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here are the things that I find interesting about the 00:01:51.962 --> 00:01:53.262 text itself of Frankenstein. 00:01:53.342 --> 00:01:55.562 One, obviously it's a creation myth. 00:01:55.642 --> 00:02:00.042 It talks specifically about what it is to create something that is separate 00:02:00.042 --> 00:02:06.252 from you and can potentially act without your consent or approval or, involvement. 00:02:06.652 --> 00:02:11.322 Um, I think it is also, uh, crucially missing from the film, a story about 00:02:11.422 --> 00:02:15.882 childbirth and, kind of the horrors of pregnancy and the horrors of 00:02:15.882 --> 00:02:21.042 postpartum and the, like, idea that you can be disgusted by something 00:02:21.042 --> 00:02:24.922 that you've created that you are supposed to be happy and proud of. 00:02:25.242 --> 00:02:28.772 I also think that it is a story about the original patient of 00:02:28.792 --> 00:02:31.292 affluenza, Victor Frankenstein. 00:02:31.542 --> 00:02:35.162 This man in the first 10 pa- so first of all, I guess I should say, for those 00:02:35.162 --> 00:02:37.312 who haven't read the book, um, spoilers. 00:02:37.352 --> 00:02:43.382 It's about a rich, privileged, extremely, to put it gently, self-centered young 00:02:43.382 --> 00:02:47.782 man who believes that he is smarter than everyone that's ever lived and 00:02:47.782 --> 00:02:53.522 can for sure be God, and proves it by creating a human-like creature 00:02:53.652 --> 00:02:57.552 which he will never give a name or refer to by anything other than, like, 00:02:57.562 --> 00:02:59.962 the devil, the fiend, the creature. 00:03:00.132 --> 00:03:01.382 So… doesn't have a name. 00:03:01.948 --> 00:03:05.838 Imagine like, imagine having a kid, which by the way, he specifically says 00:03:05.838 --> 00:03:08.668 he worked on for two years, night and day, and you didn't even think of a name. 00:03:08.668 --> 00:03:10.568 You didn't even like, in your mind, you weren't even like, "Yeah, 00:03:10.568 --> 00:03:13.228 maybe like John, maybe like Karen." 00:03:13.238 --> 00:03:14.388 No, nothing. 00:03:14.568 --> 00:03:16.588 He was just sort of like, "But what if I could do it, though?" 00:03:16.948 --> 00:03:20.748 He then, uh, is disgusted by what he's done, and the consequences of 00:03:20.748 --> 00:03:22.748 his actions, are too much for him. 00:03:23.168 --> 00:03:27.258 And he has about 20 nervous breakdowns in succession over the course of the book. 00:03:27.598 --> 00:03:31.538 Meanwhile, everything continues to be given to him freely, and everyone 00:03:31.538 --> 00:03:36.388 loves him and thinks he's the best, and the creature slowly… essentially 00:03:36.388 --> 00:03:41.528 resorts to murder and violence as a way to get attention from Daddy. 00:03:41.628 --> 00:03:44.278 It is at the same time a creation story. 00:03:44.288 --> 00:03:45.758 It's a story about bad parenting. 00:03:45.768 --> 00:03:47.748 It's a story about loneliness. 00:03:47.758 --> 00:03:53.058 It's a story

about kind of whether we are, in a vacuum, what we are, 00:03:53.068 --> 00:03:54.698 or whether society shapes us, right? 00:03:54.698 --> 00:03:55.658 Nature versus nurture. 00:03:55.678 --> 00:03:59.118 There's so many interesting questions in there, none of which, again, I 00:03:59.118 --> 00:04:00.088 believe that the movie got into. 00:04:00.088 --> 00:04:02.528 So anyway, my favorite things about Frankenstein. 00:04:02.538 --> 00:04:06.078 Number one, in the first 10 pages of the book, Victor tells 00:04:06.078 --> 00:04:07.708 us, like, he's not prompted. 