Be Inspired in Your Homeschooling with Jennifer Pepito의 전체 녹취록

does feel like a season like I loved homeschooling we did a lot of project-based learning 01:50.905 --> 01:52.126 [SPEAKER_01]: I love being with my kids. 01:52.166 --> 02:04.737 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the field trips and the water color painting and the reading allowed and it was a very grievous thing for me to have to ease out of that because my youngest is a 17 year old man and he's working and the time 02:06.198 --> 02:09.840 [SPEAKER_01]: for me to do all those fun home-schooly things with him is pretty much over. 02:10.400 --> 02:13.061 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I just loved it. 02:13.141 --> 02:15.082 [SPEAKER_01]: It was fantastic, but it is over. 02:15.202 --> 02:16.262 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it was a season. 02:16.463 --> 02:20.884 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think mom's listening, you know, thinking, maybe it would just be even a shorter season. 02:20.904 --> 02:28.948 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a mom would just do it for elementary school, or just do it for, you know, for a season of their education, it really does go fast. 02:29.088 --> 02:32.529 [SPEAKER_01]: And the memories we made are so precious and have really shaped our family. 02:32.649 --> 02:33.490 [SPEAKER_02]: That's incredible. 02:33.930 --> 02:46.914 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I want to just point to your book for a second because I love learning about famous people or people who have been inventors or have had big impact on the world and the ones that we're actually homeschooled. 02:47.274 --> 02:49.594 [SPEAKER_02]: That's actually been a huge encouragement to me. 02:49.754 --> 02:53.996 [SPEAKER_02]: Even when I was a young mom, I got this, it was a lamplighter book called Mother's of Famous Men. 02:54.376 --> 02:58.677 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you've ever seen it, but it's, it was written a long time ago and, 02:59.675 --> 03:05.858 [SPEAKER_02]: It just highlights men who were homeschooled over the years like George Washington, a blanket, different people. 03:05.878 --> 03:14.001 [SPEAKER_02]: And that to me was incredibly inspiring because one of the biggest things I felt was a lie that I struggled with was I'm not good enough. 03:14.081 --> 03:17.183 [SPEAKER_02]: Or I never got a teacher's degree at college. 03:17.203 --> 03:19.304 [SPEAKER_02]: And so what am I doing, teaching my kids? 03:19.684 --> 03:28.448 [SPEAKER_02]: And people when we first started, there were different people that would say things, whether it was socialization or how are you gonna do high school math or how are you gonna do that 03:29.918 --> 03:36.704 [SPEAKER_02]: because I love history, I love writing and reading, but then when it comes to, you know, stuff like science has not really my big jam. 03:36.924 --> 03:40.046 [SPEAKER_02]: I like it, but it's not like, oh, let's do a science experiment. 03:40.186 --> 03:41.908 [SPEAKER_02]: That sounds messy, you know? 03:42.548 --> 03:52.836 [SPEAKER_02]: And so reading about people who were famous and had gone before made an impact in the world and that their home

education didn't ruin them, wasn't encouraging. 03:53.697 --> 03:58.161 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's largely, you have highlighted so many people in your book. 03:59.095 --> 04:01.057 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think it is really encouraging, isn't it? 04:01.117 --> 04:07.762 [SPEAKER_01]: Because a lot of people look at homeschooling as if it's this experiment, like, oh, you know, not something normal way to do things. 04:07.802 --> 04:11.204 [SPEAKER_01]: But historically, history was the way of doing things. 04:11.325 --> 04:17.609 [SPEAKER_01]: And so when you look at most of the really impactful people in history, they were homeschooled, at least part of the time. 04:17.649 --> 04:22.813 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, even CS Lewis, I include him in the book, because he was homeschooled by his mother for a little bit in the early years. 04:23.254 --> 04:27.017 [SPEAKER_01]: And then in high school, he was taught, you know, one-on-one with a tutor. 04:28.798 --> 04:44.244 [SPEAKER_01]: staying with this tutor being mentored by the tutor on his wife and so you know there's just so much power in that kind of teaching where you're a little bit more one-on-one or maybe you're one-on-five or one-on-nine in your case but there's a lot more personalized attention. 04:44.664 --> 04:46.765 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot more guidance available. 04:46.785 --> 04:55.089 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot more conversation like you know my children all scored really well on the SAT tests but I think in large part it was all the reading we did and all the talking we did like 04:58.710 --> 05:05.576 [SPEAKER_01]: so much as a family and reading so much that it gave them an understanding of words in their meanings. 05:06.437 --> 05:07.318 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I know what you mean. 05:07.658 --> 05:19.168 [SPEAKER_02]: For us we did classical conversations for eight years and I know your big Charlotte Mason fan, I am as well and so we were always supplementing and we had done Charlotte Mason method curriculums when the kids were all younger. 05:19.669 --> 05:24.353 [SPEAKER_02]: But for those eight years a kid there was a heavy emphasis on Latin and logic and things like that and so 05:25.061 --> 05:31.591 [SPEAKER_02]: The same kind of thing, when my kids would go to take the ACT or the SAT, they were just cranking out numbers that were astronomical. 05:31.672 --> 05:39.043 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, when you ask them why is that, they're like, well, I know how to break down the root of a word and make an educated guess on what the definition is, and it was like, 05:39.453 --> 05:40.013 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, okay. 05:40.033 --> 05:42.294 [SPEAKER_02]: So that came from Latin and breaking down those words. 05:42.374 --> 05:45.216 [SPEAKER_02]: And so a lot of times parents say they're like, well, why would you do Latin? 05:45.256 --> 05:46.156 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a dead language. 05:46.356 --> 05:47.216 [SPEAKER_02]: For example, right? 05:47.336 --> 05:57.601 [SPEAKER_02]: It did help in that

regard, but I do think that there's an element of like just historical relevance and really impressing upon your child the importance of history. 05:58.181 --> 06:01.402 [SPEAKER_02]: Because history repeats itself if we don't know history. 06:01.602 --> 06:01.962 [SPEAKER_02]: Right? 06:01.982 --> 06:02.523 [SPEAKER_01]: It's true. 06:03.343 --> 06:04.283 [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's absolutely true. 06:04.303 --> 06:08.865 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm blown away Angie looking at history repeat itself in America. 06:08.925 --> 06:14.987 [SPEAKER_01]: I read a book called I think it's called a single tear and it was about a Chinese intellectual 06:15.647 --> 06:24.471 [SPEAKER_01]: who was being educated in the United States, but then he went back to China around the time of the Chinese Revolution, so he could be a part of bringing communism to China. 06:24.751 --> 06:29.933 [SPEAKER_01]: And so he's there working with the communists and still gets arrested and thrown in a work camp. 06:30.294 --> 06:38.057 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they were just like the intellectuals here, were they're canzing everybody if they don't, like they're so suspicious or cancing everybody. 06:38.077 --> 06:42.599 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like watching the news today the way they dealt with this guy. 06:44.780 --> 06:57.666 [SPEAKER_01]: we're too much this way or you have this in your past or you know just like the suspicion the outing people, the social ostrization like it was so an exact replica of what they did in the Chinese revolution. 06:57.726 --> 07:00.627 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know like are the people in charge of the universities today? 07:00.767 --> 07:03.868 [SPEAKER_01]: Did they go to China and study like what do they know how to do this? 07:04.349 --> 07:07.070 [SPEAKER_01]: And if they did go to China and study, wouldn't they know? 07:07.650 --> 07:32.333 [SPEAKER_01]: that is actually a really oppressive terrible system that really like because you think about in America a lot of the same people who are sort of pushing communism also care a lot about human rights, generally mean and so I don't understand except for that is demonic oppression, I don't understand how they come to the conclusion that communism would be a good idea when in every in every country where it's been tried it's resulted in poverty and misery for the people. 