631 - The cheat code for tonechasers and Brian gets heated and drops an f-bomb의 전체 녹취록

me or you. 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:11.199 You know, like for example, you know, I I'm making light. 00:02:11.439 --> 00:02:13.759 I don't want an AI George Lynch. 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:15.280 You know, I don't I don't want that. 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:21.599 I want the real George Lynch hopefully sitting in front of me teaching me how to play guitar like he does. 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:23.199 But that's aside the point. 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:26.719 My point is I don't want to hear AI version of George Lynch. 00:02:26.879 --> 00:02:27.120 No. 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:31.520 Um, but there are people out there that just don't care. 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:35.520 A big majority of people, and that's my argument, anyways. 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:43.439 And I think that if they're like, I love the second lynch mob album, I would want a follow-up exactly like that with different songs. 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:48.560 But there's people on there are probably not gonna care, and then and the record companies are gonna pay George to do it. 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:50.560 I mean, that's exactly what I was just thinking. 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:59.199 What you know, what if you played something in Apple Music or Spotify and it went, we noticed you liked Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd. 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:07.840 Here is a 10-hour playlist made entirely out of music that I've made that I think you'll enjoy based on Dark Side of the Moon. 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:10.719 And we're gonna call this playlist Dark Side of the Pop Tart. 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:11.280 Exactly. 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:12.639 Exactly. 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:14.800 Damn, that was my band name. 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.680 Uh another one bites the dust. 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:18.560 That's my other band. 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:18.800 No. 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:24.319 People might might be wondering where why it seems a little empty today. 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:26.240 Um I don't know. 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:28.240 What oh, you mean vocally? 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:31.919 Yeah, we're missing uh we're missing one of the three musketeers here. 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:32.400 We are. 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:33.439 We're missing Mr. 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:38.800 Blake Wyland, who has gone to Chicago to eat pizza for days, he said. 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:39.840 I think that's what he's saying. 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:44.000 Well, I think that's one of the things he's doing there, but he's at the uh what's that event called? 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:45.439 The fretboard summit. 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:47.120 Fretboard Summit, thank you. 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:52.800 Yeah, um my my invite must have got lost in the post, but I'm just no one invited me. 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:54.719 So don't feel bad. 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:55.759 Who who are we? 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:57.840 Just two random pedal company. 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:00.319 But to be fair, I probably wouldn't win anyway, so it's fine. 00:04:01.680

--> 00:04:02.960 This is very true, and me neither. 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:05.360 I mean, nothing against them, it's like I have nothing to gain. 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:10.560 So yeah, well, that's wrong, because what you have to gain is pounds. 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:12.639 Pounds by eating pizza. 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:16.480 And trust me, in the last week I have gained pounds. 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:21.759 Uh so just a little off topic from the AI for a minute. 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:25.040 Uh, last week it was my daughter's wedding, Bri. 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:28.800 Um, we are still waiting for the official photos. 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:31.759 I will share something on the screen just for you. 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:32.720 Oh, look at that. 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:33.360 Fantastic. 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:34.399 That's there you go. 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:35.519 This is great listening. 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:36.480 Really see it. 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:40.879 But anyway, imagine someone holding their phone up with a really bad glare. 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:43.439 Um, but it was my daughter's wedding. 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:52.160 Uh, I delivered a speech, and I gotta say, after uh three, four hundred episodes of podcasting, I think I can deliver a speech now. 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:55.519 Did did they play AI music at their wedding? 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:56.720 Yes, maybe. 00:04:56.959 --> 00:05:12.399 So I put a playlist to I put a playlist together of piano versions of the cure and bowie and depeche mode and joy division and new order, like Leela's favorite bands, but just piano versions, so it's kind of classy sounding. 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:24.720 I'm not entirely convinced that the cure wasn't AI because it was quite modern and it was very um there wasn't a lot of dynamic range to it. 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:31.199 Like the notes were being hit, but there was not a lot of like crescendos or lots of compression, yeah. 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:39.279 And yeah, and the arpeggio seemed very perfect, but no one noticed because it was background music, it was just playing, and a lot of it wasn't AI. 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:40.959 So here's another question. 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:48.720 If you were a wedding planner and you're pledging this wedding, would you want to license that music from Depeche Mode or the cure or whatever? 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:51.920 Or would you say Suno is almost free? 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:57.759 And so, therefore, as the wedding planner, I'm going to use the almost free version. 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:04.560 Yeah, I mean, if if you're not like so, most weddings will have one of three things live music. 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:05.920 You ain't doing that with Suno. 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:07.279 That's hard to do with AI. 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:08.800 That's hard to do with AI. 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:11.680 Uh they will have a DJ. 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:20.240 Well, that could use some AI, or they'll just have these days, it's very common, Spotify playlist that's put on shuffle and stuck in the background. 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:25.360 But still again, if you're a wedding player, at least in the States, you have to you have to pay for that. 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:28.319 Like you can't just pull up Spotify, you have to license it. 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:28.720 Yeah. 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:30.879 And so that so that's my big complaint here. 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:44.240 With a large group of a lot of people that would need to license music in some way, most will take the cheaper way out because capitalism does what capitalism does. 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:49.040 Well, and also it it look, if you're doing a wedding, budget is everything, right? 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:50.560 Yeah, you really do care. 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:55.279 So if it's background music, I think that's the perfect use for AI. 00:06:55.439 --> 00:07:01.120 If it's not music that people are actually listening to, if it if there just needs to be something in the background. 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:12.399 I I had I had zero problem other than my own artistic sensibilities and and you know, beating myself up because of them, but I had zero problem like with this playlist having AI in it. 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:21.439 But but that's a real that's a real complaint among people that are not for this, is that you know there are musicians that that is trained off of, and th those people are not getting compensated. 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:26.240 Much like whenever someone models a guitar amp and the manufacturer doesn't get compensated. 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:28.319 I see what you're saying. 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:30.160 I I mean you make a point. 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:36.560 The alternative was me and my acoustasonic guitar playing the hits of David Gilmore. 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:40.639 So I can see, boys don't cry. 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:43.680 I want to play piano, guys. 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:46.639 Yeah, uh don't knock some of Robert Smith's early work. 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:50.240 No, no, I'm I'm trying to mimic you, not Robert Smith. 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:50.720 Sorry. 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:53.360 Well, I I feel you've done both there. 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:59.680 Uh so I read another I I hate myself, Bri. 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:11.439 I'm just gonna let everyone know I do genuinely hate myself because I go into every episode like we will not start this off by talking about AI, and here we are talking about AI. 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:25.360 But I read an article this week that certain secondhand booksellers on various platforms have seen sales spike, and they're like, Why are we suddenly selling loads of these secondhand books? 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:37.039 And it is for scan and destroy operations where AI, yeah, they just buy the book, take all the pages out of it, feed it into their AI machine, and dump the the book. 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:42.480 And wow that is apparently driving the

