Scott Hahn Refutes Catholic Zionism in Awkward Exchange의 전체 녹취록

--> 00:04:53.120 I mean, he's like my he's like my Irish twin. 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:59.600 And um, like him and I were best friends growing up, and then he falls into heroin addiction. 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:05.519 Every day of my life for like five years, I was waiting for a phone call to tell me that my brother died. 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:11.279 Five years ago, my brother got clean, and but that messy mate in those five years. 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:12.800 Was this the same? 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:24.959 Um the the our last episode, you talked about how you know your your family almost ostracized someone, but your mom, yeah, the door open. 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:25.920 This is him, right? 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:26.800 Absolutely, yeah. 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:34.399 So, like this period where my brother was addicted to heroin, all of us, like all the men in the home in the family, especially, were like, cut him off, stop, you're enabling him. 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:39.040 My mom left this door open to him, and he five years ago he gets himself clean. 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:42.240 He's been clean for five years, he hasn't had a single slip up. 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:46.639 This kid has been killing himself to get his life in order. 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:49.920 While he was using his house, fell into foreclosure. 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:52.480 He accrued a ton of debt. 00:05:52.720 --> 00:06:07.040 He wound up after he gets clean, he goes into bankruptcy, but is able to save his home and put all his credit cards, all everything on the on the he's got to come up with like six grand a month to pay off this bankruptcy with his mortgage. 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:13.360 Then he's got all these other things, but he's killing himself at work six days a week for five years now. 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:18.800 And then last year, this this stupid furnace thing happens. 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:23.120 Like three months later, his car dies on him. 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:31.600 So now for the past year, my brother's been carpooling to work with me, or my brother Dom, or my brother Joey, or my brother uh Frankie, he's been catching a ride into work every day. 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:37.920 He doesn't like he he he just is underwater, like feels like he's drowning. 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:45.040 And I've I've never wanted to use this platform for like fundraisers and things like that. 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:47.920 And and Rob has known about this situation for a very long time. 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:56.240 I've been talking to Rob about this, and when I put this fundraiser together for the guy at work, I just kind of said to Rob, I was like, Rob, I have like the winter is here. 00:06:56.480 --> 00:06:57.360 The winter's here. 00:06:57.439 --> 00:07:06.480 Like, I I went I woke up and went to work the other morning, and it was 32 degrees in New York, and I'm like, this has space heaters in every room in his house. 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:09.680 Like, that is the like

leading cause of home fires. 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:15.439 He doesn't have hot water in his home for his kids to take a freaking bath at the end of the day. 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:21.519 And I just finally just said to Rob, I said, I think I'm going to put a fundraiser together for my brother. 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:29.279 I put a fundraiser together and I kind of just guessed because I I had to do a uh uh my burner went and I did a gas conversion, it cost 10 grand. 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:36.079 So I put a fundraiser together for yeah, and he has three little kids also, um, all under the age of 12. 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:38.240 Like he's got little kids. 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:46.399 Um, so I um I I I had to do my my burner a couple of years back and it was 10 grand. 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:49.040 So I put the fundraiser up and I just put 10 grand in. 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:53.759 And I did this yesterday afternoon, and I'm like, okay, maybe this will take a week or two and we'll get there. 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:55.199 You know, we'll mention it on the show. 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:58.639 I went to bed last night and it hit 10,000 while I went to bed last night. 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:02.480 So I woke up this morning and it was it's it's actually at 11 now. 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:03.600 11 too. 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:09.199 Yeah, my brother still has no idea I'm doing this, and he doesn't watch the show, so I'm not worried about him seeing this. 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:18.160 Um, so I uh he worked late tonight, and I had a guy from the HVAC guy come and meet me at his house. 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:24.399 And we knocked I knocked on his door, his wife, his wife answers the door, and I was just like, Oh, I just had my friend come and look at the burner real quick. 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:27.040 He might, you know, to see if he could fix it or something. 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:29.600 The estimates for$18,000. 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:36.080 Man, that's$18,000. 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:41.679 So I'm uh so I I I might have to raise the the the the number on the fundraiser. 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:49.360 Um, but I'm also getting other estimates because the the company I picked was a big company, and big companies throw big numbers at you. 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:51.120 So I call three other places. 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:54.399 I'm getting I'm getting three other estimates on this. 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:57.120 I do have uh my like my uncle. 00:08:57.200 --> 00:08:58.000 I work for my uncle. 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:00.639 I know if that's if like we're short or grand or two or something. 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:03.600 I know if I go to him and tell him he'll he'll foot the rest of it. 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:07.519 But if you guys haven't had a chance, no, this is not for the boat. 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:11.840 I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever ask for money for my boat repair. 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:14.080 I probably got that fixed, by the way. 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:16.080 I would never ever do that. 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:19.360 Um, the thing is, I was thinking, like, all right, we got 11 grand. 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:24.399 If it comes to nine, what I'll do is I'll either I'll fill the oil tank for him, right? 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:29.360 Like, we'll fill it with oil, and maybe we could put something towards the a car. 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:35.600 Because I don't know what heating oil costs for you guys is there, but a tank here is like seven, eight hundred bucks, right? 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:36.559 Yeah, to fill the tank. 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:39.759 It's not it's like three bucks a gallon, it's a 300 gallon tank, it's like 900 bucks. 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:42.960 So I figured if there was anything left over, we would just fill the tank with that. 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:54.080 Um, or if there's more than that, if we could you could just sell the boat for if it came to that, I would do that for him. 00:09:55.200 --> 00:10:00.080 Um the what I just want to I want to help him. 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:08.639 Like, this is not this is not just some um we're all worried about like what we could donate to today because you don't know what the church is giving money to. 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:16.639 Like, when I tell you when like I cannot wait to film telling him that I'm that we're getting this done for him. 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:23.440 My brother is going to weep with joy because this has been you guys have never seen in a body weep. 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:25.840 Yeah, it's it's a lot. 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:27.600 So Rob's gonna throw the link up. 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:33.120 Uh, like we're I'm probably about 6,000 down, even though it says I hit my goal, we're we're a ways off from right now. 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:34.240 We're at 11,000. 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:36.799 We'll just say right now the goal's 18,000. 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:38.159 So we'll just say it's that. 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:42.080 If it's a little short, I'll I'll go to my uncle and I'll ask him to cover it. 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:52.240 If there's extra, if if I wind up getting a second price and they tell me 15 or something, whatever's left is going to go towards like a beater car for him to get to where like I'm not keeping a dollar of this. 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:56.080 I would never ever ask you guys for money and then scam it somehow. 00:10:56.240 --> 00:11:03.279 Like, I'm so like I'm I do not play games with money, I will never face God for stealing, ever, ever. 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:08.320 Like, you could ask Rob how I am with money, like, I do not ever play games with that stuff. 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:13.600 It's like if if something like if Rob has an expense that I that I didn't have, I'm like, dude, we'll split it. 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:17.440 Like, we always are honest with one another with money. 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:21.840 I don't ask you guys for something that is out of line ever. 00:11:22.080 -->

00:11:26.960 And my brother means the world to me, and I want to really try and help this kid. 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:32.399 So if you guys could find it in your hearts to give a little bit, I would appreciate it. 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:34.799 And I will give you guys an update and I will film it. 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:42.480 So uh now to the subject at hand, and the link is in both the live chat and the description for anyone. 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:45.200 Um, to to the subject at hand. 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:51.039 Um, if you guys come on pilgrimage, you'll be able to see an a body weep in person. 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:54.080 Uh I was I was shocked by the price. 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:54.960 I'm gonna be honest. 00:11:55.120 --> 00:12:02.240 Like, I really was when the guy told me 18, I was like, Oh my goodness, like, oh man, it was probably getting kicked in the stomach. 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:10.320 And because I I was like hoping the guy would tell me whether it was within that range, and my brother, I was gonna be able to like talk to my brother today about it. 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:13.200 And and I'm just I was like so sad when that happened. 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:15.360 So we're gonna see what we could do. 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:21.919 Like I said, if if if I don't hit the goal, there is somewhere I can go where I can ask somebody to kick in the rest. 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:24.960 I'll throw in money myself, whatever we have to do, we're gonna get it done. 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:35.679 But to everybody that donated, like, there are some people that donated a thousand dollars, more than one person donated a thousand dollars and they did it anonymously. 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:46.720 Like, when you talk about building treasure in heaven, I'm like I'm there first off, every one of you, like I want you to put your names in it, especially if you watch the show or you know me on Twitter. 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:50.159 Like, I want you to put your names in it because I want to thank you. 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:58.559 Like, but those but some of those people that did something like that, um, I was just like, holy cow, man, for somebody to throw a thousand in and just do it anonymously. 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:00.879 It's it's really unbelievable. 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:03.919 So, thank you all to anybody that did donate to this. 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:12.720 It's really uh they're going to be buying and installing a new boiler, brand new boiler, and new oil tanks, oil tanks leaking, like the whole thing is destroyed. 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:17.919 This is just the HVAC stuff, let alone damage to the rest of the house. 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:23.120 Well, that's the thing, his entire basement was flooded, and the first floor, like four inches with flood. 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:25.360 So people were saying, like, why can't the family come together? 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:32.320 Like, we have we had to look, he didn't like he the insurance covered none of it because it was a natural disaster. 00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:33.360 They didn't cover a dollar. 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:39.200 Yeah, New York was supposed to put like FEMA was gonna put a program together for New Yorkers that were affected by this. 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:41.519 Kathy Hokel canceled the program. 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:44.639 There was no way for him to like apply for anything, nothing. 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:47.919 His neighbor had$140,000 in damage done to his house. 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:51.120 His neighbor literally gutted his entire house and redid it. 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:55.200 We had to do everything we could by hand and we had to do the work ourselves and stuff. 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:58.879 Like, we we believe me, we all hunt my whole family. 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:05.919 None of my family's wealthy, except like my uncle who I work for, but none of my like we all work construction, we're all barely making ends meet. 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:08.080 We all do the best we can to get by in this life. 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:12.879 It's like my parents aren't wealthy, my dad's on a fixed income, he's a retired construction worker. 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:15.759 So we do we have done everything we can. 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:23.200 I just asked for help, which I've I tried to really not do, and I try not to ever abuse this platform that God has given me. 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:27.120 So, all right, I apologize for this drawn-out family story. 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:31.600 In the last five minutes, they've just donated a thousand dollars. 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:33.360 I guys, thank you so much, man. 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:34.799 I appreciate all of you. 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:38.399 Um, okay, so now to to the topic at hand. 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:47.039 Um the I so I uh I consider Gavin a friend. 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:50.159 Um, and I'm gonna have twice. 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:51.840 Yeah, he's been on our show twice. 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:58.879 Um I we played a clip of him the other night, and I might have been like a little callous about the way I played it. 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:16.480 Um and there's always people that like watch things and go and rat you out and stuff, but like I I was just kind of using him to to kind of show like what what the older generation is like how they're reacting to this whole thing, this whole question of anti-Semitism and stuff. 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:21.120 So now Gavin had Scott Hahn on his show, and it was an amazing episode. 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:23.360 So if you guys haven't seen it, you should go watch it. 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:29.759 But at about the 50-minute mark, it felt like Gavin was shoehorning in the topic of anti-Semitism. 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:34.720 And I thought Scott Hahn handled it masterfully. 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:39.519 Uh, but it was very awkward the way Gavin pressed the issue. 00:15:39.919 --> 00:16:05.679 And I I wanted to go through the clips with you

