Episode 10111010: Hive Mind의 전체 녹취록

Legion, we are Bob. 11:48:30 We are, LEGAM, ME, or, B, KAY, got it. 11:48:33 And it's, it's delightful because there's a lot of like sci fi references in it that are just funny and probably some that I didn't even get like that I just missed because it was like a particular area of sci-fi that I'm just not you know, aware of. 11:48:47 So it's It's a it's a very nerdy I read. Yeah. 11:48:53 Yeah, sounds good. I mean, I don't know if I have I have I mentioned on the podcast that I'm writing a book. 11:49:03 No, not on the podcast. 11:49:05 I've told you, but I don't know that I've said it. 11:49:06 Yep. 11:49:04 No, not on the podcast. That's why I thought I was just like, is Chris writing a book and Gary is writing a book? 11:49:12 I was just like, I feel so left out. 11:49:13 Okay. 11:49:16 Yeah. 11:49:14 Do not fear. I have my undertaking is completely different. 11:49:19 Yeah, I was I was afraid to talk about it 2 months, too much a month ago. 11:49:24 Because I was afraid that it was going to be one of those things where I start a thing. 11:49:28 And then I just stop halfway through and don't pick it up again. But 11:49:33 But that would also be okay, just as a Yeah. 11:49:36 Yeah, but I, I don't I don't like, I've tried this before. 11:49:42 I've tried writing something that I was hoping to turn into a novel before and I had this grand idea and I didn't follow through and then I just felt bad about it and I didn't want to like say hey everyone I'm writing a book and then like 2 months later, that book thing that I was writing, yeah, it didn't happen. 11:50:19 Hmm. 11:49:58 And, and so I feel like There's a certain amount of like, I don't know, critical mass or, like, there's a point at which it seems like Okay, now I can talk about it because there's enough here that even if I walked away the stuff that I have is large enough that it cannot be ignored. 11:50:22 Yeah. 11:50:23 Yep, I get that. 11:50:23 I don't know what you call, 47 plus 1,000 words. Beyond an attempt at a novel. 11:50:32 That's some serious. Serious words. 11:50:35 Yeah, and I'm not like not to be just all on word count, but like I do like there is I don't know, it's something fair. 11:50:50 Hmm. 11:50:44 It's like it's the largest amount of words in one thing I have written and There and I have it's not like I've written those words and now I'm stuck like I have thoughts and ideas of where things are going to go and like stuff that I want to bring in and So it's it's got like trajectory. 11:51:02 Yeah. 11:51:02 And I can kind of see in my head where things are going to ultimately land. Which is 11:51:06 Well, in order to like sculpt the story, you need to like have enough words to sculpt. 11:51:13 Yeah, yeah, and it feels like like I'm realizing like I don't know, there's I get frustrated. 11:51:22 Reading books that And I guess this is particular to my, to reading romance fiction, perhaps, where like I'm like skip to the good stuff. 11:51:35 Yeah. 11:51:37 Which has a very

specific meaning when you're reading that particular genre, but you know, okay. 11:51:43 But. I, there as as I'm writing, I realize that there's a certain amount of like, like setting the scene that needs to be done. 11:52:05 Right. 11:51:58 In order to actually get to the point. And then say, okay, here we are and now here's the shit that happens and and I'm kind of getting into that here's this here's the shit that happens after the after the setup stuff, here's the shit that happens after the after the setup stuff, which is. 11:52:15 Which is interesting. And I think that that feels like the downhill part of things, right? Because like, once you've set the scene, then all the things that happen are kind of. 11:52:23 Like just building off of what you already have as opposed to like, to start out, you kind of need to. 11:52:30 Like figure out like what are the parameters of this. Space that I'm creating. 11:52:36 And then now that you have the sandbox, you're like, oh, now we can actually do the thing. 11:52:43 And once that world exists, I wonder if you will find, well, I wonder first if when you, once that exists, if you will. 11:52:39 Now we can play. 11:52:49 What to create a second one and if it will be How the experience will be creating a second one in the universe. 11:52:59 Excellent. 11:52:58 Yeah, I don't I don't know I I haven't I haven't thought beyond the context of this story to extend it into like a sequel or something to extend it into like a sequel or something and I have had thoughts of like writing something else from like a totally different perspective. 11:53:16 I this this fiction that I'm writing now is, is like there's a female protagonist in my partner Aaron's like why are you writing it from a woman's perspective you're not a woman I'm like well yeah Good. 11:53:29 I love her. Can I just say, shout out, who doesn't listen to this podcast? 