sales in secondhand books. 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:46.480 I wonder if that will have the same effect eventually on music. 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:50.000 I wonder, I mean, I guess it's already available on the cloud. 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:56.320 So, what you're saying is I need to take my books, make a billion copies, and sell them on the secondhand market. 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:01.120 I I I well, firstly, I don't think there are a billion different AI models. 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:04.720 And secondly, I'm pretty sure that AI only needs to read your book once. 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:11.200 If they're buying all of the secondhand books, then I just need to contribute to the secondhand market, right? 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:13.120 No, Bri, you're a genius. 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:26.480 I you should immediately invest in 10,000 copies of your own book and keep the stock somewhere in your house, preferably blocking I don't know, a utility cupboard, a bathroom door, something like that. 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:28.559 That's the that's the play here. 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:41.120 But uh yeah, I I I do find myself, and again, look, I am a human being, so I I will be hypocritical from time to time and I'll say shit and then I'll think about it and reflect on it. 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:48.480 Like, am I really stealing from someone if I'm using an AI rendition of the music? 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:49.840 I guess I am. 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:52.320 It's different than an AI composition, right? 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:57.840 It's different than when AI just makes music because I'm actually taking somebody's intellectual property. 00:09:57.919 --> 00:10:02.799 Well, I'm not, somebody has taken somebody's intellectual property and respun it out as a piano version. 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:20.159 So that's that's kind of the reason I make the joke about the Eddie Vetter stuff, is because there's like I mentioned, I don't know, four or five episodes ago, there's old songs where I had like this cheesy guitar part, and you know, 16-year-old Brian wanted to know what that would sound like if it was a finished song. 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:22.720 And I'm never gonna do anything with it, so I just did it. 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:23.200 And we're gonna be able to do it. 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:27.840 Well, I'm assuming uh you know, it's not at least like it's it's I just did it for me. 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:28.320 Yeah. 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:29.840 You know, which is interesting. 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:35.360 But you know, and I get it back, and I'm like, that literally sounds like freaking Eddie Vedder singing the song. 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:36.320 This is ridiculous. 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:41.200 I'm guessing that Eddie never responded to the tapes and letters you sent him when you were 16. 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:42.159 Dear Mr. 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:45.200 Vedder, my name's Brian, and I live in Indiana. 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:46.799 I'm your biggest fan. 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:48.080 Yeah, I I wouldn't know. 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:50.720 I'm not really allowed within several hundred feet of them. 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:52.320 I don't I'm not sure. 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:58.080 Was it Eddie Vedder who scaled down from a stage once? 00:10:58.240 --> 00:10:59.120 I think it was, you know. 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:00.720 Yeah, that was at a big festival, yeah. 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:03.600 Yeah, scaled down from uh from a microphone cable. 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:04.320 Right. 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:04.799 Wow. 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:05.360 That could be a good one. 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:07.919 Which is a great advertisement for microphone cables. 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:10.480 Yeah, they sold a lot more of those cables. 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:17.200 Um, all I'm saying is it's a good job that they didn't go down from a no, I can't mention the company. 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:21.440 Uh um and it's a good job it wasn't solderless because that would have come apart too. 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:22.320 That would be bad. 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:24.320 This is where wireless systems fail. 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:30.799 Yeah, that wouldn't have been a good advertisement, wouldn't it? 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:36.639 Well, well, speaking of um uh everything. 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:37.279 Sure. 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:41.360 Speaking of everything, speaking of everything, let's now discuss the other subject. 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:43.679 Oh, I have been taken over by AI. 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:45.679 Uh I don't know, man. 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:56.720 I I am struggling with it because on the one hand, I know I've got to keep up to date with this technology because the future of humanity almost certainly depends on it. 00:11:57.360 --> 00:12:02.559 It's like if you if you want to if you want to continue feeding your family, yeah, there's certain things you gotta do. 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:03.120 Yeah. 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:09.679 So I have had to embrace it, and look, you know, I'll be brutally honest. 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:14.080 I've had work just literally whipped from under my feet. 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:18.879 There was a time when I could have rinsed Brian for every single image. 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:21.200 I'd have just been like, you want an image, Brian? 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:22.399 You're paying for my time. 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:24.960 That ended about a year ago. 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:39.919 You know, once uh Higgsfield got good enough for for Brian to start making images that you know he could use for testing or experimentation without me, I'm only used for the really clever stuff, isn't that right, Bly? 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:40.879 That's what you told me. 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:41.679 That's right. 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:46.799 If it involves something that's really good, that's when I call up uh another guy now. 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:47.679 I I mean Richard. 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:53.919 Oh, whoa, but it has

genuinely destroyed my business, right? 00:12:54.000 --> 00:13:04.960 And it not not you, clearly, um, but uh other parts of my business have just gone and web design is changing, and I've got to pivot and use these technologies. 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:13.200 On the other hand, I do kind of hate that I've spent my entire life being a bastion of taste. 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:16.960 Like for me, when I was 16, I'm sure this was the same for you, Bri. 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:19.120 I judged you on your music taste. 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:29.519 Like, if you told yeah, yeah, if you told me that you liked Madonna, Jason Donovan and Kylie Minogue, you were relegated to the this guy knows nothing about music category. 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:36.320 Whereas if you'd have come to me and said, I love the doors, Jefferson Airplane, and Hendrix, I'd have been like, Come, brother, let us talk. 00:13:36.559 --> 00:13:38.080 And I really judge people on that. 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:38.799 And that's a personality. 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:39.840 Interesting. 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:47.120 Yeah, I've I don't know if I've ever done that really, other than saying, like, this person always listens to country, so they're probably more of a country musical. 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:51.600 I was hugely judgmental about people's music taste when I was a teenager. 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:52.240 Yeah, interesting. 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:56.159 And I think it's part of trying to fit in with the cool kids. 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:00.720 You know, you go through that, I want to fit in, so I'm gonna just develop some views and stick to them. 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:03.279 I was never able to achieve that, so I don't know. 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:09.679 Well, I I had a long coat, I smoked a cigarette, I was there, Bri for five minutes. 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:24.960 I was never one of the cool kids, but I was hugely judgmental about music and like to the point where I wouldn't listen to music that I probably enjoyed because the artists were not in the oeuvre that I wanted them to be in. 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:28.320 So actually, it was a stupid move. 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:35.679 But as a result, I have got fairly eclectic, wide-ranging, and detailed music tastes. 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:53.279 And I think the day when I realized how bad technology was was when a guy I worked with who knew nothing about music, he liked nothing better than sitting in the back of his car on the way home from a meeting singing George Michael and Madonna songs at me. 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:56.639 And I'd be like, This is worse than hell. 00:14:57.039 --> 00:15:00.879 And he one day went, Oh, have you ripped all your music to uh MP3? 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:17.519 I went, Yeah, you want, oh, let me have your entire library, and I just thought, well, I can't say no, but at the same time, I've just gifted him like my entire life's like collecting of music, and he might develop cool tastes, and I don't like him. 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:33.840 But that's what AI is doing in an like massive scale, it's giving everybody bland tastes because it is drilling everything down into like the the most palatable form and giving it to everybody. 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:19.080 There's a part of me that argues that everything is driven to be bland. 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:23.720 Like, for example, for example, if you take what a taco uh you guys have taco bell with it, right? 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:25.320 Yeah, we we definitely do. 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:28.919 So even better than that, Popeyes is opening next week in Portsmouth. 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:36.039 But if you look at a Taco Bell from 1985 or something, it had pizzazz, like you it stood out amongst all the other restaurants. 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:36.440 Yeah. 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:41.879 Now when you look at a Taco Bell, it could be a freaking Verizon building if they moved out. 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.720 It could be a Pizza Hut, it could be literally anything. 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:49.399 Because there's no there's no identity with it anymore. 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:51.799 And it's not just Taco Bell, it's like everything. 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:53.399 McDonald's is the same way. 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:58.919 McDonald's used to have it a look, and now it's a beige freaking square building. 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:00.039 Like it could be anything. 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:03.320 They move out, it will be who knows what? 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:04.759 Probably a laundromat. 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:05.639 No one knows. 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:08.039 But there's no identity there. 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:14.679 And the weird thing, the reason why I bring it up is it seems like that that sentiment is transferred to everything. 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:15.720 And you know why it is? 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:21.399 It's because whoever owns the building, when McDonald's does move out, they can easily renovate it quickly and cheaply. 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:27.639 Sure, you can rent it, but your sign must be this big. 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:29.319 And and McDonald's don't care. 00:17:29.399 --> 00:17:32.200 They're just like, sure, if we can get in and get out, fine, whatever. 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:32.679 You're right. 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:35.799 I mean, that's kind of man. 00:17:35.879 --> 00:17:40.279 I don't want to throw anybody at the bus, but there's some of that that goes on in the guitar industry, too. 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:47.639 A lot of it goes on in the guitar industry, and uh the phrase that has been used in this country a lot is the in shittification of everything. 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:57.719 It's just everything is becoming a little bit shitter, everything is like being boiled down to the lowest form of shit that it can be, and that's what AI is gonna do. 00:17:57.879 --> 00:18:02.119 It's gonna like uh so again, I'll give you another example. 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:04.279 I saw a client's website.

