Why Does Trump Keep Firing Women…. And Replacing Them With MEN?의 전체 녹취록

couple, you might be able to chalk it up, but at a certain point, it becomes a pattern. 00:06:12 Speaker 1: But then how do we explain it, then? What reason is there for him to be willing to hire that woman in the first place, only... Do they have shorter leashes? Forgive the term. You know what I'm saying. I'm not suggesting women are. 00:06:27 Speaker 2: No, but just look at how he treats members of the press and women versus men. And even we were watching a recent interview at 60 Minutes where you had a... And he was a conservative New York Times columnist, but... someone who it is clear the president deeply respects. The way the president allowed this male reporter to talk over him, to interrupt him, to ask follow-ups without any sort of negative response or reaction is telling. If a woman had done any one of the number of interruptions or follow-ups or corrections, it would have been a completely different scenario. she would have been told to shut up, to stop talking, piggy, smile more. Why do you always have such a sour look on your face? You're a terrible reporter. Most of this is all directed at women. I mean, it really has overwhelmingly. His rhetoric and his behavior and his tolerance of women seems to have a different level than it is for men. 00:07:32 Speaker 1: Maybe tolerance is the word. There's a a different tolerance he has, different respect even. 00:07:38 Speaker 2: Which is respect, ultimately is respect. 00:07:40 Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about. We, it was striking watching that 60 Minutes interview. We couldn't believe that he was allowing someone to engage. Now, give the guy credit. He was kind of a, like I said, they both seem kind of, I don't know, angry old men to a certain degree. Both of them sitting there having a conversation about, And like kind of old man, I'm just going to keep talking. I'm just going to keep talking. It was kind of, it didn't feel that combative. 00:08:09 Speaker 2: No, but put any woman in the place of that male reporter and it would have been a completely different interview. And I just thought it was striking to me. The president treats men differently than he treats women. That has been what I have seen in a public way. Maybe privately he's different, but I personally, I think it's very fair to say when you see how he reacts to men versus women, it is noticeable. 00:08:36 Speaker 1: So that shows up in how he deals with his employees. I would imagine. That makes sense. And it rears its ugly head in this way, by being willing to let a woman go a lot faster than he would a guy in a situation like this. Susie Wiles Robes, aye. She's been in that position long enough that you forget about it, but she's the first. She's a history maker. The first ever woman to hold that position as chief of staff. And no matter what you think about the president and policies and whatnot, we were all rooting for her. I thought it was cool. How old is she now? 00:09:12 Speaker 2: I don't know her age. 00:09:14 Speaker 1: She's in her 70s, is she not? 00:09:15 Speaker 2: She is an older woman. I know that. I don't know her exact age. 00:09:18 Speaker 1: Breast cancer, and she's still going through it. She let people know what was happening with her. 00:09:23 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:09:23 Speaker 1: We applauded that and were root for it. 00:09:25 Speaker 2: And she didn't seem to be in it for her own personal gain. Like she wasn't somebody who was looking to become a star or a darling of the Democrats. She was just in it. 00:09:34 Speaker 1: Republicans. 00:09:35 Speaker 2: Sorry, that was a funny slip up. Republicans, yes. She was not in it for her own personal fame or gain. It was, it did seem to be someone who was loyal to the president. And she just, she kept her head down. That's rare. I appreciated that. But she's the first woman, as you pointed out, to ever hold a position. And she held it longer than anyone else in President Trump's term, correct? In both terms? 655 days that's the longest chief of staff that's a tough job as well very much like press secretary but look he still doesn't have a press secretary right now. 00:10:11 Speaker 1: He's got a dude coming over for that gig as of this recording a dude to your point a dude versus a dude. 00:10:18 Speaker 2: Right And look, Stephen Miller might not look like a dude, but if you look and see what he's said, what his statements are, how he responds, and how he speaks, he's a dude. 00:10:32 Speaker 1: Okay. So this was, oh yeah, so this was more so, and I was surprised, babe. And I didn't miss one. This is how he announced Susie Wiles was going to be leaving, but he started by saying, Stephen Miller is my new guy. That's telling. 