989 like a lot of tech departments and how it's important to have a good team 47:09.489 --> 47:13.008 and good communication and all that kind of stuff. We could, we could 47:13.024 --> 47:14.978 probably go for a while on that if we wanted to. 47:15.607 --> 47:16.318 Absolutely. 47:16.641 --> 47:20.080 Yeah. I mean, if you've got somebody there with you 47:20.145 --> 47:24.388 to help break up the monotony 47:24.485 --> 47:26.680 and the insanity of the day to day, 47:27.688 --> 47:31.156 That goes a long way. So my, you know, 47:31.638 --> 47:35.138 my 5 years as a tech director was with 47:35.234 --> 47:39.505 Megan at my side as the instructional director. And so she 47:40.005 --> 47:43.777 got to deal with all of the teachers and all 47:44.277 --> 47:46.554 the stuff that I didn't want to deal with so that that way I could 47:47.054 --> 47:50.007 focus on keeping everything from burning down around us. 47:50.183 --> 47:52.351 And yep. 47:53.298 --> 47:56.639 I, uh, I've said this school year, like, I've— and I, 47:56.848 --> 47:59.740 I, I probably said it to myself in the mirror, like, 48:00.302 --> 48:03.434 I— we have to have a job that we enjoy. We have to 48:03.934 --> 48:06.920 have a job— I don't need to have fun every day, but I need to 48:07.048 --> 48:10.502 leave with some satisfaction that I did a good job. 48:10.582 --> 48:14.052 That, uh, and, and man, sometimes though, we're in the trenches of 48:14.116 --> 48:16.493 things that aren't— you don't get those feelings. 48:16.541 --> 48:16.622 Yeah. 48:17.087 --> 48:17.521 But again, 48:17.810 --> 48:21.573 you get through those days as a, as a K-12 tech. if you're working with 48:22.073 --> 48:25.188 people that can work alongside you and push you through that. Again, we could, 48:25.446 --> 48:28.722 man, we could just not talk about methods, Skip. We could just talk about that. 48:28.916 --> 48:29.029 Right. 48:29.094 --> 48:32.241 And try to give encouragement. So yeah, if you're listening, 48:32.273 --> 48:35.801 keep your chin up, keep your head up, and always find good community, 48:37.371 --> 48:39.377 whether that's within your school district, but around you. 48:39.782 --> 48:41.755 But enough about that. 48:43.275 --> 48:45.797 I guess before we even dig into what I know we want to talk about, 48:46.312 --> 48:49.392 Give me Managed Methods, like a 60-second version. 48:50.547 --> 48:54.157 What problem are you trying to solve for K-12 schools? What is Managed Methods kind 48:54.657 --> 48:54.349 of thing? 48:55.280 --> 48:57.927 Yeah, I mean, so our flagship product, 48:57.943 --> 49:02.082 Cloud Monitor, is really all about enhanced visibility, 49:02.836 --> 49:06.830 being able to audit and give you some enhanced control over 49:07.330 --> 49:10.536 your Google Workspace or Microsoft 365 environments. 49:11.643 --> 49:14.849 You know, we have, Scans that cover, you know, 49:15.330 --> 49:18.086 FERPA, IEP, PII, PCI. 49:18.951 --> 49:23.326 We also have scans that will do self-harm and toxicity, 49:23.519 --> 49:27.300 things like that. So student safety. We also 49:27.349 --> 49:30.714 do have a phishing machine learning model that helps 49:31.214 --> 49:34.624 identify spam and phishing and remediate those for you

