Pt. 2 Vatican 2, Geopolitics, the CIA & the Jesuits - Wemhoff's Book (Half)의 전체 녹취록

wasn't already liberal, but to redefine it 68 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:15.600 in such a way that it could be used as 69 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:19.360 an engine of the wasp, skull and bones establishment. 70 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:25.360 What does he come up with? The liberal tradition? What 71 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:35.120 is this? Let's let Henry Loose himself explain what this is. 72 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:44.480 Lu said, America is the supreme embodiment of the tradition. 73 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:48.800 Garibaldi wrote that Abraham Lincoln spoke of our country as 74 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:53.720 the apostle of liberty, the harbinger of progress. Note the 75 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:56.240 religious language, the apostle of liberty. 76 00:06:57.279 --> 00:06:57.959 This is loose. 77 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:02.040 Still, America is the great and magnetic hope and example 78 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:04.680 for the world. It will draw to herself all who 79 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:09.720 wish to make Europe at last beautiful and free, the 80 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:12.920 last great effort being made to establish the liberal tradition 81 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:17.879 that is political freedom, equality justice, freedom of thought, freedom 82 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:22.519 of opinion, common decency, the rights of men and women. 83 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:25.759 Excuse me, common decency, the rights of men and men. 84 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:30.600 It is a very close battle. The odds are as 85 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:33.879 far as we can see, about fifty to fifty. So 86 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:37.720 he's saying this, I guess right before like World War two. Right, 87 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:43.600 So basically it's just saying that America is the only 88 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:50.519 hope for the world. The American mythos is French revolutionary 89 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:53.120 enlightenment BS. 90 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:57.920 Generic things. Freedom of. 91 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:04.639 Is freedom of political freedom, freedom of ideas, equal justice, 92 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:09.759 freedom of opinion, common decency. 93 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:11.959 What are you talking about? Right? 94 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:15.040 But again, remember from the propaganda standpoint, one of the 95 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:15.879 basic rules of. 96 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:16.759 Propaganda is. 97 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:23.000 Use the most generic possible slogans because that allows everybody 98 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:25.040 to interpret the slogans anyway they want. 99 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:25.439 Right. 100 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:27.519 You don't want to use a lot of high level 101 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:29.920 precision in your propaganda. 102 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:32.159 Just keep it dumb, dude, because the. 103 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:35.759 More generic and catchy it is, the easier it is 104 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:38.960 to bring people in because they can read into it 105 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:39.679 whatever they want. 106 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:42.240 Right. Just think of the social justice. 107 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:45.759 Type things, right, same principle here. All the social justice 108 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:54.240 stuff is is the latest incarnation of this stuff. Loose 109 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:57.840 believe that the United States Constitution is the Liberal tradition. 110 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:01.159 As a corollary of his belief in the Constitution, Henry 111 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:07.480 Luce believed that business is essentially civilization. Business is life. Yes, 112 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:10.639 you heard me, business church. You think I'm joking when 113 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:13.120 I talk about business church, I'm not joking when I 114 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:16.759 talk about I'm saying that the real church is Business 115 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:27.519 is mannon so here, through media is one of the 116 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:33.000 most powerful men in the world at this time, the 117 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:36.960 voice of skull and Bones, the voice of the oss, 118 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:46.799 the projector of the four Freedoms to the world, essentially 119 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:57.559 saying that Leo the thirteen, in his encyclical condemning the 120 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:02.919 Enlightenment principles, has to go away. The new freedoms that 121 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:12.200 must be accepted. Uh, oh, guess what they're the freedoms liberty, equality, fraternity, 122 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:15.960 social justice. 123 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:19.960 Where have we heard that before? Oh, that's the Masonic freedoms. 124 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:21.639 And if he's in. 125 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:25.080 Skulling bones, what is skull and bones? Oh, that's Lodge 126 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:30.840 three two two. Lodge three two two is the Germanic 127 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:34.159 order of skull and Bones. The lodge of skull and 128 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:41.200 Bones originates there, which is teaching the four freedoms of freemasonry, 129 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:48.000 condemned by Potelar the thirteenth. So notice American Enlightenment Freemasonry 130 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:53.039 embodied in the skull and Bones dictum, the four freedoms. 131 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:58.159 Henry Loose is oss oss is skull and bones. Henry 132 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:00.960 Loos is skull and bones, Skull and bone lodge three 133 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:06.799 to two to two. That's masonic. It's not rocket. 134 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:09.159 Science we're doing here. It's not that hard to figure out. 135 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:14.320 Next we have to talk about we're at two hours. 136 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:18.919 But next we have to talk about Halfred mckinder, the 137 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:26.080 Heartland Theory, the classic geopolitical analysis, the Milner Group, Rhodes 138 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:29.639 Rothschild

Milner, the Society of the Elect that's the secret 139 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:33.440 society that was set up to create the Anglo American 140 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:36.759 Empire establishment. We will go into his chapter on this, 141 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:40.200 but basically this is just a chapter summarizing what you 142 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:42.720 heard me do on my lectures on If you've not 143 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:46.919 heard the quickly Tragian Hope and Anglo American Establishment lectures, 144 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:49.399 go listen to those. Subscribe at my site to hear 145 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:53.039 all those. But that will be where he goes next 146 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:58.080 and he will talk about the birth of the Anglo 147 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:05.799 American project prior to World War One with Rawchild, Rhodes Milner, 148 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:10.399 the Roundtable groups. This will be the plan not just 149 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:16.440 for the waning British imperium, but the packs Americana to 150 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:21.559 take over, to be the engine of the Anglo American establishment. 151 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:28.159 And yes, the State of Israel will play a role 152 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:33.519 in that. Obviously, Remember the British Empire was already a 153 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:34.840 world power prior. 154 00:12:34.559 --> 00:12:36.519 To the establishment of the State of Israel. 155 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:39.080 Yes, I know about the Balfour Declaration, I know about 156 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:40.039 Sykes Pico Treaty. 157 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:40.919 I know about all that stuff. 158 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:44.000 We'll get to that, but suffice to say that for 159 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:47.600 part one, we will end it there because we've covered 160 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:48.639 a lot of meat here. 161 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:50.480 But I hope you get the point here. 162 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:53.720 The point of what we're saying with this is that 163 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:57.840 it's not as simple as saying that like the Vatican 164 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:03.080 was subverted by Freemasons. Venari's Ault of Indida document shows 165 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:07.120 that the Alt of Indida Lodge took over the papacy. 166 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:09.279 It's it's more than that. 167 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:14.559 Okay, there's power players like the Anglo American establishment, the CIA, 168 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:18.799 who co opt openly the Roman Catholic Church. We don't 169 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:23.279 have to resort to up to obscure Masonic conspiracies. We 170 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:31.200 already know what happened, okay, and it's clear in this book. So, uh, 171 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:33.519 we're gonna do this book next. We're gonna we're gonna 172 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.240 work our way through all of it. Please, if you 173 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:39.600 do want to get into it, I recommend the book. 174 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:41.240 I know not everybody has time to read an eight 175 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:45.279 hundred page book, but definitely, Uh, it's eight hundred pages, 176 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:49.559 one thousand plus footnotes. We're gonna be getting into the CFR, 177 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:52.519 We're gonna be getting into Cold War. We're gonna be 178 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:56.919 getting into Russia. We're gonna be getting into radio liberty 179 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:00.159 now that's a CIA operation during the Cold War, or 180 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:03.639 how it's related to the Callolic Church, spies and high 181 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:06.200 places we're gonna get in. I mean, this book is wild. 182 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:07.919 We're gonna get into Hollywood. There's a whole section of 183 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:13.039 this book on Hollywood. So it's bigger than we oftentimes assume, 184 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:17.919 and it does the convenient narrative of one bad guy 185 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:20.679 is not true, and the trads are just going to 186 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:23.799 have to come to grips with that. Or they can 187 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:28.799 just continue melting away in their collapsing entity known as 188 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:30.759 the Roman Calluy Church if they choose to that's what 189 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:31.320 they want to do. 190 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:34.679 So I said that we would do also Q and A. 191 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.919 So I'm in a good mood and I'm enjoying talking 192 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:42.200 about this material. And if anybody wants to hop on 193 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:47.360 in the discord, feel free to. You can go into 194 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:50.159 the discord and ask questions about the material that we 195 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:51.639 covered today, theological questions. 196 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:53.320 I don't care what you want to talk about. 197 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:57.440 If you get too ridiculous, I'll just kick you out. 198 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:00.320 So don't waste my time or anybody's time with stupid stuff. 199 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:05.759 So let me pull up the discord here as I 200 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:08.519 answer the superchats. So we got a few superchats here. 201 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:18.519 Thank you guys for those superchats. So m curry, we 202 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:32.080 explained what wasp was. Ross, thank you for that twenty dollars. 203 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:36.879 Nice twenty bucks from old Ross there. I don't know 204 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:40.600 who Ross is, but thank you Ross. Is that Ross 205 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:44.879 from friends? Thank you Ross from friends? A ten dollars, 206 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:47.960 Thank you A. Let's get ten bucks from every letter 207 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:50.919 in the alphabet and then we'll be set for this week. 208 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:57.799 Compay all the bills. Schopenhauer's