00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:19.479 Now, this client is a guitar company that we were going to do a lot of work for, but let's put it this way in the time it's taken them to not even release their first guitar, I've thought of, created, and released an entire pedal company. 00:18:19.719 --> 00:18:29.879 So these guys who came to me three or four years ago with this idea, for whatever reason, they've just not been able to move fast, and that's fine, that's business, but it it's super slow. 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:35.879 I went to their website the other day just to have a little look at it, they've got a tuner on it, you know, a guitar tuner. 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:41.079 Like you can plug your guitar in and play it through the speakers or whatever, and it'll it'll be a tuner. 00:18:41.159 --> 00:18:42.279 And I had a number of thoughts on that. 00:18:42.439 --> 00:18:45.079 I was like, well, one, that's pretty cool. 00:18:45.479 --> 00:18:50.839 Uh two, 10 years ago, that would have been a killer app to have on your website. 00:18:51.159 --> 00:18:58.039 Three, at no point have I ever sat there and thought, I'm playing this song, my guitar's out of tune. 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:02.199 Let me just go to this one guitar company's website and use their tuner app. 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:07.159 I've noticed there's a lot of different uh guitar-based entities. 00:19:07.239 --> 00:19:32.679 So whether it's you people that teach courses or people that have YouTube, like or I mean, like it's it's not just like guitar companies, for example, that I'm because you can vibe code so many different things now, everyone's using it to well not a lot of people are using it to do silly things that aren't needed, like make tutors in an in a web-based app on a guitar website. 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:37.719 Like, okay, okay, but like that's not very handy for when I need a tuner often. 00:19:37.959 --> 00:19:41.639 No, but it's a great example of the initification of things. 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:42.039 Yes. 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:51.239 Every guitar company will now have a tuner on their website, and it will be vibe coded and it'll be completely useless because as you say, no one's going there, and it's right. 00:19:51.479 --> 00:19:54.599 I just, yeah, I feel you just wait. 00:19:54.679 --> 00:20:11.559 There's gonna be, if there isn't already, there might be, I don't know, but there'll be websites where you type in, I want to sound like David Gilmore from X Song, and it says, Oh, well, based on the boss tube screamer you have, set the tone control at noon and the gain at three o'clock. 00:20:11.959 --> 00:20:19.239 And like, well, not really, like, that's not at all going to get me there, but okay, I guess. 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:21.319 Someone's gonna make an app that does some something. 00:20:21.879 --> 00:20:22.439 There already are. 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:32.039 I mean, that brings up the Inspire Pro guitar, which for anyone who hasn't seen it yet, it's by a company called Enya. 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:33.959 I just think of Orinoco Flow. 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:37.319 I just go, Sailor, way, Sailor, but that's just me. 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:41.479 Uh never knew she was related to Clan Ad either. 00:20:41.719 --> 00:20:42.359 There you go. 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:43.399 Um, Brian. 00:20:43.639 --> 00:20:45.159 Do you remember the song Smooth Up Enya? 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:45.959 Remember the song? 00:20:46.199 --> 00:20:46.679 I don't, I don't know. 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:47.719 From the 80s? 00:20:47.879 --> 00:20:48.039 No. 00:20:48.199 --> 00:20:52.599 Well, I uh I was driving a car once and that song was playing, and I wrecked my car. 00:20:53.639 --> 00:20:55.000 That's well, I know that song. 00:20:55.159 --> 00:20:55.959 That song is playing. 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:56.439 Brilliant. 00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:57.159 Anyway, um, yeah. 00:20:57.319 --> 00:21:06.519 The Enya Inspire Pro, Brian, is a carbon fiber electric guitar with real pickups and a real tram and real doohickeys. 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:07.159 But it's good. 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:08.519 Love the doohickeys. 00:21:08.679 --> 00:21:09.719 You've got to have the doohickeys. 00:21:09.879 --> 00:21:11.319 But it's got I've been looking. 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:13.879 Actually, let me find how much doohickeys are on Sweetwater real quick. 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:16.279 They've just gone down by no, they've gone up again. 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:17.000 No, they've gone down. 00:21:17.319 --> 00:21:18.919 Two and a half percent tariff. 00:21:19.159 --> 00:21:19.319 Okay. 00:21:19.719 --> 00:21:29.879 Oh, and I realized I'm actually I'm actually giving, and I'm not gonna change it at any future American customers, but I'm actually giving my American customers two and a half percent discount. 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:33.319 Because actually the tariff to send stuff to America right now is 12.5%. 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:34.519 I thought it was 10. 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:36.919 So everyone who buys an Oliver Effects pedophiles. 00:21:38.199 --> 00:21:39.479 It depends what day you send it. 00:21:40.199 --> 00:21:40.599 There is that. 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:42.279 Tomorrow it may be 40. 00:21:42.439 --> 00:21:42.919 Who knows? 00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:45.719 All right, tangent upon tangent upon tangent. 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:53.799 But did you know, Bri, that in Russia right now, some parts of Russia have an odd number um system for bone petrol. 00:21:54.279 --> 00:21:57.799 I think the title of this podcast should be the ADHD Day. 00:21:57.959 --> 00:21:58.919 No, I'm I'm serious. 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:08.359 If it if you're in Russia, in certain parts of Russia, if your registration plate ends in an odd number, you can buy fuel on odd numbered days. 00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:13.639 And if your registration plate ends in an even number, you can buy fuel on even numbered days. 00:22:13.879 --> 00:22:14.439 That's fantastic. 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:15.799 Hey,

what were we talking about? 00:22:16.359 --> 00:22:23.799 So the Inspire Pro by Enya, a carbon fiber guitar with a built in 20 watt speaker array. 00:22:23.879 --> 00:22:26.919 It looks like it's two three and a half inch speakers in there. 00:22:27.159 --> 00:22:31.559 Uh and I'm not gonna lie, the video makes it sound pretty good. 00:22:31.719 --> 00:22:38.279 And it's it's more than that because it's also got full onboard guitar effects modeling. 00:22:38.439 --> 00:22:39.879 You've got options to go. 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:45.719 You know, direct into headphones, just play through the inbuilt speaker, or go into an amp. 00:22:45.959 --> 00:22:53.239 You can go into your DAW and you know have your effects before or after a certain part, etc. 00:22:53.479 --> 00:22:54.759 So all kinds of clever stuff. 00:22:54.839 --> 00:23:09.159 But the thing that brings it into what we were discussing is it has an app that lets you choose what tones, what models you use, and it already has a built-in AI um synthesizer. 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:20.679 So you just say to it, I want to sound like Brian Wompler chicken picking in a goat shed in Indiana, and it will go dialing in one tumus and a little bit of slapback. 00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:21.239 There you go. 00:23:21.399 --> 00:23:22.119 Another bit of goat. 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:23.479 Just dial in some goat, man. 00:23:23.719 --> 00:23:24.599 Dial in some goat. 00:23:24.919 --> 00:23:27.399 But it made me think about this, Bri. 00:23:28.439 --> 00:23:32.759 Is like we we've talked about how AI will make us more lazy. 00:23:33.159 --> 00:23:38.039 Is part of the fun of chasing a tone the chase? 00:23:38.439 --> 00:23:40.599 Or do we just want to go straight to the tone? 00:23:40.919 --> 00:23:42.359 I think there's different types of players. 00:23:42.439 --> 00:23:48.279 I think some players the chase of a tone is stupid and annoying to them. 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:51.000 And it's not even like a good player or a bad player. 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:55.959 Like, I I know some great players like I don't care, just get out of the way so I can play. 