00:10:47 Speaker 2: That's telling. That's telling. You don't usually, you usually give somebody their goodbye and have that be a standalone announcement before you then announce who's replacing them. And the fact that the president didn't do that says a lot to me. But here's what Trump put out there. I am pleased to announce that Mr. Stephen Miller, the current deputy chief of staff of the Trump administration and one of my most trusted advisers, will become the chief of staff starting Monday, November 9th, 2026. Susie Wiles, who has done an outstanding job, will be moving over to the Trump political operation. I want to thank her for her service as chief of staff. She has done a great job! Exclamation point. That's it. That says a lot. She got second willing in her goodbye. 00:11:36 Speaker 1: But what does it say, though? 00:11:38 Speaker 2: Nothing. 00:11:39 Speaker 1: Nothing. But what does that say about the relationship? What does it say? Like you said, that says a lot. 00:11:44 Speaker 2: I mean, what do we It says he was done. 00:11:46 Speaker 1: He was done. That's all. Maybe no bad blood, but that's not a hug on the way out the door. 00:11:54 Speaker 2: No. I don't even think that's much of an attaboy. That's just, yeah, just keep on moving. Don't let

the door hit you. 00:12:00 Speaker 1: Well, just over to the Trump political operation. 00:12:03 Speaker 2: What does that even mean? 00:12:04 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you didn't have to give her a big, whoop-dee-doo, because she's still going to be around and be active in some way. 00:12:11 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's funny, too, in this announcement that was only, what, two sentences? He managed to use his name twice in it. It's just, yes, it's all very telling. And look, taking a look at the women, and the women that have exited this administration in recent weeks, I mean, as of this recording, these all happened in fairly short order from one another. I mean, Katie Zachariah had five days as press secretary. 00:12:36 Speaker 1: Really just. 00:12:37 Speaker 2: Five days. 00:12:38 Speaker 1: 14 minutes. Really? 00:12:39 Speaker 2: That's all. 00:12:40 Speaker 1: It was one. 00:12:40 Speaker 2: That poor thing. 14 minute. 00:12:42 Speaker 1: That poor girl. 00:12:43 Speaker 2: Press conference. If you can even call it that. 00:12:45 Speaker 1: But she could fall back on her legal. 00:12:48 Speaker 2: Oh. 00:12:48 Speaker 1: Isn't that something? Do we still not know? She didn't pass the bar. She has a law degree, didn't pass the bar. 00:12:53 Speaker 2: Correct. 00:12:53 Speaker 1: Call her what you want to call her. 00:12:54 Speaker 2: Correct. And now she'll continue in her private sector life as a non-lawyer. Yes. I don't know, will she even be able to be a legal analyst anymore? I bet you her television career as a legal analyst is over as well. I mean, that's tough to come back on television after everything that you've just suffered. 00:13:14 Speaker 1: As a legal, representing something legal. Without telling us last time that you weren't really this thing. Like, you have an idea of somebody's credentials, babe. 00:13:25 Speaker 2: That's tough. 00:13:26 Speaker 1: I've seen her show up on a conservative outlet or two, so she might have some space there. But it's hard, right? A CNN or a Fox News or whatever. You bring these people on that says legal analyst. 00:13:41 Speaker 2: She's discredited. 00:13:42 Speaker 1: Nobody's going to look at. That's going to be in their mind. 00:13:44 Speaker 2: She's discredited. There's nothing she could do. Now, Kristi Noem, yes, she was... She resigned. Resigned. 00:13:52 Speaker 1: She shifted over. They said she was moving over to a different... Right. This is Mark Wayne. 00:13:57 Speaker 2: Mark Wayne. 00:13:57 Speaker 1: Dude took over. 00:13:58 Speaker 2: Dude, again. 00:13:59 Speaker 1: Oklahoma, right? 00:14:00 Speaker 2: Yes, there's an absolute exhibit A right there. 00:14:04 Speaker 1: And Kristi Noem, she got moved. 00:14:06 Speaker 2: She was. 00:14:08 Speaker 1: Well, she was being beaten up in the press for a couple of weeks there. Everything was happening in Minnesota. Remember how she came out and responded and told us what we were seeing in that video didn't really happen. She was getting

