Tangem Wallet Security Explained: Tangem Pay, New Features & 2026 Updates의 전체 녹취록

about Tandrum history and where we are right now. 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:51.199 Yeah, it's awesome. 00:04:51.360 --> 00:05:05.839 And you just reminded me, so a couple of months after I interviewed you last time, I interviewed Brandon LaRoque, who I don't know if that name sounds familiar to you, but he's the guy who got 3.2 million in XRP stolen from him. 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:19.920 He woke up the next day, and it turns out he was using a cold wallet that had an app on the app store that he downloaded that asked you to enter in your seed phrase, which turns it obviously into a hot wallet. 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:27.120 And uh and then he got 3.1 million, 3.2 million of XRP stolen away. 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:34.560 And so it's one of the reasons why I appreciate the simplicity of Tangium, that you have that choice of seedless or non-seedless. 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:49.839 The other thing that if you could just talk about is highlight the difference between the simplicity of Tangium versus what most people are familiar with Ledger and Trezor, these hardware physical devices. 00:05:50.160 --> 00:06:09.839 And the reason I don't promote those is because I've been in cybersecurity my whole life, and and the more when things are complex, people find all kinds of ways to get around security or to shortcut, or or they're in a rush and they got to plug in cables and they're being asked to upgrade the firmware, software, something. 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:14.480 And with Tangium, like I I haven't had to do anything. 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:17.519 Um, other than just you know keep my mobile app updated. 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:24.000 And so could you highlight the simplicity of Tangium and the difference between these other solutions that are in the market? 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:25.600 Uh thank you for asking that. 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:30.480 So, first of all, it's very important for me to, I mean, I don't like to talk bad about competitors. 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:32.560 I can say so many bad things about them. 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:35.680 Uh, first of all, so the one that you highlighted from France. 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:40.319 Um I'm I'm content creator by my own in Europe in with German. 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:44.480 So, I mean, nothing you really need to show up, but uh or need to take a take a look to. 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.120 But uh I came from the same path as you. 00:06:47.279 --> 00:07:16.800 Uh I'm not so deep into IT security, but when I figured out how loose this French company um is handling the customer datas, the security elements um of the most valuable thing, so the test customer informations, I also shut off promoting those wallets because I couldn't, I mean, I I couldn't stand behind that product if not every single aspect of the product is great. 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:26.079 And again, keeping the customer data private, secure, and away from hackers and scammers is one of the most important things when it comes to money. 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:28.160 But we can talk about that maybe a little bit later. 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:31.439 So uh you highlighted two very good hardware wallets. 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:33.839 Um, what is the major difference? 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:41.360 I mean, the biggest point, what we figured out at Tanjium, is durability and reliability. 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:47.199 So, I mean, what do you got in a wallet like a ledger or a treasure, no matter what model? 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:53.199 You got a lot of different items, a lot of different parts, processors, chips, displays. 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:55.920 And here's the shocking thing about that. 00:07:56.000 --> 00:08:12.800 If I talk a little bit about the security, if you really drag down every single component of these wallets, you might see components that you will also find in garage door openers, in very low secure items. 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:18.639 And we're gonna say in Germany, a chain is only that strong as the weakest link. 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:30.639 And if you got a non-secure qualified element in your hardware wallet, what contains your money, this is the weakest point. 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:34.000 So, and we thought it a tangent. 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:37.360 What could be more simple than a plastic card? 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:46.159 An EAL6 Plus rated microprocessor, was also patented from Samsung with the highest quality standards, and some goofy copper antennas. 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:49.759 So honestly, there is nothing that could get hacked. 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:55.360 Ledger tried it, they failed, they made a proof of concept, but never really hacked a wallet. 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:59.039 Um, and what could break at that card? 00:08:59.360 --> 00:08:59.919 Nothing. 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:16.159 Uh, I don't know if you remember, uh told last time, my or I showed you last time my very first tangent wallet, what I shot with a calibre 22, I drilled through it with a drill bit, I burnt it with a torch, I ran over with a tenton forklifter, I froze it, I cooked it, I burnt it, I really did everything with it. 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:17.519 It's still working. 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:20.399 And I mean this shows how great this wallet is. 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:22.480 I mean, this is nothing what you do daily, yeah. 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.240 You don't run it over with a tenton forklifter or shoot it with a gun. 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:31.679 But I couldn't do that with any other hardware wallet because if you do so, it definitely breaks down. 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:50.399 So to me, the biggest um differential part between this wallet, what I got on my back here, and tang, is it really drags down the hardware wallet to that would it have to be something what you need to sign your transaction. 00:09:50.639 --> 00:10:02.240 So nothing is more simple than grabbing your phone where you got your three-time audited tangent uh app on it, then do whatever you want, you know.

