Currently Queer - Ep. 31의 전체 녹취록

So like I was saying, the conservatives found out about this, got on Facebook, there's a massive backlash, causing the school board to change its policies so that students could no longer form any non curricular organization. So they didn't just get rid of Mark: Curricular organization. So they didn't just get rid of the Gay Strait Alliance one, they got rid of just they said, No, you can't do it. So two students and their families took the school board to federal court and they ended up winning, forcing the school board to unanimously vote in a closed session to change the wording and allow secondary school students to form and organize meetings of non-curricular groups. Bernard Links IV: The Gay Strait Alliance one, they got rid of just they said, No, you can't do it. So two students and their families took the school board to federal court and they ended up winning, forcing the school board to unanimously vote in a closed session to change the wording and allow secondary school students to form and organize meetings of noncurricular groups. So the lawsuit, which was reached not by the court determining it, but it was reached by a settlement after they f filed the court. Mark: So the lawsuit, which was reached not by the court determining it, but it was reached by a settlement after they f filed the court. it accused the school board and the superintendent and school board superintendent and the principal of King George Middle School for violating their First Amendment right and the Federal Equal Access Act by blocking the Gay Strait Alliance, but allowing for Bernard Links IV: it accused the school board and the superintendent and a school board superintendent and the principal of King George Middle School for violating their First Amendment right and the Federal Equal Access Act by blocking the Gay Strait Alliance, but allowing for other organizations to continue operating. So even though the school board said nothing, nobody's gonna do anything, they still allowed other organizations that were already established to continue being established. Mark: other organizations to continue operating. So even though the school board said nothing, nobody's gonna do anything, they still allowed other organizations that were already established to continue being established, except for the Gay Strait Alliance. That's homophobic. A little bit, right? So the Federal Equal Access Act, it requires federally funded public secondary schools that permit non-curricular clubs to provide other student groups equal access regardless of their message. Bernard Links IV: Except for the Gay Strait Alliance. a little bit, right? So the Federal Equal Access Act, it requires federally funded public secondary schools that permit noncurricular clubs to provide other student groups equal access regardless of their message. So just because the Conservatives didn't like the gays, doesn't matter. They have to give them the opportunity to have that. Yeah, take that bitches. Motherfuckers. the students who wanted to participate in the GSA must provide proof of written parental Mark: So just because the Conservatives like the gays, doesn't matter. They have to give them the opportunity to have that. Yeah, take that bitches. Motherfuckers. the students who wanted to participate in the GSA must provide proof of written parental permission to form or join. And then they have this membership and permission have to be redone each and every year. Hold on. This requirement applies to all groups. Bernard Links IV: permission to form or join and then they have this membership and permission have to be redone each and every year. Hold on. This requirement applies to all groups as non curricular activities now, not just the Gay Straight Alliance Club. I knew what you were gonna say, that's why I put that in there. Mark: as noncurricular activities now, not just the Gay Strait Alliance. I was gonna say I knew what you were gonna say, that's why I put that in there. I was gonna say like all groups require a permission slip to be a part of. Yes. Well it used to not you could just At least they should have in my school growing up you need a permission slip to be a part of any club. Well in Virginia this now has changed. Bernard Links IV: Yes. Well it used to not. You could just be a part. Well this is well, in Virginia this now has changed. Mark: well there also wasn't a Gay Straight Alliance in my school because, you know So big win for for I think there were I think the original club had like somewhere around maybe Bernard Links IV: Yeah. so big win for for I think there were I think the original club had like somewhere around maybe twenty students in it. which doesn't seem like a lot, but it it is a lot because that that's visibility right there in this small town in Virginia in a conservative area showing that the gay straight alliance, showing that there are people out there who see who who are seen and be seen. I was gonna say the population of King George County is only Mark: twenty students in it. which doesn't seem like a lot, but it it is a lot because that that's visibility right there in this small town, in Virginia in a conservative area showing that the gay straight alliance showing that there are people out there who see who who are seeing and be seeing. I was gonna say the population of King George County is only twenty six thousand seven hundred and twenty three people as of the twenty twenty census. So imagine, you know, the school probably only has it's a middle school. Bernard Links IV: So imagine, you know, the school probably only has it's a middle school, maybe two three grades, maybe two, so maybe fifteen hundred kids. At the mo no, I would say probably less than that. So yeah. But it but it's good. It w it's a good thing. But so big win. Love the win. right now though, since all of this reform and redoing the process. Mark: Maybe two three grades, maybe two. So maybe a fifteen hundred kids. At the mo no, I

would say probably less than that. So Yeah. Yeah. But it's good. It w it's a good thing. But so big win, love the win. right now though, since all of this reform and redoing the process, there hasn't been any news on if it has been like redone, like if people are rejoining the group or not. But Bernard Links IV: There hasn't been any news on if it has been like redone, like if people are rejoining the group or not. But if you are, you have the ability to. So that's a big win. And I love seeing students take schools to court and win. Mark: If you are, you have the ability to, so that's a big win. And I love seeing students take schools to court and win. Does our kids school have a G S A? Bernard Links IV: N not that I'm aware of. Maybe maybe one of our kids will join it 'cause our kids are incredibly god, they're so sweet. They're so kind and progressive. Yeah, I mean Mark: Maybe maybe one of our kids will join it 'cause our kids are incredibly god, they're so sweet, they're so kind and accepting. Yeah. I mean I mean I would hope so if you have two gay dads. But also Bernard Links IV: But also ph I mean Phoenix's friend using pronouns the correct way and Yeah. How kind is that? All right. Okay. Ready, set queer. Mark: Yeah. How kind is that? Slay the house down boots. Alright. Okay. Ready, set. Queer. Another MAGA Republican has a closetocracy claim. Bernard Links IV: yeah, I saw this one. This time it's from, in my opinion, psycho crazy delusional Colorado representative, Lauren Boebert, after she claims, quote, I'm not a lesbian or bisexual following an ethics complaint. Republican Lauren Boebert of Colorado is publicly refuting a complaint filed with the House Committee on Ethics on September seventeenth, which alleged that the Colorado Congresswoman had sexual relationships with three staffers she supervised, including two women. Mark: This time it's from, in my opinion, psycho crazy delusional Colorado representative Lauren Boebert after she claims, quote, I'm not a lesbian or bisexual following an ethics complaint. Republican Lauren Boebert of Colorado is publicly refuting a complaint filed with the House Committee on Ethics on September seventeenth, which alleged that the Colorado Congresswoman had sexual relationships with three staffers she supervised, including two women. And she also paid $200,000 in hush money in an attempt to keep one of the relationships a secret. Congresswoman Lauren Pobert rejects these allegations as utterly false and there's no truth to them whatsoever. This is nothing more than a politically motivated stunt designed to manipulate the ethics process, create headlines, and smear her and generate clickbait, according to her representative. It's funny that a representative has a representative. Bernard Links IV: Yeah. I want that job 'cause w really you're not doing shit. Obreed is a far right politician with an extensive anti LGBTQ plus track record and also den or also denies the affair in a separate statement suggesting that she is strictly heterosexual. How dare we c come for her in that? She was coming for her. Well, I'm not a lesbian or bisexual and I never have ever in any inappropriate relationship, nor have I ever been sexually involved with any of my staff. Mark: Really? You're not doing shit. Boot is a far right politician with an extensive anti LGBTQ plus track record and also den or also denies the affair in a separate statement suggesting that she is strictly heterosexual. How dare we even c come for her in that? She states Well, I'm not a lesbian or bisexual, and I never have ever in any inappropriate relationship, nor have I ever been sexually involved with any of my staff. Okay, so this sounds like a lot of internalized home. Bernard Links IV: Okay, so this sounds like a lot of internalized homophobia. Mark: Correct. It's okay. It's okay. We that's a very intense retort. So that's a big word. What? Retort? so my apologies. the sworn ethics complaint filed by David Wheeler of the political action committee America Muckrackers and identified three current and former staffers, claimed that Boebert had relationships with former Bernard Links IV: It's okay. It's okay. We that's a very intense retort. So that's a big word. What? Retort. so my apologies. the sworn ethics complaint filed by David Wheeler of the political action committee America Muckrackers and identified three current and former staffers, claimed that Bobert had relationships with former Mark: district director Clarice Navarro Razcliffe, District Chief of Staff Raven Finnegan, and former Chief of Staff Jeffrey Small. The complaint claims that the six figure hush money payment was issued to Navarro to dis incentivize her from filing an ethics complaint of which, quote, the source of the funds is presently unknown. Okay. Sounds to me like Bernard Links IV: The complaint claims that the six figure hush money payment was issued to Navarro to dis incentivize her from filing an ethics complaint of which, quote, the source of the funds is presently unknown. Okay. Sounds to me like We paid for sexually hush money like that money is Mark: In my opinion, it could be potentially some like quid pro quo. No, I'm just thinking like that money is probably coming from like election funds that are not used in the correct intent. There would be no fraud. I don't believe that. Not from Lauren Boebert. Bernard Links IV: yeah. There would be no fraud. I don't believe that. Not from Loki Bobert. Not from Bobby. Bob's represented Mark: Boebert's representative attacked Wheeler, calling him an activist who has long recycled sensational claims, including numerous baseline accusations previously fact checked as false. One source, Wheeler wrote, claims that Boebert and Navarro had a threesome with former US Representative Matt Gates. And we all know about the history about Matt Gates and his history with sexual exploitation. Correct. Bernard Links IV: Who has long recycled sensational claims, including