guys because it just seemed very off to me, very awkward, and and even the way Scott replies to him, it's almost like he like Gavin goes to bring something up, and Scott doesn't actually engage what Gavin's saying, and Scott really brings it to what the what the actual issue is and what we've been talking about on this show for a very long time. 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:26.720 And when when I saw the title of that show, uh Gavin Ashenden, when I saw the title of that show, I was like very intrigued because I'm saying I have been watching and reading Scott Hahn for 20 years, and I learned all of my theology about the older brother from Scott Hahn. 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:41.360 And I'm saying, I it like I was really curious to see where he went with this because I couldn't imagine Scott just going in and ranting about anti-Semitism, like I just couldn't, because he's the one who kind of prepared me for the things that we're seeing right now. 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:46.080 So I think we should just start in with clip one, and you guys will kind of understand where I'm going with this. 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:49.200 First clip, first clip. 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:50.080 Let's go, let's play it. 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:56.720 And uh, we might be pausing from here from time to time because this is pretty heavy topics, and some of the clips are four minutes long. 00:16:56.799 --> 00:16:59.519 So the first clip is seven seconds. 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:01.120 Oh, is that the wrong clip then? 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:04.319 All right, or properly. 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:06.960 How long is the second clip? 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:08.559 320. 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:10.480 Hmm. 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:19.839 Because we're having a problem with um we usually do the clips through through Twitter, but that's not working right now, so we're having to do it. 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:25.519 Oh, you know what? 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:28.720 It was it is, it was totally weird. 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:29.119 Yeah. 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:30.720 Okay, okay, good. 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:38.480 Then okay, so yeah, so use like Twitter, the way they change their DMs is screwing up our whole show show uh chat. 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:41.599 So we have like a show chat on Twitter and it's not working out. 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:42.880 So we're gonna do it through Telegram. 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:44.160 So we gotta start from there. 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:46.400 So all right, make sure you rewind it. 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:54.160 I did, I just gotta make sure the volume's up but but not rejected, if one might might say it. 00:17:54.799 --> 00:18:03.920 It was gonna graft in now in the um anti-Semitism, it's always seemed to me is is uh is a phenomenon of of demonic toxicity. 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:07.039 I suppose that's might be the best way of describing the way I see it. 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:20.720 And again, I don't want to put words or concepts into your mouth, but it it seems to me we're struggling with, if you like, uh issues of demonic hatred and and theological frameworks that could and should act as antidotes to them. 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:25.519 And I wondered if you could offer either anything that you you see in St. 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:40.960 Paul or the Magisterium uh as a form of theological antidote to this idea that we can we can so begin to separate ourselves from the Jews that we're entitled to despise them or uh accuse them of things. 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:54.400 I was one of your a great American comedian, um Islam said that that you know nothing nothing good ever comes from putting two words in the English language together, and it's the words of the and Jews. 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:57.519 Dave Chantel, that's too much it wasn't. 00:18:58.000 --> 00:18:59.920 Okay, I was gonna say we gotta stop that. 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:01.200 We gotta stop there. 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:11.279 Okay, so so what was really interesting about this was we did the show the day before where we discussed Scott Hahn at Steubenville, and then we played the Gavin clip. 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:22.640 And the next day, Gavin had an interview with Scott Hahn, and and Scott Hahn doesn't just do interviews on the fly, so I'm pretty sure they had the the ask us how he knows that. 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:25.279 Oh, yes. 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:37.759 No, but I know I know people that know Scott Hahn, and it's like he's booked out for a while, so but I do think Gavin saw our show the night before and decided to shoehorn this topic in because of it. 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:46.640 And the nervousness with which he's asking this question and the Dave Chantel instead of Dave Chappelle is is awkward, right? 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:49.039 Like you can see, he's very nervous as he's talking about this. 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:51.359 Now, you know, Gavin has never seen Dave Chappelle. 00:19:51.440 --> 00:19:55.279 Where Gavin is getting that quote from is the is the Rodre article. 00:19:55.440 --> 00:20:02.400 Yes, because Gavin, you would be so terribly offended if you watched Dave Chappelle. 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:04.000 Yeah. 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:13.599 Like so Gavin is getting that, he's getting that from the Rodre article, which is what we discussed on our show the night before. 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:23.599 And it what we were trying to do in that show is just like the generational divide on this issue that they just they don't grasp how the severity of it. 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:28.000 So I wanted to play that clip just to show how nervous Gavin is even setting this up. 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:30.480 But let's continue, let's see where this one ends. 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:35.119 And then the next one is actually Scott's response to it. 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:47.519 Catholic Jamie's not doing great. 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:50.640 It's taking it so long. 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:52.319 Oh, did I not play it? 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:55.359 Oh I'm

like, what is going on here? 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:57.200 I was I was playing it and listening to it. 00:20:57.279 --> 00:20:58.319 I didn't realize it wasn't a channel. 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:01.200 Catholic Jamie's listening to a show all on his own. 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:04.559 I'm this is I'm not liking this setup. 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:04.960 Hold on. 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:05.680 The telegram. 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:07.519 Well, you gotta add it to the screen, first off. 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:08.400 It's not added. 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:09.359 Yeah, I know, I know. 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:10.319 I'm finding the right spot. 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:11.200 Sorry guys. 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:13.200 Yeah, speaking of boomers, I know. 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:14.559 Yeah, yeah. 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:16.880 Nick would have played it faster, yeah. 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:18.640 He too wasn't too busy. 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:19.920 Never mind. 00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:22.240 There's two words together. 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:29.039 But with that that in mind, can I can I ask you to to take us on a theological journey in terms of beginning with St. 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:29.680 Paul? 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:34.319 Okay, so okay, so now I the I cut it there, and then the next clip is Scott's response. 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:38.480 So now now what he's asking him about is Romans 9 through 11. 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:40.480 Okay, now Scott Hahn on the St. 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:50.799 Paul Center website has a four-hour presentation that he's speak where he's speaking to priests about Romans 9, 10, and 11. 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:55.200 Okay, it is the most controversial of Saint Paul's uh letters. 00:21:55.359 --> 00:22:01.200 This one, these three chapters where he gets into all Israel will be saved. 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:04.400 Now, I have listened to these talks several times. 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:11.119 This is not lightweight theology, it is very deep, where he's talking about when Paul says, Will all Israel be saved? 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:13.039 Is he talking about ethnic Israel? 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:15.119 Is he talking about spiritual Israel? 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:35.039 He's actually kind of talking about both, but the reason he's talking about both is because the northern kingdom is split in the old testament, where the 10 northern tribes break off, and those 10 northern tribes get dispersed throughout the nations, and they get mixed in with the gentiles so much that the ethnic Israel that is dispersed through the nations become Gentiles. 00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:41.119 So when the new covenant begins by the Gentile nations converting, all Israel is saved. 00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:45.440 Ethnic Israel, the remnant that is preserved amongst the nations. 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:54.319 Okay, so that is what Saint Paul is talking about that the 12 tribes of Israel are reunited by the new covenant going out to the nations. 00:22:54.559 --> 00:23:07.359 So it's a very, I mean, I'm summing up four hours of talk into a very, you know, I honestly would not have been surprised if this had turned into Anthony Abati's four-hour summary of Scott Hahn's four-hour talk. 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:09.200 Yeah, later on through 11. 00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:12.960 I'm trying to, I'm trying to summarize a very dense topic into Thursday. 00:23:13.279 --> 00:23:21.680 We did three hours on uh on Daniel's based on Han's three-hour job. 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:24.480 Yes, but I think we did it more exciting. 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:34.240 Um, but it's it's it's one of those talks where when I heard it the first time, like my mind was so blown because you hear all the time, yeah. 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:36.559 What do you think that video was about the other day, guys? 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:39.039 That was trying to convince everyone. 00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:43.279 You hear all the time the Protestants talking about like, where's the lost tribes of Israel? 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:44.079 Are they in Africa? 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:44.640 Are they here? 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:45.039 Are they there? 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:48.400 It's like, no, they were they were dispersed throughout the nation. 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:53.039 So that well, unless you're Joseph Smith and you think that the lost one is here in America. 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:55.839 That's but that's how crazy it gets amongst Protestants, right? 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:57.759 So, all right, so now let's jump to the next video. 00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:11.119 And the next video is Scott's response to Gavin asking him to unpack Romans 9, 10, and 11 and address the issue of anti-Semitism because Gavin feels that the um that there's this rising hatred for Jews, right? 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:13.599 So let's let's see what uh Scott says. 00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:20.880 And I kind of I kind of clipped a little bit because Scott kind of goes into explaining all the books and talks he's done on this topic, and then I kind of try to get to the substance of what he says. 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:22.319 I don't know why it's so small. 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:23.599 I mean, I got it. 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:24.720 Don't worry. 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:46.400 What demonic in its inspiration, we've also got to be very careful about labeling people anti-Semites, because on the other side of the spectrum, we have to recognize that to be a Catholic Christian, to be a New Testament Christian, does not in any way cause you to embrace Zionism as the fulfillment of prophecy. 00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:54.319 And so if somebody speaks out against a Zionist political agenda, uh, with whatever consequences. 00:24:54.799 --> 00:25:06.240 Now I want you to so okay, so what what's what I clipped out I should have left in was Scott saying to Gavin, affirming Gavin, in that there is no place for us to have anti-Semitism, like St. 00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:06.720 St. 00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:10.079

Pope Pius XI said, we are all spiritually Semites, right? 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:24.079 Anti-Semitism in the actual sense of believing the Jewish people are less human, less dignified, yeah, or like actual hatred for somebody based on you know that like that's what he means by anti-Semitism. 00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:43.440 But he almost doesn't entertain what Gavin says, and he says, But I want to get to the more important point that we can't just be labeling somebody anti-Semitic if they're criticizing Zionism, because as a Catholic, there's no justification to support Zionism as a fulfillment of any kind of wait, you could put that part out. 00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:45.519 No, no, no, he said, okay. 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:47.359 So you can back up a little bit if you want. 00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:56.720 I just wanted to give like the preamble that he was saying because he does say like there's no place for anti-Semitism, and I don't want to seem like I'm I'm editing without giving context. 00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:10.720 But what but also watch how Gavin jumps in as Scott is saying this, as like Gavin jumps in very nervously as Scott is saying this stuff, and that's kind of what threw me off on this. 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:15.599 Back to Gaza or missile strikes and so on and so forth. 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:20.880 I'm just really cautious about even taking one step into the political arena. 00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:23.279 Uh, because I add one extra area. 00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:24.799 I mean, thank you so much for saying that. 00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:27.920 I think it was absolutely essential to be said, and you've said it. 00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:55.759 There's another step which which you may not have come across, but I've been really surprised at, and that is the the area of Catholic Holocaust denial, where the notion comes that uh the figures are exaggerated, the the deaths are exaggerated, but they're exaggerated by quote the Jews themselves in order to ratchet up sympathy for Zionism. 00:26:55.920 --> 00:27:09.599 And and and that, and added to this, and then this is insidious argument from silence, that the Talmud has been filled with Gavin is about to defend the Talmud. 00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:14.160 And I don't understand this. 00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:25.039 I I yeah I don't either because the Talmud enters Judaism or long after like Christianity existed. 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:29.440 Like what there is no reason to defend the Talmud from a Christian perspective. 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:31.519 It's a strange thing that he's doing here, right? 00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:41.039 And he's saying people that even question the narrative of the Holocaust, they eat and they say that the numbers were inflated by the Jews to justify Zionism. 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:46.400 Like I don't I don't know, man. 00:27:46.480 --> 00:28:01.839 I I think that you have to take into account the amount of narratives that have collapsed over the past several years, specifically,

especially after everybody dealing with COVID, where they fed us a narrative and we all saw it was complete nonsense. 00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:04.319 Then you start going back and you say, What else did they lie to me about? 00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:15.279 So people start questioning the 9-11 narrative, and you see that the 9-11 narrative was very much used as a as a as a way to get us into war, right? 00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:19.039 So you're like, Okay, well, these narratives are clearly being used to justify things. 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:23.599 So, yes, people are starting to say, Okay, wait, what else did they lie to us about? 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:26.960 Now, this is not evil. 00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:35.039 I'm sorry, like to to label people as evil for being for honest inquiry into things is just wrong. 00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:57.119 And why is this the only area of history that that like we can't have a discussion on, you know, like like people have a discussion whether Genghis Khan was was evil or not, or whether what he did actually helped Europe and in Asia, or or or or how many women he raped because 34% of the world population is somehow related to him by DNA. 00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:58.559 And no, I'm just I don't know their action. 00:28:58.799 --> 00:28:59.599 No, no, you're right though. 00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:09.599 I mean, every we can have a discussion from either side on any topic in all of history, except for this one for some reason. 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:24.799 And my my point on that is the people that are making that accusation that Gavin is right now are actually hurting the argument on their part because you're you're making it seem like there's something there that we're not allowed to look into. 00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:28.559 That's and and that's a danger that that you guys are getting into. 00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:40.480 So um, so now he goes if the evidence is so overwhelming, then then it should be an easy argument to actually have in discussion and improve your argument. 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:49.519 Well, when you just shut down the conversation and don't allow any discussion on it, it it comes off as why why are you doing that? 00:29:49.920 --> 00:30:05.519 So now look, like I because it's difficult for us to do shows like this where you know we're putting Gavin and Scott Hahn in the thumbnail, and people are just going to think we're doing gossip, but this is a Very serious topic, and I'm kind of caught in between these two generations, and I respect a lot of these people. 00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:10.640 Like, I genuinely like Gavin, and I would love to have him on to have a conversation on this topic. 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:19.920 One of our funnest conversations on this whole show was talking with Gavin about how we smuggled Bibles through the KGB. 00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:31.279 Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's it's just we're when I've been telling you guys that for the past year I've been saying to you guys this is going

to be the divide in the church. 00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:36.319 We're talking about losing friendships here because we take a different opinion on this topic. 00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:38.000 Like, this is where the divide is. 00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:41.440 I'm telling you guys, and it's going to get more and more stark. 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:52.640 We're going to after we play these clips, we're going to get into a tweet that Joshua Charles put out of Benjamin Netanyahu referring to Rome and the next war with Rome that they're going to win. 00:30:53.039 --> 00:31:00.400 We're also going to play a clip of him saying how he thinks America is the new Rome, which is something I've been saying for a very long time. 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:08.240 Um, and it's just you're going to see this issue is going to become more and more prominent, and this is going to be the divide in the church. 00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:14.559 It is not going to be so much over liturgy and things like that, it's going to be on this issue, and this issue has to be understood properly. 00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:18.559 And I think that Scott Hahn handled this entire conversation properly. 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:41.680 And I'm just telling you guys, from sitting at this man's feet for this as many years as I have, I don't, I've never had a conversation with him, but I can tell you that from the things I've learned from him, he would say that because Israel was the woman that was the whore in the uh of Babylon in the first century. 00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:45.839 Typologically, it will map up that they will be the whore in the second coming. 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.240 Like it's just typologically how it is fulfilled. 00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:50.160 I know how Scott's brain works. 00:31:50.400 --> 00:32:00.319 I'm he probably would never say that, but I can tell you he was very cautious in this conversation not to say what Gavin was trying to lead him to say. 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:05.920 Gavin kept trying to lead him to say things, and Scott refused to go where Gavin wanted him to. 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:12.640 So we'll finish up with Gavin getting into the Talmud stuff, where he explains this Holocaust denial, then he defends the Talmud. 00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:14.880 Just watch how Scott reacts. 00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:15.920 Okay. 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.039 And and and and just understand that this is not me saying it. 00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:37.039 This is not, I'm telling you, watch how Scott reacts and kind of just diffuses what Gavin just said to get into what he sees as a more a bigger danger than anti-Semitism or people like what Scott sees as a bigger danger than what Gavin is bringing up because Gavin sees anti-Semitism as the biggest danger. 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:45.200 And what you're gonna hear is Scott tell you, no, actually, the bigger danger is Zionism and thinking that there's a bi-covenantal theology. 00:32:45.359 --> 00:33:07.039 Okay, so let's and I I haven't seen all the

