Jeremy Boreing Is WRONG About American Identity w:Kangmin Lee [Reformation Red Pill]의 전체 녹취록

you had children with her. And then those kids married another white American. Those childrens, your children's children, and especially your children's children's children would be basically as American as most people, because they would have a lineage in this nation on one side or the other of the family. And they like, you would have totally integrated generationally into the American projects. What do you think? Yeah, absolutely. I think this is actually something that's lost among a lot of people when it comes to the immigration debate is that if you look at history, the majority of the time immigration was very, very rare. But in the rare instances it did happen. Yeah, assimilation was achieved primarily through marriage. Right. And so that's exactly right. Right. So it's like, you know, the interracial marriage conversation. It's, I think it's so unproductive because we're not talking about like what it actually results in and what kind of heritage and inheritance you leave for your posterity and how it functions within the broad fabric of society. But yeah, like it's like, I'm not a racial purist. I think that people should marry within their own people as much as possible within their own homes. But if you are in a host country and yeah, you want to genuinely assimilate the best way to do so is through marriage. I could not agree. That's where I totally get off with the kines. It's like, no, actually, this is historically, even biblically, this is the precedent. If you want to join a new people, you join your family to this national family. Because what is a nation if not an extension of your family? Exactly. That's all it is. And so that's why it's like, okay, if you want to marry within your own, then do so at your in your ancestral homeland, which again, this is the conversation that a lot of it can be solved. A lot of our immigration, a lot of the diversity question can be solved if we just enforced healthy standards like this. Like, okay, assimilation, we should encourage you assimilating to the native people if you are wanting to assimilate here. Because I don't think anyone genuinely is like a racial purist because like nobody truly is a racial purist. I am like 100% Korean, but I probably have like 0.2% Mongolian here and there or some sort of Japanese. I don't know. But yeah, no one's a true racial purist. So then the moment you start to go for racial purity, you lose the argument to leftist and liberals. But what we have to talk about is, okay, assimilation, what that looks like, how yes, what you do look like does matter. But then how can we encourage a society that's cohesive and has a secure, solid national identity while accommodating the very small minority of immigrants who want to come in assimilate. And then, okay, if you want to stay within your own group, then yes, we can accommodate that. Just go back. Yeah. And I think this is a conversation that can be productive. Yeah. And if you won't go back, like, and here's the thing, I'm even open. If we have a strong national identity and we understand who we are, basically speaking we have homogeneity, then, okay, if you've got a little Korean community or whatever, that's fine. But we're going to mark you as unassimulating and not getting all of the rights of a citizen. Yeah. And a civil magistrate would be well within his rights to do that. Not only guys, and some of some of our listeners might go, okay, that does sound relatively common sense, but why are you, who says that that's right versus what we currently have? And something that's really important, we are not going to get very far into this video by the way. But we will try. Yeah. The conversation, I have Kong Min Lee in the studio. I got a day advantage of this, right? So you have three basic ways of organizing a nation or we could say three different types of nationalism. You've got civic nationalism, cultural nationalism and popular nationalism. Civic nationalism says, you are an American in the context of America because the state says so. You checked all the right boxes. And so now the state has conferred upon you American citizenship. So according to the civic nationalist perspective, all it is is paperwork and commitment to ideas that you don't actually have to manifest in reality. You just check all the right boxes and you are a paperwork American. A civic nationalist, that's their perspective on national identity. It's ridiculous. It's retarded. Nations didn't do this until very, very, very recently. Very recently. Okay. So civic nationalism, you've got cultural nationalism, which says this is the halfway house between civic nationalism and popular nationalism. It says, no, actually what it means to be a part of a nation and you view or might relate to this topic I did before probably this year, last year because I hadn't thought through these. I hadn't gone to the word of God to really seek out what I should believe with regard to these things. But cultural nationalism, which says really what it means to be a part of this nation is that you assimilate into all of our cultural artifacts. Like you come in and you speak our language and you enjoy the Fourth of July and you convert to our faith, the truth and only faith, the Christian religion. And then you can be American. The problem with this, in fact, let me just ask you, Coleman, what is the problem with cultural nationalism? What would you say? Again, it reduces us and it's inherently nostic. Yes. That's correct. That's correct. Because it says that your behaviors and everything that who you are is essentially just up here. Yes. And what you think, but no, we're actually beings. And this is where like I was never, I never understood the nostic argument to all of this because as a Korean, like being a Korean was a very big part of my life and it meant a lot to me like my Korean heritage. And so especially in Korean traditional culture, like your life, everything that you have, even your hair

is a gift from your parents and your ancestors. And so that's why actually I shaved my head. That's why my hair is short right now. I shaved my head because Korea lost in the world, COVID in South Africa. And I'll never forget this because I shaved it for fun because I made a bet online. And then not like actual sports betting or anything, but like, you know, just like, I'm going to shave my head if they lose and then I they lost. So I'll say, okay, I'll be a man of my word. But then my dad sent me a long essay about how he's very sad at this because Wow. In Korean culture, your hair is a very big part of who you are because it's a gift that your parents gave you. That's fascinating. Right. And then so it's like, yeah, like that's why before modern society, free and men actually didn't cut their hair and they held it in a bun up here. And that's what they have to like the funky hat called the cat, right? But that's that's how Koreans operated for thousands of years. Wow. And this is what they believed. And so I was like, whoa, like, yeah, like who I am, even my hair, what I look like, my skin complexion, my genetics, my height, the length of my toenails, everything is a gift for my parents and my ancestors. It is something that is important. And it does