Is Time Real? — Intentionally Blank Ep. 278의 전체 녹취록

00:03:40.400 Okay. 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:41.520 Yeah. 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:43.039 Anyway. 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:44.240 Oh, wait. 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:45.919 Wait, does this mean I stole the food? 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:58.560 Wait, one member of the family said, I'm reading this in Spanish, said that the thief's objective was the money that was allocated for the clothes of the bridal couple. 00:03:58.719 --> 00:03:59.280 Oh, wow. 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:00.080 What? 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:02.560 So the wedding casher. 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:03.680 Yeah. 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:07.120 That's solid. 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:08.400 Oh man. 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:11.120 I'm impressed with how quickly you come up with those. 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:11.919 Sometimes. 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:15.680 Puns are the lowest form of comedy, but you are. 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:22.959 Our comment sections, comment sections are able to crowdfund puns faster than we can come up with them. 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:24.720 But yes, the wedding cachers. 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:28.800 So yeah, a couple of depressing food heists. 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:32.720 One that's not really good and another one that is good, but also ruined a wedding. 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:45.439 So that is a great segue to Donald asking us distressing questions because we did a podcast like this a while ago where he came up with difficult questions for us to answer. 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:46.000 Oh, okay. 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:47.040 Controversies. 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:49.279 So not necessarily distressing questions. 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:50.000 They could be. 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:50.959 They're controversial. 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:51.279 Okay. 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:52.800 They could be really distressing. 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:53.680 Oh my gosh. 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:54.079 Yeah. 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:57.600 Like last time I remember some heated discussions. 00:04:57.839 --> 00:04:58.959 That's where the Kit Kat came from. 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:08.079 Hey, so Donald, keep in mind today is the first day of the week that I have not felt clinically depressed. 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:13.439 So if you spiral me into a crash, I'm eating the rest of your hamburger. 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:14.079 Deal. 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:16.959 But I won't enjoy it because I'll be depressed. 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:19.759 Okay. 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:23.040 And kicks just keep getting harder to find. 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:24.480 Anyway, go ahead. 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:25.040 Okay. 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:32.399 Well, the first one that I have is do you own land to the center of the earth? 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:33.360 Oh. 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:34.000 Oh. 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:36.639 I mean, legally, no. 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:38.800 Next question. 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:43.199 I mean, but kind of you should, right? 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:44.560 Like, who owns that? 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:51.439 It should

be like the person, like, you know, you can dig pretty deep on your land and you have those rights, right? 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:59.439 You can dig pretty deep, but there is a legal limit, like, under which you can't do it. 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:06.319 Like, we can frack into substrate deep under your homes, and there's nothing you can do about it. 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:11.439 Someone else can say you can legally trespass by digging too deep. 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:12.800 That's huh. 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:13.199 Right? 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:15.360 I mean, that's what the dwarves did in Moria. 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:15.680 Yeah. 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:20.240 So they trespassed upon the uh the land belonging to the Balrog. 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:20.800 Mm-hmm. 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:21.279 Yeah. 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:21.759 Yeah. 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:25.920 They were trying to frack down in the foundations of the earth. 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:27.680 Frack is such a weird word. 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:30.720 Hey, you said earlier, weird word, you said sneaked. 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:32.639 Do you sneaked instead of snuck? 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:33.360 I do. 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:36.639 I say sneaked and I say hanged instead of hung. 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:37.439 Yeah. 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:37.759 Yeah. 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:38.319 Hanged. 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:43.040 It was somehow those words became firm in my vocabulary. 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.240 Do you use hanged for more than just an execution? 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:47.839 I don't think so. 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:49.759 Like you say hung it on a hook. 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:51.199 Yeah, you would say that. 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:52.879 I didn't hang it on a hook. 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:53.920 Yeah, I use hanged. 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:54.639 Like that one. 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:55.680 But sneaked. 00:06:55.759 --> 00:07:03.600 I do say sneaked because I snuck to me, whatever teacher taught me this, snuck sounds like bad English to me. 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:08.319 I remember once, like, did this happen to you as a writer? 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:11.120 You become a professional writer and you start writing. 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:14.480 And then you see a word on the page and you're like, wait a minute. 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:18.399 Is that the right word, or is that just the word I use? 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:21.680 And that happened to me early in my career with sneaked. 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:23.120 And then I really snuck. 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:26.079 And I'm like, I don't know which is the word. 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:30.480 And it was it was a little bit of a small moral crisis to me that I didn't know. 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:32.319 And then I loved and look it up. 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:34.399 And the dictionary said both are correct. 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:34.720 Oh. 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:36.639 So it didn't help me. 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:38.959 So my first or second grade teacher. 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:50.800 Anyway, no, what happens to me more often is that all of a sudden, some part of my brain that's never seen this word before will see it and go, is that a real word? 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:53.680 Wait, the most recent one I remember was rash. 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:59.920 I had written the word rash and I was like, those letters don't even make sense next to each other. 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:00.959 What is going on? 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:02.000 You're giggling. 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:02.800 This happens regularly. 