all the clips or all this, but I I imagine like theologically, you're right, that that is the the bigger danger, the bigger danger in theology is ultimately more important than some questions about a uh you know a historical event. 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:08.880 Theology can be dogmatic. 00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:12.880 Listen to me, we have to faith that a historical event will never be dogmatic. 00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:18.880 When I tell you how I'm I want to like, I'm gonna lead you guys into where this is going to go. 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:27.119 Like, Scott gets into the the the claims that that John Paul II says about the covenant is irrevocable. 00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:35.599 Scott talks about, yeah, if you're in the old covenant and you have not accepted Christ, you are in a burning house. 00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.079 He gets into Gavin then tries to. 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:50.160 Um we're gonna go through all of it, but Gavin then tries to lead him um to to say, like, how he has such a deep reverence for for the Jews because of the old because of the what the gifts they've given to the church. 00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:57.839 And and Scott says, no, no, no, there's a disconnect between the modern Judaism and and the people and the old covenant. 00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:01.839 There's a disconnect there, and he relates the synagogue to Protestantism. 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:19.920 Like, there's so much in this, I'm telling you guys, if you really actually listen to what Scott says, and look, Scott is the is going to be super cordial in the things he says, and he's going, of course, agree with Gavin that yes, these are a danger, but I'm trying to I'm trying to subtly show you what the real danger is here. 00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:29.760 So you want me to play, or you want to talk about it? 00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:30.400 Yeah, yeah, go ahead. 00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:35.360 Okay, we'll read this anti-Christian vitriol, sorry, anti-Christ vitriol. 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:47.039 And if only you knew it, you would know that the the rabbinic Judaism has filled the secret books which you've never read with this this horrible, blasphemous anti-Christ stuff. 00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:52.400 And so they are still, therefore, the antichrist blasphemers, and we must react to them accordingly. 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:55.119 This is the kind of dark end that that's been. 00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:59.119 How is that the dark end when it's the literal truth, though? 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.320 Anyway, beginning to emerge uh out of Catholic theology. 00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:08.559 And so um thank you, first of all, for saying what you said about Zionism. 00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:09.920 That has to be said. 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:22.480 But it seems to me that that that in the way I've described it, which I which is accurate, there is another insidious end too, which has which uh feeds off Holocaust denial and misrepresentation. 00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:36.639 It turns out these Talmudic texts are not at all what they've said, but they are, in fact, rather fringe cul-de-sacs of theological ambiguity that have been blown up by the anti-Semites in order to uh almost like the blood libel myth. 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:44.079 They're eating your children again, only it's uh it's a kind of an in an ideological exaggeration rather than a than a social one. 00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:46.000 But it but the intention is the same. 00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:56.400 Yeah, so I must admit to being almost entirely and blissfully ignorant of much of what you have just uh rightly identified as highly problematic. 00:35:57.039 --> 00:36:07.039 Um other thing Gavin goes through this whole diatribe about the like Holocaust denial, and then he defends the town, and Scott goes, Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. 00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:09.039 That's literally what Scott on just said. 00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:10.719 He went, Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. 00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:16.639 But let me tell you about what's more important, and he's about to tell you what's more important than all the stuff Gavin just said. 00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:47.519 To me, his response is is one of two things it's either him in the most politest way possible telling Gavin purposefully, like what you what you brought up really is whatever, it's it's you know, it's not a problem, really, or he's he really is ignorant of it, which shows that it's really not a widespread problem because he's completely ignorant of it, because he's not on Twitter, because Scott's not on Twitter, but I don't think he's ignorant of it. 00:36:47.679 --> 00:37:01.280 I think Scott is deflecting answering, like engaging in this, and I want you to go back a couple of seconds to to really see what Scott does here because he he goes, Well, you've rightly identified because Scott is going to be cordial with with Gavin and Gavin. 00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:49.119 Like, if you do come across this and you watch this, like, understand I'm not attacking you in any way, I'm trying to show you, like, because you you revere Scott Hahn as as I do, and I'm telling you what I've learned at this man's feet, and that's kind of the thing we've been talking about on this show, is is that this is that we are coming up on something that is very important, and Catholics need to understand the proper perspective on this, and never does that involve hatred of Jewish people because they are Jewish, never, but you do need to understand the the the deception that is going to come upon us, and when you see Catholics supporting Zionism, that is a deception, and they are going to try and trick look, it's going to be the Jews accept the Antichrist, and it's going to be droves of heretics. 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:53.280 You cannot be unaware of the dangers of this situation. 00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:57.840 So back up a tiny bit just to see how Scott's kind of just like, yeah, I don't know what you're talking about.

00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:08.400 Blissfully ignorant of much of what you have just uh rightly identified as highly problematic. 00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:23.360 Um, one other thing that which should we should identify on the spectrum too as really not a viable option for us as Catholics is a very popular position that goes under a a variety of labels, but I I know it as bicovenantalism. 00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:27.280 Okay, so just okay, so now this is what Scott Hahn is going to say. 00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:37.199 So Gavin goes through this whole diatribe about the the the dangers of Holocaust denial and and the dangers of of misrepresenting the the Talmud. 00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:39.760 And Scott's like, yeah, uh that that's pretty bad. 00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:42.000 But can I tell you what's actually a danger? 00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:53.840 And that's actually the the idea that there's a bicovenantal way to salvation, and that the Jews can stay Jews and be saved because they're under the old covenant and Catholics, the Gentiles, are under a new covenant. 00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:55.119 That is the danger. 00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:56.320 That is the attitude. 00:38:56.880 --> 00:39:00.239 That is the danger to the the soul of every Jew, right? 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:06.079 I'm not, I'm not this is funny. 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:16.639 This is this is funny, but not actually, Gavin. 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.039 I'm a bit of an anti-sea mite myself. 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.559 No, that's at the end of the interview. 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:25.679 Scott just goes in, may Saint Simon of Trent pray for us. 00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:38.559 But the blood libel thing, like that sign, we had a saint in the canon, like this is not, you know, and it's look, I don't he he actually did not make it to conversation, but yeah. 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:43.840 Listen, listen, um the the thing is Scott's our guy. 00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:45.119 That's all I'm gonna tell you. 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:49.519 Scott's our guy, like the the Philos project ain't getting him. 00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:50.800 He's our guy, I'm telling you. 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.840 And I I had faith in him when I saw the title of this interview. 00:39:54.000 --> 00:40:03.039 I had faith that Scott Hahn was not going to give in to the pressure because I've been I've been his he's he's he's been a spiritual father to me. 00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:10.639 So, you know, I know he's a little soft on certain things we wish he would be a little hard, but I know he's right on his theology on this topic. 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:35.440 And there are again a wide spectrum of various shades of this particular view, but I would say that's exactly what Paul is not arguing in Romans 9 to 11. 00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:53.039 Um, and so to say that you know you can be saved by the old covenant, um, because the gifts and the calling of God are you're irrevocable, uh yeah, God does not revoke a covenant, uh, he fulfills it by becoming man, and that's the whole point. 00:40:53.199 --> 00:41:05.599 But if you're going to be in the old covenant apart from Christ, who bore the curses for the brokenness of the old covenant, it's like being in a big house, a stately mansion that's on fire. 00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:13.119 So if you're in the old covenant apart from Christ, you got because you don't want to get hold on. 00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:15.039 Well, I I gotta replay that real quick. 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:16.719 Yes, you need to replay that. 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:31.280 If you are in the old covenant and do not allow Christ to take upon him the curses of the old covenant for disobedience, you are in a mansion that is on fire, you are in a burning house. 00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:36.000 Like this is think think about listen to me. 00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:40.320 I'm not I'm not making some I'm not making a bigger thing of this than I think. 00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:49.920 Like Gavin, Gavin brings a topic that he wants Scott Hahn to agree with him on, and Scott brushes him off. 00:41:50.159 --> 00:42:06.639 Uh to give Gavin credit there, I think it was more he brought someone he in his mind truly thought definitely agreed with him on, and had no idea that anyone like Scott Hahn would disagree with him on this. 00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:24.159 And it but but I when I watched this interview, I was just like, Whoa, what and I think a lot of people would have watched this and not caught the subtlety of what happened there, like that because I I read the comments in Gavin's show, and it was like two brilliant minds talking. 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:28.239 I'm like, you you guys aren't people really aren't seeing what's happening here. 00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:37.840 That that Gavin's trying to talk about one thing, and Scott's like, No, no, no, there's something more important here that we have to discuss, and no one was even talking about it on Twitter until they all stole the clip I put out. 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:39.599 Yeah, right. 00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:42.480 But the funny thing is, nobody watched this interview. 00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:47.679 No, I no, I only nobody watched the I got that clip because you told me about it and I went to look for it. 00:42:47.840 --> 00:43:02.880 I called like 10 people and I'm like, you have to watch this interview, start it at 50 minutes, start it right because the whole first 50 minutes is very good stuff, but like the this stuff starts at about the 51 minute mark, and I was like, What am I watching right now? 00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:04.239 This is wild. 00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:05.679 So let's keep going. 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:15.039 Because and and the other clips I picked, when I tell you, like the the depth that Scott goes into with some of this stuff is unbelievable. 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:21.360 And that's the whole point. 00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:33.920 But if you're going to be in the old covenant apart from Christ, who bore the curses for the brokenness

of the old covenant, it's like being in a big house, a stately mansion that's on fire. 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:50.800 So if you're in the old covenant apart from Christ, you are in a crisis because you don't want to get out of the old into the new by simply abolishing the old, but by seeing how Christ in his own body died and he rose again. 00:43:50.960 --> 00:44:01.440 And so the transformative fulfillment by Christ of the old in the new is rightly characterized by the Greek term metamorphoshi, where we get metamorphosis. 00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:05.440 So, I mean, just to use a banal analogy, the butterfly. 00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:11.039 Okay, now um because I see people saying so much for not talking about the Jews again. 00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:13.360 Like, guys, I'm sorry, this is important. 00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:32.239 Like, this is this is this is huge, especially for people to see it coming from a guy like Scott Hahn because he doesn't it it's not coming from Nick Fuentes, it's not coming from Father Maudsley, it's coming from somebody very respected in in mainstream Catholicism that a lot of people have learned their Catholic faith from. 00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:34.079 Like, this stuff is very important. 00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:38.400 I'm not I'm not trying to troll and talk about the JQ and groyperism, none of that. 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.519 This is really much more of a theological issue. 00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:50.960 And if we do shows and talk about all the other changes in Catholic theology that have happened, you know, with Vatican II onward, this is one of them. 00:44:51.039 --> 00:45:06.559 And like, if those are all um you know, top or theological topics that need to be discussed within the church, then this definitely is too, and especially because this one has widespread geopolitical ramifications, yeah. 00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:08.320 That the church needs to get right. 00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:14.079 Well, the thing also is like people will write off Father Maudsley like he's a crazy anti-Semite. 00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:24.639 Like, I know Father Maudsley, I I I know that man has more charity than just about any priest I've ever seen. 00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:32.800 Like, I know when he's talking about things, he is not saying them to boost his he's not an e-priest trying to boost himself in the algorithm. 00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:37.360 He is literally laying on a cross and saying, I will die for the truth. 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.079 So you people could write him off, you could say whatever you want. 00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:44.400 I know that man is willing to sacrifice everything for the truth. 00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:48.639 So I'm sorry, Gavin, Gavin. 00:45:49.039 --> 00:46:01.599 Um, gav what what's sad is that I think I don't know this, um, but it seems like a lot of this stuff started coming out from Gavin when Father Maudley was on Catholic Unscripted. 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:06.719 I don't know if that's what happened, but it seems like that that's when he started pushing back on this stuff. 00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:23.920 When because when when they interviewed him, I think it was just Catherine interviewed him, but there was so much pushback on that channel that I feel like Gavin felt like he needed to go the other way, and and that's kind of where the like the the genesis of all this stuff is because ultimately Gavin is fighting for what he believes the truth to be, too. 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:24.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:27.679 He is a very principled individual as well. 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:32.800 Yeah, yeah, it's just it's just I think that we need to make sure we get this issue right. 00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:43.199 So that's why you know, like none of what I'm doing tonight is to roast Gavin, it's to address the ideas of what he's saying and and show that it's like this stuff is important. 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:53.199 Let's go to the next clip because you know there's there's some really important stuff in this interview that if you're if you're not if you if you're not paying attention, you kind of miss it and you think it's just a casual conversation. 00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:56.079 No, Scott is talking about some very important stuff here. 00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:05.360 But ask you um an emotional question rather than everything is theological in one sense. 00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:23.920 Um, in the conversations I've had with with traditional Catholics, who of course uh absolutely say they're not anti-Semitic, um uh when I say, well, what what what do you understand the purpose of Jews to be? 00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:29.199 Uh now that the Catholics pause this real quick because I I have to I have to set this up for a second. 00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:31.920 The answer is well, listen to what he's saying here. 00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:37.039 He is he is straw manning a trad position that is insane. 00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:46.800 Like he's saying that when I ask Trads what they think the purpose of the Jews is if they don't convert, well, they're rather useless. 00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:50.960 I have never heard anybody anything like that. 00:47:51.119 --> 00:48:36.880 The the very opposite, in fact, there is a very big purpose to the Jews, there's a very big purpose behind God keeping the Jews as a people, and and if you get into Augustine and Scott talks about this in the interview, I don't know if I recorded it, but Augustine, Aquinas, they all talk about how God preserved the Jewish people, and that's a testament to the Catholic Church because all of the other religions, like all the pagan religions, disappeared, but God preserves the people of the old covenant because one, they're a witness to the to the truth of the the biblical uh to the to the scriptures, but second, because they are still part of the divine plan, they still have a role in salvation history. 00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:44.320 It's not that they are saved under their covenant, it's

