Serial Killer Documentary - Sarah Williams and Katrina Walsh의 전체 녹취록

00:02:53.750 --> 00:02:56.990 pockets all the time, I think there were some suspicions 37 00:02:57.069 --> 00:02:59.129 that they were more than just friends, that this was 38 00:02:59.189 --> 00:03:00.689 an intimate relationship. 39 00:03:01.469 --> 00:03:05.099 As Williams grew up, she became known as an incorrigible 40 00:03:05.219 --> 00:03:07.960 flirt and had a series of male lovers. 41 00:03:08.780 --> 00:03:11.900 I think Williams does very much see men as a challenge, 42 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:16.150 especially married men. I think this idea of going out 43 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:19.930 and turning on the charm and having somebody fall for you, 44 00:03:20.349 --> 00:03:22.169 it's something that she finds quite appealing. 45 00:03:22.729 --> 00:03:26.310 When Sarah Williams set her sights on a man, no 46 00:03:26.449 --> 00:03:29.719 one was going to get in her way. Her best friend, 47 00:03:29.789 --> 00:03:33.180 Katrina Walsh, was only too willing to help her get 48 00:03:33.259 --> 00:03:36.939 what she wanted. And what Sarah Williams wanted was a 49 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:41.199 man called Ian Johnston, whom she was in a relationship with. 50 00:03:41.659 --> 00:03:46.060 He describes her being really friendly and them getting on 51 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:50.419 straight away. And then one night, after they'd known each 52 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:53.789 other For a few months, she turns up at his 53 00:03:53.830 --> 00:03:59.650 house in a short skirt, red heels, and the intimacy 54 00:03:59.729 --> 00:04:04.550 was immediate, and the relationship was physical straightaway. 55 00:04:05.349 --> 00:04:08.509 Williams had met the man she wanted to marry, but 56 00:04:08.530 --> 00:04:12.750 he and Johnston had a long-term partner called Sadie Hartley. 57 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:17.459 Williams and Walsh decided that Sadie Hartley was a problem 58 00:04:17.500 --> 00:04:19.319 that needed to go away. 59 00:04:20.209 --> 00:04:22.750 This didn't happen in the heat of the moment. This 60 00:04:22.850 --> 00:04:26.329 was a murder plot that these two women had spent 61 00:04:26.329 --> 00:04:30.889 17 months planning, and I think that's what makes it 62 00:04:30.990 --> 00:04:36.850 so horrific. This wasn't a crime of passion. This was 63 00:04:36.889 --> 00:04:41.040 a crime of obsession. She was obsessed with Sadie Hartley's partner, 64 00:04:41.329 --> 00:04:45.120 Ian Johnston. She wanted to get rid of her, and 65 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:45.439 she did. 66 00:04:46.310 --> 00:04:50.680 Williams and Walsh thought they'd committed the perfect murder. They 67 00:04:50.689 --> 00:04:53.500 were in it together until they were caught. 68 00:04:54.399 --> 00:05:00.319 Williams maintains her innocence steadfastly and Walsh confesses but doesn't 69 00:05:00.339 --> 00:05:04.720 confess to killing Hartley herself. She says Williams did it. 70 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:12.740 The friendship is fractured. Williams absolutely brazenly fronts it up 71 00:05:13.259 --> 00:05:17.509 and says, nothing to do with me. Williams is still 72 00:05:18.730 --> 00:05:20.709 living in her own parallel universe. 73 00:05:24.370 --> 00:05:29.819 These killer stories begin in 1960. Katrina Walsh was born 74 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:35.360 on February the 4th in Middlesex. Sarah Williams was born 75 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:40.819 21 years later on the 8th of May, 1981, in Merseyside. 76 00:05:41.500 --> 00:05:45.889 Sarah Williams was an only child, daughter of an electrician, 77 00:05:47.170 --> 00:05:51.529 Perfectly reasonable, apparently, as a girl. Had a lazy eye. 78 00:05:51.889 --> 00:05:55.839 We saw her get bullied a bit at school. She 79 00:05:55.860 --> 00:06:01.639 went to a private school. Well-educated and capable. Very capable. 80 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:06.240 But when she got into her teens, as she grew older, 81 00:06:06.550 --> 00:06:09.810 she realised that she was quite attractive to men. And 82 00:06:09.850 --> 00:06:13.089 this was something that she really seized upon. So those 83 00:06:13.149 --> 00:06:16.860 feelings of shame and inadequacy that she'd had when she 84 00:06:16.899 --> 00:06:21.839 was younger, they were counteracted by this validation that she 85 00:06:21.860 --> 00:06:23.680 got from the attention of men. 86 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:31.689 Sarah Williams and Katrina Walsh met in 1993. Williams loved 87 00:06:31.750 --> 00:06:35.129 horses and went to the riding school where Walsh stabled 88 00:06:35.189 --> 00:06:39.040 her own horse and was a riding instructor. They became 89 00:06:39.180 --> 00:06:41.000 firm and enduring friends. 90 00:06:42.050 --> 00:06:45.870 Was there a sexual relationship between Sarah Williams and Katrina Walsh, 91 00:06:45.910 --> 00:06:48.569 a woman much, much older than her, who suffered from 92 00:06:48.629 --> 00:06:52.350 terrible alopecia and almost no hair? She was almost always 93 00:06:52.389 --> 00:06:55.529 wearing a bandana or a hat or a cap. If 94 00:06:55.569 --> 00:06:58.389 you look at the pictures of them both, they couldn't 95 00:06:58.430 --> 00:07:02.350 be more different. But there was something very strong, something 96 00:07:02.490 --> 00:07:05.470 very powerful keeping that relationship together. 97 00:07:06.889 --> 00:07:10.769 When Williams was 13 years old, she claimed to have 98 00:07:10.810 --> 00:07:14.379 been assaulted by a man who had stopped to fix 99 00:07:14.420 --> 00:07:17.720 his car. And this was an allegation that the police 100 00:07:17.779 --> 00:07:22.439 took very seriously and they investigated it. There were appeals 101 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:25.779 for information from the public put out at the time. 102 00:07:26.259 --> 00:07:29.970 So this is a very pivotal moment in Williams' life, 103 00:07:30.389 --> 00:07:33.149 whether or not this story was a true one. 104 00:07:34.329 --> 00:07:38.040 Nobody was ever charged with the abduction, and there were 105 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:46.569 suspicions