11:53:38 Okay. 11:53:35 Exactly, does not listen. She only listens to one third of the podcast. And And like there's a lot of like male writers who have tried to write and generally failed to write very compelling female characters and who the hell am I to think that I could do better than them? 11:53:56 But I wanted to like 11:53:59 Write something from a perspective that was not specifically my own. And I think the next thing that I wanna write is perhaps something that is, in fact, from a perspective that is. 11:54:11 Hmm. 11:54:11 More closely tied to my own, but I didn't want to start there, I guess. So, I don't know, making, sending obstacles in front of myself probably. 11:54:20 Okay. 11:54:22 It could be that the main character just switches genders by the end. I'm like, I, I don't, know like that there's anything I've written that would be inherently broken if I just Okay. 11:54:33 Changed it. 11:54:36 Not yet, anyway. 11:54:43 Okay. 11:54:39 It's exciting. Maybe after you're done, Gary and I will write fan fiction for Your story. 11:54:47 That would be fun. 11:54:48 Yeah, little offshoots of like plot points that we were like, hey, what about this character? 11:54:54 Yes. 11:54:58 Yeah, I kind of like my characters. Which is good. Yeah. 11:55:05 Yeah. 11:55:01 That's good. Because I imagine it's one of those things where it's like, you'll get tired of it real fast if you don't have some semblance of like fondness. 11:55:10 Right, yeah. 11:55:13 Exciting. 11:55:15 So how is the break for everyone? 11:55:22 Yeah. 11:55:19 That face. Maybe we should maybe we should make that should find that frame and make that. 11:55:36 Yeah. 11:55:36 Hmm. 11:55:26 Yeah. The break was good actually. It was just, you know, the thing with brakes is that they end and then you're like, oh, I do other I love the weird liminal space between the holidays and New Year's that everyone's were just all like. 11:55:47 Hmm. 11:55:51 Boxing week. 11:55:49 Most people, I guess. Yeah. Or like in my sphere, lucky enough to be able to take it off and just kind of do this weird drift. 11:56:01 Yeah. 11:56:11 Hmm. 11:56:01 My parents visited us and Rhonda went out of town with a friend. So that week was like uniquely bizarre and like, well, we're gonna do a bunch to keep the kids and my parents busy, so. 11:56:16 Yeah. 11:56:16 We went to like a museum and a mountain and an enormous playground and had like the fire pit going out back like a lot and served chicken and dumpling soup in my grandma's china and like it was just like At the end of every day I was like, Yeah, it was exhausting. 11:56:40 That was great. 11:56:41 Sounds like a bit of a roller coaster though. Like at the end when you get to the point you're just like, 11:56:47 Yeah. 11:56:47 All right, we did the thing. 11:56:49 There was like a point where, and then Saturday we went with some friends to, start to Soleil. 11:56:54 Oh, nice. 11:56:56 And so they have like a traveling show that's set up like 15 min from the house. 11:57:03 I think I've seen that one. 11:57:02 Bizar is what it's called. And It's, I mean, every search show is lovely. 11:57:07 You don't go to one and like walking around. I mean, you just walk away like, man. 11:57:09 Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. 11:57:14 I either we either 11:57:11 Like there's, there's so many layers. There's like. Respect for the physicality and the beauty of human body and like the joy of the music and it's just like 11:57:22 That might have actually been the one where we had gotten tickets and intended to go and then COVID hit and they cancelled all their shows. 11:57:29 Hmm. 11:57:30 So that might actually be the one that I didn't see. Or one of the ones I haven't seen. 11:57:34 There's a couple. But yeah. 11:57:34 Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and then, And then Monday was still like we were still in that space. 11:57:42 So like that was Saturday and that time Saturday to Tuesday was still like. Like another week somehow. 11:57:51 Yeah. 11:57:56 Hmm. 11:57:51 Well, we stayed home and played and had game fest 23 where in we played all the board games that

we haven't played during the last 12 months. 11:58:02 Oh. 11:58:01 Since the kids have been in school and busy and preoccupied and we haven't had chances to do anything so. 11:58:09 Yeah, we basically like made it a goal to, play something every day and so, And we did a early gift exchange with Aaron's mom and her sister before they left to go up to her aunt's because we stayed here and they left there. 11:58:28 And My sister-in-law gave me one of those D and D. There's a new thing that came out last year that's like a D and D case that has like a bunch of like miniature tokens in it. 11:58:41 And I was like, well that's that was actually one of the things when they did their release announcement of all the things like in a release in the year that was like well I could pass on that one. 11:58:51 So she had it but she included the receipt so I went to the game store and instead got Doon Imperium, which is a board game that I've been looking at for a very long time and got to play that several times as well as some new stuff that we got. 11:59:14 Hmm. 11:59:30 And combat existing global emissions problems and problems derived from from greenhouse gases and stuff. And so it's, It has all of the panic. 