bunny. I like that Schopenhower's bunny. 209 00:15:57.840 --> 00:15:59.480 I don't have a question. I just wanted to support 210 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:05.600 you much appreciated. Thank you for that taco three dollars. 211 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:10.480 Great information. But do impressions more often now we typically 212 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:13.519 kind of divide the streams up, you know, like what 213 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:16.240 We're gonna be doing a soprano stream pretty soon, so 214 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:18.360 that will be rife with impressions. I'm gonna try to 215 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:21.480 impress I present everybody. I've got Polly Good, I've got 216 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:23.279 Tony Good, I've got Christopher pretty good. 217 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:25.120 Uh. 218 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:28.799 I guess that's like the main ones. But yeah, so. 219 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:33.919 We'll have a lot of fun with that sopranos analysis 220 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:36.399 because that was it was great shows on my favorite shows. 221 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:38.759 I loved it. I was happy with the ending. I 222 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:39.919 thought it ended really cool. 223 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:45.519 Anyway, So when we do that or when we do 224 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:49.840 the more jokey streams, there's a lot more impressions in those. 225 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:52.840 So but thank you for that three dollars taco jack 226 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:56.080 for three bucks, say is what is the purpose of 227 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:59.960 riots and violence? This is a strategy of control Ko. 228 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:02.919 So if you read there's. 229 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:07.680 A great essay at Global Research by Andrew Marshall, young 230 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:10.799 guy around my age, but he wrote a book or 231 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:13.720 a long essay called Arc of Crisis, and it's about 232 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:17.720 Brazinski's model of control chaos. So if you want to 233 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:21.440 understand the purpose of riots and violence, go read Andrew 234 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:27.359 Marshall's essay Arc of Crisis about Brazenski. But essentially it 235 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:37.599 just serves to propel thesis, antithesis, synthesis. Right, Dorman three sixty, 236 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:41.519 you may be right about the subversion of the Latins, 237 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:44.960 but you're too mean to debate. Yeah, sure, okay, thank you, 238 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:46.039 Dorman three sixty. 239 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:47.960 I'll take that. I'm too mean, you know whatever. 240 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:51.559 Hey, we just had trads all day hanging out in 241 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:56.599 my discord. Nobody got mad. It was perfectly civil. We 242 00:17:56.680 --> 00:18:00.440 talked for three hours to multiple two least two or 243 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:04.400 three different trades. So it's not the case that everybody 244 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:07.039 is that I'm mean to everybody. 245 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:09.440 All this kind of nonsense. And imagine the people who 246 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:09.720 are the. 247 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:12.720 Old we're the Church of the Crusaders, We're the crusading Knights. 248 00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:15.079 And then you turn around and your butt hurt because 249 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:17.839 supposedly I'm mean. I thought you were a crusader. Bro 250 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:21.160 I thought you're a crusader. You're LARPing as a knight, 251 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:22.680 but you're mad because I'm mean. 252 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:25.279 All right, So there's a super chat. So we got 253 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:26.720 four hundred people. Welcome everybody. 254 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:28.680 Thank you for those and feel free to uh yeah, 255 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:32.519 you're gonna like the Paul impression. It's it's gonna be 256 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:35.240 on point. But we'll save that for the soprano string 257 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:38.279 that Jamie and I will do. So come to the 258 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:41.799 general chat in the discord if you want to let 259 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:44.799 me add the discord here. We'll probably get an influx 260 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:48.480 of lunatics. Not everybody. I love you guys, you're not 261 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:52.039 a lunatics, but I'm sure some of you guys are lunatics. 262 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:54.240 So we'll have to vet the lunatics out of here. 263 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:03.799 So get the discord link ready and then I'll open 264 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:07.519 up discord here and we can do a Q and a. 265 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:10.640 M h. 266 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:14.440 M hmm. 267 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:26.200 All right. Gredo are you there? Yes, I am Grado. 268 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:29.119 He's a good friend from Australia. 269 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:32.920 I'm here to ask ask the questions and getting them. 270 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:33.880 Tell you yeah. 271 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:37.960 Here, he's here to do his best Mail Gibson impression. 272 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:42.039 He's doing Meil Gibson, Meil Gibson impassinating Grido. 273 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:46.160 If I do it Mel Gibson impersonation, they'll shut down 274 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:47.839 the discord and ban you from YouTube. 275 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:53.079 Okay, Well, in that case, is there anybody who wants 276 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:54.920 to do Q and A. If not, we don't have to. 277 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:57.400 But if there is, is there anybody. 278 00:19:58.519 --> 00:20:00.440 Uh kind of. 279 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:01.640 Have a few questions? 280 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:14.039 Okay, j Ashtown, Yes you can ask them. 281 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:22.440 Okay, Yeah, you were talking about natural law and like 282 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:27.119 something and not really too familiar with the issue. If

283 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:31.559 you could just swing quickly what's wrong exactly with natural. 284 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:33.240 Raw and what you're like? 285 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:37.839 The Orthodox position is that that it'd be that would 286 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:40.880 be dandy, all right. 287 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:46.039 So the easiest best explanation for this is I'm gonna 288 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:46.599 tell you too. 289 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:46.839 Now. 290 00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:49.480 I've got it linked at my website. There's there's one chapter. 291 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:55.880 It's an essay called uh Knowledge. It's called the Knowledge 292 00:20:57.240 --> 00:21:00.599 the Theory of Knowledge of Saint Isaac the Syrian. Okay, 293 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:04.759 and this is an essay that is in this excellent book. 294 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:08.039 I recommend the whole book of Orthodox Faith in Life 295 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:11.559 in Christ by Saint Justin Popovich, because he not only 296 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:15.519 does he critique the papacy and the humanism of the papacy. 297 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:17.000 But he has a whole. 298 00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:19.759 Chapter called the Theory of Knowledge of Isaac the Syrian, 299 00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:23.319 and Isaac the Syrian, who is obviously a saint the 300 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:27.359 Orthodox Church, has the same epistemology as Saint Maximus. So 301 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:30.599 the doctrine is based on the doctrine of the Logi. 302 00:21:31.759 --> 00:21:33.079 And so what he's going to do in this. 303 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:36.240 Chapter is talk about how as Orthodox we don't have 304 00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:40.720 the tonistic doctrine of natural theology because Maximus doesn't teach 305 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:43.079 natural theology. So what we're saying here is not that 306 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:46.599 there's no such thing as nature. It's not that nature 307 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:50.720 doesn't teach us God. It's that nature doesn't teach us 308 00:21:50.799 --> 00:21:55.200 generic theism. Nature teaches us Christ. And no one who 309 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:59.960 believes in natural theology believes that nature teaches Jesus because 310 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:06.000 Jesus the Trinity. All that stuff in Tomism is an afterthought. 311 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:09.319 That's something that you prove after you've proven and stacked 312 00:22:09.400 --> 00:22:11.359 up this stuff of natural theology. 313 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:12.880 So what is natural theology? 314 00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:17.440 Natural theology is autonomous man reasoning an in a sphere 315 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:22.039 apart from revelation. According to Fetus at ratio of John 316 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:24.720 Paul the I, it's not based on revelation. It makes 317 00:22:24.759 --> 00:22:29.079 no reference to reveal theology. It's man reasoning only from 318 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:31.559 created

mental principles about the world. 319 00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:33.240 So we're gonna. 320 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:37.240 Reason about the external world, causation, te loos, purpose, the 321 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:39.640 beginning of the world, et cetera, how it came to be. 322 00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:43.519 And it's all a bunch of nonsense. Why because it 323 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:47.519 starts with the peripatetic axiom that nothing is in the 324 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:52.200 intellect that's not first in the senses. Okay, that no 325 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:55.960 one can defend that position anymore, because at the time 326 00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:59.960 of the Enlightenment it gets critiqued into devastation, it gets destroyed. 327 00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:02.559 Now, how can I prove all this very easily? 328 00:23:04.119 --> 00:23:07.720 Can you interpret the world as it is right now 329 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:13.559 without making reference to the fall? Now, if you believe 330 00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:18.240 in natural theology, yes, you can derive all these principles 331 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:21.519 about the operation of the natural world merely. 332 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:25.960 By sense data, without any reference to revelation. So but 333 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:26.640 wait a minute. 334 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:28.720 When I do that and I look out at the world, 335 00:23:28.759 --> 00:23:32.400 I notice there's things like death and decay, predator and prey. 336 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:40.079 Is the predator prey slash death feature of the world natural? Now, 337 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:43.640 most Thomas are probably going to say something like, yes, 338 00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:47.680 there's a natural process that occurs in relationship to death. 339 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:54.240 Now, well, wait a minute, Paul says, death is the enemy. 340 00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:59.480 Death entered because of the fall. So you can't interpret 341 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:03.160 the world as it is right now without the doctrine 342 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:07.119 of revelation, namely that it was created and that the 343 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:09.279 reason that the world is in the state that it 344 00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:12.839 is right now is because of the fall. So the predator, prey, 345 00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:20.839 death aspect of the world is not natural. Thus, Saint 346 00:24:20.920 --> 00:24:25.880 Maximus can say, grace and virtue are the most natural 347 00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:29.079 things to man. There's nothing more natural to man than grace. 348 00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:34.359 So we don't have this nature grace dichotomy that they have. 349 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:38.960 We don't have this natural theology revealed theology type of system. 350 00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:44.279 The natural world is the same content as revealed theology. 351 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:47.799 It's just two different modes. So what's the meaning of 352 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:50.720