the blame for a lot of what was going wrong. 00:14:21 Speaker 2: A lot of these women did end up being scapegoats for Trump policy. And so it wasn't necessarily their leadership or their decision, but they were forced to be the face of Trump policy that turned out to be Very politically unpopular, and certainly in the case with Minnesota, all of those ICE agents, yes, her telling us something that we knew not to be true, that was difficult. But she was put in an impossible situation, some might argue, by being forced to defend the actions. And maybe that was her choice to defend them or not, but she thought she was doing what she was supposed to be doing. to be a Trump cabinet member, but that ended up being her undoing. 00:15:06 Speaker 1: Did she have to be on a horse in a TSA ad? Do I need to see her as I'm showing the agent my boarding pass? Do I need to see a promo of her robes? Do I need to see her in that hat and out there styling along the border? A lot of her stuff, robes. And what was the guy from Louisiana, the Senator Kennedy? from Louisiana, was questioning her about this. 00:15:34 Speaker 2: Millions of dollars. 00:15:35 Speaker 1: In ad spend. And she made it sound as if Trump okayed it. Like, Trump knew about it. 00:15:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you went into an airport during that period of time, and we even saw it, it's like a Kristi Noem MTV video or something. You're like, what is going on? 00:15:49 Speaker 1: It's kind of amazing. 00:15:51 Speaker 2: It was so self-promotional. And at the taxpayer's dime, on the taxpayer's dime, I can understand why President Trump was annoyed by that. But then you also, yes, have to ask yourself, was she given a long leash? Was she told, hey, do what you need to do to. 00:16:08 Speaker 2: Make or change the image of the department of Homeland security. And she took it and ran with it and jumped on a horse. I mean, obviously we don't want to imply that somehow part of what her undoing wasn't her own choices. And, but we just don't know what was going on behind the scenes with that. And then there's Pam Bondi. Speaking of a scapegoat, obviously the whole Epstein situation blew up in her face and she's the one who took the fall. for the release, non-release, sort of release, partial release, kind of, sort of release. And then what do you do when part of that release is exposing documents that your boss, the president of the United States, doesn't want to be unredacted or get out there? 00:16:53 Speaker 1: She was, if you remember at the beginning, I can't remember the statement she made about, like something was on her desk. She was going to release absolutely everything. She came out there. Like, she was very much like, yes, open. Let's put it out there. She was a hero to everybody. Okay, they're going to release this stuff. And then they started pumping the brakes a little bit. And then she had robes. I don't know what happened. Somebody got in her ear where she understood the assignment. Because

she used to testify on Capitol Hill. And we always thought she was sane. And what I mean is she seemed straightforward. We remember her hearings, her confirmation hearings. I'm like, okay, she seems straightforward. They seem to like her. We know she works for the president. But Rome, she started coming to testify at those hearings and just went off the rails. Any Democrat that asked her a question, she looked at her note. Well, Senator, what about the time that you took money from that? And it just, she lost me. But she became, when somebody got in her ear and she understood that she needed to go out there and perform for the president and defend him tooth and nail. And it just, all that ended up sinking her, babe. 00:18:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, the deflection, the defense, it doesn't work. But you see these women who are... Under the belief, it does appear that they had to say certain things. They couldn't say other things in order to keep their jobs, which ended up costing them their jobs. I mean, you definitely saw that happen time and time again. And then you have former labor secretary, correct? 00:18:44 Speaker 1: She didn't last long. 00:18:45 Speaker 2: Lori Chavez de Riemer. She didn't last long at all. She stepped down over misconduct. That was in April. Not a lot was made about her just because I don't think she hadn't become a household name at that point. Sure. And then Tulsi Gabbard, this was all a little fuzzy. She resigned, cited her husband's health. 00:19:04 Speaker 1: And he did have a serious, like a rare cancer, I believe even they said, but she was going through it. She had been shut out. She had kind of been on the outs. She did. She disappeared. She disappeared. 00:19:16 Speaker 2: And speaking of disappearing, well, the president had hoped that by giving Kimberly Guilfoyle an assignment as U.S. ambassador to Greece that she would disappear into paradise, right? He's got his son who was once engaged to her. She was, he doesn't want to fully admit it, but pretty much a member of the Trump family. 00:19:36 Speaker 1: I swear, that was hilarious. 00:19:37 Speaker 2: In and out of every holiday, every event, every campaign. She was there. 00:19:42 Speaker 1: She was in that gaggle. 