inform who I am. And everyone knows it's too because I can identify, I identify you as Joshua Haynes because you look a certain way. If you put a mask on like one of those CIA agents or something, I wouldn't recognize you. Yeah. That's right. So who we are is like what we look like is a big part of who we are. It's not everything, but it is a part of who we are. And then so that's why I can go anywhere in the entire world. And they'll automatically recognize me, not as an American. No, but as a Korean because why I am descended from a people in a small peninsula in East Asia for thousands of years. That's that's so good. And that is a great summary of the problem with cultural nationalism because cultural nationalism says that national identity can be reduced. To these cultural artifacts, but the problem is where did those cultural artifacts come from? The people, the people made them. Yes. Right. So if you took up, you know, 10 million Koreans and place them in Texas, you wouldn't have Texas anymore. Yeah. You would have a little Korea. Yeah. Like of course you would. Yeah. Like even if they loved America, like they would produce a different culture. Right. Exactly. And so to your point, cultural nationalism is a form of narcissism. It's to say like culture just plopped down out of nowhere. That's just ideas bouncing around. No, the culture was produced. The ideas came from a particular people with a particular heritage. Yes. Right. So that's the halfway house that's really it's self-contradictory. It's self-defeating because you don't have culture without people, which is leads us to the last type of nationalism, which would be popular nationalism. In other words, the people make the country. And like I've said elsewhere, that doesn't mean that nobody can come from any other people and join that people, but they are joining a people. And they are forsaking their old loyalties to be loyal to a new place. Right. Your God will become my God. Your people will become my people. I love this people. I love this land. I'm loyal to these people. I'm loyal to this land only. Yes. Only. And yeah, anyway, so those are the three types of nationalism. And I think that more and more people are waking up to the fact that the first two don't make any sense. Like humans don't operate that way. We never have. And the only one that even is just like more and more people just want to have this conversation. They go, oh, that, yeah, actually now that you say it, you don't sound race, race as at all. You just sound like you're spouting common sense. Of course. Yes. Yeah. And one thing I want to say before we continue and yeah, I don't know where exactly Jeremy talks about this, but he makes the point of like, civic nationalism and all that stuff. But the reality is I became a nationalized citizen 10 years ago. And I took the oath to ceremonies, right? To OK, I've renounced my allegiance to my previous country, everything like that. Just by that alone, that oath that you swear to America to defend it, the constitution and to be loyal to America, the majority of immigrants would be disqualified from holding American citizenship. They have broken their oath already. Right. You know this because they fly Mexican flags, they fly Chinese flags, even Koreans, fly Korean flags and people are like, aren't you critical in your studio? You have a Korean flag. Yeah, I know that because I understand like I actually have still have a tie to my homeland because I love it, but I love America. So I love America because the people built it and I don't want to change it into Korea. I don't want to change it into something. It's not. But by that very, even just I would even be OK with civic nationalism. If the people who are saying that America is a propositional nation actually was consistent, that OK, if you don't agree to our proposition, that you're not an American. Yeah. But then these people, they literally tell you straight to your face, OK, denaturalizing people who have American citizenship, who have the paperwork, but reject the propositions that you claim America's all about, that would be un-American. Yeah. And I'm like, OK, so you're just, you're just spouting nonsense and you're actually a dishonest person because you don't actually believe that America is an idea because those who reject that idea, you have literally, literal communists running around a muck in this country everywhere. You do campus debates. I've done a few. They're everywhere. Everywhere. Why aren't you denaturalizing? And why aren't you calling for them to be denaturalized? Oh, it's not American to do so, but they reject the ideas of America. So by your definition, they're not Americans. So

why do they have American citizenship? That's right. So it's, it's, it's, I'll believe you whenever you start denaturalizing and deporting people who are insufficiently committed to these propositions, exactly, that you put on paper and said, if you, if you'll submit to them, you're an American. OK. So to port them, the ones that have demonstrated that they, that they don't subscribe to the proposition. We have tons of Hindus, tons of Muslims. We have tons of communists. We have tons of people and all different types of immigrant groups who worship different gods who do not subscribe to even what they deemed to be American values of freedom of liberty, the rule of law, remarket, all that stuff. So it's OK. By your definition, they should be gone. But you don't believe that. Oh, then that's what you're just lying then at that point. Why? Because you want to countercignal people like you and me and everyone on the right who believe that, yeah, nations aren't just plots of land, arbitrary things that happen in society. No, they are actually a home to a people. That's right. That's right. Let's let Jeremy. Those are these cases more for more than 31st century. Let's go. What about the immigrant himself? What about his children? What about a child born this week in a hospital in Texas to two people across the river just last night? What is an American? And who gets to decide? And what does it mean if the rest of us don't agree? Every one of these questions can be asked in good faith and every one of them can be asked in bad faith too. The fight over these questions is tearing up the internet. It's tearing up the right and it's quietly reshaping the country underneath our feet. But this isn't. I take issue with that because I don't think the debate about national identity is reshaping the country under our feet. I think the fact that the left is imported. Millions and millions of foreigners who are in no way committed to the American propositions for decades have completely reshaped our demographics. Have taken our high trust society and obliterated it. I think that's reshaping America under our feet. And I think we're just noticing that and saying, hey, maybe we shouldn't do that. Maybe that maybe that's what's happening. You know, he's like, but for him, us noticing and objecting to it, that's what's reshaping America. And again, that's that's we always say that I said this on the previous episode too. It is the focus on calling out the bad behavior than the bad behavior itself. So no, the ones who are reshaping America is left in this country. It is the Democrats that the left who import millions, tens of millions of hostile foreigners, frankly. And no, but the conversation of what it means to be actually an American. That's reshaping America. No, it's not. 