Ancestral Intelligence (AI): Your Body Knows | Dr. Arletha Lizana (author of Ancestral Roots)의 전체 녹취록

is for ancestral intelligence. 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:48.720 I absolutely love that, and you're absolutely right with you know the framework and the humming, that's beautiful. 00:05:48.720 --> 00:06:03.519 So a lot of times, you know, as an indigenous being, Navajo Nation, it's difficult for me to translate ancestral wisdom into modern speak. 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:07.120 I find that just hard as it is. 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:13.600 Like people are asking me, you know, questions about like, do I need to go to a sweat lodge? 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:30.720 And I'm like, go to a sauna or be quiet in your own bathroom, you know, and trying to translate it is very, very difficult to the degree that I find that people who actually have the ability to translate that have a gift or a calling. 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:35.600 And you don't just translate it from, oh, here's the framework. 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:38.240 You go, oh, that means the vagus nerve. 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:46.480 Oh, that um, we're talking about thematic experience, oh, trauma resolution and uh historical trauma. 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:49.439 We're talking about that, these are your genes. 00:06:49.439 --> 00:07:04.639 You literally have the ability to translate the verbiage from um more of like what one would think of as folk or um maybe even holistic, alternative. 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:06.800 And you're like, no, this is real science. 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:08.319 That's right. 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:13.040 And and I am just I saw you at Llewellyncon 2026. 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:13.680 Thank you. 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:15.279 I think I was blown away. 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:16.480 It was great. 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:18.079 I was blown away. 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:31.519 I was like, oh, we don't need like a 30-minute thing here, we need like a whole class broken down because it appeals to the scientific mind and everything. 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:45.519 So public health care services is preventing illness, helping well-being on a community level versus an individual level. 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:50.879 Although you do work with individuals, you're more out there doing this on a community level. 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:54.000 Could you talk a little bit about what that looks like? 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:54.800 Yeah, yeah. 00:07:54.879 --> 00:08:02.319 No, I'd love to, and actually, this makes me something that's you know is close to uh where you are and you know your background inheritance. 00:08:02.319 --> 00:08:06.160 So I do a lot of work with community health workers, right? 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:10.240 So community health workers are promotors, are frontline health workers. 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:12.800 They are people that come from the community. 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:24.240 They may not have a whole bunch of degrees, you know, they're just people who love and know their community, where the resources are, what people need, and really are just about connecting and translating. 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:28.480 So I developed several community health worker training programs. 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:40.480 Um, I when I first came to Morehouse School of Medicine, I was training adult community health workers, and we were having really great feedback, but there just wasn't enough to go around, right? 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:47.440 And the state, our state in Georgia, didn't have any like community health worker certification or anything like that. 00:08:47.440 --> 00:08:51.519 And so I'm like, how can we, you know, like how can we ramp this up? 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:52.320 How can we scale? 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:55.600 How can we get more people to be able to go into this field? 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:57.440 And so I came up with the idea. 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:00.240 I said, you know what, we should train high school students. 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:04.159 So I started training high school students as community health workers. 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:10.720 So I have a high school and young adult community health worker training program that is over 10 years old now. 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:18.559 Um, but we train high school students to be frontline health workers, and which is so good because what they do is they go into their community. 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:22.240 So for their family, for their peers, for their community. 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:37.039 Um, they are helping people get resources, they're giving people um health education and information, um, and they're able to learn how to find out what their community needs and how to bring the resources that maybe their community doesn't have. 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:40.080 So they develop community health projects on their own. 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:41.279 They make them up. 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:46.000 And so they could be like a community health fair that they see that their community needs. 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:48.080 They could be it could be an exercise program. 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:54.720 I had one uh group of students develop an exercise for people who had high cholesterol in their community. 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:56.080 It was a walking program. 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:57.519 They met every Saturday. 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:14.639 They um they volunteered, they got donations of pedometers and water and snacks and things like that, and they held it and they gave cholesterol education to their community members because they did the research to find out that that was a problem in their community, right? 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:17.440 They also monitor their family members. 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:19.200 So they talk to them each month. 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:22.000 They have portable scales, they're like, okay, let's see. 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:24.000 You know, they have blood pressure cuffs. 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:38.639 And in fact, in Yes Magazine a few years ago, we were featured because one of the students was doing his community monitoring,