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:07.199 Oh no, I'm I'm laughing to myself because I think I had this happen to me when I wrote walk. 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:08.639 I was like, walk. 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:08.959 What? 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:09.680 Wait, walk. 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:11.600 Why is there we spell walk? 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:12.560 We spell walk? 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:13.439 What's wrong with us? 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:20.480 And I wonder if other languages have this issue as much as English, because our orthography is so bad. 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.800 And so maybe in languages that make slightly more sense, they don't have this. 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:28.160 But I don't think it's because the spelling is actively weird. 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.279 Like rash, there's nothing weird about that spelling. 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:38.000 It's just you write so many things that your brain says, oh, sorry, yeah, I've deleted that word. 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:38.399 Yeah. 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:41.200 And I guess we have to resave it now. 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:45.279 This isn't on my question list, but I am genuinely curious. 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:46.960 Do you two have a favorite word? 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:47.919 No. 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:48.720 Thwart. 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:49.600 Thwart. 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:50.240 Why? 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:52.639 Thwart is my favorite word by far. 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:54.320 First of all, I love the thwa. 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:57.840 I love weird consonant clusters like warmth. 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:02.879 Because most people in English will put a P into it instead of saying warmth. 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:09.360 It's very hard to get from a voiced M to a voiceless th without something in between. 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:21.120 And so I love those kinds of words, but thwart, not only is it a cool word that you only say when you're being awesome, but just that consonant cluster in particular delights me. 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:22.480 So that's my favorite word. 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:23.120 What's that? 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:24.000 Can I say my favorite word? 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:25.200 Yeah, what's your favorite word, Ollie? 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:26.240 Come say it in the microphone. 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:29.360 Pneumono ultramicoscopic silicon of kiniconiosis. 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:30.000 Nerd. 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:32.080 Nerd, you

left out a syllable though. 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:33.039 It's pneumono. 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:35.600 Yeah, I always said that wrong when I was a kid too. 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:35.919 Yeah. 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:43.039 How many kids memorize black lung disease, the scientific terminology, because it's the longest word in the English language? 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:51.279 I genuinely think that learning that word is the single most valuable thing I got out of elementary school. 00:09:51.600 --> 00:10:04.720 Because it taught me that big words were not scary, that they were understandable, that if you broke it down, you could learn how to spell it, that you could learn what it means, that words could be fun and cool. 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:07.919 I I have deep love for that word because of that. 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:11.919 I I I don't think I did. 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:16.480 You said new no or pneumo instead of pneumono. 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:17.519 Okay. 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:20.559 Well, it's definitely the Pop Tarts problem. 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:24.720 So I learned in grade school to tie my shoes. 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:25.759 It's been really handy. 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:26.240 Okay. 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:31.519 I remember learning that, and I remember thinking this is hard, but I'm gonna do it and learning it. 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:37.039 The States song has been really handy to me because I use it as my soundtrack. 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:38.559 Yeah, uh-huh. 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:42.879 I learned music, and that was really handy. 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:46.000 Just having a basic understanding of music just useful. 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:48.320 So those are things that I remember I learned. 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:49.600 And also the program. 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:50.879 We had turtles. 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:51.440 Oh, what? 00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:51.919 Turtle. 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:52.240 Yeah. 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:52.559 Yeah. 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:52.960 Huh. 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:55.519 So, Donald, you're just a little too young for this. 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:57.120 I think Donald's a lot too young. 00:10:57.519 --> 00:10:58.080 A lot too young. 00:10:58.159 --> 00:10:59.360 No, Ollie's a lot too young. 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:00.559 Donald's a little too young. 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:01.919 Donald, when were you born? 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:02.639 99. 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:03.120 See? 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:06.240 Like, I don't think anyone is even using Turtle by 99. 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:07.279 No, they weren't. 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:10.799 But you know, that's that's I was using it in the 90s. 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:11.679 Oh, well. 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:12.080 Okay. 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:13.039 Fancy. 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:13.679 Maybe. 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:14.000 Maybe. 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:19.840 I remember learning it in school, and then my mom sent me to a summer class. 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:20.559 Uh-huh. 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:22.240 And I was like nine or ten. 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:28.720 And she would just drop me off in this building, and I would go in and learn turtle for a while. 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:40.879 So, Donald, turtle is a very basic way to teach kids programming by giving instructions to a little icon on a screen that they would call the turtle. 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:42.399 It's really just a mouse icon. 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:44.000 And you would give it an order of operations. 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:46.399 I don't remember. 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:48.960 I mean, it was not a photorealistic turtle. 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:52.159 You gave it an order of operations and it did them in the order you gave them. 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:53.600 And it would draw a line anywhere it went. 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:57.519 I think you actually had to tell it to turn turn off the line. 00:11:57.919 --> 00:11:58.399 Yeah, you could. 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:01.840 Clearly, my summer class at nine years old did not. 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:05.440 Maybe it's on default to draw the line, but maybe it's not. 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:07.039 But you could have it lift up and stuff. 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:18.480 Basically, you'd try to figure out how to draw things by saying, turn right this degree, go forward this many pixels, turn right, and it just got you thinking about, you know. 