49:34.656 --> 49:38.999 if you need to. Then of course, our Newer 49:39.144 --> 49:42.015 product, Content Filter and Cluster Manager, 49:42.079 --> 49:43.827 have been out for a couple of years now. 49:45.239 --> 49:48.752 And so those are pretty great, you know, to give you an 49:49.252 --> 49:52.906 affordable solution at that kind of stuff. And then 49:53.580 --> 49:57.590 we also just launched a new product yesterday that helps do 49:58.090 --> 49:59.867 administrative tasks called Cloud Admin. 50:00.702 --> 50:01.311 Yeah, and that's— 50:01.439 --> 50:01.568 we 50:01.824 --> 50:05.530 were barely talking about Cloud Admin before I pressed the record 50:06.030 --> 50:09.865 button, and I I think I'm kind of just going to throw my script 50:10.365 --> 50:12.403 out the window and I just want to talk to you about Cloud Admin because 50:13.399 --> 50:16.996 I guess tell us about that. So what is that thing that's brand spanking new, 50:17.013 --> 50:18.137 right? Yep. 50:18.699 --> 50:21.205 Yep. So we just launched it 50:21.429 --> 50:25.525 to customers yesterday. And so it's 50:26.025 --> 50:29.846 a new platform separate from our other ones and it works a 50:30.346 --> 50:34.406 little bit differently too. The access to it, you have to actually 50:34.502 --> 50:38.596 authorize the scopes every time you log in and then your login times 50:39.096 --> 50:39.944 out after 24 hours. 50:40.683 --> 50:40.939 Okay. 50:41.325 --> 50:43.267 And you do need to have a superuser 50:43.767 --> 50:47.408 account that you connect to it with. And then once you authorize those 50:47.585 --> 50:50.539 scopes and log in, then you're gonna be met with a dashboard. 50:51.678 --> 50:55.081 And right on the dashboard, one of my favorite things about it 50:55.386 --> 50:58.517 is that it has recent activity. And you would think, 50:58.533 --> 51:01.936 you know, okay, recent activity is gonna be like whatever I've done in 51:02.112 --> 51:05.580 here recently, but it's actually all of the recent activity 51:06.080 --> 51:07.812 that's happened in your Google Admin Console. 51:08.101 --> 51:08.936 Got it. 51:09.209 --> 51:09.595 So, 51:09.819 --> 51:13.288 you know, if you screw up on a read-only Friday and you go 51:13.788 --> 51:16.772 ahead and make a change and you come in on Monday and everything's on fire, 51:17.687 --> 51:20.320 you can come in there and see, okay, what did I do? Oh yeah, 51:20.336 --> 51:23.082 I did this. Okay, so then I can look at it and go, okay, 51:23.098 --> 51:26.759 now I gotta go back and undo that and, you know, set the world straight 51:27.259 --> 51:27.899 and be the hero of the week. 51:28.766 --> 51:30.838 Yeah. So, so yeah, what else does it 51:30.870 --> 51:31.095 do? 51:32.059 --> 51:34.131 And so then we've also got the ability 51:34.243 --> 51:38.147 to look at your users. You can drill down 51:38.404 --> 51:41.359 and, you know, by OU if you need to. 51:41.536 --> 51:44.459 Otherwise, you've got your users that you can search. 51:45.150 --> 51:48.330 Of course, there's individual controls, but then here you've 51:48.362 --> 51:51.976 also got the ability to do bulk actions. So if you 51:52.476 --> 51:56.008 need to bulk move users, you need to bulk suspend or unsuspend or delete, 51:56.072 --> 51:59.526 you can do that. You can also, one of 52:00.026 --> 52:03.848 the things that I always struggled with was removing pictures 52:03.961 --> 52:04.780 from an account. 52:04.844 --> 52:05.214 Mm-hmm. 52:05.326 --> 52:07.881 So if maybe a person puts an inappropriate picture 52:07.961 --> 52:11.480 as their profile photo, we show those right at 52:11.512 --> 52:14.934 the kind of the main section for users, and you can quickly 52:14.967 --> 52:17.939 click on their picture and remove that from their account. 52:19.224 --> 52:22.968 When you dive into a user, then you're actually gonna be met 52:23.064 --> 52:26.623 with you know, kind of all of the things that are connected to that 52:27.123 --> 52:30.997 account. So you're able to see, you know, not only the profile information, 52:31.013 --> 52:33.465 but you can see what groups, what classes, 52:33.978 --> 52:38.145 licenses, calendars, devices are 52:38.645 --> 52:41.494 all connected to them. And then of course you can, you know, add or remove 52:41.994 --> 52:46.205 any of those assignments. You also can see if there's any admin roles 52:46.253 --> 52:48.769 or aliases and you can add or remove those. 