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:56.519 You know? 00:23:56.919 --> 00:24:02.439 And then I know some other people that like Steve I, for example, he is so into tone. 00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:08.439 You wouldn't like you may not know that, but he is into the precise details of what's inside the pedal. 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:12.119 We should send him a pedal head and see if he can uh figure out. 00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:13.959 He may or may not have one already. 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:15.639 So, anyways. 00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:17.719 So, anyways, moving on. 00:24:17.959 --> 00:24:22.759 Um Yeah, so I think there's just different types of players. 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:30.359 Some people are really into it, some people really just are into the guitar, and they'll use um uh what's his name, Jack? 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:31.879 Um White? 00:24:32.199 --> 00:24:32.439 Shh. 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:34.599 No, Jack used to play in the almond brothers. 00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:36.599 Hang on, let me look at my contacts. 00:24:36.679 --> 00:24:37.159 Hang on. 00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:39.799 Um Jack don't go anywhere. 00:24:39.879 --> 00:24:41.000 Don't Jack Pearson. 00:24:41.239 --> 00:24:47.479 Jack Pearson famously like would just use uh you know, just any old cheap guitar. 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:49.079 I'm like, oh this is fine, this will work. 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:53.319 Yeah, I mean we've And it sounds great, sounds great no matter what he plays. 00:24:53.559 --> 00:25:02.119 We've spoken about um uh the oh I forget the name of the guitarist from Genesis, the current guitarist, um, who's actually their bass player. 00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:03.399 The really tall guy. 00:25:03.639 --> 00:25:04.439 Phil Collins. 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:06.599 No, that I have no idea. 00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:09.159 That that that is definitely not them. 00:25:09.479 --> 00:25:19.399 Uh it is Mike Rutherford, um, brilliant player, you know, famously used to play an awesome looking bass. 00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:25.799 Um, plays quite a bit of guitar with Mike and the Mechanics and with Genesis now, and just takes a squire on stage. 00:25:25.879 --> 00:25:26.679 It's good enough. 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:29.159 You know, that's all he needs as a squire. 00:25:29.399 --> 00:25:30.439 He's ready to go. 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:35.399 And it makes you realise that yeah, it equipment is more for the hobbyists. 00:25:35.479 --> 00:25:42.359 But this is what I'm saying the hobby is not just the playing, the hobby is everything for me. 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:54.519 Like trying to get Gilmore's tone is as much about trying to learn how to play like Gilmore as it is about trying to use pedals that are similar to Gilmore and dial them in similarly. 00:25:54.759 --> 00:26:03.719 And if AI just goes, there's your Gilmore tone, do I is it a bit like having a cheat code in a computer game? 00:26:03.959 --> 00:26:10.199 Like we all want to see the end level of a computer game, but when you do it via a cheat code, you miss out on all the fun of the game. 00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:14.439 Yeah, you've seen the end level, big deal, but you've missed the whole game. 00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:23.479 And If the game if the game is the sound, yes, but if the game is the songwriting, for example, it doesn't play that big of a part for some people. 00:26:23.719 --> 00:26:27.479 No, no, I and I get that, but I think for me, the game is all of it. 00:26:27.639 --> 00:26:30.199 It's the sound, it's the songwriting, it's the technique. 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:40.279 And I feel that what AI is leading us to with these kind of tone systems that you're gonna see in all modelers that are just like, what do you want to hear? 00:26:40.439 --> 00:26:49.319 I want a Leslie mic via uh SM57 through an old beer canister, and it'll go, here you go. 00:26:49.479 --> 00:26:55.239 This is what it sounds like,

you know, and I think we're gonna see a lot of that, and it's gonna get very dull very quickly. 00:26:55.559 --> 00:27:06.279 So I so I I'm probably at somewhere a little bit different, sort of there, but for example, as everyone knows, I'm huge into like distorted dirty tones, right? 00:27:06.679 --> 00:27:28.599 And it's because it's because I've thought about this, I look at it like coffee, you know, where yes, there's you can just get coffee from wherever, but some people are really into a certain bean from a certain location, that's roasted a certain way, that's glassware that's like in a chemistry set to brew one cup. 00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:30.759 And so to me, like it's like coffee. 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:35.239 I that's why I love so many distortions because they're like all different flavors of coffee. 00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:51.399 And look, this is an interesting um, this is an interesting point, actually, Brian, because my closest friend who is the same guy who doesn't care for music and would happily listen to an AI generated playlist, buys Amazon basic instant coffee. 00:27:51.719 --> 00:27:53.000 That's all he drinks. 00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:59.879 Amazon basic he literally can't tell the difference between a good coffee and that. 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:06.039 Whereas for me, I can tell if a coffee has been ground freshly or not. 00:28:06.199 --> 00:28:07.000 That's all that matters. 00:28:07.159 --> 00:28:11.559 If you're making coffee, the way you make it is less important than just grinding beans. 00:28:11.959 --> 00:28:18.119 Even just the the type of coffee pot, the brand, the model, like all this stuff is huge. 00:28:18.439 --> 00:28:22.759 So my my family makes fun of me because like you can just end it there. 00:28:22.919 --> 00:28:23.879 My family makes fun of me. 00:28:24.439 --> 00:28:24.759 That's enough. 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:33.799 But but for one reason in this particular area, it's because I will only drink coffee from one specific coffee maker that that I insist on buying every time. 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:35.719 What what make is it, Brian? 00:28:35.879 --> 00:28:36.679 It's a bun. 00:28:37.399 --> 00:28:38.439 No, that's that's the type of. 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:43.639 So it's not that it's the best, that it's it's good enough for me to get my day started. 00:28:43.879 --> 00:28:45.000 I'm having a look at it now. 00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:45.559 Bun, coffee. 00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:46.839 And there's a bunch of different ones. 00:28:46.919 --> 00:28:47.879 I forget the exact model. 00:28:47.959 --> 00:28:50.199 I'd have to look it up in my Amazon bit. 00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:58.519 Um Okay, so so that is from what I'm looking at, these are your basic filter drip coffee makers. 00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:03.559 But it it holds water, it always holds hot water, so it makes it very quickly. 00:29:03.879 --> 00:29:08.519 But also the the way and the the way that it sprays the water on the coffee makes a difference. 00:29:08.679 --> 00:29:11.399 The temperature that it sprays on the water makes a difference. 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.759 The quality of water that you put inside of it makes a difference. 00:29:14.919 --> 00:29:15.079 Yeah. 00:29:15.239 --> 00:29:18.519 So like I I use just this is stupid. 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:23.559 I insist on using a certain type of water, a certain brand of water to put it in my coffee maker. 00:29:23.879 --> 00:29:25.159 Use bottled water for your coffee. 00:29:25.479 --> 00:29:27.319 Because it tastes you. 00:29:27.719 --> 00:29:34.039 That well, so I'm saying, like, I I'm really not that fancy among everything else, but I am a stickler on freaking coffee. 00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:39.399 Like it's it's it's Guatemalan beans, it's this brand, it's roast because it's roasted this way. 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:41.399 Wow. 00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:44.359 Um and then and it's Guatemalan beans from Antigua. 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:45.079 That's different. 