that Williams had made the whole story up. In 1999, 106 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:50.370 when Sarah Williams was 17 years old and still at school, 107 00:07:50.870 --> 00:07:56.170 she met 57-year-old married father David Hardwick at the riding school. 108 00:07:57.430 --> 00:08:01.750 Hardwick is a shadowy figure throughout this story. Hardwick is 109 00:08:01.790 --> 00:08:05.180 her benefactor, her sugar daddy, He gives her enormous amounts 110 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:08.310 of money over the years. He's married to someone much 111 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:12.110 more of his own age. They never divorce. Williams knows 112 00:08:12.170 --> 00:08:15.269 from a very early age that the power her sexual 113 00:08:15.290 --> 00:08:18.509 drive has, and she uses it to her full advantage. 114 00:08:21.310 --> 00:08:23.759 Sarah Williams left school at the age of 18. From 115 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:25.899 2005 to 2013, she worked for a bank selling personal insurance. 116 00:08:32.710 --> 00:08:36.549 In 2006, she moved away from home and bought her 117 00:08:36.629 --> 00:08:41.559 first house, largely bankrolled by David Hardwick, who also paid 118 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:44.960 her a weekly allowance of 320 pounds. 119 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:52.419 Hardwick is a consistent support to Williams throughout her life. Now, 120 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:56.610 you can speculate about why. You can speculate about what 121 00:08:56.649 --> 00:09:01.450 was Hardwick getting out of it. On the surface, not 122 00:09:01.490 --> 00:09:04.840 very much. apart, I suspect, from a great deal of sex. 123 00:09:08.980 --> 00:09:15.259 William's best friend, Katrina Walsh, married her husband, Kevin, in 1984, 124 00:09:15.259 --> 00:09:17.830 nine years before she met Sarah Williams. 125 00:09:18.850 --> 00:09:23.669 Walsh was quite an eccentric character. She was somebody who 126 00:09:23.730 --> 00:09:27.049 shared William's love of horse riding, and that is how 127 00:09:27.110 --> 00:09:30.450 they met. She was into tarot cards. She was quite 128 00:09:30.490 --> 00:09:34.740 heavily tattooed. And she was a biker. She was interested 129 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:38.460 in motorbikes. And these were some passions that she shared 130 00:09:38.500 --> 00:09:39.919 with her husband, Kevin. 131 00:09:41.059 --> 00:09:44.580 And Kevin and Katrina, and then, believe it or not, 132 00:09:44.820 --> 00:09:49.610 Hardwick and Williams, develop a sort of foursome. And they 133 00:09:49.620 --> 00:09:53.789 go on expeditions together. In a horse box, they take 134 00:09:53.809 --> 00:09:57.690 their horses. It's got sleeping accommodation. It's a very big 135 00:09:57.750 --> 00:10:02.580 horse box. And at one point, Kevin Walsh, Katrina's husband, 136 00:10:02.620 --> 00:10:08.000 describes it as a purple passion wagon. And then in 2008, 137 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:10.899 Katrina Walsh and Kevin divorce. He's had an affair with 138 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:13.279 somebody else. He goes off.

He moves to Kattrick in 139 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:15.840 North Yorkshire and leaves the Wirral behind him. 140 00:10:16.789 --> 00:10:20.289 He felt that the relationship between Sarah Williams and Katrina 141 00:10:20.330 --> 00:10:22.629 Walsh was dysfunctional. 142 00:10:23.009 --> 00:10:24.029 There was always this. 143 00:10:24.269 --> 00:10:28.450 Thing where he felt like if he hadn't left, Katrina 144 00:10:28.490 --> 00:10:31.210 would never have got as close as she did with 145 00:10:31.250 --> 00:10:33.389 Sarah because he would have been there to stop that 146 00:10:33.409 --> 00:10:33.970 from happening. 147 00:10:34.450 --> 00:10:38.379 But Williams was also a long way from being monogamous. 148 00:10:39.529 --> 00:10:42.879 I think she had a great many affairs, probably to 149 00:10:42.899 --> 00:10:47.370 the consternation or perhaps to the amusement of Hardwick. He 150 00:10:47.429 --> 00:10:48.649 certainly didn't seem to object. 151 00:10:49.850 --> 00:10:54.120 The day before her 30th birthday, Sarah Williams was driving 152 00:10:54.179 --> 00:10:57.960 on the M60 motorway in Manchester when she passed the 153 00:10:58.059 --> 00:11:02.450 unique structure of the city's indoor ski center, the Chill Factory. 154 00:11:03.710 --> 00:11:06.549 She now knew what she wanted as a birthday present 155 00:11:06.870 --> 00:11:09.070 from her boyfriend, David Hardwick. 156 00:11:10.129 --> 00:11:14.389 Hardwick was not as enthusiastic about Williams' new hobby as 157 00:11:14.610 --> 00:11:19.389 she was, because he was slightly older, perhaps less inclined 158 00:11:19.429 --> 00:11:23.039 to engage in this kind of vigorous physical activity. But 159 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:26.200 Williams dragged him along, and I think part of her 160 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:30.460 enjoyed the attention that she got from men at the 161 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:34.519 Chill Factory, but also the jealousy, I think, that Hardwick 162 00:11:34.570 --> 00:11:37.190 would have felt when he saw these relationships developing. 163 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:43.159 Williams and Hardwick became regulars at the Chill Factory. Williams 164 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:46.230 loved being there so much, she left her job to 165 00:11:46.269 --> 00:11:49.769 join a ski travel company based in the complex as 166 00:11:49.850 --> 00:11:50.970 a sales advisor. 167 00:11:51.830 --> 00:11:54.850 Williams, who is by now a rather athletic woman, she's 168 00:11:55.509 --> 00:12:02.460 more than 5'10, she's strong, big shoulders, muscular body, rapidly 169 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:07.259 becomes a really rather good skier. She really enjoys it. 170 00:12:07.809 --> 00:12:12.970 It becomes her second home, almost. Selling insurance is not 171 00:12:13.009 --> 00:12:15.539 quite as much fun as the dry ski slopes. 172 00:12:16.500 --> 00:12:20.580 While working at the chill factory, Sarah Williams had several 173 00:12:20.659 --> 00:12:25.340 romantic affairs, mainly with married men who were