07:32.433 --> 07:43.576 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we even see it now today with the textbooks in America and different politicians legislation trying to rewrite history, trying to literally change the narrative of what's going on. 07:43.776 --> 07:47.578 [SPEAKER_02]: It was written about the past and to teach the next generation, right? 07:47.598 --> 07:49.698 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, we, there's been a controversial movement. 07:49.738 --> 07:56.700 [SPEAKER_02]: People trying to take the Holocaust out of history textbooks within the public education system, especially over on the East Coast and in the South. 07:56.720 --> 07:58.581 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, to me, that's just, 07:59.192 --> 08:07.195 [SPEAKER_02]: it's shocking because there's so much that we need to learn from that so that it doesn't repeat itself again and then what do we see happening today? 08:07.675 --> 08:17.278 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like the sheer amount of hatred towards people groups is I think it's worse today than it was even 100 years ago. 08:17.638 --> 08:19.259 [SPEAKER_02]: The problem is that there's 08:19.846 --> 08:23.568 [SPEAKER_02]: so many of the young people are being deceived into thinking this is the right way of thinking. 08:23.788 --> 08:24.348 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what I mean? 08:24.668 --> 08:25.508 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely. 08:25.588 --> 08:29.890 [SPEAKER_01]: And just a real lack of virtue being taught by authorities. 08:30.070 --> 08:40.755 [SPEAKER_01]: There's been for a long time, this idea that the elders don't really know they're doing that there's been a lot of sort of tearing down institutions. 08:41.635 --> 09:08.557 [SPEAKER_01]: to saying that all the founding fathers were racist and bigots or saying that all the church leaders are sexual abusers like really tearing down every institution saying that dads are all abusive, you know, just tearing down institutions and so then it leaves people very unmoored from traditional virtue and it makes it hard for them to make decisions or to treat people with respect and so then you get schools where they're afraid to confront anybody because there's nothing you can do your hands are completely tied like 09:08.937 --> 09:11.378 [SPEAKER_01]: parents aren't training their children in virtue. 09:11.719 --> 09:16.861 [SPEAKER_01]: The schools aren't allowed to enforce any kind of discipline or enforce any kind of structure. 09:16.901 --> 09:18.142 [SPEAKER_01]: And so you just have a free fall. 09:18.342 --> 09:23.705 [SPEAKER_02]: It's weird that you say that in regards to discipline for school systems, right? 09:23.725 --> 09:32.730 [SPEAKER_02]: Because one of the things that we're seeing rising is a defense for the not the victim, but a defense for the bully in that sense, right? 09:33.050 --> 09:35.412 [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas like, oh, well, the, but the bully has rights. 09:35.892 --> 09:36.632 [SPEAKER_02]: They have rights. 09:36.712 --> 09:37.013 [SPEAKER_02]: And so 09:37.978 --> 09:47.181 [SPEAKER_02]: holding back of actual discipline, so there's no consequences for treating someone poorly and then we wonder why they're doing what they're doing in their 20s, right? 09:47.301 --> 09:53.322 [SPEAKER_02]: And so there's also a huge issue in today's society with fatherless children, right? 09:53.362 --> 09:58.424 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean divorce rates have always they've been high for a long time, you know, in the 60s and 70 percent. 09:59.383 --> 10:01.805 [SPEAKER_02]: But I would say even more now than ever. 10:02.025 --> 10:06.169 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, my youngest is five and we do home school, but we're still in the world.

10:06.189 --> 10:06.910 [SPEAKER_02]: We're just not of it. 10:07.050 --> 10:08.471 [SPEAKER_02]: And so we meet people and 10:09.078 --> 10:16.724 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm thankful that we have a lot of strong families in our church, but divorce is rampant everywhere else. 10:16.944 --> 10:21.888 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just it's a big problem and kids are not growing up with having authority in their life. 10:21.928 --> 10:26.011 [SPEAKER_02]: So then how do they even respect authority when they're put in a position where they're supposed to, right? 10:26.251 --> 10:28.092 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot of things that have changed. 10:28.192 --> 10:33.996 [SPEAKER_02]: And I actually think that there is a rise in homeschooling because of these changes that we're talking about, right? 10:34.237 --> 10:35.297 [SPEAKER_02]: People are waking up. 10:35.457 --> 10:36.058 [SPEAKER_02]: They're seeing 10:36.616 --> 10:47.671 [SPEAKER_02]: what's happening in the world, they want their kids to be able to stand firm, they understand that they're going to need to work a little bit harder for their kids to be equipped to actually thrive in this world, right? 10:47.871 --> 10:50.154 [SPEAKER_02]: But there's a need for community within that. 10:50.768 --> 10:51.769 [SPEAKER_02]: because it's hard. 10:51.789 --> 10:56.572 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you want to share a little bit about that because I know you host a big community of like-minded moms. 10:56.812 --> 11:01.775 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is really tragic and you that it's hard for people to find that community in person. 11:01.795 --> 11:05.317 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, you guys, where you are, you be able to find a lot of people. 11:05.477 --> 11:12.802 [SPEAKER_01]: But there are moms in my community who don't really have another homeschool friend or they don't necessarily have like-minded moms in their local community. 11:12.822 --> 11:18.105 [SPEAKER_01]: And so in the restoration home, we actually focus on like one virtue a month and some habits that really help us. 11:18.365 --> 11:42.248 [SPEAKER_01]: kind of implement and curate that virtue and some of those habits are a connection because I think often our children are misbehaving partly because you know we're not giving them a good intention like our phones are so pervasive mothers today we're all struggling with a lot of self involvement like it's been taught as a virtue almost to be like take care of you and put on your own oxygen mask and so a lot of moms are having a hard time attuning to their own 11:43.509 --> 12:01.724 [SPEAKER_01]: looking them in the eyes, giving them a hug and so some of the habits that we work on are just habits that help us really bond with our family members because if you are bonded, if you're have healthy attachments, for one thing, it results in more responsible behavior from the children in your home, but it also helps with the atmosphere of the home. 12:01.744 --> 12:04.546 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, bonding, hugging people, looking them in the eyes, 12:04.966 --> 12:19.417 [SPEAKER_01]: talking together releases serotonin releases these these bonding hormones that help us be more empathetic then and be and have more wisdom because often like for instance say you have a son who's like picking on his sister during school time. 12:20.137 --> 12:27.326 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you could label that child a little sinful misgrain, or you could wonder, like, what is underneath this behavior? 12:27.746 --> 12:29.508 [SPEAKER_01]: Did that child get a decent breakfast? 12:29.529 --> 12:31.571 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, did they get some protein in their body before breakfast? 12:32.072 --> 12:36.337 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm, does that child like a lot of times I've found with boys they need a little extra? 12:36.657 --> 12:44.183 [SPEAKER_01]: physical input like they need more hugs or they need dad to rest with them or they need to go out and haul a load of wood like they need that you know kind of physical intensity. 12:44.263 --> 13:01.817 [SPEAKER_01]: And if they don't have that they will like they'll pinch a sister or something just to get slugged because they need that impact and I'm not saying to the that anybody should be slugging their kids it's just if you give them a big hug or if you do like you know we should do steam roller smash I'd have all the kids lay on the floor and I'd roll over them and then they'd roll back as just this funny thing. 13:02.197 --> 13:11.479 [SPEAKER_01]: But for boys that deep like proprioception, that deep impact, physical impact or that deep physical pressure kind of is really helpful for their bodies that help some settle down. 13:11.499 --> 13:14.519 [SPEAKER_01]: And so sometimes we're treating things as misbehavior. 13:14.539 --> 13:24.421 [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, you know, if they pinch their sister, there's discipline, but if you're tuned to your children, then you'll do the things ahead of time that make those discipline issues go away. 13:24.821 --> 13:26.061 [SPEAKER_01]: Same with consistent habits. 13:26.441 --> 13:30.282 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just sitting there and going, okay, so I'm seeing this trend with my child. 13:30.918 --> 13:36.029 [SPEAKER_02]: and what is going to help him to not get to that place and being proactive about meeting there. 13:36.089 --> 13:41.199 [SPEAKER_02]: We call those the nurture needs and there's a need for us as parents to really 13:42.360 --> 14:05.263 [SPEAKER_02]: To get just as we have needs ourselves, our children are just little mini adults because they're humans and they have the same needs that we have but but they also have more needs and a lot of times parents don't spend the time with their kids to even know them to study them well enough to know that's what you're kind of talking about is like understand like boys are different from girls, but then there's also the element of different kids are different from other siblings. 14:06.044 --> 14:12.389 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, when you