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:28.960 You could set up repeats so that you know you would have it go off at a weird angle and turn at a weird angle and then repeat that and build like a flower. 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:32.000 It was a really good program for teaching programming. 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:34.960 I assume, since they don't use it anymore, that they have better stuff now. 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:35.519 Right. 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:40.080 But it it introduced to me the concepts of programming, and that stuck with me all this time. 00:12:40.879 --> 00:12:42.879 And also, you've died of dysentery. 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:45.360 Did you play that? 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:47.519 I actually have never played Oregon Trail. 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:49.120 Yeah, we played that in computer labs. 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:56.399 And I am in what people call the Oregon Trail generation, which is tail end of X and beginning of millennial. 00:12:56.879 --> 00:12:59.360 But no, my school didn't do Oregon Trail. 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:02.080 We did something with a bird. 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:06.480 It was like a trivia and puzzle solving competition. 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:11.279 And my team actually went to a national level. 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:18.159 But you know, it was all done over very early internet, so it was just in the computer room at my elementary school. 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:20.320 But yeah, I got them to Oregon. 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:22.000 You got to Oregon, huh? 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:23.759 I got them to Oregon. 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:24.879 It's hard to

do. 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:26.639 My family's died a lot. 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:29.840 And I don't think I ever got to Oregon intact. 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:34.559 Meaning somebody starved, someone died of dysentery, somebody yeah. 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:36.159 So that's cool. 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:37.039 That's fair. 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:38.799 See, you guys had to deal with that. 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:42.879 I put Halo onto all the school computers, and that was my great accomplishment. 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:45.360 Let me tell you, killed a lot of classes. 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:50.000 So that was high school, but not grade school that we were doing stuff like that. 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:55.360 But yeah, they didn't know, people didn't know a lot about computers during our day. 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:58.639 So we got we could get away with all kinds of crap. 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:00.159 We got away with a lot of things. 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:05.039 And to be clear, you also got away with a lot of crap, but it's because you were good at it. 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:06.240 Yes, we were not good at it. 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:08.320 We did not have to be good at it to get away with it. 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:19.919 Jord, my brother, who's been on the podcast, famously went to the computer lab in high school and loaded every computer with a thing that had a picture of a Mickey Mouse on it that any key you typed, he flipped you off. 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:21.440 Mm-hmm. 00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:24.960 And you had to hit the exact specific keystroke to take it off. 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:26.559 He put it on all the computers. 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:29.759 So there's Mickey flipping the bird at everybody. 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:32.320 So that's a Jordo story for you. 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:43.519 No, when I was in eighth grade, probably eighth grade, I found in the typing class that I had that someone had installed Prince of Persia on the computers. 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:43.840 Nice. 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:46.480 And I became a master Prince of Persia. 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:47.759 Made by one dude. 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:52.000 I could do sword fights in early Prince of Persia like you would not believe. 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:52.799 They were hard. 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:54.399 I was so good at it. 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:59.360 I don't think I've ever been as good at a video game as I was in Prince of Persia. 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:05.440 But very quickly and completely off topic, you mentioned Joro being on the podcast. 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:06.080 Yes. 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:12.399 And there's something that I want to say, I want to admit and explain to our listeners. 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:20.080 The episodes that our wives were on, you weren't as bad as I was, but we both did it. 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:24.799 We both talked so much and talked over them. 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:29.679 And so I just, first of all, I want to apologize for that. 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:31.039 But I also want to say why. 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:33.759 Brandon and I have been podcasting for almost 20 years. 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:34.240 Yep. 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:46.879 We are so trained to fill dead air that when Dawn would pause to think about something without even realizing I was doing it, I would jump on top and start talking. 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:47.840 That's what you do. 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:55.279 Anytime there's a break, or even you look at the other podcasters and you see they're searching for something, you start talking so they get time to search. 00:15:55.519 --> 00:16:01.360 So they get time to search and we've done it with some of the other guests that we have on as well. 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:05.679 But with Don and Emily is the only time I've felt bad about it. 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:06.399 Right. 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:10.159 We're not interviewer podcasters, we're entertainer podcasts. 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:13.120 Your mileage may vary. 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:16.399 Right? 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:19.120 But we're not here to inform you. 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:22.080 We're here to say stupid things. 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:24.399 And we're real good at it. 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:25.919 And we're real good at that. 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:28.480 And then occasionally it might be entertaining. 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:35.919 And when you're the color commentary and not the play-by-play commentary, your job is to jump in. 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:36.320 Yeah. 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:37.360 So yeah. 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:38.080 Yeah. 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:42.159 So I went and I listened to the Dawn episode and was like, dang. 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:44.960 And it got so bad that I was interrupting her. 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:47.519 And that's when that's when I felt really bad about it. 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:49.440 But anyway, that's why. 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:51.919 Do we have more stressing questions? 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:55.519 He's probably got 30, and we've gotten through one in our halfway three. 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:56.320 12 minutes. 00:16:57.360 --> 00:16:59.360 I have learned in this podcast. 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:00.080 You know what? 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:01.519 Just have just have a few. 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:06.000 But look, look how many copies of Fire's December exact and pages I've signed. 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:06.400 Uh-huh. 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:06.880 Awesome. 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:07.920 This is why we're here. 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:09.279 The point has been served. 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:10.400 Alrighty. 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:14.160 Should chocolate be considered a vegetable? 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:24.400 Um the answer is no, because vegetable oil isn't considered a vegetable, and chocolate is kind of the oil. 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:30.319 Like, yeah, there's the cocoa and stuff like that, but we don't consider peanuts. 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:34.160