that there is a role for them to play in the end, in the eschaton. 00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:57.920 They are going to be, they are going to be adversarial to the Catholic Church, and then there will be a unification of the brothers, like we always talk about on this show. 00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:01.599 And they are a witness people to the truth of the scriptures. 00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:03.599 It's like it's it is see. 00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:05.840 Uh uh Pope Benedict talked about this. 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:20.559 Pope Benedict talked about how the fact that they are still a people, they are um that it is a witness to to God, like it's a witness to the to the to the truth of Catholicism, essentially, like the fact that they are still a people. 00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:43.760 So um, I I all right, we'll finish this clip out, but it's listen to the the straw man that he's making of Trads here that I really didn't like, and and I and I really am curious because there's something that's going on with Gavin that uh it's like he um it's like it's anti-semisodemonic, uh, and then within a month he's talking with Michael Matt on Trad Inc. 00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:45.360 And try like Trad Inc. 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:51.199 has to fight back, uh and then he's got Larry Chapp on, and then then he's interviewing Scott Hunt. 00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:54.079 Like, I feel like Gavin doesn't con he kind of doesn't know who he wants to be. 00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:57.920 Like, do you want to be the remnant with Michael Matt fighting for the TLM? 00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:05.440 Or do you want to be with Larry Chapp talking about the hermeneutic of continuity, or do you want to I don't I don't know what you're going for, Gavin? 00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:08.880 Like, and I and I want to give all charity to you. 00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:32.000 But I I don't know what what I don't know because from the from the outside it it seems like Gavin may fall to what others, whatever side is popular or wins, no, holds to his beliefs on Judaism and Zionism. 00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:40.719 Yeah, well, I know Michael Matt is very vocal about and he's very much on the same uh like looking at it from our perspective, yeah. 00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:46.400 Like Michael Matt is very much worried about Zionism, he's very much worried about what's happening in Israel. 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:51.360 So I'm curious because Gavin was like one of the headline speakers at the last remnant conference. 00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:55.920 So I'm just I don't know if Michael Matt's unaware of this stuff that's going on right now. 00:50:56.000 --> 00:51:01.440 I don't know, but I'm wondering if Gavin is unaware of where everyone falls on this issue. 00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:07.840 I think he might believe everyone is with him on this issue, and it's yeah, it's people aren't. 00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:11.119 It's a tricky one, and I yeah, I would I would like to talk to Michael Matt. 00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:13.679 Uh he just refuses

to acknowledge that I exist. 00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:16.079 He's like uh Candace Owen's husband. 00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:28.880 They just, you know, they know who I am and they just pretend ducking you, they know exactly who I am, they just pretend they don't, these bums. 00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:32.559 Um, no, I I would never say Gavin's doing it for money. 00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:33.679 No, nothing like that. 00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:35.840 I I I I don't know. 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:37.679 I can't I do not know the man's heart. 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:39.840 I'm just I know this is I know what's going on here, though. 00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:43.440 Listen to the straw man of the trap position, and then and then we'll kind of break it down. 00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:52.559 What do you understand the purpose of Jews to be uh now that the Catholic Church has become the new Israel and the fulfillment of everything? 00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:54.960 And the answer is, well, they must become Catholics. 00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:57.360 Well, of course, that's of course we want them to become Catholics. 00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:02.800 We we want them to to uh receive the blessings of the sacrifice of our Lord and Savior. 00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:09.599 And if they don't become Catholics, well, then comes reply, they're kind of useless or worse than useless. 00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:18.960 And and and there's a kind of theological contempt that I hear in this that I think borders on anti-Semitism. 00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:26.639 I find myself filled with an affection towards Jews and Judaism and um the precursor. 00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:32.320 I I I look upon the caterpillar with with a certain amount of gratitude and and joy, knowing. 00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:34.880 Okay, pause it, pause it because here what he says. 00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:41.119 I look upon the Jews with an affection as if they're the the precursor to us. 00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:43.519 And now listen to how Scott goes into this. 00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:48.800 Scott Scott talks about the discontinuity, he doesn't agree with Gavin. 00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:51.199 He he talks about no, there's actually a disconnect. 00:52:51.360 --> 00:53:13.599 Like the the modern Judaism is not that caterpillar, the caterpillar that becomes the butterfly are the apostles and our lady before the resurrection, like like that and and and and Abraham and Isaac, like that the that is the caterpillar. 00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:25.840 But what you have in modern Judaism is like uh uh living according to the flesh, you know, it's like it's like the it's like the law according to the flesh, as opposed to freedom in the spirit, like so. 00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:34.159 Scott gets into this, so he kind of listen to how Gavin sets it up, and then listen to how Scott kind of dismisses it the same way he does every other thing that Gavin brings up. 00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:45.119 Well, always the purpose of the caterpillar is always to give life to the butterfly, and and at no point does it become a matter of uh of denigrating it. 00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:57.679 Can you how would you answer someone who who, with a certain degree of barely repressed contempt in their voice, suggested there's no purpose for Jews unless that's what lawyers call leading the quote leading the witness? 00:53:58.000 --> 00:53:59.679 Leading the witness, leading the witness. 00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:04.079 What would you say to these people who barely have an ability to hide their contempt? 00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:08.320 Like, no, Kevin, like do you really think I have contempt for Jews, man? 00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:18.000 Like, come on, look at like I mean, I don't want to when you pause videos, you never know what face someone's gonna have, but look at Scott's face, yeah. 00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:20.320 Scott's face, like what are you what are you talking about, man? 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:27.360 Especially going after transits, it this was so hard for me to watch. 00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:29.920 They became Catholics. 00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:34.159 Well, I would say that is understandable, but just wrong-headed. 00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:39.599 Uh, you're you're you're doing the wrong thing, and you're trying to argue by right reasons. 00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:42.079 And I would point out you know a number of things. 00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:48.639 First and foremost, since you're asking me personally and emotionally, I have so many friends who are confident. 00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:49.920 I got black friends, yo. 00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:54.880 Scott, just I got black friends. 00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:56.800 I'm not a racist, bro. 00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:58.559 I got black friends. 00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:11.599 What they do in enriching the Catholic faith and enriching our understanding and appreciation, not only for the law and the prophets, but the rich heritage of their own Judaism is almost indescribable. 00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:22.000 But I would also point to um Paula Frederickson, who is a New Testament scholar who is herself, she is herself Jewish, but she has written a book on Saint Augustine. 00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:23.840 And you could write a similar book on St. 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:42.960 Thomas Aquinas, because both Augustine and Aquinas uh really cherish the fact that God has preserved Judaism in a way that you don't find Samaritanism, for example, in northern Israel, that it has a prophetic value. 00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:50.800 Um, now I'm not convinced at all that this is what would lead Paula Fredericks and say, you know, therefore I'm an Augustinian Christian. 00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:51.440 Of course not. 00:55:51.599 --> 00:56:12.159 I mean, she is a practicing Jew, but she recognizes in Augustine, and especially in Contra Faustum, but other works as well, uh, that when you become a Catholic like Augustine did, you end up valuing, treasuring the heritage of Judaism more, not less. 00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:20.320 Uh, it's

not going to say, you know, bring satisfaction to Orthodox Jews who say, okay, so Augustine didn't want to see Jews converted. 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:23.039 Of course he does, out of charity. 00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:31.280 Um and I would say a similar thing is going on in Aquinas, that the preservation of the Jews is a part of divine providence. 00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:33.280 It's a part of a merciful providence. 00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:36.800 It's also a sign that we could describe as prophetic. 00:56:37.039 --> 00:57:01.519 And so, you know, if if in the first century you already begin to see in Paul's own ministry among the Gentiles, the conversion of all Israel off Fort Eori, all the more are you going to await what the fathers would celebrate by anticipation, and that is the conversion that will bring in a great enrichment to the church at whatever point near the eschaton that God has appointed. 00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:03.280 Um you know. 00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:09.760 Um, okay, so the next clip I do, I did, he gets into the I so yeah, he's talking about. 00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:11.679 Well, first off, this is this is correct. 00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:19.360 So you could do a 30-day free trial, and you could, it's like a five-part series on all will all Ilgeriel be saved, and it's phenomenal. 00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:22.239 It's an old priest conference that Scott Hahn did. 00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:26.559 It's slow at times, it's worth sitting through the entire thing. 00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:30.960 Um, so the the next clip, um, and we will get to your comments. 00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:35.760 Rob's been starring a lot of a lot of the comments that are that we're gonna get to. 00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:55.280 Um, but the last clip is kind of where he gets into explaining the divergence of of the old the divergence of the like rabbinic Judaism, how it's how it's nothing like what happens like after the temple's destroyed. 00:57:55.519 --> 00:58:01.360 So uh, did he think he was gonna what did Gavin think he was gonna corner the goat on the Jews inscription? 00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:02.800 I don't I I don't know. 00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:15.679 I I don't know if Gavin understands this topic properly, which is kind of why I wanted to talk about this because I I I'm hoping because in a way it seemed like Gavin wasn't really listening to this to the things Scott was saying. 00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:21.599 He was waiting to just jump in to throw his next point in, and it's like, no, you have to actually listen to what Scott's saying here. 00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:24.880 This this stuff is he's getting to something very deep here. 00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:26.960 So let's play that last clip. 00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:30.079 And uh if you guys can please like and subscribe. 00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:54.639 But he points out that uh after 70 A.D., uh, Jerusalem, the temple, the priesthood, the cessation of all animal sacrifice, you have post-biblical Judaism taking on the form that we would call rabbinic Judaism or synagogue Judaism. 00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:56.639 And of course, we're familiar with that. 00:58:56.800 --> 00:59:19.119 And at the same time, we would say that Catholic Christianity is the full flowering or fulfillment of the old, that there is continuity from old to new, there is discontinuity, it's partly restorative, it's also tremendously transformed, it's transformative to adapt, you know, Hegel's term sublation. 00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:22.800 I use that in my article in this book from Sinai to Rome. 00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:26.400 Uh there really is uh a transformative fulfillment. 00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:41.199 But getting to the point, when you look at the old, the centerpiece of this is the presence of God in a sanctuary with a priest empowered to approach the altar to offer a sacrifice. 00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:46.880 And this presence, this priesthood, this liturgy, I think is central. 00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:54.400 It was in the Mosaic Tabernacle at Sinai, it was in the first temple of Solomon, it is in the second temple period as well. 00:59:54.639 --> 01:00:08.480 But when you move from the old to the new and you look at the transformative fulfillment that Christianity brings, you would compare this to rabbinic Judaism, uh, as Rabbi Baruch Levine does in passing. 01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:16.800 Because when you look at the Hebrew Bible, you don't find the term rabbi, you don't find the term synagogue. 01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:48.000 And so rabbinic Judaism, in a certain sense, represents continuity with the religion of ancient Israel, but also discontinuity, because you have not the presence of God, not the Shekinah glory, you don't have priests in the line of Levi anymore, you have rabbis in a synagogue taking a scroll and reading from the law and the prophets and proclaiming that in terms of what we might describe as a sermon, but none of that is really in the law and the prophets. 01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:54.480 Whereas Levine points out that in the Catholic Church, you have the belief in the divine presence. 01:00:54.559 --> 01:01:00.000 You also have a priesthood approaching an altar to offer a sacrifice. 01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:01.760 We call it the Mass. 01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:17.840 And so we believe that the old is fulfilled by the new as we move from the earthly Jerusalem to the heavenly Jerusalem, from a man-made temple, a temple made by hands to a temple not made by hands as the prophets themselves could foresee. 01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:26.559 And so I would say, yeah, there is a there is a transformation of biblical religion from the old to the new. 01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:40.159 But you know, when you look at rabbinic Judaism and synagogue liturgy, uh, and just parenthetically, this obviously becomes the blueprint for so much of what we would describe as Protestant worship, as Protestant liturgy. 01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:45.440 Um, you don't have the altar, you don't have the priest, you don't have the

