AEW DYNAMITE POST-SHOW (10/14): Keller & Kline discuss Copeland's retirement announcement, Clockwork Carnage build, FTR-MCMG Best of Five の全文書き起こし

00:03:48.379 to be world champion. 69 00:03:49.610 --> 00:03:51.610 Right. I think I'm kind of in the middle where 70 00:03:51.629 --> 00:03:53.650 you said John Cena and I, and I always think 71 00:03:53.669 --> 00:03:55.270 of staying of course, in the way that what they 72 00:03:55.289 --> 00:03:55.849 did was staying. 73 00:03:55.870 --> 00:03:58.189 So I'm kind of in the middle. I'm not sure. 74 00:03:58.210 --> 00:04:00.349 I'm not sure about that. 75 00:04:00.750 --> 00:04:02.669 If it's kind of interesting that, you know, his friend 76 00:04:02.689 --> 00:04:05.169 getting hurt, like put the levity of, of what his 77 00:04:05.229 --> 00:04:07.629 career should be rather than breaking his leg when he 78 00:04:07.650 --> 00:04:09.090 jumped off the top of a cage, but you know, 79 00:04:09.430 --> 00:04:11.990 to each his own. But I think it's a, It's 80 00:04:12.009 --> 00:04:13.689 going to be interesting to see if they actually follow 81 00:04:13.729 --> 00:04:15.330 up on it or if this is a Jeff Jarrett 82 00:04:15.349 --> 00:04:16.810 special and we never hear about it again. 83 00:04:16.829 --> 00:04:18.660 I doubt that. 84 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:22.240 I think he'll get a little bit more love than 85 00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:26.019 Jarrett did. But I think it would be good. 86 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:28.720 I don't know. 87 00:04:28.740 --> 00:04:31.079 AEW seems to know what they do, what they're doing 88 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:32.160 when it comes to stuff like this. 89 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:33.740 I'm sure he's talked it over with Tony Khan. 90 00:04:33.819 --> 00:04:36.620 I would assume that they have a year planned out 91 00:04:36.779 --> 00:04:39.740 or at least six months planned out. 92 00:04:39.819 --> 00:04:41.139 So I think it could be good. 93 00:04:43.189 --> 00:04:47.089 Yeah. Yeah. I'm it, this could go either way, you 94 00:04:47.129 --> 00:04:49.310 know what I mean? And you brought up the Jeff 95 00:04:49.350 --> 00:04:53.709 Jarrett memory. Um, and you know, that was, you know, 96 00:04:53.990 --> 00:04:57.209 it was the wrong timing. It felt almost kind of delusional. Um, 97 00:04:57.389 --> 00:04:59.110 he just isn't the type of wrestler in a W 98 00:04:59.149 --> 00:05:00.490 as much as he got a lot of TV time 99 00:05:00.529 --> 00:05:02.529 and there's things he brought to a W ring that 100 00:05:02.550 --> 00:05:04.889 I think a lot of wrestlers could have learned from, 101 00:05:05.389 --> 00:05:08.829 but yeah, we didn't, it didn't, it was getting more 102 00:05:08.850 --> 00:05:12.459 attention and, than it needed. And I think that fans 103 00:05:12.500 --> 00:05:14.550 were enthusiastic about it. And, you know, to their credit, 104 00:05:14.569 --> 00:05:16.769 they just kind of, I don't know how it came about, 105 00:05:16.810 --> 00:05:19.290 but they kind of realized that and moved away from 106 00:05:19.329 --> 00:05:21.029 it being too big of a deal. But as far 107 00:05:21.050 --> 00:05:22.810 as Copeland goes, I thought it was a heartfelt promo. 108 00:05:23.990 --> 00:05:26.879 You know, there is something about Copeland when he talks 109 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:30.779 to the fans. Sometimes it can be a little much. 110 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:34.360 It's sort of like for your consideration for the Emmys 111 00:05:34.500 --> 00:05:37.069 is sometimes how his promos come across. when, you know, 112 00:05:37.089 --> 00:05:39.350 it's like, this is, this is, and the thing, the 113 00:05:39.370 --> 00:05:41.430 reason I bring that up, I don't know how, yeah, 114 00:05:41.449 --> 00:05:43.589 it's like, that used to be a thing where actors 115 00:05:43.610 --> 00:05:45.970 would want a scene in a TV show. There'd be 116 00:05:46.009 --> 00:05:48.870 a special episode and you would, and as a viewer 117 00:05:48.990 --> 00:05:51.250 or as a TV critic, you'd be like, ah, this 118 00:05:51.329 --> 00:05:53.399 is the one the actor wanted so that they could 119 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:55.920 submit that clip to people who don't watch the TV show, 120 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:58.360 but decide who gets an Emmy. And this is their 121 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:00.920 big moment where they're crying or they're freaking out or whatever. 