00:29:45.159 --> 00:29:52.839 That's a city in so interesting because um I I mean I'm sort of there. 00:29:53.239 --> 00:29:55.559 I have a very basic coffee maker. 00:29:55.639 --> 00:29:59.879 It's um oh, it's uh it is a an American brand. 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:01.719 Um, I forget the name now. 00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:02.919 If I just type in Mr. 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:04.519 Coffee, no, no, no, no. 00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:05.639 It'll come up. 00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:11.879 Uh but I use no, it's uh we've had that conversation, they don't exist over there. 00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:18.519 Um god, it's a really simple make, like I forget what it is. 00:30:18.679 --> 00:30:20.199 Okay, so in art it is. 00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:20.839 Quizzing art. 00:30:20.919 --> 00:30:21.479 That's okay. 00:30:21.719 --> 00:30:22.199 Yeah, I got you. 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:29.399 And it's a very simple, you put coffee beans into the grinder, it grinds them and it pumps its water up. 00:30:29.479 --> 00:30:37.159 It's got a little filter element in it, so it's got a carbon fiber, uh, carbon fiber, carbon filter, so it filters the water a little bit, right? 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:39.319 Uh, and it just drips it in. 00:30:39.399 --> 00:30:40.839 It's just a regular coffee machine. 00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:45.159 No, no, like like fluff, none of that. 00:30:45.239 --> 00:30:47.159 And it makes a really, very good carp of coffee. 00:30:47.239 --> 00:30:50.359 And I just have the same beans delivered by Amazon, funnily enough. 00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:51.559 I get the same beans as well. 00:30:51.719 --> 00:30:53.719 Yeah, just every every month I have the same beans. 00:30:53.879 --> 00:30:56.679 In fact, I have a really big problem because my normal beans are out of stock. 00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:58.919 Well, mine's doubled in price. 00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:00.519 They're more expensive, too. 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:07.159 But I'm frantically trying to find Antigua Guatemalan beans with the same roast that are

similar to what I've been drinking. 00:31:07.399 --> 00:31:09.879 Sounds like a business opportunity for the Oliver. 00:31:10.199 --> 00:31:12.039 I mean, do you live in Antigua? 00:31:12.199 --> 00:31:16.039 No, but I would very easily be able to fake you a label that says I do. 00:31:16.199 --> 00:31:19.239 It's a beautiful city if you want to move and make some coffee for me. 00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:26.519 But again, you know, we we each have our coffee preferences, they're not a million miles away from each other. 00:31:26.679 --> 00:31:28.919 Like that, they are consistent. 00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:32.439 We we both like it a certain way, and it's not particularly fancy. 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:36.439 Like I say, I've seen people making coffee using chemistry equipment. 00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:42.759 You know, people I would totally, if I had the extra time, like if I was awake enough in the morning, I would totally do something different. 00:31:42.919 --> 00:31:43.719 Absolutely, 100%. 00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:55.559 And and you know, I went for a phase of spending a fortune at Starbucks because we've got one a mile away, and you know, it was like uh which I would argue is not that great a coffee, but it's convenient. 00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:56.919 Well, yeah. 00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:05.319 Uh and also compared to the coffee, like the coffee we grew up in this country on was all instant, disgusting coffee. 00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:05.799 What? 00:32:05.879 --> 00:32:08.599 Yeah, I haven't drink instant coffee since I was probably five. 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:11.079 I was probably about 20 when I gave up. 00:32:11.239 --> 00:32:15.159 I mean, I still have to have it from time to time in offices where that's all they've got. 00:32:15.639 --> 00:32:18.359 We should pause for a second in case you're just joining the conversation. 00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:24.119 We're analogizing coffee with distortion, in case you're wondering. 00:32:24.919 --> 00:32:28.839 Uh but um I've I've lost the plot now. 00:32:28.919 --> 00:32:30.039 I don't know where I've gone. 00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:37.000 So you were talking about how um, you know, you used to drink instant coffee, but you now have a certain type of coffee pot. 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:42.119 So the most important thing for me is freshly ground beans. 00:32:42.199 --> 00:32:45.959 Now it seems one of the most important things for you is is the water. 00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:49.559 I've never tried Well, the it has to be it has to be fresh ground too. 00:32:49.959 --> 00:32:51.159 That's just kind of a given to me. 00:32:51.239 --> 00:32:51.399 Yeah. 00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:51.799 Yeah. 00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:59.159 I mean, that I think that's the biggest upgrade you can make to your morning Joe is make sure you just grind the beans fresh every time. 00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:01.079 Everything else, forget about it. 00:33:01.399 --> 00:33:09.559 And in the same way, I think when dealing with distortion overdrive pedals,

there's certain things that you want to do if you want it to be a certain way. 00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:21.799 Which is why, like, for example, while I think a lot of pedals on the market do just fine, for my particular purposes, I am so finicky that I prefer to make my own. 00:33:22.199 --> 00:33:25.479 Which is how I got started because I I didn't like what was available. 00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:26.439 I was making them for me. 00:33:26.679 --> 00:33:44.919 And actually, although I make a joke about uh, you know, the the origins of Oliver effects and all that, it's also how I got started because I was looking for a muff style fuzz that didn't get oversaturated, that I could use for any solo ever, and it still sounded articulate. 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:48.119 And when I found it, I was like, everyone else needs to hear this. 00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:53.559 Uh, but yeah, I'm glad to hear that you only use bottled water when you make your distortion pedals. 00:33:53.639 --> 00:33:54.119 That's really important. 00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:57.639 Yes, bottled water with distortion pedals is the way to go. 00:33:57.719 --> 00:33:59.719 It's it's what stills in the tone. 00:34:00.199 --> 00:34:08.760 This does bring me on to uh conveniently another point, um, which is I had that pedal moment in this last week. 00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:09.880 Now I mentioned this on the Patreon. 00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:11.239 That was last week, yes. 00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:13.960 But but this one's a slightly different one, Brian, right? 00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:20.679 Because I mentioned this on the Patreon, which we recorded on Saturday, and today is Tuesday as we record this. 00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:23.400 So apologies if you're gonna hear this twice. 00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:32.280 But one of the early uh purchasers of the Purple on Fuzz was our good friend Paul Cudderford, who plays the Boomtown Rats. 00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:34.119 He was on the podcast a few years ago. 00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:39.159 He was, uh, and he we should get him on again, actually, because he's done some amazing things since then. 00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:41.400 Check this out, Brian. 00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:43.559 I I had this exact conversation with Blake. 00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:45.639 So let's see how it goes with you. 00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:51.079 Name one of the biggest American bands still touring. 00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:52.920 Lynch Bob. 00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:56.039 Number two biggest American band. 00:34:56.199 --> 00:35:00.759 Like, if I said to you Garth, okay, I'm gonna narrow it down. 