actually study them, which takes time, right, it takes time being with them, to actually study them. 14:12.989 --> 14:18.473 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's one of the benefits of homeschooling is that you have that time to see them in many different scenarios. 14:18.793 --> 14:32.383 [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't want to say catch them and send, but to be able to observe and to see where they're strong, where they need extra help, how you can actually be that nurturer, because that's what the definition is. 14:32.967 --> 14:36.150 [SPEAKER_02]: that's gonna give them what they need so that they can succeed and thrive. 14:36.790 --> 14:42.896 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just sad to me because I know, like the first 10 years I was parenting, there were no cell phones slash social media. 14:43.076 --> 14:47.860 [SPEAKER_02]: And so that was a huge benefit and I have this like standard in my head of what that used to look like. 14:48.341 --> 14:52.224 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm pretty good at disciplining myself to not struggle. 14:52.264 --> 14:57.589 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I just don't have that pole to get on social media, like a lot of moms talk about. 14:58.208 --> 15:03.830 [SPEAKER_02]: And I would imagine that if they grew up with cell phones, right, like the millennials, they had cell phones in their teenage years. 15:04.070 --> 15:07.472 [SPEAKER_02]: And then they just went right into marriage and parenting, having cell phones. 15:07.752 --> 15:10.193 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a different kind of lifestyle. 15:10.653 --> 15:11.494 [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, it's a habit. 15:11.554 --> 15:14.775 [SPEAKER_02]: You have a book about habits, sacred habits. 15:15.515 --> 15:23.218 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that there is, there has become a habit that all people, especially in America, they all have these phones, AKA distractions. 15:23.598 --> 15:32.842 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I think, like for me, I have one habit that I do to help myself stay focused on homeschool and that's put my phone in my bedroom or put it in my bathroom. 15:32.902 --> 15:33.822 [SPEAKER_02]: Not even near me. 15:34.302 --> 15:35.985 [SPEAKER_02]: for those few hours where I'm focusing. 15:36.445 --> 15:44.397 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have other habits that you share with homeschool moms that help them to get past that distraction so that they can actually be eye connected to their kids? 15:44.577 --> 15:50.005 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love this question, Angie, because we're actually in the middle of a presence challenge in the restoration home community. 15:50.685 --> 15:58.013 [SPEAKER_01]: where each day for five days, we're giving moms a new prompt because I did this, like I have had an online business for 10 years. 15:58.574 --> 16:02.078 [SPEAKER_01]: And really my business in large part was built through Instagram. 16:02.098 --> 16:03.660 [SPEAKER_01]: Like people found me through Instagram. 16:04.320 --> 16:07.303 [SPEAKER_01]: I started it in some ways on social media. 16:07.323 --> 16:11.108 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's definitely kept me really tied to social media even though 16:11.768 --> 16:21.251 [SPEAKER_01]: my, you know, in many ways, like my dream life is living in a cabin in the woods and having just a little bit more detachment from the online world. 16:21.672 --> 16:25.213 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I, you know, I just launched a book and that's very intense. 16:25.233 --> 16:28.514 [SPEAKER_01]: Like your publishers really want to make sure you're talking about your book online and 16:29.114 --> 16:38.585 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I, you know, getting towards the end of that I took a week off and I just deleted any distracting apps off my phone and I didn't, you know, I didn't throw my phone away. 16:38.605 --> 16:44.211 [SPEAKER_01]: I just deleted the distracting apps off and a lot of them I could still check during my work hours from my computer. 16:44.812 --> 16:46.352 [SPEAKER_01]: But I, I mean, it was amazing. 16:46.372 --> 16:48.493 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I felt more relaxed in my body. 16:48.633 --> 16:49.473 [SPEAKER_01]: I felt happier. 16:49.613 --> 16:51.553 [SPEAKER_01]: I felt more present with myself. 16:51.613 --> 16:54.114 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I'm in a different season than you're like, I don't have young kids. 16:54.154 --> 16:54.774 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm homeschooling. 16:55.254 --> 17:01.576 [SPEAKER_01]: Most of my kids, you know, they need to talk to me, but they don't need like a lot of one-on-one time from me throughout the day. 17:01.696 --> 17:07.357 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I could, like, I could spend a lot of time of social media if I want to, but it doesn't feel good to me in this season, either. 17:07.437 --> 17:12.198 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I have a garden, I love baking, and you know, I just harvest some elderberries. 17:12.878 --> 17:17.860 [SPEAKER_01]: makes them elderberry syrup like there's just so many other things I would love to do that feel so much better. 17:18.040 --> 17:19.881 [SPEAKER_01]: It was amazing doing this present challenge. 17:19.981 --> 17:23.342 [SPEAKER_01]: And there are moms in my community who only have a flip phone. 17:23.402 --> 17:26.703 [SPEAKER_01]: There are moms in my community who only have a wall phone. 17:27.063 --> 17:37.667 [SPEAKER_01]: Like there is this kind of Renaissance in a way of mom saying like, no, I'm not going to give all of my best mothering years to an app that doesn't care about me. 17:37.887 --> 17:44.848 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and it used to be like when we first got on Instagram, you would have a few friends and you'd scroll to the end of your friends and that would be the end of the feed. 17:45.028 --> 17:45.489 [SPEAKER_01]: Journey mean. 17:45.809 --> 17:46.789 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like the television. 17:46.809 --> 17:48.749 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember the television and it used to go off at night. 17:48.929 --> 17:56.231 [SPEAKER_01]: And now like you could never ever ever get to the end of your feed and so much of it is just AI or stuff telling you

need to buy more or do more. 17:56.291 --> 18:02.772 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's so important for mom to curate that that attention with their children because you just won't know what's going on. 18:03.452 --> 18:22.501 [SPEAKER_01]: kids are going through a lot and I've had a few moms in in the last few years I've heard from several moms who've had their children be abused while they're a Bible study or while they're you know just in in a situation where it should be safe during me there were at another homeschool families house it should be safe and yet they find out later that somebody 18:23.041 --> 18:24.603 [SPEAKER_01]: quickly molested their child. 18:24.823 --> 18:32.650 [SPEAKER_01]: If we aren't paying attention, hey, we won't be able to maybe prevent that happening, but also we won't be a safe place for them to talk to is it does happen. 18:32.770 --> 18:35.533 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's, you know, that attenement is so key. 18:36.065 --> 18:37.707 [SPEAKER_02]: It's about building that relationship. 