122 00:06:02.259 --> 00:06:04.279 Edge just, Copeland just did that like two out of 123 00:06:04.300 --> 00:06:06.560 three promos. It felt like some, for some stretches of time. 124 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:11.040 This was where that tendency to go that direction actually 125 00:06:11.100 --> 00:06:12.839 worked because he was talking about a big deal. His buddy, 126 00:06:13.220 --> 00:06:15.620 it's been a heavy two weeks. His buddy, Christian Cage, 127 00:06:16.100 --> 00:06:18.860 out with an injury and he's announcing his retirement. I 128 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:20.899 thought he hit the right tone and he's still been 129 00:06:20.939 --> 00:06:24.209 good enough in the ring and the crowds are into him, 130 00:06:24.310 --> 00:06:26.290 you know, singing a song and stuff. So I'm on 131 00:06:26.310 --> 00:06:28.889 the optimistic side and I think it's better than just 132 00:06:28.910 --> 00:06:32.110 kind of like floating and meandering at this stage of 133 00:06:32.129 --> 00:06:33.350 his career. You know, you want to have a sense 134 00:06:33.370 --> 00:06:36.750 of purpose, an end point. And then, you know, there 135 00:06:36.769 --> 00:06:40.819 will be a, you know, people trying to get in 136 00:06:40.860 --> 00:06:44.740 the way and stop that from happening. So it is 137 00:06:44.779 --> 00:06:46.959 a story where it's not just like, OK, there's an 138 00:06:47.019 --> 00:06:49.139 end date. People are going to try to end his 139 00:06:49.250 --> 00:06:53.970 career early also. So all in all, yeah, I thought 140 00:06:54.009 --> 00:06:57.250 it worked. And I think that Don Callis was a 141 00:06:57.290 --> 00:06:59.269 good person to play off of him with his army 142 00:06:59.310 --> 00:07:00.689 of people who

might try to stop him first. 143 00:07:01.579 --> 00:07:02.279 Of course, of course. 144 00:07:02.339 --> 00:07:04.279 And then I think the fact that we did the 145 00:07:04.300 --> 00:07:06.230 tag teams, everything is out of the way with that. 146 00:07:06.259 --> 00:07:08.410 They got the dream match with the Bucks and FTR 147 00:07:08.430 --> 00:07:12.069 and all of that. I feel it is, and he 148 00:07:12.110 --> 00:07:13.769 wants to do the single stuff. He didn't, you know, 149 00:07:13.829 --> 00:07:15.970 it felt like he didn't, he was not forced into 150 00:07:16.009 --> 00:07:19.009 doing the tag stuff, but it definitely worked like that. 151 00:07:19.069 --> 00:07:20.939 He did the tag stuff for a little while. And 152 00:07:20.980 --> 00:07:24.170 I think, that they you know i think again i 153 00:07:24.209 --> 00:07:25.569 really think that this is going to be something that 154 00:07:25.610 --> 00:07:27.250 they plot out that they do a really really good 155 00:07:27.269 --> 00:07:29.629 job it's going to be who who is the bumps 156 00:07:29.649 --> 00:07:31.069 along the way who's the ones that are trying to 157 00:07:31.110 --> 00:07:34.889 stop him from getting there and um yeah i think 158 00:07:34.910 --> 00:07:38.089 it's going to be good but i hope it's optimistically 159 00:07:38.129 --> 00:07:39.149 good so yeah. 160 00:07:39.149 --> 00:07:42.040 Yeah yeah uh derek mitchell in the chat says thanks 161 00:07:42.060 --> 00:07:43.839 dennis i was thinking the same thing with jeff jarrett 162 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:48.319 uh yeah and uh gilbert just says i feel Gilbert 163 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:51.379 Arbala says, I felt terrible for Cage. And I'm like, 164 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:52.839 what happened to Brian Cage? Did he get hurt again? 165 00:07:53.290 --> 00:07:56.610 And that's why I don't like... Call him Christian. Nobody 166 00:07:56.649 --> 00:08:00.350 thinks of Christian as Cage. Don't mean to be down 167 00:08:00.370 --> 00:08:02.350 on you, Gilbert, but there's just too many people walking 168 00:08:02.370 --> 00:08:04.550 around with the same last names. Unless we're going to 169 00:08:04.569 --> 00:08:08.850 start calling Brian Cage Machine or something. I spent like 170 00:08:08.889 --> 00:08:10.449 a minute going, did Brian Cage get injured and I 171 00:08:10.470 --> 00:08:12.329 missed it? It's like, no, he's Christian. Everybody knows him 172 00:08:12.350 --> 00:08:17.250 as Christian. So anyway, my little sidebar. rant over. This 173 00:08:17.290 --> 00:08:19.050 is where I agree with Vince McMahon. There's just too 174 00:08:19.490 --> 00:08:23.829 many people hanging out with the same last names in AEW. 175 00:08:25.019 --> 00:08:28.899 And first names. It used to be Page, Cage, all 176 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:30.519 of everything. They rhymed. 