scripture the logi of Christ. What's the meaning of the 353 00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:54.079 natural world the logi of Christ? How do they differ? 354 00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:57.119 It's two different modes or mediums or methods. So the 355 00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:01.200 Bible is a bunch of written texts about Jesus. Ultimately, 356 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:05.400 the natural world is a bunch of animals and sticks 357 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:09.400 and birds and stones about Jesus. That's what Maximus teaches. 358 00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:11.799 That's the whole point of the Logi doctrine. That's the 359 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:15.599 whole point of this chapter about the Logi doctrine, that 360 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:21.240 it's not natural theology from Tunism. Does that make sense? 361 00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:24.519 Yeah? 362 00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:26.119 No, I think I get a little bit of that. 363 00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:33.039 So the very first chapter of Experience of God by 364 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:39.200 stun Eloy, he starts his systematic theology with this what 365 00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:45.000 I'm saying for the Orthodox there is no distinction between 366 00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:51.440 supernatural grace and nature per se. There is a distinction, 367 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:53.519 but not a distinction the way that the Roman Catholics 368 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:53.799 say it. 369 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:56.839 We don't believe in natural theology. He says, it's. 370 00:25:56.519 --> 00:25:59.799 More appropriate to call what we believe in natural revelation. 371 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:02.000 And he says, how is that the case? 372 00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:02.880 Where does he go to? 373 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:07.000 First Maximus? The first thing he appeals to is Maximus 374 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:11.160 and the Logi. Because nature is not an uninterpreted brute 375 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:15.599 fact that comes to you without any theory. Nature is 376 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:18.920 what the Logos created it to be. Therefore, it can 377 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:23.000 only be interpreted and understood according to its logie in Christ. 378 00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:29.759 So it's impossible to believe in natural theology. Hence wistan 379 00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:34.279 Neela correctly calls it natural revelation. I mean, another way 380 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:37.039 I can prove this is that if you believe in 381 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:41.519 natural theology, then you literally believe you literally believe that. 382 00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:47.079 In Romans One, when Paul talks about the knowledge of 383 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:51.839 God that all men possess, they literally execute that as 384 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:57.799 Aristotelian syllogisms. No, Paul is not talking about Aristotelian syllogisms 385 00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:01.200 and Romans one, he's talking about the news. The heart 386 00:27:01.279 --> 00:27:04.799 of man is guilty because all men know in their 387 00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:07.680 hearts that there's one true God. Has nothing to do 388 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:11.799 with Aristotle syllogisms. And so the whole tonistic exegesis of 389 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:13.799 what Romans one is talking about is absurd. 390 00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:26.960 Thank you, j Sorry, I was gonna make it a question. 391 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:30.079 How do we define all hard was going to say, Jay, 392 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:31.200 how do we define. 393 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:34.920 God's omnipotence and orthodoxy so that the ability to cause 394 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.720 to find persons is us not held by all the 395 00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:39.799 members of the Trinity. 396 00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:41.640 Oh, that's a good question. 397 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.720 Yeah, So somebody might say sometimes Thomas say this, They say. 398 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:50.119 Every or even I've even heard Muslims make this argument. 399 00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:52.960 They'll say that every person in the Trinity has to 400 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:57.000 have everything in common or one of them would lack. So, 401 00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:00.640 for example, if we say that the Father alone is 402 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:05.799 the cause of the Godhead, then somehow the Son and 403 00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:08.400 the Spirit would be subordinated because they lack the power 404 00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:11.160 of causing. Well, the first thing that we would say 405 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:13.440 is that, if you read the compendotionans, the power of 406 00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:19.759 causing is not a it's what we call a hypostatic property. 407 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:23.319 So it's not a natural property. So anything that we're 408 00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:27.960 going to say is a power common to the person's 409 00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:31.079 is an attribute or a power that's proper. 410 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:31.759 To the divine nature. 411 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:36.200 So the power to create the world, the power to 412 00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:40.319 show divine justice, divine mercy, divine love, those are all 413 00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:43.319 common to the Godhead, and so they're therefore properties or 414 00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:49.000 attributes that are natural to God. But hyposthetic properties are 415 00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:52.160 different because they're the only properties that we believe as 416 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:56.759 Orthodox from the Cappadocians that distinguish the person's. So, what 417 00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:01.400 is the father's unique hypostatic property that makes him alone 418 00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:05.599 who he is such that it can't be attributed to 419 00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:09.880 any other person. For us, it's cause that is the 420 00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:13.200 father's unique property. So the words that the church fathers 421 00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:15.039 use to describe the person. 422 00:29:14.759

--> 00:29:15.279 Of the Father. 423 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:19.279 That's confirmed at the First Ecumenical Council, and the Kappadocian 424 00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:25.799 and Athanasian theology is ark an ark a, fount of godhead, 425 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:27.880 unoriginate origin. 426 00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:35.599 Cause. Yeah, I think that's most of them, right. 427 00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:39.680 So those basically sum up who the Father is, and 428 00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:44.319 they're all describing the same single hyposthetic reality. They're not 429 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:49.640 different attributes of his person. That is his hyposthetic reality. 430 00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:54.160 The Father is the sole origin, the sole cause, the soul, monarchia, 431 00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:58.759 the soul ark the soul anarchia, right, all of those properties. 432 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:00.000 He's autotheos. 433 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:05.319 He alone is auto theeos okay self caused, self existent, 434 00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:09.880 because the son and the Spirit derive their hypostatic existence 435 00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:14.680 from the Father. That's why Nicea, the Niceno constant Apolitan 436 00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:19.519 creed is a Cappadocian in stating the God from God 437 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:24.119 like from light proposition. That's what all the Cappadocians taught 438 00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:28.279 about the monarchia of the Father. So to be cause, 439 00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:33.559 to be ourk to be found, to be origin, to 440 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:40.680 be beginning, to be source, to be autotheos, self caused. 441 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:45.519 Those are all names expressing the same reality. 442 00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:45.799 That is the Father. 443 00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:51.720 Those are all describing who he is. So he cannot 444 00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:55.799 share that with anyone else because they would be father. 445 00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:56.759 Right. 446 00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.279 So the son can't share any of those properties because 447 00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:03.039 now you have a father son, now you have a diad. 448 00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:09.599 So the power so called of being, the fount rk monarchy, 449 00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:14.039 et cetera, is the Father's hypostatic property. It's not a 450 00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:16.559 property of the Godhead by which one of the other 451 00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:20.440 persons lacks, because the Son, by sharing in the divine nature, 452 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:23.440 has all the same powers that the Father has. He's 453 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:29.440 co eternal, he's coequal, he has co dignity, right, he 454 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:30.559 has co rain. 455 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:32.440 He has co love. 456 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:34.960 You know, you could say all of the attributes that 457 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:37.400 are common to the Godhead are shared by the Son 458 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:40.559 and

the Spirit equally. But as it comes to origin 459 00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:44.319 and order, No, the Father is the first, The Father 460 00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:48.200 is the felt, The Father is God. When we say God, 461 00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:49.640 we mean the person of the Father. 462 00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:56.880 It's a good answer. Does anyone ask any question? 463 00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.319 Yeah, I have a question of Yeah. 464 00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:04.240 Are the persons of the Trinity God in. 465 00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:06.799 And of themselves or the God only in. 466 00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:08.799 Relation to the Father? Yes? 467 00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:13.920 All the Kappadocians are absolutely unanimous that the only person 468 00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:18.200 whose Autotheos is the Father. So the Son and the Spirit, 469 00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:22.599 when they're called co unoriginate, that's in reference to creation. 470 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:26.119 It's when they're contrasted to creatures that the Son is 471 00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:29.920 called co unoriginate. He is not called co unoriginate in 472 00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:34.440 respect to the Trinity proper. He's always called of the Father. 473 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:37.880 And you'll you can read the orations. Gregor naci Angas 474 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.839 is super emphatic about this. He's very clear, Basil is 475 00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:44.799 very emphatic about this. To be unoriginate, to be the 476 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:49.000 unoriginate origin, to be autotheos, is to be the Father. 477 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:55.480 So the only sense basically that I am aware of, 478 00:32:55.720 --> 00:33:00.400 in which we can say the Son has the power 479 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:04.559 of being eternal co originate, right or excuse me, co 480 00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:10.240 unoriginate is in reference to creatures, because he is because 481 00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:11.599 the Trinity created the world. 482 00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:13.000 Father, Son, and Spirit. 483 00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:18.039 All participate in the action of creating the world. So 484 00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.160 there are there is a couple places where Nazi angers 485 00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:26.519 will say, is he uh uh co unoriginate? He says 486 00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:30.200 only in contrast to creatures, but in terms of the 487 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.519 Trinity proper, he is not co unoriginate, because that would 488 00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:36.799 mean he shares the Father's unique property of being the 489 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:38.119 unoriginate origin. 490 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:48.480 Okay, I have a question, Go ahead, So Jay, you 491 00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:51.839 said that. So you said that when referring to God, 492 00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:57.279 we are referring to the Father. Correct, So then so 493 00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.920 then how come? So then how come it is also 494 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:04.119 correct to say that Jesus is God? Though if God 495 00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:05.519 is only referring to the Father. 496 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:06.720 No, I said. 497 00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:11.199 Properly speaking, God refers to the Father, but God also 498 00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:13.639 refers to the Son and the Spirit, because the Father 499 00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.719 communicates the same divine nature to the Son and. 500 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:17.239 To the Spirit. 501 00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:19.559 So if you read the Creed, what does the creed say? 502 00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.320 We believe in one God, the Father Almighty. 503 00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:27.559 So the Cappadocians will stress that the beginning of the 504 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:31.719 Godhead and the recapitulation of Godhead relates back to the 505 00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:34.480 person of the Father. So the Father not only is 506 00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:37.760 the origin, he's also the source of unity. How is 507 00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:40.760 he the source of unity because he communicates that single 508 00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:42.199 divine nature to the other two? 509 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:44.679 I see. 510 00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:48.519 So we're not saying that the Trinity isn't God. We're 511 00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:51.599 saying that most of the time when we see the 512 00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:54.800 phrase we believe in one God, it's referring to the 513 00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:57.679 hypostasis of the Father, and we say that because it 514 00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:02.320 guards the premiacy of the person a personhood. We don't 515 00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:05.599 we don't begin our Trinitarian theology with the essence. 516 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:09.920 Okay, thank you. 517 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:15.639 Sure, I would recommend doctor BOE's talk on the monarchia. 518 00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:17.559 He's very good on that, and he just restates what 519 00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:20.679 the Cave Docians say. 520 00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:26.920 Okay, Christian, I'll just read this one and then we'll 521 00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:29.840 get to you. Christian du what do you think of 522 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:33.159 the major milestones in the global reaction to the Roman 523 00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:35.760 Catholics slash c I A takeover? 524 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:40.400 What do I think of the major milestones and what that? 525 00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:43.840 What do you think of the major milestones in the 526 00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:47.440 global reaction to the r c C slash c. 527 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:48.119 I A takeover. 528 00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:58.440 I think the milestones in reaction would be what we've 529 00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:04.119 seen in the last several years in relation to the 530 00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:07.599 back and forth between the West and Russia. That's the 531 00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:14.119 main milestones of reaction. So the expansion of Orthodox Christianity 532