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Barbra, that children born on American soil to parents who are here illegally or only temporarily are nevertheless citizens at birth under the 14th Amendment. The 2025 executive order trying to deny them that citizenship is now dead. The vote was 6-3 to strike the order down, or maybe 5-4, depending on how you read Justice Kavanaugh's ruling. Kavanaugh concurred in the result, but rejected the majority's reasoning, which is why it's actually difficult to say exactly what the split was. Chief Justice Roberts, writing for the majority, leaned on the same controlling precedent that has stood since 1898's United States versus Wong Kim Art, which held that the 14th Amendment indeed grants citizenship to children born here, regardless of their parent status, with only narrow exceptions by children to foreign diplomats. In Trump v. Barbra, the administration had argued that the Constitution actually requires something that the text doesn't say outright. That a child's parents be lawfully domiciled in the United States, not just present here. The majority rejected that theory outright, finding no evidence that the amendments, ratifiers ever intended a domicile requirement, and holding that children born here to parents unlawfully or temporarily present

are nevertheless citizens at birth. The great Clarence Thomas, of course, wrote a blistering 91-page descent, joined by Justice Gorsuch, Justice Alito, descended separately, calling the ruling a serious mistake, and one of the most important decisions in the court's history. Justice Alito is calling out a very real and existential problem. Here's just one example. For years now, a documented pattern has emerged of expectant mothers from China, traveling to Saipan, a small American territory into Pacific, for a single purpose, to give birth on American soil. The child is born a citizen of the United States, passport, birthright, the whole inheritance. Conservative estimates put the number of babies born to Chinese mother in Saipan alone, and over a 3300 since 2009. A broader estimate, cited by a group of House Republicans just this year, put the figure nationwide as high as seven figures. So right now, he's basically, like right-wing virtue signaling saying, I agree that we have a problem with, you know, birth tourism in our country, that they were wrong when they decided that. That they're, but essentially, the bot is going to get here pretty quick, which is going to be, but those heritage American, you know, enjoyers, they're the real problem. They're the real problem. They're the nativeists. Yeah, that's right. Justice Alito and his descent, one that the ruling confers citizenship on virtually everyone who happens to be born in this country, including the children of birth tourists. Are the children of birth tourists actually Americans? Well, the Supreme Court just said yes, according to the plain text of the 14th Amendment, but what they didn't answer is the philosophical question. What is an American? Every nation that has ever existed is carried in its head, some picture of itself, some set of markers that it uses to know its own from strangers. Sometimes it's bloodline, sometimes it's language, sometimes it's a shared god or a shared king or a shared story about where they came from. It's usually all of those things. It's all of those things. It's all of those things. All of those things. Together. Yeah. And where they're going. It's almost never just one of those things, and every people works at its own definition, usually over centuries and often in argument and sometimes even war. For nearly all of human history, the land we now call the United States was not one nation, but hundreds distinct tribes speaking distinct languages, warring and trading across a continent that had no idea Europe. We're going to go to where it gets interesting. Yeah. Roman citizenship wasn't just a feeling. It wasn't where your grandfather happened to be buried. It was a legal and moral status that carried weight precisely because it carried both obligation and protection together bound into one thing. In the book of Acts, the Apostle Paul, a Jew, a tent maker from Tarsus, is about to be flagged by a Roman officer. And he says almost casually, I was born a citizen. Well, the whole machine grinds to a halt. A man's status as a citizen of Rome could stop a Roman whip midair. And Rome didn't stay Rome by keeping citizenship locked up among the old families of the seven hills, either. No, Rome grew by opening its gates to outsiders, but by requiring those outsiders to first take on her laws and her loyalties. By the way, there is a lot of scholarship and consensus and at the academic and the historian community that extending Roman citizenship to basically everyone led to the downfall of the Roman Empire. Yes. Okay. You didn't have a core identity anymore. Yeah. After the Italian allies rose up in the social war, fighting and dying over the question of whether they'd ever be led in. Rome made the wiser choice and made them citizens. But centuries later, the Emperor Caracalla issued an edict making nearly every free man in the empire a citizen from Britain to the deserts of Syria. Historians still argue about whether that was to strengthen the Roman display or the beginning of the end of Rome. Yeah, right. Whether a citizenship handed out so broadly that it asked nothing in return, finally meant nothing at all. It's the same argument we're having in America today. Is citizenship a covenant or a coupon? Is it a thing you're initiated into with all the duties that the word implies? Or is it just a thing you're issued, like a license plate? Rome thrived even with incredible geographic and ethnic diversity, so long as becoming a Roman meant becoming a Roman. But Rome started to dissolve when the title floated free of the very thing that was supposed to signify. So interesting. So I accidentally laid the framework at the beginning of the episode, right? We've got civic nationalism, cultural nationalism, and popular nationalism. I suspect that he is about to make the case for cultural nationalism. Like, if you just come and you do our things, you do it our way, and you subscribe to our values, you can be as every bit as American as, you know, so and so who can trace their lineage back to Jamestown. When it comes to American citizenship, perhaps no one has said it better than William F Buckley, who in 1995 said, quote, what this comes down to ultimately is assimilation. The idea of immigration is not alone to provide shelter or even economic opportunity, but to create another American. That is the covenant. You come here, you take the country on its own terms, and the country makes you one of its own. What we're seeing today is American citizenship rendered meaningless through uncontrolled mass migration with no expectation of assimilation. Okay. That's true. That's true. Yeah. And like I said, he's about to make the culture, he is making the culturally. That's what he's saying. Assimilation. And here's the thing. I agree with the general point that someone can go to a new nation, a new people, a new ethnos, and assimilate what I disagree with is that that process can be completed in one lifetime. Oh,