177 00:08:30.860 --> 00:08:33.539 Adam Cole, Adam Page, yeah. 178 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:34.519 Adam Copeland? 179 00:08:34.779 --> 00:08:34.960 Yeah. 180 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:35.879 Alright. 181 00:08:36.570 --> 00:08:40.389 Alright. So, yeah, I feel bad for Cajun. By the way, 182 00:08:40.409 --> 00:08:44.250 speaking of Christian, I am expecting him when he comes back. 183 00:08:44.289 --> 00:08:46.289 He'll be broken. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 184 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:47.460 Just sucks. 185 00:08:48.340 --> 00:08:51.840 No, totally. When he comes back, I'm kind of looking 186 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:56.220 forward to whether he goes, oh, I wanted to retire 187 00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:59.980 in 2020. Now you're stealing my thing. I don't know. 188 00:09:00.059 --> 00:09:02.059 I think he'll have fun with this because one of 189 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:04.120 the good things I thought, one of the good aspects 190 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:08.250 of Christian's time turning baby face in essence is he 191 00:09:08.269 --> 00:09:10.850 didn't drop everything that made him so entertaining as a 192 00:09:10.870 --> 00:09:13.360 heel before the turn. And so I could see him in, 193 00:09:13.500 --> 00:09:17.620 in a, either a, uh, a playful way or a 194 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:20.340 more serious way. You know, I, I would expect there 195 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:26.250 to be one more, um, one more. match between them 196 00:09:26.309 --> 00:09:27.149 feud between them. 197 00:09:27.070 --> 00:09:30.409 Definitely i mean definitely yeah definitely definitely yeah yeah it 198 00:09:30.450 --> 00:09:32.120 has to it has to i mean it doesn't have 199 00:09:32.129 --> 00:09:33.539 to be a rebel or anything like that but it 200 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:35.899 has to happen i think on the way out maybe 201 00:09:36.299 --> 00:09:39.000 that's the last match before his world title title shot 202 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:41.500 something like that yeah i just think it it has 203 00:09:41.539 --> 00:09:44.759 to be yeah it writes itself so. 204 00:09:45.620 --> 00:09:47.240 Yeah there's a lot of ways i can play that 205 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:48.879 we'll see how it goes but i'm with you that 206 00:09:48.899 --> 00:09:50.269 they kind of did what they needed to do with 207 00:09:50.289 --> 00:09:52.399 the tag team division so it's time yeah all right 208 00:09:52.539 --> 00:09:54.860 well let's let's pause introduce ourselves quickly here and then 209 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:57.889 we'll move on to uh some other comments uh or 210 00:09:57.950 --> 00:09:59.970 other uh analyzing other segments on the show and looking 211 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:03.799 at wrestle dream this saturday did you know that you 212 00:10:03.820 --> 00:10:07.259 can enjoy commercial free versions of all of your favorite 213 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:10.580 wade keller podcasts and pw torch daily casts on spotify 214 00:10:10.700 --> 00:10:15.179 just go to patreon.com search pw torch and subscribe to 215 00:10:15.299 --> 00:10:17.330 a vip membership tier you get a seven day free 216 00:10:17.379 --> 00:10:19.259 trial by the way to kick the tires a bit 217

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You guys know all about that. 251 00:12:07.059 --> 00:12:10.100 And an ad-free website, mobile and desktop. all right uh 252 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:13.139 dennis klein is my co-host tonight dennis welcome to the 253 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:15.879 co-host chair when i host chair usually we don't get 254 00:12:15.899 --> 00:12:18.610 to see the chair everyone gets to see the chair 255 00:12:18.620 --> 00:12:19.250 when you're on. 256 00:12:19.210 --> 00:12:22.350 Yeah yeah definitely the chair and then the tarot card 257 00:12:22.409 --> 00:12:24.509 it's uh it's it's the lover's tarot card i asked 258 00:12:24.529 --> 00:12:26.110 the last the one time you asked about it and 259 00:12:26.470 --> 00:12:28.230 my wife was like if you should know what this 260 00:12:28.350 --> 00:12:30.289 is and i'm like okay i will remember next time 261 00:12:30.610 --> 00:12:33.259 yeah that's awesome so yeah good times. 