noticed that his mother's blood pressure was really high, and was like, Well, I think you should go to the hospital. 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:45.840 Found out he basically she credits him with saving her life, that she was hypertensive, she didn't know it, and all of that. 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:48.559 So, you know, just an example of how that works. 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:55.519 But close to into your neck of the woods in your field, we actually have adapted that curriculum. 00:10:55.519 --> 00:11:05.679 So we have done cultural translations in that curriculum for Haitian American and also Native American communities in Arizona and New Mexico. 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:11.759 So we have worked with ethics of the Navajo Nation and others, and we did a cultural adaptation. 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:16.799 And the cool thing about doing that is we work with community members on that adaptation. 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:24.320 So they told us how this information would be best served for their community and how people would be able to receive it. 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:30.879 And so, again, working with young people, and since then I've developed, you know, kind of spin-off programs of that. 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:37.840 So I have a young adult mental health workers training program because we know that mental health is very huge. 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:39.840 You know, we need help in our communities. 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:47.440 And so these are young people, you know, who are trained and have the understanding and can help out their peers, their family, community. 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:59.600 So that's an example of how I translate, you know, like community health work and public health and then also ancestral intelligence, because this comes from in the 60s, like so. 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:02.799 I'm Generation X too, but I'll have a you know, baby and a kid. 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:06.000 Um, but we had more like community health units. 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:15.279 And so there was a whole community health movement, you know, in the 60s to make sure that people had access to health care, you know, they had resources and things like that. 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:18.960 So growing up in that, I knew this was important, right? 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:27.679 Community help and incorporating our ancestral wisdom into what we're teaching our young people how to sustain themselves and their community. 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:31.360 So a long story, but hopefully that answers your question. 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:32.559 100. 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:41.759 So basically, you're not just a trailblazer, you are finding other trailblazers to become trailblazers. 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:42.320 That's right. 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:49.039 I have so many more directions that I want to go, but I also want to see if Jenny C. 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:54.080 Bell wants to comment or expand, or where do you want to go, Jenny? 00:13:35.169 --> 00:13:38.450 Yeah, I want to say um thank you for doing that. 00:13:38.450 --> 00:13:46.769 It's something that's like so needed, especially it just becomes more and more needed uh with certain politics going on. 00:13:46.769 --> 00:13:51.409 So I think that's really beautiful and a great service to everybody. 00:13:51.409 --> 00:13:53.250 So I would like to know. 00:13:53.250 --> 00:13:58.129 You have this very expansive career, um, lots of travel. 00:13:58.129 --> 00:14:01.169 You went to some like super famous universities. 00:14:01.169 --> 00:14:02.529 I'm like reading them off to my kids. 00:14:02.529 --> 00:14:03.649 I'm like, guys, should I hear? 00:14:03.649 --> 00:14:04.450 Should I hear? 00:14:04.450 --> 00:14:06.210 Um, what made you go? 00:14:06.210 --> 00:14:09.570 Okay, I want to write this book because you know what I mean? 00:14:09.570 --> 00:14:13.970 Like it's this huge career, and you're like, you know, I feel like there's a book in me. 00:14:13.970 --> 00:14:16.450 I would love to know like that journey. 00:14:16.769 --> 00:14:20.210 Yeah, that journey was just really just is different. 00:14:20.210 --> 00:14:22.769 I didn't set out like, oh, I'm gonna write a book, you know. 00:14:22.769 --> 00:14:29.330 So I didn't actually, that wasn't my favorite thing to write and not necessarily speak about myself or anything. 00:14:29.330 --> 00:14:34.450 I'm like one of those people, like, I just like to do the work, like, you know, so we have to actually talk about it. 00:14:34.450 --> 00:14:35.730 I should write about it. 00:14:35.730 --> 00:14:38.450 And I just got the inspiration, you know. 00:14:38.450 --> 00:14:49.970 So what I started thinking about is something that I think I talk about in the book, um, but I also, you know, teach like African American studies and teach history and things like that. 00:14:49.970 --> 00:14:55.090 So I'm really familiar with a lot of ancestral things, you know, things that have happened throughout time. 00:14:55.090 --> 00:15:00.850 And one of the largest mass movements of black people in America is the women's club movement. 00:15:00.850 --> 00:15:08.769 Everybody always thinks the civil rights movement is the be all end all, you know, like that's the biggest thing that black people have ever done in the U.S. 00:15:08.769 --> 00:15:09.730 And it's not true. 00:15:09.730 --> 00:15:12.610 The largest mass movement of black people in the U.S. 00:15:12.610 --> 00:15:15.970 was actually the Marcus Garvey movement, number one. 00:15:15.970 --> 00:15:21.730 Number two was the women's club movement, and number three was the civil rights movement. 00:15:21.730 --> 00:15:25.409 And so honing in on the women's club movement. 00:15:25.409 --> 00:15:26.769 So this is Ida B. 00:15:26.769 --> 00:15:30.690 Wells, Mary Church Terrell, even Harriet Tubman, right? 00:15:30.690 --> 00:15:37.330 And so this is a movement of black women who started women's clubs all around the country. 00:15:37.330 --> 00:15:43.009 And the reason why they started it is

because they said that black women need to self-actualize. 00:15:43.009 --> 00:15:45.330 They need to figure out who they are. 00:15:45.330 --> 00:15:50.850 It's great to be a mother and a wife, but who are you and what is your gift and why are you here? 00:15:50.850 --> 00:15:53.810 So, really, that's what the heart of this was. 00:15:53.810 --> 00:16:04.050 And I was like, you know, I really need to kind of write about, you know, the things, how I, you know, in a circular fashion, I can say I'm not finished, you know, right? 00:16:04.050 --> 00:16:11.009 But how I self-actualize, you know, how I have become all of the versions of me that I am. 00:16:11.009 --> 00:16:16.210 I always say I've lived like so many lifetimes in this one lifetime, right? 00:16:16.210 --> 00:16:20.529 And so, you know, every time, you know, I'm going through this cycle of becoming. 00:16:20.529 --> 00:16:23.970 So I think it's like a constant process of becoming. 00:16:23.970 --> 00:16:31.009 And so at its heart, like ancestral roots is like this invitation, you know, for us to remember who we are. 00:16:31.009 --> 00:16:34.450 I love this, I love it's named after the sabre tree. 00:16:34.450 --> 00:16:37.330 I also have a company, you know, saber women. 00:16:37.330 --> 00:16:42.769 And so the saber tree is this really important ancestral tree, you know, that people gathered around. 00:16:42.769 --> 00:16:46.529 And it just has so much um, you know, symbology, right? 00:16:46.529 --> 00:16:59.970 And so it's really about a woman who is deeply rooted, right, in ancestral wisdom, but still growing, still reaching, still becoming, still imagining, doing all of the things that are possible for her life. 00:16:59.970 --> 00:17:09.809 And so it's looking, bringing together those public health aspects and spirituality and ancestral intelligence and wisdom and my own lived experience. 00:17:09.809 --> 00:17:12.210 So you'll see in the book, a lot of it, I have stories. 00:17:12.210 --> 00:17:25.809 So I'm talking about my grandmother's dressers, I'm talking about their house coats, you know, things that they wore, and you know, making translations for, you know, what you can do with that information in current day, right? 00:17:25.809 --> 00:17:38.769 And so, like, what does it actually like look like to me to be like free of disease, for example, you know, in our minds, our bodies, you know, what does it look like to utilize our gifts? 00:17:38.769 --> 00:17:44.369 What does it look like if, you know, we are, you know, in a state where we have to begin again? 00:17:44.369 --> 00:17:49.009 So, and you know, uh, what is Octavia Butler says, God is changed, right? 