11:59:43 Okay. 11:59:48 Yeah. Yeah. 11:59:42 Of a pandemic without the like yucky feeling that I get with that where like everybody's dead or everybody's infected or the zombie plague is attacked everyone you know instead it's like well the world is shit and we need to do better let's do better next time you know 12:00:04 We, picked up forest shuffle. Which is a fun, beautiful game. It's sort of in the vein of. 12:00:10 Wingspan, but. Little less complex, a little faster to play. 12:00:13 I saw a preview the other night of a game called Wormspan. That is a dragon spin off of wingspan. 12:00:26 Same rules, maybe a couple of additional things, same designer, same company, but it's dragons instead of birds. 12:00:36 It's like a hundred 30 different types of dragons and you're recruiting them to your different like dragon. 12:00:43 Locations and stuff. Dragon Habitats. 12:00:58 Okay. 12:00:42 Okay. I, I really like when a game gets popular enough that's that like it can be parodied with the same rule not parity but like like the same rules that can be used elsewhere and just rethemed and people are like, oh, yeah, I totally plan that sounds awesome like So it's my, yeah, sign me up. 12:01:04 Yeah, no wingspan is amazing. 12:01:03 Not that wingspan isn't great with all the. Wonderful, wonderful game, but. I also want to play with Dragons, so. 12:01:10 Like sometimes send in the book for dragons, what can I say? 12:01:09 Yeah. Sometimes dragons. 12:01:17 We picked up, well, tag out another game that it's like a Co-OP. 12:01:27 It's it's fast. It's the fast and the furious. Which But it's by, I can't remember the maker of it. 12:01:34 The gameplay is really fascinating. It's really good gameplay and the like a like enough like cool pieces and 12:01:41 And complicated. Which I didn't expect, like I thought. You know, I thought the movie franchise and thought, well, the bars. 12:01:50 Yeah, yeah, I would be there with you. 12:01:51 Pretty low. And I remember the reason. Board game geek and I was like Really? And playing it I'm like, really? 12:01:58 Okay. 12:01:59 Like this is. So. 12:02:02 I guess cars are complicated. 12:02:05 It's yeah. 12:02:05 Oh, it's all about family. Family is complicated. Okay. 12:02:08 Families complicated. It is, yeah, I mean, at the, at the, you're either trying to like, Take over a semi truck or a helicopter or for a tank, maybe a tank. 12:02:21 And you're working together in cars like Theoretically like the whole set is moving down the highway and so you're changing position in relation to the central piece in your know, losing vehicles and taking like. 12:02:37 Opponent vehicles and trying to destroy this central thing. It's a It's fun. It's fun. 12:02:52 And then the last game I will talk about. Is, I'm probably gonna hit the name wrong. 12:02:58 It's by the people that made, parks and 12:03:04 I don't remember what else I mean. When they came out last year around Christmas. Anyway, this one is cool. 12:03:14 It's like a dice game. It's like a little folding. Board and you roll dice and sometimes that adds more dice. 12:03:21 So the more dice you have the riskier it gets and the foxes steal your chickens and It takes very little time to play and it's at a level Charlotte can play but it's still fun and 12:03:31 So. Yeah, we did some gaming too. Some gaming too. 12:03:48 Yeah. 12:03:38 Yeah, we always have this. Plan to like after we play. Board games or many board games were like we should do this more often and then like stuff happens and like Gavin now has 2 other D and D games that he's in one on Friday nights and one on Saturday nights or Friday afternoons into the night and Saturday afternoons into the night. 12:04:02 Which then makes planning things a little bit more complicated. And Aaron has, like aerials for like every other night of the week that we don't have D and D. 12:04:14 So like Timing is hard. But I think we made a tentative plan to to make Sunday our gaming g gaming day. 12:04:31 Hmm. 12:04:24 Sunday was previously our visit Aaron's folks day. But we might shift that to Saturday instead and then we can have Sunday free and then play games on Sunday. 12:04:35 So we'll see how that goes. That's our not 2024 resolution but 12:04:39 Does anybody here do you all do we do resolutions here? Is this a resolution place? 12:04:44 I think we talked about this last year. 12:04:46 We probably did this is probably the that's at the time that that would happen 12:04:49 Yeah. 12:04:57 Yeah. 12:04:58 The retro. 12:04:50 I like doing things that I have been doing, things that I want to keep doing. So just like I've been a lot better about drinking more water, so I wanna keep that up. 12:05:16 Yeah 12:05:07 I don't know, I like recognizing things that I'm already