sacrifice. 01:01:45.760 --> 01:02:08.639 But all of this, as I outline in my book, The Lamb's Supper, the Mass is Heaven and Earth, shows us that in the liturgy of the saints and the angels in the heavenly Jerusalem, the Amen, the Gloria, the Hallelujah, the Agnus Dei, uh, the holy, holy, holy, all of these things are being done on earth in the Mass as they are in heaven by the angels and saints, because there aren't two liturgies, theirs and ours. 01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:09.039 There aren't two. 01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:16.960 I must not collect only one in this earthly, but I'm what what he says, and I'm gonna urge everybody to go and watch from the 51-minute mark to the end of the show. 01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:38.239 What he talks about is how the Jews are living according to the law and the flesh, and they're trying and their refusal to accept God's mercy, like it's like a stubbornness, it's a stubbornness, it's not the the modern Jews are not the caterpillar that Gavin is referencing. 01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:39.199 They aren't. 01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:40.559 There's a total break. 01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:48.880 Like what goes on from the temple after the temple is destroyed is Phariseeism. 01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:52.559 It's the Pharisees, they're the ones who do develop rabbinic Judaism. 01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:55.760 And who is Jesus rebuking throughout the New Testament? 01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:59.360 He's rebuking the Pharisees because they're hardness of heart. 01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:03.440 They're they're living according to the letter of the law, but not the heart of the law. 01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:07.679 They're finding ways to get around the rules by saying, Well, technically, we followed it. 01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:18.480 And you see that on all these Shabbat lamps that they they think that you see on on Twitter all the time, where it's like, Well, I can't touch the electric, but we got this little flip and we flip it, and look, we tricked God. 01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:21.840 That is the the Judaism that goes on. 01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:24.000 It's like, and and that's also the Talmud. 01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:31.039 The Talmud is finding these ways to like it's like it's rabbis like arguing about how they can get around these these things. 01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:46.800 But the Talmud does talk about something important, which is after the after the resurrection, the it's like the the sh the there's like a rope that lights up at every time uh no, it's um so during Yom Kippur, right? 01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:47.840 The Day of Atonement, right? 01:03:48.000 --> 01:04:02.000 They would have a red string, and if God accepted the sacrifices in the temple for the sins of the you know of the people, that red string would be washed and turned would you know washed by God and turned white. 01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:08.719 The last time that happened ever was prior to Christ's crucifixion. 01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:12.800 Yeah, that that that day of atonement stopped working. 01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:36.719 And the Talmud said it stopped working approximately 40 years prior to the destruction of the temple in 70 AD, which means it it either stopped working, you know, it approximately you could say maybe it stopped in 33 AD, you know, prior to you know Christ's crucifixion, or maybe it was 40 years and stopped in 30 AD during the beginning of Christ's public ministry. 01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:40.719 That that they're not 100% sure on, but it it stopped. 01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:47.119 Yeah, because they didn't have the because they because they don't have they don't have the ark of the covenant during this time, right? 01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:57.599 But they still have this happening, so that like you still have the presence of God in the temple, and it's like okay, we don't have the ark of the covenant, but we still God is still with us, and then once Christ comes, that stops. 01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:02.079 Uh Roy Schumann talks about this in his book, uh Salvation is from the Jews. 01:05:02.239 --> 01:05:09.119 So um, but it's just it's it's it's the the interview is well worth listening to. 01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:12.400 I'm not I'm not trying to attack Gavin in any way. 01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:19.679 I just I hope that he actually picks up on the the subtleties of what Scott is talking about are the more important matters here. 01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:34.480 That all of this ranting and raving about anti-Semitism, it's like as Catholics, we have to have a proper understanding of this stuff because if your theology is off on this, you will get lured in because propaganda works really good, guys. 01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:41.679 Like we all fall for it, we all fall for propaganda, and it's very easy to get to fall into this idea that there's gonna be another Holocaust. 01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:45.280 Oh my goodness, I don't want to be on that side of it, I don't want to be the ones criticizing this stuff. 01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:57.920 When there's going to be things that happen soon that will need to be criticized, they will need to be spoken about, and we're going to have to speak about them without worrying that you're going to be called an anti-Semite. 01:05:58.239 --> 01:06:07.440 It's it's like if you're not willing to at least endure that accusation, what the hell are you going to do when they tell you to step on a picture of Christ's face? 01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:11.119 Like, if you're not even willing to go, oh my gosh, they call me an anti-Semite. 01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:12.559 Like, who cares what anybody says? 01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:17.599 I don't like I love Gavin, but if he accuses me of being a rad trad anti-Semite, like so be it. 01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:20.000 I I like I don't care. 01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:20.880 I don't care. 01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:21.519 I mean, I don't care. 01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:26.559 It's the the whole thing with the Heritage Foundation and the whole Shabbat dinner, you know?

01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:27.119 Yeah. 01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:28.239 The things like that. 01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:39.440 Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if that becomes more widespread, where you're where you're asked to show solidarity by going to Shabbat Shabbat dinners and Seder meals and and all these things. 01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:42.239 And you have to recognize as Catholics that we just cannot do that. 01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:47.440 We cannot acknowledge a false religion, and that's what modern Judaism is a false religion. 01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:50.159 Yeah, and look, this stuff has infected the church. 01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:55.039 I mean, this is this is what this is what is underlying the rot in the church. 01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:58.559 So when I say this is the divide in the church, this is where it all stems from. 01:06:58.719 --> 01:07:08.000 You go back to the council, and this is all about this, no straitate, and then bringing all these other religions in and all this stuff, it's all about this. 01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:19.280 Because as long as Catholicism is just one amongst many religions and not the one true church, then it's just hey, let's just all get a let's human fraternity this thing out. 01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:21.679 Let's human fraternity this thing out. 01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:22.559 What's the big deal? 01:07:22.719 --> 01:07:26.559 Oh, we just we just have to dialogue with our neighbor, it's not going to work. 01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:32.159 And the thing is, it's going to be it's there's going to be many Catholics that fall away. 01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:36.960 Like God, Jesus talks about when I return, will there be faith left on earth? 01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:40.000 We know there's going to be a great apostasy. 01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:43.199 It is going to be over this issue, guys. 01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:46.639 I I I don't know. 01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:53.440 Sometimes I get like these weird insights and feelings, and I just they're they're this is just one of them. 01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:56.079 Like this is going to be the thing. 01:07:56.480 --> 01:07:58.320 So I wanna go over it. 01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:04.079 It could be a thing that actually potentially brings in a lot of Protestants, though, too, right? 01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:17.600 Because there are Protestants that do recognize um you know the the the difference and that do recognize the fulfillment of the the old covenant in the new, right? 01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:29.199 And and how long before they do realize that that the Protestant denial of the the Catholic priesthood is no different than the the rabbinical Judaism denial of of of the priesthood of Christ. 01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:30.720 Yeah, yeah. 01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:38.880 Um, okay, so I want to do I look, I so there's too much to do here to do locals tonight, but I think this is too important to not talk about on here. 01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:43.119 But I think we should do Recucent, and then I want to get

into Joshua Charles's tweet. 01:08:43.439 --> 01:09:03.439 And what I'm gonna tell you is that what Josh because I talk to Josh and I spend hours together speaking, and we're I don't I'm never gonna put words in his mouth, but the people that I respect the most in this in in theology and in this department, they're on they're all saying the same thing. 01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:06.000 I am and Josh. 01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:09.039 I mean, I'm I'm whatever. 01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:11.920 We're gonna read his tweet, we'll go through it, and I'll try to just stick to what he says. 01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:14.479 Probably watch the video first, then read the tweet in one minute. 01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:16.399 Yeah, but so let's let's do Recucent sellers. 01:09:16.479 --> 01:09:17.359 Maybe we'll do so, guys. 01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:22.640 We're not gonna do locals tonight, we're gonna do this tonight because this is a good one and it's and it needs to be talked about. 01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:24.720 We'll do Requisant, then we'll look at super chats. 01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:31.680 We'll do so well, let's do super chats first, finish off this whole topic, do requisite, and then then move forward. 01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:33.920 Yeah, so I mean, this is all one topic, though. 01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:39.520 Like when we get it, it's it is all one topic, and it's all so, but yeah, let's do super chats real quick. 01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:43.520 So, um, some of them I have started are not super chats, but we'll still go through them. 01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:47.039 So this shows the power of worldview. 01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:56.079 Gavin never suspected Han wasn't going to vociferously agree with him and then and then defend Zionism using complex theology, which is what Gavin wanted him to do. 01:09:56.319 --> 01:09:57.840 I think that's a hundred percent accurate. 01:09:57.920 --> 01:10:08.880 Like, like Gavin led the question and thought Scott would back him up with some deep insights, and Scott kind of just was like, Look, the deeper problem here is this. 01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:12.159 Yeah, uh, this uh this is similar. 01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:15.920 The boomer minds can simply not understand these things. 01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:20.479 The world they live their lives is in is so far is so far away from where it is now. 01:10:20.720 --> 01:10:21.520 That's a good point. 01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:28.000 And like, I think I think I think you have to grant a little bit of charity to a lot of a lot of the older generation because of that. 01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:38.640 So it's it's the same reason why they still say things like you, you know, if you want a house, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, and all that stuff. 01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:42.159 The the world they grew up in is just gone, they don't realize it. 01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:45.600 It's not that it's just gone, it's kind of like built the chaos we're in now. 01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:50.079 Like that that kind of mentality

is just like suck it up and just do what you're supposed to do. 01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:53.600 And it's like, look at the world crumbling around you, just suck it up and go about. 01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:58.399 It's like it's it's it's just falling apart. 01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:06.560 Uh Han did the exact same thing with Christopher West when he tried to get Han to agree with his cockamine ideas on weird sexual biblical interpretations. 01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:09.760 I didn't see that, but I would assume that's probably accurate. 01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:12.560 Um, let's see here. 01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:14.720 So we read the one about going to the St. 01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:16.640 Paul's under Digital Library. 01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:18.000 Here's a good one. 01:11:18.319 --> 01:11:25.920 So many Catholics hear only enough to hear that the Jews are our older brothers, not nearly enough here that this is a brotherhood like that of Cain and Abel. 01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:28.079 So we talk about that a lot on this on this show. 01:11:28.159 --> 01:11:35.680 And the Jews actually got upset eventually when they caught on to what the church was doing by saying you're our elder brothers. 01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:41.680 So, like they were all for it in the beginning, and then they went, Hey, wait a minute, we know what you mean by that. 01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:47.760 So, like there's a little bit of friction uh on that topic now, and they they're not crazy about that anymore. 01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:52.079 So, uh, there are four main enemies of the world: Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and Jews. 01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:59.039 We are Catholics, we never bow to anyone except our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and our blessed Virgin Mother, our co-redemtrics. 01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:01.840 So that's it for super chats. 01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:05.279 Um, so let's do Requisent real quick. 01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:08.560 Um, Reckusyncellars.com. 01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:12.319 Use code based at checkout for 10% off in honor of Christ the King. 01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:16.319 So uh Reckuson Sellers is a winery, they are in Idaho. 01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:20.960 They are they're in Washington State, they're in Washington State, but they're close to Idaho, right next to it. 01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:22.239 They are, they are, man. 01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:31.439 Some of our listeners from Idol have got have gone to the winery, to the vineyard, and love, which is why I thought they were in Idaho because our Idahoan friends uh what do you call them? 01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:32.000 Idahoan? 01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:34.399 Idahoan, I don't know what'd you call that? 01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:34.960 Idaho. 01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:38.560 I well, I know how it's spelled, but it is hard to pronounce, isn't it? 01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:39.600 Is it Idahoan? 01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:40.720 Idahoan. 01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:44.960 We can't pronounce Udahoan. 01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:47.920 We can't pronounce Regusen, Idahoan. 01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:49.279 We can't do any of this. 01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:50.800 We're terrible. 01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:53.920 So, yes, our friends from Idaho went and visited the vineyard. 01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:56.720 They they met the family, they said they were an amazing family. 01:12:56.880 --> 01:12:58.079 They are they're great. 01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:01.279 See if I can get one of those guys on to join us with Ryan. 01:13:01.680 --> 01:13:02.319 Sure, yeah. 01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:05.279 If they want to come on, definitely like they could sponsor the episode. 01:13:05.439 --> 01:13:06.800 Um, yeah, it's Idahoan. 01:13:06.960 --> 01:13:07.439 I think I had it right. 01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:12.159 So Reggie's and sellers, they also have they're also a fruit farm, they deliver to most states. 01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:15.359 There are some states where they can't deliver wine, but I think you can still get the fruit. 01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:18.159 They are amazing, they let us talk about anything we want. 01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:20.720 They especially love when we talk about this topic, apparently. 01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:28.640 I mean, they're right on board with us to like drink a bottle of wine as the apocalypse comes and the horror babylon rides the beast. 01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:29.760 Let's go. 01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:32.159 We love records and sellers, guys. 01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:36.159 Go to recordsandsellers.com, use code based at checkout for 10% off. 01:13:36.319 --> 01:13:41.119 Tell them that we sent you and let them know you love avoiding Babylon and that they sponsor us. 01:13:42.079 --> 01:13:44.239 All right, let's do the Joshua Charles tweet. 01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:44.800 This one, man. 01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:55.840 If you guys haven't seen this one, Josh, well, we'll play the video first, but Josh has a way of presenting the exact same ideas a lot of people do without being bombastic. 01:13:55.920 --> 01:14:04.159 And he presents them in a serious way where if you're really paying attention, it's like, oh, wait, this is this is wait, the church fathers warned us about all of this. 01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:09.119 So let's play the BB Netanyahu video and then we'll uh we'll go from there. 01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:12.880 You guys are cool, but I have no idea what's going on. 01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:24.239 Well, you kind of have to probably watch from the beginning of the episode to understand most of it, but well, actually, he they have been here since the beginning, so really you might have to watch since the beginning of like three years ago. 01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:33.439 I do try to bring I try to bring this stuff down to like layman's level because I'm a layman and I'm I'm not that smart. 01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:35.760 If I could grasp this stuff, you guys should be able to. 01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:40.000 It's it it's not kosher wine, so it's not kosher wine. 01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:43.359 I'm sad they don't ship