Yeah, are beans and nuts considered vegetables? 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:35.680 I think beans are, aren't they? 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:37.119 They're legumes. 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:38.240 They're legumes. 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:47.119 And if you're the kind of person who's like, tomatoes aren't a vegetable, they're fruit, there's no way you're going to accept a legume as a vegetable either. 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:48.000 Huh. 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:48.559 Okay. 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:51.680 So I think we're pretty agreed on this. 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:54.559 Like asking us dumb questions, Donald. 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:57.680 You can't consider it a vegetable in the same way. 00:17:57.839 --> 00:17:58.079 Yeah. 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:08.240 Whoever submitted this question was hoping that we would like go into a huge what is a hot dog conversation like we did before. 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:12.319 But no, our answer is stop being children. 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:14.960 No, we like these questions. 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:17.519 Keep being children. 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:19.039 Okay. 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:22.559 Well, I'll try and give you one that I guess isn't childish, Dan. 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:28.000 Because I only answer adult mature questions and I answer them maturely. 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:28.640 Right. 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:37.279 So, of course, the question of would you rather fight a hundred duck-side horses or one horse-sized duck is accurate to what you're looking for. 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:37.839 Oh, yeah. 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:38.079 Yeah. 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:39.359 Didn't we answer this one? 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:40.480 Not to my knowledge. 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:41.359 I don't know. 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:42.720 Wow, that's the classic. 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:43.279 Yep. 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:43.920 Yeah. 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:46.160 I think I take the horse-sized duck. 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:47.039 Do you? 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:48.160 I think I do. 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:50.240 I take the duck-sized horses. 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:51.359 The duck-sized horses. 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:53.440 So horses are actually pretty fragile. 00:18:53.759 --> 00:18:55.279 They're more fragile than ducks. 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:57.599 And I know I could take a hundred ducks. 00:18:58.079 --> 00:18:58.400 Right? 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:03.599 Like a duck is gonna have real trouble doing serious damage to me. 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:04.880 It's gonna be painful. 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:07.039 But but you're gonna recover. 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:11.440 I'm gonna recover, and a horse is just way less scary than a duck. 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:14.960 I guess a duck the size of a horse, a duck is already kind of dangerous. 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:16.079 Here's my question. 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:19.279 So much of the visible volume of a duck is feathers. 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:19.680 Yeah. 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:21.599 The actual duck body is small. 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:24.319 So is it visually the size of a horse? 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:29.359 Or is it fully the size of a horse and then has feathers expanding out from there? 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:30.319 That's a good question. 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:34.640 I mean, we have kind of horse-sized ducks in emus and things like that. 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:36.880 They are uh mean. 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:37.839 They are mean. 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:40.400 And they're dangerous and they're difficult, right? 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:46.000 Like uh they are dinosaurs, and a horse is a prey species that yeah. 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:52.240 But here's the thing I am gonna feel bad kicking and stepping on a hundred tiny horses. 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:53.119 You absolutely would. 00:19:53.440 --> 00:20:00.240 Whereas giving my life to kill a giant duck is gonna be a good use of my life. 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:00.799 Okay. 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:04.960 Okay, because this ducks are good argument, vermin creatures. 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:07.839 They taste delicious, but they are disgusting. 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:08.400 Okay. 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:11.440 Are you going into this fight thinking you're not gonna win? 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:12.480 I don't know. 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:15.519 Depends on how big how much time do I have to prepare? 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:16.319 Batman style. 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:21.599 I knew you were gonna say like an emu is kind of not even a horse size. 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:22.240 We're talking about. 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:24.480 Emu's are smaller, but like an ostrich. 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:24.880 Yeah. 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:25.839 Horses are big. 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:27.359 You know, that's twice the size. 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:28.640 Horses are enormous. 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:28.880 Yeah. 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:32.559 Also, like is this the size of a riding horse? 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:34.960 Is this the size of a Clydesdale? 00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:38.240 A double-sized the size of Lil Sebastian? 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:43.440 Like a double-sized ostrich with a worse attitude. 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:44.079 Yeah. 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:45.680 Seems really dangerous to me. 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:46.799 And the flight. 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:48.720 The biggest thing to me is they can fly. 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:49.839 You just lose at that point. 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:51.839 I don't know if they can't fly if they're that big, though. 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:56.160 You think they just they won't have the square cube law, square cublaw, square cublaw. 00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:56.640 Good point. 00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:59.359 So that's why the big ones we're talking about don't fly. 00:20:59.599 --> 00:20:59.759 True. 00:20:59.920 --> 00:21:01.920 But I think I'm still picking the little horses. 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:03.039 It'll be sad. 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:06.240 But I still survive to put flowers at your grave.