00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:12.879 Just uh maybe you want to swap something on tangent directly, some Ethereum to XRP or some Bitcoin to use the tether on Polygon Network or something like that. 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:18.960 You can do that directly on Tangem, grab your wallet and sign the transaction. 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:21.759 And this is all your hardware wallet needs to be. 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:27.440 And make yourself the path and Google definition of hardware wallet. 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:31.519 You will find a very good article, I think it is by crypto.com. 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:39.759 Um, the definition of a pure hardware wallet is that it's not online, and what could be more offline than a plastic card? 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:49.360 I couldn't prove that any of the other devices here in the background maybe do not link to any network or you know, just go any goofy routes, you don't know. 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:53.039 And this is something what really makes tangent simple. 00:10:53.279 --> 00:11:01.600 Everything in one app, don't need to download any additional apps, you don't need to study for hours how to set it up. 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:16.480 It's a guided process that allows you, no matter if you're a pro or if you start with uh self-custody right now and heard yesterday about Bitcoin, you can set up your hardware wallet in two and a half to maximum five minutes with seed phrases or without seed phrases. 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:17.519 So it's up to you. 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:22.240 And this is knowledge, this is educational training, what we do also with our customers. 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:23.840 Uh, we help to understand them. 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:25.039 What's the best way for them? 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:26.639 What's the most securest way? 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:50.960 And where do they really need to pay attention within the setup process, or also all the actions that you could do on tangent, like staking, directly swap, native swap, cross-chain swap, or even like you explained it with the interview earlier, um just spend your crypto assets directly with your Visa Platin card, what's integrated into Tangent. 00:11:51.120 --> 00:12:02.159 So on more than four million visa terminals worldwide, no matter if you pay groceries, gas, insurance, or your new car with a credible volume and uh limits on that. 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:09.120 So I hope that explains it a little bit better what is the difference between all the other hardware wallets and tangent. 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:10.080 Yeah. 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:17.679 Yeah, you mentioned one thing that uh like you don't know if things are being rerouted, you know, be uh uh on the internet and stuff like that. 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:22.639 And so that's why I don't that's why I like Tangium, uh, because it doesn't have cables. 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:27.039 Because at this point now, you have to be worried about the cable itself. 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:38.159 Like your computer, your your phone could be completely clean, but then you get this cable that uh is programmed to send data to you know server somewhere else around the world. 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:47.360 And so um the fact that there's just no cables, no batteries, there's no software to update on the card itself is uh just makes it very, very simple. 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:53.759 Um one thing also is people care about privacy. 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:59.679 They care about the fact that you know the crypto isn't really like tied in their name and their address. 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:03.919 And and so could you talk about also the the privacy aspects? 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:08.159 What do you what are the pros, cons of using a Teams solution? 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:14.159 Uh and if it differs from these other hardware devices, then um you know outline that as well. 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:15.919 Great question, really. 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:29.039 So um we can talk about privacy at the tangent card, or I think it's more important to get to the very first step when you or your viewers just grab their tangent card. 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:33.039 So for all that don't know, we have great, great uh auction right now. 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:38.480 We have 50% off for the second set and also plus 10% discount with your code. 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:42.559 Uh Mark will drop it in the video below or just maybe pin it here somewhere. 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:51.039 Uh so feel free uh to just secure your tangent card or maybe a second one for friends, loved ones, or uh as a backup, what's really highly recommended. 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:55.440 Um let's start at the point where you order your tangent card. 00:13:55.519 --> 00:14:03.759 So, what you're gonna do, you go to our website, tangent.com, and then you go to the very bottom, you can enter in Mark's code, and you will get the discount. 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:12.399 So when you order your tangent card, it comes directly to the location you want it to, maybe your home, maybe the address where you work, whatever. 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:14.720 Um, and here's something very unique. 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:21.679 What Tangent is doing, as far as I know, is the only hardware wallet provider or supplier or producer in the world. 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:28.000 We separate our ordering process of the wallet from the production process. 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:32.720 So if you take a look to the tangent card, you might see a small batch number here below. 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:36.320 It's probably not good visible, but trust me, we got a batch number here at the bottom. 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:37.919 Here's a black one, you can see it better. 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:46.320 Um so with the batch number and your address, you could maybe link the wallet with your personal data. 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:50.720 So we could maybe know who you are, what your funds are, how much you store. 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:53.679 But here is what