anti-Semitic wine to my state. 01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:46.319 Uh okay, here's the video. 01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:49.119 We want to know what you're reading now. 01:14:49.359 --> 01:14:50.720 What I'm reading, yeah. 01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:57.359 Uh it's a book by uh name of Barry Strauss. 01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:00.640 It's called the Jews against Rome. 01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:03.840 Jews against Rome. 01:15:04.159 --> 01:15:05.840 What made you pick it up? 01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:07.279 Well, we lost that one. 01:15:07.359 --> 01:15:08.880 I think we have to win the next one. 01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:10.880 We want to know what you're reading now. 01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:16.000 Talking about the destruction of the temple in 70 AD, the Jews versus Rome. 01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:19.279 Well, we lost that one, but we have to win the next one. 01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:24.800 So um, let's let's get into what Josh has to say about this. 01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:31.199 So, from a theological perspective, this is an extremely interesting video released by Netanyahu's press office account on Instagram. 01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:35.439 I took the screen record myself from their account because I wanted to ensure it was genuine and not AI. 01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:45.520 The traditional Jewish perspective is that the enemy of the Jewish people, Edom, is now identified with Rome, which is often associated with Christendom, the Catholic Church, etc. 01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:50.000 This identification is because of Rome's destroying the temple in 70 AD. 01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:56.239 There will be a final end times clash between the Jewish people and Edom, in which the Messiah will defeat Edom. 01:15:56.399 --> 01:16:00.399 I found many rabbis discuss this in my own study of Jewish eschatology. 01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:05.119 This is the more interesting given my study of the catacomb or the restrainer mentioned by St. 01:16:05.199 --> 01:16:09.359 Paul and Thessalonians too, which holds back the coming of the Antichrist. 01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:15.039 The majority interpretation of the church fathers is that the catacomb is in some sense the Roman Empire. 01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:22.399 This was further refined by various fathers, theologians, scholastics, etc., to indicate something connected with the church. 01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:37.279 I personally personally believe it is a preeminently it is pre-eminently Christendom, and that Christendom centered on the Church of Rome, the Catholic Church, in both its spiritual and temporal aspects, is the primary thing which restrains the coming of Antichrist. 01:16:37.439 --> 01:16:43.760 Additionally, the fathers are unanimous that the Jews will, at least at first, believe Antichrist is the Messiah. 01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:44.960 See note below. 01:16:45.119 --> 01:16:52.399 It's a huge topic that I can't do justice to in a short post, but I've been researching and writing a great deal about it for several several years now. 01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:54.640 I will have no I will have more in the coming months. 01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:58.239 Suffice it to say, once this catacone is removed, antichrist comes. 01:16:58.319 --> 01:17:04.000 And if the catacomb is in some sense Rome, the Antichrist is initially received by the Jews as Messiah. 01:17:04.159 --> 01:17:05.840 Well, that's interesting, as they say. 01:17:06.079 --> 01:17:18.399 The convergence of Jewish and Catholic interpretation on this question, though obviously expressing it from opposite sides, where apparently the Messiah is one of the Antichrist of the other, is something that should not be ignored. 01:17:18.640 --> 01:17:26.399 An important note ultimately the church fathers unanimously say that the Jews will initially receive the Antichrist as Messiah, who will deceive them. 01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:30.800 The whole point is that he must convince them that he is the actual Messiah. 01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:38.239 But they will ultimately realize they have been deceived, they will reject Antichrist, and then will undergo a mass conversion to Christ, their true Messiah. 01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:44.079 This, I believe, will be the true reconciliation between Jacob, Israel, Esau, Edom at the end of time. 01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:54.560 It is also absolutely fascinating to me that Netanyahu speaks of losing the last war against Rome, presumably referring to the Jewish rebellions of the first and second centuries, and the need to win the next one. 01:17:54.640 --> 01:18:00.880 I'd be very curious for a theologically literate interviewer to ask him who this Rome is that he seeks to defeat. 01:18:01.039 --> 01:18:10.239 Now, I want to play the other clip of him before we break down what Josh is talking about here, because he actually tells you who he thinks who he thinks Rome is. 01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:12.960 Let me uh give me a second to pull that up. 01:18:13.039 --> 01:18:14.000 That's a different tweet. 01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:15.359 Yeah, it's a different tweet. 01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:24.560 This is from a few months back when Mike Pompeo, or a few a few years back, maybe when Mike Pompeo went there, went to uh went to uh Israel. 01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:28.000 Uh here we go. 01:18:35.439 --> 01:18:36.800 I'll share this tab. 01:18:37.279 --> 01:18:37.600 Okay. 01:18:39.039 --> 01:18:40.239 And here we are. 01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:44.000 Okay, so now there's an exchange between Mike Pompeo and Benjamin Netanyahu. 01:18:46.880 --> 01:18:50.399 We had a moving visit today to the wall. 01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:55.279 I can't resist repeating this, but I'm going to go louder? 01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:56.479 No, that's the loudest. 01:18:57.600 --> 01:19:01.359 Uh Pompeo visited uh Jerusalem, but didn't end that well. 01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:06.640 But this is a different time. 01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:14.800 Rome and Jerusalem clashed over values with a great tragedy for the Jewish people. 01:19:15.039 --> 01:19:20.239 But the new Rome, the

United States, uses as a new Jerusalem. 01:19:20.960 --> 01:19:23.680 Now look, you have to think about this. 01:19:25.279 --> 01:19:26.479 You have to think about this. 01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:29.439 This is something we've been talking about on this show. 01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:33.600 Um the American empire is throughout the entire world. 01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:41.920 We go around, we throw in whoever we want as a as a as a you know, we overthrow governments, we put our own guys in all over the place. 01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:44.960 America is the new Roman Empire. 01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:53.119 We rule with an iron fist, we are the the leaders of the world, like we are the empire of the world. 01:19:54.159 --> 01:20:01.119 If you look to what Israel does in the first century, they collude with Rome to crucify the Messiah. 01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:04.960 Israel has its tentacles throughout the world. 01:20:05.920 --> 01:20:09.920 They are the nation that has drunk on the blood of the martyrs, mixed. 01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:16.479 If you don't see America as the new Rome and Israel as the whore of Babylon, I don't know, man. 01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:16.960 I don't know. 01:20:17.199 --> 01:20:19.359 Benjamin Netanyahu sees it that way. 01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:25.279 I would say we you gotta be careful kind of having this right after Joshua's tweet. 01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:32.399 Because Rome is in the set is in is the church of the remnants of actual Romanness. 01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:38.000 So look, the Rome in the first century, like the church is the new Israel, right? 01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:42.479 So spiritually, like Christendom was Rome, right? 01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:52.640 But yes, it's the American Empire is the Roman Empire of the first century that has not been christened, it's not bad, it's like this tyrannical force, it's the beast that rises up. 01:20:52.720 --> 01:20:56.560 So it's the beast that was that is not now, but then will return. 01:20:56.640 --> 01:20:58.880 It's in uh apocalypse 17, 8. 01:20:59.119 --> 01:21:03.119 So it's it's the beast that was, is not, and will rise up from the abyss. 01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:13.520 That is what the American Empire is, where the church is the new Israel, it's it's like spiritual Israel and modern Israel is Israel according to the flesh. 01:21:13.680 --> 01:21:15.680 It's it's it's a tricky thing to understand. 01:21:16.319 --> 01:21:29.039 What I'm saying is we gotta be people could misunderstand and think that if America is the new realm, then America is the catacomb, and that's not no no no no, no, no, no. 01:21:29.119 --> 01:21:42.239 What John said that the Rome that the antichrist will fight against is the church, correct, not America, because America will be subverted by the Jews, by the Antichrist. 01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:53.680 The modern Israel, the Jews, according to the flesh, will collude with the beast that returns to persecute the church, just like they did in the first century, like that's how it maps out. 01:21:53.760 --> 01:22:03.119 It's like the just like they they colluded with Rome to crucify them, like they used Rome as a tool to achieve their goals, correct. 01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:22.399 Yeah, so they're they're the they're the whore that's drunk on the blood of the martyrs, and and they but they but net Netanyahu and many others realize that they didn't subvert Rome enough the first time around, and it came back and bit them in the yeah, it's exactly what I think. 01:22:22.560 --> 01:22:39.439 So now now Netanahu saying we're not gonna make that mistake again, we're gonna subvert Rome, what they can see what they consider to be Rome, again to use as a tool for their ends, but they're gonna do so in a way where that tool doesn't then turn around and destroy them. 01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:42.479 So uh back to Josh's tweet. 01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:46.000 Um what are you looking at? 01:22:46.399 --> 01:22:48.000 Uh I'm just going back to Josh's tweet. 01:22:48.239 --> 01:22:53.760 So from uh so the traditional Jewish perspective, uh, how okay, so the catacomb I want to get to. 01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:54.159 Let's see. 01:22:54.239 --> 01:23:05.840 So, more interesting, giving my study of the catacomb or the restrainer mentioned by Saint Paul, uh, which holds back the coming of Antichrist, the majority interpretation of the church fathers is that the catacomb is in some sense the Roman Empire. 01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:28.720 So, like you the Roman Empire in in connection with the church, so like um the catacomb, the restrainer had to do with the Holy Roman Emperor, Holy Roman Empire, the Roman Empire, not not Rome, the Holy Roman Empire, like except that is a continuation of the Roman Empire. 01:23:28.960 --> 01:23:31.439 It's the baptized version of it. 01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:33.840 One of them, yes, yeah, like the the Holy. 01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:47.920 So, but what you when the church, if the church is the restrainer, the things that we are seeing happen right now, the weakening of the church, starts with Pope Paul VI laying down that papal tiara. 01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:50.159 Like that is the catacomb, the church, the pleasure. 01:23:50.560 --> 01:23:52.079 It started before that, I would say. 01:23:52.319 --> 01:23:55.600 Yeah, of course, but the the symbolism behind that is all I'm saying. 01:23:55.760 --> 01:24:11.840 Then you have the council, and then you start having these weak documents come out, and you have the you have pope after pope who are afraid to proclaim the truth of Christ because they're more concerned with the with the the the concerns of men than they are with the concerns of God. 01:24:12.079 --> 01:24:13.600 Pope after pope doing this. 01:24:13.680 --> 01:24:20.079 I mean, you have Leo doing it now, accepting a gay couple into the Vatican today as James Martin is doing what he's doing. 01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:25.840 Like, this is, in my view, the church in its passion. 01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:30.800

It's like when Christ is marching to that pillar and and they're beating him at the pillar. 01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:34.079 If you looked on, you'd say, That's not the messiah, there's no way. 01:24:34.239 --> 01:24:37.680 When he's suffering on that cross, you say, That's there's no way that's the messiah. 01:24:37.920 --> 01:24:44.560 What look, what the church is going through right now, it's like that that's not the church of Christ, like that can't be the one true church, but it is. 01:24:46.399 --> 01:25:05.840 I mean, we if you look at it by the time Vatican II rolls around, the church is all that's remaining of a Romanotast that has ex that had existed since the Roman Empire, you know, starting with the really the Protestant revolt starts to starts to diminish the power of the Holy Roman Empire and the power of the church. 01:25:06.079 --> 01:25:34.880 You have the Enlightenment leading to the French Revolution, where Napoleon goes and ends up actually dissolving the Holy Roman Empire, then you have uh World War I, which destroys all the traditional you know institutions in Europe and ends in you have the last Habsburg, you know, being dethroned, and even though he wasn't technically uh the a Holy Roman Empire Emperor at the time, he is the last of the lineage of it, yeah. 01:25:35.039 --> 01:25:50.640 Right, and then you have um World War II, you know, of course, kicks off when some remnants in Europe try to re-establish a bastardized perverted version of some sort of traditional you know European-ness. 01:25:51.039 --> 01:26:06.720 Um, so yeah, you can really see the last 500 years as the destruction of of Romanitas, and by the time Vatican II rolls around the church, is all that's remaining, and that's why there's been such a war on the church since then, on the church, and it's like so. 01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:10.000 Even when I was on with the CETEs, I was trying to say this to them. 01:26:10.239 --> 01:26:24.800 Um, I said, like, the I know, I know it looks like the church is completely given up, but it's like there's still there's still the protection of the Holy Spirit when you see like if it was up to these men, they would ordain women. 01:26:24.880 --> 01:26:30.479 If it was up to these men, there'd be gay marriage, but there's still something stopping these men from doing this stuff. 01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:44.640 You still have the the Holy Spirit protecting the church from doing the craziest stuff, and and the world still sees the Catholic Church as its number one enemy to get to get these things through. 01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:51.600 Like they well, the church may not look like Christ does when he's healing the leper. 01:26:51.680 --> 01:26:56.000 It's not like the the miracles are kind of you know, it's not this miraculous church. 01:26:56.079 --> 01:26:59.359 We don't have stigmatist saints walking around right now. 01:26:59.680 --> 01:27:01.439 It's just the church and her passion. 01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:06.479 It's like the