00:04:07.708 --> 00:04:11.608 He just sort of says, "By the way, as a child, my parents gave me everything. 00:04:11.618 --> 00:04:12.318 They loved me. 00:04:12.318 --> 00:04:13.818 They gave me a perfect education. 00:04:13.858 --> 00:04:14.678 I was rich. 00:04:14.928 --> 00:04:15.918 Everything was great. 00:04:16.038 --> 00:04:20.078 They told me I was wonderful all the time, and they also went and found 00:04:20.078 --> 00:04:23.928 an orphan girl who was beautiful and gave her to me as a present." 00:04:24.308 --> 00:04:29.208 Um, so literally a creation story in the sense that he had a benevolent set of 00:04:29.208 --> 00:04:31.518 creators who were like, "You're great. 00:04:31.718 --> 00:04:32.678 You're our creation. 00:04:32.678 --> 00:04:33.248 We love you. 00:04:33.248 --> 00:04:34.128 We want the best for you. 00:04:34.128 --> 00:04:36.708 We're trying to create a great world for you, and we're also giving you 00:04:37.208 --> 00:04:41.248 a creature that is your equal, but also a woman, so not really your 00:04:41.248 --> 00:04:42.558 equal." And that's another thing. 00:04:42.558 --> 00:04:45.118 I think Mary Shelley was actually, for all that the book doesn't pass 00:04:45.118 --> 00:04:48.138 the Bechdel test, Mary Shelley was more interested in the plight of 00:04:48.178 --> 00:04:50.038 every woman in this than Del Toro was. 00:04:50.038 --> 00:04:50.658 But that's fine. 00:04:50.878 --> 00:04:51.368 Whatever. 00:04:51.808 --> 00:04:55.738 Number two, the creature subsequently, at various points in the book, 00:04:55.738 --> 00:04:59.328 sort of asks why he does not receive all of these things, right? 00:04:59.388 --> 00:05:03.498 The love of a parent, an education that wasn't sort of cobbled together from 00:05:03.498 --> 00:05:08.218 hiding in a shed and watching people creepily, um, and also a woman, uh, 00:05:08.668 --> 00:05:12.298 because he's raised on this sort of weird Christian hegemony that's like, 00:05:12.298 --> 00:05:16.768 well, obviously, uh, the only way to have an equal is to have the same but 00:05:16.988 --> 00:05:18.978 different so you can fuck them, I guess. 00:05:19.738 --> 00:05:25.284 Um, third, the real like- This is the only part that I think del Toro kind 00:05:25.284 --> 00:05:27.934 of got into, but I don't think he did it in a way that was interesting to me. 00:05:28.774 --> 00:05:32.324 The Creature and Victor both, throughout the entire book, spend a 00:05:32.324 --> 00:05:36.464 lot of time essentially bemoaning, "If only I'd stayed in nature, in 00:05:36.464 --> 00:05:39.394 this state of simplicity." Like, one wonders if she was in conversation 00:05:39.394 --> 00:05:42.054 a bit with the transcendentalists because she's… It's a lot like— 00:05:42.552 --> 00:05:44.732 Demetria: she was absolutely on some Rousseau shit 00:05:45.438 --> 00:05:45.548 Magali: For sure. 00:05:45.548 --> 00:05:48.688 I mean, it was like "I went into the mountains and I suddenly remembered 00:05:48.688 --> 00:05:53.328 that life is worth living. And then I remembered that I had created a 00:05:53.328 --> 00:05:56.378 monster and that it was chasing me and my family, and then I was sad." 00:05:56.558 --> 00:06:00.728 But also, Victor at various points in the book is like, "Well, if only my dad 00:06:00.738 --> 00:06:05.038 had not said that he hated Agrippa, then I probably wouldn't be in this pickle. 00:06:05.038 --> 00:06:09.278 If only this professor hadn't been kind of disparaging about my reading list 00:06:09.298 --> 00:06:12.578 prior to attending his seminar, then I probably wouldn't have done this." 00:06:12.598 --> 00:06:16.448 Like, everything is anyone except Victor Frankenstein's fault, which 00:06:16.448 --> 00:06:19.688 again, just brings me back to the, like, patient zero for affluenza, right? 