doing great because I feel like it's better for morale than and being like, we're starting from scratch, you're a piece of garbage, shape up. 12:05:20 Though. Resolution per se but I have ordered bees. I will have bees. 12:05:25 I feel like that's a pretty big project to tackle. 12:05:27 Yeah, that's a big thing. 12:05:26 In April. Yeah. So yeah, so I mean like between now and the piece or I need to get the hive set up and ready for them and you know, and learn what I'm doing. 12:05:39 I in the space between. My parents got here in the 20 sixth and on my wish list, I had a book about Bee keeping. 12:05:49 Except and curious. And 12:05:52 Hi, I've read the entire thing like in 2 days in the midst of all the other craziness we were doing. 12:05:57 And Just like, it was like just constantly with me like I'd be walking through and I'd read like someone put it down in the kitchen counter. 12:06:04 You know, Diamond Table or, you know, it was just with me for those those days. 12:06:09 And, And then that turned into like At the end of the day, when they, you know, When we were all done, me watching, YouTube beekeepers on YouTube. 12:06:21 So like. 12:06:23 Your algorithm must be so strange. 12:06:22 How does one Yeah, how, how does one? 12:06:27 Yeah, I don't sign in and it offers. We can like, you, we can remember what you've watched and I'm like, I don't think we should do that. 12:06:34 I don't think we should. 12:06:39 Yeah. There's 12:06:34 Okay. How does one acquire bees? How does that like, like, Cause I imagine it's like you need to have a queen. 12:06:45 Yes. So there are. 12:06:47 Is there not a limited number like a finite number of queens? 12:06:53 There probably are, but it's a significant number. And the hive will make more. 12:06:58 Hi, I will make more. Okay. 12:06:59 Yeah, so the way you acquire these. From like a be keeping supply place. 12:07:05 I just picture this weird dark market of bees. 12:07:08 Right? 12:07:09 It's, it's the shop that I went to is, it's 2 guys, One is 80 and the other is in his low fifties and they've been partners for years and so the bee keeping place is on like the backside of one of the guys houses. 12:07:26 They just got like a building he set up and they've been there for 20 plus years and you know, it's a lot of supplies and, you know, for All the stuff you need, but you can acquire them from a place like that in 2 ways. 12:07:38 They will sell you a package of beads, which is 3 pounds of bees and one queen that's already made it and marked. 12:07:43 So made it in mark means marked that there's a dot on her so easier to see her when you're doing your hive inspection. 12:07:52 Yeah. 12:07:48 And made it just we confirm this be will lay eggs. And the comment, it's like a wooden case that has screening on the side. 12:07:58 And the queen is like in a little separate part by herself that has screen around it so that they can smell her are used to her but she can't. 12:08:07 You know. They can't start it's in

a small thing and they They can't always start making a hive there because they get captured from an existing hive. 12:08:16 Yeah. 12:08:16 They take the swarm, they put it in their boom. So. 12:08:17 So are they dormant when they ship them somehow? 12:08:20 No, it's you need you need to be get well shipped in this case. It'll be local to me. 12:08:26 So the beginning from local hives, but they can ship them. Yeah. 12:08:26 Oh, okay. I was just like, who are these post people carrying these? 12:08:31 It's it needs to happen on swarming time so that there it's the time of year when they're ready to Start building comb. 12:08:38 Yeah. 12:08:38 And so it needs to be warm enough for that to happen. So I mean, you could do it as early as. 12:08:42 February, you could order online and they could come in and. But then you take them and you open the container and you tap the container so the bees Mostly fall into the hive and leave the rest sitting there. 12:08:51 And Attach the queen to one of the frames that goes in there and They will all come to the Queen and then you put the hive back together and. 12:08:58 Wish them luck and check on him in a few days. But have inspections should be done about like once a week or so. 12:09:04 And adjusted accordingly and 10,000 B's for 3 pounds. Someone have about 20,000 B's that I picked up on April the sixth I guess. 12:09:15 Yeah. 12:09:16 Yeah, yeah 12:09:11 Hello. Also, how do you weigh these? I've got some. Like I'm just like, I just feel like this process of being like add a few more bees like how do they add a few more bees like how do they add a few more bees like how do they add a few more like another cup. 12:09:21 Okay. Okay. 12:09:26 Okay. 12:09:24 Yeah, it's that part I think is definitely a little. Little sketchier. I think that they, have a pretty good idea. 12:09:32 They must have like a tube or like I don't know. That's the part I wanna see. 12:09:35 Yeah. Yeah, that that person will sketch here. I mean, I guess I should say the other way you can buy, I would call it a nucleus and a nucleus is like 2 or 3 frames or 3 or 4 frames that they've taken out of a hive with the queen and put in a box with a handle on that you can relocate. 12:09:54 So basically I come micro hive that you could pull in. So that's another way. 12:09:59 It's a bit more expensive to go that route with a versus a package. 12:10:07 Yeah, so that's why I'm doing 2 hives. 12:10:01 Oh. Are there other cons to doing it that way? Like does it not always? Is it like, is it like an organ where like could not take potentially or? 12:10:12 Yeah, they say they the suggestion is in your first year due to hives because you. First, you'll learn a lot about B behavior. 