church is just going through something where when you look at it, you're like, I don't know, man. 01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:12.880 There's a lot of things I could look at and say that can't be the church, but it's the church, and it's just going through something right now. 01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:34.159 And I think all the things that we're seeing in the world, and especially with this question that we keep talking about, that I that we say every episode we don't want to talk about, but it's just I'm not talking about it because I want to talk about it, talking about it because I'm reacting to the things like it's like every time I want to talk about something else, something happens where I'm like, I have to discuss this, man. 01:27:34.239 --> 01:27:43.680 It's like I don't know, and and I think that conversation with um with Gavin and and um Scott was really eye-opening. 01:27:43.840 --> 01:27:46.960 Um, it used to bother me that the world hated the Catholic Church and not mine. 01:27:47.119 --> 01:27:48.159 Now I feel properly hated. 01:27:48.239 --> 01:27:51.359 Yeah, the world will always hate the Catholic Church. 01:27:51.439 --> 01:27:51.920 That's the thing. 01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:58.720 And it's like, look, there's there's things going on right now where even you as a Catholic are like, what the heck is this, man? 01:27:58.960 --> 01:27:59.840 Like, what is this? 01:27:59.920 --> 01:28:01.920 What is this stupid thing with James Martin? 01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:02.880 Like, what is this stuff? 01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:07.840 And it's just this it's it's Christ getting spit on before the Sanhedrin, is what that is. 01:28:07.920 --> 01:28:10.560 It's like the humiliation that we're going to go through as Catholics. 01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:11.600 Be prepared, guys. 01:28:11.760 --> 01:28:13.119 It's gonna get much worse. 01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:18.560 And the thing is, as people are saying in the comments, they're like, we're gonna look back on this time of reverence. 01:28:18.640 --> 01:28:25.439 Like, God chose us all to be alive right now, like God chose you to live in these insane times. 01:28:27.680 --> 01:28:31.520 The saints of old longed to live in these times. 01:28:33.520 --> 01:28:37.920 Kind of crazy because like we all long for like the times past when the church was in her glory. 01:28:38.079 --> 01:28:47.359 We're not in the time where the church is in her glory going and preaching the gospel to the world and conquering the pagan nations and gathering all things into Christ. 01:28:47.439 --> 01:28:50.479 It's just not where we are right now in salvation history. 01:28:50.640 --> 01:28:53.760 Where we are right now is is a very different time. 01:28:53.920 --> 01:28:58.399 Like you see what's happening, you see the timidity of our pope. 01:28:59.039 --> 01:29:00.159 Pray for our pope. 01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:09.439 He's very timid, very, very timid, and he thinks he can please everybody, and you can't please everybody, and it's like if

you don't stand for something. 01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:16.079 Things are going to get very difficult going forward, kids. 01:29:18.319 --> 01:29:22.159 It's gonna get tricky, and your your faith is going to be tested. 01:29:23.439 --> 01:29:30.319 You're going to see um you have to remember this. 01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:33.760 Um hang on, let me find it. 01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:34.960 I just put it out. 01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:41.359 Uh sorry. 01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:47.760 I I'm looking for the um the Bible verse I tweeted before. 01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:48.239 Hang on. 01:29:50.800 --> 01:29:52.640 I'm sorry guys, I know this is terrible. 01:29:52.800 --> 01:29:59.920 But like uh it's it's oh, for the time is coming when men will not uh for the time is coming when people will not endorse sound teaching. 01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:01.920 Teaching will have itching ears. 01:30:02.079 --> 01:30:05.680 They will hear they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings. 01:30:05.760 --> 01:30:06.880 Like that's where we are. 01:30:07.039 --> 01:30:09.600 People who don't want to endorse sound doctrine. 01:30:10.479 --> 01:30:12.640 They want to hear things that make them feel good. 01:30:12.880 --> 01:30:13.760 Oh, this sounds good. 01:30:13.920 --> 01:30:15.039 Okay, yeah, let's go with this. 01:30:15.199 --> 01:30:16.560 Oh, you just have to love your neighbor. 01:30:16.640 --> 01:30:22.960 Oh, there was what's the big deal if the if the two married homosexual men get confirmed in the church? 01:30:23.119 --> 01:30:24.319 What's the big deal? 01:30:25.680 --> 01:30:29.439 Let's not use the title co-redemptrix because that could scandalize people. 01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:33.039 Let's just confirm two gay married men and bring them in. 01:30:33.359 --> 01:30:38.560 And the gay, the gay man that's coming in, his his godfather is his husband. 01:30:45.680 --> 01:30:46.960 It's gonna get worse. 01:30:47.119 --> 01:30:54.479 I just like the thing, the man, we should we should go back and go through the Benedict. 01:30:54.560 --> 01:31:00.399 Uh we're not going to, but the Ratzinger interview from this 1969 where he talks before. 01:31:00.880 --> 01:31:04.560 I know we have, but it's it's just one of those things that's good to reflect on every year. 01:31:04.640 --> 01:31:05.680 So we don't have to do it now. 01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:09.520 But he just goes in and he talks about how the church is going to lose her prestige. 01:31:09.680 --> 01:31:13.680 No longer will she be and you're a thousand away, man. 01:31:14.640 --> 01:31:17.680 Oh my gosh, you guys have to be kidding me. 01:31:19.359 --> 01:31:31.279 So for anyone who wasn't here at the beginning, uh, Ant's brother needs minimum 17,000 for a new boiler for his house so that his kids have hot water and heat for the winter. 01:31:31.600 --> 01:31:34.159 Um where did I put that? 01:31:34.640 --> 01:31:35.760 I have it somewhere here. 01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:45.279 If you if you guys, if you guys just go back and watch the first five, it's like seven minutes of the show, and I and I tell and I just tell a personal story about why why we're trying to raise money for my brother. 01:31:45.439 --> 01:31:53.760 Um but I just like you guys really just you have no idea how much it means to me you guys that you guys are there for for us. 01:31:53.840 --> 01:32:00.000 It's like um it for first off, it's such a witness to Christian charity. 01:32:00.720 --> 01:32:13.279 Like in 24 hours, in 24 hours, you guys did something that will change my brother's life, like seriously, and and and the to be able to give him that gift, I cannot wait. 01:32:13.439 --> 01:32:25.199 I'm like I like to keep it a secret from him for this long, but I just cannot wait to tell him that I have if any of you know Ant or have talked to him personally or have ever told him, Hey, keep the secret, don't tell anyone this. 01:32:25.359 --> 01:32:28.800 You have to know it is literally the hardest thing in the world for him to do. 01:32:29.039 --> 01:32:32.239 Yeah, I do have lines. 01:32:32.319 --> 01:32:36.720 Like, if you tell me, like, do not mention this on the show, like, I'll never mention it on the show. 01:32:36.960 --> 01:32:44.319 But especially because but keep on the show, there was a condition there, and he will go around. 01:32:45.279 --> 01:32:52.000 No, it's the no the hardest thing is for me to not tell it on the show if it's a touching story or if it's something I think will move the audience. 01:32:52.239 --> 01:32:54.319 Like, I'm a storyteller, right? 01:32:54.399 --> 01:32:57.119 So the like I love telling stories. 01:32:58.000 --> 01:32:58.960 Read it. 01:32:59.359 --> 01:33:00.640 Wait,$800 away. 01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:03.680 New HVAC units are so good, but don't waste one of your three crimes. 01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:05.119 I'm gonna see a little clear. 01:33:06.399 --> 01:33:08.319 I stopped myself in the beginning of the show. 01:33:08.399 --> 01:33:09.039 I felt it coming. 01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:11.279 I was like, I heard I heard it coming. 01:33:11.680 --> 01:33:14.319 The boys started cracking, but I didn't I didn't shed a tear. 01:33:14.560 --> 01:33:18.960 But um he's he's my kid brother, man. 01:33:19.039 --> 01:33:20.079 I got you know what I'm gonna do? 01:33:20.159 --> 01:33:22.800 I'm gonna I want to send you a picture of me and my kid brother when we went. 01:33:23.039 --> 01:33:23.760 Yeah, send it to me. 01:33:23.920 --> 01:33:25.600 I'm gonna send you a picture of me and my brother. 01:33:26.319 --> 01:33:29.680 I don't think because the I mean the only brother of yours I've met has been Joey. 01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:33.119 And of course I've seen Dominic because he's the TV star. 01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:37.119 But I've never uh I've never seen Mikey. 01:33:37.439 --> 01:33:41.600 Especially because uh you're you made your wife um block me on Facebook. 01:33:41.840 --> 01:33:50.239 So wait, but this picture I'm gonna show you, this is

me and my brother at like 19 years old. 01:33:51.760 --> 01:33:53.359 I'll send it to you on Telegram, right? 01:33:53.439 --> 01:33:55.359 Yeah, yeah, send it to me on Telegram. 01:33:57.439 --> 01:33:59.920 Alright, I just said this is me and my brother at 19 years old. 01:34:00.000 --> 01:34:00.399 I don't even know. 01:34:00.560 --> 01:34:01.520 Oh, I've seen this picture. 01:34:01.680 --> 01:34:03.680 Yeah, this don't even look like me. 01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:06.319 No, it does look like you. 01:34:10.479 --> 01:34:14.159 Me and Mikey had the same friends. 01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:17.760 Um we got in the same trouble together. 01:34:17.920 --> 01:34:28.319 Like I wouldn't, there was a point in my teen years where like I had problems with so many people that I wouldn't go to a party unless my brother Mikey was with me. 01:34:28.479 --> 01:34:33.680 Me and my brother Mikey brawled with like 15 guys one night, just the two of us, and we won. 01:34:33.840 --> 01:34:35.199 Like, you have no idea. 01:34:35.359 --> 01:34:37.920 My brother Mikey I've heard that story, you've told me that. 01:34:38.000 --> 01:34:40.399 Yeah, he was so freaking tough, man. 01:34:40.479 --> 01:34:43.039 Like, I would go if I wouldn't go to a party if he wasn't with me. 01:34:43.119 --> 01:34:44.399 If he was with me, I'd be like, let's go. 01:34:44.560 --> 01:34:47.520 We walked in, and I was just like, I know if I'm getting hit, he's getting hit with me. 01:34:47.680 --> 01:34:49.600 Like, I just had no fear if he was with me. 01:34:49.680 --> 01:34:50.960 I was like, I don't care. 01:34:52.079 --> 01:34:54.880 If I got my brother with me, at least we're getting beat up together. 01:34:55.039 --> 01:34:57.680 Young Anthony listened to instincts, apparently. 01:34:58.079 --> 01:35:00.000 I was a wigger, dude. 01:35:01.119 --> 01:35:05.119 We probably had like DMX on in the background or something. 01:35:06.079 --> 01:35:08.159 Those American flags in the trunk. 01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:17.279 Um, all right, so wait, let me uh let me see if there's anything else we could do with this um with this conversation before we go. 01:35:17.520 --> 01:35:23.039 Uh and then and then you know what? 01:35:23.119 --> 01:35:23.600 We you know what? 01:35:23.680 --> 01:35:26.319 Let's let's go to locals because we got we got some stuff for locals actually. 01:35:26.560 --> 01:35:27.439 We are gonna go to locals. 01:35:27.600 --> 01:35:29.840 Yeah, we'll do we'll do a half hour for all locals members. 01:35:29.920 --> 01:35:30.960 Like they deserve it. 01:35:31.119 --> 01:35:36.079 Um because there's you put that story, that New York Post story, in, and I wanted to talk about that last week. 01:35:37.760 --> 01:35:42.479 Um, and this is this is about the the father who let his uh child die in the car. 01:35:43.119 --> 01:35:47.199 Um there's there's an aspect of that story that we have to talk about. 01:35:47.600 --> 01:35:52.800 Um, and then also um there was another one. 01:35:52.960 -->

01:36:00.399 Uh you sent a really touching letter um from one of our from one of our fans. 01:36:00.560 --> 01:36:01.600 Uh, we could read that. 01:36:01.680 --> 01:36:02.560 We'll do that on locals. 01:36:04.720 --> 01:36:08.800 If that person isn't on locals, maybe we should read that now. 01:36:09.039 --> 01:36:10.319 All right, so let's read that now then. 01:36:10.399 --> 01:36:12.720 And then and then we'll go over to locals and we'll discuss the other things. 01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:21.119 So if you guys aren't locals members, that's where we we kind of do more personal stuff and we you know we kind of let our hair down a little bit, but uh, and it's usually the more fun part of the show. 01:36:21.199 --> 01:36:32.239 And every time we do a local show where we're like, we don't really have anything to talk about, we wind up leaving, and I get a thousand messages of people just going, locals the best show I've ever seen. 01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:40.159 So uh, dear Anthony and Rob, I've been following you both on Twitter for a little while, and I just recently started listening to your shows. 01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:41.920 Thank you for the work that you're doing. 01:36:42.079 --> 01:36:47.760 You managed to address serious issues while still keeping the mood relatively light in a manner that is greatly edifying. 01:36:47.920 --> 01:36:52.960 I particularly appreciate your acknowledgement of the problems facing the younger generation. 01:36:53.199 --> 01:36:55.119 That said, these are incredibly dark times. 01:36:55.199 --> 01:36:57.520 I'm 27 and I'm married with three children. 01:36:57.760 --> 01:37:02.079 I'm not Catholic, but I believe Catholicism is true and I'm praying about converting. 01:37:02.239 --> 01:37:06.960 I would appreciate your prayers, particularly from for my wife, should you find the time. 01:37:07.119 --> 01:37:10.319 My wife and I currently rent rooms from my in-laws. 01:37:10.479 --> 01:37:18.800 We are blessed in that regard, but we have no idea how we'll ever be able to afford a home or our own or own for of our own for our family. 01:37:18.960 --> 01:37:25.039 We live in Rhode Island on the Massachusetts border, where my wife's family has been since their arrival in the Mayflower. 01:37:25.359 --> 01:37:35.359 And it ooh uh and it looks like and it looks like we'll likely have to leave all that heritage behind someday to make it financially elsewhere. 01:37:35.600 --> 01:37:43.840 This troubles me because, in order for my parents to make it financially, my family had to leave our home, an extended family in Wisconsin and move to Pennsylvania when I was 12. 01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:52.239 Consequently, I feel as if I belong nowhere, have no real home, and unless something changes drastically, my children will grow up with the same feeling of rootlessness. 01:37:52.479 --> 01:37:57.439 As you are fully aware, most of the young men in my generation feel stuck in the same hopeless situation. 01:37:57.600 --> 01:38:00.880 At