00:19:44 Speaker 2: For more than, I mean, for years, right? And so now, suddenly, he's seen with this socialite, this younger, blonde socialite, and all of a sudden, they're engaged. Don Jr., yes, I should point that out. Not the president. And yes, she's... Oh, they broke up. Oh, she's going to become the ambassador to Greece. Until there were problems. 00:20:08 Speaker 1: Gross. He... They broke up and they literally shipped her off to Greece. 00:20:14 Speaker 2: Literally. She knows where the bodies, I shouldn't say bodies are buried, but she knows where the skeletons are. She clearly has information. They would like to stay with her and never leave. And look, if they can, I mean, I guess at this point, I don't know what they do, but she's back in the United States, allegedly living with her first ex-husband right now. Really? I didn't know this. 00:20:35 Speaker 1: Yes, in Florida. 00:20:35 Speaker 2: What? Oh, I've been keeping up with Kimberly Gil for a while. What? Yes. That's who she shares an adult son with. That was her first husband before Gavin Newsom. 00:20:44 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. 00:20:44 Speaker 2: And apparently they stayed in good, they were just, you know, friendly. So now he's letting her stay while she figures. 00:20:52 Speaker 1: Out where she lives. That's amazing. How old is the kid? Adult at this point. 00:20:55 Speaker 2: 20-something. Yeah, he's older. Yep, yep, yep, yep. 00:20:57 Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness. That was breaking news to me. I don't watch as closely what's happening with Kimberly Guilfoyle. 00:21:03 Speaker 2: Yes, but as we talk about all these women who have been removed from their positions in some form or fashion for whatever public reason being given, there are plenty of men who have been embattled in the Trump administration and have been able to survive, surprisingly, shockingly, actually, despite rumors contrary to their ability to do so. 00:21:29 Speaker 1: Robes, have Hexeth and Kash Patel, wouldn't they have a long list of fireable offenses? Objectively speaking. 00:21:40 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 00:21:40 Speaker 1: Wouldn't they? 00:21:41 Speaker 2: Kash Patel, I can just right now, just following the Savannah Guthrie, Nancy Guthrie investigation. 00:21:48 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, yeah. 00:21:50 Speaker 2: Yes, and that was a big debacle. Then he also stepped in with Charlie Kirk as well, saying that there was an arrest that had been made, that they actually had a wrong guy that they were questioning. I mean, he was so quick to publicly try and claim some sort of victory against whatever would-be assassin, shooter, wrongdoer, that he got the facts wrong. Like, he would go on to X and say things that weren't true. He inserted himself. He got busted flying around on the taxpayer's dime to go check in with, you know, the U.S. hockey team. 00:22:26 Speaker 1: He had a security meeting. 00:22:28 Speaker 2: Okay, he had a security meeting. And he decided to drink a beer with the U.S. hockey team. 00:22:32 Speaker 1: Well, his flight wasn't until the next morning. 00:22:34 Speaker 2: Right. The point being is optically, there have been some major issues with him. And then I would say informationally, like shouldn't you be able to trust what the FBI director puts out on social media when it comes to solving a crime or the latest update on a would-be assassin on the run? No, he's proven time and time again you cannot trust what he says because he's so interested in being first or putting his name to it. that he doesn't actually consider the validity of what he's saying. 00:23:09 Speaker 1: The first thought came to mind. It wasn't even a thought. It was an image when we started talking about this. Him chugging that beer, slamming it down in the

locker room. I mean, that's your FBI director. Fine, have some fun. I'm not knocking that, but I'm saying. Not if you just go against Rogues, not even job performance. Optically, he has done enough that you could see someone saying, you're out of here because you keep being a distraction. 00:23:36 Speaker 2: Correct. And speaking of distraction, how about that massive report about him drinking on the job where there were multiple sources and getting specific about actually having to have a department, an agency, get a door-breaking device so that when he's passed out drunk, they can get him and wake him up to tell him, hey, you might want to be paying attention to something that's going on. 00:24:00 Speaker 1: He denied the allegations. I'm just saying. That was the Atlantic? 00:24:07 Speaker 2: Correct. 