12:10:18 One of them might not work. 12:10:20 And one may swarm and leave and you suddenly show up and there's an empty high or one. 12:10:24 You know, you may, you may have problems with and it, you know, may not. 12:10:26 Yeah. 12:10:27 Survive so there's a reality of like after you've been doing it for a little while you can If you have bees and you're coming into the season, you can pick up a mated and marked queen for a lot less than you pay for a package and just add a queen and you know. 12:10:44 If, if you don't have one at the start of the season with your existing B's and off you go. 12:10:49 Or you can you know, replace the queen is pretty common as well. Expect to get one or 2 good years out of her and then replace her. 12:10:58 Okay. 12:10:57 I don't like that at all. Like that language. I don't know. 12:10:56 Okay. Yeah. Well, it's not uncommon when it's swarming season. 12:11:05 It's not coming for for them to start having like queen cells where they are getting ready to create a new queen and, Apparently health is a hive. 12:11:17 Sort of determines how effective of a queen she is. 12:11:23 I don't know, I'm looking forward to just the. 12:11:28 Like the natural like realization of just observing and seeing how this all. Functions. And just, it'll just be like, one more puzzle piece and like. 12:11:36 There's all this stuff happening constantly in the world that I'm completely unaware of. And this is. 12:11:40 Hi, OH, another grain of sand in that pile. 12:11:43 So do you have a full like suit? To go out and look at your bees in. 12:11:48 Yeah, I'm I have not ordered the suit yet, but yes. Yeah. 12:11:58 Some people say you don't need one. 12:11:55 So online. People are like, some people are like, Yes, yes, many, many of the beekeepers on YouTube, are, gloveless and suitless and they'll just put on a hood. 12:12:08 And from what I gather is that's like really just comes down to like your comfort level with the bees and you know, understanding how agitated they are. 12:12:17 And if you know they're going to be agitated, you prep beforehand. Everyone pretty much says like your first couple of years like just plan on always wearing the suit like it's just better safe than sorry and you'll still get stun which is fine. 12:12:28 I mean, that's kind of the I think that's kind of the proposition with keeping bees is that, you know, you're going to get stung. 12:12:35 They travel up to 3 miles from their hive. 12:12:38 So I took, Google Earth or. Maps or whatever and 12:12:44 Figured out what the 3 mile radius is. 12:12:45 Yes, and looked at it and went. That's amazing. Yeah. 12:12:48 That's really cool. Now do you have a name or branding for Gary's honey? 12:12:59 Okay. 12:12:55 No, and the first year you're not supposed to harvest the honey here because they Yeah. Not yet, no. 12:12:58 No, I know, but I just like to know if there's like Nuggets of inspiration. 12:13:04 No, I, 12:13:06 Hi, mind. 12:13:05 Space bees. Oh, there we go. 12:13:07 Yeah, yeah. I would be surprised if that's not already happening, but. 12:13:12 Probably. 12:13:14 There's a lot of nerds into beekeeping, which Makes sense. 12:13:19 Okay, it's cool though. It's nice to have something that's like, I don't know if I describe bees as

tactile, but like. 12:13:27 It's a process outside of yourself. 12:13:30 Well, and to some extent, like, I think there's several parts. One is the history. 12:13:37 I mean, humans have been dealing with bees and eating honey for 20,000 years, you know. I mean, that At some point someone was like, oh, if I take smoke from the campfire over by that hive, I can eat the honey and that's really good. 12:13:51 In fact, probably the best like the tastiest suite you could find at that point in time, you know? 12:13:57 And that's fascinating that, you know, that's available and That coupled with like regulations in the US. 12:14:04 For whatever reason, really like easy like nobody has really any regulations people like oh gosh yeah you should absolutely have those like yeah Every neighborhood should have some. 12:14:17 Yes. Yeah, and so that's the other part. It's like there's no like, yeah, you want it just, yeah, just do it. It's fine. 12:14:25 Good luck. But these things sting people, yeah? Probably fine. 12:14:31 I mean alcohol is legal. 12:14:34 Yeah, I, well, you have to show an ID like with beekeeping, it's even less than that. 12:14:38 Beans, they just let you have them. 12:14:41 Yeah. I mean, I can't wait to buy them. The guys like we bought from us before? No? 12:14:42 I. 12:14:45 Is this your first, first time? Yep. Oh cool, well, let me know if we can recommend some books and we have this class coming up. 12:14:51 If you're interested. Awesome. That was it. You can prove your level of knowledge. 12:14:56 No, good luck. No. Don't eat them. 12:14:57 I got I got an ad on YouTube that sent me down a rabbit hole of Discovering new and fascinating regulatory loopholes. 12:15:11 Hmm. 12:15:11 Okay. 12:15:17 Hmm. 12:15:13 With regards to cannabis in the United States. The ad was for a company called mood and they were advertising legal weed like Yeah, it's fully legal. 12:15:30 You can just buy it online and we'll ship it to you from our warehouse and I don't know Oklahoma I think maybe. 