numerous baseline accusations previously fact-checked as false. One source, Wheeler, wrote, claims that Fobert and Navarro had a threesome with former US Representative Matt Gates. And we all know about the history about Matt Gates. Yeah. His history correct. Mark: Matt Gates himself denied the allegations on Bernard Links IV: Matt Gates himself denied the allegations on that. Mark: Twitter, writing, quote, I am requesting that anybody with video of me in this alleged quote threesome release the evidence immediately, unedited, please. I know, right? he wants to know why. So Navarro, who's the one that was accused of getting the hush money, worked for Bobert from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty five. She denied the substance of the complaint to the recorder, writing, quote Bernard Links IV: That anybody with video of me and this alleged quote Theresa released the evidence immediately unedited. Kinky. I know. He wants to watch. So Navarro, who's the one that was accused of getting the hush money, right? Worked for Bobert from 2021 to 2025. She denied the substance of the complaint to the recorder writing Mark: These allegations regarding me are entirely false, defamatory, and beyond ridiculous. This is absolutely no truth, or there is absolutely no truth to any part of this claim. Bernard Links IV: These allegations regarding me are entirely false, defamatory, and beyond ridiculous. This is absolutely no truth or there is absolutely no truth to any part of this claim. Mark: Here's the T. Navarro's ex-husband, Jace Raslav, appeared to suggest he believed the relationship took place when contacted by the American muckrackers, reportedly saying, quote, I assume this would eventually surface. Bernard Links IV: Here's the T. Okay. Navarro's ex-husband, Jace Raslav, appeared to suggest he believed the relationship took place when contacted by the American Mukrackers, reportedly saying, quote, I assume this would eventually surface. I'll Mark: I'll have no further comment on this topic. Bernard Links IV: have no further comment on this topic. Okay, so first off, I want to talk about the defamation thing, because right now what we see is let's take Ken Paxton. Mark: Okay, so first off, I want to talk about the defamation thing. Because right now what we see is let's take Ken Paxton. Okay. Did you see his most recent attack on Alyssa Edwards? No. So he's coming after Alyssa Edwards online because James Telarico says that Alyssa Edwards is his favorite drag queen. Rightfully so. Queen. I mean, I can't tongue pop, but if I could insert tongue pop. so Ken Paxton is out here Bernard Links IV: Did you see his most recent attack on Alyssa Edwards? No. So he's coming after Alyssa Edwards online 'cause James Telarico said that Alyssa Edwards is his favorite drag queen. queen. I mean, I can't tongue pop, but if I could insert tongue pop. so Ken Paxton is out here pushing this rhetoric against Alyssa Edwards and attacking Alyssa Edwards, saying they're a child groomer, and they're, you know, they're all these things, all these negative things. Mark: pushing this rhetoric against Alyssa Edwards and attacking Alyssa Edwards, saying they're a child groomer and they're you know, they're all these things, all these negative things. That's defamation. That is defamation. But going out and calling somebody bisexual and just be like, Well, they're bisexual, they a claim, that's not defamation. That's like when we grew up calling somebody gay. Well, they're saying it's defamation that they accused Bernard Links IV: That is defamation. But going out and calling somebody bisexual and just being like, Well, they're bisexual. They had a claim, that's not defamation. That's like when we grew up calling somebody gay. Well, they're saying Is it correct? No, I Mark: them of having a a relationship that didn't happen to defame their character. Bernard Links IV: She's out there jerking some guy off in Beetlejuice. I was getting there. Sorry. Your character has been defamed by literal video evidence. Well yeah, but over a previous one. Mark: She's out there jerking some guy off in Beetlejuice. I was getting there. Your character has been defamed by literal video evidence. Well yeah, but over previously went viral for her fondling of her companion's genitals during a showing of the family friendly Beetlejuice the musical. Bernard Links IV: Family friendly Beetlejuice the musical. There we go. Anyway, there's all kinds of speculation. We're twirling around on the internet, but there are some really funny responses, and I wanted to share a couple of my responses from the internet. Alright. this person wrote, Turns out Lauren Boebert was the one eating cats the whole time. In reference to the eating cats. Yeah. They're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats. this person writes, Cash Patel is fucking the dog. Mark: Anyway, there's all kinds of speculation we're twirling around on the internet, but there are some really funny responses and I wanted to share a couple of my favorites from the internet. this person wrote, Turns out Lauren Boebert was the one eating cats the whole time. In reference to they're eating the cats, they're eating the whatever that this person writes, Cash Patel is fucking the dogs. Lauren Boebert is eating the cats. my god. Bernard Links IV: Lauren Boebert is eating the cats. my god. The internet's so funny. This one states Lauren Boebert went from carpet bagger to carpet muncher. Mark: This one states Lauren Boebert went from carpet bagger to carpet muncher. a joke about her statement says, quote, my team of attorneys has assured me that I'm not bisexual. And then this one says, I don't care that Lauren Lauren Boebert has Taco Tuesday a few extra times a week, but I do care that she's a hypocrite, which like exactly. Bernard Links IV: My joke about her statement says, quote, my team of attorneys has assured me that I'm not bisexual And then this one says, I don't care that Lauren Lauren Bobert has

Taco Tuesday a few extra times a week, but I do care that she's a hypocrite, which like Yeah exactly. That I mean the closetocracy. So I don't know whether or not that actually goes before the ethics complaint in some kind of formal hearing or anything. We'll see what happens with that. But according to Lauren Bobert, she is not a lesbian. Mark: So I don't know whether or not that actually goes before the ethics complaint in some kind of formal hearing or anything. We'll see what happens with that. But according to Lauren Bobert, she is not a lesbian and she is not bisexual. But according to the complaint, the girl who one of them who got the hush money, her husband is qu her ex husband, who I wonder whether ex husband, said that they're quote, not surprised. So, you know. Well, I guess we shall see. We'll follow up with that. And also, Lauren, like Bernard Links IV: She's not bisexual. But according to the complaint, the girl who was one of them who got the hush money, her husband is her ex-husband, who I wonder why their ex-husband, said that they're quote, not surprised. So, you know. Well, I guess we shall see. We'll follow up with that. And also, Lauren, like, if you want to munch on some pussy, like, girl, it's okay. Yeah, everyone's a little queer. Everyone's a little queer, and clearly the closetocracy is alive and strong, and if you're part of that. Mark: If you want to munch on some pussy, like girl, it's okay. Yeah, everyone's a little queer. Everyone's a little queer and clearly the closetocracy is alive and strong and if you're part of that, like come on out. Is there a lesbian? Bernard Links IV: Is there a lesbian version of Grinder, I wonder? Mark: I mean I'm sure there's something. Because I wonder if that goes anyways, we'll have to look at that. Anyways, yeah. But we'll follow up with that. I'm sure something else will come out. I mean, I just want her to be Bernard Links IV: Because I wonder if that goes anyways, we'll have to look at that. Anyways, yeah. Fo we'll follow up with that. I'm sure something else will come out. I mean, I just want her to be Mark: living her true authentic self. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. And if that means you're maybe a little bisexual girl, we're recording today on National Bisexual Bisexual Visibility Day. Embrace your bisexualness, Lauren Boebert. Bernard Links IV: Yeah. Yeah. I love it. And if that means you're maybe a little bisexual girl. Be bisexual. Embrace your bisexualness, Lauren Bobert. Yeah. Enjoy that. So just saying. Also, Mark: So just saying. Also Bernard Links IV: I love that it's bisexual visibility day, but it's also G Flip's birthday. Yeah, it's a very gay day. It's a very queer day today. Wow, gee. Mark: So G Flip's birthday. Yeah, today's G Flip's birthday. Wow, G! Bernard Links IV: Very queer day. All right. Well, let's follow up with we've been following it ever since April. Every now and then every couple of weeks, something comes out about the Hungarian government. And so in the latest move, Prime Minister Peter Magar, who we have said he ousted old Prime Minister and Conservative backed Victor Orban back in April. Victor Victor Orban had a ton of anti-queer policies that they passed during his reign as dipshit in Hungary. Mark: Let's follow up with we've been following it ever since April. Every now and then every couple of weeks something comes out about the Hungarian government. And so in the latest move, Prime Minister Peter Magar, who we have said he ousted old Prime Minister and Conservative backed Victor Orbin back in April. Boo Orbin. Victor Orbin had a ton of antiqueer policies that they passed during his reign as dick shit in Hungary. Bernard Links IV: They're getting rid of a lot of those sags. There's still a lot to happen, and a lot to come, but it's just funny how like when you say like rain is dipshit, in my mind I'm like thinking of like when RuPaul crowns somebody and it's like their reign as like queen of this year's drag race or like when, you know, you win drag race Canada and it's like your reign as queen of That's pretty much what it is. But like it just goes to show like Mark: They're getting rid of a lot of those sags. There's still a lot to happen. I want to come, but but I just think it's funny how like when you say like rain is dipshit, and my mind I'm like thinking of like when RuPaul crowns somebody and it's like their reign as like queen of you know, this year's drag race or like when, you know, you win Drag Race Canada and it's like your reign as queen of the north. But like it just goes to show like Bernard Links IV: the gay Mark: The gay version of Rain versus anyway. Bernard Links IV: Of rain. Yeah. so pi Prime Minister Peter Magart Mark: Pi Prime Minister Peter Magar. Bernard Links IV: is attempting to bring Hungary back into modern times, and they're back in the news again with another LGBTQIA law change. so Washington Blade reports that the Hungarian government will amend a law that banned same sex couples from adopting children. Big move there, allowing for same sex couples to start their family in a way that they can do that. Mark: modern times and they're back in the news again with another LGBTQIA law change. so Washington Blade reports that the Hungarian government will amend a law that banned same sex couples from adopting children. Big move there. Mm-hmm. For same sex couples to start their family in a way that they can do that. which is wonderful 'cause there's so many children like the adoption across the world, there's so many people who want kids, want families, like queer couples, but they can't be Bernard Links IV: Which is wonderful because there's so many children like the adoption across the world. There's so many people who want kids, want families, like queer couples, but they can't be because they're queer. And that's just like, what the fuck? f**k? so speaking on Saturday in Budapest, Prime Minister Magar announced the plans to amend the law. what we're gonna