00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:13.119 Maybe this is because ducks have been normalized as kind of stupid little creatures. 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:20.000 But I would be more scared to fight a normal-sized Cassawary than a horse-sized duck. 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:21.440 Okay. 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:25.440 And maybe I'm super wrong about that, but there you go. 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:26.240 Okay. 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:27.680 There you go. 00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:29.680 Very serious adult question. 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:30.880 I appreciate that. 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:32.160 Murder is very adult. 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:34.480 To which I gave a professional answer. 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:35.359 You did. 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:36.559 All right. 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:43.359 If a bar of soap falls on the floor, is the soap dirty or is the floor clean? 00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:56.799 Well, I mean I feel like this is an eminently answerable question because most of us have dropped a bar of soap on the floor and realized that the floor did not magically become clean because of it. 00:21:58.960 --> 00:21:59.839 Did the floor get cleaner? 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:00.880 Cleaner than it was? 00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:01.279 Yes. 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:06.720 If it did, it's because all the little crumbs and crap that are on your floor are now stuck to the soap. 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:07.839 So both are true. 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:08.400 Yeah. 00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:13.440 The soap got dirty and the floor maybe got a little cleaner than it was. 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:14.319 Okay. 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:15.599 Agreed. 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:16.480 There you go. 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:17.039 Okay. 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:20.160 Do fish have necks? 00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:23.920 All of these questions feel really Googleable. 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:28.160 Like do fish have necks? 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:30.079 That's not a philosophical question. 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:36.720 That is a biological question that somebody other than us knows the exact empirical answer to. 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:37.680 We are authors. 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:38.640 We get to define things. 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:39.599 What is a neck? 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:40.559 Exactly. 00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:43.920 Does a neck have to be smaller than the head to be a neck? 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:45.519 Smaller than the head? 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:45.920 Yeah. 00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:48.480 Oh, like there has to be this shape. 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:52.720 Um I don't know. 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:53.279 Right? 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:54.960 Because does a walrus have a neck? 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:59.920 Because a walrus is it feels like bigger than the head. 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:01.599 Does a neck require? 00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:05.039 Here's I think a neck walrus is just a tube with a face. 00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:05.680 Yes. 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:09.920 I think a neck requires to be able to make the head mobile,

right? 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:11.519 Like to be able to turn independently. 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:13.039 And a walrus can do that. 00:23:13.119 --> 00:23:13.359 Yes. 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:14.559 And a fish really can't. 00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:15.039 Yeah. 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:16.960 So I'm going to say no necks on fish. 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:18.160 I think that's what we're going to say. 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:18.960 What does Google say? 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:20.400 No fish necks. 00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:22.480 Oh, Ollie has looked it up for us. 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:24.880 Though I do love fish neck pantyhose. 00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:28.400 No, fish do not have a traditional neck or distinctive neck bones. 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:29.519 There you go. 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:33.039 But the non-traditional fish do have necks. 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:33.599 Uh-huh. 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:35.039 The counterculture fish. 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:35.440 Yeah. 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:37.119 Good job, Ollie. 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:38.559 Fact checking Donald. 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:38.960 Whoa. 00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:41.119 We'll have to promote you to co-host one these days. 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:44.240 Ollie's our new co-host, and we've demoted Donald. 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:45.279 I feel sad. 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:46.240 Alrighty. 00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:48.880 Actually, Ollie didn't bring me a hamburger either. 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:50.240 That's true. 00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:52.079 So you want a philosophical question. 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:52.640 Here you go. 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:57.599 Should you wet your toothbrush before or after applying the paste? 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:00.160 Should you? 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:00.720 Mm-hmm. 00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:01.440 We'll see. 00:24:01.599 --> 00:24:04.640 This is a philosophical question because what does should mean? 00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:05.519 That's a good question. 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:08.559 Are you disappointing somebody? 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:11.039 Or are you which way do you do it, Dan? 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:12.720 Toothbrush wet first. 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:13.200 Really? 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:13.680 Really? 00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:13.920 Yeah. 00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:14.400 Okay. 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:15.119 I don't do that. 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:16.960 You put the toothpaste on. 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:19.920 Do you then wet it in the sink before putting it in your mouth? 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:20.240 Mm-hmm. 00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:20.559 Mm-hmm. 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:20.799 Okay. 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:21.440 Yeah. 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:22.000 Why? 