00:17:49.009 --> 00:17:53.490 So, like, people are so scared of change, but what if we need to? 00:17:53.490 --> 00:17:58.129 And the world, you know, the ancestors of the universe are calling on us to change, to become again. 00:17:58.129 --> 00:18:01.250 You can't be stuck and and be scared, you have to move on. 00:18:01.250 --> 00:18:02.689 So, what does that look like? 00:18:02.689 --> 00:18:15.729 So, like in ourselves, in our relationships, our spirits, our communities, like, you know, how do we, you know, connect to those who came before us and help us in this process of, you know, becoming, right? 00:18:15.729 --> 00:18:18.929 So that's kind of like, you know, why I wrote it. 00:18:18.929 --> 00:18:22.209 I did, and I was one of those people, I just like, okay, let me just get it down. 00:18:22.209 --> 00:18:23.169 I'm just gonna write it. 00:18:23.169 --> 00:18:28.769 And I didn't think anybody, you know, you know, would want I'm like, oh, maybe I'll self-publish two knows, right? 00:18:28.769 --> 00:18:33.649 So I send an email to Llewellyn, just I don't I really didn't send pictures. 00:18:33.649 --> 00:18:35.009 No, I was like, hey, I have this idea. 00:18:35.009 --> 00:18:36.049 They're like, yeah, do it. 00:18:36.049 --> 00:18:37.089 I was so shocked. 00:18:37.089 --> 00:18:40.689 I was like, oh, okay, great, here we are. 00:18:40.689 --> 00:18:42.209 So now I've really got to do it. 00:18:42.209 --> 00:18:45.169 Like I have to finish all of the thoughts that I had. 00:18:45.169 --> 00:18:47.409 So it was kind of like that, you know. 00:18:47.409 --> 00:18:48.769 But I'm thankful for it. 00:18:48.769 --> 00:18:49.889 It was just a surprise. 00:18:49.889 --> 00:18:51.569 I didn't set out to write. 00:18:52.529 --> 00:18:54.609 Sounds like it was meant to be. 00:18:54.609 --> 00:18:55.329 Yes. 00:18:55.329 --> 00:18:57.649 It really, really does. 00:18:57.649 --> 00:19:07.250 And so bridging even more, I want to get into a little bit more of what you talk about, like the three doors and things like that. 00:19:07.250 --> 00:19:14.769 Bridging the ancestral wisdom of humming, now we know it's good for the vagus nerve. 00:19:14.769 --> 00:19:18.929 Like these natural things and how it's translating today. 00:19:18.929 --> 00:19:30.129 So you actually, in your book, congratulations, ancestral roots makes a really great gift for people, stalking stuffers, guys. 00:19:30.129 --> 00:20:03.009 Um, you talked to us about the three doors, and you broke it down into a very relatable understanding about the body, the mind, and the spirit, and how move healing happens through moving through these doors and how the body holds, you know, the wound and the mind needs to name it in the spirit, can set it free. 00:20:03.009 --> 00:20:07.809 Can you talk to us a little bit about that process? 00:20:09.409 --> 00:20:10.769 Yes, uh absolutely. 00:20:10.769 --> 00:20:14.529 So, you know, I uh people always talk about to me the mind, body, and spirit. 00:20:14.529 --> 00:20:20.449 So a lot of what, you know, types of information that I read is about, you know, the connection of all of those. 00:20:20.449 --> 00:20:31.969 So when I was beginning to envision the book, I initially envisioned it like as kind of like three separate books, um, but it they became three

sections, you know, within the book. 00:20:31.969 --> 00:20:35.729 And so I was thinking of like how do we connect those? 00:20:35.729 --> 00:20:39.969 What do those look like in an African context or framework? 00:20:39.969 --> 00:20:49.490 So I did go with the Akon um in the TWID language and kind of looking at the TWEE and a con names for body, mind, and spirit. 00:20:49.490 --> 00:20:57.329 And the reason why I went with the TWEE is because years ago, um I had a grant with one of my sisters for the Center for Consciousness Studies. 00:20:57.329 --> 00:21:00.849 So we set out to study consciousness among the Akan. 00:21:00.849 --> 00:21:05.009 So we went there and we did field work and interviews and things like that. 00:21:05.009 --> 00:21:10.849 So I had some of that knowledge and some great stories, and some of them I talk about in the book, right? 00:21:10.849 --> 00:21:20.209 And so I was looking at, you know, so the the body, you know, the physical body, you know, the mind and thought and then spirit, right? 00:21:20.209 --> 00:21:34.369 We also kind of bring in some in the book, I bring in some of the a con termination uh terminology for, you know, the aspects of us beyond just our our mind, body, and spirit. 00:21:34.369 --> 00:21:50.689 But what do, you know, like for example, like our ancestors, our birth order, um, community, environment, you know, so there it's like levels of uh consciousness and who the body, you know, what the body is, like who are we? 00:21:50.689 --> 00:21:57.250 So we think of in you know, Western society, like mind and body, that's literally it, you know, right? 00:21:57.250 --> 00:22:01.169 But we know, you know, that the spirit is there, right? 00:22:01.169 --> 00:22:05.889 And so just doing that research, understanding that there's even levels of the spirit. 00:22:05.889 --> 00:22:11.569 So the acon talk about, for example, the okra and then the sung soon. 00:22:11.569 --> 00:22:16.209 So the occra would be how we are connected to the universal spirit. 00:22:16.209 --> 00:22:19.649 So we are a piece of the universal spirit. 00:22:19.649 --> 00:22:25.329 We're sometimes taught to think that, you know, God is there, you know, and we are here, right? 00:22:25.329 --> 00:22:30.769 And so we don't have any connection to that, you know, divine energy. 00:22:30.769 --> 00:22:33.009 So the occra looks at that. 00:22:33.009 --> 00:22:36.129 And so that is a piece of like who you are. 00:22:36.129 --> 00:22:40.369 And in the Akan um spiritual system, there are rituals and things. 00:22:40.369 --> 00:22:42.769 That you do to connect to that occur. 00:22:42.769 --> 00:22:46.609 And you, if you lose that connection to the universal spirit, it's not good. 00:22:46.609 --> 00:22:49.409 You know, it's not good for your overall well-being, right? 00:22:49.409 --> 00:22:50.449 So they have that. 00:22:50.449 --> 00:22:51.809 And then there's the Sun Sun. 00:22:51.809 --> 00:22:55.490 The Sun Sun is more like a guardian angel, if you want. 00:22:55.490 --> 00:22:57.569 Like it's your own spirit, right? 00:22:57.569 --> 00:23:00.209 And it's the one, you know, that protects you. 00:23:00.209 --> 00:23:06.849 If you ever have a dream where like you're fighting or you're running or something, you know, now you wake up and you're like, oh, I'm tired. 00:23:06.849 --> 00:23:09.009 Like, you know, that's your Sun Tun. 00:23:09.009 --> 00:23:12.689 They're out fighting, they're out exploring the world, they're out doing things, right? 00:23:12.689 --> 00:23:17.250 And so that's just the concept, you know, of spirit and of spirit-ness. 00:23:17.250 --> 00:23:27.169 So I thought it was important to really break down the book, you know, in that body, mind, and spirit, but then inside the depths of what those mean. 00:23:27.169 --> 00:23:28.529 So that's just an example. 00:23:28.529 --> 00:23:37.409 And then I kind of give stories because I have some really funny stories about as we're doing this research, how we're actually encountering these things. 00:23:37.409 --> 00:23:48.609 So just I thought of it as like a great point of departure, you know, from what we know in like Western society, the body, the mind, and introducing spirit. 00:23:48.609 --> 00:23:57.409 Some people, of course, may be familiar with spirit, but spirit as energy, like everything has energy, a rock has energy, trees have energy, everything, right? 00:23:57.409 --> 00:24:01.969 And so, how do we interact with our own energy and the energy of the world? 00:24:01.969 --> 00:24:09.569 And so, you know, kind of begin to kind of look into those things, but also keep it in a basic framework. 00:24:09.569 --> 00:24:10.609 That's what I was thinking. 00:24:10.609 --> 00:24:13.009 Like, how is this accessible to people? 00:24:13.009 --> 00:24:13.250 Yeah. 00:24:13.250 --> 00:24:19.490 So even the op-eds that I write, I have one that's uh weeds as medicine, right? 00:24:19.490 --> 00:24:23.729 And I talk about how I picked dandelion weeds from my grandmother. 00:24:23.729 --> 00:24:30.289 She used to make us go out and pick these weeds and she would put them inside her greens, like collar greens, and we would eat those. 00:24:30.289 --> 00:24:32.129 And I was like, Why are we eating it? 00:24:32.129 --> 00:24:38.609 Come to find out, like dandelion greens are like what tea and all that is some of the best nutrition for you, right? 00:24:38.609 --> 00:24:43.169 And so it's these concepts, like, how do we make these concepts accessible for people? 00:24:43.169 --> 00:24:47.889 So when they pick up my book, I didn't want them to have a whole public health, whole science thing, you know. 00:24:47.889 --> 00:24:51.969 Yes, some connections, but like, how do you make it accessible for people? 00:24:53.409 --> 00:24:54.689 I love that. 00:24:54.689 --> 00:24:59.409 Jenny, what else do you want to based on what she's saying? 00:25:00.289 --> 00:25:09.889 Well, I just want to say I love that because I got into