what this is all gonna look like, they haven't described yet. They don't have all the details of exactly what it's gonna be, but it's another step in Hungary to overturning decades of anti-queer legislation. Mark: are queer and that's just like what the fuck? so speaking on Saturday in Budapest, Prime Minister Magar announced the plans to amend the law. what we're gonna what this is all gonna look like, they haven't described yet. They don't have all the details of exactly what it's gonna be, but it's another step in Hungary to overturning decades of anti-queer legislation, such as the ban on Pride events, which we reported back during Pride that they had this massive Pride event. Millions showed up too, which I thought was wonderful. Bernard Links IV: Such as the ban on Pride events, which we reported back during Pride that they had this massive Pride event millions showed up too, which I thought was wonderful. as of right now, in when asked, there still was no word though for Peter Magar's government in Hungary to legalize same sex marriage. But allowing for the adoption of children, it's a huge step towards equality and also a huge step for allowing queer people and same sex couples to have families. So I would assume that this is in the works somehow. Mark: As of right now it when asked there still was no word though for Peter Magar's government in Hungary to legalize same sex marriage. But allowing for the adoption of children, it's a huge step towards equality and also a huge step for allowing queer people and same sex couples to have families. So I would assume that this is in the works somehow. Yeah. I mean it's it's gotta be the stepping stone and we gotta be getting there. And there's a lot of like Bernard Links IV: You can't I mean it's it's gotta be the stepping stone and we gotta be getting there. And there's a lot of like public support for what is happening and and all these like reversals and everything. I mean, it also helps that the European High Court has threatened to continue withholding funds from them and not giving them funds. So they are making progress. So we're happy to see Peter Magar, Prime Minister Magar actually doing what he said he was gonna do again. Mark: public support for what is happening and and all these like reversals and everything. I mean it also helps that the European High Court has threatened to continue withholding funds from them and not so they are making progress. So we're happy to see Peter Magar Prime Minister Magar actually doing what he said he was gonna do. Again, the Bernard Links IV: The the marriage thing w inequality we're still up for Mark: the marriage thing w inequality we're still up for Bernard Links IV: I wouldn't say debate 'cause it's not even been talked about yet, so we'll kinda see where that comes. Great news out of of Hungary. for same sex couples. Maybe if you wanted to go to Turkey, you go to Hungary instead. Yeah, there you go. Referencing last week's episode. Still don't

go to Turkey. Mark: I wouldn't say debate 'cause it's not even been talked about yet, kinda see where that comes from. Yeah. Great news out of of Hungary. for example. Maybe if you wanted to go to Turkey, you go to Hungary instead. There you go. Referencing last week's episode, don't go to Turkey. Still don't go to Turkey. Still don't do it. Still a ton more arrests and everything happening this last week. It's it's getting worse. Don't go to Turkey. Okay, so we're gonna bring things a little bit close to home for us. Bernard Links IV: Okay, so we're gonna bring things a little bit close to home for us. this my heart? Is it my heart? Yeah. You said close to home, so I was like, my heart. I was like, are we having a heart attack? No. No. Okay. We're bringing things close to home here. We're gonna talk about a local situation for Hubbard and I. Local Kansas City news for the queer community. So Mark: I was like, are we having a heart attack? What's going on? Okay, we're bringing things close to home here. We're gonna talk about a local situation for Hubend and I. Local Kansas City news for the queer community. So, as far as I know, this is the first of its kind, especially in the Midwest. But this past weekend, Kansas City hosted the first that I again know of sapphic Bernard Links IV: As far as I know, this is the first of its kind, especially in the Midwest, but this past weekend Kansas City hosted the first that I again know of, SaphicCon, Mark: Which brings a new kind of queer community festival to Kansas City. So, this all started when Tiffany Watts began looking for community after coming to Kansas City, Bernard Links IV: which brings a new kind of queer community festival to Kansas City. yes, okay so this all started when Tiffany Watts began looking for community after coming to Kansas City Mark: coming to Kansas City's queer scene in her late twenties and early thirties. She found nightlife, which we can attest. Kansas City has a good queer nightlife. what she found harder time finding were spaces centered on sapphic people. Bernard Links IV: what she found harder time finding were spaces centered on Sapphic people where she could build relationships, exchange ideas, and learn from others. Which I work. I get that, girl. So the experience eventually became the foundation for Sapphic Con, a new three-day festival that debuted this past September 18th through 20th across venue at different venues across Kansas City. The inaugural event brings together ballroom, film, drag, cabaret Mark: Where she could build relationships, exchange ideas, and learn from others. Which work. I get that, girl. So the experience eventually became the foundation for Sapfic Con, a new three-day festival that debuted this past September 18th through 20th across venue at different venues across Kansas City. The inaugural event brings together ballroom, film, drag, cabaret, Bernard Links IV: array, wellness activities, panel discussions, Mark: wellness activities, panel discussions. Bernard Links IV: visual and performing arts, and nightlife all under one umbrella. That's crazy. That's like a whole event. Right. That's awesome. So Watts, the Sapphic Con founder and executive producer describes Sapphic because a lot of people like I myself didn't fully understand what it is. Yeah. Mark: Visual and performing arts and nightlife all under one umbrella. That's crazy. That's like a whole event. Right? That's awesome. So Watts, the Sophic Cons founder and executive producer, describes SAFOC, because a lot of people like I myself didn't fully understand what it is. describes Sapic as an umbrella term encompassing queer women and non-binary people, including lesbian, bisexual, and pansexual, trans women and gender nonconforming people. Bernard Links IV: describes Sapic as an umbrella term encompassing queer women and non binary people, including lesbian, bisexual, and pansexual, trans women and gender nonconforming people who identify within the culture. I love that. Did you know that? I only did because I had to also look up the definition. Yes. Yeah. Mark: Who identify within the culture. I love that. Did you know that? I only did because I had to also look it up. Yeah. Okay. Well, see, we're educating our queer community. I love that. So the weekend's theme this year was the first taste referencing both the inaugural festival and organizers' invitation for attendees to experience something new. I love it. How cool. I wish I would have known, I would have gone. Well, technically, I don't know if you fit I mean Bernard Links IV: See, we're educating our queer community. And I'm also being educated. I love that. So the weekend's theme this year was the first taste referencing both the inaugural festival and organizers' invitation for attendees to experience something new. I love it. How cool. I wish I would have known, I would have gone. Well technically I don't know if you fit. I mean But I mean they're not gonna turn you away. I'm gonna just go just to make friends. Yeah. Which is encouraged. So Mark: But I mean they're not gonna turn you away. Just go just to make friends. Which is encouraged. So the three day festival or what is this called? Community yeah, festival. Yeah, yeah. So the weekend's theme, like I said, was the first taste. Friday. The beginning of it began with a meet and greet at the outsiders social club before Rewind, a Nighty Sapphic Ball produced in partnership with Moon Brown. Bernard Links IV: Three day festival or what is this called? Community yeah festival. Let's call it festival. Yeah, so. the weekend's theme, like I said, was the first taste. Friday, the beginning of it, began with a meet and greet at the outsider social club before Rewind, a Nighty Saphic Ball produced in partnership with Moon Brown, overall mother of the house of Moulin Noir. Mark: overall mother of the house of Moulin Noir. next on Saturday included a conference programming in Original Sin, a Sapphic cabaret show