00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:21.159 in Russia, the situation in the Ukraine, Montenegro, the Church overthrowing, 533 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:26.679 what happened in Montenegro, those are the major milestones of reaction. 534 00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:37.679 Okay, sir to the question, Now go ahead, This is 535 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.679 a two parters, so I'm going to ask I have 536 00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:44.920 like two questions related to Protestantism. 537 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:51.440 Okay, but so yeah, My first question is, how do 538 00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.119 you respond to the Protestant notion that the church is 539 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:57.840 invisible as opposed to the Orthodox view of a church 540 00:36:58.440 --> 00:36:59.800 that is a visible institution. 541 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:02.119 I would simply say that. 542 00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:07.239 Paul's predominant image of the church is the body. The 543 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:11.119 body of Christ is just as physical and just as 544 00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:14.719 flesh as our bodies. When Christ was resurrected, he told 545 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:18.079 Thomas to put your finger in my side to show 546 00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:21.360 to Thomas that Jesus wasn't a phantasm. It was the 547 00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:24.239 same Jesus who went to the cross, right, So he 548 00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:27.079 has the same body, he has the same piercing in 549 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:29.400 his side, and he says, put your finger in my 550 00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:31.880 side to show that it's a physical body. 551 00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:32.760 It's the same one. 552 00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:37.840 So in the same way, the Eucharist is physical, actual bread, 553 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:40.840 actual wine, because that's how Jesus instituted it. 554 00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:42.079 And so in the same way, the. 555 00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:46.119 Church is made up of visible, physical bodies of people. 556 00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:50.000 So it makes no sense to have this platonic ideal 557 00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:57.039 invisible church, because that no longer fulfills the promises in 558 00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.320 the Old Testament about what the church would be when 559 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.800 it comes to be right. You have all these prophecies 560 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:05.760 in the Old Testament that the sign of the coming 561 00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:09.559 of the Messianic Age will be when all the gentile 562 00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:13.679 nations start to pour into the church. When I go 563 00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:16.599 to church history, I can look and see who that 564 00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:20.880 church is. It's the Orthodox Church. That's the church of 565 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:21.960 the first thousand years. 566 00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:26.079 Okay. 567 00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:28.840 So in the second part to that was just a 568 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.280 little context. Me and a friend of mine, we're talking 569 00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:36.360 to a Protestant, older guy, and we wanted to know 570 00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:39.800 how do you respond to Protestants downplaying the importance of 571 00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:43.239 the way communion is prepared, and to give a little 572 00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:45.679 understanding as to why we're asking it, because the guy 573 00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:49.519 that we're talking to said that we needed to that 574 00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.960 if it was like I guess you could say, if 575 00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:56.079 it was proper and there was an actual there's an 576 00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:58.400 actual meaning to it, then it should be done in 577 00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:01.800 a feast because it was on it it was originally 578 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:07.079 prepared on a table in a feast form. How would 579 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:08.159 you respond to that? 580 00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:13.559 I see, I think what you're saying so right. We 581 00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:16.920 wouldn't say that. So when Jesus was instituting this feast 582 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:20.159 in the Upper Room and setting the pattern for it, 583 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.119 he's doing a lot of things that are in accordance 584 00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:26.719 with multiple rituals from the Jewish service. Right, So it's 585 00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:31.440 not just Passover. It's partly Passover, but it's also related 586 00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:34.760 to other feasts by which the Jews. If you read Deuteronomy, 587 00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:37.000 a lot of times when they would have the feast, 588 00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:40.480 they would come to the temple, they would bring their sacrifice, 589 00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:43.119 and they would actually eat the animal with the priest 590 00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:44.559 in the sacrifice. 591 00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:46.480 So there's a communal, covenental meal. 592 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:49.000 When Moses goes up on the mountain in Exodus, he 593 00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:52.280 has a meal with God, this priest. This priest signifies 594 00:39:52.320 --> 00:40:00.400 the Eucharist. When Melchizedek gives when Abraham ties to the Kizic, 595 00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:04.599 Melchizedic fixes a feast of bread and wine, which presignifies 596 00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.400 the Eucharist. The point is that there's no way that 597 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:11.000 you could literally have every one of the Jewish ceremonies 598 00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:12.519 smushed into one. 599 00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:14.599 So the best way to do it is the way 600 00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:16.639 Jesus did it by creating a meal. 601 00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:19.119 Now, if you look in the Book of Acts, when 602 00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:21.679 they meet together to have the bread at the first 603 00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:22.360 of the week. 604 00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:23.960 They're not all doing a. 605 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:27.440 Feast, right,

There is a love feast that follows the 606 00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:30.360 ceremony that Paul mentions in the New Testament. But the 607 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:33.960 liturgy itself doesn't have to be a feast, as if 608 00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:36.800 that's somehow essential to the ritual. The other way that 609 00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:40.039 we know this is that the Apostles when they went 610 00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:43.840 and established the churches, they gave the church an actual 611 00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:48.039 liturgy to do. We do the liturgy that's always been done. 612 00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:52.320 Read what Ignatius says about the liturgy in the first century. 613 00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.559 Read what Justin Martyr says in one fight about the liturgy. 614 00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:57.960 We still do the same liturgy that they talk about. 615 00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:01.480 It's not just the lilogy. 616 00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:03.320 It's also like all the cycles that we do that 617 00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:06.880 they also similar to what the Old Testament believers do. 618 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:09.800 So it's like all of our practice. 619 00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:13.239 Basically, because when I was told about when I when 620 00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:16.559 he kind of like came back at me about this, 621 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:18.800 you know, when we were talking about when I talked. 622 00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:21.239 To him about the real presence, he was. 623 00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:23.920 Like, well, I mean, technically, if we're going to be like, 624 00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:26.639 if you believe in it, then you should have a feast. 625 00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:29.639 And I was kind of like, that's not practical, Like 626 00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:32.440 how would you have a feast for everybody? And I 627 00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:36.119 did mention the literal nature of the words of Jesus 628 00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.800 when he was speaking about communion and the blood, blood 629 00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:42.360 and body of Christ. I mean, I think, yeah, And 630 00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:45.840 so is is it You're you're you're coming from an 631 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:49.320 angle of I guess like practical practicality in church history 632 00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:53.800 having that as a tradition, have like a full on 633 00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:58.280 feast for every communion every uh, you know, like at 634 00:41:58.280 --> 00:41:59.880 the last supper table type of thing. 635 00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:05.440 Okay, but again I mean yeah, I mean who actually 636 00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:06.840 does anybody? Nobody does this. 637 00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:10.039 This is like a in other words, there's it was 638 00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:10.679 really weird. 639 00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:12.360 I didn't expect that it's weird. 640 00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:13.039 I don't know. 641 00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:14.480 This sounds like some kind of this sounds like some 642 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:16.760 kind of Hebrew roots kind of thing, like you have 643 00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:19.480 to do everything that was done, you know, like in 644 00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.880 a ceremonial way, or it's invalid or something ridiculous like. 645 00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:38.159 This is it good? 646 00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:38.159 Ahead? 647 00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.079 By the way, I would say, there's a couple of books. 648 00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:43.239 If a person wants an introduction to this issue, just 649 00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:47.400 read Hugh Wybrew's book The Orthodox Liturgy, because it's about 650 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:51.199 how the eucharistic liturgy developed in the Byzantine right. 651 00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:55.639 It relates back to the synagogue and temple worship. 652 00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:58.400 And then this book Orthodox Worship living continuity with the 653 00:42:58.400 --> 00:42:59.840 synagogue temple in early Church. 654 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:01.039 This is a really good book. 655 00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:04.079 Books or would you say, two different books, one by 656 00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.079 Hugh weybrew W I. B. R. E. W. 657 00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:12.119 And then a book by Benjamin Williams and Harold Enstall 658 00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:14.280 called Orthodox Worship. 659 00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:24.360 Okay uh. 660 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:27.840 First of all, given ja, I hope you're having a 661 00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:28.280 good day. 662 00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:34.079 And my basic question would be along the lines of 663 00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:37.800 do you think Americanism? And I guess more generally, the 664 00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:44.360 love of America and its ideals would be compatible with 665 00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:49.159 strict adherence to Orthodox dogra and the traditions of the Church. 666 00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:54.400 Right, So the Church is not necessarily wedded to any 667 00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:59.880 political structure. The Church's favored monarchy. It has the right 668 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.760 of coronation, which is a kind of sacramental right of 669 00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:06.000 the coronation of kings. But the Church can exist anywhere, 670 00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:09.599 even under governments that do not accept that, or you know, 671 00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:10.880 preach Americanism or whatever. 672 00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:12.679 So you can be a patriot, you can be. 673 00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:19.400 A fan of your country insofar as your country's principles 674 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:21.840 don't contradict Orthodox teaching. 675 00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:22.079 Right. 676 00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:24.440 This is the same principle behind why the martyrs in 677 00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:27.280 the first second third century went to death was that 678 00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:32.039 they weren't rejecting the authority of the state inherently, but 679 00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:34.800 when