ski instructors. 174 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:29.590 The affairs that she has with married men, they only 175 00:12:29.710 --> 00:12:32.370 end when she decides that they have ended, and when 176 00:12:32.409 --> 00:12:35.250 the men decide that they've had enough, she reacts very 177 00:12:35.289 --> 00:12:35.950 badly indeed. 178 00:12:39.710 --> 00:12:47.129 In August 2013, Sarah Williams met 57-year-old retired fireman Ian Johnston, 179 00:12:47.590 --> 00:12:51.269 an expert telemark skier who was working as an instructor 180 00:12:51.629 --> 00:12:52.870 at the Chill Factory. 181 00:12:54.750 --> 00:12:57.309 He's actually been in a relationship for some time at 182 00:12:57.490 --> 00:13:01.289 this point, for a number of years, with a businesswoman, 183 00:13:01.309 --> 00:13:03.629 a tiny bit older than he is in her later 184 00:13:03.909 --> 00:13:07.460 50s at this point, called Sadie Hartley. But it's been 185 00:13:07.580 --> 00:13:13.080 on and off. And Johnston, well, he falls for the flirt. 186 00:13:13.779 --> 00:13:17.240 He falls for the femme fatale, or as she was 187 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:19.279 later to describe herself, the she-devil. 188 00:13:23.539 --> 00:13:28.970 Sarah Williams and Ian Johnston's illicit relationship was developing rapidly. 189 00:13:29.590 --> 00:13:33.210 Williams began telling her friends that she'd met her ideal 190 00:13:33.269 --> 00:13:36.049 man and she was determined. 191 00:13:35.490 --> 00:13:42.789 To keep him. We have an extraordinary series of relationships. 192 00:13:42.970 --> 00:13:47.149 We have Williams and Walsh, closer now that Kevin Walsh 193 00:13:47.169 --> 00:13:52.940 has gone off. We have Williams and Hardwick. We have 194 00:13:53.019 --> 00:13:57.100 Williams and Johnston. And we have Johnston and Sadie Hartley. 195 00:13:58.139 --> 00:14:02.870 A great amalgam of relationships. All of them in a 196 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:06.169 way driven by Williams' sexual desire. 197 00:14:07.500 --> 00:14:12.120 Sarah Williams was besotted with Ian Johnston. Although he was 198 00:14:12.179 --> 00:14:16.580 no longer seeing Sadie when he met Williams, they remained close. 199 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:22.730 He was definitely somebody who, you know, was very confident 200 00:14:22.789 --> 00:14:27.769 with women, was used to getting lots of attention, enjoyed 201 00:14:27.809 --> 00:14:32.090 that attention. And so the fact that he ended up 202 00:14:32.889 --> 00:14:37.889 having this affair with Sarah Williams felt like it could 203 00:14:38.070 --> 00:14:41.049 easily have happened with his sort of personality type. 204 00:14:41.649 --> 00:14:46.240 Sarah Williams would watch for when Ian Johnston would come 205 00:14:46.740 --> 00:14:49.539 to the Chill Factory. She would get colleagues to tell 206 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:52.580 her if his car was in the car park. Ian 207 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:55.740 Johnston was her perfect man. He was a man that 208 00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:59.299 she

wanted to marry. So I guess she saw... Sadie 209 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:02.460 Hartley as the obstacle to that. She was the enemy, 210 00:15:03.299 --> 00:15:04.279 and she had to be got rid of. 211 00:15:07.350 --> 00:15:11.429 Sadie Hartley lived in the village of Helmshaw in Lancashire. 212 00:15:13.710 --> 00:15:18.029 She was a divorced mother with two adult children, a 213 00:15:18.070 --> 00:15:22.529 successful woman who ran her own medical conference business, and 214 00:15:22.570 --> 00:15:25.529 she also loved riding her horse that she kept at 215 00:15:25.590 --> 00:15:32.779 a local stable. In September 2014, Sarah Williams sent a 216 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:34.759 letter to Sadie Hartley. 217 00:15:35.940 --> 00:15:41.879 In this letter, Sarah Williams personally attacks Sadie Hartley and 218 00:15:42.379 --> 00:15:49.100 adds in that the sex with Ian is fantastic and 219 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:52.399 they can't get enough of each other and essentially said 220 00:15:52.419 --> 00:15:56.059 they were having sex all the time. and it was 221 00:15:56.120 --> 00:15:59.379 the best sex she'd ever had. 222 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:05.059 And what is actually said within the letter is very 223 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:08.899 revealing about the kind of person that Williams is. She 224 00:16:09.019 --> 00:16:12.990 is not putting the responsibility onto Ian. She's putting all 225 00:16:13.009 --> 00:16:17.230 of the responsibility onto Sadie. This isn't about Ian's continual 226 00:16:17.269 --> 00:16:19.990 decision to engage in an affair with her. This is 227 00:16:20.029 --> 00:16:23.200 about Sadie acting as the barrier to her having a 228 00:16:24.019 --> 00:16:26.879 more full relationship with Ian Johnston. 229 00:16:28.299 --> 00:16:32.399 But the letter didn't work to split them up because 230 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:35.149 it was just a few weeks later that, in fact, 231 00:16:35.250 --> 00:16:37.009 Sadie and Ian moved in together. 232 00:16:38.009 --> 00:16:42.370 She thinks that she's justified in behaving in this way. 233 00:16:42.710 --> 00:16:45.629 She feels entitled to this man. So all of the 234 00:16:45.669 --> 00:16:49.320 behavior that she engages in, she thinks is perfectly reasonable. 235 00:16:50.090 --> 00:16:53.929 The letter did not deter Sadie Hartley or disrupt her 236 00:16:53.970 --> 00:16:56.250 relationship with Ian Johnston. 237 00:16:56.789 --> 00:17:00.149 Well, that just makes Williams even more furious. She hasn't 238 00:17:00.250 --> 00:17:04.569 managed to split up Hartley and Johnston to get Johnston back. 239 00:17:05.690 --> 00:17:09.369 In fact, rather the opposite. I think probably Johnston felt 240 00:17:09.490 --> 00:17:13.390 more loyal now to Sadie Hartley than he had done before. 241 00:17:14.089 --> 00:17:19.809 In October 2014, before moving in with Sadie Hartley, Ian 242 00:17:19.890 --> 00:17:23.869 Johnston officially ended his relationship with Sarah Williams. 243 00:17:25.549 --> 00:17:27.819 What has just been a bit of fun, I think, 244 00:17:28.019 --> 00:17:30.900 on his part, he decides to call an end to this. 245 00:17:31.549 --> 00:17:35.329 But Williams doesn't accept this. She's the one who's in 246 00:17:35.390 --> 00:17:39.130 control in her relationship. She decides when they're over, and 247 00:17:39.390 --> 00:17:42.029 she simply does not accept his decision. 248 00:17:42.859 --> 00:17:47.839 Johnston's physical relationship with Williams was over, but they continued 249 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:50.700 to text and see each other at the Chill Factory, 250 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:51.940 where they both worked. 