18:37.767 --> 18:43.172 [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually what you're talking about and recognizing that things like a phone can be a distraction from that. 18:44.153 --> 18:47.717 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have it tempered if you aren't disciplined with it. 18:48.238 --> 18:57.507 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that there's, you know, it's interesting because all kids are gonna look at what other kids are doing and then there's gonna be this, there's the comparison trap and that, 18:57.780 --> 18:59.521 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, but so-and-so's friend has won. 18:59.801 --> 19:01.341 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, so-and-so's friend has this. 19:01.701 --> 19:15.225 [SPEAKER_02]: I know that for us, we've kind of like, as far as smartphones go or phones of any kind, it's a needs basis at first, like once they start babysitting or their home alone, or they're gonna be somewhere without us. 19:15.305 --> 19:19.146 [SPEAKER_02]: We want a way for them to contact us, but that doesn't mean they have to have internet on their phone. 19:19.406 --> 19:19.946 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? 19:20.046 --> 19:21.887 [SPEAKER_02]: There are ways that you can get around 19:22.599 --> 19:27.441 [SPEAKER_02]: them having constant access to things that are going to actually trip them up later in life. 19:27.461 --> 19:36.145 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that delayed social media experience is actually a benefit to our kids because it helps them to know the difference. 19:36.185 --> 19:42.688 [SPEAKER_02]: They need to remember what life was like without it to have a standard themselves, like I do, like you do. 19:43.128 --> 19:46.031 [SPEAKER_02]: for what life can look like post Instagram. 19:46.191 --> 19:46.751 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what I mean? 19:46.771 --> 19:50.455 [SPEAKER_02]: And it is interesting how social media has changed. 19:50.495 --> 19:52.797 [SPEAKER_02]: It was much more innocent when it first started. 19:53.217 --> 19:57.481 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure that the

people who were creating it didn't have innocent vision of where it would go. 19:58.750 --> 20:03.555 [SPEAKER_02]: you know, we all thought that this was going to make us more connected and yet people are lonely or than ever. 20:03.976 --> 20:11.724 [SPEAKER_02]: It's an interesting conundrum when you think about homeschooling because moms end up being at home and they can oftentimes struggle with loneliness and feeling isolated. 20:11.964 --> 20:19.953 [SPEAKER_02]: And we all learned during COVID that isolation was one of the schemes of the devil to try to isolate everybody to not have contact with one another and I think that's 20:20.437 --> 20:23.418 [SPEAKER_02]: Why I'm asking you a little bit about community. 20:23.478 --> 20:41.202 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's an interesting, I think people need to be purposeful when they choose to homeschool to find a community that they can be a part of, but they do need to put in the front work proactively to have those strong relationships with their kids so that when they're in situations like a mom group that they are in team like we were saying and they can hopefully, 20:41.972 --> 20:46.673 [SPEAKER_02]: use discernment and wisdom and not put their kids in precarious situations where stuff like that is happening. 20:46.874 --> 20:47.574 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 20:47.654 --> 20:54.016 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think sometimes moms do that because they're afraid to homeschool and that's what I really wanted them to find through the inspired homeschools. 20:54.036 --> 20:54.796 [SPEAKER_01]: Just more courage. 20:54.836 --> 20:56.516 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's not that hard. 20:56.556 --> 20:59.197 [SPEAKER_01]: My daughter, you know, I homeschooled all my children. 20:59.577 --> 21:06.019 [SPEAKER_01]: My daughter got a juris doctorate on decentralized finance, so really complicated subject that I did not teach her. 21:06.119 --> 21:08.320 [SPEAKER_01]: But because we spent so much time reading books, 21:08.800 --> 21:14.623 [SPEAKER_01]: Reading aloud, we had a very, you know, Charlotte made some morning time where we'd read aloud together and talk about what we read. 21:15.023 --> 21:16.264 [SPEAKER_01]: We looked at fine arts. 21:16.364 --> 21:20.506 [SPEAKER_01]: We did math and when we got to the math that we couldn't understand anymore, we got a tutor. 21:20.726 --> 21:25.649 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just really not that hard to equip your children to learn whatever they want to learn. 21:26.309 --> 21:29.891 [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel so sad for moms who are afraid to homeschool. 21:29.911 --> 21:31.812 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they finally take the leap. 21:31.872 --> 21:33.213 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they buy this curriculum. 21:33.233 --> 21:36.935 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just going to like keep everybody working in workbooks for days on end. 21:37.375 --> 21:48.562 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of having just a relationship, reading books together, talking about them, writing or note booking about them, it's very, very simple, very affordable and so much fun. 21:48.902 --> 21:50.603 [SPEAKER_01]: And I want that from more families. 21:50.910 --> 21:51.590 [SPEAKER_02]: No, you're right. 21:51.650 --> 21:52.051 [SPEAKER_02]: It's funny. 21:52.111 --> 21:55.093 [SPEAKER_02]: Someone recently, we started a homeschool co-op at our church. 21:55.153 --> 22:00.336 [SPEAKER_02]: So for those who haven't heard of the cruelly sprinting podcast, Isaac Gett, my husband is a pastor. 22:00.356 --> 22:02.397 [SPEAKER_02]: He normally hosts this podcast with me. 22:03.076 --> 22:06.578 [SPEAKER_02]: And we planted a church in our tiny little hometown here in the hills of Idaho. 22:06.758 --> 22:13.823 [SPEAKER_02]: And then about almost a year in, we started a homeschool co-op because we had eight families ish that homeschooled. 22:14.423 --> 22:18.366 [SPEAKER_02]: And now we have like 16 families that are part of the homeschool. 22:18.406 --> 22:19.346 [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, that was last spring. 22:19.366 --> 22:23.269 [SPEAKER_02]: There might even be more this year because we have like 13 or 14 high schoolers. 22:23.309 --> 22:25.250 [SPEAKER_02]: And then we have 60, I don't even know. 22:25.310 --> 22:29.033 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like between 50 and 52 kids from four to 12. 22:30.057 --> 22:39.042 [SPEAKER_02]: It's insane how it's just grown, but the like-mindedness with families and the coolest part is seeing the dads and then the tightest two men and women in our church teaching things. 22:39.082 --> 22:49.067 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think of that socialization, that part of like in the church, in the context of church relationships where you have background checks, all that kind of stuff for safety, of course. 22:49.471 --> 22:57.060 [SPEAKER_02]: But then there's the relationship being built between moms and dads and that encouragement and the kids are being raised up similarly. 22:57.080 --> 23:06.452 [SPEAKER_02]: It makes such a huge impact to help you keep going and a one really sweet aspect is having those moms that have been like me homes going for a long time. 23:06.875 --> 23:13.159 [SPEAKER_02]: and now have grandkids that are gonna be potentially starting the homeschool co-op next year, along with the first time homeschoolers. 23:13.219 --> 23:17.021 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're asking these questions like, well, how much do you spend on curriculum and I'm like, actually? 23:17.241 --> 23:19.443 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I've bought curriculum for probably 10 years. 23:19.663 --> 23:26.367 [SPEAKER_02]: Because once you get your rhythm down and you see the fruit that comes from it, you don't, what's the point changing it? 23:26.387 --> 23:26.847 [SPEAKER_02]: Why would you? 23:27.308 --> 23:32.291 [SPEAKER_02]: I know that it's important that moms love what they're teaching because it brings a new excitement, right? 23:32.911 --> 23:35.874 [SPEAKER_02]: with books, it's just always exciting. 23:36.034 --> 23:39.156 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's been a really fun way