00:06:19.688 --> 00:06:24.058 Like, I spent two years night and day intentionally constructing, 00:06:24.468 --> 00:06:28.138 picking up organs from various cadavers that I acquired in places 00:06:28.138 --> 00:06:30.048 that are not mentioned in the text. 00:06:30.358 --> 00:06:34.348 You know, making veins, sewing little lungs together, making a face, 00:06:34.398 --> 00:06:36.168 giving it long, lustrous black hair. 00:06:36.168 --> 00:06:38.188 The lustrousness is mentioned multiple times. 00:06:38.578 --> 00:06:42.998 And then only when it opens its eyes and looks at him, he's like, "Oh, I 00:06:42.998 --> 00:06:49.288 might have done something that is a lot, actually, and, like, I don't like that." 00:06:49.518 --> 00:06:54.378 And then he literally just runs away, hides in his room, cries, goes to sleep. 00:06:55.218 --> 00:06:58.758 The next morning, the creature is by his bedside like, "'Sup? 00:06:59.418 --> 00:07:02.788 Hi, I'm lost confused." He doesn't say that 'cause he doesn't have words yet, 00:07:03.038 --> 00:07:07.118 and Victor's like, "Oh my God, this horrible monster is persecuting me." 00:07:07.408 --> 00:07:10.518 And then he runs out into the streets and has, like, a two-year-long mental 00:07:10.518 --> 00:07:14.018 breakdown, during which the creature is, like, going off and having adventures… 00:07:14.118 --> 00:07:18.628 And like, there's a whole lot of crazy shit about what he learns from, books 00:07:18.818 --> 00:07:21.528 'cause he's mostly learning everything from books and by watching this one 00:07:21.698 --> 00:07:26.618 French family who has, like,

beautiful ideals of honor and what have you. 00:07:26.798 --> 00:07:30.188 Except that ultimately then they run away when they see him because he's ugly 00:07:30.188 --> 00:07:32.418 . What we see apparently matters more than anything else. 00:07:32.608 --> 00:07:36.988 So then the creature spends, you know, the next little while pursuing 00:07:36.998 --> 00:07:39.398 Victor, chasing him down, being like, "I'm gonna kill everybody 00:07:39.398 --> 00:07:40.368 you love." But he doesn't say that. 00:07:40.368 --> 00:07:44.158 He says, "Hey, I'm gonna make you as miserable and lonely as you have made me." 00:07:44.318 --> 00:07:46.228 And Victor's like, "So you're gonna kill me? 00:07:46.408 --> 00:07:47.028 Cool. 00:07:47.298 --> 00:07:49.928 I'll just shoot you with my gun." And then the monster proceeds to 00:07:49.928 --> 00:07:54.328 kill everyone Victor cares about, and Victor's like, "The monster tricked me!!! 00:07:54.908 --> 00:07:57.368 I thought that… I thought he was just gonna kill me. 00:07:57.368 --> 00:07:59.908 I didn't know he was gonna kill all my friends!!!!!" 00:08:00.278 --> 00:08:02.868 And I just think there's a lot in there, too, about like the monster 00:08:02.878 --> 00:08:04.578 asks Victor to create him a woman. 00:08:05.078 --> 00:08:08.138 That's completely underutilized in a lot of adaptations, and I think it 00:08:08.138 --> 00:08:12.008 really speaks to a fear that was then and now, like, very present of, like, 00:08:12.328 --> 00:08:14.238 are the "right people" propagating? 00:08:14.268 --> 00:08:16.778 Are the "right" people having babies? 