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:04.920 Biggest American hair soft rock band. 00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:06.519 Hair, soft rock band? 00:35:06.759 --> 00:35:07.719 Give me some examples. 00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:08.920 Uh uh, okay. 00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:10.519 Um hair, soft rock band. 00:35:10.759 --> 00:35:11.960 What the hell does that even mean? 00:35:12.359 --> 00:35:15.559 Like very famous chart success. 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:16.679 Like poison? 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:19.079 Like poison, but bigger. 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:20.920 Motley Crue? 00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:22.920 Like Motley Crue, but bigger. 00:35:23.319 --> 00:35:24.039 Guns and Roses. 00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:27.159 Like Guns and Roses, arguably not bigger. 00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:28.599 But on a on a pile. 00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:31.000 I don't follow this enough. 00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:31.400 I don't know. 00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:32.920 I'm gonna give you a clue, Bri. 00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:34.440 You're halfway there. 00:35:36.279 --> 00:35:37.079 Bon Jovi. 00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:38.599 Bon Jovi, right? 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:41.880 Now, would you argue with me that they're one of the biggest touring? 00:35:42.359 --> 00:35:44.839 Our good friend Phil X plays for Bon Jovi, I think. 00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:49.719 And you know, Richie Sambora was an amazing guitar player. 00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:54.119 Um some of the greatest tones committed to record, okay? 00:35:54.279 --> 00:35:54.519 Yeah. 00:35:54.759 --> 00:35:58.440 Boomtown Rats with Paul Cutterford are opening for flipping Bon Jovi. 00:35:58.679 --> 00:35:59.480 That's awesome. 00:35:59.799 --> 00:36:05.159 When I saw that, I was like, uh and we were casually chatting, and he went, Oh, yeah, that reminds me. 00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:07.079 I was playing the purple on Fuzz the other day. 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:09.319 He said the guitarist from Madness heard it. 00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:10.119 I was like, what? 00:36:10.279 --> 00:36:11.799 And he's like, Yeah, he thought it was really good. 00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:19.000 He said, Also, uh, we're at a festival and and feeder were there, and they all loved my tone, dude, and it was all through your pedal. 00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:23.719 I'm like, dude, in my band, we cover a feeder song. 00:36:23.799 --> 00:36:25.799 We do Buck Rogers, which is one of their songs. 00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:29.880 Dude, this is how mind-blowing is this, Brian. 00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:33.559 So it's oh, it's fantastic, especially when it happens. 00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:38.119 Like when it happens and it's never happened before, literally, it literally makes you weak. 00:36:38.279 --> 00:36:39.159 For absolutely for sure. 00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:39.639 A hundred. 00:36:40.359 --> 00:36:47.480 I I distinctly remember like the first big name artists, and then I was just like, oh my god, I can't believe they're using my stuff. 00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:49.159 Um, but I would argue this. 00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:53.400 You know how you've seen memes on the internet about, oh, I will pay you in exposure bucks. 00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:54.039 Yep. 00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:55.960 This is how business works. 00:36:56.199 --> 00:37:02.199 If you get a free pedal on someone's board who goes to these festivals, oh I see. 00:37:02.359 --> 00:37:04.199 Oh, I see where this is going, Brian. 00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:10.119 And people like it, you're going to

be exposed to all these different artists. 00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:14.039 And then they're going to do interviews and they're going to do rig rundowns. 00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:16.279 And that's part of the marketing. 00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:19.239 So, yes, exposure bucks is a fucking real thing. 00:37:19.799 --> 00:37:20.119 It is. 00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:22.920 Oh, we're now going to have to mark this as an explicit episode. 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:23.639 Um, sorry. 00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:25.079 But Brian has the sweats. 00:37:25.319 --> 00:37:26.679 That is that is a passionate point. 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:27.719 But it is a passionate. 00:37:28.359 --> 00:37:31.480 I do not like the idea where people argue about exposure bucks. 00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:32.920 No, exposure bucks are real. 00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:34.679 Smart exposure bucks are good. 00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:35.799 No, they are. 00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:38.279 Look, I've already spent some, you know. 00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:41.000 I sent a pedal off to Tom Quayle. 00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:43.079 Uh, I couldn't afford to pay him any cash. 00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:46.440 And I said, look, dude, uh, here's my pedal. 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:49.159 Can you just do me like a couple of minute demo? 00:37:49.319 --> 00:37:50.279 Please, please. 00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:51.719 And he was like, Of course. 00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:54.039 And he did like a 10-minute wonder demo. 00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:55.719 I was like, dude, that's amazing. 00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:00.279 I was like, after the episode we did, you like, you should send one to Dan and Mick. 00:38:00.359 --> 00:38:06.679 I was like, I should, but I know how busy those guys are, and it may not even get on there, but hey, what have I got to lose? 00:38:06.759 --> 00:38:08.920 And I sent them one and forgot about it almost. 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:09.239 Yeah. 00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:12.759 And then suddenly my phone's blowing up and it's all over the internet. 00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:18.279 And you know, it it's moved a couple, could do with moving a few more if anyone's thinking about buying it. 00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:20.440 Well, but keep in mind that's that's an evergreen video. 00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:24.039 So who the hell knows what's going to happen for the next three years, five years, ten years? 00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:25.480 Exactly that. 00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:35.159 Um, and you can't beat it, but it it I really wanted to just share the moment with you because I know you've had that same moment. 00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:39.000 I know you've had that kind of he's using my stuff. 00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:40.839 And I knew Paul had bought one. 00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:45.559 And and look, Paul is an absolute gent and a true friend, and so much sober. 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:54.359 I probably shouldn't tell you this, but I gave him my own personal black 65, and we don't have any more black 65s, so I kind of screwed myself. 00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:58.039 But he was using it on a tour, and I was like, you need this pedal, dude. 00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:00.519 He's real see that now that floors me. 00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:02.119 What is he using that for? 00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:08.839 Um I will find out whether he's still using it and what he was using it for for you. 00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:23.159 Because to me, like it's you know, keep in mind we designed that in like 2014 or something, but that was super handy to have in case like you needed some sort of direct, um, you know, direct path into some sort of cabinet simulator. 00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:24.759 He was not using it like that. 00:39:24.839 --> 00:39:37.079 I think he was using it more as a kind of uh like I'm gonna say gain polisher, you know, just kind of like add a little bit more grit and texture before the gain kicks. 