Caesar overstepped his bounds and asked them to do 680 00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:36.280 things that violated the law of God. 681 00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:36.719 So there's a. 682 00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:39.880 Higher authority that trump's even Caesar. That was the reason 683 00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:41.639 why the you know, the martyrs were being put to 684 00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:45.639 death is because they wouldn't admit that Caesar decides, you know, 685 00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:50.000 ultimately what gods are allowed and arn't. So because you 686 00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:51.800 could believe any God you wanted to, as long as 687 00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.480 you admitted Caesar was also God and had the finals 688 00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:57.239 say so. Right, that's why the Christians were put to 689 00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.119 death because they wouldn't admit that about Caesar. So in 690 00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:03.320 the same way, you could say that, you know, you 691 00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:08.280 can grant to the American situation as much as is 692 00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:12.599 possible in terms of the positive aspects of the system, 693 00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:15.159 but there are aspects of the system which. 694 00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:17.760 Are not in concord with Orthodox theology. 695 00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:22.159 For example, it's not the case that the state should 696 00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:23.800 be ideally secular. 697 00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:25.719 That's not true. 698 00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:30.639 Do you think that, and only what this? 699 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.039 Do you think that America was inherently meant to be 700 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:34.800 a secular nation? 701 00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.639 Yeah, that's why we started with Thomas Paine. Now that's 702 00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:41.440 a little harry because because you could say, oh, but 703 00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:44.199 some of the founding fathers believed in theism. Some of 704 00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:48.119 them were Episcopalian, some of them were Catholic, one or 705 00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:51.000 two were Catholics, some of them were Deists. 706 00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:54.599 So I mean yes and no. 707 00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:57.280 I mean it's like it's like when a when ah, 708 00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:02.840 when a Satanist says I believe in a deity, and 709 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:04.480 then I say I believe in a deity and a 710 00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:05.920 Muslim says I believe in a deity. 711 00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:08.559 Do we all believe in a deity? Well? Yeah, but 712 00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:10.239 does that mean we believe in the same deity? 713 00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:10.400 No? 714 00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:12.039 So is the. 715 00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:17.360 American constitution based on Christian principles or Enlightenment principles both? 716 00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:20.360 It's a it's a mix. So there's not a there's 717 00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:22.679 not like an easy way

out of this. 718 00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:28.440 Oh yeah, all right, that's pretty much answered my question. 719 00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:29.280 Thanks verat timing Ja. 720 00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:42.559 Okay, okay, go ahead, uh quick, Jay you mentioned that 721 00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:44.920 Ratsinger denies the. 722 00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:46.760 Bodily resurrection of Jesus. 723 00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:49.719 Do you mind giving me a citation for that? 724 00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:53.320 Yeah, I think it's at the end of Introduction of Christianity. 725 00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:57.280 Let me see Introduction of Christianity. 726 00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:00.320 But h. 727 00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:25.079 I think yes, I think it's the last. 728 00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:34.519 The last chapter, the resurrection the Body, page three forty seven, 729 00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:37.719 Introduction of Christianity. A lot of people have made us 730 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:39.639 stink about it. I mean, he's actually got a whole 731 00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:41.320 bunch of he's got He's got a whole bunch of 732 00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:43.519 modernist statements. It's not like, oh, there's just one. 733 00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:47.559 But of course, oh well, we don't We don't really 734 00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:50.440 know what he means. He doesn't really say itself. You're 735 00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:53.719 just they're just gonna do the never ending cope of oh, 736 00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:58.199 he didn't really mean that. When he says that, he 737 00:47:58.280 --> 00:47:59.320 basically did not. 738 00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:01.960 He's like he's he says something like, we can't have 739 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:05.079 this ancient view of it being like an actual body. 740 00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:09.360 We don't know what it is. It's just like this 741 00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:16.039 really vague thing about. 742 00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:18.320 So Dostism is tread. 743 00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:28.719 Now, Okay, what role does the British intelligence play in 744 00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:30.679 today's geopolitical climate? 745 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:32.159 And who is in the driving seat. 746 00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:36.320 I think that. 747 00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:38.719 I mean, you can just look at what all has 748 00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:41.760 happened in the last six months, eight months to see 749 00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:46.039 who's running things. I mean, everything is run right now 750 00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:48.639 by the same people that have been running things since. 751 00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:51.719 What I'm talking about in these books, it's the same 752 00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:58.440 power structure. It's the Anglo elite establishment right that includes US, 753 00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:03.320 UK Israel all on the same team, and they are 754 00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:06.239 engaged in all the operations that you're seeing, like in 755 00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:11.559 Russia or in Ukraine. I'm excuting Montenegro, Ukraine. All of 756 00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:14.760 that stuff is the outplaying of this. It's all the 757 00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:15.440 same stuff. 758 00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:23.559 Next question is what is the orthodoxy viewpoint of mortification 759 00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:26.239 of the flesh in Catholicism. 760 00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.800 Saint Gregory Palamos, we don't believe in mortification. Mortification is 761 00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:35.920 a erroneous doctrine of Catholicism that negates the body. Orthodoxy 762 00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:39.480 is very pro body because of the resurrection. We stress 763 00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:44.760 the resurrection. We don't mortify the flesh. We believe the 764 00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:48.119 flesh is deified, so we do practice asceticism, but that's 765 00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:52.400 not the same thing as mortifying the flesh. Mortifying the 766 00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:57.000 flesh is based on a mistranslation. I think in the Vulgate. 767 00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:04.199 Does act as purists make or attempt to make the 768 00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:05.800 Trinity into a monad. 769 00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.119 It doesn't attempt to. It attempts to have. 770 00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:14.480 A philosophical definition and explication of what simplicity is and 771 00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:19.480 how to do natural theology based on philosophic first principles, 772 00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:26.719 but it unfortunately precludes and negates the trinitarian doctrines which 773 00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:31.559 necessitate real distinctions in the Trinity, and for example, one 774 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:35.400 hypostasis being able to enter into a motive being that 775 00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:38.800 the other two do not, namely, the Son becomes, incarnates 776 00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:41.039 and dies, the Father and the Spirit do not. So 777 00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:44.239 you need a Trinitarian theology that allows for that and 778 00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:48.880 doesn't preclude it by its simplicity doctrine. So Actus purists 779 00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:53.760 also necessitates an eternal creator, an eternal creation that the 780 00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:58.960 eternal actualizer is actualizing and moving. It means that all 781 00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:00.760 possible worlds have to be the actualize. 782 00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:02.000 There's no potential in God. 783 00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:04.719 I mean, it has all these problems that just really 784 00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:10.119 don't line up with what's needed to have orthodox trinitarian 785 00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:12.280 and crystological teaching. 786 00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:21.239 What's the main what is the major problems you see 787 00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:25.480 with using relations of opposition to distinguish members of the Trinity. 788 00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:30.719 Well, first and foremost, they're not the distinctions that are 789 00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:35.440