00:24:08 Speaker 1: That did that. He sued them, did he not? I don't know where that case is, but didn't he file some $ 100 million suit? 00:24:14 Speaker 2: Okay, well, when you are a public figure, good luck with defamation. But the problem being is you have rescinded all rights to privacy when you become a public figure. So I don't know where that's going, but I know that's a tall order. And certainly a publication like The Atlantic, look, they had multiple sources. This wasn't a single source. This wasn't even a double source. These were multiple sources from multiple folks all discussing similar behavior that involved an abuse. 00:24:40 Speaker 1: Of alcohol on the job. That was a well-sourced and that was a long and detailed article. That story had legs for maybe about a week. 00:24:49 Speaker 2: And who's still on the job? 00:24:50 Speaker 1: Those two. Is there any way? It's hard to compare. I can't imagine a woman. It's hard to do that. It's hard to say if a woman had blank. 00:25:01 Speaker 2: If she had all of the points against her that Kash Patel does from a public standpoint, from a investigative standpoint, from just a you got it wrong standpoint and it's verifiable, she would never have lasted as long as he did, ever. I actually feel very strongly that that is the case. 00:25:21 Speaker 1: Pam Bondi chugging a beer in the USA women's hockey locker room. 00:25:26 Speaker 2: Telling us that people had been arrested who hadn't been. Telling us that crimes were solved when they hadn't been. 00:25:34 Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay. 00:25:35 Speaker 2: You're playing cute, right? Because obviously that's true. 00:25:39 Speaker 1: Well, it's hard to do. It's hard to make the comparison. I don't know. I can't imagine a woman doing any of the stuff that these dudes have done. I mean, we haven't even talked about Hegseth, the things he's done. 00:25:47 Speaker 2: We have not talked about Hegseth. 00:25:49 Speaker 1: I mean, I would go first to the announcement of a live stream hanging. Excuse me, not a hanging. Firing squad. 00:25:55 Speaker 2: From a man who's in a wheelchair. 00:25:57 Speaker 1: Yes. That the president didn't seem to even

know that announcement was being made. That seemed, that rose to the level. 00:26:04 Speaker 2: Yes, it does seem like that. And look, as of this recording, we should say he still has his cabinet position as the department of war. And not only when he was hearing the rumors. 00:26:12 Speaker 1: Along with the rest of us, just. 00:26:14 Speaker 2: Because that's what he had behind him when he made that video. So this is somebody it's interesting how men handle. Rumors like this versus women. So a woman might actually resign just to get it over with, to not have to deal with any sort of people saying whatever they're going to say, or waiting for the president to make a decision. Pete Hexeth doubles down, makes a video, and says, you know, booyah. I mean, it's remarkable just the way he's chosen to react to folks who believe that he is on shaky ground with the president. He goes on to say, hell yeah, I did. I am a huge part of the architecture of the Iran war, and we've done great. They're on their knees. We got them up against the wall. I mean, again, he's somebody, much like we heard from Kristi Noem, basically saying that They've got this. They're telling us something that isn't true and expecting us to believe it, that this war is going to be over within a matter of weeks. It's been almost a year, and we're winning it. They can't even function as a country, slash the Strait of Hormuz is still causing oil prices to skyrocket. So it's like he says one thing, but we know the truth is the other, and he's still on the job. 00:27:45 Speaker 1: Your point there being a woman did the exact same thing and she was out of a job. 00:27:50 Speaker 2: Correct. 00:27:53 Speaker 1: So why then? I mean, if the president was putting these women in these positions in the first place, giving high profile and important assignments to these women. 00:28:05 Speaker 2: And then he thought they couldn't hack it. And so he got rid of them pretty quickly and. 00:28:08 Speaker 1: Replaced them with men. But I can't. How do I or how do we. Look at him firing them and how to balance that against him hiring them in the first place. Right? He can't be against women if he's hiring women. 