absolutely cannot. That's why. Because fundamentally, if you're reducing the people down to their culture, cultural artifacts, the ideas that you can assimilate into, well, then it makes perfect sense that you or anyone else can go to another people and assimilate in. But if we understand nations as people and not just culture, well, then it takes two people to come together and make another person. Yes. And then ultimately, assimilation would happen over generations. What were you going to say? Yeah. I got a lot of flack for this online for saying this, but I agree with Thomas Quynis when he talks about assimilation that it takes at least three generations about to go there, but continue. It takes at least three generations because those who recently arrive in a new country, they don't know the ethos of the country, they don't know the loves, they don't know the history. And even if they learn the history, they don't really care too much for it. Right. The talk to any naturalized citizen in America, they know nothing about the founding of America. The only thing that they'll know is the liberal definition of the ethos is pluralistic secular. We're just all trying to get along Chungus like society. That's right. It was made for you. That's all they know about it, but they don't know about the intricacies of all of the documents and the ideas of the founding fathers, how Americans bled and died to create this nation. For who? For us and our posterity. They think the freedom is all for anyone who holds the paperwork of an American, but the Constitution itself is very clear that it's to secure the blessings of liberty to our posterity. What do posterity mean? Direct descendants. And a lot of people say today, no, actually when they say posterity, they're meant like anyone who's going to be in America, it's like, no, like you can't do this because you yell at people who say that and use that line of reasoning for scripture to twist scripture to say what it doesn't say. You're doing the exact same thing here because if you look at what the founders actually meant, you read all their writings and the context behind it, yes, they meant the direct descendants. And so yes, it should be someone should, if they're going to be assimilated into a country, it takes at least three, three generations, at least three generations to participate in the political process, three generations to represent your country in any meaningful way. This is why I'm against immigrants or non-people's, like I don't know what non-ethnic I guess you can say, representing anyone on the national stage in sports competitions. Like I didn't like that Zion Suzuki was this goalkeeper of Japan because he's black and was born in Newark, New Jersey. Watching the World Cup is literally just watching like the African brown, the African guy. Yeah, that is wild. It's like the North and sub-Saharan African Cup. That's all it is. And then there was a striker on the Korean team who was half German, half Korean. And he lived his entire life in Germany. He doesn't, he barely speaks Korean. He doesn't even have a Korean name. And then he plays for Korea because you get more playing time before. And then he played it. And I'm like, I don't like that. Am I racist against Germans now? Do I hate white people? No, because he has not sufficiently assimilated. And if you want to assimilate, sure, have, have a maria Korean woman and then have Korean children and then have Korean Korean grandchildren. And then those Korean grandchildren can be the ones who represent Korea, Korean on the world stage. Am I saying that he can never play soccer in Korea professionally? No. But what I am saying is that he can't represent Korea as a part of the world. And then people say that I'm like, Oh, but why are you restricting his freedom? Because freedom is not my fundamental political virtue. A maximal personal autonomy for people to do whatever they want in society is not what I care about as a Christian, as a right-winger, as just a being of society, a member of society. I care about what is good, orderly, what preserves a healthy hierarchy. And yeah, like these things start to disintegrate your national identity. Of course they do. What you said is exactly right, dead on, spot on, and we can ground it in the word of God. You probably know this already, but for our audience. So Deuteronomy 23, starting in verse three says, and this is God's immigration plan. Okay. God's immigration plan. No ammonite or moe bite may enter the assembly of the Lord even to the 10th generation. So starting off, he's saying that there are certain groups. There are certain nations, ethnos, tribes who have a particular hostility towards the Israelite people. Those people, it's going to take 10 generations for them to be full citizens. Because of the hostility that goes back generations, right? And okay, we'll keep going here. So then it goes on to say that, let's go to verse five, but the Lord your God would not listen to Baillum. Instead, the Lord your God turned the person to a blessing because the Lord your God loved you. You shall not seek, oh, this is talking about the the ammonites. So this is talking about the ammonites and moe bites. So the first ones, they can't do it. They can't come in at all. But then when it comes to Egypt, so the Lord your God, they provided for you while you were in exile. And then he goes on to say, you shall not seek their peace or their prosperity all your days forever. You shall not abhor an edamite for he is your brother. You shall not abhor an Egyptian because you were a soldier in his land. Children born to them in the third generation may enter the assembly of the Lord. So what is this saying? This is telling us that three generations to with a friendly nation, a nation who is friendly with our nation, three generations before they can fully assimilate, before they can fully come into the assembly of the Lord. This is God's immigration

plan. Now do we need to plop the Old Testament down into into New Testament, 21st century times? No, we shouldn't do that. But we should take what the Westminster calls the general equity principle laid out for us in the Old Testament. That does translate. So what's the general equity principle at work in this passage? It's very simple and you said it. A simulation takes time. How much time generations? Not one lifetime. At least he says three at least. And I didn't do a great thing. And that's for nations who are friendly. That's people who are friendly. So that's actually, I think that's actually a really good standard to have. It's like, okay, for nations and people groups who are hostile against America, it takes 10 generations for you to be an American. If you're more friendly towards America, let's say like Koreans are Japanese or let's say like British people, maybe the French here and there, South Africans. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It takes you three generations. Yeah. And of course, that makes sense. And so to me, this is like common sense and not only that it's God's immigration plan. So of course, if we're crafting out our immigration plan, why would we not look to this? The God of all creation who set it down for us. And so we can actually ground our ideas in the eternal Word of God. Where are, is that where are they grounding their ideas? That a person can just, they're just an economic unit, right? They're just a widget. You can place them from this cog and you can put them in the cog in this machine. We're just, you know, atomized individual blank slate, egalitarian, everyone's the same. That's not the world God made. It just isn't. It isn't. It's not the world God made. So anything else on that? I think your question on where do they root that? Will they root that in their God of egalitarianism? That's exactly right. That's where they root it because if all people are equal, which were not, no one is equal and two people aren't even, you're taller than me. Maybe some will say you're more handsome than I am. No, that's not even close. And it's more than me, you know more about the Bible than me. In so many different regards, you and I are not different. We are different and we are not equal. But that's okay. That's okay. It doesn't mean that you inherently because of your certain characteristics that like, oh, you have an inherent spiritual advantage than I do. Right. And we are logically superior. Exactly. Yeah. And that's what we have talking about. Because I'm taller. Yeah. We're not saying that because of our differences, there are like ontological superiority. Same thing with men and women, right? It's like men and women are not equal. I don't think they're equal at all. Except for, yes, we are both image-bearers of God. And we are beings that God created fearfully and wonderfully. And we are both needed. Men and women are needed for society for families and for the flourishing of our nation. This is interesting. We're talking

what struck me is this experience that I consistently have when I share this idea with people who are brand new to it. And they're like, their minds are blown. Wait a second. You're saying that my cousin or my best friend who came, he's a second generation, that he's not American. And I just like, yes, that's what I'm saying. Now let's think critically about this. Let's think about this. I mean, when then I begin to explain it to them in it, you can see like the wheels kind of turning. They're like, wait a second, that does make sense. And like the standard being laid out for us, what is that general equity principle? It's like to be a part of a people, you have to have a connection to the past, the connection to the past and not just a connection to the past, but a stake in the future. Meaning your loyalty is to this nation, to its people, to its land, to the flourishing of this nation and no other nation. You are, you have nowhere else to go. You have nowhere else to go. That's what makes you American. You can go somewhere else than you're not American. And even, and this is where it gets like one of my best friends, he is a second generation. Right. And so they're like, wait, you would say your best friend isn't as American? Like, yeah, in a sense, that's true. And that's why it's so good to have you in the studio because you're like, yeah, like that's not, you're not less than, you're not ontologically inferior just because we think that there should be standards of immigration that God held. Yeah, actually. And then we care about like actual definitions. Yes. And we're not just making sense and we're not just trying to subvert and trying to change the definition of words just to fit our modern 21st century liberal sensibilities. Yes. And so this is something that we have to really, really work through and start to red pill and Christ pill even. Yes. The, the mass is on because even the Lord who created all things and loves us very deeply, he had a standard for his people that Israelites in the Old Testament. And so if it's, if it's true for them, then why would it be not true for us? And I think that I always looked at this too where it's like God forbade the Israelites from interracially marrying, right, with other people. And now people say, yeah, it's because of X, Y and Z's because they're pagan societies, they worship different gods fine. But the God of the Old Testament, still the God of the New Testament, the God of today, he doesn't change. He's unchanging. Why would it be sinful for you not to want your children to marry someone of a different ethnicity or background? That's, and that's, and that's not hateful. It's not sinful. Right. And so it's natural. It's called natural and so funny because when black people do it, they don't say anything. Because black, there's a lot of foundational black Americans who actually kind of get this right by the way, but they're all like, like we should stay within our own. And it's like, okay, like I see where you're coming from because they're like, and their reasoning always is like, we got the best melanin. So you don't want to get rid of our melanin. I'm like, black. The sentiments correct. The reasoning is off. But that you see that and they have nothing to say about that. They literally don't say anything. But then, oh, for the white person or the Korean Asian, who is like, yeah, actually, I think I want to marry someone of a similar ethnic, which used to always be national background. And I want my children to do the same because I want my children to look like me and I want to have a continuity of passing down my heritage to my posterity. And then you say that and they look at you like you're Hitler. Yeah, they do. And I'm like, what? Yeah. That's the key. That's the key thing there that they have anathematized, like natural affections. They've anathematized natural affections. And it's so key because, let me don't hear what we're not saying. The Bible does not condemn interethnic or interracial marriage. Does not. The church fathers agree. It's lawful. Yes. It's lawful. Of course. The question becomes, is it wise? Is it wise? That is going to be based on like situation and situation. In fact, you brought this up at the top of the episode that, well, if you are seeking to join a new people, it actually is wise. Yeah. Like, if you are seeking to join a new people and you can find somebody else who's like who you fall in love with, you both love the Lord. And you're like, yes, I want to join my life into this new people. That's actually, that's the move. Yes, yes. That is the move. Yeah. But like you, it's what we want to say also is that you just desiring for your grandchildren, your grandchildren to look like you. And for that to be important, doesn't mean you're worshiping it. It doesn't mean you're worshiping your national identity. It doesn't mean it's an idol to you. It could be. Sure. It totally could be. Yeah, of course. Anything can be. But just that desire and of itself, not only is it not worshiping, it's like a natural thing. Like you said, I know like so many black people who are like, yeah, I want my grandkids to look like me. Of course. Yeah. Of course. And like you said, no one's going to bat an eye at that. Anyway, the double standard, you know, it's, it's, it's, yeah, tangible. We can all feel it. And it's, it's the cult of egalitarianism, but by extension to cult of individualism, essentially, saying like whatever I want in my desires is valid. And then you can't tell me otherwise. And then obviously a lot of conservatives and Christians have certain degrees of limits to that. But then yeah, their limits stop from like, okay, like if you, you can marry whoever you want to marry, you can marry whoever you want to marry as long as they're of legal age and the Christian. Yeah. No other considerations. What's so ever for genetics, ethnic background, cultural background, they have no consideration for it. And then