262 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:35.850 And it your, your t-shirt blends in with the chair. 263 00:12:35.929 --> 00:12:38.490 So you just kind of look like a big blob 264 00:12:38.509 --> 00:12:41.929 with a floating head, which is kind of, kind of fun. Yeah. 265 00:12:42.529 --> 00:12:43.990 So you can't see that. You can't see the purple 266 00:12:44.049 --> 00:12:45.570 Ravens written across my chest, you know? 267 00:12:45.710 --> 00:12:45.970 Yeah. 268 00:12:46.049 --> 00:12:47.590 I can, I can see that part. Yeah. 269 00:12:47.789 --> 00:12:48.909 Let's go Ravens. 270 00:12:49.490 --> 00:12:50.370 What's their, what's their record. 271 00:12:50.389 --> 00:12:52.090 I believe four and one. 272 00:12:52.809 --> 00:12:53.190 That's good. 273 00:12:53.990 --> 00:12:54.350 Yeah. 274 00:12:54.409 --> 00:12:57.590 It's not, it's not, it's not as good as the 275 00:12:57.629 --> 00:12:58.649 other purple NFL team. 276 00:12:59.509 --> 00:12:59.889 Yeah. 277 00:12:59.950 --> 00:13:01.720 It's not, it's not enough, but it's okay. 278 00:13:01.750 --> 00:13:02.909 Yeah. That's good though. 279 00:13:03.289 --> 00:13:03.409 Yeah. 280 00:13:04.350 --> 00:13:07.769 All right. No, no. Ravens are almost always really good. 281 00:13:09.190 --> 00:13:12.669 Yeah, we're spoiled with the Ravens, and we're a football 282 00:13:12.690 --> 00:13:13.870 town with a baseball problem. 283 00:13:14.210 --> 00:13:17.940 So the Orioles are just, yeah, the Orioles. 284 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:20.720 Yeah, yeah. All right. 285 00:13:21.220 --> 00:13:23.600 Well, as I said, we're live as we kind of 286 00:13:23.620 --> 00:13:28.139 keep an eye on collision. We've got Ricochet hitting some 287 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:31.470 nice moves here in the ring in the background, which 288 00:13:31.549 --> 00:13:33.509 is typical what you expect. So we'll kind of keep 289 00:13:33.529 --> 00:13:35.250 an eye on the results of that. Joshua White is 290 00:13:35.309 -->

00:13:37.929 covering the show at PW Torch, our website, the written report. 291 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:39.379 I covered the first two hours, so you can see 292 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:41.379 what I had to say about Dynamite or catch up 293 00:13:41.460 --> 00:13:43.740 on what happened, if you missed it, at PW Torch, 294 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:46.519 the two-hour Dynamite portion and then the one-hour Collision portion, 295 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:50.120 which Joshua White's updating right now. If you're joining us 296 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:53.600 while watching the Collision portion, the third hour, welcome. You 297 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:56.799 can participate in the chat and interact with us as 298 00:13:56.870 --> 00:13:59.399 the show progresses. And you can also email us if 299 00:13:59.419 --> 00:14:01.360 that's easier for you. You don't have to email us 300 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:04.600 during the show. You can email us before we go live, 301 00:14:04.620 --> 00:14:06.240 especially if you can't watch us live. The email is 302 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:09.299 wadekellerpostshow at gmail.com. And you can also be a caller 303 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:11.299 on camera or turn your camera off and be an 304 00:14:11.620 --> 00:14:14.629 audio-only caller. The link to that changes every show. You 305 00:14:14.649 --> 00:14:17.970 can find it in the aforementioned TV report covering Dynamite. 306 00:14:18.830 --> 00:14:19.129 All right. 307 00:14:19.950 --> 00:14:24.110 Oh, Dennis, tell people about your contributions to PWTorch. Oh, yeah. 308 00:14:24.580 --> 00:14:24.860 Okay. 309 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:27.519 Yeah, no, I read the Rising and Fading Stars column 310 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:31.860 on PWTorch.com. Yeah, just goes over some fun stuff with 311 00:14:31.899 --> 00:14:33.720 who I think is doing well on television, who I 312 00:14:33.750 --> 00:14:36.789 think is not doing well. Sometimes it can be what's 313 00:14:36.809 --> 00:14:38.570 going on on television. Sometimes it can just be kind 314 00:14:38.590 --> 00:14:41.389 of bad luck. Like who's on my Fading Stars this 315 00:14:41.429 --> 00:14:44.590 week is poor Jay White, who's injured yet again. 