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:42.359 Another thing I like to do with that is use it as a preamp into a uh effects uh effects return. 00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:43.239 Yeah, you know. 00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:49.480 Oh, I wonder if that wonder if that will work with I've said too much. 00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:57.159 Um, but so he's a like I say, good friend, real gentleman, bought one of my pedals straight away, really just to support me. 00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:03.799 Like he'd never heard it or anything, and he's using it like live with one of the biggest post-punk bands. 00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:10.199 Okay, you know, arguably he has come in late in the day to this band and they're past their peak. 00:40:10.279 --> 00:40:13.639 That doesn't matter, they're touring with frickin' Bon Jovi. 00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:18.839 Uh, but um yeah, it's uh unreal, Brian. 00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:19.960 I have another point to make. 00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:22.440 Two two very quick points to make. 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:30.440 One, if you're an artist and your name begins with Lil, I'm not listening to you unless it's Lily Allen. 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:33.719 If your name is Lil Wayne, Lil Wayne, yeah. 00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:37.239 Yeah, Lil Brian, Lil Blake, forget it. 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:38.759 I have never seen an artist. 00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:42.199 Can you trust someone that can't even be bothered to spell little? 00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:45.400 I don't think you can, Brian. 00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:47.719 I think that is a marker right there. 00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:51.799 Um I mean, it's it's only a few more letters, just spell it out. 00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:53.639 Use an apostrophe as well. 00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:54.279 Come on. 00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:59.159 Uh so I'm not happy with anyone that uses Lil as their prefix. 00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:05.319 I you know, that's I of course I'm familiar with Lil Wayne, but I have never heard any music that I would recognize. 00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:08.759 I don't think it's not my thing, there's not much distortion in that. 00:41:08.839 --> 00:41:10.599 So not enough, certainly. 00:41:10.839 --> 00:41:18.679 Um

the next thing, Floyd Rose have put out a limited edition paisley etched trim. 00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:21.480 And Bri Paisley etched trim. 00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:29.880 So it's got like the paisley symbols in like white and black on the uh etched into the metal, okay. 00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:33.079 And then etched into the metal is the paisley pattern. 00:41:33.319 --> 00:41:34.119 That's interesting. 00:41:34.359 --> 00:41:35.000 That looks cool, man. 00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:37.000 Beautiful trim unit. 00:41:37.319 --> 00:41:38.920 I want that badly. 00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:41.239 Just a cure out of curiosity. 00:41:41.319 --> 00:41:42.920 Well, actually, a couple of curiosities. 00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:46.279 One, is anyone offering this service on the side? 00:41:46.359 --> 00:41:52.759 Like let's say they have you know a CNC machine or something, and maybe I want Wampler emblems all over my Tremolo. 00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:53.319 Yes. 00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:54.519 Yes. 00:41:54.759 --> 00:41:55.799 That's one question. 00:41:56.039 --> 00:42:01.639 Uh, another question is what other things besides Paisley do they do any other designs? 00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:02.839 Not that I know. 00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:14.440 Um, this is the first time I've ever seen a custom-etched because Brad Paisley doesn't really use many not known as the king of the wham, the whammy bar, is he? 00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:14.679 Yeah. 00:42:14.839 --> 00:42:16.679 But it you know, it doesn't matter. 00:42:16.759 --> 00:42:28.920 This thing looks hot, and I think this is your excuse to start building a kind of super strat country fied guitar as a project. 00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:33.480 Like Paisley strat body, but humbucker pickups. 00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:37.239 Um, I don't like locking Floyd's on on strats. 00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:40.039 I think this podcast has just ended here. 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:43.079 Well, I mean, because to me it belongs on a different guitar. 00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:44.679 Like, for example, I got Ivanes. 00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:45.799 Yeah, Superstrat. 00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:46.839 It works true for that. 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:47.159 Yeah. 00:42:47.319 --> 00:42:50.839 Um, my super strat, which is the one I broke the neck on a while back, it does not. 00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:52.519 It has a standard tremolo on it. 00:42:52.759 --> 00:42:54.039 That doesn't qualify. 00:42:54.359 --> 00:42:59.559 But the um so the Sinister Gates uh Schechter, that's got a locking trim. 00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:00.199 It's fantastic. 00:43:00.359 --> 00:43:01.799 Yeah, fantastic guitar. 00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:02.839 What else do I have? 00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:05.960 I'm trying to I think that's the only thing I have with a locking trim. 00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:09.000 I'm really gutted I never got one of those Sinister Gates guitars. 00:43:09.319 --> 00:43:12.920 I want like a Jackson that's neon that takes me back to when I was a kid, man. 00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:13.719 Yeah, me

too. 00:43:13.799 --> 00:43:20.359 Uh oh, dude, I've posted something on the um Wampler um uh social media feeds this week. 00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:24.359 It was a Jackson that our good friend Ben Carlin spotted in a shop. 00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:30.759 Oh it's a beautiful green body and a beautiful green back neck. 00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:37.639 And what's nice about it, it's kind of sandwiched the green in between the headstock finish, and it just looks so good. 00:43:37.799 --> 00:43:38.679 I'm still there, dude. 00:43:38.759 --> 00:43:43.880 But I think I think you need to make a neon pink paisley like spiky guitar. 00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:45.880 I think that's a project for you waiting to happen, bro. 00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:47.319 You're you mean to build a guitar? 00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:48.199 Yeah, yeah, build a guitar. 00:43:49.799 --> 00:43:51.239 That is not happening. 00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:52.599 Last point for today. 00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:56.279 I am and this is because I am that is one thing I'm terrible at. 00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:56.839 Rubbish. 00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:58.679 I am terrible at setting up guitars. 00:43:58.920 --> 00:43:59.400 Rubbish. 00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:01.000 I know. 00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:04.679 And this is coming from a guy that like used to build cabinets and instrument houses. 00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:06.759 Yeah, you can build a house. 00:44:07.319 --> 00:44:09.480 But I'm like, uh, I don't know. 00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:17.719 I every time I hand my guitar to the guy that works on my guitars, I'm like, I don't know how I screwed this up so bad, but somehow I've completely messed this whole thing. 00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:21.000 Somehow all of the frets on this are at different heights. 00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:24.359 I don't know how I've done it, but please fix it. 00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:29.480 Um ever invented a multi-height fret guitar? 