so when you start bringing up these points, it's like, hey, let's, let's talk through these a bit. Why? Why do you worship skin color so much, man? And I'm like, I don't. But, but let's, let's talk through these things in a way that's wise and productive because I want to, and it matters because national identity is identity is the primary thing that's driving so much of the political discourse. We're figuring out who we are, who do we worship? What do we believe? And so yeah, these questions about marriage as matter because marriage is not insular. It's not you're not in a silo in your marriage, maybe because of the infrastructure of America where it's a lot of suburbs, people think that like, oh, I can just have my own little silo. Yeah, that's right. But the reality is no, like no man is an island and a marriage marriage is a political institution fundamentally. It is. And so you think about, okay, then what kind of marriages do we want to have? And yeah, like we should want to desire marriages that produce a healthy institution in space for our children. Yes, right. But then like, for example, there's, there are a lot of interethnic marriages that happen in America. Let's say, for example, an Asian and a white, that's like the most common parent in it. That's my sister. Yeah. So a white man and an Asian woman, nothing wrong. I don't have anything inherently like a guest. Oh, no, it's opposite for my sister. Oh, yeah. Yeah, obviously. But it's like, okay, but then what happens is because there's a certain degree of like status conferred to being a minority, right? So then what the children of interethnic marriages do, they identify more with their minority ethnic side. But then you try to do that in a society where like America, you're supposed to be assimilating into American culture. But here's someone who is half, like, as American in the half Korean, for example. And then they're trying to hold on so desperately into their Korean side. Well, they don't speak the language. They don't look Korean. And then wherever they go, no one really recognizes them as Korean at first. And what do you do to that person? Well, especially when they're growing up, that's an identity crisis. They struggle heavily with their identity. And so that's why you look at a lot of these half Asians online and they turn out to be severe, severe bubble lips as overcompensation because of their identity crisis. And so we have to even think about, okay, how does the person I'm marrying also affect my children? There's nothing wrong with that. Like, is it wrong to desire a fertile, healthy spouse? Are you a eugenicist? If you don't want to marry someone who's like, you know, that isn't healthy and has health problems? No. That person is unworthy of marriage, of course not. But it's like having that preference and understanding, okay, I want a life for my children and how that's going to affect the body politic, broadly speaking, I think it's a good and wise conversation.

These are considerations that everyone knew that we were allowed to have until like five minutes ago. That's why my mom always tells me like, you need to marry someone who's spiritually healthy but also physically healthy because you have something that God is calling you to something and you want to also have healthy children. It's good. Nothing wrong with wanting a healthy wife so that you can have healthy children but also a wife who can support you in whatever God has called you to. That's good. That's good. And this is the kind of nuance that people need, honestly. We don't need the fire brands that are just like rage baiting everybody on this topic because like everything that we just said was common sense a few decades ago. It was. And if we can have this kind of conversation of why people into it, they can see like, wait a second. You may even disagree with us on this. And maybe you're just now encountering these ideas for the first time. That's okay. Like we can have that disagreement. So long as your response isn't racist. Like, hey, wait a second. Like deal with the ideas. Please. Like can we have this conversation? You know, because it's very clear that we are rooting all of these ideas, not just in preference, but in common sense, which is just inherited practices from our forefathers. Right. We're rooting it in scripture. Basically we're rooting it in natural law and special revelation. Right. So anyway, maybe we can do one more little segment before you got to go. All right. Let's keep going here. My ad for this episode. Yeah, you're over here. Is one that I'm super excited. Guys, don't skip. You want this mug. You've been looking at this mug for a long time. I know you're like, dude, that mug is so sick and it is so sick. And they're finally an official sponsor of the show. She had donated these mugs a while back. And I love them. I drink out of this mug and my other Jerusalem cross mugs literally every morning. 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And the real progress requires telling that story rather than mythologizing the founders. Nicole Hannah Jones put it plainly in the 1619 project. America is, she said, quote, a nation founded on both an ideal and a lie. If the founding creed was always hollow, if the ideal was mostly a lie anyway, then there's no principled case left for what citizenship should even require. You can't demand genuine allegiance to something you've already declared fraudulent from the start. The covenant becomes just a residency document. And a residency document is basically what we've been issuing from this country for a long time now without requiring people to learn the story or to trade old loyalties for a new one or to invest in anything beyond the act of showing up and taking. Correct. You've seen the results. Minnesota is home to the country's largest Somali immigrant population. At the latest count, Minnesota is home to roughly 107,000 people of Somali descent, the largest such community in the entire country. Most of them are citizens and more than half of them were born here. Are these immigrants all proud patriotic Americans? Well, not exactly. Watch a political rally for Congresswoman Ilhan Omar in Minnesota and your farmer likely to see Somali flags flying than you are American flags. That picture, that video of the one white guy in the sea of Somali is. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I felt so bad. A little darkness, my old friend. According to data from Minnesota, less than 15% of the Somali population speaks English and that even includes the ones who were actually born here. Bro, I went to Walmart, spoke to four people. One of them spoke English. I couldn't communicate with three. As a quarter of the people I spoke to in my own country, I could not have a conversation with and we're racist for objecting to that. Right. It's so absurd. Even for me as an immigrant who was raised here, I'm like, I want to be able to communicate with you. Oh my gosh. And it's like the Uber drivers. I mean, this is one guy. I'll never forget this. This has happened a few weeks ago. It's like delivering an Amazon package and it's like, I had to sign off on it because it was like camera equipment and then he was like, I need to, there's a code sent to your inbox. I'm like, I don't have a code. Can you send it again? He's like, I don't know how to. And he was saying it's like really broken after English, right? And I was like, just send it again. I'm sure you can send it again. He's like, I don't know how to. I did this this first time for me. And I was like, can I see your phone? He's like, sure. And this is a button, literally a blue button right there that says send code right there. And he didn't even press the button to send the code. And I was like, okay, I pressed it. It's like, okay, did you try this? He's like, I don't know. And I just, the code came. And I was like, okay. Like, you can't even like deliver your job. Like deliver a package to your job. And it's like, it's so radicalized because I'm like, imagine how an

American who's been here for like 11, 12, 13 generations feels when they feel like a foreigner in their own town, in their own country. And then the people they interact with on a daily can you speak proper English? And it's like, what are we doing? Like, okay, at least if you're a civic nationalist, if you're a cultural nationalist, if you are a proposition nation person and believer, then why don't we deport these people? Because according to you, they are not sufficiently holding two American ideas. Yeah. Let's get them out. But they don't. So then I think that they're being dishonest. I don't believe you anymore. Yeah, I don't believe you because if you really believe that, then you would be going gung ho, you'd be gung ho about denaturalizing and deporting someone like Hassan Piker. Right. But then they don't. And then I'll never forget this. I would say, okay, well, then why don't we denaturalize and deport people like Hassan Piker according to your definition of what it means to be an American? Like, that would be an American. I'm like, well, then you're just bunch of bull cravin. So what it means to be an American to you is just whatever is convenient to satisfy you and your liberal sensibilities and to win an argument. That's all it means, then it means nothing. Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, that's correct. We've lived here for decades. 81% of Somali immigrant households are on welfare. They have an incarceration rate approximately double that of native born people. You want to find much respect for American democracy among this population either. In 2020, undercover journalist is not an idea has become a motto and a rallying cry for a new movement on the dissident right. That's us. It seems to define Americans not by our superior ideas, but by bloodlines. It's being promoted by the problem. And to be clear, he is oversimplifying the entire argument by saying all we only believe in bloodline. We don't. Yeah, it's not just bloodline. It figures like Marjorie Taylor Greene, Nick Funtez, Elijah Schaefer, and Jack Bessobet. CJ Engel, who helped popularize the German man. CJ shout out. He's great. He has incredible writing. Oh, he's so good. He's so good. Yeah, American has put actual policy proposals behind this new way of thinking. Just last month, he said, quote, we have to undergo a decade of intense radicalization in order to get to where we need to be collectively to de-naturalize and deport over 120 million people who are only here because of the 1960s immigration reforms. Hashtag true. I mean, what's wrong? I don't know. Maybe he'll explain what's wrong. Yeah, I don't see anything necessarily. He wants to de-naturalize and deport a third of the country, many of whom were born here. People who've been here for two or even three generations. Just see back to the middle of the episode that we just talked about. Yeah. Well, see, there would be deeply immoral if it were even possible. Oh, it did be clear. Actually, on that note, if I was King of America and I was setting immigration policy, so this passage wrapped up in this is to be kind to the stranger. And we get that thrown at us all the time. So that's not talking about the, that's the sojourner. That's not talking about illegal aliens. Yeah. If you're illegal, you're out. So now when it comes to like sojourners, these people who are trying to assimilate, my view is actually very simple. If I was King of America and I was setting the immigration policy, I would say quite simply, all right, if you are not assimilating, you're gone. If you're on welfare and you are sucking off the, if you're leaching off of the American people, sorry, you're not here to contribute. We have no obligation to keep you here at our expense. Exactly. I'm sorry. I would make exceptions for like persecuted Christians, those are the people I would make exceptions for. But beyond that, I'm sorry, you're gone. You are draining our resources. You are disrupting our national identity, our high trust society. You are destroying that. So I would say, and then I would also add like, let's say you are trying to assimilate. You are doing the work. You're not on welfare. If you commit crimes, you're gone. We don't owe you prison time where we, through our tax dollars, keep you here. You're gone. So you would be, I would call it a thin ice policy. So I would say, I'm not saying that no one can assimilate. If you're here trying to do the generational assimilation so that your great grandkids can vote and be a part of full citizen, I'm for it. assimilate into our culture. It's going to take time. You never will. You never will. But your great grandkids could. It's just going to take time. But you're on thin ice until then. We don't owe you anything. Yes. That's where the paradigm needs to shift where every immigrant comes in here, comes to America and says, no, America owes me the world. That's right. And so all the Americans who have been here, their ancestors have built this nation that they have a claim and stake to this nation that this nation is their birthright. Yeah, no, they need to change for me. But no, no, no, you need to change for the host country. Yeah. Who do you think you are? That's right. And they don't apply the standard to any other country except for Western and increasingly now Eastern countries. Yes. Right? In Korea and Japan now. And you're like, actually, I deserve to be here. This is my birthright. You can't tell me otherwise. You guys need to all speak English now. You know what they would say? Colonizer. Okay. But then an immigrant comes here in America and they have the same mentality and demand the same thing. Oh no, it's actually Americans who are racist and bigoted. That person is our strength. That's what it is. Diversity is our strength. That person is adding to the melting pot of America. Yeah. Yeah. And to which even the idea of diversity is our strength, there's a book I got right over there bowling alone by Robert Putnam. He is