and dance party produced with lip service at Woody's Bar. The conference discussed discussions included addressing creative and personal development, family planning and questions surrounding who was responsible for archiving Sapphic history. Some little things that they talked about at their Bernard Links IV: Next on Saturday included a conference programming, an original sin, a sapphic cabaret show and dance party produced with lip service at Woody's Bar. nice. The conference discussed discussions included addressing creative and personal development, family planning, and questions surrounding who was responsible for archiving sapphic history. Some little things that they talked about at their conference portion. And then on Sunday they had a yoga. Mark: conference portion. And then on Sunday they had yoga. Bernard Links IV: That's very lovely. A film festival and an afternoon creative festival at Rock Island Bridge. Mark: Very lesbian. A film festival and an afternoon creative festival at Rock Island Bridge. I wanna go there. before a late night closing party. So they really did it all weekend long. Bernard Links IV: before a late night closing party. So they really did it all weekend long. That's awesome organizers have also built smaller activities into the weekend, including they bid a guided nature walk designed to encourage people to interact with someone they didn't arrive with, which like Mark: Organizers have also built smaller activities into the weekend, including they bid a guided nature walk designed to encourage people to interact with someone they didn't arrive with, which like so many people are like, nature walk, but it is like as a nature walk, when you're with somebody who you didn't come with, like you're not just gonna walk and be silent. Like it's going to encourage conversation and friendship building and especially within your own community, like that's really awesome. Bernard Links IV: So many people are like, nature walk, but it is like as a nature walk, when you're with somebody who you didn't come with, like yeah you're just gonna walk and be silent. Like it's going to encourage yeah conversation and friendship building and especially within your own community, like that's really awesome. Yeah. Watts said that attendees should be able to participate whether they're seeking artists or professional collaborators, friendships, or relationships. I love it. the combination of drag, poetry, ballroom, comedy, and other performance forms provides a opportunity for people Mark: Watts said that attendees should be able to participate whether they're seeking artists or professional collaborators, friendships, or relationships. the combination of drag, poetry, ballroom, comedy, and other performance forms provides a opportunity for people outside the community to also encounter Saviculture through its artists. See? We could have gone. Yeah. We're going next year. Bernard Links IV: Outside the community to also encounter Sapha culture through its artists. See? We could have gone. I yeah. We're going next year. Yeah, put it on the calendar. Watts states it shows our art and it shows who we are as a community, from drag to poetry and all of it. It's an art and allows us to show our allies, even the people that's not our allies, who we are and share this with everybody. Watts wants SapphoCon to put filmmakers, artists, entrepreneurs, and other creators. Mark: Watts states, it shows our art and it shows who we are as a community from drag to poetry and all of it. It's an art and allows us to show our allies, even the people that's not our allies, who we are and share this with everybody. Watts wants SapphiCon to put filmmakers, artists, entrepreneurs, and other creators in contact with one another, the goal for those encounters to lead to collaborations and long-term support networks. Watts at the festival is interested not only in visibility, but in what people can build together and sustain after the weekend ends. They go into state, it feels safe to be around people who look like you and feel like you and caters to you. And that's why it's important, because it's like I feel like I belong. I feel safe where I belong. This was the first year that is intended to become an annual tradition. Bernard Links IV: I feel safe where I belong. This was the first year that is intended to become an annual tradition. Watts' longer term goal is to bring more Sapphet community members into the planning process rather than remain the sole defining person, defining what Sapphet con should become. So I thought that was really cool. Local Kansas City, Sappheton, like and it looks and it sounds like they're concept. Right. And it sounds like they are looking for people to help out for next year and planning the whole weekend of it. Yeah. Mark: Watts' longer term goal is to bring more Safic community members into the planning process rather than remain the soul defining person defining what SaficCon should become. So I thought that was really cool. Local Kansas City, SaphetCon, like what a c incredible concept. Right. And it sounds like they are looking for people to help out for next year. And like they made a whole weekend of it. Yeah. I think that's amazing. How fucking cool. I love it. I'm stoked. yeah. Bernard Links IV: I think that's amazing. I love it. I'm stoked. yeah. Next year. Mark: I I saw I think I think they were at what's the pirate bar? down down in the crossroads. Yeah. I think they had an event there. Yeah, the ship. I think there was something at the ship. I could be wrong, but there was something I saw of people posting about SaphatCon, which is how I found it, is someone through our social medias shared something on their stories and I like, That looks like a bunch of lesbians. And then I learned to find out, like, my god, there's like a whole event happening and I kinda feel bad that we didn't get to know about it beforehand because Bernard Links IV: down down in the

crossroads? Yeah. the ship. Yeah, I think it's called the ship. I think there was something at the ship. I could be wrong, but there was something I saw of people posting about SciFacon, which is how I found it is someone through our social medias shared something on their stories and I like, That looks like a bunch of lesbians. And I learned to find out, my god, there's like a whole thing happening and I kinda feel bad that we didn't get to know about it beforehand. It was a per it was purposeful lesbians. I mean I would have gone there and made it rain everyone's little queer sticker. Mark: I mean, I would have gone there and made it rain everyone's little queer stickers. but it it was really cool. I I've never heard of such an event before. And I thought it was really awesome too that it happened like here in Kansas City. Kansas City has Kansas City truly does queer like events pretty well. I mean, yeah, for those not in Kansas City listening to the podcast or watching like around Bernard Links IV: yeah. But it it was really cool. I I've never heard of such an event before. No. And I thought it was really awesome too that it happened like here in Kansas City. Kansas City has Kansas City truly does queer like events pretty well. I mean, yeah, for those not in Kansas City listening to the podcast or watching like around Mark: the world, hopefully. like if you don't know, like Kansas City is a very queer friendly space. Bernard Links IV: If you don't know, like Kansas City is a very queer friendly space. Yeah. We've got plenty of queer bars and or if they're not queer bars, queer restaurants or there's a lot of Mark: We've got plenty of queer bars and or if they're not queer bars, there's restaurants or venues that maybe not full time cater to queer, but they have queer events and queer focus. Like there's some bars that do brunches that like it's not known for like it's not like hamburger Marys, which does do a drag brunch. But there's other bars and restaurants that do drag brunches, not even just downtown and some of the suburbs to encourage support for the queer community. There was Bernard Links IV: maybe not full time cater to queer, but they have queer events and queer focus. Like there's some bars that do brunches that like it's not known for like it's not like Hamburg and Marys, which does do a drag brunch. Yeah. But there's other bars and restaurants that do drag brunches, not even just downtown and some of the suburbs to encourage yeah. Support for the queer community. There was yeah, guy that I work with, his girlfriend took him to a drag brunch at least summit. Yeah. And he goes and Lux hosts that sometimes He came he came back to work and he I walked Mark: Yeah, guy that I work with, his girlfriend took him to a drag brunch at least summit. Yeah. And he goes Lana Lux hosts that sometimes. He came he came back to work and I walked past by him in the hallway and he takes his phone and he goes, Do you know this drag queen? And it was Lana Lux. Yeah, I forget the restaurant. I said I talked to her all the time. And he goes, She is amazing. Lana Lux Absolutely. Bernard Links IV: passed by him in the hallway and he takes his phone, he goes, Do you know this drag queen? And it was Lana Lux. And I said, I love Lana. I said I talk to her all the time. And he goes, She is amazing. And I was like, Yeah, absolutely. Mark: Former guest of the pod. Bernard Links IV: Yeah. Mark: but yeah, no, Kansas City has an incredible queer community. Bernard Links IV: Yes. And I do feel very honored and it is nice 'cause I it it's a responsibility on our end to represent that community publicly. And it's fun to be able to share with you guys like a local event such as that that is in my opinion groundbreaking. Well and look at represents who Kansas City's LGBTQI plus queer community is and and the growth we have. Well and look at stuff like when hard candy brings drag queens into Kansas City, right? Like just this last week Mark: And I do feel very honored and it is nice 'cause it it's a responsibility on our end to represent that community publicly. And it's fun to be able to share with you guys like a local event such as that that is in my opinion groundbreaking and and really represents who Kansas City's LGBTQI plus queer community is and th and the growth that we have. Well look at stuff like when Hard Candy brings drag queens into Kansas City. Yeah. Like just this last week, Bernard Links IV: we went with, you know, our girlfriends and we went and saw Crystal Method. You know, season All Stars Eleven winner, Crystal Method. We saw Joey J a couple weeks ago. But every single time I always tell Mark, every single time we go, it's like I see different queer people. I mean, we see some of the same, right? We've seen a lot of the same, but I always see a new queer person that I haven't seen out at these events and Mark: We went with, you know, we're girlfriends and we went and saw Crystal Method You know, season all stars eleven. Winner. Crystal Method. We saw Joey J a couple weeks ago. And but every single time I always tell Mark, every single time we go, it's like I see different queer people. I mean, we see a some of the same, right? We've seen a lot of the same, but I always see a new queer person that I haven't seen out at these events. And well speaking of that, like on our TikTok This one girl commented this morning was like, my god, were we in line together for Crystal Method? And I was like, We were there. So like you know, like Yeah, girl, we we were. That was us. And she stumbled Bernard Links IV: like, my god, were we in line together for Crystal Method? And I was like, We were there, so like really? We probably were girl. Mark: upon our TikTok. But you know, another thing that I love about like those hard candy events, shout out to you, Daniel, for harm from Hard Candy and your events that you do is they bring in these larger queens. So like Crystal Method, who's in a way local. She's