Tanger makes very, very, very unique. 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:58.000 We separate the ordering process from the production process. 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:04.720 And what we also do, after a couple of weeks, we delete completely customer informations. 00:15:04.960 --> 00:15:12.399 So we don't know after a couple of weeks who bought a wallet, who you are, where's your address. 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:26.720 So let's assume a government, um a lawyer or someone else come to Tangim and say, Hi, uh, I got Mark here, uh, he's involved in some GUI transactions, we need to freeze his wallet or I need his address. 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:30.639 Tangem say, okay, we got no clue who Mark is. 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:36.159 I mean, for sure, you're a partner, we know you good, but we don't know you from the customer side. 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:38.320 And that is something very important for us. 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:53.039 So even if someone might hack any tangent servers or any tangent uh informations, there will be nothing that we can release or they can find about customers, what they ordered, how much they ordered. 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:59.440 I just talk only about the other hardware wallet producer in France that had multiple problems with that. 00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:11.679 What ended up in fake wallets sent to them, uh emails sent to them, fake letters sent to them, with really good information on its QR codes, what drains your wallet, what is very, very important for us. 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:16.399 So we are Tangem, we start with privacy really at the very beginning. 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:21.919 And after that, like I told you, we got no clue who you are and who owns any assets. 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:36.720 Tangum also does not operate any private service, what records information, everything which you do on your tangent wallet will happen only on your smartphone and in combination between your card and your smartphone. 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:42.240 Nothing gets stored, nothing gets saved, uh, there is no back test or anything else. 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:46.240 There is only one small thing that we check during the setup process. 00:16:46.480 --> 00:17:05.839 When you just start setting up your very first tangent wallet, we are grabbing one PDF file from a tangent server, what just contains all the tangent batch numbers, what we had, what I've shown you here, and it's checking if this is a batch number that is produced by tangent. 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:10.319 That's all we're gonna check to make sure that you don't get a fake wallet or anything else. 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:20.079 And um, you can also do all your setup process in flight mode, what is also very good, um, because then you definitely make sure that nothing gets out to any person. 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:23.920 You don't want them to know about your seat phrases, your data, or anything else. 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:27.039 So, long story short, I know we talked uh a lot. 00:17:27.119 -->

00:17:29.200 Um, we as tangent, we are very proud. 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:36.720 We produced at today approximately 8.6 million of these tangent wallet cards. 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:43.759 First of all, none of them get hacked, none of them ever failed, and we also give you a 25-year warranty. 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:51.039 And we don't know who you are, we don't know what's the assets on your tangent wallet, and we couldn't freeze anything. 00:17:51.279 --> 00:18:02.400 Let's uh think about that a little bit longer and make sure that the wallet maybe you're using right now from a different supplier offers you the same topic of privacy uh and also transparency. 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:06.720 Well, that's great news about the fact that you you uh delete customer data. 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:13.119 I didn't even think that uh I didn't think about that, but now that you say that, that's uh yeah, that's awesome. 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:14.000 That's awesome. 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:16.160 So as a customer, I appreciate that. 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:18.319 And um I love privacy. 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:22.240 If the data doesn't exist, it can't be stolen and used against us. 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:23.839 And so that's good news. 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:42.799 Um now in terms of um, you know, we spoke about people going to the website and they order, and in terms of how many wallets somebody should have, and I don't know, I don't know what like your philosophy would be, but like the way that I have my I I have now actually have five tangent wallets. 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:51.279 I have a couple other wallets that I had well before Tangent that um I haven't touched them in probably a year and a half. 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:58.000 Um but the way that I have it arranged is I have one that I consider sort of my gateway, and then the other four I don't touch. 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:13.119 Um if I send Bitcoin to those ones, I don't touch it, I don't do anything with it, and then I have one where but that's the one I I attach my tangent Visa Pay card to it, and it's the one I call sort of my gateway wallet. 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:16.880 Uh but should I think people should have more than one tangent wallet. 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:26.880 Is do you have do you have thoughts about like let's say somebody has$10,000 worth of Bitcoin, Ethereum, and XRP or something. 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:34.319 Like to me, they should have m two at least two wallets at that point and split the assets up. 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:41.599 That's a very, very, very knowledgeable and very intelligent way what you are talking about right now. 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:46.079 And this is knowledge that not a lot of people have and not a lot of creators talk about. 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:47.119 Uh thank you, really. 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:48.640 Thank you for bringing that up. 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:50.559 So let's let's do that. 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:58.720 Let me show you what I do because I really love to uh give you a little bit um of of a background. 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:02.400 I couldn't show my okay, I couldn't I couldn't switch my camera anyway. 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:03.759 Uh so what I have. 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:11.039 I have right now six wallets for my own, plus a burner wallet, and four wallets for my kids. 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:12.400 So let me explain a little bit. 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:14.559 First of all, why burner wallet? 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:15.359 What is that? 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.880 I think it's sort of your gateway wallet, what you're explaining a little bit. 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:28.720 Um, I'm working a lot in DeFi space, so like using voting rights, or maybe stake some items, or maybe claim some airdrops. 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:37.519 So just imagine um you have your physical wallet full of all the money that you that you own from your bank account. 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:46.880 You know, it's so packed, you've got it in your pocket, and you are in New York at Central Park, midnight or 1 a.m. 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:48.640 Not a good idea. 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:51.039 So if you get robbed, everything's gone. 