316 00:14:44.610 --> 00:14:46.419 I don't know, man. 317 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:50.039 I just, maybe he, I don't know. Sometimes players have 318 00:14:50.059 --> 00:14:52.690 to leave teams. to become, you know, and then to 319 00:14:52.730 --> 00:14:55.549 get better. And maybe he needs to leave AEW. And, 320 00:14:55.730 --> 00:14:57.690 you know, I would love for him to be healthy 321 00:14:57.710 --> 00:15:00.690 in AEW, but there's something up that he cannot get 322 00:15:00.750 --> 00:15:02.889 healthy and stay healthy. I don't think it was like 323 00:15:02.929 --> 00:15:04.620 this when he was in New Japan. It doesn't feel 324 00:15:04.649 --> 00:15:09.779 like it was. So, yeah, it's very strange. But, yeah, 325 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:11.620 there was one thing I wanted to tell you about 326 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:14.399 off the beaten path thing that I found. Did you 327 00:15:14.419 --> 00:15:17.100 hear about Baron Ron Rasky wrestling this past weekend? 328 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:17.899 No. 329 00:15:19.100 --> 00:15:22.269 So... He was at some, like it was called a 330 00:15:22.309 --> 00:15:25.629 wrestling company called Dreamwave. They had him there for autograph signings, 331 00:15:25.690 --> 00:15:27.570 and then they ran some sort of like gauntlet match, 332 00:15:27.649 --> 00:15:29.389 and they had him come in at number 10, and 333 00:15:29.909 --> 00:15:31.850 he put the claw on somebody and then eliminated two 334 00:15:31.870 --> 00:15:35.169 people in one. So, yeah. I thought that was pretty 335 00:15:35.309 --> 00:15:39.009 interesting because 86, I mean, he was from the AWA days, right? 336 00:15:39.389 --> 00:15:40.210 I believe. 337 00:15:40.230 --> 00:15:44.470 He wrestled. He defeated Big John Studd in a Loser 338 00:15:44.509 --> 00:15:48.320 Leaves Town match on the first wrestling event I ever attended. 339 00:15:49.259 --> 00:15:52.940 in 1981 and uh what he was one of my 340 00:15:52.980 --> 00:15:55.039 earliest memories in the late late 70s when i first 341 00:15:55.100 --> 00:15:57.700 as a little kid started watching he scared me his 342 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:01.960 promos were like immersive and believable and uh i have 343 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:04.139 a faint recollection of him leaving for a while and 344 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:06.379 then i think mad dog with sean got injured and 345 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:08.820 then baron came back and said mad dog called me 346 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:11.019 and asked me to come back or you know brought 347 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:13.679 me back to fill in for him and and uh 348 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:16.090 and oh i was just spooked as a kid and 349 00:16:16.179 --> 00:16:18.710 so I wish when I met him, he was more delightful. 350 00:16:18.750 --> 00:16:21.850 He was not, not the most pleasant person to meet. Uh, um, 351 00:16:22.230 --> 00:16:24.129 like 10 years ago at some of the wrestling conventions 352 00:16:24.169 --> 00:16:27.070 I was at, um, seemed a little old school or cold. 353 00:16:27.129 --> 00:16:28.549 And I I've been warned about that. It doesn't mean 354 00:16:28.570 --> 00:16:31.009 he's not nice to his people. He people, he likes 355 00:16:31.049 --> 00:16:34.320 friends and family, but, um, a little bit, uh, yeah, 356 00:16:34.340 --> 00:16:36.120 a little bit cold, but it doesn't matter. I mean, 357 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:39.179 he was, uh, amazing to watch as a kid. And yeah, 358 00:16:39.220 --> 00:16:41.820 that went after he beat big John stud back in 359 00:16:41.860 --> 00:16:44.720 those days, you could like run. There weren't like, um, 360 00:16:46.269 --> 00:16:49.250 barricades where the wrestlers came through. The AWA wrestlers were 361 00:16:49.269 --> 00:16:51.230 just wild and proud. And so I ran up to 362