00:44:29.799 --> 00:44:32.599 Oh, that's another invention for Wompl Oliver. 00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:36.359 I like frets that you can raise up and down. 00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:39.799 You know, you've got like a little kind of crank. 00:44:40.279 --> 00:44:45.319 Candle at the size, or even just like uh uh you know, a digital digital button, you know, just lowers. 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:48.839 I mean, I'm not being funny, imagine that, right? 00:44:49.319 --> 00:44:52.599 Wow, that would be so cool, right? 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:53.719 That's what I'm saying. 00:44:53.799 --> 00:45:07.480 Yes, last subject for today involves one of our wonderful patrons because I caught uh an article in Premier Guitar about Grez guitars, uh, and Barry is a patron, and thank you, Barry. 00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:11.559 We appreciate that, and uh it it's had a number of effects. 00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:17.799 One, it's made me realize I really do like the work he does, and I I've been a fan of his guitars for a while. 00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:19.639 He is a master, yes. 00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:40.679 And two,

it's made me realise I need one of his base sixes because I've been after a base six for a while, and someone did once mention to me, I know names mentioned Blake Wyland, that Grez guitars may make a good one, but I never really looked at it, and so I was reading this article, and it was more about how he'd become famous for like bass guitars recently and like moved over to that. 00:45:40.839 --> 00:45:43.880 I was like, interesting, and then I saw it, Bri. 00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:49.880 I saw this lovely uh basics looking uh Grez guitar. 00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:51.719 I'm like, yes, I need one. 00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:55.079 So, Barry, we're gonna have to talk about that, I'm afraid. 00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:56.679 Um, but kudos to him. 00:45:56.759 --> 00:46:01.960 He's what I didn't realize is he came from apogee interfaces or software, I guess. 00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:02.759 I didn't know that. 00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:04.599 So he's been in the industry a long time. 00:46:04.759 --> 00:46:12.920 He's a I'm gonna say he's a bit of a genius, and he could probably invent us our self-leveling fret system that we're gonna say. 00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:17.000 I was gonna say, has he thought about making frets move up and down on the frontboard? 00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:19.400 Barry, if you're listening to this, talk to me. 00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:21.239 Let's do a licensing deal. 00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:22.519 Me, you, and Brian. 00:46:23.319 --> 00:46:25.799 I came up with the idea what you could license off me. 00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:31.960 Yeah, I mean, it'll be a standard Brian license, which is 90% to Brian and 10% to Brian. 00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:33.880 But other than that, right. 00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:37.559 Brian's very fair in business listeners. 00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:39.639 I'm just ripping him for the lolz. 00:46:39.799 --> 00:46:41.000 But I'm seriously impressed with you. 00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:42.679 I'm known to be the shyster. 00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:46.039 You know, that's that's that's my personality. 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:48.039 It really isn't, Bri. 00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:49.480 I wish more people were like you. 00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:55.880 Right, we're running out of time, so I'm going to say a huge thank you to all of our executive producers, Bri. 00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:56.679 Is that all right? 00:46:56.839 --> 00:46:57.400 Yeah. 00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:13.480 Okay, so big thanks to Bill Bays, Andrew Atkins, David Tyndall, Dave Trombetti, Eric Wilson, Vidar Frost, and Michael Freer, Sean Arbo of Gun Street Wiring, Rick Calhoun of Honeypick, some awesome new picks uh that I've seen on their website. 00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:14.199 I'm just saying. 00:47:14.359 --> 00:47:20.440 Patrice Fournays, Dylan Talks Tone, who is on the tone mob this week, I believe, or next week, or whenever. 00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:29.639 Uh, Missouri Electrical Box Company, Kevin Harrington, Barry from Grez Guitars, maker of the finest bass six this planet has ever

seen. 00:47:29.799 --> 00:47:33.159 Tom Kelly, Jake Young of the Man the Helm podcast. 00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:44.440 Uh Pigsy, John O'Neill, Robert Carr, Hunter Hudson, uh Robbie Stokes, Nikki Spano, uh, Sasha Sir, Jay Stratton, Harry Post. 00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:46.519 That's Jay Stratton of the Hitchhikers. 00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:52.279 Harry Post, Grumpy Mike, Harvey Pedles, Allison Carroll, Bum Lazery, Anthony Steve. 00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:54.199 Someone's putting Y's on all of these. 00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:59.000 Atta plays guitar, Philip Carter of the 40W podcast. 00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:00.039 We love you, bro. 00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:07.000 Christopher Logan, Jason Engelhart, Dylan Lewis of Leeward Sound, Josh, James Thompson, Colin Littlejohn. 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:07.960 He's got a cool channel. 00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:09.159 He does some cool stuff. 00:48:09.319 --> 00:48:19.719 Uh Michete of Odin, Derek Lyons, Darth Bagel, Dustin Romero, the Wizard of Waz, Crappy Tom, Bud Cole, Sentient Ponytail. 00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.279 I enjoyed our conversation about that last week. 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:26.039 DJ Farns, Kyle Viana, Robert Hahn. 00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:28.359 You changed that too. 00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:29.559 John Hill, Nickel. 00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:30.920 Okay. 00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:32.679 Kyle Ray, your face. 00:48:32.839 --> 00:48:36.679 Dave, Evangelista of the Guitar Dads podcast. 00:48:36.839 --> 00:48:38.920 Roxy Gwynn already had a why in it. 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:43.719 Derek Howe, Churchill of Cam Girls, plus Rossi Edwards, and William E. 00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:44.920 Pricey. 00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:50.119 Uh, you are all wonderful people, except Brian Wompler, who's double wonderful. 00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:51.079 All right. 00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:52.679 We'll talk to you next week. 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:53.559 Bye. 00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:55.880 Thanks for listening to the Chasing Tone Podcast. 00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:02.359 If you have any comments, questions, or concerns, shoot me an email at podcast at womplerpedals.com and I'll personally get your email. 00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:05.000 You can reach Blake at infotonemob.com. 00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:07.480 Richard is Richard at WamplerPedals.com. 00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:14.199 If you want to support the show, the easiest and free way is just to share this episode with a friend, leave a rating and review wherever you listen. 00:49:14.359 --> 00:49:15.400 Helps more than you know. 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.719 Be sure to check out Blake's other podcast called the Tone Mob for even more guitar talk. 00:49:19.799 --> 00:49:22.519 And if you love pedals, of course, check out WamplerPedals.com. 00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:29.079 If you're curious about designing and building your own guitar pedals, head over to guitarpedalcourse.com for step-by-step courses. 00:49:29.319 --> 00:49:36.759 And for bonus content, behind the scene discussions, and extra fun, join us on patreon.com slash chasing tone podcast. 00:49:36.839 --> 00:49:37.239 Thanks again. 00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:39.000 We'll talk to you next week.