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:54.000 That's the same thing with your wallet. 00:20:54.240 --> 00:21:07.920 If you claim an airdrop or just go to a DeFi application, use Wallet Connect, or maybe use your voting rights with a wallet where you got all your funds on it laying around, no matter if it's 10,000, 100,000 or 5 million. 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:14.799 This is the same situation as using your physical wallet with all the money in midnight or 1 a.m. 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:16.480 in Central Park in New York. 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:18.799 So if you get robbed, you lose everything. 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:20.960 So therefore, I got a burner wallet. 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:35.680 This is a wallet where I only got some dollars in gas fees for Ethereum, Arbitrum, Matic, um, yeah, XRP, Bitcoin, if I need to claim something, you know, or if I need to send some assets to a staking pool or whatever. 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:51.920 In case I sign a malicious contract or I maybe sign a contract, I don't know, when something happens, I could really easily just only lose a couple of dollars in gas fee and not my whole money. 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:58.559 From the other perspective, what you said with the$10,000 uh idea, I think it depends a little bit. 00:21:58.720 --> 00:21:59.759 Um, what I gonna do. 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:07.920 Every 10,000 investment summary, um, I grab a new wallet and I also separate a little bit. 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:12.240 I had one wallet, or I get at least three wallets right now, only for Ethereum assets. 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:17.920 I got one wallet only for Bitcoin, I got one wallet only for say and XRP maybe. 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:24.319 So, and that uh so that ends up right now in a little bit more than six different wallets, or at least seven different wallets. 00:22:24.559

--> 00:22:29.599 Um, and every one of my uh daughters got their own hardware wallet. 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:31.119 So I also managed them. 00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:33.759 So I really would love to show you that, but I couldn't. 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:42.079 Uh anyway, so uh this is my this is my tangent, my my first tangent wallet, my second, third, fourth, fifth, yada yada yadda. 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:43.599 So I I really got a lot of wallets. 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:48.000 I also do some tests, and I think yeah, here we start with my children's wallets. 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:49.200 I got a message here. 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:52.559 Uh typically I got an overhead camera, but I couldn't use it here. 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:53.759 It doesn't matter. 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:56.000 And yeah, these are all the wallets for my kids. 00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:58.000 Uh, here we got a community portfolio. 00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:01.039 So I'm using a lot of different tangent wallets. 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:03.200 Uh so it makes sense. 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:09.119 Um diversifying your assets and also spitting the assets due to safety. 00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:14.640 Yeah, the burner wallet, that actually is probably a better name because that's basically how I use mine as well. 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:19.920 Um it's the same purpose, but you explained it really very good. 00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:25.839 No, you are really one of the rarest ones that start with that because not a lot of people use it. 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:26.400 I love it. 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:27.440 Very good. 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:33.279 Yeah, it's just I mean I have you know some online wallets, Coinbase and others, and I do the same thing with them. 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:41.920 And uh, like on on my what you know is my gateway slash burner wallet, like I keep like a thousand dollars on it only. 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:45.200 And that's what I have my tangent visa pay attached to. 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:55.599 And if I want to, if I want to top up the visa pay, it's like I I'll have my ring on me, or uh, or before before I leave the the house, I can just add$100,$200 to it. 00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:58.960 And we can talk a little bit about the Visa Pay after this. 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:07.599 Uh but I if you're if you're listening to this and you're wondering, should I get you know one wallet, two wallets, three, I get I would get two minimum and start there. 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:11.440 Um you already showed the one feature, which I think is kind of a cool feature. 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:22.960 And I I don't even know you guys had even added the feature, but then all of a sudden I was able to add multiple wallets to one of the apps on one of my phones, and so I could slide through it like you had you had did. 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:34.240 And so that's another great feature is you could have like in your case, you know, you have all these different wallets on one phone, on one app, you can

actually have access to all of them. 00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:47.839 Yeah, but you can't you won't be able to transact on it, so you could walk around into crowds and and uh somebody could steal your phone and uh and they won't be able to send any crypto outbound or inbound or anything. 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:50.480 Well, I guess they could send it inbound, but that'd be good for you. 00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:59.599 Uh but they can't make any transactions out of your wallet it un unless they have your seed phrase or your excuse me, your passphrase in one of your cards. 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:01.599 Yeah, this is this is a funny thing. 00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:13.440 If somebody finds my phone and is maybe able to unlock the phone, there is no way he can have access to the tangent app because the tangent app is secured. 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:26.400 It either way you you can only open it with your biometrics, either way fingerprint or face scan, or with one of the cards that entered in into your phone plus your private pin. 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:28.960 So there is no way to hack that. 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:31.440 That's amazing, and that's another security feature. 00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:33.599 And here's something very f very interesting. 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:36.799 Uh, roughly a year ago, I just said to my wife, you know what? 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:43.440 If I die tomorrow, you end up very badly because you don't have access to anything I got on my wallets. 00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:45.680 And uh she said, Yeah, not good. 00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:48.400 So I gave her access to my phone with the face scan. 