00:16:51.269 --> 00:16:54.090 Big John Studd and he was sobbing. He was sobbing 363 00:16:54.210 --> 00:16:56.269 because he lost in the Leaf Town. And that's when 364 00:16:56.309 --> 00:16:58.250 I believed all the guys at my mom's work who 365 00:16:58.269 --> 00:16:59.960 were telling her that wrestling was fake. They couldn't be 366 00:16:59.980 --> 00:17:01.720 because John Studd wouldn't be crying if it was fake. 367 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:05.400 He was really sad he lost. Of course, of course. Yeah, 368 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:10.640 so it was fun to wipe away the skepticism. But yeah, 369 00:17:10.660 --> 00:17:15.160 Baron was a real mainstay in my early AWA years. 370 00:17:16.140 --> 00:17:17.559 That's what I thought. And it wasn't for his first 371 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:18.420 match in 30 years. 372 00:17:18.460 --> 00:17:21.299 So he hasn't done anything like in the ring since 96, 373 00:17:21.299 --> 00:17:23.480 which he was, he would have been what? 374 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:24.380 56 at that point. 375 00:17:24.619 --> 00:17:27.859 So, yeah. Uh, yeah, he was, he was, he still 376 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:30.859 looks 56. He looked 56 in 1981 when he was like, 377 00:17:31.180 --> 00:17:34.569 you know, 30. Um, he always, he always joke about it. 378 00:17:34.569 --> 00:17:37.950 He just perpet, he forever 56 actually. I, yeah, maybe 379 00:17:37.990 --> 00:17:41.170 forever 59. I don't know. Um, yeah, he always, I mean, 380 00:17:41.190 --> 00:17:41.950 I mean, something about him. 381 00:17:42.049 --> 00:17:45.400 Yeah. There were, they, uh, Wrestling figures became a thing 382 00:17:45.420 --> 00:17:46.700 when I was a kid a lot. So, you know, 383 00:17:46.740 --> 00:17:47.779 I grew up with the big rubber ones. 384 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:48.619 But I also. 385 00:17:48.380 --> 00:17:51.519 Remember getting a set of the AWA ones at, like, 386 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:53.039 a yard sale when I was a kid. So I 387 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:55.880 had a Baron Von Raschke, like, you know, in his hand. 388 00:17:56.539 --> 00:17:58.680 Everyone else's hands were, like, straight out. And his was 389 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:00.890 in the claw, of course. You know, so it was 390 00:18:00.910 --> 00:18:02.109 pretty cool. It was pretty neat looking. 391 00:18:02.150 --> 00:18:03.009 Yeah. 392 00:18:03.329 --> 00:18:04.009 Awesome. It was fun. 393 00:18:05.049 --> 00:18:06.329 Yeah. All right. Good memories. 394 00:18:06.609 --> 00:18:06.789 Yeah. 395 00:18:06.930 --> 00:18:09.769 Yeah. Awesome. That's fun. I'm surprised I didn't hear about that. 396 00:18:10.869 --> 00:18:11.109 Okay. 397 00:18:11.869 --> 00:18:15.130 Let's see. Topic number two, we are going to get 398 00:18:15.150 --> 00:18:18.750 a best of five series with FDR in the Motor 399 00:18:18.769 --> 00:18:20.980 City Machine Guns, which I'm there for that. 400 00:18:22.019 --> 00:18:22.440 Absolutely. 401 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:26.460 I hope when the Machine Guns came out. Oh,

by 402 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:28.460 the way, the Machine Brian Cage and the Machine Guns. 403 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:29.599 We just can't win, can we? 404 00:18:30.460 --> 00:18:30.920 No. 405 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:34.609 Yes. So, yeah, the Machine Guns came out to like 406 00:18:34.869 --> 00:18:36.910 what seemed like no reaction from the crowd. 407 00:18:36.930 --> 00:18:37.470 Right, right. 408 00:18:38.109 --> 00:18:40.529 And so they got to do something to build them 409 00:18:40.609 --> 00:18:41.869 up a little bit if they're going to make a 410 00:18:41.869 --> 00:18:44.369 big deal out of this. So that bummed me out. 411 00:18:44.390 --> 00:18:45.809 I think I probably bummed out Saban and Shelly, too, 412 00:18:45.849 --> 00:18:47.819 that they didn't get a little bit better of a reaction. 413 00:18:48.210 --> 00:18:52.640 That said, I'm stoked for the idea of FTR and 414 00:18:52.740 --> 00:18:56.279 the Guns having a best-of-five series starting at WrestleDream. Sean 415 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:59.140 Radican texted me, PLU Torch columnist. He said, Wade, Tony 416 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:00.819 doesn't usually do those things where he teases a match 417 00:19:00.859 --> 00:19:02.869 and then doesn't do it, where the crowd gets upset. 