52:49.587 --> 52:53.578 And then we have a really cool activity page too within the users 52:53.610 --> 52:57.057 where you can actually— it kind of pulls in all of the log data 52:57.137 --> 53:00.439 for the account so you can actually see everything 53:00.939 --> 53:04.078 that they've been doing, all their sign-ins, files that they've touched, 53:04.575 --> 53:08.919 and then, you know, a lot of other things too. And then you 53:09.419 --> 53:12.141 can also see if it's an admin user, 53:12.750 --> 53:15.972 there's a section called Admin Actions by 53:16.472 --> 53:19.900 this user that will actually show you all of the admin actions that they've 53:20.400 --> 53:23.916 been taking there. you know, with their superuser credentials. 53:24.029 --> 53:27.250 So, you know, really nice way to be 53:27.750 --> 53:30.085 able to deep dive in and see activity on the users here. 53:30.990 --> 53:31.298 I feel 53:31.412 --> 53:35.292 like, Skip, I feel like I can tell that you used to be a K-12 53:35.325 --> 53:38.757 tech. You mentioned that you got to be a part of 53:39.257 --> 53:42.868 some of the development with this and to give the feedback and go through different 53:43.368 --> 53:46.913 things. That little quick list you just gave, that's a lot of stuff that I 53:47.413 --> 53:49.359 struggle to do in Google Admin Console today. 53:51.007 --> 53:54.788 Or I'm doing it with GAM, or I'm doing a whole lot of 53:55.288 --> 53:59.355 clicking in Google Admin Console, or I can't do it. Like, the picture 53:59.855

--> 54:01.005 thing is just a big old pain in the butt sometimes. 54:01.117 --> 54:03.056 So, yeah. Yeah. 54:03.104 --> 54:07.190 So I, you know, I got tasked 54:07.690 --> 54:11.260 with this project. So we had one dev that initially 54:11.372 --> 54:15.698 kind of kicked off the tires on it. Our lead 54:16.198 --> 54:19.449 developer, our head of our dev department, and said, hey, you know, 54:19.529 --> 54:22.915 let's, let's see what we can do to come up with an answer 54:23.415 --> 54:23.637 for GAM. 54:24.327 --> 54:24.745 Yep. 54:25.066 --> 54:26.606 You know, something that, that people 54:27.106 --> 54:30.538 can use that they don't have to deal with command line. And so, 54:31.340 --> 54:35.015 you know, Corey kind of kicked it off and then Fred took 54:35.515 --> 54:39.653 it over. And so Fred and I have been, you know, working exclusively 54:39.749 --> 54:43.200 on it. I've been doing all the testing with it. And then of course, 54:43.280 --> 54:47.227 all of the feature requests with it. And just 54:47.727 --> 54:50.580 kind of, you know, basically I'm like, hey, can we do this? Can we do 54:51.080 --> 54:55.024 this? Let's, let's do it. And then, you know, everything that 54:55.152 --> 54:59.179 he can get access to with the APIs, then we're 54:59.679 --> 55:03.270 doing it and making a nice, you know, nice interface for it so you 55:03.770 --> 55:05.083 don't have to deal with command line. 55:05.837 --> 55:07.136 Very cool. So that 55:07.636 --> 55:10.586 is called Cloud Admin. And I guess let me ask you this, do I have 55:10.650 --> 55:14.239 to have other managed method services to be able to use this thing? 55:15.318 --> 55:18.732 No, so it should be available. 