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:53.039 I mean, I don't know if that was smart, but uh from the financial standpoint it was smart. 00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:58.000 Um, and then I told her, hey, come on, let's open up the tangent app, do it by your own. 00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:06.880 And when we opened the tangent app with my face scan, after I entered her face scan to the general system of my iPhone. 00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:22.640 I mean, it doesn't matter if it's iPhone or Android system, the Tangem app said, Hey, we figured out, you added a new face to the system, and we want you to scan every single card plus your PIN to confirm that you are still the owner. 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:27.039 I mean, the system is so smart, and our developers did such a great job. 00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:30.640 I'm every time when I figure that out, it really stuns me. 00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:54.160 Yeah, well, it it's like in one of our safes for for my what for my main wallets, like I have an envelope, I have directions in there, it's got a card from a couple of the wallets, and that way um like my wife would be able to just open up that wallet and go through the process and and be able to grab whatever was there. 00:26:54.559 --> 00:27:07.440 And so again, it goes back to the simplicity of Tanjium, and that if something happens to you know, one of you or myself, uh our wives are gonna be able to be able to be able to access it. 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:23.440 Yeah, because that's kind of one of the big missing pieces of really like these hardware solutions is uh you could you could have a ton of money, you know, a ton in Bitcoin on one of these cold wallets, but if if nobody else knows how to get into it, then uh you know it's gonna be stuck there forever. 00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:24.640 You do a big favorite. 00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:27.759 Yeah. 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:30.480 Yeah, I definitely don't want that to happen. 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:38.000 Um I'd kind of like to move on to just some uh just one general question about tangent visa pay. 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:42.240 And um and then we can just kind of wing it from there. 00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:51.359 But so I I've been using the the tangent visa pay, the virtual tangent uh pay card for now, probably about two months. 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:52.880 And I I love it. 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:54.960 It is so simple, it's so easy. 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:59.279 I just use it as a prepaid, it's I set it up as my Apple Pay. 00:27:59.920 --> 00:28:18.720 And if I want to top it up, I just go, I just go into the wallet on my the tangent wallet on my phone and I hit top up, and it asks me to enter the passphrase and swipe either my ring or one of the cards, and I can top it up with$10,$20,000,$2,000, whatever you want. 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:29.599 Um, and then it's my Apple Pay, one of my Apple Pays, and then it's it's a Visa card, which works at like$120 million points of sales around the world, wherever Visa works. 00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:34.400 And so I've bought coffee with it, dinner with it, paid for movies, all of that. 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:37.839 And so it's it's awesome and I love it. 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:48.400 But in terms of security, I think that's one thing where people, when they attach it, because the perception is you're attaching it to one of your tangent wallets. 00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:54.240 So I think people have a general question of like how how secure is that, how private is that? 00:28:54.640 --> 00:29:04.480 And could you just sort of provide the highlights on what's actually happening behind the scenes between these two, the tangent wallet and your tangent pay card? 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:05.839 Oh, yeah, for sure. 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:14.400 So, first of all, you need to understand with setting up the tangent pay account, you're gonna do a KYC completely with Visa. 00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:17.680 We don't know you, we got no clue who you are. 00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:24.240 The only thing that we are doing is we share the functions for the Tangent Pay app in our app. 00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:26.799 So we're using the same user interface, nothing more. 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:32.079 They're not grabbing your information that are already on the wallet, it's just a separate process. 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:43.920 So, what you also do with setting up your

tangent uh visa pay, tangent pay is you create a software wallet inside the tangent pay. 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:49.200 So, what you could do from every other hardware wallet is the tangent wallet on your phone. 00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:57.200 You can directly send and swap any asset, cross chain swap or USDC on Polygon or anything else. 00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:10.799 And you can also send from every other hardware wallet or software wallet or even from an exchange USDC on Polygon Network directly to your Tangum Visa pay card. 00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:14.000 So you don't have to use Tangem if you don't have to use it. 00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:19.279 If you got maybe some dollars hanging around on an exchange, you can send it directly to the Tangent Visa account. 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:20.640 That's good, that's great. 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:28.400 Um, and again, both informations, or I'm gonna say both parties, Visa and Tangem, are working together, but they're not sharing information. 00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:35.039 So you still got the same quality of uh security, quality of life, and uh also uh privacy level. 00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:37.359 What you got with the tangent wallet by your own. 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:46.880 Uh we made it much easier for the customer so you don't need to send your money somewhere else, swap it into fiat, then get it to your bank account, and then you can spend it. 00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:54.480 We just eliminated all the stuff in the middle, secure costs, make it much quicker and more secure without losing any assets. 00:30:54.720 --> 00:31:00.480 So, yeah, tension pay is just the quick and dirty way to spend your cryptos. 00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:02.480 Yeah, absolutely. 00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:03.519 And it is so easy. 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:07.519 I I remember the uh I I think I had it for like a day. 00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:16.000 And I happened to be traveling, and I was in Southeast Asia, and I was I was in line to buy coffee at a uh at a cafe in Bangkok. 00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:20.640 And I looked at my Tanjian Pay Visa card and it only had like three dollars or something on it. 00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:24.640 So I'm sitting there in line and I actually topped up while I was in line. 00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:30.079 And and and so by the time I ordered, I you know, nobody knew any better. 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.559 I just did the Apple Pay and it was so easy. 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:37.119 And I was like, and I I had I had it less than 24 hours at that point. 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:38.319 So that's how easy it is. 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.880 I also love the fact that it is it is uh prepaid. 00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:50.799 And so if somebody were to steal your credentials, then you you know, max you would only be able to lose whatever you prepaid into it. 00:31:51.039 --> 00:32:04.079 Um now if somebody got a hold of your visa, your tangent paid visa credentials, because it is a prepaid card, then let's say they went and tried to