excellent. He was a Harvard political scientist. Yeah, political scientist. And he was liberal. But he did the pre-imminent study on social trusts in American life. He called it social capital. So he did this study. I mean, it was decades long. And he found objectively speaking, not only his diversity, not our strength, it is objectively our weakness. Anytime you introduce racial and ethnic diversity into a homogenous society, people vote less, people go out and party less, people do, they are less involved in all of civic life. They like every measure of social capital goes down quickly. And so and he didn't even want to release this stuff. For 10 years, he sat on it, like make checking all his bases. Ultimately, good for him. He released it. But he is a social scientist who could not deny that not only his diversity, not our strength, it is our weakness. So why would you increase that? Exactly. And then by encouraging mass immigration, then yes, we actually lessened diversity in the world because now we just become homogenous blocks and blobs of like, we're not homogenous in our differences, right? Where you have Americans and the have Koreans and then you have the like the Saudis and you have the Indian. That's real diversity. Now you're going to have just people who are all the same. A base gay race, comedy blob where we all like go to the same, eat the same food, speak the same language. Watch the same marvel slot, exactly watch the same slot, have the same cultural slot. And it's just like, I don't want that. And this the reason why so many of our most powerful world leaders like love this is because yes, like de-rassinated people are easy to control. Easy to control. That's key. It's literally that simple. I always like, oh, this person is easy to control that person. He's like, you don't realize that you are being controlled. Like it's so easy to control the average person. And I always has been this average person as an NPC. Not I'm not impugning like, oh, like you're any lesser than people who talk and think about politics and theology. But it's like the average person is an NPC. So they will operate in the way that society sets them up. The other works on them. Yes. And so it's like, yes, if you're de-rassinated and if you're rootless and you become like a rootless global cosmopolitan that can just go anywhere and then be part of any people for any reason. If you choose, yeah, literally nothing roots you anymore. And why do you think families are great for? Yeah, nothing. Yeah, that's right. And this is why like you have the lie. This is also the fundamental lie of, for example, gay people buying babies. Why can't you? Because this is a family. Who are you to tell me this is not a family? Like so family doesn't mean actually blood bloodline ties to your family, natural affections, a lineage. No, that doesn't mean anything anymore. Because you can choose your family. Whoever you decide is going to be your family is your family. That's right. And this is also where you get the single wine mom's who just have like 10,000 cats. Yes. That's their family. These are my children. And then so you go to Korea and you go to parts in America, you have dog strollers everywhere. So instead of having your own children, you're now babying a dog and you're calling this in my baby. No, that's not your baby. That's your dog. That's right. And I love dogs. Dogs are great. Yeah, yeah. I don't eat them. But they are a man's best friend. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. That's good. You got to get out of here. It's time for you to go. I would love to keep doing this. Hey, we'll have you back on. We'll do some more fun stuff. Yes, sir. Guys, this was this was good conversation. I think this is the this is the conversation of our time. If we don't, the recent I've done probably how many episodes on this topic and variations of this topic and I will continue to do them. Give new spins on it like cover the news of the day. It all keeps coming back to this guys because if we don't get this immigration situation fixed, my great grandchildren will not have a country. It will be chaos. There will be bloodshed. There will be a power vacuum. And what I mean by that is right now, when you have a dominant homogenous society that has a cultural that a self understanding who they are, they set the dominant culture, then everyone kind of falls in line. But whenever the people who run that society, the homogenous group becomes less and less homogenous, then there becomes a power vacuum, a cultural power vacuum. Who is the one who sets the standard? Because it has been like a pan European pan Protestant thing America was for a long time. But whenever that starts to go away, someone is going to say, I'm the one, we are the ones who should set standard. We are the ones who should rule here. They will not be as gentle and kind and open to foreigners, to people who are not of that dominant homogenous group as we are historically. That's, I'm just telling you like historically, that's, that's the case. So it is the fight of our time. We've got to get it right. And the only way we're going to ultimately get it right is by repenting and turning to Christ. Like he's the one who's got to set this all like straight because even if we get this right, we don't repent and turn to Christ. He'll pour out judgment in some other way. So we've got to turn to Christ, but we've got to get this issue right. So thank you, Konglin, for coming on. And final thoughts. Yes. This is why it's very important for you to vote. Yes. The reason why is because we can have these conversations, which is good and we can redpill the masses, which is good and we can win in the free market place of ideas, which is good. But none of this gets legitimized unless people through political power, effectuate it in society. Bro, listen to this. I'm so glad you said that. If all evangelicals in the country started voting in local elections, we would change this country within five years. Like like completely changed this country. Not even all, if we got half of evangelicals in America to vote in local elections, to vote for your governors, to vote for your DA to vote for to just like go down the list and actually get involved. We would transform this country, not in a generation in a decade. Okay. So that's what the left did. They did a long march through the institutions. They had a tiny minority. They didn't have 20% of the country. They had like 0.5% of the country who were gay race commies. And they transformed our country by stealing our institutions, subverting them by like actually putting together incredibly effective political organizations vote, not just in the national election, vote, get involved. Like just go go please. Yes. Okay. Great. That's great. You can sound like, oh, just go vote. No, actually do that. Yes. It's important. How many local elections have you voted in? Like this last election cycle, I was like finally like red pill to the point where I was like, oh my gosh, I've been forsaking my civic duties. Yeah. I'm part of the reason our country is decaying because I let all our civic institutions, our political and cultural institutions go and I didn't vote. I'd do anything. That's that by. Yeah. Don't do that, guys. Appreciate you coming on. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The base story, Intel, arch patriot, commonly over here. Awesome having you on. Guys, if you're a real G, put it in the comments. 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