foraging because of an uh Instagram and TikTok creator called the Black Forager. 00:25:09.889 --> 00:25:11.089 Uh, that's her handle. 00:25:11.089 --> 00:25:18.609 Her name is Alexis, but she inspired me to start foraging because she talked about like how weeds are good for you. 00:25:18.609 --> 00:25:24.289 And she was bringing back like just community knowledge that like nobody was really talking about. 00:25:24.289 --> 00:25:31.169 And she said the reason why she called herself a black forager is because she wanted people to make no mistake who she was. 00:25:31.169 --> 00:25:41.649 But also I learned through her channel about how all these no trespassing signs that are very common in America really come from trying to keep black people away from food. 00:25:41.649 --> 00:25:45.409 And that was like amazing wisdom. 00:25:45.409 --> 00:26:04.129 So I what I want people to know about this book is that ancestral roots is for anyone, and it's this combination of science, of personal history, of African wisdom and practical ways to embody that. 00:26:04.129 --> 00:26:07.490 And that's the part that I love the most is the practicality. 00:26:07.490 --> 00:26:09.809 So I just wanted to say that to everybody. 00:26:09.809 --> 00:26:16.689 Um, but I wanted you mentioned it earlier, and it was one of the things I bookmarked was when you talked about your grandmother's dresser. 00:26:17.250 --> 00:26:17.889 Yeah. 00:26:17.889 --> 00:26:21.729 I want to hear more about my grandmother's dresser. 00:26:21.729 --> 00:26:24.529 So like I have them, they're here in my garage. 00:26:24.529 --> 00:26:27.250 So both sides, which is so funny to me. 00:26:27.250 --> 00:26:32.929 So when I grew up, right, you know, and I don't know if you have a question about it, but this is a story behind it. 00:26:32.929 --> 00:26:35.969 So when I grew up, these dressers were always there. 00:26:35.969 --> 00:26:39.250 You know, when I went to my grandmother's house and I was in love with them. 00:26:39.250 --> 00:26:47.809 To me, they were beautiful, old-timey, and you know, you go in the mirror, you're a little kid, and you put them on the clothes, and you know, and you're there and you're like this being. 00:26:47.809 --> 00:26:57.089 And it always just reminded me of just home and warmth and love and you know, I don't know, but they were just there, right? 00:26:57.089 --> 00:27:02.689 So when my grandmothers, I have one grandmother lived to 105 and the other one lived to 98. 00:27:02.689 --> 00:27:10.529 So both of them, I told them, I'm like, okay, you know, I, you know, if if you pass on, we're talking about that, like I, you know, want your dressers. 00:27:10.529 --> 00:27:12.849 Like, what are you talking about? 00:27:12.849 --> 00:27:13.889 But I don't know. 00:27:13.889 --> 00:27:20.929 I just really, they were a great metaphor for me for just departure, you know, and then, you know, what's that? 00:27:20.929 --> 00:27:25.169 The witch, the lion in the wardrobe, something like that book, you know, you read when you're a kid. 00:27:25.169 --> 00:27:31.809 Like, I always felt like I could go in them and then I can go, you know, to like ancestral world. 00:27:31.809 --> 00:27:37.490 Um, I was always fascinated with like ancient Egypt and history and ancient times. 00:27:37.490 --> 00:27:45.009 So that was like a thing, like I would play in their dressers, like, you know, I'm going back to this ancient time and I'm gonna be a queen there. 00:27:45.009 --> 00:27:47.889 I mean, it probably some of my past lives, who knows, right? 00:27:47.889 --> 00:27:50.129 But, you know, it's just this concept. 00:27:50.129 --> 00:28:03.409 So the dressers were so important to me to be a part of the book to explain the impact that my grandmother, our grandmothers, our grandmothers, and grandfathers and our ancestors have on who we are. 00:28:04.129 --> 00:28:06.129 That's it's totally what I was gonna ask you. 00:28:06.129 --> 00:28:06.689 So yeah. 00:28:06.689 --> 00:28:09.089 I mean, like, I just was too excited about it. 00:28:09.169 --> 00:28:09.250 Yeah. 00:28:09.649 --> 00:28:15.009 My my I have my grandmother's dolls that's they both had a doll that sat on their dresser. 00:28:15.009 --> 00:28:15.250 Yeah. 00:28:15.250 --> 00:28:16.289 And that's what I have. 00:28:16.289 --> 00:28:25.649 And I also have a vintage like dresser, and so like I totally embody this idea of like dresser as sacred space, especially for women. 00:28:25.649 --> 00:28:26.689 So I love that. 00:28:27.169 --> 00:28:27.969 Thank you. 00:28:28.609 --> 00:28:36.289 I love the lion, the witch in the wardrobe, and how the dresser can take you to those ancient places. 00:28:36.289 --> 00:28:38.929 Yeah, I absolutely love it. 00:28:38.929 --> 00:28:47.569 So also I wanted to touch on um there was a statement at Llewellyn Khan 2026. 00:28:47.569 --> 00:28:54.689 You guys go to YouTube, you can watch it, just type in her name or Llewellyncon, you can find it. 00:28:54.689 --> 00:28:59.089 It goes deeper into like these four, these three doors and such. 00:28:59.089 --> 00:29:03.169 But you had said something that I found was so profound, I was like, mic drop. 00:29:03.169 --> 00:29:12.609 I'm gonna screw it up, but it's the concept of we don't need to find a new framework. 00:29:12.609 --> 00:29:15.089 We already had it. 00:29:15.089 --> 00:29:19.729 Our ancestors have the framework that we can utilize now. 00:29:19.729 --> 00:29:28.929 That brought me such yeah we definitely speaks a can you speak a little bit to that? 00:29:28.929 --> 00:29:45.089 And then, of course, I want to go into how the historical trauma and how it can kind of still present itself within the body, depending on, you know, what body, what lineage, and and their pathway. 00:29:45.089 --> 00:29:46.609 So yeah. 00:29:46.929 --> 00:29:48.849 Yeah, so no, thank you for that. 00:29:48.849 --> 00:29:59.729 Um, you know, and then terms like yes, the framework is already here, but I'm

gonna say something that may be a little bit, you know, it's just we're gonna, you know, we're gonna see how we feel about it, right? 00:29:59.729 --> 00:30:07.889 So it's um I was on getting on a call with one of my sisters, long, you know, so we were we always kind of meet and do some work. 00:30:07.889 --> 00:30:21.969 And she as soon as she gets on the line, she says, okay, we already did this before, so we just have to remember what we did last time, what worked and didn't work, and you know, best practices, and then decide what we want to do this time. 00:30:21.969 --> 00:30:26.769 But she wasn't, we didn't do it before in this life, right? 00:30:26.769 --> 00:30:28.449 So we didn't do it before. 00:30:28.449 --> 00:30:30.529 And I was like, you're right. 00:30:30.529 --> 00:30:32.769 And I was like, you're right, you're right, you're right. 00:30:32.769 --> 00:30:39.009 So it was just like how, you know, we are our ancestors reborn, right? 00:30:39.009 --> 00:30:44.289 We can reach back at any time, you know, to understand things. 00:30:44.289 --> 00:30:46.849 We can reach forward and all of the things. 00:30:46.849 --> 00:30:52.129 So when I think about the framework, it's not really new, it's old, it's been there, right? 00:30:52.129 --> 00:31:00.529 It's just the ability and the consciousness that we need to tap into our ancestors and who we are because we were them, right? 00:31:00.529 --> 00:31:16.369 And so, you know, when I think about the framework, it's really just um like just understanding what has happened before, you know, and how did we manage it or take care of it then, right? 00:31:16.369 --> 00:31:20.689 And, you know, move forward, but also say it's a brand new thing. 00:31:20.689 --> 00:31:21.889 It hadn't happened before. 