for me to even redeem my education. 23:39.376 --> 23:44.461 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so shocking to me when I talk to other people they're like, oh, well, did you have a PhD in something? 23:44.481 --> 23:46.783 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh, that's really kind of a small school mom. 23:48.324 --> 23:59.293 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I want my kids to launch here confident that they can have their kids homeschooled and that it doesn't have to be this rigorous academic intense, 24:00.375 --> 24:04.598 [SPEAKER_02]: workbook focus type of thing that they're doing for hours upon hours in a day. 24:04.618 --> 24:13.663 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, as interesting I recently was studying, I was reading biography of Dietrich Bonhoeffer and I found out that he's the sixth of eight kids in that his mom homeschooled him in his early years as well. 24:13.703 --> 24:14.744 [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of like CS Lewis. 24:15.364 --> 24:19.346 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he went to a traditional school later in his like high school years. 24:19.607 --> 24:20.947 [SPEAKER_02]: But she focused on two things. 24:21.308 --> 24:23.329 [SPEAKER_02]: It was spiritual formation and critical thinking. 24:23.697 --> 24:25.239 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's really important. 24:25.259 --> 24:25.799 [SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing. 24:25.979 --> 24:26.380 [SPEAKER_02]: Amazing. 24:26.480 --> 24:31.725 [SPEAKER_02]: Two things, and then we have all of the ways that Dietrich Bonhoeffer has impacted. 24:32.005 --> 24:32.546 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. 24:33.046 --> 24:41.695 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing, like, in a Christian home school, you know, with the people press all the books that we choose are redemptive books, everything that we read, all the poetry that we read, 24:42.495 --> 24:45.898 [SPEAKER_01]: the art that we look at, it has this theme of redemption running through it. 24:45.918 --> 24:49.561 [SPEAKER_01]: And so our children are getting a really thorough Christian education. 24:49.581 --> 25:01.310 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not that they're all Christian books, but they all have like, you know, Shackletons and Durants, where you see the men relying on God to do bold exploits and suffering with so much grace and patience. 25:01.410 --> 25:06.053 [SPEAKER_01]: And you see little house in the prairie where, you know, Laura, they learn to obey their parents. 25:06.073 --> 25:08.115 [SPEAKER_01]: And they learn what it means to be, and, you know, just, 25:08.535 --> 25:28.763 [SPEAKER_01]: There are so many beautiful stories that we can reach our children that highlight these virtues, that highlight the goodness of God and so that when they leave home and even if they go to a secular college or if they're in a secular workplace they're going to have this beautiful foundation of faith that is much more real to them than any of the lies that culture will throw out them. 25:28.863 --> 25:29.403 [SPEAKER_02]: That's true. 25:29.923 --> 25:34.985 [SPEAKER_02]: I did a really quick search on

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made to create a bunch of drawings, essentially. 29:24.584 --> 29:25.384 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, exactly. 29:25.644 --> 29:29.346 [SPEAKER_02]: People who stand in line and do it, they're told and don't ask any questions. 29:29.786 --> 29:33.008 [SPEAKER_02]: It's funny because when I first met my husband, that was actually one of the 29:33.848 --> 29:35.228 [SPEAKER_02]: This is just a funny side note. 29:35.669 --> 29:42.951 [SPEAKER_02]: He said, Angie, one of the things that I hope my kids don't know when they leave our home is that they don't, they don't know how to stand in the line. 29:43.291 --> 29:44.631 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not a line standard. 29:44.651 --> 29:46.972 [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't like to conform to things. 29:47.452 --> 29:48.332 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, what? 29:48.372 --> 29:49.413 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, no, we're not standing in line. 29:49.433 --> 29:50.353 [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna go ask somebody. 29:50.473 --> 29:52.874 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just constantly, like, no, no, come on children. 29:53.174 --> 29:54.054 [SPEAKER_02]: And so we're a whole family. 29:54.074 --> 29:56.555 [SPEAKER_02]: All the little ducks we just walked right up to the front. 29:57.295 --> 29:57.875 [SPEAKER_02]: So funny. 29:58.285 --> 30:07.095 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that it's done my kids good because they know that, like, for example, when they go to buy something or they buy something on Facebook marketplace, they know that they can negotiate. 30:07.336 --> 30:09.298 [SPEAKER_02]: When they go to buy a car, they negotiate. 30:09.498 --> 30:12.001 [SPEAKER_02]: They ask, is this a hard price? 30:12.302 --> 30:13.423 [SPEAKER_02]: What are you gonna do? 30:13.603 --> 30:20.249 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and I think that, you know, that highlights something too Angie that people don't recognize the power of just their own life for teaching their children. 30:20.730 --> 30:26.295 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you are an interesting person doing interesting things, that is also a part of your children's education. 30:26.315 --> 30:33.201 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you look at Leonardo da Vinci, he grew up on his family estate, like his father and his uncle ran this estate together. 30:33.621 --> 30:34.923 [SPEAKER_01]: His dad was a notary. 30:35.383 --> 30:39.627 [SPEAKER_01]: And so there was a lot of his education that was just absorbing what was happening around him. 30:39.907 --> 30:42.088 [SPEAKER_01]: And that helped develop who he was supposed to be. 30:42.128 --> 31:08.281 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think parents, especially in those early years, when you're having babies, don't underestimate the power of talking to your toddler about what's happening with the baby, or bringing your toddler into the meal preparation, or bringing your toddler along to the grocery shop, and the life skills that happen as we talk through things with our children and as we include them in the work of the home, that does give them a foundation for later learning of any kind of whatever they want to do. 31:08.921 --> 31:17.949 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think helping, you know, nurturing curiosity in our cells and our children lays such a beautiful foundation for them feeling like whatever God, whatever idea God gives me, I can figure it out. 31:18.069 --> 31:20.471 [SPEAKER_01]: I can pursue learning whatever it is. 31:20.992 --> 31:35.104 [SPEAKER_02]: I was recently picking up my raw milk and there's a gentleman there that sells honey from his property and he and I were talking about standing in line and he told me this story he was like I just love that you homeschool because I had my kids with me and I 31:35.635 --> 31:42.357 [SPEAKER_02]: And he said, my granddaughter just graduated with her PhD and do you know that she did not know how where raisins came from? 31:42.577 --> 31:43.197 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, what? 31:43.437 --> 31:46.318 [SPEAKER_02]: And he started talking about the process because he was making raisins, right? 31:46.338 --> 31:53.160 [SPEAKER_02]: He had had vineyard and he was harvesting grapes and then he started making drying his grapes and she was just shocked. 31:53.240 --> 31:53.800 [SPEAKER_02]: She didn't know. 31:54.200 --> 32:00.562 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sitting there shocked that she doesn't know because these are like the basic things that my kids all grow up on being on a home 32:02.620 --> 32:05.714 [SPEAKER_02]: helping preserve, helping to can things, hunting. 32:06.207 --> 32:10.209 [SPEAKER_02]: All of the things that they're learning and doing that's just part of our lifestyle. 32:10.649 --> 32:19.132 [SPEAKER_02]: And there have been many things over the years that are like that that I've had to just stop myself in the moment when I start feeling like, oh man, we didn't get to that workbook today. 32:19.412 --> 32:21.593 [SPEAKER_02]: And I go, no, we did life school. 32:21.733 --> 32:23.494 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's incredibly valuable. 32:23.514 --> 32:25.835 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that young moms need to hear that. 32:25.855 --> 32:32.798 [SPEAKER_02]: They need to have permission to remember that what we're doing is we're educating our kids for life and that everything we do is education. 32:33.178 --> 32:36.039 [SPEAKER_02]: We do need to set aside time to read with our kids. 32:36.099 --> 32:38.720 [SPEAKER_02]: We do need to set aside that time and it needs to be sacred. 32:38.880 --> 32:42.941 [SPEAKER_02]: But all of their seasons, like for me, there's a planting season. 32:43.302 --> 32:47.423 [SPEAKER_02]: There is a pruning and weeding season and there is a harvest season, right? 32:47.483 --> 32:53.305 [SPEAKER_02]: And during those times, homeschool looks very different than it does and the winter when those things are not happening. 32:53.825 --> 32:58.687 [SPEAKER_02]: In the winter time, they're reading way more books than they are when we're out hiking and 32:59.323 --> 33:02.464 [SPEAKER_02]: down at the beach and making sand castles and making memories.