already codified and used and confirmed by the Cappadocians. So 790 00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:39.400 Athanacious and the Cappadocians have a very specific, very consistent, 791 00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:43.639 clear doctrine of how to explicate and pick out the persons. 792 00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:47.440 There's nothing about relations of opposition until Augustine and later 793 00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:50.960 Latin theologians. So all I really have to do is 794 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:56.760 just point out that constantinople One dogmatically affirms the Cappadocian 795 00:51:56.840 --> 00:52:01.559 and ATHANATIONI interpretation of the Creed, so that precludes any 796 00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:05.440 relations of opposition just from the outset on a dogmatic stance. 797 00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:09.679 But beyond that, relations of opposition literally makes absolutely no 798 00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:12.679 sense in the Trinity, because the Trinity is a triad, 799 00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:17.760 not a diad. Opposition relates to diad. God is not 800 00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:19.880 a diad, the Trinity is not a diad. There's no 801 00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:23.880 such thing as relations of opposition in a triad by definition, 802 00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:28.920 so that's problematic. But also, the persons are not relations, 803 00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:32.960 the persons are subjects. And this is I think Loski's critique, 804 00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:36.079 which is to say that Thomas is wrong when he 805 00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:39.119 says persona at ralacchio, and he only says persona at 806 00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:41.679 ralostio because of absolute simplicity. 807 00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:44.039 But a relation is a. 808 00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:50.400 Predicate, not a subject, and the persons are subjects, So 809 00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:54.639 you can't define a subject by a predicate or a relation. 810 00:52:58.000 --> 00:52:58.480 Right. 811 00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:03.119 Is In a writing I was reading on the Bogamil heresy, 812 00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:06.679 the writers stated the Latins were still using the liturgy 813 00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:10.159 made by Peter. So could you argue that the Catholics 814 00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:13.440 not preserving the liturgy of Peter is evidence in a 815 00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:22.880 sense against either papal infallibility or papal supremacy. 816 00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:24.840 By the liturgy made by Peter. Are you talking about 817 00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:32.800 the Gregorian liturgy? 818 00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:36.519 Perhaps we could amuse him or wait for him. 819 00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:40.679 To clarify that question, because that is a very interesting cavio. 820 00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:44.679 Yeah, if he wants to, he can just type of question. 821 00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:48.480 I mean, I'm not a historian of the history of 822 00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:51.840 the Latin liturgy. I mean, I know about the major reforms, 823 00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:56.119 the Gregorian reforms. I know about what happened under different popes, 824 00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:03.440 pious and these people would the data DEFECTI boos and 825 00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:05.679 all this kind of stuff, So, but I don't know 826 00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:08.679 how I mean I guess. I guess some people would 827 00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:11.599 say that's the liturgy of Peter. I mean, it's not 828 00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:13.599 typically the way the trad speak. They just talk about 829 00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:16.760 the Gregorian right, but I mean Western right Orthodox churches 830 00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:22.559 will use the Gregorian liturgy, So I'm not sure what 831 00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:26.039 you mean by the Petrine liturgy. 832 00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:31.679 Yeah, I guess my question was like someone were related 833 00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:35.639 to like did he make a liturgy in the sense, 834 00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:38.880 So it was kind of two questions in one. 835 00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:42.960 I don't know that we probably don't know. 836 00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:46.679 So actually there's quite a bit about the first and 837 00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:50.239 second century that we don't know. I'm not saying that 838 00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:52.920 there aren't scholars who don't have knowledge of this or 839 00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:55.480 a theory on this. I'm just saying I don't personally know. 840 00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:58.719 I'm not a liturgical scholar. I have some familiarity with 841 00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:01.719 some of the stuff with Patristia, but liturgics is kind 842 00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:06.960 of its own domain, and I don't know exactly it. 843 00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:08.679 Would probably have to look. 844 00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:18.639 At Ratolian or Hippolitus, and they could probably have insights 845 00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:22.599 into how the early Latin liturgy bit would have been done, 846 00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:24.559 But I don't actually know. 847 00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:27.760 That's a good question, ok, thank. 848 00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:35.199 You, Okay, next, Ascapsultis had a question if you could 849 00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:36.840 have me and ask you a question, go ahead. 850 00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:39.559 Oh yeah. 851 00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:43.559 So in a recent video jay that you had on TAG, 852 00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:47.360 you talked about how it's it's necessary for there to 853 00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:49.360 be a trinity because otherwise you end up with this 854 00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:54.280 situation where God is contingent on creation, right, because otherwise 855 00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:56.280 he doesn't he doesn't have a thing to be like 856 00:55:56.360 --> 00:56:00.000 God of Right, Am I representing that correctly? 857 00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:00.639 Right? 858 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:05.400 And so I was just wondering how that exactly works 859 00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:08.199 with like the Son and

the Holy Spirit, because I 860 00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:12.159 get them like the Father as the monarch would be 861 00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:15.519 you know, the you know, the monarch of this of 862 00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:17.880 the Son of the Holy Spirit. But would this would 863 00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:20.480 the Son like be the God of the Father and 864 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:22.760 the Holy Spirit or and like would it worked that 865 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:23.199 way too? 866 00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:29.960 No, No, those kind of terms would be. 867 00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:35.719 Like the Father would still have a premissy in terms 868 00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:40.239 of being the cause to unoriginate the fountain the beginning, 869 00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:43.880 but we don't import into those terms anything to do 870 00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:49.159 with temporal power or supremacy. So the Father in generating 871 00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:52.519 a son that is his icon or his direct image, 872 00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:56.679 also communicates to him the same divine nature that he possesses. 873 00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:59.079 Just as a human father gives birth to a human son. 874 00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:02.079 They have the same nature even though they're distinct persons. 875 00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:04.800 So that's just an analogy for how in the trinity, 876 00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:09.400 the son being the son of the Father. He Jesus 877 00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:11.639 says all these statements in the Book of John, like, 878 00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:14.039 you know, I came to show you the father, to 879 00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:15.960 direct you to the Father. I came to only do 880 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:18.199 what the Father says. I only follow what the Father 881 00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:20.480 tells me to do. I commit his you know, I 882 00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:23.920 only do his will. So he's in full subjection to 883 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:29.199 the father. Right, So the father is given premissy in 884 00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:34.199 the sense that he's the father, but he also, Jesus says, 885 00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:37.199 for the Father has given the son to have life 886 00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:40.480 in himself. Right, the father has given everything that he 887 00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:45.559 possesses to the son. So the father communicates and gives 888 00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:48.199 out of self love excuse me, out of true love 889 00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:54.360 to the other, to his son, the full community. 890 00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:57.199 Of divine power that he possesses. Right, So there's no 891 00:57:57.559 --> 00:57:59.159 lacking in what Jesus has. 892 00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:02.239 So, in other words, it's not like an either or 893 00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:08.400 where we're saying that God and Lord only apply to 894 00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:11.840 a to a created order. We're saying that The reason 895 00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:16.960 that God doesn't require a created

order to be lord 896 00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:19.679 is because the Father has a son, and the Father 897 00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:22.719 and the Son share a communion of love, which is 898 00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:25.880 the Spirit in a manifestation sense. 899 00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:30.079 Son. 900 00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:33.679 That the Son and the Holy Spirit would require creation 901 00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:35.199 in order to be lord of something. 902 00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:40.800 No, because they that's the point of that. They share 903 00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:44.480 that love to one another. So, in other words, the 904 00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:48.320 Son returns the love back to the Father simultaneously, the 905 00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:51.559 Father loves the Spirit uh and the son. 906 00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:53.519 The Spirit loves the. 907 00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:57.079 Son and the Father, so that communion is shared amongst 908 00:58:57.079 --> 00:58:59.280 all three. And so the point is that there is 909 00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:06.440 a mutual communion that occurs that doesn't require the property 910 00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:10.360 of In other words, we say that God in the 911 00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:13.960 sense of being lord or providence or God over something, 912 00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:17.559 that's only an attribute that God takes on in relation 913 00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:24.519 to creation. So he wasn't providential or creator before he created. 914 00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:30.800 We don't believe in an eternal creator. But what I'm saying, 915 00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:34.000 I see your objection. I'm trying to see to phrase 916 00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:38.159 it right, you're saying that if the Trinity bypasses the 917 00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:41.719 problem of saying that God needed the creation to be 918 00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:47.239 lord over, then doesn't the Son and the spirit lack 919 00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:48.480 the property of being. 920 00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:49.079 God or Lord. 921 00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:54.800 But God and Lord are or we're saying he's obviously 922 00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:57.440 God from all eternity. But sometimes people will say the 923 00:59:57.480 --> 00:59:59.760 definition of God is to be a god of creation. 924 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:02.360 So in that sense we don't say he's God. 925 01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:05.440 If by God you mean God the Father, then yes, 926 01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:09.039 he's God, the Father from all eternity, Father of who 927 01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:12.840 greater than who greater than the Son, in the sense 928 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:14.400 of being the origin. 929 01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:14.480 Of the Son. 930 01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:19.960 All righty, gotcha makes sense, Thank you so much. 931 01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:27.079 Okay, next question is is there a theological reasoning that 932 01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:30.760 led to the entire Orthodox Church adopting the Byzantine right? 933 01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:35.119 And then he says, after the Calcidon Schism, the Church 934 01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:38.440 of Antioch adopted the Byzantine Rite and abandoned the Syriac right. 935 01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:41.920 In the twelfth century, the Georgian Church adopted the Byzantine 936 01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:44.880 right and dropped the Armenian tradition, and in the sixteenth 937 01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:47.440 century in the Russian Church made their rights conformative to 938 01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:52.960 the Greeks, causing the Old believe aschism. 939 01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:57.320 But aside from the just the historical instances, I don't 940 01:00:57.320 --> 01:01:00.760 know that there's some overriding decision and to do that, 941 01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:04.800 I mean, there's nothing inherently necessarily wrong with the other 942 01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:07.440 rights per se. And I think even on Mountain Athos 943 01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:11.519 the Liturgy of Saint James is celebrated sometimes right, which 944 01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:16.679 is the Alexandrian liturgy. So it's not infallibly the case 945 01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:22.880 that that's always, but it's rather that it just becomes 946 01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:26.039 more and more normative, and everybody kind of wants to 947 01:01:26.039 --> 01:01:28.559 do things in harmony, I guess. So it's not that 948 01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:32.039 they're defective, but it's it's like the Western right. It's 949 01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:35.440 not that the Gregorian right is necessarily bad, but what 950 01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:37.880 happens is that a lot of times people will bring 951 01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:43.599 their theological baggage and assumptions into the Latin liturgy and 952 01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:47.519 they don't get the good theology that's present in the 953 01:01:47.559 --> 01:01:52.760 Byzantine liturgy. So it's more so maybe pragmatic reasons than 954 01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:56.679 it is like some sort of inherent defect, I would say, 955 01:01:57.199 --> 01:01:59.199 But I'm also not a liturgical scholar. 956 01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:00.719 That's not mine. Forte. 957 01:02:03.719 --> 01:02:04.000 Okay. 958 01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:07.159 The next question is how is it possible that the 959 01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:11.599 academic consensus on the works of Saint Dionysius places its 960 01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:16.159 true authorship as some pseudonymous writer almost five hundred years 961 01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:19.599 later than tradition. It seems that such a huge disparity 962 01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:24.320 in dating should be easily resolvable through textual analysis, historical cizations, 963 01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:26.920 and so forth. This strikes me as an important issue 964 01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:29.519 since it gives ammunition to those claiming the ee distinction. 965 01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:34.440 Orthodoxy is just grouped from Neoplatonism. Even Orthodox wiki cs 966 01:02:34.480 -->