251 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:56.200 These text messages were, like, quite explicit in nature. There 252 00:17:56.220 --> 00:18:01.150 were naked images in them. So although... Ian said their 253 00:18:01.170 --> 00:18:03.970 relationship had come to an end, there was an aspect 254 00:18:04.009 --> 00:18:05.710 of the relationship that was still going on. 255 00:18:06.450 --> 00:18:10.410 But she attached meaning to that communication that wasn't actually there. 256 00:18:10.869 --> 00:18:13.529 So it shows just how completely at odds both of 257 00:18:13.589 --> 00:18:16.470 these individuals were in terms of their understanding of what 258 00:18:16.539 --> 00:18:17.880 their relationship really was. 259 00:18:19.539 --> 00:18:27.960 At some point in the late summer of 2014, Williams 260 00:18:28.180 --> 00:18:31.299 and Walsh begin to have what are could only be 261 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:39.559 called chilling conversations about getting rid of Williams's love rival, 262 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:47.609 Sadie Hartley. Walsh starts to keep a diary of these conversations. 263 00:18:48.529 --> 00:18:51.150 At one point, I think she writes in it, she 264 00:18:51.190 --> 00:18:54.839 does sound like a totally evil bitch of Sadie Hartley. 265 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:57.960 Nothing could, in fact, have been further from the truth 266 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:02.549 But nevertheless, this is the venom that is supplied to 267 00:19:02.589 --> 00:19:03.950 Walsh by Williams. 268 00:19:05.329 --> 00:19:08.569 There were all sorts of things that Katrina Walsh wrote 269 00:19:08.829 --> 00:19:13.869 in that diary which really revealed, I suppose, what her 270 00:19:13.950 --> 00:19:16.690 true feelings were about what was going on. 271 00:19:18.140 --> 00:19:22.759 The fantasy of dispensing with Sadie Hartley became an obsessive 272 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:24.859 pastime for Williams and Walsh. 273 00:19:25.450 --> 00:19:27.130 For this to go on for the period of time 274 00:19:27.170 --> 00:19:31.339 that it did, there were multiple opportunities for Walsh to 275 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:33.740 put the brakes on it, to go and tell the police, 276 00:19:33.779 --> 00:19:37.880 to tell a friend, to actually get something done about 277 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.440 what was going to happen, to basically stop this from happening,

278 00:19:41.460 --> 00:19:42.589 but she chose not to. 279 00:19:44.329 --> 00:19:49.789 By August 2015, ten months after Ian Johnston had officially 280 00:19:49.809 --> 00:19:53.920 ended ended his relationship with Sarah Williams, a murder plot 281 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:56.980 that should have stayed in the realms of fantasy was 282 00:19:57.019 --> 00:19:58.900 becoming ever more real. 283 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:02.819 In the late summer of 2014, Walsh suggests to Williams 284 00:20:02.980 --> 00:20:07.769 that she approach Walsh's ex-husband, Kevin, who happens to be 285 00:20:07.789 --> 00:20:12.519 a keen archer. to become, would you believe it, a 286 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:19.529 hitman and kill Sadie Hartley. Well, Kevin Walsh is absolutely 287 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:26.069 having none of it. Absolutely turns it down flat. It's ridiculous. 288 00:20:26.829 --> 00:20:29.430 By this point, they've begun to enter what you might 289 00:20:29.470 --> 00:20:31.069 describe as a parallel universe. 290 00:20:32.230 --> 00:20:36.180 There were burner phones acquired. It was something akin to 291 00:20:36.539 --> 00:20:38.740 a plot in a spy novel. 292 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:39.269 And. 293 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:44.460 Whilst they were planning all of this, at the same time, 294 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:50.440 Katrina Walsh was detailing every single part of their planning 295 00:20:51.259 --> 00:20:56.940 in her diary. So literally every little thing that they did, 296 00:20:57.160 --> 00:20:58.869 she would put a note in her diary. 297 00:21:00.220 --> 00:21:04.190 So they've got burner phones. Now they know that Johnston, 298 00:21:04.289 --> 00:21:07.829 who moved in with Sadie Hartley in November 2014, but 299 00:21:07.849 --> 00:21:10.240 they don't know where He lives with her. They don't 300 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:14.029 know where Sadie Hartley's house is. So, believe it or not, 301 00:21:14.089 --> 00:21:18.589 they buy a tracker device for his car, which Sarah 302 00:21:18.609 --> 00:21:19.809 Williams puts on his car. 303 00:21:20.589 --> 00:21:25.210 Sarah Williams bought the first tracker on Katrina Walsh's credit card. 304 00:21:25.809 --> 00:21:28.990 The tracker led them to the house Sadie Hartley now 305 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:34.220 shared with Ian Johnston in Helmshaw. the two women embarked 306 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:39.039 on several reconnaissance missions to familiarize themselves with the property 307 00:21:39.579 --> 00:21:41.180 and surrounding location. 308 00:21:43.259 --> 00:21:48.680 So the plan is escalating quite steadily. There's been the 309 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:54.839 poison pen letter, the attempt to hire Kevin. We've got 310 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:58.269 the burner phones. We have the tracker device on fire. 311 00:21:58.900 --> 00:22:02.480 in Johnston's car. We now know where Johnston and Sadie 312 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:07.140 Hartley live. So they decide, and I think this is 313 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:10.920 a time when perhaps Katrina Walsh makes a bigger contribution. 314 00:22:12.220 --> 00:22:15.799 Katrina suggests to Sarah Williams that it's gonna be much 315 00:22:16.019 --> 00:22:20.000 easier to kill Sadie Hartley if she has a stun gun. 316 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:28.940 Second of December, 2015, Greater Manchester. It was the night 317 00:22:28.980 --> 00:22:33.769 of the Chill Factory's Christmas party. The first tracker placed 318 00:22:33.869 --> 00:22:38.170 on Ian Johnston's car had failed. While the party was 319 00:22:38.230 --> 00:22:42.109 in full swing, Sarah Williams left the party and attached 320 00:22:42.190 --> 00:22:45.309 a second tracker to Ian Johnston's car. 321 00:22:46.250 --> 00:22:48.759 So she buys this tracking device that she puts on 322 00:22:48.950 --> 00:22:52.460 Ian Johnston's vehicle, and there are times when she has 323 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:54.700 to remove it from the vehicle, and when she does, 324 00:22:55.099 --> 00:22:57.900 she's carrying it around in her own handbag And what 325 00:22:57.940 --> 00:23:00.440 she doesn't realise is that the company she's bought the 326 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:04.460 tracker from are also able to access the data that 327 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:08.269 the tracker is sending out. So this is a really 328 00:23:08.470 --> 00:23:11.910 ill-conceived plan. It's very badly thought through. 