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:24.720 Because it feels like it's one step less. 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:29.599 It's like I got the tube, I got the toothbrush. 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.000 Let's deal with them and get rid of the tube. 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:33.440 And then we'll do the sink portion. 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:34.079 Okay. 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:35.680 See, that makes sense to me. 00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:43.440 But also, like, if your goal is to get the bristles wet, that's easier to do without toothpaste it. 00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:44.079 You're right. 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:45.680 I was thinking about that as I did it. 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:48.640 But I've always done it this way, and they get plenty wet. 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:50.319 So it obviously isn't an issue. 00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:54.880 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Well, and that's why we come back to the philosophical issue of what does should mean. 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:58.480 Efficiency-wise, it seems like your way is correct. 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:03.119 Well, except I think your way, as you described it, maybe takes less time. 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:04.400 It's possible. 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:08.000 You can be wet or you can be fast. 00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:08.960 But you can't. 00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:10.559 Isn't that the old business saying? 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:12.000 Yeah, it's exactly how that goes. 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:12.400 Yeah. 00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:16.400 You can have it on time or you can have it wet, but you can't have both. 00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:17.599 Can't have both. 00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:18.160 Okay. 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:19.440 Not gonna go there. 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:21.759 That's what they teach in business. 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:23.359 Not gonna go there. 00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:26.720 Let's let's move on. 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:28.079 Moving on. 00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:28.799 All right. 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:31.200 Dan, that can go on a quote board. 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:36.880 We should have a quote board. 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:38.720 We should have a quote board, yeah. 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:43.359 Not gonna go there. 00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:46.160 Just listen to it again if you're confused. 00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:46.960 Yep. 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:48.240 Alrighty. 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:51.200 Your real philosophical question. 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:52.880 I think it's argued. 00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:55.119 Does time really exist? 00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:56.240 Ooh. 00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:58.000 Does time really exist? 00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:01.039 This is a good question because philosophers have debated this a lot. 00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:04.000 Is time a human construct? 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:07.839 Is it independent of our observation of it? 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:09.599 Is it actually even a thing? 00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:14.559 And the first time I encountered this in like philosophy classes, I'm like, of course time exists. 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:15.200 This is stupid. 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:16.160 Why would you ask this? 00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:22.240 And I read the arguments, which I can't relay to you in a way that's a good thing. 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:25.359 It's too bad because I want to hear them, because I have not read these arguments. 00:26:25.680 -->

00:26:28.880 I'm gonna do a very bad version of explaining. 00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:29.440 All right. 00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:35.839 The argument goes that time changes based on our perception of it. 00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:36.960 This is one of the big arguments. 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:41.440 Meaning like we experience time slower or faster or things like that. 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:55.119 So it is a thing that we create, not a thing that exists independently of us because otherwise time couldn't like in our perception slow down, speed up, these sorts of things. 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:57.519 That's one of the philosophical arguments. 00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:07.920 And then there's a physics argument, too, that I'm really not going to be able to tell you, but it has to do with the idea that you know, gravity is just acceleration, and so does acceleration exist. 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:28.480 Does time actually exist, or is it humans perceiving a certain physics conundrum in a way that we're like, we interpret that as being time, but because we exist in this weird state, it's kind of flatlandish where we see something, we have to describe it away, we describe it as time, but in reality it's not. 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:29.440 That's not what we're seeing. 00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:45.759 So that's a very poor version of something I'm sure people can link in the comments to us of the good arguments for why time is like a thing that we create for ourselves in order to understand the world, but doesn't exist independently of us. 00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:46.319 Cool. 00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:49.359 Can I tell you about one of my favorite science experiments ever? 00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:49.759 Yeah. 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.640 Which may or may not relate to this issue. 00:27:52.880 --> 00:28:06.000 It was a professor, and I don't remember if it was physics or philosophy or even biology, but they were interested in this idea that time slows down when we are in a crisis situation. 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:06.640 Yes. 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:07.119 Right? 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:17.920 And they wanted to see if that was actually measurable, if that was true, if we could act more efficiently during those slowdown times. 00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:26.240 And so, of course, what this professor decided to do was get a bunch of grad students and throw them off a ledge. 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:39.839 And so he set up a really high uh platform and a trampoline and got a bunch of his grad students to volunteer and he gave them stopwatches, and they were supposed to click it like every two seconds or something like that. 00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:49.599 But what he found was that the rate of clicking did not change as they were falling, they weren't clicking more often or less often. 00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:58.000 So even though they all reported that time seemed to slow down, they still were making the clicks at the same pace. 00:28:58.319 --> 00:28:58.640 Okay. 00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:02.400 And so I think that's first of all very funny. 