33:02.684 --> 33:03.265 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 33:03.425 --> 33:08.007 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so chill and I think that's important to also recognize just the seasonality at the home school year. 33:08.027 --> 33:24.834 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there was one person talked about how, you know, the fall is for the more intense academic learning because you're, you know, you have that energy and then, and then they said, they split it up into seasons like the, maybe the winter was for some experiential learning, like projects and then those spring is for filth trips, you know. 33:25.194 --> 33:37.304 [SPEAKER_01]: just recognizing that you were going to even, you know, a lot of families homeschooled six weeks on one week off because for some families, there is a necessity to have a moment to regroup and kind of get ready for the next season. 33:37.344 --> 33:44.450 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, for us, we did a lot of four day a week homeschooling, the peaceful process set up four days a week so you can have a day to clean your house or take a field trip or 33:44.910 --> 33:49.852 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, be involved in something else and there are lots of ways to be successful as a homeschool family. 33:49.972 --> 33:53.534 [SPEAKER_01]: Our, you know, we were missionaries in Mexico for four years. 33:53.774 --> 33:56.375 [SPEAKER_01]: And so there's a lot of interrupted school days during that time. 33:56.875 --> 33:58.236 [SPEAKER_01]: But we read so many books. 33:58.256 --> 34:05.719 [SPEAKER_01]: We're having amazing life experiences and my children still were able to, you know, go through our homeschool high school, go to college. 34:05.759 --> 34:08.761 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what they wanted to do well on the military entrance exam. 34:08.781 --> 34:10.902 [SPEAKER_01]: But whatever they wanted to do, they've been able to do. 34:11.422 --> 34:15.064 [SPEAKER_01]: because we were equipping them for learning, not for a particular job. 34:15.244 --> 34:15.764 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. 34:16.044 --> 34:17.425 [SPEAKER_02]: And they were also learning. 34:17.685 --> 34:22.247 [SPEAKER_02]: God was probably teaching them during that time and softening their heart to have a heart for the lost. 34:22.467 --> 34:27.409 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that that aspect, the great commission and teaching your kids and being with them every day. 34:27.489 --> 34:31.271 [SPEAKER_02]: And if there is one thing, there's actually two aspects to the great commission. 34:31.351 --> 34:37.313 [SPEAKER_02]: One thing that Isaac and I are always trying to encourage people with is that you don't need to feel pressure when you're in that 34:41.112 --> 34:41.512 [SPEAKER_02]: need us. 34:41.633 --> 34:42.373 [SPEAKER_02]: He wants us. 34:42.633 --> 34:48.458 [SPEAKER_02]: He wants our hearts, but your first ministry is your kids, and that is the great commission, actually. 34:48.799 --> 34:54.363 [SPEAKER_02]: And if we're going to go out and disciple other people, but

we don't disciple in our homes first, there's a big problem. 34:54.723 --> 34:59.808 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, disciplining in our homes is oftentimes the boot camp that prepares us to be able to do it outside of our homes. 35:00.408 --> 35:08.355 [SPEAKER_02]: And so if any moms are listening right now and they're feeling overwhelmed, like they're not able to get it all done, focus on the things that God has called you to do first. 35:08.703 --> 35:11.387 [SPEAKER_02]: because it is truly gonna, it changes everything. 35:11.888 --> 35:14.291 [SPEAKER_02]: Reading may be difficult with your four-year-old. 35:14.532 --> 35:16.074 [SPEAKER_02]: Shelf it, come back to it. 35:16.154 --> 35:17.536 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't let it be a painful thing. 35:17.676 --> 35:22.283 [SPEAKER_02]: Focus on building their character, their relationship with God, memorizing scripture. 35:22.443 --> 35:23.465 [SPEAKER_02]: We're shipping together. 35:23.885 --> 35:32.167 [SPEAKER_02]: serving God as a family within your home, and as you start to train them up, then you get to a place where your kids are older, and they do know how to read. 35:32.307 --> 35:33.007 [SPEAKER_02]: They're good readers. 35:33.327 --> 35:34.587 [SPEAKER_02]: They have a job. 35:34.687 --> 35:39.788 [SPEAKER_02]: They're actually, they want to serve at church because they, they're ready to do that. 35:39.948 --> 35:49.650 [SPEAKER_02]: But there's seasons in the homeschool family's life also, and I think that, you know, one thing I've struggled with a lot is wanting to be in the season that's ahead of me before I'm actually there. 35:49.949 --> 35:54.950 [SPEAKER_02]: and I've had a temper myself and discipline myself to go and you know, don't miss what's happening right now. 35:55.090 --> 35:55.630 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what I mean? 35:56.010 --> 36:07.213 [SPEAKER_02]: Which it's a hard thing I think a lot of moms that have more than five kids, I would say, or four kids, it's when you have a big family, it's even harder in that sense because I just had my sixth grandchild. 36:07.273 --> 36:18.315 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I wanna be that grandma that's involved in their life and I have adult children that are still living at home that have jobs and then I have my five-year-old in my eight-year-old, in my 10-year-old. 36:19.022 --> 36:27.246 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and so it's like your kind of going like this with all the plates, but God knows, and he holds me. 36:27.446 --> 36:29.407 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I feel him sustaining me. 36:29.647 --> 36:30.767 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it is true. 36:30.827 --> 36:35.049 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's every season, there's going to be this sense of not doing enough in a way. 36:35.069 --> 36:37.190 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think just continuing to 36:37.730 --> 36:55.649 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, make sure relationship with God is being nurtured so we can know what his yes is, you know, because it's easy, especially when we are being influenced by social media to feel like, oh, there's just I should be doing this with my kids or I should be doing this with my grandkids, I should be doing this with my husband and just to constantly feel behind or like we're failing. 36:55.809 --> 36:57.509 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's not how God sees us. 36:57.689 --> 37:00.850 [SPEAKER_01]: He loves us, we're, you know, fearfully and wonderfully made. 37:01.070 --> 37:17.494 [SPEAKER_01]: And so just leaning into prayer and worship where we're letting him guide our footsteps and letting him direct our paths and, you know, making his wisdom our wisdom so that we're not feeling that pressure and just being able to be at rest and be at peace with what, that, you know, with what's in front of us today. 37:17.514 --> 37:21.115 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like sufficient for the days that evil they're in and don't worry about tomorrow. 37:21.135 --> 37:22.775 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that does take release, 37:26.337 --> 37:26.837 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. 37:27.558 --> 37:31.902 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, for the moms that are needing encouragement in homeschooling, can you share with them? 37:32.142 --> 37:36.406 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe some final thoughts about the book and then where people can find it? 37:36.567 --> 37:41.531 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's the inspired homeschooling and find it at inspiredhomeschoolbook.com. 37:41.692 --> 37:42.432 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a lot. 37:42.753 --> 37:45.715 [SPEAKER_01]: Each chapter covers a different homeschool subject, basically. 37:46.576 --> 37:48.698 [SPEAKER_01]: and the philosophy of homeschooling. 37:48.718 --> 37:52.982 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's just a lot of practical applications based on the lives of these people. 37:53.503 --> 38:01.711 [SPEAKER_01]: One of my favorite chapters is the one about Joan of Arc because she was just so attuned to God that she did the impossible. 38:01.851 --> 38:05.655 [SPEAKER_01]: Like she, you know, the French had been trying to fight the English for a long time. 38:06.295 --> 38:07.036 [SPEAKER_01]: and losing. 38:07.776 --> 38:13.661 [SPEAKER_01]: And Joan of Arc had listened so well to her father that she was going to do something that was way out of her comfort zone. 38:13.681 --> 38:18.405 [SPEAKER_01]: Like she didn't want to leave her mother as a teenage girl and go fight with a bunch of stinky men. 38:18.425 --> 38:25.591 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she was just so obedient to God because she had spent so much time listening to him. 38:26.412 --> 38:26.532 [SPEAKER_01]: And 38:27.152 --> 38:35.815 [SPEAKER_01]: And her mother, too, it was so beautiful reading the story of how, you know, after she died, her mother kept on petitioning for her innocence. 38:35.835 --> 38:41.016 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, she did not give up on her daughter, even though she was gone. 38:41.416 --> 38:45.277 [SPEAKER_01]: She, she kept fighting for justice and fighting for truth. 38:45.338 --> 38:46.398 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think as moms, 38:47.018 --> 38:52.061 [SPEAKER_01]:

wherever you're at in your parenting journey, you might be a little bit down the road and feeling discouraged about some of the results. 38:52.601 --> 38:56.563 [SPEAKER_01]: You might be, you know, in the beginning, like there's there's always disappointment in parenting. 38:56.583 --> 39:02.967 [SPEAKER_01]: There's always we're we're parenting humans, and so they're not going to just be little robots that we can control. 39:03.167 --> 39:08.970 [SPEAKER_01]: And we do the best we can, but then we're going to add at some point, have to just rely on the grace of God and trust in the mercy of God. 39:08.990 --> 39:11.872 [SPEAKER_01]: For our children, I loved seeing how Joan of Arc's mother, 39:12.452 --> 39:16.813 [SPEAKER_01]: Like she could have been, you know, oh, I guess, I guess my daughter was a witch. 39:16.953 --> 39:18.334 [SPEAKER_01]: I, well, what do I do? 39:18.354 --> 39:18.854 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 39:18.874 --> 39:20.895 [SPEAKER_01]: Like she could have just walled and shame. 39:20.955 --> 39:22.275 [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of moms do this. 39:22.295 --> 39:28.237 [SPEAKER_01]: They get to the end of their homes going, and when they should be taking a role, mentoring and loving younger moms. 39:28.737 --> 39:33.141 [SPEAKER_01]: they sit there in in self-pity just a point to with all the things that went wrong. 39:33.461 --> 39:36.264 [SPEAKER_01]: And instead we have to just like receive the grace of God. 39:36.324 --> 39:44.911 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if we need to repent, if we need to receive the grace and forgive ourselves, and then keep on fighting for our children, for our community. 39:44.931 --> 39:49.395 [SPEAKER_01]: Like keep on praying, keep on blessing them, keep on speaking life over them. 39:49.455 --> 39:51.818 [SPEAKER_01]: Keep on just petitioning heaven. 39:52.498 --> 40:19.762 [SPEAKER_01]: for our culture instead of giving up and you know sitting back and you know just kind of being passive about life like no we are in a battle for our culture for our children and we need to be like we need to pray more in the moments that our kids are leaving the house we need to pray more in the moments that that we do lose that that like physical control our kids aren't still in our home where we can tell them what to do we need to be praying more and petitioning even more 40:20.262 --> 40:22.844 [SPEAKER_01]: And that season, then we ever did when they were babies and toddlers. 40:23.204 --> 40:24.024 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Amen. 40:24.845 --> 40:30.628 [SPEAKER_02]: It's funny how when your kids are little, you feel so physically exhausted and you think to yourself, this is the trenches. 40:30.688 --> 40:33.830 [SPEAKER_02]: It can't get harder than this. 40:33.850 --> 40:36.592 [SPEAKER_02]: And older moms used to always say, oh, it's just so different. 40:36.632 --> 40:39.113 [SPEAKER_02]: And they were trying to be careful because I didn't want to discourage me. 40:40.614 --> 40:45.757 [SPEAKER_02]: But now

that I have, you know, my oldest six kids are all 16 and older. 40:45.957 --> 40:46.398 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, 40:46.998 --> 40:49.438 [SPEAKER_02]: I have never prayed so much in my life. 40:49.659 --> 40:53.659 [SPEAKER_02]: I have never grown in having to trust God so much in my life. 40:53.939 --> 40:55.420 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's been really good for me. 40:55.460 --> 40:56.460 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been really good for me. 40:56.540 --> 40:57.580 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was easy. 40:57.600 --> 40:58.200 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't easy. 40:58.780 --> 41:04.381 [SPEAKER_02]: And I've made mistakes at times, but that's the whole point is when you have Jesus Christ, you have grace. 41:04.941 --> 41:05.161 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 41:05.241 --> 41:07.642 [SPEAKER_02]: You have the ability to say, I was wrong. 41:07.682 --> 41:09.082 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, will you forgive me? 41:09.962 --> 41:14.603 [SPEAKER_02]: And Lord willing, if your child knows Jesus, they're gonna give that forgiveness. 41:15.100 --> 41:15.320 [SPEAKER_01]: Right? 41:15.740 --> 41:16.760 [SPEAKER_02]: And insulation? 41:16.901 --> 41:20.742 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and just recognizing, because as a younger mom, I felt like it was a race. 41:20.782 --> 41:24.003 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I had to be a perfect mom, and it was this sort of race or something. 41:24.043 --> 41:26.523 [SPEAKER_01]: But as an older mom, I feel like, it's more of a journey. 41:26.543 --> 41:28.664 [SPEAKER_01]: Like Jesus is walking with us. 41:29.084 --> 41:30.624 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing my best to figure this out. 41:30.644 --> 41:37.286 [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's a lot of conflicting information about how to parent, and we've swung the pendulum to a fault at times. 41:37.786 --> 41:39.667 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, but learning that you know what? 41:39.707 --> 41:41.087 [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus is walking with me. 41:41.127 --> 41:42.968 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's not afraid of my mistakes. 41:43.528 --> 41:44.988 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not disappointed in me. 41:45.508 --> 41:50.490 [SPEAKER_01]: He is walking with me, and his grace is sufficient for me, just as much as it's sufficient for my children. 41:51.010 --> 42:12.715 [SPEAKER_01]: And so learning to just like rest in the goodness of God, continue doing our best, continue praying, and being intentional as parents, but not in a way to prove salvation, but just that we have a king who is walking with us, who loves us, who's called us as children, who lives inside of us, what a honor, what a joy, keep walking with him, with endurance because of that. 42:13.956 --> 42:18.343 [SPEAKER_02]: It reminds me of a scripture I want to share with you as it actually preached on part of this. 42:18.999 --> 42:20.960 [SPEAKER_02]: It's in second Timothy chapter four. 42:21.280 --> 42:30.522 [SPEAKER_02]: And when he was preaching this last Sunday, I was like, oh my goodness, this was a verse that I meditated on as a young mom because I felt like I was pouring myself out like a drink offering. 42:30.542 --> 42:31.502 [SPEAKER_02]: That's this scripture. 42:32.023 --> 42:32.523 [SPEAKER_02]: It's Paul. 42:32.883 --> 42:37.464 [SPEAKER_02]: He's writing to Timothy and he's giving him his last final charge he's about to die. 42:37.544 --> 42:40.105 [SPEAKER_02]: So like, what are your last words you would say to someone? 42:40.345 --> 42:42.265 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what would you say? 42:42.506 --> 42:47.567 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so like listen to this says, for I am already being poured out as a drink offering. 42:48.260 --> 42:50.201 [SPEAKER_02]: and the time of my departure has come. 42:50.521 --> 42:54.722 [SPEAKER_02]: I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 42:55.322 --> 43:03.145 [SPEAKER_02]: Henceforth, there is laid up for me, the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge will award to me on that day. 43:03.745 --> 43:07.186 [SPEAKER_02]: And not only to me, but also to all who have loved his appearing. 