329 00:23:12.490 --> 00:23:16.539 The two women, Williams and Walsh, spend hours together plotting 330 00:23:17.150 --> 00:23:19.759 what they think and hope will be the perfect murder. 331 00:23:20.460 --> 00:23:25.000 Walsh is overjoyed at the involvement and Williams is utterly determined. 332 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:29.009 They're going to kill. Sadie Hartley, come what may. 333 00:23:30.710 --> 00:23:35.799 On the 9th of December 2015, Sarah Williams and Katrina 334 00:23:35.859 --> 00:23:39.740 Walsh boarded a ferry from Hull to Rotterdam and drove 335 00:23:39.799 --> 00:23:42.059 to Germany to buy a stun gun. 336 00:23:42.759 --> 00:23:46.769 Then it starts to really feel like they're actively thinking 337 00:23:46.829 --> 00:23:49.650 about doing it because now they're purchasing weapons. 338 00:23:52.390 --> 00:23:55.579 Early in the new year, on January the 4th, 2016, 339 00:23:55.579 --> 00:24:00.259 Sarah Williams sent a text to Katrina Walsh. 340 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:05.140 Williams says to Walsh, the time's coming, go and do 341 00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:08.829 your shopping. And so Walsh goes to Tesco and buys 342 00:24:08.869 --> 00:24:12.029 a considerable kitchen knife and uses her club card, so 343 00:24:12.049 --> 00:24:14.269 there can't be any doubt about who bought the kitchen knife. 344 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:20.200 Walsh was captured on CCTV at a Tesco supermarket in Broughton, 345 00:24:20.539 --> 00:24:26.059 buying a large kitchen knife. The following day, on January 5th, 346 00:24:26.910 --> 00:24:32.309 Sarah Williams retrieved the tracker from Ian

Johnston's car. Again, 347 00:24:32.430 --> 00:24:36.079 she placed the tracker in her handbag without turning it off. 348 00:24:40.430 --> 00:24:44.349 On January the 6th, Ian Johnston went to Switzerland on 349 00:24:44.410 --> 00:24:48.230 a skiing holiday. Sadie Hartley was going to join him 350 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:54.220 ten days later. Until then, she was home alone in Helmshaw. 351 00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:59.259 Williams and Walsh knew Ian Johnston was out of the way, 352 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:04.089 safely in Switzerland. They knew where Sadie Hartley lived, but 353 00:25:04.230 --> 00:25:08.970 neither of them knew her by sight. they decided that 354 00:25:09.009 --> 00:25:13.769 a final reconnaissance mission was needed, a dry run for 355 00:25:13.809 --> 00:25:14.349 the murder. 356 00:25:15.170 --> 00:25:19.130 The pair decided that they would drive up together to Lancashire. 357 00:25:20.650 --> 00:25:27.339 They bought a cheap bunch of flowers from Tesco, and 358 00:25:27.859 --> 00:25:29.279 the pair drove up. 359 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:30.119 To her road. 360 00:25:31.779 --> 00:25:35.460 They got out of the car, walked up the street, 361 00:25:37.750 --> 00:25:43.589 And Katrina Walsh walked up to Sadie Hartley's door, knocked 362 00:25:43.650 --> 00:25:49.670 on the door and delivered these flowers in person. And 363 00:25:49.710 --> 00:25:52.930 all the while, Sarah Williams was hiding behind a parked 364 00:25:52.990 --> 00:25:59.049 car watching her pray. And when Sadie Hartley asked who 365 00:25:59.109 --> 00:26:03.430 the flowers were from, Katrina Walsh said she couldn't remember 366 00:26:03.470 --> 00:26:04.079 and she ran off. 367 00:26:05.849 --> 00:26:08.750 Here you have this person in front of you who 368 00:26:08.829 --> 00:26:11.930 is a human being, somebody who's asking you a question, 369 00:26:12.130 --> 00:26:15.339 and I think this is the first time that Sadie 370 00:26:15.470 --> 00:26:20.240 becomes that real living, breathing person that Walsh has been 371 00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:23.500 writing about quite abstractly in her diaries. 372 00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:29.039 Sadie Hartley was unnerved by the delivery of the bunch 373 00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:33.250 of flowers and the strange woman who delivered them. She 374 00:26:33.329 --> 00:26:37.450 contacted Ian Johnston in Switzerland, who knew nothing about the 375 00:26:37.529 --> 00:26:44.519 creepy delivery as Sadie described it to him. For the 376 00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:48.599 practice run, Katrina Walsh had driven to Helmshaw in her 377 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:54.079 own car. Williams decided it would be unwise to use 378 00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:57.029 their personal vehicles on the night of the real event. 379 00:26:58.210 --> 00:27:03.549 On Sunday, January the 10th, 2016, Sarah Williams set about 380 00:27:03.609 --> 00:27:06.269 looking for a suitable second vehicle. 381 00:27:07.569 --> 00:27:10.089 So they have to buy a car that won't be 382 00:27:10.190 --> 00:27:14.150 identified as belonging to either of them. Williams and Walsh 383 00:27:14.549 --> 00:27:18.230 search for one and eventually purchase an elderly Renault Clio. 384 00:27:19.170 --> 00:27:22.029 But they do more than that. They also make sure 385 00:27:22.130 --> 00:27:26.349 that the number plate, which is on the Clio, is 386 00:27:26.470 --> 00:27:30.059 changed so it doesn't get recognised by the automated number 387 00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:35.119 recognition system used by most British police forces. And Walsh 388 00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:37.539 does quite a clever job of turning the number three 389 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:40.339 into the number eight within a black tape. 390 00:27:41.380 --> 00:27:46.809 On Tuesday, January the 12th, 2016, Sarah Williams made what 391 00:27:46.890 --> 00:27:49.450 she thought was another clever move. 392 00:27:50.069 --> 00:27:53.259 Williams purchased a pair of boots that were several sizes 393 00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.269 too large for her so that that would throw the 394 00:27:56.309 --> 00:27:58.369 