from Springfield, Missouri. She had a big following here before Drag Race. Bernard Links IV: events, shout out to you Daniel for her from her events that you do is they bring in these larger queens, so like Crystal Method, who's in a way local. She's from Springfield, Missouri. She had a big following here before Drag Race. Yes. But then you Joey J and some of these really larger drag queens from all of the fame that they've gotten from Rapha's Drag Race, whether nationally or internationally, but the event isn't solely just them. I mean they do two numbers, but then there's also plenty of numbers from local queens. Yes. You're supporting Mark: But then, you know, Joey J and some of these really larger drag queens from all of the fame that they've gotten from Ripost Drag Race, whether nationally or internationally. But the event isn't solely just them. I mean they do two numbers, but then there's also plenty of numbers from local queens. So you're you're supporting these larger queens, but then that audience is also there to support and also, you know, help out local queens and really promote our local queer artists and our local drag queens and tip your queens and it's Bernard Links IV: These larger queens, but then that audience is also there to support and also, you know, help out local queens and really promote our local queer artists and our local drag queens and tiptoe queens and It's been it's an absolute beautiful thing. If you get the chance, I think the next one coming in from Heart Candy is the one and only Raven. We will be there. And we're gonna be there. So girl TikTok girl, if you're there, we're there. But it's like one of those things though that it's gonna bring in so many people and it brings in so much money and it also just Mark: Absolute beautiful thing. If you get the chance, I think the next one coming in from Heart Candy is the one and only Raven. We will be there. And we're gonna be there, so girl, TikTok girl, if you're there, we're there. But it's like one of those things though that it's gonna bring in so many people and it brings in so much money and it also just experience like it brings that experience of national drag to Kansas City and people keep wanting to come to Kansas City. I think what Daniel was saying, Raven's like only coming to Kansas City. Bernard Links IV: experience like it brings that experience of national drag to Kansas City and people keep wanting to come to Kansas City. I think what Daniel was saying, Ravens like only coming to Kansas City. Mark: Yeah, scheduling something. But Raven's only coming to Kansas City. Like one or two shows and Kansas City happened to be one of them. Like Morphe and Love Dion was just announced. But also if you're Bernard Links IV: Yeah scheduling something scheduling there's like one like they're doing like one or two shows and Kansas City happen to be one of them. Like Morgan Love Dion was just announced. But also Mark: in the Midwest and you want to see drag and you're by like somewhat of a larger city, like that's hard candies promotions and their events that they do are very Midwest focused. Usually they start in Kansas City. They this past year started going from Kansas City to St. Louis and then there's other cities Indianapolis, Columbus, Ohio, Bernard Links IV: you want to see drag and you're by like somewhat of a larger city. Like that's hard can do's promotions and events that they do are very Midwest focused. Usually they start in Kansas City. They this past year sort of going from Kansas City to St. Louis and then there's other cities, Indianapolis, Columbus, Ohio, all throughout the Midwest. I don't remember all the specific cities that they go to, but they do have a fairly good routine where they get one artist or drag performer. Mark: all throughout the Midwest, I don't remember all the specific cities that they go to, but they do have a fairly good routine where they get one artist or drag performer and then they kinda do block booking with it. So they book with them. Block booking is when you like pick an artist and you block with them so they go from one place to another and it all sticks together into like a mini tour. Don't ask me how I know that. But College did it. Anyway. I love it. Well I love it. I love just the inclusivity of it and and it's been Bernard Links IV: And then they kinda do block booking with it. Yeah. They book with them. Block booking is when you like pick an artist and you block with them so they go from one place to another and it all sticks together into like a knee tour. Don't ask me how I know that. But Yeah. College did Anyway. But I love it. Well, I love it. I love just the inclusivity of it and it's been it's been great. And we can't wait. We're gonna have to follow that, so the next time that it comes out we can be ready for that. For Saficon Saficcon. If they have socials and stuff, I'll link Mark: It's been great. And we can't wait. We're gonna have to follow that. So the next time that act comes out, we can be ready for that. Yeah, Saficon. If they have socials and stuff, I'll link them all in our show notes. because it's cool. And also, like, if you're in the Midwest, next year we'll we'll get the dates and we'll promote it. Come out of town. It's a great excuse to come to Kansas City, experience SapphiCon, meet some friends, community members, and also like check out the Kansas City L T B T Q I plus Queer Night Life, 'cause it's pretty lit. Yeah, we have a good time. Okay. I'm kind of gonna Bernard Links IV: Yeah. Because it's cool. And also like if you're in the Midwest next year we'll we'll get the dates and we'll promote it. Come to town. It's a great excuse to come to Kansas City experience Sat the Con, meet some friends, community members, and also like check out the Kansas City L T B T Q I plus Queen Night Live because it's pretty lit. Yeah, we have a good time. Okay. kind of gonna one eighty from you a little bit here. Mark: View a little bit

here. Uh-oh. So this last one that I have is brought to us from Dr. Lucas Hall. He's in Florida, and I had the pleasure of sitting down with him and we did an interview on Everyone's a Little Queer. Future guests on the pod. He's gonna be a future guest on the pod. And he's a therapist and social worker. And after we got done talking, we had a lot, like we mind-melded a lot during that, and we had a lot of the same views. And afterwards, he ended up texting me this article, and he said, This is the kind of shit that Bernard Links IV: So this last one that I have is brought to us from Dr. Lucas Hall. He's in Florida and I had the pleasure of sitting down with him and we did an interview on Everyone's a Little Queer for an episode. He's gonna be a future guest on the pod. And he's a therapist and social worker. And after we got done talking, we had a lot, like we mind melded a lot during that, and we had a lot of the same views. And afterwards he ended up texting me this article and he said, This is the kind of shit that, you know, upsets him. And I started reading to it and I was like, you know what? Mark: you know, upsets him and I started reading to it and I like, you know what? Bernard Links IV: Here we go. This is this is one of the things that's gonna piss me off. And so I said if you know, I'm gonna talk about this on on this week's episode. It's the harm that is done n to the community, the queer community, not just from the outside, but harm that can be done from queer people against the LGBTQIA plus community. And so Mark: Here we go. This is this is one of the things that's gonna piss me off and so I said if you know, I'm gonna talk about this on on this week's episode, it's the harm that is done to the community, the queer community, not just from the outside, but harm that can be done from queer people against the LGBTQIA plus community. And so You mean like when members like Lauren Bobert who are undercover queer community members and then bash us ourselves or other closetocracy members? Bernard Links IV: members and then bash us ourselves. Or or people who are Mark: out themselves, married to a man or whatever, kinda do bash the community. Bernard Links IV: out themselves, married to a man or whatever, kinda do bash the community. Mark: Like MAGA for Trump or like queers for MAGA or whatever gays for MAGA, like Bernard Links IV: So something like that, yeah. Mark: that whole concept is something I'll never understand, and I'm sure Dr. Lucas Hall gets that shit. A hundred percent. so while recording an episode on the Speak On It podcast with host Candy Burris, this comedian, Matt Matthews, lost his fucking shit. Bernard Links IV: A hundred percent. so while recording an episode on the Speak on It podcast with host Candy Burris, this comedian, Matt Matthews, lost his fucking shit. I saw this. Okay. So Candy Burris on the on the episode, they she used the them pronoun when referencing comedian Matt Ba Matthew Matthews or Matt Matthews'

husband, and he goes on this fucking rant. Mark: I saw this. Okay. Yeah, I saw this. On the on the episode they she used the them pronoun when referencing comedian Matt Ba Matthew Matthews or Matt Matthews' husband and he goes on this fucking rant. So she s asked him, she goes, About you this is a quote, about you and your boo, when did you meet them? And Matt goes into doesn't answer the question, he goes, Them? I only got one. Bernard Links IV: So she s asks him, she goes, about you. This is a quote, about you and your boo. When did you meet them? And Matt goes into doesn't answer the question. He goes, them? I only got one. Candy even attempts to say, Well, I need to know pronouns before we start, like trying to just like diffuse that and move on with it, kind of thing. She's trying to be respectful. She's trying to be respectful, and then she's also trying to just like, okay, let's move on to it. And Matthew goes on to say, and this is all a quote by him. Mark: Candy even attempts to say, Well, I need to know pronouns before we start. Like trying to just like diffuse that and move on with it, kind of thing. She's trying to be respectful. She's trying to be respectful, and then she's also trying to just like, okay, let's move on to it. And Matthew goes on to say, this is all a quote by him, We ain't got no damn pronouns. Continuing his rant, he says, I got a tally whacker. That's a he. We don't do all that shit. I ain't doing all that. They, them, LG, that shit. Bernard Links IV: We ain't got no damn pronouns. Continuing his rant, he says, I got a tally whacker. That's a he. We don't do all that shit. I ain't doing all that. They them. L G that shit. Fuck all that. L G Q I L N N O P W W F. Shut the fuck up. You gay, you straight, you white, you black. You a boy, you're a girl. You got a coochie, you're a girl. Mark: Fuck all that. L G Q I L N N O P W W F shut the fuck up. You gay, you straight, you white, you black, you a boy, you're a girl. You got a coochie, you're a girl. Wow. Holy fucking shit. Okay. Yeah. So he goes on this rant and he even goes as far as acknowledging, damn, I'm finna piss people off with that. Yeah. Yeah. You fucking think? Like all the work the queer community does to Bernard Links IV: Holy fucking shit. Okay. Yeah. So he goes on this rant and he even goes as far as acknowledging, damn, I'm finna piss people off with that. Yeah. Yeah. You fucking think? Like all the work the queer community does to protect themselves and try to show like everything that they do to respect each other and to respect a human being, you you can easily just kind of fall back into that. Mark: protect themselves and try to show like everything that they do to respect each other and to respect a human being you you can easily just kinda fall back into that. When they continued back to the original line of questioning, Candy said them again and McFuckface said, him I ain't it ain't no them. It's only one of them. Okay. As expected there was the