00:08:16.978 --> 00:08:19.678 And there's a lot of interesting stuff, too, just like… Victor's attitude to 00:08:19.678 --> 00:08:21.218 the creature feels a lot sometimes… 00:08:21.218 --> 00:08:24.938 Like the anxieties of, like, a colonizer nation toward their colonies, where it's 00:08:24.938 --> 00:08:30.472 like, "Oh, it's bigger than me, and it's savager, and it's more primal, and it's 00:08:30.482 --> 00:08:34.042 scary. And like I made it promises and then I broke them, but it's actually 00:08:34.052 --> 00:08:35.992 their fault when they're mad at me." 00:08:36.412 --> 00:08:37.212 And ju- I don't know. 00:08:37.222 --> 00:08:40.252 Like there's so many interesting sociopolitical things that you 00:08:40.252 --> 00:08:43.072 could say, and you could also have made a monster fucker movie. 00:08:43.072 --> 00:08:44.172 I would've been super into that. 00:08:44.172 --> 00:08:48.072 But instead it was just kind of like a movie that was Crimson Peak 2.0. 00:08:48.072 --> 00:08:48.502 Um, and 00:08:48.526 --> 00:08:51.316 Demetria: Yeah, I, I actually, when I was watching the movie, I, I 00:08:51.316 --> 00:08:53.186 forgot what country it was set in. 00:08:53.186 --> 00:08:56.656 I, uh, for a while I, I thought they were Anglican and was like, 00:08:56.766 --> 00:08:59.402 "Girl, why are you talking about being in a monastery or a nunnery?" 00:08:59.452 --> 00:09:00.712 Magali: Like are all these crucifixes… 00:09:01.046 --> 00:09:01.966 Demetria: You're anglican." 00:09:02.652 --> 00:09:05.122 Magali: They were Swiss, which is also a choice, but it means that 00:09:05.172 --> 00:09:08.212 the monster's native language is French, which I also find fascinating 00:09:08.252 --> 00:09:09.562 to- and I forget every time. 00:09:09.572 --> 00:09:11.712 Like, there were so many things on this reread that I, like, 00:09:12.122 --> 00:09:13.872 remembered that I had forgotten. 00:09:13.872 --> 00:09:16.582 Lots of beautiful little details that with, uh, three seconds 00:09:16.582 --> 00:09:17.992 left I'm not gonna get into. 00:09:18.392 --> 00:09:19.802 Um, but 00:09:19.862 --> 00:09:20.752 Demetria: Oh yeah, that timer's goin'. 00:09:20.762 --> 00:09:21.112 Magali: Yeah 00:09:21.212 --> 00:09:22.502 The timer just went off. 00:09:22.552 --> 00:09:24.602 Uh, alas, my book report is over. 00:09:24.642 --> 00:09:27.242 It was half-baked at best, like the movie. 00:09:27.622 --> 00:09:28.072 But yeah. 00:09:28.172 --> 00:09:29.402 I mean, it's a great book. 00:09:30.132 --> 00:09:30.582 Read it. 00:09:30.632 --> 00:09:34.242 It's so small, like, compared to your modern doorstopper. 00:09:34.562 --> 00:09:35.322 It's worth a read. 00:09:36.622 --> 00:09:39.062 Demetria: Okay, should we go for some discussion questions for you? 00:09:39.562 --> 00:09:40.272 Magali: Yeah, hit me. 00:09:40.772 --> 00:09:43.452 Demetria: I wanna know what is the worst argument that you got into 00:09:43.452 --> 00:09:46.412 with your teacher or classmate about this book when you read it in class? 00:09:46.524 --> 00:09:48.894 Magali: Um, so my teacher was actually wonderful when we read this in 00:09:48.894 --> 00:09:50.734 class, so I have no beef against her. 00:09:50.744 --> 00:09:53.754 But the stupidest thing that I've ever heard about this book is essentially 00:09:53.754 --> 00:09:55.064 that there's only one monster in it. 00:09:55.134 --> 00:09:58.664 And the point, and this is another beef I have with the movie, the point 00:09:58.664 --> 00:10:02.334 is that there are two monsters, and they are both made, and they are both 00:10:02.334 --> 00:10:04.224 actually made by different mechanisms. 00:10:04.454 --> 00:10:07.744 Because Victor is turned into a monster by the fact that he's always had 00:10:07.774 --> 00:10:11.264 everything, and he has never experienced a single consequence in his entire life. 00:10:11.284 --> 00:10:16.234 Because every time that he has had a consequence happen to him, 20 people 00:10:16.244 --> 00:10:21.774 rush to his rescue financially, socially, politically, emotionally. 00:10:21.844 --> 00:10:24.364 He's just never, ever had to fall. 00:10:25.014 --> 00:10:30.414 And the creature is created as a monster because he's hideous, scary, large, 00:10:30.534 --> 00:10:34.064 threatening, and therefore, like, everyone just assumes the worst of him. 00:10:34.064 --> 00:10:37.154 And so finally he realizes that