00:31:21.889 --> 00:31:25.649 But what is this like, you know, and how should we think about it? 00:31:25.649 --> 00:31:29.009 So how would our ancestors, you know, think about it and do it? 00:31:29.009 --> 00:31:31.809 I have a friend uh who's at Howard University, Dr. 00:31:31.809 --> 00:31:32.849 Kamathi Carr. 00:31:32.849 --> 00:31:41.490 I'll have to shout him out because he's brilliant, but he talks about all the time, he has a big library behind him, like all his books, like my books are downstairs, all his books. 00:31:41.490 --> 00:31:49.409 And he says he lets the ancestors, the books, talk to him, you know, when he has to do a presentation or when he's talking to people. 00:31:49.409 --> 00:31:51.569 What did Marcus Garvey say? 00:31:51.569 --> 00:31:54.609 What did I vulner say about this situation? 00:31:54.609 --> 00:31:56.449 How can we look at these things? 00:31:56.449 --> 00:32:18.689 And so I think it's just this concept, our idea of drawing on the past, you know, drawing on our ancestral wisdom and then drawing on us, you know, as ancestors returned, you know, and remembering what it is we need to remember in order to affect, you know, uh, you know, our living and how we're doing today. 00:32:20.369 --> 00:32:21.169 I love that. 00:32:21.169 --> 00:32:29.250 I want to um share a little personal story with you and the listeners, as well as my lovely co-host Jenny Seabell. 00:32:29.250 --> 00:32:40.689 So my father, Reverend Jackson Yazzi of the Navajo Nation, was born in New Mexico um in 1932. 00:32:40.689 --> 00:32:47.329 And so hence when he was a young boy, he was born and he lived in a hogon. 00:32:47.329 --> 00:32:52.449 When he was a young boy, he was taken from his Hogan, his home. 00:32:52.449 --> 00:33:03.649 He was put into the boarding schools, his hair was cut, he was not allowed to speak his native tongue, um, and etc. 00:33:03.649 --> 00:33:05.409 He was whitewashed. 00:33:05.409 --> 00:33:09.009 And then I'm his youngest. 00:33:09.009 --> 00:33:12.209 He had me when he was about 39 years old. 00:33:12.209 --> 00:33:23.649 And one day I'm sitting here in my home, I'm running a nonprofit called the Eagle Heart Foundation for, you know, to kind of bridge all of that. 00:33:23.649 --> 00:33:36.049 Nonetheless, um somebody came over to visit, and it was a business consultant that was going to consult me on how to run, you know, the nonprofit. 00:33:36.049 --> 00:33:46.609 And I'm sitting there at my dining room table talking with him, my body just started shaking, and I couldn't hold my water. 00:33:46.609 --> 00:33:50.049 And I was like, what the hell is going on with me? 00:33:50.049 --> 00:33:52.369 Why is this happening to me? 00:33:52.369 --> 00:33:54.849 Why am I afraid of this man? 00:33:55.169 --> 00:33:55.490 Yeah. 00:33:55.490 --> 00:33:56.289 Wow. 00:33:56.609 --> 00:34:09.730 And come to find out after I shared with him the vision of exactly what you said at the beginning of this show, that you go to even just the Navajos and said, What is it that you want? 00:34:09.730 --> 00:34:22.690 That is the key because with the Navajos, they were already already told, hey, you need to go to white man school, you need the white man gods, you need to be an apple, which is red on the outside, white on the inside. 00:34:22.690 --> 00:34:26.769 And my body was shaking, and I was so traumatized. 00:34:26.769 --> 00:34:30.449 I'm like, I'm sorry, I don't know what if I'm cold or what. 00:34:30.449 --> 00:34:35.090 And he basically threw down, and I dismissed him from my house. 00:34:35.090 --> 00:34:39.250 He says, Oh, what you are doing is wrong. 00:34:39.250 --> 00:34:41.409 We are doing this right. 00:34:41.409 --> 00:34:44.530 I serve the only God, the white man God. 00:34:44.530 --> 00:34:47.490 And he said that, and I was like, Okay, thank you. 00:34:47.490 --> 00:34:48.769 And he left. 00:34:48.769 --> 00:34:54.930 And I it took me a long time to realize that it was my DNA that was traumatized. 00:34:54.930 --> 00:34:58.610 My DNA absolutely recognized it. 00:34:58.610 --> 00:35:05.090 And and that's one of the things that I love about what you're doing is because I'm like I said, Gen X. 00:35:05.090 -->

00:35:13.410 But that is a very cle I mean, that was my dad in my body, and right now I'm still kind of shaking. 00:35:13.410 --> 00:35:14.930 I was like, oh, that was so scary. 00:35:14.930 --> 00:35:19.010 I felt like he was gonna seriously, my I was triggered. 00:35:19.010 --> 00:35:29.329 From your perspective and with your work and everything that you do to include your beautiful ancestral roots, what was happening? 00:35:29.329 --> 00:35:32.370 What was happening to me? 00:35:32.370 --> 00:35:34.210 Was it just DNA trauma? 00:35:34.370 --> 00:35:49.570 How do I so what was happening to you was definitely your spirit, you know, having that response and your ancestral spirits, though, you know, and those uh other spirits to be nature spirits and things that walk with you, right? 00:35:49.570 --> 00:35:55.410 All having that trauma response because the DNA doesn't forget it's there, right? 00:35:55.410 --> 00:36:02.849 And so it's like, how do we really reconcile that those parts of ourselves that may have that, you know, DNA, right? 00:36:02.849 --> 00:36:06.450 But you also, when I think about ancestral roots, which is so interesting. 00:36:06.450 --> 00:36:13.809 So, yes, we all have ancestors, and you know, um, ancestors can be positive or negative, right? 00:36:13.809 --> 00:36:24.769 So even ancestors of European-American people, you know, they're perpetuating the same things that their ancestors perpetuated, right? 00:36:24.769 --> 00:36:37.170 And so we had your body was having this response is something that was experienced, you know, by your ancestor, right, before, but it's the same experience, really, for you, right? 00:36:37.170 --> 00:36:44.690 It's the same thing because that person represented their ancestors and what their ancestors did to your ancestors, right? 00:36:44.690 --> 00:36:47.010 And so your ancestors are ready to fight. 00:36:47.010 --> 00:36:53.170 Like, oh, you know, like, hey, this, like, it's not a new contemporary time, like, oh, we forgot about all that. 00:36:53.170 --> 00:36:59.010 No, you know, it's interesting because when you look at time, it's not linear like what people think. 00:36:59.010 --> 00:37:01.809 You know, it's very circular and it collapses. 00:37:01.809 --> 00:37:09.090 And in fact, you know, people believe and some of the research that I do uh that there are seven superimposed worlds on this one, right? 00:37:09.090 --> 00:37:13.410 And so these things are going on like simultaneously, if you will. 00:37:13.410 --> 00:37:19.010 So, like the same place, different time, you know, the same time, you know, in space. 00:37:19.010 --> 00:37:25.730 So it's it's so interesting, like how all of these things, when you look at some of the ancestral wisdom unfold. 00:37:25.730 --> 00:37:29.890 So what you were looking at wasn't like something distinct. 00:37:29.890 --> 00:37:33.970 If you think about that theory, it was going on at the same time. 00:37:33.970 --> 00:37:44.690 So the oppression of your ancestors was going on at the same time that you were understanding this, and so they were in that fight, and you were in that fight, and it's in that fight. 00:37:44.690 --> 00:37:46.690 So it's the same. 00:37:46.690 --> 00:37:51.090 So, yes, trauma responds, but it's also it's still happening. 00:37:51.090 --> 00:37:53.170 It did not stop, you know. 00:37:53.170 --> 00:38:03.570 So there were temporary, uh temporary like um battles that were won, you know, or temporary ways to alleviate that, right? 00:38:03.570 --> 00:38:09.490 Because our ancestors had to alleviate some of that trauma because how could we live and survive, right? 00:38:09.490 --> 00:38:14.130 But it doesn't mean that it was banished totally, or doesn't mean that it went away. 00:38:14.130 --> 00:38:23.010 Hence, you know, all of our cultures have these rituals and things that we need to do when we experience things like that and how to clear land. 00:38:23.010 --> 00:38:26.450 You know, that's one of my biggest things, one of my biggest gifts. 00:38:26.450 --> 00:38:29.170 I'm always put in this place where I gotta clear some land. 00:38:29.170 --> 00:38:29.970 I'm like, what? 00:38:29.970 --> 00:38:33.890 You know, the places that I move, I'm like, oh, here we go, you know. 00:38:33.890 --> 00:38:38.210 But, you know, I think, you know, that was that's just something I've been assigned to do. 00:38:38.210 --> 00:38:40.289 But we do, we have to clear it, you know. 00:38:40.289 --> 00:38:49.570 So even like, you know, places where we live and things that may have been there before, although the physical structure is not there, the thing is still there. 