spend thousands of dollars, but you only had a hundred dollars left in there. 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:06.720 I mean, it's not gonna pull from your tangent wallets, right? 00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:16.319 It's it's completely separate, has no connection in that sense, and so it's totally off in the corner, it's not connected to your tangent wallets. 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:17.119 Correct. 00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:20.799 It's it's a bidirectional autoband, what you got there. 00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:31.359 You can send money to the tangent um pay wallet address, and you can withdraw your cryptos also if you say, Hey, I just need that money back, maybe to spend something. 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:43.759 But there is no way that the tangent uh that the tangent pay card, so the Visa card, just automatically or directly or by a process, uh, just withdraw assets from any of your wallets. 00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:45.839 It's just a triggered process. 00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:54.880 What do you need to sign if you use your tangent card again with your tangent card to to uh tap to your phone and tap to your phone and sign the transactions uh transaction? 00:32:54.960 --> 00:33:00.559 If you don't do that, there is no way you can send any money from a tangent account directly to the tangent pay. 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:01.759 Here's the funny thing. 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:12.160 Um, most likely, I mean for sure, if they got the uh CCV code, if they got the number, uh if they get hold of that, they can probably copy the card. 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:17.920 That's all they could do, but only by finding your phone or uh stealing it. 00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:21.039 There's no way you they can use the tangent pay. 00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:26.079 Again, it's secured with your biometrics and all the other stuff. 00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:42.079 And if you maybe set up your tangent card on a new phone, if you lost the old one or you get rid of it, or it's yeah, it's obsolete, um, then it automatically drags up your tangent pay card as well uh as it was on the previous phone. 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:43.839 So that's also quite your life feature. 00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:46.559 You don't need to set it up again, do the KYC again. 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:57.359 It's just linked to your tangent app with your tangent account, um, but not with any data exchanges or uh swapping or any information backwards or forwards. 00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.559 I think there's also like a freeze toggle on there as well. 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:09.840 So I think you can freeze it, and then when you need to use it, you can unfreeze it, use it, freeze it afterwards, and then you don't have to worry about anything at that point. 00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:27.840 Um, sort of a the bigger picture, one of the things that I love about why why I recommend Tangium is because you're not a hardware, because I can't see like uh like a Ledger Trezor, these other hardware wallets doing this sort of Visa virtual card. 00:34:28.079

--> 00:34:38.400 Um because I've and and and maybe I'm not thinking of it correctly, but I can see Tangent, Tangium's kind of like becoming my bank in one sense. 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:48.320 Sort of uh sort of a sovereign bank, the fact that it is so it's it's software-based with the tangent pay and the the mobile and the mobile app that's on my phone. 00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:53.679 Um anything I said there, like have any truth to it? 00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:57.920 Like where do you think Tangem is going to be in like five years? 00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:17.760 So that's a very nice idea, but from the perspective right now, uh mid of 2026, um I think there is there there is not an idea or the way or the wish that Tangium might become some kind of a validator, some kind of a bank or let me say liquidity provider. 00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:30.079 We are very good in building the best and the most secure hardware wallet in the world, uh, and what's also by far the most user-friendliest one, what we what we figured out so far. 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:32.079 And this is something we could do very good. 00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:50.239 What we want to make sure is that we create really a seamless experience for everyone who wants to dive deeper into crypto, who wants to do self-custody, who really would love to make the next step from hey, I bought assets on an exchange, what should I do now? 00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:54.800 Go self-custody, uh, spend the assets uh directly, you know. 00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:57.760 Uh go go go to the next step, you know. 00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:00.559 Um, I think this is our core strategy. 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:06.800 But again, uh, if time comes, maybe we figure out that uh some other items might become more attractive. 00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:07.840 That could happen. 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:12.000 Uh I don't know so far, but again, mid of 2026 right now. 00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:14.719 I don't see that, or I don't think that there are plans. 00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:35.360 What we're gonna do is we're figuring out new form factors of uh how the wallet works, uh how we could integrate it into life, um, new features, uh, what the community needs, wants, and asks for, uh, new networks um and new ways um to make it more secure, better, and even more user-friendly. 00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:39.679 So I I I I I think that's all I can say to that right now. 00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:40.400 Okay. 00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:48.159 Well, at least at least today, for those people that are watching, and and because there's a lot of people out there that always ask the question like, can I live off of crypto? 00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:49.920 Can I travel off of crypto? 00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:56.000 If I if I were to fly to you know Bali, Indonesia, could I you know use my Bitcoin there? 