12:15:36 And I'm like Really though like is it just like CBD and they're calling it something else? 12:15:42 And 12:15:44 While so here's here's here's the whole spiel THC is a psychoactive drug that is regulated. 12:15:57 Yes. 12:15:55 Federally. We pretty much understand that. The particular compound that is regulated is a particular compound in TC called delta 9 THC. 12:16:11 There are 2 things that are derived from the same plant. That are unregulated. 12:16:21 Hmm. 12:16:21 And that is T HCA. Which is the compound. That when heated turns into THC, and. 12:16:32 Hmm. 12:16:36 Yes. 12:16:34 Delta 8. THC, which is like the same stuff but less kind of. And that's what this company sells is those things. 12:16:46 Is it? Yeah, so I've had Delta 8. 12:16:47 So you can just go there and say and so you could just go there and say, yep, I'm over 21 and then put in an address and a credit card and you get some stuff. 12:16:55 So I've had delta 8 gummies and 12:17:00 It's a

different, it's a little. I sound like a It's not quite. 12:17:08 Hmm. 12:17:07 As pleasant. But it's effective and Nice way to spend a Saturday. 12:17:16 So we got some Delta 8. Flower and I think some TCA micro dose gummies. 12:17:26 Hmm. 12:17:24 And the flower felt like nothing. At the gummy. Knocked me out for like 4 h. 12:17:31 Hmm. Okay. 12:17:33 And it was weird because it was, cause it was billed as a microdose and we have gummies and we usually like break them in like F or whatever. 12:17:42 And then divide the half between the 2 of us. So like, so I was thinking if it's billing itself as this, then I don't need to worry about that. 12:17:47 I can just like. Yeah, no. That was not the case. And it didn't feel any less than anything else that we've ever done, which was also weird because after the first thing hardly did anything is like, well, obviously this is just gonna be crap too, so Don't need to worry about it. 12:18:03 Until you need to worry about it. 12:18:03 In fact, do need in fact to do worry about it. 12:18:09 Trying to look at the brand that I used. 12:18:15 But it was interesting just especially like after that second experience thinking about like And this is just something I can get on the internet. 12:18:25 And I know that's that feels novel for you, Alison, because you can just get things on the internet in Canada, but like in, you know, Podunk America. 12:18:35 Okay. Yeah, exactly. 12:18:34 Like I can just, it's like Doordash. Yeah. 12:18:41 Yes. Probably is too with the delivery services though. 12:18:46 Yeah, well like what was so funny is that in my town there's a dispensary and there was another storefront that opened up on our like Main Street essentially and Another dispensary wanted to go in and. 12:19:02 The city hall like basically voted against it because they were like we've got one. And we don't need another, like we don't need to just have our main straight like starting to be filled with like vape shops and dispersers. 12:19:15 I mean, that's fair. 12:19:15 And I think I was like, I don't, I think that's a good decision. Like it was also like as far as we they have. 12:19:20 Cause you're pretty small town as opposed to like Victoria or something. 12:19:24 Yeah, it's a small town and also the storefront in question. They would have had to block they had the all these glorious windows and they would have had to privacy them. 12:19:31 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 12:19:34 And all that and it's just like it kinda would. Not ruin the look but like I'm like no it's fine and also I'm just like we like what for the size of my town, I'm like, when dispensary is probably good. 12:19:47 Yeah. 12:19:51 Oh, is that the link? 12:19:51 I don't know. That's the link. Yeah, that's the stuff that I've had 3 Chi. 12:19:56 3 G. 12:19:57 They have a lot more products now. It when I ordered from them they had like Yes or no? Or I think they may had 4 flavors for other. 12:20:04 Delta 8 edible. No, yes. 12:20:08 Yes. 12:20:10 Yeah, so I don't know the jury still out on that, but it was an interesting like. 12:20:17 Rabbit hole to go down because it was like wait like Surely not though. What and what is the difference in like Like, how is this one thing in this one form? 12:20:30 Not right like regulated but this thing that is going to be in that form also as soon as you consume it. 12:20:39 Not regulated. 12:20:41 Yeah. And it's just the difference of a different compound, which is so like. 12:20:45 Yeah. But it's because of the it's because of the farm bill, which is the big thing they sign that basically made hemp widely available and and made it available to be able to get to to get hemp and like hemp derived CBD products. 12:21:04 Like that's in the whole explosion of that. Like it was that same bill that like like wrote out those exclusions or inclusions or whatever and I I mean I'm learning so many things about government. 12:21:17 These days that like the, the from the book that I, Gary and I, will Gary started and I'm reading. 12:21:25 Slowly. That it doesn't shock me at all that like legislators. Fail to read fine print or think thoroughly through like specific things about like, well, perhaps this is a thing that we might. 