00:38:49.570 --> 00:38:54.930 The energy of what happened in that place is still there and it has to be cleansed, it has to be banished. 00:38:55.890 --> 00:38:56.450 Love that. 00:38:56.450 --> 00:39:09.250 And although my story is, you know, wow, what I the reason why I laid that out to the listeners is because it still happens today. 00:39:09.250 --> 00:39:27.890 And although mine is a big experience around that, you may, whether whatever BIPOC, whatever whatever you know, lineage you come from, you may encounter those types of things, even though mine was fresh and to the surface because of who I am and the direct lineage. 00:39:27.890 --> 00:39:42.289 But even throughout your movement, throughout your day, throughout your I bought this house and what happened here, I've got to clear the land, all of that is what our ancestors knew. 00:39:42.289 --> 00:39:53.730 And and you kind of talk about it, which you're also kind of going a little into the quantum physics, but that's another show because I'm there with you, layers upon layers. 00:39:53.730 --> 00:40:03.170 But I kind of wanted to share my story to help people, even if they on a little scale, just go, oh, I just don't like that place. 00:40:03.170 --> 00:40:04.210 Oh, right. 00:40:04.450 --> 00:40:05.170 Pay attention. 00:40:05.170 --> 00:40:12.930 If you don't

like that place, you don't like that people, don't get in that car, don't do this, don't walk down that road, pay attention to your first line. 00:40:12.930 --> 00:40:18.050 I can't tell you how many times I'm driving down the road and something says, Don't go that way. 00:40:18.050 --> 00:40:20.849 And I'm thinking, like, it's short, it's shorter though. 00:40:20.849 --> 00:40:27.090 But I listen and I'm gonna go around the other way and find out, you know, the 10-car pile-up that way. 00:40:27.090 --> 00:40:32.769 Listen, you know, it's many times the ancestors will get you out of situations. 00:40:32.769 --> 00:40:39.329 You know, you have to listen to your first mind and what they're telling you, and you have to be able to cultivate that healing and listening. 00:40:39.329 --> 00:40:41.490 And so for you, you had already cultivated. 00:40:41.490 --> 00:40:45.490 That's why you had that experience because you're already open, you can see, you can hear it, you can feel it. 00:40:45.490 --> 00:40:49.250 Some people have blocked that off, and we've been trained to block that off. 00:40:49.250 --> 00:40:51.809 We've been trained to forget about our ancestors. 00:40:51.809 --> 00:40:53.010 Oh, that's superstition. 00:40:53.010 --> 00:40:59.809 Oh, you know, you have some type of mental health, you know, problem if you're hearing, you know, voices and things like that. 00:40:59.809 --> 00:41:02.450 So, you know, yeah, but maybe no, right? 00:41:02.450 --> 00:41:13.329 So it's like, how do we and re-incorporate, how do we teach our young people, our children, you know, um, about ancestral healing, ancestral intelligence? 00:41:13.329 --> 00:41:15.890 Because we have to reclaim it or bring it back. 00:41:15.890 --> 00:41:20.610 Because what happens is people are like, no, you know, that's the devil or that's this. 00:41:20.610 --> 00:41:22.690 I'm like, no, it's not the devil, right? 00:41:22.690 --> 00:41:27.329 And so, you know, it's part of our culture and where we come from, you know, in our history. 00:41:27.329 --> 00:41:34.530 You know, Malcolm X famously said, just because we put biscuits in, just because we put cats in the oven that don't make them biscuits. 00:41:34.530 --> 00:41:39.650 So just because you change the location of the people don't mean they stop being the people, right? 00:41:39.650 --> 00:41:49.329 You know, so how do we reclaim this ancestral wisdom and how do we begin to re-fortify ourselves because we're open to a lot of attacks? 00:41:49.329 --> 00:41:52.210 You know, look, we can, you know, go on and on about that. 00:41:52.210 --> 00:41:56.130 You know, we're open to these things because people are ignoring them. 00:41:56.130 --> 00:42:02.530 They're like, oh no, it's a modern society, racism doesn't exist, this doesn't exist, you know, BF, right? 00:42:02.530 --> 00:42:09.250 So we have to reach back and we have to understand, or else it'll just keep it'll keep happening. 00:42:09.490 --> 00:42:10.050 Mm-hmm. 00:42:10.050 --> 00:42:18.849 And we and we can heal that, and a lot of the healing can be through ancestral roots. 00:42:18.849 --> 00:42:22.370 Oh, I absolutely love it. 00:42:22.370 --> 00:42:24.210 So what else, Jenny? 00:42:25.010 --> 00:42:26.610 Uh well, that was pretty heavy. 00:42:26.610 --> 00:42:29.890 So I'm gonna take us to a little, a little lighter topic. 00:42:29.890 --> 00:42:34.849 Um, I do want to say that I think this book would be a really good graduation gift. 00:42:34.849 --> 00:42:37.010 Make a great Christmas gift that's coming up. 00:42:37.010 --> 00:42:43.570 But I was thinking, I worked with like 55 students and got them all into college, and they were my avid students. 00:42:43.570 --> 00:42:50.849 And I'm thinking, man, this would have been so good to give to every single one of them as a way of like, okay, how do I heal? 00:42:50.849 --> 00:42:56.769 And it's and also I want to say, like, if you are in a certain religion, you can still practice this. 00:42:56.930 --> 00:42:57.170 That's right. 00:42:57.410 --> 00:42:59.170 Like, there's and that's what I love about it. 00:42:59.170 --> 00:43:00.610 It's like it's for everybody. 00:43:00.610 --> 00:43:05.730 So um, but one of my favorite sections, it's a little section where you talk about music. 00:43:05.730 --> 00:43:11.730 And we love to talk about Granddaughter Crow and I love talking about music and spirituality. 00:43:11.730 --> 00:43:14.289 So it's called Music Suze the Savage Beast. 00:43:14.289 --> 00:43:22.130 And you talk about like the power of music and then love the story of you and your cousins making up your song. 00:43:22.370 --> 00:43:22.530 Yeah. 00:43:22.849 --> 00:43:24.130 Two when you're little. 00:43:24.130 --> 00:43:32.930 And so, yeah, if we could just talk a little bit, because that's something the listeners could go away right now and go do something with music immediately after this. 00:43:33.250 --> 00:43:33.970 Immediately. 00:43:33.970 --> 00:43:47.730 That's what the power of music, because it's so accessible and it speaks to you and it's fun and you dance and you feel good and all of the things, you know, that's why it makes it so accessible and a great point of like departure, you know. 00:43:47.730 --> 00:43:55.329 So for you know, all of traditions that we're speaking about, music has always been more than entertainment, you know, of course. 00:43:55.329 --> 00:43:58.930 So it's, you know, the rhythm, the dance, the song. 00:43:58.930 --> 00:44:01.329 It's all a sort of prayer, right? 00:44:01.329 --> 00:44:06.849 It's a prayer, it's a communication, it's a remembrance, you know, um, it's a connection. 00:44:06.849 --> 00:44:10.210 So, you know, music just carries information. 00:44:10.210 --> 00:44:14.690 I also look at it as a computer, we talk about it's data. 00:44:14.690 --> 00:44:19.329 Um, it carries information across generations, you know. 00:44:19.329 --> 00:44:24.130 And some sometimes we don't have the language for