00:36:56.159 --> 00:37:03.119 I mean, the closest thing to this, to achieving this, to me is the tangent solution with the tangent pay. 00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:13.840 And you basically can convert whatever crypto you have into the cryptos that work on, you know, like USDT, for example, that work on Tangent Pay. 00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:18.320 You can convert it, you can buy airline tickets, you can do everything you want with the Visa Pay. 00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:34.000 And so uh for those of you that uh desire that, to me, Tangium is the uh the best solution that sort of at least pulls together uh the aspects of being able to live off of crypto into on under one brand. 00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:43.039 Um is there anything in terms of like current features that maybe are worth mentioning that maybe we haven't covered yet? 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:47.280 So we have talked last time about the multi-wallets. 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:56.719 So you got one tangent card set, but only one Bitcoin address, one Ethereum address, one BNB address, or many other uh layer ones. 00:37:56.960 --> 00:38:07.039 What we really integrated, I would not say recently, but a couple of months ago, what was highly asked from the community, but not very simple to integrate was multiple wallets. 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:36.880 So what you could do right now within your Tangem app, within your Tangem account, you can set up a second, third, fourth, fifth Bitcoin address, or hundredth Bitcoin address, or Ethereum address to maybe separate your assets a little bit, you know, like just a HUDL wallet for you, or a saving wallet for your wife, or I don't know, a holiday wallet for next holiday, um, and separate that all with separate wallet addresses. 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:50.079 It all got their the same private key, what you created with a Huddle wallet, but it all linked to different um public keys, what allows you to separate a little bit better and also sort it much better. 00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:52.000 That is something I really would love to highlight. 00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:56.719 And another cool feature what we launched, I think two and a half months ago is smart gas. 00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:09.760 So for all of you who just experienced, I would say four years ago, you just wanna send tether from your hardware wallet to your exchange because you want to buy something. 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:12.639 You know, what do you have to have as well? 00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:17.039 Yes, the layer one on tether on that tether um operates. 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:18.159 For example, Ethereum. 00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:21.360 You got tether on Ethereum network on ESD20. 00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:25.119 You also need Ethereum, and that could be a pain. 00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:31.760 So you need to go to the exchange, buy it first Ethereum, send it to your Tangent wallet or your hardware wallet, and then send it to the exchange. 00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:33.280 So totally goofy. 00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:45.119 What Tangum did right now, and I think this is one of the most incredible steps, um, what brings mass adoption and simplicity uh in using hardware wallets forward, is that

smart gas update. 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:53.119 So what it does, it grabs the gas fee directly from Tether, and you don't need Ethereum anymore. 00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:54.239 And this is smart. 00:39:54.400 --> 00:40:07.440 I mean, it sounds not big, but honestly, everyone who just have had that issue wanna send something quick, want to do something quick, and figure it out, oh, I don't get a gas fee, is smiling right now because they know what I'm talking about. 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:09.599 This is something really, really great, what I love. 00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:19.360 Uh, we got it not rolled out on every network, but a lot of networks, like I think all the ERC uh EVM compatible networks that are integrated right now, and some more. 00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.800 Um, but figure it out and you will see it, and it's really amazing. 00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:28.880 And yeah, some I may say a sneak peek to some future uh topics. 00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:35.920 We have a new wearable coming out, what also the community requested a lot of times. 00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:41.199 Uh it's not 100% new, but it will become a very big impact. 00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:45.119 Something what our engineers did and a fabulous job. 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:50.559 Uh what I did never expect it, and whatever I whenever someone asked me to that, I said it's impossible. 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:51.599 But they did it. 00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:53.199 So be prepared. 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:54.239 Uh, you will love it. 00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:55.760 I I promise you, you will love it. 00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:57.039 And it looks great. 00:40:57.519 --> 00:40:58.800 All right, awesome, awesome. 00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:06.800 And then one thing before I forget, you know, since I've recommended to people that they get multiple wallets, I'd also recommend that you get different designs for each wallet. 00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:07.679 Oh, yeah. 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:14.079 And and sometimes if you go to the Tangum website, you can they have all kinds of different designs. 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.239 I might have like a short-term design you can get. 00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:23.599 They've got a stealth card, and and and sometimes a particular design will be like another 5% off or 10% off. 00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:36.159 So you can use the Fani code, you can combine that with whatever promo the Tangent may be running directly, and then you might be able to get another discount with a specific uh design that's that's uh on sale. 00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:49.840 And the reason I say you want to get different designs because nothing will make your heart skip a beat, then you're trying to use a card and log into a wallet and you can't get in because you forgot that you've got you know the same design. 00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:57.039 And so um if if I were to go back, the only thing I would change about my tangent is two of the five wallets are the same design. 00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:06.719 Yeah, so I would I my heart was skipping a beat uh uh one one time when I was trying to use the wrong card to to get in. 00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:13.599 Maybe, maybe, maybe a little bit, a little bit rookie, but uh, I mean, this is how I sort my different wallets. 00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:18.159 I got D2, D3, D4, D6 sticker on it. 00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:23.679 So I know it's David 6, so this is my my way how to sort because I got the same problem. 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:28.480 Uh uh like I told you, I got multiple wallets and uh I couldn't get hold of all the different designs. 