backlash. Bernard Links IV: When they continued back to the original line of questioning, Candy said them again and Mick Fuckface said, him. I ain't it ain't no them. It's only one of Okay. As expected, there was the backlash. Well my thing is like what they don't understand is that him and his partner wouldn't have the relationship that they have if it wasn't for members of the queer community that fought to get to where they Mark: Well, my thing is like what they don't understand is that him and his partner wouldn't have the relationship that they have if it wasn't for members of the queer community that fought to get to where they now have the right to be together. Yeah. And a lot of those queer people use they them pronouns or whatever their pronouns might be to identify their queerness and who they are as a person. Bernard Links IV: The right to be together. Yeah. And a lot of those queer people use they them pronouns or whatever their pronouns might be to identify their queerness and they are as a person. I kind of want to go into it and we'll get I'm gonna get into that a little bit about pronouns. but you know, with the backlash, people were explaining that he, let me help him out there, that he, his pronoun, doesn't understand the singular use of them. Mark: I kinda wanna go into it and we'll get I'm gonna get into that a little bit about pronouns, but you know, with the backlash, people were explaining that he let me help him out there, that he his pronoun doesn't understand the singular use of them, which some of our Instagram commenters also had a little lesson in this past week. I You let him Bernard Links IV: Which some of our Instagram commenters also had a little lesson in this past week. I here you go. Mark: you you s you shared some tea. I guess respect Education. I was respectful about it. You were very edu educational, yeah. Respectful. I was trying to be respectful about it. I thought I was. Bernard Links IV: I just I'm respectful. I was respectful about it. You were very edu educational again. Yeah. I was trying to be respectful about it, and I thought I was. Others are saying that he's trying to be he's trying to be a good gay to the straights. He's trying to like appease to these straits. But not not in like a positive like they're like trying to back him. They're trying to say like it's bullshit, like how he's just doing that. So first off, I want to start with this. I'm not gonna take an English lesson from somebody whose English is fucking terrible. Let's go through the words. Mark: Others are saying that he's trying to he's trying to be a good gay to the straits. He's trying to like appease to these sh I hate that sentence. But not not in like a pause like they're not like say like it's bullshit like how he's just doing that. So first off I wanna start with this. I am not gonna take an English lesson from somebody whose English is fucking terrible. Yeah, he was the words. Finna Yall, which I know I use y'all. I was gonna say we use y'all. Okay, I use y'all, I know that. Bernard Links IV: Finna y'all, which I know I use y'all. Okay, I use y'all. I know that. we don't do all that shit. Ain't okay. I'm not taking an English lesson from somebody who can't fucking speak right. Also, this is the harm that this causes. Cause cause c conservatives are gonna look at this, they're gonna eat this shit up. Cause they're gonna look at it and they're gonna say, hey, someone on the inside who has four million followers, by the way, has the same view that we have. Mark: we don't do all that shit, ain't okay, I'm not taking the English lesson from somebody who can't fucking speak right. Go off sis. Also, this is the harm that this causes 'cause c conservatives are gonna look at this, they're gonna eat this shit up, 'cause they're gonna look at it and they're gonna say, Hey, someone on the inside, who has four million followers, by the way, has the same view that we have, so it must be that the other queer people are wrong because this queer person has it right. Bernard Links IV: So it must be that the other queer people are wrong because this queer person has it right. And they're gonna eat that fucking shit alive. You know who would eat that at? Lauren Boebert. Lauren Boebert. Munch, munch, munch, munch. Everybody uses pronouns. So I thought we would put a little lesson quick here in the pronouns. I'll go through them pretty quickly. Pronouns. I, you, he, she, it, we, they, me, you, him, her, it, us, them, mine, yours, his, hers, ours, theirs. So with that Mark: And they're gonna eat that fucking shit alive. You know who would eat that up? Lauren Boebert. Lauren Bobert. Munch munch munch. Everybody uses pronouns. So I thought we would put a little lesson quick here in the pronouns. I'll go through them c pretty quickly. Pronouns. I, you, he, she, it, we, they, me, you, him, her, it, us, them, mine, yours, his, hers, ours, theirs. So, with that There's even more than that, isn't there? There there's well, yeah. I mean, you get into very like Bernard Links IV: There there's well yeah, I mean you get into very like Z and all all these other places. Yes. But basic pronouns, here we go. So here's my challenge. My challenge, to comedian McFuckface and your of your four million followers, I challenge you to use no pronouns. Mark: Z and all these other places. Yes. But basically basic pronouns. Here we go. So here's my challenge. My challenge, to comedian McFuckface and your of your four million followers, I challenge you to use no pronouns. You can't have a conversation without pronoun using. And it's either gonna sound incredibly formal, as in you're gonna be using names all the time like Mark and Bernard and like that's how you're gonna have to identify. Bernard Links IV: yep, no pronouns. I want you to have a conversation. I don't want you to use a single pronoun. And it's either gonna sound incredibly formal, as in you're gonna be using names all the time like Mark and

Bernard and like that's how you're gonna have to identify. you can't say him, he or though. You just have to s constantly use Mark: you can't say him, he or though. You just have to s constantly use You're gonna have to refer to yourself in your first person. Yeah. or you're finna sound like a real fucking idiot. That's that's where I am with that. And I'm gonna go with the latter there. But it's just the harm done by fucking people doing that shit. What makes me mad is like it it creates Bernard Links IV: Yeah. or you're finna sound like a real fucking idiot. That's that's where I am with that. And I'm gonna go with the ladder there. But it's just the harm done by fucking people doing that shit. What makes me mad is like it it creates Mark: harm for a community that got you to where you get to be who you are. Yeah. You in your your your comedian shit commie Bernard Links IV: that got you to where you get to know who you are. Yeah, you you and your your your comedian shit comedy blow up during COVID when everyone was forced to watch you. Now you have these four million followers. You're on tours, you're doing this, you're doing this stuff. It again comes back to me which one of the most irate things in culture and where we are today in twenty twenty six is one of the things that grinds my gears the most that just absolutely makes me lose my shit. Mark: Blow up during COVID when everyone was forced to watch you. And you have these four million followers, you're on tours, you're doing this, you're doing this stuff. It again comes back to me, which one of the most irate things in culture and where we are today in 2026 is one of the things that grinds my gears the most that just absolutely makes me lose my shit. Hypocrisy. It truly comes whether it's Republican hypocrisy like Lauren Bobert munching away. Bernard Links IV: Yes. It truly comes whether it's Republican hypocrisy like Lauren Vogert Munchin OA and then, you know, or it's this person who is being a total fucking hypocrite and not realizing that they are who they are because of the queer community that got them there and then they're gonna slap in the face to everybody else. Yeah. Or it's just the clause autocracy in general being hypocrites or Republicans acting the way that they act. Mark: And then, you know, or it's this person who is being a total fucking hypocrite and not realizing that they are who they are because of the queer community that got them there and then they're gonna slap in the face to everybody else. Or it's just the closetocracy in general being hypocrites, or Republicans acting the way that they act and then voting another way. There's so much hypocrisy nowadays that people are so close minded about Bernard Links IV: and then voting another way. And there's so much hypocrisy nowadays that people are so close minded about well if it doesn't affect me, who cares? And i it it drives me crazy. Yep. And that right there is a prime example of hypocrisy at its fucking worst.

But anyways, yeah, absolutely. So that I and I read that I kinda wanna go on that little ramp. But anyways, I feel better now. Thank you for listening. You went off sis. Yeah. You got one more? Yeah. Mark: Well, if it doesn't affect me, who cares? And i it it drives me crazy. And that right there is a prime example of hypocrisy at its fucking worst. But anyway, yeah. Absolutely. So that I I read that I kinda wanna go on that little ramp, but anyways, I feel yeah now. Thank you for listening. You went off, sis. Yeah. Go off, sis. You got one more? Yeah. So we're gonna have a little fun. Bernard Links IV: So we're gonna have a little fun. Like a like in the club? Okay, so as all of you guys I think at this point know, husband and I are very avid travelers who like to see the world. let's with that being said, let's check out some of the most underrated gay friendly travel destinations of twenty twenty six, according to gay cities dot com. Let's do it. Mark: Okay, so as all of you guys I think at this point know, husband and I are very avid travelers we like to see the world. let's with that being said, let's check out some of the most underrated gay friendly travel destinations of twenty twenty six according to gay cities.com. Let's do it. Okay, so these are ten of the most underrated LGBTQ plus travel destinations, according to the readers of Gay Cities, which is a gay travel website. And if you ever wanna like plan a fun vacay, Bernard Links IV: Let's do it. Okay, so these are ten of the most underrated LGBTQ plus travel destinations. According to the Readers of Gay Cities, which is a gay travel website, and if you ever want to like plan to find bakay, Mark: gay cities, check them out. They got all kinds of LGBTQI plus queer community like knowledge about all these cities and where you should go and you should do. And it's a community following too where people comment and it's a great website. Check it out, k cities.com. So according to their readers and that community, these are the top ten most underrated Bernard Links IV: gay cities, check them out. They got all kinds of LGBTQI plus queer community like knowledge about all these cities and where you should go and you should do, and it's a community following too, or people comment and it's a great website. Check it out, k cities.com. So according to their readers and that community, these are the top ten most underrated. LGBTQ plus travel destinations globally. Do you want to go from number ten to number one or number one and number ten? No. Give me the worst one. Okay, and it's still not bad, Mark: LGBTQ plus travel destinations globally. Do you want to go from number 10 to number one or number one to number 10? No. Give me the worst one. Okay, and it's still not bad. Bernard Links IV: obviously. These are all places to go. So number ten on the list is Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. okay. So the laid back charm of Delaware coast. Mark: Obviously, these are all recommended places to go. so number