418 00:19:03.289 --> 00:19:09.599 And I just replied, well, it is Cleveland. Oof. Yeah. 419 00:19:09.619 --> 00:19:12.980 I mean, you stole their football team. 420 00:19:13.019 --> 00:19:15.940 So, well, Hey, Hey, you know, ours was stolen though, too. 421 00:19:15.980 --> 00:19:18.039 And it's sort of, sort of, you know, the Mayflower 422 00:19:18.059 --> 00:19:19.180 trucks arriving out in the middle of the night. I 423 00:19:19.180 --> 00:19:20.339 don't know if you know that story about the. 424 00:19:20.299 --> 00:19:21.420 Colts from here. 425 00:19:21.460 --> 00:19:23.880 Like it's like whenever we see Mayflower moving trucks, like 426 00:19:24.099 --> 00:19:27.039 anyone that knows about that is, is scarred because all 427 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:28.099 it was was Mayflower trucks. 428 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:29.900 They, they, they left in the middle of the night. 429 00:19:29.779 --> 00:19:31.289 When the Colts left. I remember that. I remember that 430 00:19:31.349 --> 00:19:31.740 as a kid. 431 00:19:31.769 --> 00:19:33.309 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 432 00:19:33.349 --> 00:19:33.569 Yeah. 433 00:19:33.710 --> 00:19:36.329 So, um, but, oh yeah. 434 00:19:36.700 --> 00:19:38.220 Nick Wayne is cutting a pro in the middle of 435 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:38.819 the ring right now. 436 00:19:39.500 --> 00:19:40.339 Yeah. 437 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:41.740 A great, a great young punk. 438 00:19:42.180 --> 00:19:44.109 He is, he is dapper. He is dapper. 439 00:19:44.130 --> 00:19:45.990 Yeah, no, he's yeah. It's great. 440 00:19:46.490 --> 00:19:48.430 I really hope that this feud continues to go his 441 00:19:48.490 --> 00:19:49.769 way that he's doing with Jericho. 442 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:54.059 With Jericho. I want him to... I'm looking forward to 443 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:58.099 watching this when we're not live streaming. But I want 444 00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:00.839 him to tone down the facial expressions a bit because 445 00:20:00.940 --> 00:20:09.039 he has a real natural heel demeanor that I think 446 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:12.680 can really get heat for years to come for as 447 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:16.599 long as he's a heel. And I know not everybody 448 00:20:16.980 --> 00:20:20.569 is thrilled with Jericho feuding with him. Zach Barber in 449 00:20:20.589 --> 00:20:22.789 the chat says, as usual, Chris Jericho can't put over 450 00:20:22.829 --> 00:20:24.490 the young guy and go away. 451 00:20:24.509 --> 00:20:26.930 Well, not yet. Not yet. 452 00:20:27.450 --> 00:20:28.970 Got to give it time. I think it's going to 453 00:20:29.009 --> 00:20:32.210 go this way. I thought that the first match, I 454 00:20:32.250 --> 00:20:34.410 was mad. I was pretty mad about that in the 455 00:20:34.430 --> 00:20:36.019 first match. And then You know, the second one, he 456 00:20:36.059 --> 00:20:37.380 got him. And I think now the third one, he 457 00:20:37.420 --> 00:20:40.640 can beat him clean, right? That's the hope. Unless Jericho 458 00:20:40.700 --> 00:20:43.359 is going to go full on and become what he hated, 459 00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:47.529 you know, going on in WCW 30 years ago. When 460 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:49.589 the older guys wouldn't let him go up. Like, is 461 00:20:49.609 --> 00:20:50.910 he really going to become that guy? 462 00:20:51.450 --> 00:20:54.150 So, I don't know. Possibly. Possibly. 463 00:20:54.170 --> 00:21:00.069 Need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling podcasts? 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compatible with popular podcast apps on 478 00:21:51.269 --> 00:21:54.730 iPhone and Android devices, or you can stream them directly 479 00:21:54.769 --> 00:21:58.650 from our ad-free VIP mobile site. See you in the Paradise! 480 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:06.009 Yeah, I can't mention Nick Wayne's current character without talking 481 00:22:06.029 --> 00:22:09.289 about 1-2-3 Kid, the Lightning Kid. Oh, absolutely. In Global Wrestling. 482 00:22:09.369 --> 00:22:16.740 He was so... They're so similar in many ways. Yeah, 483 00:22:16.900 --> 00:22:17.500 I agree. 484 00:22:17.539 --> 00:22:19.720 We were talking about FTR and Minister of Machine Guns. 485 00:22:19.740 --> 00:22:20.059 That's right. 