01:02:37.880 to the academic consensus. Do the academics have that strong 967 01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:38.440 of a case? 968 01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:39.519 Okay? 969 01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:43.400 First of all, go read David Bradshaw's book Aristotle East 970 01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:46.000 and West, and you will see that the essence introducinction 971 01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:49.679 is not predicated on Dionysius and the Divine names. Dionysius 972 01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:52.079 and the Divine names does make the essen senterd discinction. 973 01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:56.639 The essence inerdiscinction is completely contrary to Neoplatonism. I'm not 974 01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:59.800 sure to be rude, but if you understood the essence introducinction, 975 01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:01.079 you would know that it's. 976 01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:03.639 Employed to refute Neoplatonism. 977 01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:07.239 I can't stress this enough. I get tired of constantly 978 01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:10.079 saying this to the Roman Catholics and to the tomiss 979 01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:15.079 When Basil writes about the essence energy distinction, he's arguing 980 01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:19.840 against people who have Platonic assumptions of simplicity. The essence 981 01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:25.840 energy distinction refutes neoplatonism. Now, is there a similarity between 982 01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:29.599 neoplatonism and what's in Dinysius. Yes, I don't think anybody 983 01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:34.239 disputes that. However, what theoretically could be disputed. If you 984 01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:39.360 read the Steinieloi essay at Orthochristian about the dating of Dinysius, 985 01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:43.440 there is a defense of Dinysius being Dinysius. 986 01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:44.960 So I would recommend that essay at. 987 01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:48.000 Orthochristian defense of the dating of Dinasius or something like 988 01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:51.159 that on the title of Dinasia or something like that. 989 01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:55.800 But setting that issue aside the other possibility. It also 990 01:03:55.840 --> 01:03:56.400 could be the. 991 01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:59.559 Case that, as I was saying to that guy about 992 01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:03.199 the liturgy, I don't think people realize that when it 993 01:04:03.239 --> 01:04:08.199 comes to these first, second, third, fourth century stuff, there's. 994 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:09.320 A lot that we don't know. 995 01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:14.000 Okay, manuscripts are being discovered all the time, there's new 996 01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:19.920 stuff that comes about, so textual criticism and reconstruction involves 997 01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:22.400 a lot of guesswork. I'm not saying that it can't 998 01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:24.320 be done. I'm not saying that they're all we've had 999 01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:28.440 textual scholars on so I'm not trying to be overly simplistic. 1000 01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:31.960 I

recognize the nuances. I'm just saying that, for example, 1001 01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:35.400 it could be the case that the present documents that 1002 01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:41.199 we have of Dionysius are later additions that do include 1003 01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:44.960 neoplatonic phraseology and terms. 1004 01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:48.039 So it's not like it has to be some either 1005 01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:49.719 or like, well, either there was. 1006 01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:53.400 A dude named Dionysius who composed all of that treatise, 1007 01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:57.480 or maybe there's a redacted one that we have that's 1008 01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:00.440 from the fourth or fifth century that is based on 1009 01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:02.559 a smaller corpus. 1010 01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:04.800 Of the real dynasties. I mean, we just don't know. 1011 01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:07.280 So in other words, when you read. 1012 01:05:07.119 --> 01:05:10.760 About textual scholarship, I'm not saying you haven't read it. 1013 01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:12.159 I don't know who you are or what you have 1014 01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:14.679 or haven't read. I'm just making the point that one 1015 01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:17.280 thing that you'll notice is that it's a lot of guesswork. 1016 01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:19.719 Remember when we had doctor James snap On and we 1017 01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:24.119 were talking about the certain codices that have the giant 1018 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:29.599 space left out for the ending place of mark. So 1019 01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:34.679 he's speculating, with reasonable speculation that a lot of these 1020 01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:40.360 codices had a parenthesis where there would fit the ending 1021 01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:45.960 part of Marx Gospel, so he reasonably assumes that the 1022 01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:49.679 ending part of Marx Gospel is supposed to be there. 1023 01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:53.159 It's just missing in certain manuscripts because some of the 1024 01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:56.840 copyists didn't know what to do with the ellipses. So 1025 01:05:57.320 --> 01:06:00.440 there's a whole dispute that's perhaps solved on the of 1026 01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:03.840 one speculation. But we don't know, right, because a lot 1027 01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:09.320 of textual stuff is reconstructing things that nobody knows for sure. 1028 01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:13.559 How much more with ancient texts like Dionysius, Right, we 1029 01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:16.639 just don't know. So I'm not a Dinysius scholar. I 1030 01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:19.320 don't claim to know about this, but I do trust 1031 01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:23.480 the tradition of the church, and there are defenses of 1032 01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:28.480 the argument. But before any of that, even the world 1033 01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:33.880 authority on Dionysius, Bishop Alexander Golitzen, who does not believe 1034 01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:38.559 that Dionysius is Dionysius, he

accepts the pseudo thing. In 1035 01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:43.280 his essays, he argues that the real origin of Dionysius's 1036 01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:45.719 theology is Ezekiel and the. 1037 01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:48.920 Chariot Merkava mysticism, which is true. 1038 01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:53.599 So if the origin is not even Plotinus, then it 1039 01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:57.440 really doesn't matter if there's a later similarity between Plotinian 1040 01:06:57.639 --> 01:07:02.679 phraseology and imagery and celestial hierarchies or whatever. It doesn't 1041 01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:08.440 really matter because nobody denies their similarities in understandings of 1042 01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:11.159 this or that. But if you read the divine names, 1043 01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:16.039 it's almost all citations from Scripture. Right, So he's talking 1044 01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:20.400 to philosophers, trying to speak to them in philosophic language. 1045 01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:23.559 But one thing that's really important about Orthodoxy is that 1046 01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:27.280 a lot of these terms are not synonymous with the 1047 01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:28.400 Hellenic meaning. 1048 01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:31.840 Of the terms, right. Logos Logi a great example of this. 1049 01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:33.920 When Saint Maximus. 1050 01:07:34.480 --> 01:07:38.320 Utilizes the logi doctrine, which is from Plotinus, he alters 1051 01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:41.480 it in three significant ways. He makes the logi to 1052 01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:45.519 be free will actions of God. They're not emanations, they're 1053 01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:51.320 not determined generations, they're necessary, and he makes them only 1054 01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:54.239 relate to the created order, and thus God can freely 1055 01:07:54.280 --> 01:07:56.880 do it, and he makes them personal. He makes them 1056 01:07:56.920 --> 01:08:01.800 in hypostatic. So is the phrase logi in Plotinus? 1057 01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:02.599 Yes? 1058 01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:04.920 Is the phrase logi in Maximus? 1059 01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:05.280 Yes? 1060 01:08:05.599 --> 01:08:10.079 Does that mean that Maximus teaches Plutinian Neoplatonism. No, because 1061 01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:13.199 he significantly alters it in three key areas that make 1062 01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:18.119 it no longer Neoplatonic and now Christian because he makes 1063 01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:18.880 them energies. 1064 01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:27.359 Okay, next question is in two parts, quite a long one, 1065 01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:28.000 so we'll. 1066 01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:29.279 Do a first part in the second part. 1067 01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:34.720 So in response to Catholics concerning the philio doctrine, why 1068 01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:37.159 does this son proceeding from the will of the Father 1069 01:08:37.640 --> 01:08:41.600 necessitate the son as created? If the Father could eternally 1070 01:08:41.680 --> 01:08:42.760 will the son's. 1071 01:08:42.479 --> 01:08:48.319 Existence, Because if you read Athenasius, that's an Aryan argument. 1072 01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:52.840 Athanasius rejects the Aryan argument that the son is generated 1073 01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:56.399 by will. He specifically states that he's not generated by will. 1074 01:08:56.720 --> 01:09:01.680 He's generated directly of the Father's nature and there's no 1075 01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:05.199 interposition of will. This is what the Arians and then 1076 01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:07.960 Eunomius argues, is that the son is a work of 1077 01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:08.920 energy and will. 1078 01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:09.800 No, he's not. 1079 01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:15.399 He's a direct natural generation of the Father's essence. So 1080 01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:21.119 it's the father as hypostasis with the divine nature. The 1081 01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:23.840 divine nature is in hypostatized in the person of the Father, 1082 01:09:23.880 --> 01:09:28.359 who generates the son of his nature, you see. So 1083 01:09:28.479 --> 01:09:32.159 it's in hypostatic. Even the generation is in hyposthetic. It's 1084 01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:36.239 of the Father's nature. So when the son is when 1085 01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:39.560 the son is generated. It is not by will, because 1086 01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:43.760 anything that's by will is common to the Godhead. It's 1087 01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:48.359 common to all three persons, such as creating the world. Father, Son, 1088 01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:52.520 and Spirit create the world, even redemption, even if there's 1089 01:09:52.840 --> 01:09:56.800 different modes of the person's right. The Son becomes incarnate 1090 01:09:56.840 --> 01:09:59.159 and dies, not the Father, not the Spirit. Even those 1091 01:09:59.239 --> 01:10:04.359 actions are to the Godhead, but they are actualized or 1092 01:10:04.439 --> 01:10:08.199 in h they are brought to reality in three unique 1093 01:10:08.399 --> 01:10:15.640 modes of existence. So therefore the Spirit cannot be proceeding 1094 01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:19.840 by will, because that would mean he's a creature. That 1095 01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:22.720 would mean that the Father and the Son create the Spirit, 1096 01:10:22.760 --> 01:10:25.880 because anything by will is common to the Godhead, and 1097 01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:28.640 if it's common to the Godhead, then all three do it. 1098 01:10:28.920 --> 01:10:34.600 Or this makes no sense, right, So that's just taking 1099 01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:37.359 the Aryan argument about the Son being an act of 1100 01:10:37.399 --> 01:10:40.000 God's will and applying it to the Holy Spirit. Now, 1101 01:10:40.039 --> 01:10:42.279 the Holy Spirit would be an act of God's will 1102 01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:45.199 and therefore a creature. That's why Athanasius says the sun 1103 01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:46.760 is not generated by will. 1104 01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:50.800 He's God of God, light of light.