ten on the list is Rehoboth Beach, Delaware. okay. So the laid-back charm of Delaware coast meet a lively and deeply rooted queer community in Rehoboth Beach, a popular getaway town for the DC, Philadelphia, and Baltimore LGBTQ plus communities for decades between drag dinner theaters, gay watering holes, and friendly beaches. Bernard Links IV: Meet a lively and deeply rooted queer community in Rehobith Beach, a popular getaway town for the DC, Philadelphia, and Baltimore LGBTQ plus communities for decades, between drag dinner theaters, gay watering holes, and friendly beaches, you might find yourself arriving at the same conclusion as one of our respondents who dubbed the city as quote, a lot more fun than I was expecting. So maybe check out Rehobic Beach, Delaware. This one shocked me. Number nine? Yeah. Okay. Mark: You might find yourself arriving at the same conclusion as one of our respondents who dubbed the city as quote a lot more fun than I was expecting. So maybe check out Rahada with Beach Delaware. All right. This one shocked me. Number nine? Yeah. Okay. Close to home. Well there's the next two are close to home. Like the Ozarks? Number nine. Saint Louis, Missouri. Okay. Bernard Links IV: Close home. Well there's the next two are close to home. Like the Ozarks? Number nine. Saint Louis, Missouri. Okay. So St. Louis, Missouri, we've been there multiple times. Yeah. I don't think I would ever but I mean I guess when we were there we were seeing family and doing other things, but I never have experienced the queer community in St. Louis. Same. I mean hard candy goes there with their tours, so it's there, obviously. but according to this, we weren't surprised to see St. Louis, Missouri make the cut. Mark: So St. Louis, Missouri, we've been there multiple times. I don't think I would ever but I mean I guess when we were there we were seeing family and doing other things, but I never have experienced the queer community in St. Louis. I mean hard candy goes there with their tours, so it's there, obviously. but according to this, we weren't surprised to see Saint Louis, Missouri make the cut. After all, the quote Gateway City Bernard Links IV: After all, the quote Gateway City is a haven for gay friendliness in America's heartland with a rich queer history in gay hoods like the Grove and Central West End, friendly locals, no shortage of LGBTQ plus owned businesses, and the second largest Mardi Gras celebration in the United States. Interesting. Which I also did know I d did not know that. We've been to the Grove. Yeah. We've been to the Grove, but yeah, th I didn't realize I mean Mark: is a haven for gay friendliness in America's heartland with a rich queer history in gay hoods like the Grove and Central West End, friendly locals, no shortage of LGBTQ plus owned businesses, and the second largest Mardi Gras celebration in the United States. Interesting. Which I also did not know that St. Louis had the second largest Mardi Gras celebration. Yeah. I mean I mean there was that one store that was pretty epic. Bernard Links IV: We didn't do anything else. Yeah. Cool shit in this bag. Yeah. Yeah. number eight, also close to home. Mark: Yeah. Yeah. number eight, also close to home. Bernard Links IV: Okay. Omaha? No. A little bit in my opinion, like a stretch. More under the radar. If you have seen I'm sure maybe you've seen there's some been some blown up recently about about it, but Eureka Springs, Arkansas. Okay. And while I hate Arkansas's political climate, yeah. And I don't want to give money to the state of Arkansas, especially Sarah Huckabee Bum Fox Sanders. Mark: No. A little bit in my opinion, like more under the radar. If you have seen I'm sure maybe you've seen on there's some been some blown up recently about about it, but Eureka Springs, Arkansas. Okay. And while I hate Arkansas political climate and I don't want to give money to the state of Arkansas, especially Sarah Huckabee Bum Fuck Sanders, Eureka Springs, Arkansas made the list. Arkansas underrated, gay, it's more likely than you think. According to their readers, many people don't even know about this gay friendly accepting town. Bernard Links IV: Eureka Springs, Arkansas made the list. Arkansas underrated gay, it's more likely than you think. According to their readers, many people don't even know about this gay friendly accepting town. Mark: But Eureka Springs is a bona fide queer oasis in the deep south with a booming art scenery and a bounty of queer owned businesses. Trade in your buzzing buzzing city lifestyle for a weekend of sweet charms, quirky shops, and a wal and walkable surprises. Eureka Springs is also nearby. There's that K campground down there. Bernard Links IV: But Eureka Springs is a bona fide queer oasis in the deep south with a booming art scenery and a bounty of queer owned businesses. Trading your buzzing buzzing city lifestyle for a weekend of sweet charms, quirky shops, and a walk and walkable surprises. Okay. Eureka Springs is also nearby. There's that gay campground down there. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. Number seven is Denver, Colorado. That makes sense. They don't call Denver the mile high city for nothing. Mark: Somewhere down there at that. Yeah. so number seven is Denver, Colorado. That makes sense. They don't call Denver the mile high city for nothing. From incredible hiking, great weather, and just about every recreational activity that you can imagine, to small hole in the wall establishments and iconic gay bars and restaurants, this underrated and liberal city is the perfect introduction to all the beauty that Colorado has to offer. Bernard Links IV: From incredible hiking, great weather, and just about every recreational activity that you can imagine, to small hole in the wall establishments and iconic gay bars and restaurants, this underrated and liberal city is the perfect introduction to all the beauty that Colorado has to offer. And according to one reader of the site, it also has

quote a terrific bathhouse and men are really friendly as well. So yeah, Julie noted. There you go. Number six, we're leaving the United States and heading up Rio de Janeiro. Mark: And according to one reader of the site, it also has quote a terrific bathhouse and men are really friendly as well. So you know, duly noted, if that's your thing, Denver, Colorado's got you. There you go. Number six, we're leaving the United States and heading up Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Okay. If Copacabana was good enough for Barry Manilo, then it's good enough for us. Between the electric spectacle of Carnival, the I can eye candy on Impanama Beach Bernard Links IV: So if Copacabana was good enough for Barry Manila, then it's good enough for us between the electric spectacle of Carnival, the I can eye candy on Impanama Beach Mark: Empanema? Empanama? Empanama? I I don't know. It's bustling nightlife, and of course the incredible year-round temperatures. Rio de Janeiro is the type of rising LGBTQ plus travel destination that won't stay underrated for long. Love it. Number five, we're halfway there. We're Bernard Links IV: I don't know. It's bustling nightlife and of course the incredible year round temperatures, Rio de Janeiro is the type of rising LGBTQ plus travel destination that won't stay underrated for long. Love it. Number five, we're halfway there. Mark: going down under Sydney. Sydney, Australia. Sydney has it all. Sun soaked beaches, harbor views, the iconic Sydney, gay and lesbian Mardi Gras. Bernard Links IV: Sydney. Sydney, Australia. Sydney has it all. Sun soaked beaches, harbour views, the iconic Sydney, gay and lesbian Mardi Gras, the historic Oxford Street, and as one reader assured us, hot, hot, hot men. Well the flight to Australia can't feel prohibited. Let us assure you, after a week in one of the world's most square-friendly cities, you'll understand why it's earned its spot on the list. Number four. Mark: The historic Oxford Street and as one reader assured us, hot, hot, hot men. Well the flight to Australia can't feel prohibitive. Let us assure you, after a week in one of the world's most queer friendly cities, you'll understand why it's earned its spot on the list. Number four, I feel like I can partially attest to. Okay. Dublin, Ireland. Yeah. Yeah. Dublin, we've been there, I've been there multiple times. Yeah. Bernard Links IV: Like I can partially attest to Dublin, Ireland. Yeah. Yeah. Dublin, we've been there. I've been there multiple times. Yeah. Was that your first time? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Dublin, don't forget about the luck of the Irish. As one gay city reader told us, considering it's a fairly Catholic country, I never thought of it as friendly, but there were pride flags everywhere, which also we saw that we can attest to Mark: Was that your first time in Dublin? Yeah, so Dublin don't forget about the luck of the Irish. As one gay city reader told us, considering it's a fairly Catholic country, I never thought of it as friendly, but there were pride flags everywhere, which also can attest to. There were pride flags all over the place. Dublin indeed Dublin's scene pulses down its cobblestone streets and its cozy pubs offering queer visitors an intimate and Bernard Links IV: Dublin indeed Dublin's scene pulses down its cobblestone streets and its cozy pubs, offering queer visitors an intimate and con Mark: convivial viva convivial vacation. What's convivial mean? I don't know. Convivial, convivial. I'm not good at English, y'all. okay, so a Bernard Links IV: convivial viva convivial vacation. What's convivial mean? I don't know. Convivial, convivial. I'm not good at English, y'all. Yeah, we're not Webster. okay so I Mark: an intimate and convivial vacation where a pint of Guinness can easily turn into a drag show, a bar crawl, and meeting a handsome visitor with an accent to die for. I do love the Irish accent. Number three, we're heading back to the United States and heading up New Orleans, Louisiana. Bernard Links IV: An intimate and convivial vacation where a pint of Guinness can easily turn into a drag show, a bar brawl, and meeting a handsome visitor with an accent to die for. I too love the Irish accent. Number three, we're headed back to the United States and heading up New Orleans, Louisiana. that's surprising. I was also surprised. Okay. As one reader told us, New Orleans quote rarely makes these lists, but I've always had such a fun time when I visit. Home to one of the oldest gay bars in America, Nola Mark: I was also surprised. As one reader told us, New Orleans, quote, rarely makes these lists, but I've always had such a fun time when I visit. Home to one of the oldest gay bars in America, Nola, as it's called, is a fun gem of a queer city with a creepy haunted taboo vibe going for it. Whether you're making the trek for Mardi Gras or a Southern Decadent, aka gay Mardi Gras, or stopping by on a regular weekend, you're guaranteed to find apparently some cute LGBTQI Plus Bernard Links IV: as it's called, is a fun gem of a queer city with a creepy haunted taboo vibe going for it. Whether you're making the trek for a Mardi Gras or a southern decadent, aka gay Mardi Gras, or stopping by on a regular weekend, you're guaranteed to find apparently some cute LGBTQI plus liberation or liberation on Bourbon Street. Interesting. Number two, we're heading north. Mark: Liberation or liberation on Bourbon Street. Interesting. Number two, we're heading north. Bernard Links IV: How far? Toronto? No. Montreal. That was close. Yeah, I was close. Mark: No, Montreal. Yeah, it was close. with its diverse scene, Admiral Gaborhood Le Village, and French kissed cuisine in community, Montreal is a can't miss LGBTQ plus destination that often gets overlooked in favor of other Canadian spots. That said, its combination of rich history and charming design appeals to many of their readers. Bernard Links IV: With its diverse scene, Admiral Gaborhood, Le Village, and French kissed cuisine and