police off the scent and they would think that the 395 00:27:58.390 --> 00:28:01.170 perpetrator was somebody who was male or at least somebody 396 00:28:01.210 --> 00:28:03.380 who was much bigger than she was. 397 00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:08.420 On the 14th of January, Sarah Williams went to work 398 00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:13.619 at the Chill Factory as normal. At 3pm, she texted 399 00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:17.160 David Hardwick to tell him she was feeling unwell and 400 00:28:17.259 --> 00:28:25.430 going home early. An hour later, Hardwick visited Williams at 401 00:28:25.490 --> 00:28:31.809 home and left soon after. A little while later, Hardwick 402 00:28:31.849 --> 00:28:37.099 received a text from Williams. Just had another cup of tea. 403 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:39.859 Going to switch light off and have a nap now. 404 00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:43.079 Will ring when I wake up as long as not late. 405 00:28:44.619 --> 00:28:50.049 Katrina Walsh arrived at Sarah Williams' home. Several minutes later, 406 00:28:50.329 --> 00:28:53.349 the two women emerged from the house and walked to 407 00:28:53.390 --> 00:28:59.180 the parked Renault Clio. Walsh returned alone to Williams' home. 408 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:08.029 On the night of the 14th of January, 2016, Walsh 409 00:29:08.180 --> 00:29:14.369 drives to Williams' home and stays there, incidentally, to look 410 00:29:14.430 --> 00:29:18.190 after Sarah Williams' dog as well as everything else. while 411 00:29:18.230 --> 00:29:22.319 Sarah Williams takes the Renault Clio, which has been hidden 412 00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:26.440 in a car park nearby, and drives it from there 413 00:29:26.940 --> 00:29:32.789 to Sadie Hartley's house. Sadie Hartley that day has been 414 00:29:32.809 --> 00:29:35.609 at work in a perfectly normal way in her office. 415 00:29:37.009 --> 00:29:38.829 She goes home at the end of the afternoon and 416

00:29:38.890 --> 00:29:41.529 in fact goes out to tend to her horse in 417 00:29:41.549 --> 00:29:46.170 the Sables. She gets back to the house about half 418 00:29:46.230 --> 00:29:47.579 past seven. 419 00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:54.460 Sarah Williams parked her car and very calmly walked up 420 00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:59.500 to Sadie Hartley's door. And as soon as Sadie Hartley 421 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:03.309 opened the door, She lunged at her with this stun gun, 422 00:30:04.009 --> 00:30:10.589 incapacitating her. And then she stabbed her over 40 times. 423 00:30:13.210 --> 00:30:16.670 And the whole murder, the whole attack took just four 424 00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:17.339 minutes and 40 seconds. 425 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:28.150 After 17 months of meticulous planning, Sadie Hartley, the woman 426 00:30:28.230 --> 00:30:31.630 standing between Sarah Williams and the love of her life, 427 00:30:31.769 --> 00:30:33.589 Ian Johnston, was dead. 428 00:30:34.650 --> 00:30:38.369 So in four minutes, she has ended the life of 429 00:30:38.410 --> 00:30:45.549 Sadie Hartley with 41 stab wounds. It's the most depraved, disgusting, 430 00:30:46.380 --> 00:30:50.259 horrifying crime. You cannot imagine the brutality of that. 431 00:30:51.420 --> 00:30:51.880 And yet. 432 00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:56.619 Sarah Williams is as cool as could be. She's very careful. 433 00:30:56.660 --> 00:30:59.690 She closes the door. She takes the murder weapon with 434 00:30:59.730 --> 00:31:03.329 her and, of course, the stun gun back to the car, 435 00:31:04.450 --> 00:31:08.319 gets in the car, drives back to Katrina Walsh. 436 00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:13.619 Williams met Walsh at a designated rendezvous in a car 437 00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:18.819 park at Ellesmere Port. They abandoned the Renault Clio and 438 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:25.029 drove home in Walsh's car. Once home, Williams had a 439 00:31:25.109 --> 00:31:27.109 plan to cover their tracks. 440 00:31:27.829 --> 00:31:32.069 She gave all of the evidence, all of the incriminating 441 00:31:32.170 --> 00:31:35.390 evidence to Walsh to get rid of. So she just 442 00:31:35.450 --> 00:31:38.259 wants it off her plate. She doesn't want any connection 443 00:31:38.380 --> 00:31:41.500 with these items. And she believes that Walsh is just 444 00:31:41.539 --> 00:31:45.680 going to dispose of them. And Williams will later ensure 445 00:31:45.700 --> 00:31:48.059 that there is no forensic evidence on her. She'll have 446 00:31:48.099 --> 00:31:49.839 a bath. She'll have a bit of a cleanup when 447 00:31:49.900 --> 00:31:53.660 she gets home. But all of that really compelling evidence 448 00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:55.400 is now in the hands of Walsh. 449 00:31:57.420 --> 00:32:00.359 The following day, Williams went to work at the chill 450 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:06.769 factory as normal. Katrina Walsh also went to work at 451 00:32:06.849 --> 00:32:11.430 Collins Farm Stables, taking the incriminating evidence with her. 452 00:32:14.660 --> 00:32:17.420 Most of us, when we hurt someone, when we upset somebody, 453 00:32:17.660 --> 00:32:20.329 we feel guilty about it. We feel bad. We're not 454 00:32:20.410 --> 00:32:24.329 quite ourselves afterwards. But Williams is completely different. She's able 455 00:32:24.369 --> 00:32:26.690 to just pick up and get on with her life. 456 00:32:27.130 --> 00:32:29.400 And I'm sure she's thinking about the next stage of 457 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:31.759 the plan here of getting Ian Johnston back. 458 00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:38.400 The day after the murder on Friday the 15th of January, 459 00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:42.619 a concerned colleague of Sadie Hartley's called the police, who 460 00:32:42.700 --> 00:32:45.609 went to the house in Helmshaw and found her lying 461 00:32:45.700 --> 00:32:52.309 dead in the hallway. Former Detective Superintendent David Swindle has 462 00:32:52.349 --> 00:32:56.529 been the attending senior officer at numerous murder scenes. 463 00:32:57.910 --> 00:33:00.470 One of the big things is looking at the victim, 464 00:33:01.069 --> 00:33:03.109 is to find out what there is in the victim's 465 00:33:03.150 --> 00:33:07.049 life that would lead to a possible motive, and the 466 00:33:07.089 --> 00:33:13.690 victim and the associates. So the victim's associate was Johnston. 