55:19.103 --> 55:22.798 It will be available as a separate product. I don't know. 55:24.500 --> 55:29.197 I think they're doing pricing based off of like 55:29.697 --> 55:33.297 user counts. So it's like a tiered pricing. So it's not going to be necessarily 55:33.329 --> 55:37.453 per user. Other than that, I don't have any real details 55:37.953 --> 55:41.174 on Yep. I love it. You know, and then of course, 55:41.254 --> 55:44.718 users is just one of the many things that we have access to 55:45.218 --> 55:49.032 here. So, you know, then you've got, you know, 55:50.411 --> 55:54.099 group management, which you can do bulk, you know, 55:54.420 --> 55:57.852 bulk management as well as, you know, 55:57.868 --> 56:01.540 individual group, you can add, you know, multiple users to multiple 56:02.040 --> 56:05.140 groups. You can also, do group settings. 56:05.818 --> 56:10.401 And so, you know, you can do— if 56:10.901 --> 56:13.531 you've got like a couple of groups that you want to apply all the same 56:13.579 --> 56:16.864 settings, access and control settings to those groups, 56:17.331 --> 56:20.969 you just go in, click whatever groups you want, choose the access 56:21.469 --> 56:23.588 settings you want, and then it'll apply it to all those groups. 56:25.336 --> 56:28.239 You know, we've got org units, devices, of course, 56:29.508 --> 56:31.870 you know, bulk management of devices. 56:32.545 --> 56:36.224 Basically all the Google controls for devices you can see 56:36.724 --> 56:40.787 in there. You can start your remote sessions, do all of your deprovisioning. 56:41.061 --> 56:44.644 I mean, you know, if you want to reboot or wipe users. 56:46.025 --> 56:49.592 My thing was like, you know, I'd send my guys out to the buildings during 56:49.657 --> 56:53.641 the summertime, be like, hey, you know, we need to power wash all these devices 56:53.754 --> 56:57.142 in the carts. We need to make sure that you know, 56:58.153 --> 57:01.587 that everything's, you know, working. 'Cause of course everybody, 57:02.181 --> 57:05.423 you know, just throws the Chromebooks in the carts and doesn't bother to put in 57:05.551 --> 57:06.771 tickets to have 'em fixed. 57:06.835 --> 57:07.252 Yeah. 57:07.750 --> 57:08.953 So, you know, so here 57:09.001 --> 57:12.660 you can just drill down to whatever OU your devices are in and then 57:12.757 --> 57:16.271 just send a power wash command to all those devices 57:16.367 --> 57:20.058 with a couple of clicks and you're good to go. We've got shared 57:20.558 --> 57:24.024 calendar access. So those are always a, A struggle too for me, 57:25.920 --> 57:29.936 just because you get, you know, a principal or somebody that's created 57:30.436 --> 57:33.892 a calendar for activities or whatever for the building, they leave and then it's 57:34.392 --> 57:37.659 like, okay, well, who's got access? Who's the owner? You're able to 57:38.159 --> 57:41.539 come in, see those, you can add other people, you can transfer ownership. 57:43.695 --> 57:47.348 You know, we've got Google Vault in there, we've got Google Classroom controls. 57:48.397 --> 57:51.991 And one of the cool things about the classroom controls is you can actually 57:52.007 --> 57:56.050 go to like the student OU and then switch your filter 57:56.098 --> 57:59.564 to look for students as teachers. So if you 58:00.064 --> 58:03.623 want to see all of the classrooms that students are teachers on, you can quickly 58:04.313 --> 58:07.667 see that from the list view and then take all your actions that you would 58:08.167 --> 58:11.421 need to there. You can bulk add and remove users from 58:11.921 --> 58:15.673 the classrooms, of course, and you've even got the ability to add, you know, 58:15.689 --> 58:19.249 an entire OU or a whole group into 58:19.297 --> 58:22.424 a classroom there too. So not just individual user. 58:23.771 --> 58:27.443 And then we've got the other— one of the other pain 58:27.539 --> 58:30.394 points for me was the allowed list in Google. 58:31.243 --> 58:34.531 So the allow listed domains there, you know, 58:34.547 --> 58:37.770 it was always like, okay, you got to go into Gmail and you got to 58:37.818 --> 58:41.490 try and find that group or whatever. So they 58:41.990 --> 58:45.548 actually— Google had