43:07.386 --> 43:12.027 [SPEAKER_02]: It just is so fitting for what we're talking about right now because it is a journey. 43:12.367 --> 43:14.508 [SPEAKER_02]: We're all on our own spiritual journey with the Lord. 43:14.943 --> 43:21.066 [SPEAKER_02]: And he is not like us, in the sense that he's not a human and struggling with long suffering and patience. 43:22.047 --> 43:23.007 [SPEAKER_02]: He is all of that. 43:23.127 --> 43:27.309 [SPEAKER_02]: We need him in order to be long suffering and to be patient with our children. 43:27.630 --> 43:28.290 [SPEAKER_02]: He just is. 43:29.310 --> 43:37.715 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like sometimes I get really hard on myself and I think, oh man, if we could, why did I make that mistake again? 43:37.735 --> 43:39.456 [SPEAKER_02]: Why did I think that way again? 43:39.876 --> 43:41.277 [SPEAKER_02]: Haven't I trained myself? 43:41.397 --> 43:41.957 [SPEAKER_02]: I know better. 43:42.338 --> 43:43.179 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you ever think that way? 43:43.339 --> 43:44.119 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh my god. 43:44.380 --> 43:44.980 [SPEAKER_02]: This way. 43:45.100 --> 43:45.581 [SPEAKER_02]: Why am I? 43:45.701 --> 43:47.302 [SPEAKER_02]: Why do I need something? 43:47.322 --> 43:47.782 [SPEAKER_02]: What is it? 43:47.802 --> 43:48.223 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh boy. 43:49.023 --> 43:52.346 [SPEAKER_02]: And I can get down on myself for a second, but then I just have to remember. 43:52.406 --> 43:54.488 [SPEAKER_02]: Now this is the wrestling with the flesh. 43:55.135 --> 44:01.758 [SPEAKER_02]: This points to my need for the Holy Spirit every moment I need the, and that is what we get to teach our kids. 44:02.258 --> 44:05.920 [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, but we get to teach our kids is that yeah, it is hard to forgive your sister. 44:06.480 --> 44:07.460 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why you need Jesus. 44:07.820 --> 44:09.261 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, reading is really hard. 44:09.281 --> 44:10.101 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's pray together. 44:10.342 --> 44:13.603

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, honey, I understand this algebra question is frustrating. 44:14.003 --> 44:14.924 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's take a deep breath. 44:14.964 --> 44:15.965 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's pray for a minute. 44:15.985 --> 44:18.227 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's take a little break and then we'll come back with fresh eyes. 44:18.447 --> 44:19.808 [SPEAKER_02]: Ask God to give us clarity. 44:20.349 --> 44:23.652 [SPEAKER_02]: To give us perspective, to help us to understand. 44:23.732 --> 44:27.055 [SPEAKER_02]: These are all biblical things that God's Word even leads us in praying. 44:27.095 --> 44:28.476 [SPEAKER_02]: If we were to pray God's Word, right? 44:28.496 --> 44:30.458 [SPEAKER_02]: You go to the Psalms, go to you go to Proverbs. 44:30.778 --> 44:31.699 [SPEAKER_02]: You can pray for wisdom. 44:31.719 --> 44:33.680 [SPEAKER_02]: You can pray for understanding as you're reading to your kids. 44:34.020 --> 44:47.246 [SPEAKER_02]: And these are the kinds of things like that take the extra time in the homeschooling, but they bear so much fruit long term because what you're actually teaching your kids is how to exercise when they meet a trouble or a trial or a frustration. 44:48.127 --> 44:49.067 [SPEAKER_02]: I go to God's word. 44:49.868 --> 44:50.548 [SPEAKER_02]: I go to prayer. 44:51.282 --> 44:59.485 [SPEAKER_02]: I go to God, and I think at the end of the day, whether your kids make it through pre-calculus or trigonometry actually doesn't matter. 45:00.165 --> 45:02.245 [SPEAKER_02]: If they love God's word, that matters. 45:02.466 --> 45:03.046 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I mean? 45:03.406 --> 45:14.169 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, and it's keeping the first things, the first things, and I, one of the benefits that I've seen, just for the moms that are sitting there going, yes, but I don't need to sacrifice academics for spiritual growth. 45:14.289 --> 45:15.130 [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with that. 45:15.210 --> 45:16.310 [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll end them again too. 45:16.790 --> 45:37.061 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think that there's a huge mercy that has lost on me in the sense that like I look back at my my older kids that are graduated my my first five and I go whoa I thought that I was failing them in this or that but look at what they're doing like majority of them are entrepreneurs my daughter just had her baby And she's a stay at home mom, but she's also thinking about ways that she can work from home to 45:37.861 --> 45:43.049 [SPEAKER_02]: flipping furniture, refurbishing and making sourdough and different things and I love that in her. 45:43.149 --> 45:51.902 [SPEAKER_02]: But I look at my other kids and it's not that I train them to be a mortgage broker or a real estate agent or elevator technician. 45:52.643 --> 45:55.384 [SPEAKER_02]: Look, all of the things that they have done, construction, different things. 45:55.444 --> 45:58.324 [SPEAKER_02]: But God has been faithful and they all love the Lord. 45:58.564 --> 46:03.265 [SPEAKER_02]: And they have that in them to be diligent in learning and working hard and growing. 46:03.825 --> 46:05.786 [SPEAKER_02]: And if they love learning, they can do anything. 46:06.026 --> 46:06.586 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. 46:07.386 --> 46:07.826 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. 46:07.886 --> 46:08.866 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing. 46:08.906 --> 46:10.867 [SPEAKER_01]: There are so many different families in the world. 46:10.907 --> 46:17.308 [SPEAKER_01]: And so they're going to be Christian families at how the resources to get their children, tutors, to get through calculus and trigonometry. 46:17.968 --> 46:23.514 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I, in the book, I interviewed a mom who person, he wasn't even really interested. 46:23.634 --> 46:27.278 [SPEAKER_01]: He was dyslexic, he wasn't even that interested in the sciences in high school. 46:27.298 --> 46:34.546 [SPEAKER_01]: He took like a welding class or something and then he ended up becoming a mechanical engineer and designing laser parts for, you know, some big machines. 46:34.706 --> 46:36.808 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like anything is possible. 46:36.929 --> 46:37.149 [SPEAKER_01]: But, 46:37.449 --> 46:44.699 [SPEAKER_01]: it's going to be more fruitful, it's going to be more peaceful if we are working on spiritual development because God is the giver of wisdom. 46:45.159 --> 46:49.525 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we want our children to be wise and and intelligent, then we need to put first. 46:51.061 --> 46:54.083 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Jennifer, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. 46:54.243 --> 47:02.309 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like a lot of our conversation is just it's been refreshing for me as a mom who's still in it with a few kids at home and home schooling. 47:02.329 --> 47:04.871 [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you for joining me and everybody out there. 47:04.991 --> 47:08.234 [SPEAKER_02]: I highly recommend the inspired home school if you need inspiration. 47:08.634 --> 47:09.495 [SPEAKER_02]: You need courage. 47:10.055 --> 47:18.007 [SPEAKER_02]: and you need to just continue on the path that God's laid before you, but maybe you're feeling alone and you don't have other people that are there with you. 47:18.047 --> 47:20.271 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a good way to be encouraged. 47:20.411 --> 47:22.614 [SPEAKER_02]: So go to the inspired homeschoolbook.com. 47:22.694 --> 47:22.935 [SPEAKER_02]: Inspired. 47:23.656 --> 47:25.018 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 47:25.038 --> 47:25.819 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much. 47:26.440 --> 47:28.243 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for having me, Andrew, with the light.