the only way to sort of be heard is 00:10:37.154 --> 00:10:39.784 to, be what he is expected to be. 00:10:40.084 --> 00:10:42.164 And so I think it's very interesting that there's two different ways 00:10:42.164 --> 00:10:46.464 you can nurture, like, sociopathy essentially, from people who have 00:10:46.474 --> 00:10:48.994 both expressed that they have, like, these heavenly sentiments. 00:10:49.474 --> 00:10:52.144 Um, so yeah, I think the biggest argument that I've ever gotten in is 00:10:52.144 --> 00:10:54.724 just that, like, "Oh, only the monster's the monster," or, "Only Victor's the 00:10:54.724 --> 00:10:57.274 monster." And it's like, no, actually the point is that they're, they're both bad. 00:10:58.174 --> 00:10:59.754 They're codependent and toxic. 00:11:00.624 --> 00:11:01.714 Toxic yuri. 00:11:02.244 --> 00:11:05.014 Demetria: Okay, so if someone is giving you that Hollywood blank check 00:11:05.024 --> 00:11:09.284 and you get to adapt this any way you want, any setting, any style, 00:11:09.284 --> 00:11:11.754 focusing on any theme, what you doing? 00:11:11.954 --> 00:11:12.114 Magali: Ooh. 00:11:12.324 --> 00:11:12.494 Woo. 00:11:12.544 --> 00:11:13.084 Okay. 00:11:13.154 --> 00:11:17.244 I honestly do still wanna keep it very sort of, like, late 18th 00:11:17.254 --> 00:11:19.214 century, very, gothic aesthetic. 00:11:19.234 --> 00:11:22.394 Like, honestly, del Toro is still probably the pick for, like, artistic director. 00:11:22.394 --> 00:11:24.174 I just want script supervision. 00:11:24.614 --> 00:11:28.014 There's a whole subplot that gets ignored a lot when the creature does his first 00:11:28.014 --> 00:11:31.734 murder, the first person he ever kills is Victor Frankenstein's younger brother 00:11:31.754 --> 00:11:34.534 because he just kind of in a fit of rage, 'cause he's just trying to find 00:11:34.534 --> 00:11:38.264 his creator and, like, essentially have a talk with him about "Why did you make me? 00:11:38.264 --> 00:11:42.044 Because I'm hideous and no one loves me." The first person he meets with the name of 00:11:42.044 --> 00:11:46.254 Frankenstein is this kind of shitty little kid who's like, "My daddy will hear of 00:11:46.254 --> 00:11:47.874 it." Like, it's very Draco Malfoy kind of. 00:11:47.874 --> 00:11:51.124 And you know, to be fair, the kid feels threatened and scared 'cause a giant 00:11:51.124 --> 00:11:52.474 creature's trying to kill him or whatever. 00:11:52.474 --> 00:11:56.304 But he's like, "Oh, well, then I'm gonna kill you." And then the monster, 00:11:56.334 --> 00:12:01.544 having learned about laws from various adventures, realizes that, to throw 00:12:01.544 --> 00:12:04.524 suspicion off of himself, he needs to frame someone for the crime, so 00:12:04.524 --> 00:12:08.024 he plants the locket that the kid was wearing on a servant named Justine. 00:12:08.314 --> 00:12:11.284 Justine and Elizabeth, who is, Frankenstein's love interest, 00:12:11.284 --> 00:12:14.324 are the only two women who come close to passing the Bechdel test. 00:12:14.454 --> 00:12:14.894 Fun fact. 00:12:15.274 --> 00:12:18.674 Um, but Justine gets framed for the murder of this kid, and during the 00:12:18.674 --> 00:12:23.640 entirety of, the court sequence, Victor just keeps going, " Justine going to 00:12:23.640 --> 00:12:28.100 the gallows is actually happier than I because I know I'm guilty and she 00:12:28.100 --> 00:12:30.700 knows she's innocent, and it's more important to know you're innocent." 