what we carry, as we just spoke about. 00:44:24.130 --> 00:44:29.730 Sometimes we don't know about ancestral information, but the music brings us there, right? 00:44:29.730 --> 00:44:32.130 So, how many of you seen centers? 00:44:32.130 --> 00:44:32.930 Right? 00:44:32.930 --> 00:44:34.370 That's what it's talking about. 00:44:34.370 --> 00:44:35.809 Cinners for a movie. 00:44:35.809 --> 00:44:36.050 What? 00:44:36.050 --> 00:44:40.450 It is so great because it's music, it's the blues, it's the point of departure. 00:44:40.450 --> 00:44:42.210 And it brings us together. 00:44:42.210 --> 00:44:43.329 Like we love music. 00:44:43.329 --> 00:44:44.530 We love the blues. 00:44:44.530 --> 00:44:51.730 And even that scene where they're playing music and all the different traditions and the ancestors are in there and they're dancing, right? 00:44:51.730 --> 00:44:54.930 It's communication, it's communion, it's coming together. 00:44:54.930 --> 00:44:56.370 So, yes, music. 00:44:56.370 --> 00:45:06.130 The reason why I named it music soothes the savage beast, because for me, that has always been a big deal, and probably for tons of other people. 00:45:06.130 --> 00:45:15.170 But if I'm upset or angry or sad or need um information and communication, I need answers, I need help. 00:45:15.170 --> 00:45:17.890 It comes from the music for me, right? 00:45:17.890 --> 00:45:20.050 And so I'll put on different songs. 00:45:20.050 --> 00:45:22.289 And sometimes ancestors speak to me that way. 00:45:22.289 --> 00:45:26.849 I'll be in the car and a song will come on, and I'm like, yeah, you know, and it'll have the answer. 00:45:26.849 --> 00:45:32.130 It'll pick me up, it will let me know, you know, my ancestors are there, whatever. 00:45:32.130 --> 00:45:41.970 So it's not just like hearing, but it's using your all of your senses and your sixth sense and you know, all the others, and we feel it, you know. 00:45:41.970 --> 00:45:54.210 So, you know, it's the rhythm that helps us, it really regulates our breathing, it regulates our nervous system, you know, like the movement, the emotion, the memory, you know. 00:45:54.210 --> 00:46:02.610 So it's just this really um beautiful example of like how ancestral intelligence can be embodied, right? 00:46:02.610 --> 00:46:04.450 And not just intellectually understood. 00:46:04.450 --> 00:46:11.730 So most often when we think about music, yes, we have people who study music, but we don't first think like, oh, let me break down this song. 00:46:11.730 --> 00:46:18.370 And it's so how many of us love songs and love the beat, but the lyrics, and you listen to it later, you're like, is that what it said? 00:46:18.370 --> 00:46:23.010 Like so, but you got into it for the beat and the rhythm and all of that, right? 00:46:23.010 --> 00:46:36.530 And so we don't necessarily first intellectually break down the music, we just feel it first and we understand, you know, and that, you know, the body remembers that, you know, the spirit, you know, the mind remembers that. 00:46:36.530 --> 00:46:37.490 Um, yeah. 00:46:37.490 --> 00:46:42.050 So again, this is music is so important, like you said, and it's something we can take away today. 00:46:42.050 --> 00:46:51.890 So pay attention, you know, first of all, to you know, what type of music sues you, you know, what makes you happy, you know, what makes you remember things, what makes you dance. 00:46:51.890 --> 00:46:55.570 And then also what music that may irritate you? 00:46:55.570 --> 00:47:02.289 There are those, you know, some music that may irritate your spirit and may irritate, so maybe you should stop listening to that, right? 00:47:02.289 --> 00:47:04.210 That particular one, right? 00:47:04.210 --> 00:47:06.610 So just pay attention on like how you feel. 00:47:06.610 --> 00:47:09.650 And like you said, that's something that's super accessible. 00:47:09.650 --> 00:47:12.530 We listen to it every day, you know, all day. 00:47:12.530 --> 00:47:15.809 You know, what are your favorites and what are they saying to you? 00:47:15.809 --> 00:47:17.010 What are the lyrics? 00:47:17.010 --> 00:47:19.410 What is the beat, the melody, how does it make you feel? 00:47:19.410 --> 00:47:20.610 Like all of those things. 00:47:20.610 --> 00:47:21.890 And you're right. 00:47:22.050 --> 00:47:27.570 And I want to also add, you know, do you do you currently I just wanted to ask if you had a favorite song currently? 00:47:27.809 --> 00:47:29.250 Oh my God, I have so many. 00:47:29.250 --> 00:47:30.769 It like changes daily. 00:47:30.769 --> 00:47:32.130 I have let me think of something. 00:47:32.130 --> 00:47:36.769 I'm gonna address something you said earlier, too, in terms of the audience for the book. 00:47:36.769 --> 00:47:39.490 Those are that was my thought, you know, as I'm writing. 00:47:39.490 --> 00:47:44.610 I wanted it to be young people, like, you know, high school kind of going into college. 00:47:44.610 --> 00:47:51.090 And so my dream is actually to go to colleges and the students have my book and I talk about it. 00:47:51.090 --> 00:47:52.130 That's what I want to do. 00:47:52.130 --> 00:47:53.970 So maybe that'll come true. 00:47:53.970 --> 00:47:54.930 That's what I want to do. 00:47:54.930 --> 00:47:57.090 So, you know how they have like freshman orientation? 00:47:57.090 --> 00:48:00.450 I want everybody to have my book and like, yeah, let's talk about it. 00:48:00.450 --> 00:48:02.130 And so, you know, it will happen. 00:48:02.130 --> 00:48:03.329 So I'll put it out there. 00:48:03.329 --> 00:48:05.410 So, okay, so like songs. 00:48:05.410 --> 00:48:07.650 I'm trying to think of what I have been. 00:48:07.650 --> 00:48:10.690 I listened to so many different ones. 00:48:10.690 --> 00:48:13.410 Um, I'm like thinking something good. 00:48:13.410 --> 00:48:16.930 I would say, let me go with like a Stevie Wonder right now. 00:48:16.930 --> 00:48:17.329 Yes. 00:48:17.329 --> 00:48:20.210 Yeah, so I was thinking about

as. 00:48:20.210 --> 00:48:27.730 So, you know, he has a uh concert tour coming up, and as he's an elder, you know, people really are interested in going to this concert. 00:48:27.730 --> 00:48:36.050 We all are, but as is like one of the songs for me that just fill my heart and fill my spirit, and you know, all of the things. 00:48:36.050 --> 00:48:37.170 So I'll go with that. 00:48:37.170 --> 00:48:39.329 I'll go with as my Stevie Wonder. 00:48:40.450 --> 00:48:43.010 That's my that's my go-to uplifting. 00:48:43.010 --> 00:48:45.490 I just called, I just called to say I love you. 00:48:45.490 --> 00:48:47.250 I think is one of the best songs ever made. 00:48:47.650 --> 00:48:49.329 Okay, all of the songs, so yeah. 00:48:49.329 --> 00:48:56.769 So again, you know, and this is you know just the genius of Stevie Wonder, you know, not sighted in this site, right? 00:48:56.769 --> 00:49:01.250 So we have to think about other sight and spiritual sight, and you know how that comes into play. 00:49:01.250 --> 00:49:02.530 So interesting. 00:49:03.329 --> 00:49:04.450 I love that. 00:49:04.450 --> 00:49:15.809 And you know, I also love the life hack of listen to music and turn, choose the one that is gonna speak with you right now. 00:49:15.809 --> 00:49:22.930 And I when I'm in like um, you know, crazy, oh my goodness, my mind's running. 00:49:22.930 --> 00:49:24.050 What do I gotta do? 00:49:24.050 --> 00:49:25.809 I'm like, okay, what am I doing? 00:49:25.809 --> 00:49:26.530 Let me breathe. 00:49:26.530 --> 00:49:27.650 Oh, that's not working. 00:49:27.650 --> 00:49:36.370 Oh, let me just turn on music and it regulates my mind, my body, my spirit. 00:49:36.370 --> 00:49:42.930 And if you ever, if you guys ever watch a show, I do a lot of nodding, but really it's like I'm just dancing here. 00:49:42.930 --> 00:49:45.329 I'm just keeping a beat, I'm just doing the rhythm. 00:49:46.370 --> 00:49:47.090 Yeah, that's right. 00:49:47.090 --> 00:49:57.970 It's funny because even like with your children, with my daughters, we listen to some songs in the car, and they still to this day remember them and they'll bring them up and how it made them feel. 00:49:57.970 --> 00:50:01.090 So there's a song that was like on a barbecue CD or something. 00:50:01.090 --> 00:50:02.930 It's called You Are the Universe. 00:50:02.930 --> 00:50:05.730 And they talk about that song today. 00:50:05.730 --> 00:50:10.690 But what it taught them is they are the universe that they can manifest, that they can feel it. 00:50:10.690 --> 00:50:16.289 And it's so funny because, you know, they're all grown and we'll bring it up and we'll put it on and we'll dance. 00:50:16.289 --> 00:50:20.610 But it's also, you know, influencing how they're thinking about themselves. 00:50:20.610 --> 00:50:35.329 So, you know, when you're in the car with them or, you know, when you're growing up, like what music that your parents play on the record player or, you know, whatever, those things also, you