just put out an API a few weeks ago for the allow 58:45.677 --> 58:49.370 listed domains. So we've got a section in there where you can just go 58:49.870 --> 58:52.453 right to it, you can see your list, you can add and remove things from 58:52.565 --> 58:55.728 it. And, you know, it is where it is, it's not gonna 58:56.228 --> 58:58.249 move, it's not, you know, like it's not hidden. 58:58.923 --> 58:59.228 Yep. 58:59.710 --> 59:03.114 You know, we're not Google, we're not, we're trying to make everything as easy and 59:03.614 --> 59:07.225 user-friendly as possible. So that's right there for 59:07.273 --> 59:08.622 you to be able to use. 59:10.834 --> 59:13.441 You've got the ability to see admin roles, create, 59:13.457 --> 59:16.764 modify those, do data transfers. 59:18.110 --> 59:21.521 And then, of course, we've got bulk operations as well. So you can, you know, 59:21.618 --> 59:24.576 import users, groups, devices, 59:25.401 --> 59:28.697 do all of your CSV updating if you want to that way too. 59:28.810 --> 59:30.778 And then, of course, you can export there as well. 59:32.585 --> 59:32.860 I like 59:33.360 --> 59:32.956 it. 59:33.473 --> 59:34.828 So it's called Cloud Admin. 59:36.216 --> 59:37.077 And I would just 59:37.577 --> 59:41.196 say probably, right, Skip, they should go to managedmethods.com. I know you 59:41.696 --> 59:45.131 can click contact and I'm sure eventually reach 59:45.631 --> 59:48.195 out for a trial if you need to do that kind of thing. So check 59:48.695 --> 59:51.914 out their Cloud Admin product at managemethods.com 59:52.414 --> 59:56.491 and also the Cloud Monitor, the Content Filter, and the Classroom Manager as well. 59:56.718 --> 59:59.427 Skip, let me put you in the hot seat just a little bit and ask 59:59.460 --> 01:00:01.248 you some questions. So what are you guys seeing, 01:00:03.215 --> 01:00:06.773 I guess, as the biggest things happening to 01:00:06.789 --> 01:00:10.229 customers security risk-wise? What are you seeing 01:00:10.261 --> 01:00:13.927 that's different? I don't know, this school year compared to previous kind of thing? 01:00:16.428 --> 01:00:19.967 I'd say phishing is still, you know, it kind 01:00:20.467 --> 01:00:24.180 of started around the beginning of the year, sort of mid-school year last year. 01:00:24.566 --> 01:00:28.197 And it's, you know, still, still raging hard. 01:00:28.245 --> 01:00:32.422 Everybody's still battling it. And which is one of the reasons 01:00:32.922 --> 01:00:36.189 why we, you know, came out with our phishing model to help, 01:00:36.751 --> 01:00:39.369 help users, you know, districts combat those. 01:00:40.526 --> 01:00:43.304 So that's obviously that. I think— I don't think that's going to go away. 01:00:44.621 --> 01:00:47.962 You know, AI has just made it all that more, much more 01:00:48.058 --> 01:00:51.254 accessible for bad actors 01:00:51.351 --> 01:00:52.170 and stuff. So— 01:00:52.331 --> 01:00:54.740 That was going to be my follow-up. 01:00:55.222 --> 01:00:59.092 I mean, and I guess you're experiencing that because in schools we're seeing that AI 01:00:59.592 --> 01:01:02.205 is changing the game a little bit. for what the bad guys are capable of 01:01:02.705 --> 01:01:02.494 doing. 