467 00:33:14.109 --> 00:33:16.990 He was on a skiing holiday at the time, so 468 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:21.740 he was contacted. And when he was contacted, he spoke 469 00:33:21.859 --> 00:33:28.099 about an obsessive ex-partner, and the police identified who that 470 00:33:28.140 --> 00:33:30.000 was with the assistance of Johnston. 471 00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:35.279 Johnston also told the police about the strange late-night delivery 472 00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.940 of flowers Sadie had told him about the previous week. 473 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:44.359 The information provided by Johnston to the police was enough 474 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:49.279 for them to bring Sarah Williams in for questioning. On Sunday, 475 00:33:49.339 --> 00:33:53.940 the 17th of January, 2016, she was arrested. 476 00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:58.200 Williams was arrested at 3 o'clock in the morning when 477 00:33:58.220 --> 00:34:02.470 she was at her own home. Her demeanor was quite calm. 478 00:34:02.630 --> 00:34:06.849 It was quite cool. She didn't appear to be freaking out. 479 00:34:06.950 --> 00:34:10.449 She didn't appear to be overly upset or overly distressed. 480 00:34:10.869 --> 00:34:13.860 And this was a persona that she maintained throughout her 481 00:34:13.889 --> 00:34:17.460 police interview. She seemed very unaffected by the fact that 482 00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:20.780 she was being arrested for the most serious of crimes. 483 00:34:21.780 --> 00:34:26.219 When questioned, Sarah Williams denied any knowledge or involvement in 484 00:34:26.260 --> 00:34:31.099 the murder of Sadie Hartley. After four interviews, she declined 485 00:34:31.139

--> 00:34:35.840 to answer any further questions and only replied, no comment. 486 00:34:37.940 --> 00:34:42.500 The police then began investigating the strange flower delivery on 487 00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:44.719 the evening of the 7th of January. 488 00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:48.739 The UK is one of the world's most watched nations 489 00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:52.579 in terms of the CCTV and surveillance that we have here. 490 00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:56.389 So every element of the planning of this murder was 491 00:34:56.449 --> 00:35:01.280 captured on CCTV. There was AMPR data as well, automatic 492 00:35:01.340 --> 00:35:05.010 number plate recognition. So there was this digital trail that 493 00:35:05.050 --> 00:35:06.739 these two killers left behind them. 494 00:35:07.750 --> 00:35:10.449 On the night of January 7th, the night of the 495 00:35:10.510 --> 00:35:15.550 dry run, CCTV from Sadie's neighbor's house revealed a figure 496 00:35:15.570 --> 00:35:19.789 of about 5'6 wearing a baseball cap. It was unclear 497 00:35:19.849 --> 00:35:23.739 if this person was male or female. Then the police 498 00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:28.590 traced the movements of a silver Vauxhall captured driving towards Helmshaw, 499 00:35:28.969 --> 00:35:32.690 stopping at a Tesco store in Haslingdon and arriving near 500 00:35:32.769 --> 00:35:37.090 Sadie Hartley's home. The owner of the car was Katrina Walsh. 501 00:35:38.699 --> 00:35:43.619 On Monday, the 18th of January, 2016, Katrina Walsh was 502 00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:48.719 arrested at the riding stables where she worked. Unlike Sarah Williams, 503 00:35:49.099 --> 00:35:52.409 Katrina was unable to stay quiet. 504 00:35:53.130 --> 00:35:56.969 Walsh absolutely spills the beans. Before she even gets into 505 00:35:56.989 --> 00:36:01.719 the interview room, she's telling the custody sergeant absolutely everything 506 00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:04.980 about what's happened, to the extent that the custody sergeant 507 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.480 actually has to say to her, stop, save this. 508 00:36:07.340 --> 00:36:08.039 For the interview. 509 00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:11.679 So the contrast between these two suspects is really striking. 510 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.010 She wants to frame me for it or kill me 511 00:36:14.070 --> 00:36:15.050 and frame me for it. 512 00:36:15.349 --> 00:36:18.610 Walsh claimed that Williams had committed the murder and that 513 00:36:18.690 --> 00:36:22.869 she had unwittingly been caught up in it. she accompanied 514 00:36:22.909 --> 00:36:26.070 the police to the stables where she worked and revealed 515 00:36:26.110 --> 00:36:28.690 where she'd hidden all the incriminating evidence. 516 00:36:29.750 --> 00:36:32.789 Everything that had been used in the murder was right 517 00:36:32.809 --> 00:36:36.590 there for them. So, in the ground, you had the knife, 518 00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:42.579 the stun gun and the boots, the boots which had 519 00:36:42.900 --> 00:36:46.539 some of Sadie Hartley's blood on them. And in the eaves, 520 00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:50.920 you've got Katrina Walsh's diaries which detail... in, you know, 521 00:36:50.940 --> 00:36:55.119 sort of minute detail of how they planned Sadie Hartley's murder. 522 00:36:56.239 --> 00:36:59.739 And the police also discovered that Sarah Williams hadn't been 523 00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:03.719 as clever as she thought in disposing of incriminating evidence. 524 00:37:04.420 --> 00:37:07.130 When she got home, she had a shower or a bath. 525 00:37:07.309 --> 00:37:10.389 She cleaned up with bleach. But there were things that 526 00:37:10.469 --> 00:37:14.710 she missed, so the police were able to get some 527 00:37:14.769 --> 00:37:18.010 trace evidence from the bath where there were traces of 528 00:37:18.170 --> 00:37:23.590 Sadie's DNA. They found on Sarah's spectacles some particles of 529 00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:27.079 blood that had been transferred during the murder. So she 530 00:37:27.139 --> 00:37:29.800 thought that she'd done a good cleanup, but she certainly hadn't. 531 00:37:30.260 --> 00:37:35.179 Williams is now in custody under suspicion. Walsh is now 532 00:37:35.500 --> 00:37:42.300 in custody under suspicion. And Walsh provides, essentially, the evidence 533 00:37:42.340 --> 00:37:46.760 to convict Williams. She has always maintained that throughout the 534 00:37:47.219 --> 00:37:49.619 plot that they hatched together, she was never going to 535 00:37:49.659 --> 00:37:52.059 be at what she called the sharp end of the killing. 