00:28:22 Speaker 2: I think he doesn't... I think there is... It appears from the outside looking in that he might be willing to give an opportunity to a woman, but the moment she shows him that he doesn't... The moment he believes she can't handle the pressure or the moment he believes... she can't deal with incoming or the moment he believes she didn't do something the way he would have done it, he gets rid of her or he makes sure that she leaves and resigns. But I do think he gives more leeway, more discretion to men to make choices. And if they make the wrong choice, he gives them more of an opportunity to figure it out or to right a wrong or to defend themselves in a way that women just haven't been given those same opportunities. when they mess up, if they don't do something the way he likes, they're out. And I do think that he has given way more leeway to men. And I think it's a, I would have to explain it as just, he has a more of a trust that a man knows what to do. 00:29:25 Speaker 1: Is he Mr. Merciful though? Because some of these women came under scrutiny, intense public scrutiny. Zachariah is one. She was on the other five days. But in that case, in the case of Pam Bondi, in the case of Kristi Noem, Guilfoyle even, is there any argument that he didn't want to see them have to go through that or continue? 00:29:53 Speaker 2: He was sparing them public shame? 00:29:56 Speaker 1: That's what I'm asking. 00:29:57 Speaker 2: He might be thinking it from that perspective. That's possible. In fact, definitely with Katie Zachariah, the way he worded it was basically like he said, I told her, you don't need this. You've got a good job. You've got a good family. You don't need this. I don't want you to have to bear this scrutiny. I don't want you to have to suffer from this. the media that is just out to get you. So yes, but I think a lot of women might find that offensive that we need someone to take care of us to make sure we don't feel as much pain. And some women might think that's very gallant and, and, um, fatherly or grandfatherly of him to look at women like that. But I think a lot of women might take offense to it. I mean, it's just, it does depend on how you see, um, What he's doing and why you believe he's doing it. Well, I don't think, this is all conjecture. We don't really know. But the fact remains that most of the high-powered women he has put in positions of power are now no longer in those positions. 00:31:04 Speaker 1: Who's left in a high profile? There are a few other women. I can't name them. Leffler. There are a few cabinet. I think it's two or three left in the cabinet. in some areas, but as far as influential members of his circle, who's left, who has left in this administration that is a woman that is representing it in front of the world in some way? 00:31:32 Speaker 2: I mean, Jeanine Pirro would be somebody who he put in a position to investigate the reflecting pond. And when she came out and had to take away or remove the charges against the former Olympian, um, he didn't really feel like he wanted to continue on with her as well. I actually think if he could get rid of her, he would get rid of Jeanine Pirro too, because he made it very clear he was super unhappy with how she handled that case. 00:32:00 Speaker 1: She's an attorney working in an office. She's not in the administration. She's not in the White House. Who's left? 00:32:07 Speaker 2: I was just trying to come up with and name a household name of a powerful female figure in the Trump administration. Are we missing anyone? 00:32:17 Speaker 1: We're overlooking something. It's bothering me now. I feel like we're overlooking. Or are we not, baby? That's everybody. Every famous name that was attached to his administration as a woman, we knew them all. 00:32:29 Speaker 2: I mean. 00:32:29 Speaker 1: And they're all gone. 00:32:31 Speaker 2: I know. I'm trying to think who, because the only person I can think of is his own daughter, and she has nothing to do with his administration. 00:32:39 Speaker 1: But she's pretty... We see her all the time. 00:32:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's got her own thing going on, and it's not. 00:32:45 Speaker 1: I forgot about Linda McMahon, Secretary of Education. Okay. 00:32:50 Speaker 2: That is a department that's being disbanded, is it not? 00:32:52 Speaker 1: It's why she's a secretary. She's there to tear it down. 00:32:55 Speaker 2: Correct. So she's there in a position that is soon to not be a position. 00:32:59 Speaker 1: Kelly Leffler, Small Business Administration, and then Secretary of Agriculture, Brooke Rollins. That's the other one. So education, agriculture, and the Small Business Administration. 00:33:11 Speaker 2: None of those women are household names. None of those women are in any... significant position of power. I think that's a fair point. I mean, truly. The Secretary of Agriculture and the Secretary of Education. 00:33:23 Speaker 1: Okay. Important departments. 00:33:25 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:33:25 Speaker 1: It's not state or defense, of course. Well, we'll see what happens. 00:33:31 Speaker 2: They're not high profile. 00:33:32 Speaker 1: That's a fair way to put it. I was about to... No, you know, let's end on that note. I was about to get myself in trouble. All right, folks. We appreciate you as always. I'm TJ on behalf of my dear Amy Robot. We'll talk to you all soon.