00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:06.400 But also it is interesting about our perception of time. 00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:10.079 And I think there was a good argument that I'm not relaying to you. 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:11.440 Like I remember one. 00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:15.599 But regardless, I am going to counter those by saying I do think time is real. 00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:21.519 Even though I just made the arguments, I read all these things that made me question, but I'm like, time is real. 00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:25.119 Like time moved when there were no humans on the earth. 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:28.079 Therefore, it is a real thing. 00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:29.440 Are seconds a real thing? 00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:35.039 Well, no, we came up with that as a measurement, but inches aren't a thing other than our definition, right? 00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:38.079 The kilogram is a thing we made up, but time exists. 00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:41.279 Time exists apart from our perception of it. 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.200 Equally interesting is the question that's been in philosophy recently. 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:47.279 That again, I'm not going to be able to relay really well. 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:51.680 But the question is were people before modern times not self-aware? 00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:53.279 Were they conscious? 00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:54.880 Oh, interesting. 00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:56.160 Have you ever heard this one? 00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:05.920 I have heard this one, and I think every archaeologist that I've ever read says, of course, they were don't be an idiot. 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:06.240 Yeah. 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:10.000 But there are other branches of science where they don't necessarily believe that. 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:10.480 Yeah. 00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:15.039 One of the big arguments for this is the way people wrote about themselves and others is different. 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:16.960 I just think people see things differently. 00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:19.200 I think, of course, humans have been conscious. 00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:21.440 But and conscious might be the wrong word. 00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:25.039 They've got a word for it, but that one also Sapient. 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:25.599 Yeah. 00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:26.480 Sentient. 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:27.279 I don't know. 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:35.599 But yeah, archaeologists kind of accept as a founding principle that people have always been as we are now. 00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:44.480 Even though they didn't have the knowledge base to draw from, you go back 10,000 years and they were just as smart and just as capable. 00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:46.480 The philosophy doesn't dispute that. 00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:47.039 Okay. 00:30:47.279 --> 00:31:03.920 It disputes the way that the mind sees consciousness and that there's a certain kind of consciousness that we've become aware of when we can read other people's writing

that makes us aware of other human beings in a way that we think is common now, but back then was not. 00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:04.559 Okay. 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:05.119 Huh. 00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:07.359 I need to find a good argument. 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.200 It still sounds like aliens built the pyramids, right? 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:17.680 These people were not cool enough to be like us, therefore they couldn't have done this thing that we can do. 00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:25.519 And I'm sure that there are good arguments in favor of that, but it feels very reductive. 00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:25.920 Yeah. 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:28.000 And I think it's not conscious. 00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:31.759 It's like a it's a there's a word they're looking for that I am not. 00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:33.200 Let me see if I can find it. 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.920 Yeah, it's not conscious, but it might be conscious. 00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:42.240 Well, while you're looking for that the ability to introspect, when did it begin? 00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:44.319 And so anyway, I'm not gonna spend forever. 00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:48.559 But regardless, I ran across that one and I wish I had it. 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:50.160 I'll try to find it for a future podcast. 00:31:50.480 --> 00:32:01.359 There was an article that I saw today and didn't have time to read where scientists are studying the introspection of elephants by drawing on them. 00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:06.559 And somehow they can, you know, interact with the elephant in a way, anyway. 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:07.759 I didn't read it. 00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:14.559 But about time, I also think I mean this goes back to the same what does should mean? 00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:15.519 What does time mean? 00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.599 Time is a thing that we observe and have given a name to. 00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:20.160 Yes. 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:25.599 So clearly it's real enough for us to observe and name, right? 00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:30.720 Even if it's not what we think it is, it's still there, right? 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:31.680 Right. 00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:37.279 So Yeah, I think the argument against it says something along those lines. 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.680 The idea of it's not really there. 00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:48.480 Anyway, Donald, you'll need to find these two studies for us and bring them because this one we're not equipped to discuss. 00:32:48.720 --> 00:33:01.279 So because we aren't, even though it'll take us a little longer than normal, give us another one because I feel we flubbed that one because we talk too much about things that we don't understand, which is normal for this podcast, but we actually know it this time. 00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:03.200 We admit it to ourselves. 00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:03.920 One last one. 00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:05.039 One last one. 00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:10.559 Is the console gaming war a giant marketing scheme made by all the companies? 00:33:10.799 -->