536 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:54.380 She wasn't going to do the killing. She was just 537 00:37:54.460 --> 00:37:57.639 going to assist. But of course, British law insists that 538 00:37:57.699 --> 00:38:00.960 if you are collaborative in a murder, you are equally 539 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:01.739 guilty of murder. 540 00:38:06.989 --> 00:38:14.469 January 20th, 2016. Sarah Williams and Katrina Walsh were charged 541 00:38:14.489 --> 00:38:20.610 with the murder of Sadie Hartley. Both women denied murdering her. 542 00:38:22.139 --> 00:38:27.159 On August 3rd, 2016, the trial of Sarah Williams and 543 00:38:27.219 --> 00:38:30.559 Katrina Walsh began at Preston Crown Court. 544 00:38:31.300 --> 00:38:35.530 They both pointed the finger at each other, but of 545 00:38:35.610 --> 00:38:42.269 course the prosecution gave a motive. Sarah Williams was to 546 00:38:42.289 --> 00:38:44.630 get rid of her love rival, who she thought was 547 00:38:44.670 --> 00:38:46.929 standing in the way of her being with her perfect man, 548 00:38:47.010 --> 00:38:52.210 Ian Johnston. And the motive they gave for Katrina Walsh 549 00:38:52.570 --> 00:38:57.760 was to help her friend, but also that she found 550 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:01.719 the idea of plotting this murder very exciting. 551 00:39:03.739 --> 00:39:07.719 Just the salacious nature of it, everything that came out 552 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:12.260 in court, the level of planning

that they went through. 553 00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:17.840 And the fact that they were two women who murdered 554 00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:22.019 another woman, and for what really? A sordid affair that 555 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:27.260 was no longer even happening. And the way that they 556 00:39:27.300 --> 00:39:30.199 kind of viewed it as some kind of game. and 557 00:39:30.219 --> 00:39:33.980 they forgot in all of that that it wasn't a game, 558 00:39:34.099 --> 00:39:36.679 and they weren't in a novel, and they weren't characters, 559 00:39:37.099 --> 00:39:40.320 and that she was actually a person. 560 00:39:42.849 --> 00:39:46.989 Sarah Williams decided to take the stand in her defense. 561 00:39:47.650 --> 00:39:47.929 There was. 562 00:39:49.059 --> 00:39:54.619 Absolutely no sense of remorse there. The prosecution, I remember, 563 00:39:55.320 --> 00:40:00.460 were trying to talk about Sadie Hartley's family, her daughter, 564 00:40:00.579 --> 00:40:04.050 who had just got engaged, and trying to get her 565 00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:07.969 to think about how the family would feel about their 566 00:40:08.010 --> 00:40:14.349 murdered mother. Sarah Williams stood in the dock, very calm 567 00:40:14.929 --> 00:40:20.460 and very arrogant, very nonchalant. and just denied having anything to. 568 00:40:20.389 --> 00:40:20.840 Do with it. 569 00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:26.880 Unlike Sarah Williams, Katrina Walsh chose not to defend herself 570 00:40:27.260 --> 00:40:27.699 in court. 571 00:40:28.460 --> 00:40:33.199 Walsh's conduct in court was quite different from that of Williams. 572 00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:37.369 Whilst Williams was quite confident, quite self-assured, Walsh just kind 573 00:40:37.409 --> 00:40:40.429 of shrunk into herself, and her conduct was quite similar 574 00:40:40.829 --> 00:40:44.630 to that of her early police interviews. So she didn't 575 00:40:44.690 --> 00:40:47.389 make eye contact with anybody. She sat with her head down. 576 00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:50.639 And this is a very kind of childlike response to 577 00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:53.469 the situation in which she finds herself. She just wants 578 00:40:53.550 --> 00:40:55.969 it all to go away and that if I don't 579 00:40:56.030 --> 00:40:58.030 look at people, they can't look at me. 580 00:40:59.710 --> 00:41:06.260 The trial lasted for seven weeks. On August 17th, 2016, 581 00:41:06.260 --> 00:41:10.119 Sarah Williams and Katrina Walsh were found guilty of the 582 00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:12.019 murder of Sadie Hartley. 583 00:41:12.860 --> 00:41:14.239 So Sarah Williams was. 584 00:41:14.900 --> 00:41:17.820 Sentenced to life in prison with a minimum of 30 585 00:41:17.820 --> 00:41:21.760 years and another life sentence for Katrina Walsh, but a 586 00:41:21.820 --> 00:41:26.110 minimum of 25 years. And despite Katrina Walsh not actually 587 00:41:26.650 --> 00:41:30.230 being there at the murder scene on the night of 588 00:41:30.269 --> 00:41:33.989 the murder, she was found to be just as culpable 589 00:41:34.889 --> 00:41:35.769 and just as guilty. 590 00:41:37.550 --> 00:41:42.159 When handing down the sentences, the trial judge was unrestrained 591 00:41:42.539 --> 00:41:43.460 in his summations. 592 00:41:44.820 --> 00:41:50.989 Mr Justice Turner, in his sentencing remarks, points out that 593 00:41:51.070 --> 00:41:56.849 in contrast to the life-affirming good spirits of Sadie Hartley, 594 00:41:57.849 --> 00:42:02.800 these are two vile, despicable women. And he says, and 595 00:42:02.860 --> 00:42:07.260 I quote, but let no one make the mistake of 596 00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:11.099 thinking this is a crime of passion. It was a 597 00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:20.480 crime of obsession. of arrogance, of barbarity. But above all, 598 00:42:21.300 --> 00:42:23.039 it was a crime of pure evil. 599 00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:31.039 When Sarah Williams wanted a man, no one was going 600 00:42:31.059 --> 00:42:34.440 to get in her way. Any love rival. 601 00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:35.699 Became an enemy. 602 00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:40.510 Katrina Walsh was her willing accomplice, thrilled by the game 603 00:42:40.550 --> 00:42:45.090 of catching their prey. Sadie Hartley had no idea she 604 00:42:45.150 --> 00:42:48.989 was part of their sick game when she was ruthlessly 605 00:42:49.090 --> 00:42:53.880 murdered by these two women, making Sarah Williams and Katrina 606 00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:57.639 Walsh two of the world's most evil killers.