00:12:31.160 --> 00:12:33.610 You know, "I couldn't tell anyone that I did it 'cause that would make me 00:12:33.610 --> 00:12:36.150 seem crazy, and I can't seem crazy! 00:12:36.460 --> 00:12:38.160 So you know, just gonna let her die, I guess." 00:12:38.380 --> 00:12:41.710 So I think I would be more interested in all of the subplots that have to do with, 00:12:41.710 --> 00:12:47.100 like, the ways other people are victimized because of Victor's complete negligence 00:12:47.250 --> 00:12:51.500 is more interesting to me than, like, the actual revenge itself, despite the 00:12:51.500 --> 00:12:52.850 fact that they are intrinsically linked. 00:12:52.870 --> 00:12:56.730 And I think just, like, paying more attention to the personal harm 00:12:56.730 --> 00:12:58.230 that the creature is trying to do. 00:12:58.690 --> 00:12:59.530 Uh, I don't know. 00:12:59.550 --> 00:13:01.560 I think that's what I would spend my time on probably. 00:13:02.442 --> 00:13:04.080 Demetria: Oh, should I have a third discussion question? 00:13:04.540 --> 00:13:08.430 Okay, um, how angry does this book make you at Lord Byron? 00:13:09.184 --> 00:13:11.734 Magali: You know, actually, I think I was more mad at Percy Shelley 00:13:11.754 --> 00:13:14.764 by the end, 'cause I actually that Frankenstein… Like, having done a 00:13:14.774 --> 00:13:18.224 bit of, like, thinking about this and also, doing a Wikipedia rabbit hole or 00:13:18.224 --> 00:13:24.884 five, I think Victor is actually in a way closer to Percy than he is to Byron. 00:13:24.894 --> 00:13:26.114 He has this real… 00:13:26.124 --> 00:13:28.074 I mean, first of all, he has nervous breakdowns every five minutes. 00:13:28.524 --> 00:13:33.364 Um, he has women and, and people in his life that he has an obligation 00:13:33.364 --> 00:13:36.674 to that he just kinda keeps going like, "Meh." Like, "But this new 00:13:36.714 --> 00:13:38.104 thing is more interesting actually." 00:13:38.755 --> 00:13:44.305 The ending is very, is very Romantic, capital R. Like, there's this whole 00:13:44.315 --> 00:13:48.045 thing where, Victor dies thinking he's going to the angels of his loved ones, 00:13:48.045 --> 00:13:51.165 whereas he's, basically dedicated himself to, like, delusion and madness 00:13:51.165 --> 00:13:53.895 for the last, mm, s- two year or so. 00:13:54.135 --> 00:13:57.745 And the creature is like, "I'm gonna go literally burn myself to ash in a 00:13:57.775 --> 00:14:02.105 satanic hellish fire. And, like,

that's the proper ending for me, because 00:14:02.125 --> 00:14:05.735 obviously I'm a creature of hell." There's just something in that, like, 00:14:06.205 --> 00:14:09.335 both of them being convinced they're going to a certain place that, like, 00:14:09.335 --> 00:14:12.255 may or may not actually map to any of the behaviors that they've performed. 00:14:12.635 --> 00:14:15.345 That part was the most, like, Byronic, I think. 00:14:15.345 --> 00:14:18.175 But honestly, I was just mad at Percy Shelley for being like, " What if I 00:14:18.315 --> 00:14:23.785 kept getting my extremely depressed wife pregnant, and then she just kept 00:14:24.145 --> 00:14:29.005 having miscarriages that almost killed her or, like, losing infants, and, 00:14:29.015 --> 00:14:30.505 I can't believe she's so depressed. 00:14:30.505 --> 00:14:34.125 This seems like a her problem." Um, so I was mostly just mad at 00:14:34.125 --> 00:14:37.175 him because it felt like oh yeah, like… rejecting your responsibility 00:14:37.175 --> 00:14:38.545 for the creation of something? 