01:01:03.311 --> 01:01:03.424 Yep. 01:01:04.209 --> 01:01:06.037 Yeah, definitely. You know, 01:01:06.053 --> 01:01:10.190 it makes the, it makes the phishing emails, 01:01:11.264 --> 01:01:14.439 I'd say, more, I guess, more customized, 01:01:14.535 --> 01:01:17.694 obviously. But then it just allows them to, 01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:21.590 you know, push out so many more than what 01:01:22.090 --> 01:01:25.743 they would normally. So, and I actually, I did hear of one 01:01:25.855 --> 01:01:28.709 district, and this was the only time I've ever heard about this, 01:01:29.946 --> 01:01:33.127 Is that they actually found somebody 01:01:33.545 --> 01:01:36.758 that had, like, had gotten in. They had set 01:01:37.258 --> 01:01:41.241 up like an AI or something in there to basically just absorb everything, 01:01:41.369 --> 01:01:44.743 and it sat in their environment for like 7 or 8 months. 01:01:45.353 --> 01:01:48.936 And then when they were finally ready, then they used all 01:01:49.065 --> 01:01:52.889 the data that they had gathered to send out phishing emails 01:01:53.644 --> 01:01:57.209 that actually even contained legitimate files 01:01:58.060 --> 01:02:02.074 that it had, you know, harvested to be able to help trick 01:02:02.574 --> 01:02:05.398 people into, you know, falling for those phishing attacks. 01:02:06.345 --> 01:02:10.359 So which, you know, stuff like that is— I think that's kind of everybody's 01:02:10.664 --> 01:02:14.293 worst nightmare and worst fear as a, you know, a tech director sitting 01:02:14.793 --> 01:02:17.424 there is, oh gosh, you know, like— 01:02:17.472 --> 01:02:18.179 Yeah, the days, 01:02:18.435 --> 01:02:22.000 you know, the many, many years ago, if If I was trying to, 01:02:22.691 --> 01:02:25.919 you know, give some, give some PD on how 01:02:26.419 --> 01:02:29.758 to look at an email, you know, you would say, look for typos and look 01:02:30.258 --> 01:02:32.793 for sentences that don't quite sound right. You know, that kind of thing. And, 01:02:32.986 --> 01:02:36.728 and I always, uh, whatever, had that thought, 01:02:36.744 --> 01:02:40.182 had that vibe, whatever. Like sometimes it felt like the bad 01:02:40.214 --> 01:02:44.197 guy gives the typos because 01:02:44.229 --> 01:02:47.778 if, if whatever, if, if you're the dummy that's gonna 01:02:48.003 --> 01:02:51.311 reply to the email with all the typos. then you're the dummy. Like, 01:02:51.439 --> 01:02:54.986 you know what I mean? That's the good one to get. So let's give 01:02:55.486 --> 01:02:58.806 typos and let's give sentences that don't make any sense, because if that person replies 01:02:58.838 --> 01:03:01.742 to this, you know, we got a winner here. 01:03:02.047 --> 01:03:02.785 Sure, sure

thing. 01:03:02.834 --> 01:03:04.487 That game is totally different now. 01:03:04.775 --> 01:03:05.337 Now it's very 01:03:05.837 --> 01:03:09.413 sophisticated. Now it looks like a real email. And what you just described, 01:03:09.429 --> 01:03:12.944 that's a crazy— that's planning and that's 01:03:13.444 --> 01:03:16.699 some strategy involved on what those attacks are gonna look like. 01:03:16.780 --> 01:03:19.044 when, you know, when that bad guy's ready to go. So. 01:03:19.928 --> 01:03:20.185 Right. 01:03:20.570 --> 01:03:24.007 Yeah, I mean, that, that guy was obviously playing the long game, 01:03:24.120 --> 01:03:27.445 which also kind of has you wondering, 01:03:27.493 --> 01:03:30.850 because I'm sure that wasn't the only district that he had, you know, 01:03:31.011 --> 01:03:34.464 that they had planted stuff in. So like, how many of those are out 01:03:34.964 --> 01:03:38.078 there? Because I'm sure it's something that, you know, is probably kind of on a 01:03:38.578 --> 01:03:42.158 rolling cadence that they go through and, you know, go through all that stuff. 