00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:29.280 I love the DC. 00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:43.760 That's what I did is I put stickers on um that card so that I wouldn't and one of the things too is that I wanted to demonstrate um how to set up the tangent wallet because somebody near me or I I I convinced them to buy, and they're like, hey, can you show me? 00:42:44.000 --> 00:43:07.360 And they and theirs was going to arrive in that two days later, and so I took them through the process, and I have this brand new uh set this uh new wallet, and I unwrapped it and I set it up in front of them, and then I took it home, and then so I wanted to delete it, and then so I could reset it up brand new, and because they saw like you know the passcode and everything they're practicing with it, so I wanted to delete it. 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:16.000 So it happened to be one that was the same pattern as another wallet, and so there I was sort of uh thinking, oh my god, I hope I don't delete the wrong one. 00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:19.360 And and so yeah, just get the get the separate wallets. 00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:23.199 You you will not care about the design, just get whatever's like the cheapest price. 00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:30.800 In the end, six months from now, you're not gonna care whether it's got an American flag on or uh you know Bitcoin, but you just make sure that they're separate. 00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:34.480 Uh I think we've covered you know pretty much everything that I wanted to cover. 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:38.719 Is there anything that we could have missed that or that you'd want to answer? 00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:43.760 Just I could talk for another two hours on that, but you know what? 00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:44.960 Let's let's do that. 00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:50.880 Um Grab Grab uh let's ask the community what what what what questions you got with Tandrum? 00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:53.519 What is what is maybe your topics you love about? 00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:55.280 What is maybe a big question sign? 00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:58.719 What maybe prevents you from getting a tandem wallet? 00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:03.360 I know we have a lot of critics uh regarding display or regarding privacy. 00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:06.159 I think we covered a lot regarding the display and the privacy as well. 00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:11.039 But if you have any uncertainties or fears, please feel free to drop that in the comments

below. 00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:22.000 And uh I'm I'm more than happy, Mark, uh, if you would love to invite us again um to maybe do a follow-up and uh maybe we could do some kind of a giveaway to the most critical question. 00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:24.880 We may we make a nice gift from Tangium. 00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:25.840 Absolutely. 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:34.320 I've done I've done two give giveaways on Tangent Wallet already in the last year, and uh and so I was already thinking that maybe we'd do another one. 00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:40.639 So anybody who's listened to this, subscribe to our channel, and in the next couple weeks, I'll but I'll tell you what, I'm gonna do a tangent giveaway. 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:42.480 We're gonna give a wallet to somebody. 00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:46.239 Um, and we'll do that on a on a maybe off of one of the shorts. 00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:52.320 We'll we'll produce some shorts out of this, and maybe off one of those we can we can add in a tangent giveaway. 00:44:52.400 --> 00:45:01.199 And and uh anyone, if anyone uses the Afani promo code, basically what we do with the anything that we would get from that is we just give it away. 00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:03.840 We just and we'll just do giveaways on that. 00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:08.480 So David, I'd really appreciate you coming back on and spending the time with us. 00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:16.719 And uh I think yeah, like maybe six months, eight months from now, when when there's a couple new updates with Tangem, I'd love to have you back on. 00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:19.280 And I'm looking forward to this new form factor. 00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:21.840 I did not think that I would care about the ring that much. 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.920 The the reason I got the ring is because I wanted to do a video on it. 00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:29.760 And the first time I thought, like, okay, well, I'm not gonna wear this. 00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:45.199 And and but now that I've used the ring many times, I love the fact that I can just put it on and walk around the house, walk around, uh, go walk the dog and do all of that, and and I can just have that on me. 00:45:45.360 --> 00:46:04.079 I don't normally wear it out in the public, but um it's just so handy to have that, to be able to access this you know burner wallet that I look at you know and do things with all the time because I'm typically sending things in or out, swapping uh not too often, but enough to where sometimes having that ring is just so nice. 00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:08.159 And and uh so I look forward to this new form factor. 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:10.079 But it was awesome having you on. 00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:14.159 Thanks again for your time, and uh we'll have you back on in the near future. 00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:15.599 Thank you so many, Mark. 00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:16.880 Uh thank you so much, Mark. 00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:18.559 I really appreciate being on the show again. 00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:20.719 And thank you very much for everyone who's watching. 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.519 Again, feel free to drop uh any comments, any questions below. 00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:25.119 We're more than happy to answer that. 00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:28.719 Uh, we will also watch uh the video after that and take a look if we can answer any questions. 00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:31.199 If not, feel free to also join our socials. 00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:33.039 Uh on Telegram, we're very, very strong. 00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:36.880 We got multiple different languages uh uh available in different channels. 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.039 Uh Discord server is also very big. 00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:45.199 Uh and also feel free to reach out to our tangent support by email or by website if you have any uh uncertainties or questions. 00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:47.119 And again, thank you very much for having us. 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.239 Uh we're looking forward to just come back and have a year.