12:21:44 Yep. 12:21:41 Want to also either do or not do like make a decision on one side of the fence or the other but like the weird in betweeny stuff. 12:21:53 100%. 12:21:57 Hmm. 12:21:48 And creating these loopholes is is is an interesting take I'm almost to the end of that book. 12:22:03 I'm still. 2 thirds of the way through. 12:22:03 I, I think, Gary. I think you need to skip to whatever that chapter I told you about chapter 10 or whatever where it starts talking about product management. 12:22:15 And then read from there. I don't think that you will miss out on anything important after that because I think that's the sort of part where it kind of shifts into This is what we're doing well and this is how we can improve things as opposed to being like, here's all the shit that we did bad. 12:22:31 What I've read so far, it makes a very compelling argument that digital services in the government are an absolute unmedicated, unmitigated disaster, and compelling and and I'm happy to add to that. 12:23:04 Can you? 12:22:45 Okay. The part the part that I was just, reading most recently was talking about how companies like Oracle have lobbied to the government against inclusion of digital professionals in government or like services like the digital the government digital services and like because A they want those contracts themselves and BI think largely because they see the government as incompetent enabling unable to do those things like, but if we just had more 12:23:21 people from in technology in government then we wouldn't be incompetent and we could do the shit ourselves. 12:23:26 Let let me give a huge shout out right now to the GSA search. Gov team who are punching way above their belt with the service they offer and the team size they do

it with. 12:23:39 It's really really an inspiring team to interface with like they get the value they deliver and they are super hands on and we'll do whatever they can to support. 12:23:51 Users of their service. So, Search. Doc of Power Search on NASA. Dot. 12:23:57 Across i think 6 domains at the moment and or to come and super people to work with and and not just technical. 12:24:05 GSA is mentioned in the book too, yeah. 12:24:07 Yeah, yeah, I mean, I. The first interaction I had with him, I left that meeting and I was like. 12:24:17 Okay. 12:24:15 How are they allowed to exist? Like there's so thick they're so and it's not just like it's not just the technical side like they're good people and they understand all the challenges of working government. 12:24:27 Yeah. 12:24:28 So when they have someone technical like they're A cheerleading team as much as they are a technical partner. 12:24:32 I mean, the phenomenal. Phenomenal to work with. So I hope this makes it back to them and I it's sort of minor that like Send them a message and tell them thanks for their hard work and yeah. 12:24:44 Yep. 12:24:45 I wish I could sponsor people to come to Canada that aren't related to me. Just like gather a little community. 12:24:49 Okay. Okay. 12:24:55 Ty is insistent and he's gonna move to Canada as soon as he's, as soon as he can. 12:25:00 Okay, you know. Yeah. 12:25:01 I was the same way. I actually followed through, which surprised people. 12:25:07 Yeah. 12:25:09 I mean, I won't be surprised if he does and I won't be if he doesn't. 12:25:13 A good entry way is through school because once you have a student visa, it's you can kind of. 12:25:20 Wiggle your way through. 12:25:22 I will mention that to him. 12:25:22 That's not how you, that's not how you got there, is it? 12:25:24 No, no, cause I like I met Robin and went common law sponsorship instead, but. Yeah. 12:25:38 Yeah. 12:25:35 That was told it was easier, but I don't even know if that's true. Took me long enough. 12:25:41 Hello. 12:25:46 Hmm 12:25:46 I'm trying to think of New Year's resolutions. Like, I don't know. 12:25:52 I got the purple hair back, so. 12:25:52 Yeah, my goals for 2024 are Well, I wrote about it on my blog. I have a tentative goal to have some sort of working copy, like final ish working copy of the thing that I'm writing. 12:26:15 Nice. 12:26:08 And with a stretch goal of maybe making it actually available for like other people broadly like maybe just like compiling an e-book like an EPUB by myself, but like. 12:26:20 You know, I do, I did some research about like how to self publish and like, you know, do it yourself versus going through a service versus whatever. 12:26:30 And I do have thoughts of that being a future destination. I just don't know if that would be done before. 12:26:35 You know, December thirtieth to 2024. And and yeah, play more games probably. So my 2024 goals. 12:26:44 Yeah. 12:26:48 Board games. 12:26:50 Yeah. 12:26:52 Yeah. 24 is the year of bees