There's no interposition 1105 01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:51.359 of will. 1106 01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:58.079 And the second part of the question is if the 1107 01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:01.399 spirit shays the same essence with the Father, and the 1108 01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:06.399 Spirit is generated from the Father's essence nature. Why wouldn't 1109 01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:10.760 the criticism that we force mainly that the spirit being 1110 01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:13.640 a product of the Father's will and sharing the same 1111 01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:16.520 will as the Father resulting in the spirit. 1112 01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:18.520 How can it be a product of will if it 1113 01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:21.640 shares the same will, It makes no sense. The spirit 1114 01:11:21.760 --> 01:11:25.039 is a product of the spiration of the Father, not 1115 01:11:25.199 --> 01:11:28.720 the will of the Father. Because father, son and Spirit 1116 01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:33.720 share one will. Will is a faculty of nature, not person. 1117 01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:37.119 So all of this nonsense, and that this is directly 1118 01:11:37.159 --> 01:11:41.479 from Ludwig Ought in his Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma. He says, 1119 01:11:41.479 --> 01:11:45.199 the Holy Spirit proceeds by will. No, he doesn't, No 1120 01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:47.359 more than the Son is generated by will. 1121 01:11:48.199 --> 01:11:48.560 Why not? 1122 01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:51.119 Because the Father, son, and Spirit have one will. They 1123 01:11:51.119 --> 01:11:53.399 all share the same will and nobody. But if they 1124 01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:56.479 all share the same will, then nobody would would affirm 1125 01:11:56.520 --> 01:11:59.439 that the Holy Spirit wills himself? Right, he doesn't generate 1126 01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:06.199 or he does process himself. Therefore he cannot proceed by will. 1127 01:12:06.359 --> 01:12:07.880 It's a fundamental blunder. 1128 01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:14.800 Next question is several Western scholars claim Epistles one, three, 1129 01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:19.199 three John forderies developed by the medieval Church how can 1130 01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:21.000 we debunk this nonsensical theory. 1131 01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:24.199 Well, I can debunk that right away because the Church 1132 01:12:24.279 --> 01:12:27.359 fathers cite these epistles. So that's ludicrous. I mean, I 1133 01:12:27.399 --> 01:12:31.760 can give you read any of the major church fathers 1134 01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:34.960 will include the Catholic epistles in their canon. Their list 1135 01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:39.960 of the canon Athanasius includes going from Memory the Catholic Epistles, 1136 01:12:40.039 --> 01:12:42.800 So that's on its face ludicrous that it would be 1137 01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:47.079 a medieval invention. That's preposterous. You could debunk that in 1138 01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:48.479 about two minutes with Google. 1139 01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:51.000 Yeah. 1140 01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:54.479 Next question is for someone looking to convert to Orthodoxy, 1141 01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:58.079 what's with the schism with Constantinople and Moscow? 1142 01:12:58.199 --> 01:12:59.279 Where can I learn about it? 1143 01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:01.720 And would it refer on which jurisdiction I joined? 1144 01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:05.439 Could you repeat the last part you're looking to convert in? 1145 01:13:05.479 --> 01:13:09.600 What he wants to know? 1146 01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:14.079 What is the circumstance with the schism with Constantinople in 1147 01:13:14.199 --> 01:13:15.920 Moscow and where can. 1148 01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:16.600 He learn about it? 1149 01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:20.800 Well, a lot of what I've talked about in tonight's 1150 01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:25.319 stuff geopolitically will relate to that, right, So we're not 1151 01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:27.560 I mean, we're talking about stuff in the fifties and sixties, 1152 01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:31.439 and tonight's talk but the same issues are what undergird 1153 01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:38.840 today's problems between Moscow and Constantinople. So the divide there 1154 01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:42.439 has progressed to a certain point in canonical church discipline 1155 01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:43.199 where there's a. 1156 01:13:43.159 --> 01:13:44.359 Removal of communion. 1157 01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:50.640 That's the stage right before formal excommunication. So we would 1158 01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:53.640 not yet say that everybody in communion with Bartholomew has 1159 01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:57.199 lost grace, but we are at the stage before the 1160 01:13:57.239 --> 01:13:59.399 next step would be formal excommunication. 1161 01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:02.159 At that point point we would say that you have 1162 01:14:02.239 --> 01:14:08.279 to leave ep churches and go arch churches. 1163 01:14:09.159 --> 01:14:11.520 We don't necessarily say that yet, but you can already 1164 01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:15.760 see the degradation of the go arch churches in the US. 1165 01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:18.640 They're pretty bad. Not every one of them, but some 1166 01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:25.960 of them. So long story short, find the best church 1167 01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:29.479 around you by visiting all of them and see which 1168 01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:30.560 one is the most solid. 1169 01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:31.520 That's the best solution. 1170 01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:34.319 Okay. 1171 01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:38.600 Next question is it's a historical question. What would you 1172 01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:41.560 say to those who seek to undermine the saintly character 1173 01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:46.000 of Sincerial of Alexandria by accusing him of having something 1174 01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:48.039 to do with the murder which was carried out by 1175 01:14:48.079 --> 01:14:49.479 a mob against Hypatia. 1176 01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:51.319 Well, I think it's a Catholic. 1177

01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:55.119 I saw a Catholic article that debunks this pretty pretty easily. 1178 01:14:56.520 --> 01:14:59.760 I would just I don't even remember where I found 1179 01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:07.439 that article. But also there's a book. Just read John 1180 01:15:07.479 --> 01:15:12.600 mcguckin's book. I think he covers this as well. So yeah, 1181 01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:15.800 off the top of my head, I don't remember what 1182 01:15:15.840 --> 01:15:18.119 the solution is. It's getting late. I'm getting kind of tired. 1183 01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:21.479 So is there any more any more easy ones? Maybe 1184 01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:23.399 we can we can call it to a closer. 1185 01:15:24.720 --> 01:15:28.199 Yeah, there's there's some short ones. If the father and 1186 01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:30.600 son of different person's with the same essence, like a 1187 01:15:30.680 --> 01:15:34.039 human father and son, what differentiates is from polytheism? 1188 01:15:34.960 --> 01:15:38.680 No, No, the analogy is made between a father and 1189 01:15:38.760 --> 01:15:42.079 a son, just a show at the level of nature, right, 1190 01:15:42.399 --> 01:15:44.680 the father gives birth to a son who possesses the 1191 01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:48.319 same nature. That's all the analogies intended to show. Obviously, 1192 01:15:48.399 --> 01:15:52.239 humans are two distinct beings. The father and the son 1193 01:15:52.279 --> 01:15:56.960 are not separate, distinct beings. So I'm not extending the 1194 01:15:57.039 --> 01:16:00.239 level of analogy beyond just possessing the same nature. 1195 01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:10.319 This is one did Saint Justin think the son's beginning 1196 01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:12.199 was by the will of the father? 1197 01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:13.399 What do we make of that. 1198 01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:18.479 I think that there's one statement in Justin that people 1199 01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:22.039 call into question from memory, but I think there's also 1200 01:16:22.119 --> 01:16:25.640 other statements in Saint Justin where he seems to pretty 1201 01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:31.600 consistently uphold the eternal generation. But there is a sense 1202 01:16:31.640 --> 01:16:33.720 in which, for example, we were talking about this the 1203 01:16:33.800 --> 01:16:34.199 other day in. 1204 01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:39.600 The discord with Lewis, you could in a like, if. 1205 01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:45.439 There's a term for this type of willing, it's you 1206 01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:49.319 could call it something like willing by acquiescence. Like if 1207 01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:52.439 I have a son and he's the direct offering of 1208 01:16:52.479 --> 01:16:56.000 my nature, I'm also at the same time, in a 1209 01:16:56.079 --> 01:16:57.840 sense willing him to be right. 1210 01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:00.600 So just because I I'm. 1211 01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:05.840 I'm agreeing with what happens according to nature, doesn't mean 1212 01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:08.680 that I am causing it to happen by will. 1213 01:17:09.039 --> 01:17:09.880 Does that make sense? 1214 01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:14.800 Do you want to go any further? 1215 01:17:15.680 --> 01:17:15.800 Uh? 1216 01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:17.119 How many more? 1217 01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:17.439 Left? 1218 01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:19.039 A few? 1219 01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:22.399 There's also a couple of super chats Jake. 1220 01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:27.640 All right, let's see. So all I see is one 1221 01:17:27.680 --> 01:17:31.960 super chat from Nico. It says, thank you, Jay, You're welcome, Nico, 1222 01:17:32.239 --> 01:17:33.039 much appreciated. 1223 01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:42.800 Yeah, we have like eight more questions. We can just 1224 01:17:42.840 --> 01:17:46.920 call it here and everyone write down your questions. Okay, 1225 01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:49.119 So you don't have to get them and ask another time. 1226 01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:51.920 Well yeah, I'll just continue in the discord for the 1227 01:17:51.960 --> 01:17:52.239 last