least I was blessed enough to be able to get married. 01:38:01.039 --> 01:38:02.319 Last year, it looked like Mr. 01:38:02.399 --> 01:38:10.880 Trump was on track to try to turn things around in a real and lasting manner after winning the election, but the last few months have been one open betrayal after another. 01:38:11.039 --> 01:38:13.600 And now feels as if he is openly spitting in our face. 01:38:13.680 --> 01:38:26.560 When it comes to the issues we're facing, housing costs, unemployment, mass immigration, etc., the older generation is in general seem to view the young men of my generation as a bunch of losers who just need to get our act together. 01:38:26.720 --> 01:38:42.239 I won't deny that most of us are degenerate and extremely sorry excuses for men, but a lot of us do, in fact, see the cultural and moral decay around us, the results of our society turning its back on Christ, the failures of our fathers to be strong, faithful men, and we desperately want to change. 01:38:42.479 --> 01:38:51.119 Despite the terrible economic situation in the world today, I'm seeing more and more couples around my age choose to have bigger families, and they're not even Catholic, just about Protestants. 01:38:51.199 --> 01:38:59.039 We are trying to work hard to support our families and for their for our efforts, we are rewarded with roadblocks and road roadblock and roadblock from our government. 01:38:59.279 --> 01:39:10.000 Hatred from the immigrants who care nothing for us or our heritage, even as they reap enormous benefits from money taken from us, and worst of all, derision from our elders who should be supporting and mentoring us. 01:39:10.239 --> 01:39:17.439 As I previously stated, I am praying seriously about becoming Catholic, but the situation in the church seems to be just as bad as it is elsewhere. 01:39:17.680 --> 01:39:21.039 This does not not deter me from converting. 01:39:21.279 --> 01:39:30.239 Far be it from me to criticize the hierarchy as a non-Catholic, but the bishops and cardinals appear to exist in some sort of fantasy world, impervious to the dire situation in the world today. 01:39:30.399 --> 01:39:36.800 Judging by their actions, they seem to actively want to want the destruction of our country, livelihoods, and heritage. 01:39:36.960 --> 01:39:48.720 Uh, I've I've heard statements from some of them about how migrants ought to be treated with dignity, which is true, but I have yet to hear from any of them about how mass immigration is currently destroying my generation's ability to provide for our families. 01:39:48.800 --> 01:39:49.840 They don't seem to care. 01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:54.640 In short, well, I don't know about in short, but the older generation seems to despise us. 01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:58.079 Our president has demonstrated that he does not care about us. 01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:01.600 I mean this sincerely when I ask, do the Catholic bishops hate us too? 01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:05.039 I apologize for this

wrong, long, rambling, depressing email. 01:40:05.279 --> 01:40:09.119 I just don't know what to do anymore, and none of the men my age know what to do either. 01:40:09.279 --> 01:40:11.920 I'm going to be doing a lot of fasting and praying going forward. 01:40:12.000 --> 01:40:16.880 Our situation seems to be completely hopeless, and God himself is the only one who can change it now. 01:40:17.039 --> 01:40:25.760 Our society deserves to be destroyed for our wickedness, but maybe if we repent, he'll show mercy on us as he did towards the Hebrews when they gave themselves to over to idolatry. 01:40:25.840 --> 01:40:26.399 Maybe not. 01:40:26.560 --> 01:40:27.840 Thank you again for all you do. 01:40:27.920 --> 01:40:31.119 I respect you both tremendously, sincerely, Ethan. 01:40:31.600 --> 01:40:36.800 First off, everyone pray for Ethan and his wife and their possible conversion. 01:40:37.920 --> 01:40:55.039 Um, and also just like when I when I get when we get messages from young guys, man, it's like it just lights me up that like there's not much there's not who was so it was Joe Enders who was talking about it today, right? 01:40:55.279 --> 01:40:57.680 Just like the the bishops, man. 01:40:58.000 --> 01:40:59.439 They're just in a different world. 01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:09.199 They're just they don't have a clue what is going on in the like the hearts of the never needed to talk for the most part, right? 01:41:09.279 --> 01:41:21.039 I mean, and not not to not to mean this in like a a bad way because um because we should care for our priests, but priests and bishops they're prov they provide for. 01:41:21.119 --> 01:41:29.119 I'm not saying they make a lot of money, but they get housing and health care, and they don't obviously get married and they don't have to worry about kids. 01:41:29.199 --> 01:41:36.640 And and I'm not a lot of priests know the struggles that we all go through and and care about them, yeah. 01:41:36.960 --> 01:41:40.720 But they they cannot know them and feel them in the way that we do. 01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:42.159 They it just isn't possible. 01:41:42.319 --> 01:41:49.520 Just like how I I I might acknowledge how difficult it is to be a priest, I will never never know it in the same way a priest knows it. 01:41:50.000 --> 01:41:50.640 Yeah, dude. 01:41:50.720 --> 01:41:58.640 The the the the thing is they just uh have completely abandoned young men, the church. 01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:09.279 Like the church has just completely abandoned young men, they don't care at all about them, and it's so dumb on their part because the world is evangelized by men. 01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:13.279 Christ chose 12 men to be the apostles for a reason. 01:42:13.439 --> 01:42:16.880 Because if you don't win the hearts of men, you don't win the world. 01:42:16.960 --> 01:42:24.239 Like the so much of what we're going through is because they've just let women take the lead in all of these things. 01:42:24.720 --> 01:42:28.960 Every parish is

run by women, they they've just completely abandoned young men. 01:42:29.119 --> 01:42:32.800 You guys want to know why these young Catholic men are flocking to Nick Fuentes? 01:42:33.199 --> 01:42:36.239 Because he talks to them and he actually understands their problems. 01:42:36.479 --> 01:42:39.039 You're all wondering, oh my goodness, what are we gonna do about this guy? 01:42:39.119 --> 01:42:45.119 This guy's actually talking about the crap they're facing while you guys are off pop knobbing with your Apple teenies at the end. 01:42:45.840 --> 01:42:47.600 Not just talking about it, yeah. 01:42:48.000 --> 01:42:52.479 Whatever you think about him and some of his antics and whatnot, listen to him. 01:42:52.800 --> 01:42:54.560 He sounds like he cares. 01:42:54.800 --> 01:42:55.840 I've never connect. 01:42:56.000 --> 01:42:59.439 I don't know, but turnaround on anything like Rob shut up. 01:43:01.279 --> 01:43:04.800 I definitely don't have I I definitely haven't been watching a lot of Instagram. 01:43:05.279 --> 01:43:06.079 Listen to him lately. 01:43:06.319 --> 01:43:12.319 I when I tell you guys, like Rob used to be he because Rob's initial instinct on anything is I don't like it. 01:43:12.479 --> 01:43:14.399 Like it's that is my default setting. 01:43:14.560 --> 01:43:16.720 It's his fault modus, I don't like it. 01:43:16.800 --> 01:43:18.399 I don't like him, I don't like it. 01:43:18.640 --> 01:43:38.960 But me and Jason would keep like sending over like funny clips and then funny, and now all of a sudden Rob's like, Hey, I've never seen this, and it's like Nick ranting about Catholicism and like not ranting, giving an impassioned speech about about Christ the King, and yeah, and Rob's like, All right, maybe I maybe I judge this guy a little quickly, it's pretty funny. 01:43:39.119 --> 01:43:48.159 But listen, he's got his crazy things he said, but you know, he's like when I was in my 20s, if you guys have had a microphone in front of me in my 20s, oh my goodness, you have no idea. 01:43:48.479 --> 01:43:52.560 If if you had a microphone in front of you in your 20s, you definitely wouldn't have one in front of your face now. 01:43:52.800 --> 01:43:54.880 No, not even a chance, not even a chance. 01:43:55.039 --> 01:44:12.079 I have a one I have one in front of me now when I worry about the things I say, so and I I really just don't think the older generation gets like the the the irony, the irony, the ironic humor of the younger generation, where I I always thought that humor was kind of funny anyway. 01:44:12.159 --> 01:44:22.560 So, like I remember when we first started doing this show, even when we talked to Trent about it, like when we had Trent Horn uh come on, we were talking to him, and he was really worried about the irony poisoning. 01:44:22.720 --> 01:44:24.960 And I was like, I don't know, I kind of find this stuff pretty funny. 01:44:25.119 --> 01:44:28.720 Like, I don't know if I'm desensitized to it, but I think they're

hilarious. 01:44:29.039 --> 01:44:31.760 It it does it wears on me a little in general. 01:44:32.000 --> 01:44:44.079 Um and like some of the intentional irreverence around certain things, like I said, wears on me a little, but I guess I understand that it's being used as a tool, really, right? 01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:47.680 To break down the and they've they did a pretty good job, man. 01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:51.039 They've broken down some crazy barriers that were up. 01:44:51.199 --> 01:44:54.640 But uh Ryan says, uh, young men are starving for authenticity and truth. 01:44:54.720 --> 01:44:58.319 They spent most of their lives being lied to and condescendingly attacking their existence. 01:44:58.479 --> 01:45:00.640 Yeah, yeah. 01:45:00.800 --> 01:45:01.520 I don't know, man. 01:45:01.600 --> 01:45:07.600 I feel I uh because I remember like when the zoomer humor first started coming around, I was like, these kids are funny, man. 01:45:07.680 --> 01:45:24.399 When they like even like the the the texting, the way they would like calling everybody king, and like the texting has even changed since then, but it was just kind of fun, and my kids were like beside themselves that I knew like Gen Z texting, they were like they were like losing their minds. 01:45:24.720 --> 01:45:27.520 Um, did somebody just say it's at 176? 01:45:27.920 --> 01:45:28.960 176. 01:45:29.760 --> 01:45:33.840 Oh my 17631, Aunt. 01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:35.520 All right, stop it at 18 though. 01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:36.720 I don't want I don't want any more. 01:45:36.960 --> 01:45:38.560 You can't stop it, you're the one in control. 01:45:38.800 --> 01:45:40.399 Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna shut it down. 01:45:40.800 --> 01:45:41.840 Stop it at 18. 01:45:42.079 --> 01:45:48.319 I'm gonna stop it at 18 because uh maybe I should let it go to 20, just for a car for him. 01:45:48.479 --> 01:45:49.600 For not for me, for him. 01:45:49.680 --> 01:45:52.399 Like, because if we could if we could get him a car. 01:45:54.720 --> 01:45:59.119 This kid, this oh man, I can't tell you guys what he's gonna how he's going to react. 01:45:59.359 --> 01:46:00.079 I can't wait. 01:46:00.239 --> 01:46:01.199 I can't wait to tell him. 01:46:01.279 --> 01:46:06.319 Like, this is like I'm more excited for this than I was for my kids on Christmas morning because I know it's life-changing. 01:46:06.399 --> 01:46:09.279 It's not it's not getting your kids their first snowboard or something. 01:46:09.359 --> 01:46:23.600 Like, this is no a good a good boiler literally lasts 20 years, like you're setting them up for it's going to be like uh a video where they like they they take the person away and then you come back and redid their house or something. 01:46:23.680 --> 01:46:26.640 Like, that's the kind of reaction I'm that he's going to have from it. 01:46:26.880 --> 01:46:29.199 So um, all right, let's jump over to locals. 01:46:29.279 --> 01:46:34.479 We'll do that New York New York Post story because I I have some things to say about that, especially for young men. 01:46:34.560 --> 01:46:44.960 Like, you guys really should hear what I have to say about this because this this father left his daughter in the car, and she was a toddler, and she died. 01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:48.560 And the father just took his life. 01:46:48.880 --> 01:46:52.239 And there's a reason he took his life, and it wasn't just because his daughter died. 01:46:52.319 --> 01:46:53.840 And I want I want to get into that. 01:46:54.000 --> 01:46:57.439 So, um, all right, guys, thank you so much, man. 01:46:57.520 --> 01:46:58.960 This is a very long YouTube show. 01:46:59.039 --> 01:47:00.479 We usually only do an hour. 01:47:00.640 --> 01:47:03.119 I appreciate all of you guys for sticking around. 01:47:03.359 --> 01:47:16.000 Um this was a this was a this is a good show, I think, because um sometimes you don't know like what you're gonna talk about, and then some like I t I texted Rob before the show and I said, This is gonna be a really good one tonight. 01:47:16.159 --> 01:47:23.520 Like I I just I just knew it was, and uh when you see an hour and 45 minutes go by and you're like, holy cow, I can't believe that much time went by. 01:47:23.600 --> 01:47:24.720 That's how you know you had a good one. 01:47:24.800 --> 01:47:29.600 So remember the times when we would only have 13 minutes left to talk on locals, right? 01:47:30.079 --> 01:47:31.279 Because of the two-hour limit. 01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:32.560 We had a two-hour limit. 01:47:32.640 --> 01:47:34.000 Yeah, we got a little longer than that. 01:47:34.079 --> 01:47:35.520 So all right, we're gonna go over the locals. 01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:38.960 We're gonna do a short one there, probably be like 20, 25 minutes, but I want to talk about that story. 01:47:39.199 --> 01:47:41.920 Okay, I'm just gonna cut us off because that will make this quicker. 01:47:42.000 --> 01:47:42.640 So yeah. 01:47:42.960 --> 01:47:45.279 No, see you guys on Tuesday. 01:47:48.960 --> 01:47:49.119 Okay.