12:26:49 And Gary is just B's. 2024 bees. Okay. 12:26:56 It's a little bit of a life hack. I mean, maybe we'll see who knows how it turns out. 12:27:00 Only because I have a Dear friend that, does dog training. And so he talks often about how It requires him to be present. 12:27:09 You know, and there's, you know, it's the natural world and on and out. And I'm like, yeah, that's great. 12:27:16 But I don't. I mean, a dog would be a lot in. This is a very different take on that, but similar in the sense that. 12:27:24 You know, there's not like, it's not like you can be distracted, like you need to be there and do your. 12:27:27 Hmm. 12:27:30 Be present with the bees and do your thing. And so. I think that there's I think part and parcel to that is. 12:27:38 It kind of forces like some mindfulness activities. Along the way. 12:27:45 And also. A good opportunity to practice not controlling. Success or failure or something. Like, I can set it up and there's some factors I control and some that I can't end. 12:28:00 You know? 12:28:01 That's a really good point, I think so often or focused on the outcome. Rather than being like, well, I did the best. 12:28:09 Like, I did the things. And then nature came. 12:28:11 Hmm. It's review season at work. Which is funny. 12:28:19 I have 2 people that report to me that I need to review. Which is fine. And they're both. 12:28:24 I mean, they're both easy to review and we have regular one on one. So there's nothing there's no. 12:28:29 There's no surprises or yeah. 12:28:29 I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean, it's really like, well, I pulled up our one on one notes and, you know, mostly useless to write your review and you know a reminder that you know you need more selfish with your time and set better boundaries and And it's a 9 to 5 job. 12:28:45 It's just the internet. You know, we're not. Saving the world and that kind of stuff, you know 12:28:51 And I say these things and then we finish the call and I laugh because it's like It may be more convincing if you actually did that yourself. 12:29:00 It's true. 12:29:00 It's like. People would people would buy into that better if you actually did it so 12:29:08 Trickle down, yeah. 12:29:09 I'm not sure I'm saying that I'm not actually sure that I'm saying that that's a resolution. 12:29:16 I'm hoping 12:29:18 Stay of space scary 12:29:16 Don't worry, this, this is a very safe noncommittal space. 12:29:21 And I just said, like, I don't think it's resolution because I don't. 12:29:23 Know that I, I don't know that I'm able to do that, especially with this client. 12:29:28 Like I can't disconnect enough. 12:29:31 You know, I like great example is this is recorded late and because of me because I couldn't say no to a bug that Nobody, there was no physical harm or emotional harm coming to anybody. 12:29:49 In fact, the real the Hi, stepping away with what the real experience would be, someone learned us in the phone to be like, That's weird. 12:29:57 I thought I like clicked on a different article and and they That would be the real experiences that I click on something end up in the wrong. 12:30:01 Confusion. 12:30:03 Yeah, so like the actual like net impact in the world was like completely inconsequential, but it's seemed in the moment like a very big deal to the, to the image of the agency. 12:30:19 Why? You know, that's a Hmm, that's a really good example of where I. 12:30:25 Not setting that boundary appropriately. So. 12:30:32 Yeah, I think having things. Outside of that context like completely outside of that context. Is a healthy way of. 12:30:44 Having or establishing some sort of rules like I appreciate that. I have this. Side project that is completely and utterly unrelated to the thing that I do. 12:31:03 Yeah. 12:31:04 Yeah. 12:31:01 To acquire. Resources to pay my bills and put food on the table and whatever. And maybe you know, maybe there is a future perhaps a distant future where this is my source of income, but probably not. 12:31:19 I'm realistic. 12:31:19 Well, and then you'd have to find something else to be your. Your side interest, right? 12:31:25 Yeah, probably. I feel like if I was writing full-time, I could probably do a lot more as my time. 12:31:33 Yeah. 12:31:33 It's funny when I talk people. People I've talked about bees are like, oh, you're gonna sell honey and I'm like 12:31:40 Oh, I just thought you'd eat honey. And like give it away or something. Yeah. 12:31:44 Yeah. 12:31:43 That was my thought. Yes. Yeah, yeah. I'm like sell it like this just seems like so much work 12:31:49 My branding question was purely like, oh, that would be something fun to do. Like my brother's baby. 12:31:52 Yeah. Oh no, it totally will be. 12:31:55 My brother's baking bread and I was like, oh cool, you can make a fun little label. 12:31:59 Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's a that's a conversation with the kids too is like so I'm gonna be getting at least 2 suits so that the kids interested in coming down with me. 12:32:07 Oh cool. 12:32:10 Down. It's like going down the hill behind my house is where the highs will be. So. 12:32:14 Not like down. 12:32:14 Okay. Not weird basement bees or something. 12:32:18 Yeah. Yeah. So, yes, so little, I mean, we'll see. 12:32:24 A grand experiment that I'll. 12:32:25 Oh, you could train them to do the beard of bees. 12:32:30 Okay. 12:32:34 Yeah. 12:32:28 So that works because the person doing it has put like pheromones on their face. And so The bees just like, oh yeah, and they tend to droop like that because they're just climbing on each other and gravity is still effective if you're not flying. 12:32:43 And I know. I know. And 12:32:43 So. There's all sorts of things really you could do.