know, kind of influence you who you are and help, you know, think about yourself. 00:50:35.329 --> 00:50:39.730 So, of course, we want you to think about yourself in a positive way, you know. 00:50:41.329 --> 00:50:42.130 I love that. 00:50:42.130 --> 00:50:49.410 And then back to your point about getting this book into the hands of the early learners. 00:50:49.410 --> 00:50:55.570 If you guys are in public education, private education, have any influence? 00:50:55.570 --> 00:51:03.090 How could people maybe get in contact with you if that inspired somebody to do something like, oh, well, gosh, I've got a class coming up. 00:51:03.090 --> 00:51:04.210 Maybe we could do that. 00:51:04.210 --> 00:51:07.329 How can people get in touch with you? 00:51:07.650 --> 00:51:08.210 Okay, yeah. 00:51:08.210 --> 00:51:13.170 I actually have a few websites, but you know, ArlethaLazanna.com is there. 00:51:13.170 --> 00:51:20.930 Um, also has saberwomen.com on Instagram, you know, TikTok, any of those ways at Morehouse School of Medicine. 00:51:20.930 --> 00:51:22.289 You can look me up there. 00:51:22.289 --> 00:51:27.329 Um, but yes, I would love to speak to young people, you know, about this book. 00:51:27.329 --> 00:51:28.370 That's one of my dreams. 00:51:28.370 --> 00:51:35.970 I just want like some schools to purchase like copies, and I just go to freshman orientation and we really just have a workshop and have fun. 00:51:35.970 --> 00:51:38.769 And in those workshops, like the music is included. 00:51:38.769 --> 00:51:41.410 Like, we gotta play a music, like what's our playlist? 00:51:41.410 --> 00:51:45.329 So have them, you know, send in songs if they want and inspire them. 00:51:45.329 --> 00:51:49.890 So, you know, really not just talk, you know, at young people. 00:51:49.890 --> 00:51:51.490 Like, I don't like that, you know. 00:51:51.490 --> 00:51:53.010 Like, how can we talk together? 00:51:53.010 --> 00:51:56.530 And, you know, they can learn some things from me, but I can also learn things from them. 00:51:56.530 --> 00:51:58.370 You know, you're that's the one thing. 00:51:58.370 --> 00:52:03.410 Like, you're never too old to learn, and you should be learning something every day. 00:52:03.410 --> 00:52:07.809 Something, you know, I mean, it doesn't have to be extensive where you read a whole book. 00:52:07.809 --> 00:52:17.010 Well, what is the one thing that you learn today, you know, to better yourself or to encourage, you know, your thinking or encourage your spirit in your life. 00:52:17.010 --> 00:52:18.769 So, you know, I can learn for them too. 00:52:18.769 --> 00:52:19.890 So I'm excited about it. 00:52:20.130 --> 00:52:21.090 I love that. 00:52:21.090 --> 00:52:22.289 I love that. 00:52:22.289 --> 00:52:23.730 So what else, Jenny? 00:52:23.730 --> 00:52:26.690 Are we almost ready to wrap it up? 00:52:26.690 --> 00:52:52.930 Which is so sad because this went so fast and there's so many different ideas that I want to highlight about the

work that you do and what you bring to the world and how you are a trailblazer, but not just with new ideas, but with bringing back and remembering in the body and the mind and the spirit through through music and all of it, you guys have to pick up this book, Ancestral Roots. 00:52:52.930 --> 00:52:56.849 All of the information is down below in the show notes. 00:52:56.849 --> 00:52:59.250 So, Jenny, go ahead. 00:52:59.650 --> 00:53:02.370 Yeah, do you before we ask our last question? 00:53:02.370 --> 00:53:08.769 I would love to know if you have any upcoming events or things that our listeners might want to check out. 00:53:09.170 --> 00:53:24.690 Uh yeah, so what I was thinking about, I do have an upcoming, I'm speaking, I actually just had a speaking engagement yesterday, but I have an upcoming, I'm gonna be speaking at the Morehouse School of Medicine Natural Pot Products and Health Disparities Symposium on Friday, November 6th. 00:53:24.690 --> 00:53:29.090 There's also an online version, so in-person here in Atlanta, but also online. 00:53:29.090 --> 00:53:36.289 And the cool thing about that is I'm incorporating, as we spoke about, like ancestral intelligence and public health. 00:53:36.289 --> 00:53:57.329 So I have an African and African diaspora natural and traditional medicine certificate program that I developed, you know, through Warhouse School of Medicine to really help people learn about ancestral healing and ancestral tradition, herbs, all of the things, right, that come from Africa and African diaspora. 00:53:57.329 --> 00:53:59.170 It's like, you know, we know that it's there. 00:53:59.170 --> 00:54:06.930 We know all about, you know, Chinese medicine, traditional Chinese medicine we know about are Vediv, you know, but what comes out of the African traditions? 00:54:06.930 --> 00:54:15.170 And so I'll be speaking about that at the symposium and weaving in the concept, of course, of ancestral intelligence and public health. 00:54:15.170 --> 00:54:17.410 So that's a big one, you know, coming up. 00:54:17.410 --> 00:54:21.170 If you can tune in online or you can come in person, that would be great. 00:54:22.930 --> 00:54:23.650 Love that. 00:54:23.650 --> 00:54:25.010 So much going on. 00:54:25.010 --> 00:54:28.050 Check out websites, websites. 00:54:28.050 --> 00:54:31.490 So, Jenny, do you want to ask the final question? 00:54:32.210 --> 00:54:40.050 Yeah, I would be honored because I'm excited after all the things we talked about, especially Seven Worlds and Time being circular. 00:54:40.050 --> 00:54:44.930 So we ask our guests at the end what they believe lies beyond. 00:54:44.930 --> 00:54:47.329 So, what do you think lies beyond? 00:54:47.730 --> 00:54:48.370 Oh wow. 00:54:48.370 --> 00:54:50.050 Uh, what lies beyond? 00:54:50.050 --> 00:54:59.410 I would say um it's things that we've already encountered, um, things that we have to remember, you know. 00:54:59.410 --> 00:55:19.570 So there is, you know, as above, so below, you know, so things that have um has always been, you know, the way to put it, you know, in a quantum physics way, you know, I think that's what lies beyond really our understanding of that, right? 00:55:19.570 --> 00:55:27.970 Um, I think sometimes we limit to ourselves, like, okay, just it's now we're here and we live that, you know, but what about our generations before? 00:55:27.970 --> 00:55:32.450 Really, where do we come from as starseed, you know, and how is that incorporated? 00:55:32.450 --> 00:55:46.370 And I think that we will, that's something beyond that we'll learn more about and how time really is circular and how there's been movies such as Interstellar and some of those that kind of talk about it, you know. 00:55:46.370 --> 00:55:54.769 But I'm thinking beyond, we'll really have a conscious understanding of that, and it'll be something that we'll be able to weave into our everyday world. 00:55:54.769 --> 00:55:57.730 You know, how do we communicate with our ancestors? 00:55:57.730 --> 00:56:08.450 How do we learn from our ancestors, you know, and then even when we pass on, like, how do we still become uh remain a part, you know, of this world and other worlds? 00:56:08.450 --> 00:56:12.289 So it's so much, so that's what I think about when I think about beyond. 00:56:12.289 --> 00:56:17.570 How does that become part of our everyday world, such as TikTok? 00:56:17.570 --> 00:56:24.610 You know, like how this, you know, when we're speaking commonly, you know, about ancestral intelligence and healing. 00:56:24.610 --> 00:56:27.410 So when does that become everyday speak? 00:56:29.650 --> 00:56:31.329 I love that. 00:56:31.329 --> 00:56:36.050 So it's it's almost like beyond is it's already here. 00:56:36.050 --> 00:56:37.970 We just need to understand what it is. 00:56:37.970 --> 00:56:41.410 That's kind of it's like this beautiful thing. 00:56:41.410 --> 00:56:43.250 Oh my goodness. 00:56:43.250 --> 00:56:48.050 I am just so happy to be sitting down here with you tonight, you guys. 00:56:48.050 --> 00:56:56.769 Pick up the book, Ancestral Roots, as well as like, subscribe, share, write a review, buy this. 00:56:56.769 --> 00:57:05.010 It makes a wonderful gift stocking stuffer for the people in your life that you're just like, oh, you know what? 00:57:05.010 --> 00:57:06.370 They would like this. 00:57:06.370 --> 00:57:10.370 First, pick it up and read it yourself, and then buy it as gifts and everything. 00:57:10.370 --> 00:57:13.970 So thank you so much, Dr. 00:57:13.970 --> 00:57:18.210 Lisanna, for joining us on the show tonight. 00:57:18.210 --> 00:57:32.050 I just really appreciate it because here at Belief Being and Beyond, we love hosting the children of our ancestors who might have been us long ago in a different body. 00:57:32.050 --> 00:57:33.650 So, anyway, thank you guys. 00:57:33.650 --> 00:57:38.289 Thank you for listening, and we will talk to you on the flippity flip.