01:03:42.206 --> 01:03:45.225 So Um, that kind of stuff is, you know, 01:03:45.626 --> 01:03:49.062 the things that nightmares are made of, but they're unfortunately 01:03:49.319 --> 01:03:50.427 real and do happen. 01:03:50.925 --> 01:03:52.562 Yeah. All right, here's your other hot 01:03:53.062 --> 01:03:55.180 seat question. And we— I, I bet we kind of poked at it at the 01:03:55.680 --> 01:03:58.953 beginning, but, uh, looking back on your career so 01:03:59.049 --> 01:04:02.871 far, your experiences, uh, if, if, if I'm listening 01:04:02.903 --> 01:04:06.644 to this and I'm new to K-12 tech and maybe my school year is 01:04:06.740 --> 01:04:10.023 not going that great, What advice or tips would you 01:04:10.121 --> 01:04:13.679 give me as I'm getting started in my, in my K-12 tech life? 01:04:15.128 --> 01:04:18.747 Run. No, I mean, 01:04:19.328 --> 01:04:22.996 you know, it wasn't— the last couple of years were kind 01:04:23.496 --> 01:04:27.071 of rough. But I would say, you know, just keep at it. 01:04:28.154 --> 01:04:32.327 You know, we're there to support education, 01:04:32.521 --> 01:04:35.992 you know, to support the teachers. You know, support the 01:04:36.492 --> 01:04:39.765 staff, even though they drive us crazy day in and day 01:04:39.781 --> 01:04:42.238 out. You know, you're doing a good thing. 01:04:42.511 --> 01:04:45.899 Yeah, we can go, you know, we always talk about going to 01:04:46.399 --> 01:04:49.993 the other side and making more money, which money is great. 01:04:50.298 --> 01:04:53.911 But, you know, being able to say that, you know, you're somebody 01:04:54.411 --> 01:04:57.797 there that's kind of the front line of defense and sometimes the last 01:04:57.845 --> 01:05:01.038 line of defense or the whole defense. you know, 01:05:01.054 --> 01:05:04.607 for an entire group of people or a community there in the school 01:05:05.107 --> 01:05:08.547 district is something that's pretty cool and pretty special because, 01:05:09.451 --> 01:05:12.415 you know, not everybody, not everybody can do that. 01:05:14.138 --> 01:05:17.229 It takes, it takes some special people to be able to, 01:05:17.680 --> 01:05:22.747 you know, go into those environments and deal with those people and put 01:05:23.247 --> 01:05:25.590 up with all the things that you guys do that we did, you know. 01:05:26.969 --> 01:05:30.559 So hang in there, you know, you're, you're fighting the good fight, 01:05:30.864 --> 01:05:34.872 um, and people do appreciate it even if they don't 01:05:34.968 --> 01:05:37.292 always say so or don't always seem like it. 01:05:38.495 --> 01:05:41.637 Love it. Skip, I appreciated you as a K-12 tech, 01:05:42.037 --> 01:05:45.388 uh, and I still appreciate and respect you, uh, even though you 01:05:45.888 --> 01:05:48.706 work for Managed Methods now. So thanks for hanging out with me today. Again, 01:05:48.754 --> 01:05:52.040 check out managedmethods.com, in particular, uh, 01:05:52.121 --> 01:05:55.708 the new Yeah, 01:05:55.758 --> 01:05:56.124 thank you. 01:06:09.301 --> 01:06:12.721 The views and opinions expressed on the K-12 TechTalk podcast are the personal 01:06:13.221 --> 01:06:16.560 opinions of Josh, Chris, and Mark and do not represent the views or opinions of 01:06:17.060 --> 01:06:20.563 our sponsors or other organizations that we're affiliated with. The material 01:06:21.063 --> 01:06:24.312 and information presented here is for general information and entertainment purposes only. 01:06:24.907 --> 01:06:26.420 Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next week. 01:06:27.160 --> 01:06:28.367 We were buying words by 01:06:28.447 --> 01:06:32.437 the phrase a little bit and selling songs 01:06:32.502 --> 01:06:33.805 just to stay in the queue.