00:33:12.880 Oh no, that's a smart one. 00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:14.799 That's a smart one. 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:20.640 So if it were, then it couldn't be lost. 00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:23.519 And Sega objectively lost. 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:24.000 Yeah. 00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:29.119 Oh Ergo, it can't just be fake, but there's reasons to think it is. 00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:32.000 For instance, Visa and MasterCard. 00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:33.759 Same company. 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:34.319 Oh. 00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:35.200 I didn't know that. 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:36.160 I didn't know that either. 00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:37.519 In order to sell, all right. 00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:39.279 Let me I'll look it up. 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:40.079 Yeah, you look it up. 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:43.759 Let's make sure I'm not uh I'm not spouting conspiracy theory. 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:44.880 I wouldn't be surprised. 00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:45.599 They're not. 00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:46.880 Have they ever been? 00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:47.920 I will look that up next. 00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:50.160 Are they owned by the same parent company? 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:53.519 Independent operations, from what I'm saying. 00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:54.559 Let me see. 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:56.240 Is VCMS card owned? 00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:56.799 Yeah. 00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:59.119 Or were owned by the same company. 00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:00.640 Let me let me see it. 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.440 There's a lot of food companies that have independent operations and are still part of Conagra. 00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:05.920 Yeah. 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:07.519 So Okay. 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:10.480 Now anyway, I am not remembering correctly. 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:12.159 I'm glad that we double checked that. 00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:17.199 But there are reasons people do create businesses to self-compete. 00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:19.039 Oh, gum is the best one for this. 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:19.760 Extra. 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:19.920 Okay. 00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:21.599 And like, what's the other big one? 00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:22.960 Experiment gum? 00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:24.880 Or they I don't know what modern gum is. 00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:31.360 Or they acquire other companies and don't change the name in order to continue having the illusion of competition. 00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:33.840 So we know this happens as not Visa MasterCard. 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:36.880 In fact, I think I looked that up once and found out I was wrong. 00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:38.159 And someone had told me that once. 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:40.559 And it's just one of those things that persists in my brain. 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:41.599 So that happens. 00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:43.280 But I mean, the console war. 00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:43.920 Yeah. 00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:44.639 It was lost. 00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:46.559 It was lost by Sega. 00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:53.519 But I would say even the consoles that are still in it, it's clearly been won. 00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:54.079 Yes. 00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:55.440 And for several years. 00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:56.000 Yes. 00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:56.559 Yes. 00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:57.440 Sony. 00:34:57.760 --> 00:34:58.000 Yes. 00:34:58.320 --> 00:34:59.440 Won the console wars. 00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:07.280 And even though other consoles exist, that doesn't mean that they are, you know, even competitors. 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:08.079 Right. 00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:12.239 It is kind of a sad state because Xbox is basically thrown in the towel. 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:13.360 Said, all right, yeah. 00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:14.880 We're going to put Sony. 00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:16.960 You can put your things on our console. 00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:19.199 We're going to put everything that we put on other. 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:21.119 Like it's the other way around. 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:22.960 We're going to put our things on Sony's console. 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:23.199 Yeah. 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:23.679 Right. 00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:26.880 And we are tired of fighting the console war. 00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:35.039 Nintendo continues to be independent and different from Sony, but they kind of just make their own audience. 00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:36.800 And I don't think they even try to compete. 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:43.840 That's like saying, you know, ancient Rome was not at war with ancient China. 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:45.119 They were just completely different. 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:45.920 Yeah. 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:53.280 Or more that like the truck market and the small car sedan market are in competition. 00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:56.800 You could buy one or the other, but they're really targeting different audiences. 00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:02.960 And even if they are sold across the street from each other, it's not direct competition, I guess, is what I would say. 00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:04.400 It's indirect competition. 00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:04.960 Yeah. 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:13.280 It would be rare that you would be looking for a compact car to commute in and then decide to buy a lifted truck. 00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:14.079 Exactly. 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:17.280 So I'm going to say no, but I like that question. 00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:18.480 It's really intriguing. 00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:19.039 Okay. 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:20.400 Well, there you go. 00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:22.880 Those are the controversial quote unquote debate topics. 00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:24.079 Oh, you don't need a quote unquote. 00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:24.800 Very controversial. 00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:25.599 Very, very well done. 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:27.039 Very controversial. 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:32.400 We like to dig into politics and controversy on this podcast, which is hard hitting. 00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:34.079 Yes. 00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:35.599 Very important and mature. 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:36.159 Indeed. 00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:37.280 Like Ben.