community, Montreal is a can't-ness LGBTQ plus destination that often gets overlooked in favor of other Canadian spots. That said, its combination of rich history and charming design appeals to many of their readers. Mark: Montreal has an enormous amount of old and impressive architecture that may be attractive to some LGBTQ eyes people. Okay, number one. We're going to Europe. Okay. Any guesses? It's underrated in Europe. Barcelona? No. But that's the Barcelona I feel like is an underrated. I feel like that's a well known. In my opinion, LGBTQ Bernard Links IV: Montreal has an enormous amount of old and impressive architecture that may be attractive to some LGBTQIS people. Okay, number one. We're going to Europe. Okay. Any guesses. It's underrated in Europe. Barcelona? No. Was that close? Barcelona, I feel like, isn't underrated. I feel like that's a well known I don't know. In my opinion. Okay. Mark: plus travel destination. think more north and east. Bernard Links IV: Think more north and east of Spain, which is pretty easy. Like France? Further north. I don't know. Switzerland. Well that's way north. That's why I said north. Okay. Zurich, Switzerland, which is on my list travel list destination. Yeah. So the party goes all night in the criminally underrated city of Zurich. Mark: East of Spain, which is pretty easy. Like France? Further north. I don't know. Switzerland. That's way north. That's why I said north. Zurich, Switzerland, which is on my bucket list travel list destination. I want to go to Switzerland, Norway. I want to do it all bitches. So the party goes all night in the criminally underrated city of Zurich. This European city ranks number one by multiple respondents, contains a vast number of LGBTQ plus bars and clubs, unique shopping and dining, as well as a bustling and vibrant gay community. One reader s states that there's surprisingly a quote, vast spectrum of LGBTQ plus friendly resources, plus Bernard Links IV: This European city ranks number one by multiple respondents contains a vast number of LGBTQ plus bars and clubs, unique shopping and dining, as well as a bustling and vibrant gay community. One reader s states that there's surprisingly a quote vast spectrum of LGBTQ friendly resources plus Mark: it's relatively safe and features a nice and compact neighborhood or gaberhood. Bernard Links IV: It's relatively safe and features a nice and compact neighborhood or gaborhood. The only downside is it can be expensive. So Yeah. But I thought it was cool. So yeah, that's awesome. Zurich Switzerland is you know. I love it. But I think it's cool to spotlight some like underrated yeah, you know, like Eureka Springs, Arkansas. Mark: The only downside is it can be expensive, so start saving your pennies now. But I thought it was cool. So yeah, number one is Z Zurich Switzerland, is you know. But I think it's cool to spotlight some like underrated like you know, like Eureka Springs, Arkansas. Bernard Links IV: But now I have places

on my list that I want to go. I mean I would drive down the Eureka Springs. Mark: I mean I would drive down to Eureka Springs, Arkansas. That's only like five hours from here. If that yeah. If that. Yeah. It's near Bentonville. It's like east of Bentonville. Yeah, it's not bad. I love it. We're like St. Louis. Like girl, my sister lived in St. Louis for three years. We went there all the time. I didn't know. Right. I love it. But yeah, there's some cool fun places to spotlight. So get your travel on y'all. I love it. Awesome. Well I think that's it. Bernard Links IV: If that, yeah. If that, yeah. I think it's a lot closer than that. But yeah. Yeah, it's not bad. But I love it. We're like St. Louis. Like girl, my sister lived in St. Louis for three years. We were there all the time. I didn't know. Right. Let's go check it out. I love it. But yeah, there's some cool, fun places to spotlight. So get your travel all y'all. I love it. Awesome. Well I think that's it. That's all I have. Just a reminder if you are interested and able to go to the memorial service and remembrance service for Melinda Ryder. Mark: That's all I have. Just a reminder, if you are interested and able to go to the memorial service and remembrance service for Melinda Ryder. Yep. October tenth. Yes. That's at the I'm gonna look it up. It's at the church in It starts at two o'clock. In the plaza. It's where I saw JVN's book Bernard Links IV: Yep. October tenth. Yes. That's at the let me look it up. It's at the church in It starts at two o'clock in the plaza. That's where I saw JVN's book. Mark: tour a long time ago. And it's where I saw Anthony's book tour a long time ago. It's where I saw Tan's book tour. It's that big church on the plaza in front of the Hilton Hotel. Bernard Links IV: Book tour a long time ago. It's where I saw Tan's book tour. It's that big church on the plaza in front of the Hilton. Mark: it's at the Unity Temple on the Plaza. so it's Saturday, October 10th. There's a visitation from 2 p.m. to 3 30 p.m. followed by a celebration from 3 30 to 5 p.m. All are in cl are invited to celebrate the life of Bruce Winter, also known as Merlinda Ryder. Bernard Links IV: It's at the Unity Temple on the plaza. Yeah. so it's Saturday, October tenth. There's a visitation from two PM to three thirty PM, followed by a celebration from three thirty to five PM. All are in cl are invited to celebrate the life of Bruce Winter, also known as Melinda Ryder. if you are an entertainer, they encourage you to attend in full costume because that's what Melinda would truly love. So again, this upcoming Saturday, October tenth. Mark: if you are an entertainer, they encourage you to attend in full costume because that's what Melinda would truly love. So again, this upcoming Saturday, October 10th, the celebration of life for Bruce Winter and Melinda Ryder. Again, I'm still seeing plenty of comments, people commenting on our social media posts, especially on TikTok, Bernard Links IV: The celebration of life for Bruce Winter and Melinda Ryder. Again, I'm still seeing plenty of comments of people commenting on our social media posts, especially on TikTok. Mark: about Melinda Ryder's passing. Bernard Links IV: about Melinda Ryder's passing in time. Once we get all those together we will be passing those along to Kirk. So continue to share your messages and stories of the joy and love that Melinda Bry Ryder has brought to you and the community and we will make sure those all get passed along to Kirk at an appropriate time. And if you can, October tenth it's gonna be a really magical event to celebrate somebody who spent so much to the Kansas City Ma Kansas City queer community. I love it. Yeah. And you know, continue like, subscribe, share Mark: In time, once we get all those together, we will be passing those along to Kirk. So continue to share your messages and stories of the joy and love that Melinda Brider has brought to you and the community. And we will make sure those all get passed along to Kirk at an appropriate time. And if you can, October tenth, it's gonna be a really magical event to celebrate somebody who's went so much to the Kansas City Ma Kansas City queer community. I love it. Yeah. And you know, continue, like, subscribe, share. Bernard Links IV: followers are are growing. We're love to see it. We love to see people engaging too and and talking and and having that conversation. So continue doing that. if you haven't already go back. this week's episode is Caitlin Strauss. Amazing episode, very calm person, very sweet and just a Mark: followers are are growing. We love to see it. We love to see people engaging too and and talking and and having that conversation. So continue doing that. if you haven't already go back. this week's episode is Caitlin Strauss. Amazing episode, very calm person, very sweet and just a Bernard Links IV: good safe space to listen to as well. And coming up next week we have the Reverend Daniel McClary. Mark: good safe space to listen to as well. And coming up next week we have the Reverend Daniel McLary. Yes. And we talk about the nineteen forty six documentary, a translation that changed, you know, culture. It talks about it it's a very in depth documentary and we get to talk about that quite a bit. So it's it's a wonderful thing. And it's also great to get Daniel's perspective being as a queer reverence. Bernard Links IV: And we talk about the nineteen forty six documentary, a translation that changed, you know, culture. It talks about it it's a very in depth documentary and we get to talk about that quite a bit. So it's it's a wonderful thing. And it's also great to get Daniel's perspective being a reverend. But being queer and you know, Mark: In a same-sex relationship and everything. So it's a very wonderful listen and air, but I think that's it. Yeah. Go ahead, like, comment, subscribe, share, all the things, Bernard Links IV: in a same sex relationship and everything. So it's a very wonderful episode. listen to there, but I think that's it. Yeah. Go ahead, like, comment, subscribe, share all the things. Mark: and we appreciate you guys following, listening. If you want, check out all our social medias. And if you have a news story, you want to show your story, you want to be on the podcast, set up our link tree and all of our social medias. And that being said, thanks so much for listening and we'll see you guys next time. Bernard Links IV: We appreciate you guys following, listening. If you want, check out all our social medias. And if you have a news story, you want to show your story, you want to be on the podcast, set up our link tree and all of social medias. And that being said, thanks so much for listening and we'll see you guys next time. Bye! 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