00:14:39.275 --> 00:14:40.245 Hmm, interesting. 00:14:42.145 --> 00:14:42.695 Fascinating. 00:14:43.152 --> 00:14:43.659 Demetria: Hmm 00:14:43.915 --> 00:14:44.465 Magali: Juicy. 00:14:45.755 --> 00:14:46.365 Um- 00:14:46.462 --> 00:14:49.199 Demetria: I've never heard of a Gothic novel with any subtext in it before. 00:14:49.323 --> 00:14:50.349 Magali: No, I don't that 00:14:50.382 --> 00:14:51.389 Demetria: It's all text. 00:14:51.753 --> 00:14:52.303 Magali: Yeah. 00:14:52.503 --> 00:14:53.553 Yeah, and the wallpaper was— 00:14:53.643 --> 00:14:53.853 It's a very straightforward genre. 00:14:53.853 --> 00:14:55.533 Magali: The wallpaper was just yellow, actually. 00:14:58.633 --> 00:14:58.783 But yeah, 00:14:59.472 --> 00:14:59.609 Demetria: Yeah. 00:14:59.659 --> 00:15:03.649 Remember that, remember that one story we had to read in class about this wallpaper 00:15:03.649 --> 00:15:05.169 that was not a very good pattern? 00:15:05.582 --> 00:15:08.341 Magali: Yeah, I mean, as far as I can tell, that was all that was about. 00:15:08.391 --> 00:15:09.991 I don't even know why we had to read it. 00:15:10.781 --> 00:15:13.611 God, short stories were very much lost though on high school me. 00:15:13.671 --> 00:15:16.521 I think in high school a lot of things are black and white, and something 00:15:16.521 --> 00:15:19.831 that's great about like a Frankenstein, for instance, there is a lot of black 00:15:19.831 --> 00:15:21.121 and white in there to appreciate. 00:15:21.471 --> 00:15:24.371 But it's only when you get older and you start to be like, "Oh, gray. 00:15:24.441 --> 00:15:27.491 Shades of gray are good." I don't know that we need 50 of them per se, but 00:15:27.491 --> 00:15:29.317 like… Interesting to think about. 00:15:29.362 --> 00:15:30.687 Demetria: Crossover for the ages! 00:15:30.745 --> 00:15:33.115 Magali: Ooh, Frank- actually, honestly, yeah. 00:15:33.452 --> 00:15:34.297 Demetria: Someone's writing it. 00:15:34.555 --> 00:15:37.135 Magali: So Demetria, what have you learned today? 00:15:38.152 --> 00:15:41.599 Demetria: I have learned that creating a monster is awesome and has no 00:15:41.599 --> 00:15:43.439 negative consequences whatsoever. 00:15:43.859 --> 00:15:45.349 Magali: You sound very like Victor. 00:15:45.509 --> 00:15:45.929 Good job. 00:15:46.043 --> 00:15:46.843 Demetria: Oh, absolutely. 00:15:46.843 --> 00:15:49.793 Yeah, I, my takeaway from this is that I should create 00:15:49.793 --> 00:15:51.253 life recklessly with abandon. 00:15:51.503 --> 00:15:55.613 Magali: Yeah, 'cause, 'cause you can, and would prove one teacher wrong or whatever. 00:15:56.071 --> 00:15:57.881 Demetria: I have no responsibility to anyone. 00:15:57.881 --> 00:15:58.801 I am American. 00:15:58.962 --> 00:15:59.389 Magali: Uh, great. 00:15:59.859 --> 00:16:03.179 Well, and, and thank you all for joining us, our friends and 00:16:03.179 --> 00:16:05.149 family probably e- exclusively. 00:16:05.942 --> 00:16:09.232 Bookruptcy is a podcast by Demetria Spinrad and Magali Ferare. 00:16:10.112 --> 00:16:12.582 Demetria: We hope that we've inspired you to read something weirder, 00:16:12.652 --> 00:16:15.415 sillier… at the very least, we hope that you're reading something that 00:16:15.425 --> 00:16:16.835 you would hesitate to tweet about. 00:16:17.402 --> 00:16:19.861 Magali: While we prefer not to be perceived, if you do wanna 00:16:19.871 --> 00:16:23.541 get in touch, we can be reached at contact@bookrupcypod.com. 00:16:24.247 --> 00:16:27.757 Demetria: But for today, we are closing this chapter and declaring bookruptcy.