486 00:22:20.740 --> 00:22:23.430 I'm very glad that they're doing it, but.... 487 00:22:24.849 --> 00:22:26.250 I thought it was also where they did a couple 488 00:22:26.289 --> 00:22:30.269 of WWE type things tonight with, with, uh, with, with 489 00:22:30.289 --> 00:22:31.690 the pulling the mat, like saying we're going to do 490 00:22:31.710 --> 00:22:34.269 the match and then not doing the match. And then, um, 491 00:22:35.349 --> 00:22:38.309 Davis pinning mocks is very, you know, right before the 492 00:22:38.349 --> 00:22:40.069 pay-per-view when they have a match is pretty much the, 493 00:22:40.190 --> 00:22:42.549 like a WWE formula prior to the, to pay-per-views or 494 00:22:42.630 --> 00:22:43.029 used to be. 495 00:22:43.529 --> 00:22:44.509 So, yeah. 496 00:22:44.809 --> 00:22:46.880 Um, but I do, I do think that this is, 497 00:22:47.109 --> 00:22:49.789 this is going to finally, finally set a murder city 498 00:22:49.829 --> 00:22:51.109 machine guns up to, to do something. 499 00:22:51.150 --> 00:22:53.089 I actually wrote that down that they finally have something 500 00:22:53.130 --> 00:22:53.349 to do. 501 00:22:53.940 --> 00:22:56.089 But I think that they were when they got signed, 502 00:22:56.190 --> 00:22:57.650 they got signed at a weird time and they shouldn't 503 00:22:57.670 --> 00:22:59.690 have debuted when they did because they were their band 504 00:22:59.730 --> 00:23:01.309 was on tour at the time. 505 00:23:01.410 --> 00:23:03.920 So it was weird. It was weird when they signed. 506 00:23:03.779 --> 00:23:05.140 Them and then they put them right on television and 507 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:06.720 then they took them away for what, two months. 508 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:09.460 And now they're finally back. But I think it's good. 509 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:10.680 Yeah. 510 00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:15.410 Yeah. I have mixed feeling. I think the guns shouldn't 511 00:23:15.529 --> 00:23:19.410 have been. they should have saved them to debut in 512 00:23:19.450 --> 00:23:21.490 AW for when, like this moment, I would just have 513 00:23:21.509 --> 00:23:23.119 them come out here. I think they would have gotten 514 00:23:23.130 --> 00:23:24.720 a pop, but to have them come back and then 515 00:23:24.740 --> 00:23:26.099 just sort of be put on the shelf. It's like 516 00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:29.259 they got sent down to the minors or scratched. If 517 00:23:29.299 --> 00:23:31.619 you're using NHL comments, like, Oh, they're not, you know, 518 00:23:31.779 --> 00:23:33.259 they had other things they want to get done. The 519 00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:36.329 TLC match among them at which Adam Copeland called it 520 00:23:36.369 --> 00:23:38.230 a tables, ladders, shares match. And then I'm sure the 521 00:23:38.250 --> 00:23:42.990 legal team's already like, Oh no. So I wish they 522 00:23:43.009 --> 00:23:46.029 had waited to introduce them. So they had a moment 523 00:23:46.069 --> 00:23:48.819 that was, to themselves and people would be like, you know, 524 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.299 it would have been, oh my God, this is awesome, whatever. 525 00:23:51.539 --> 00:23:53.359 And instead it's kind of like they came around and 526 00:23:53.380 --> 00:23:55.519 weren't around and it made it seem, it diminished them. 527 00:23:55.539 --> 00:23:57.619 I think it defined them down a bit and took 528 00:23:57.660 --> 00:24:00.059 away some of the impact that they could have had. 529 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:02.329 So anyway, I mean, there wasn't, this seemed to be 530 00:24:02.349 --> 00:24:03.490 a master plan for them at the beginning. 531 00:24:04.369 --> 00:24:05.710 No, no, they debuted them on Collision. 532 00:24:05.750 --> 00:24:07.410 So I mean, really all it was is they happened 533 00:24:07.430 --> 00:24:09.789 to be in Detroit. They were in Detroit that weekend. 534 00:24:09.829 --> 00:24:11.789 And I think that that was what they did it for. 535 00:24:11.950 --> 00:24:13.990 And then they went away and then they came back. 536 00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:17.619 When was that? I can't remember. There was like a 537 00:24:17.660 --> 00:24:20.579 promo or something that they came back for. Oh, it 538 00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:23.339 was at All In is when they came back out 539 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:25.920 and they walked down the ramp. And then we haven't 540 00:24:25.940 --> 00:24:28.740 seen them since then either, I don't think. So just weird. 541 00:24:29.309 --> 00:24:31.150 Just weird start to it. But I think that these 542 00:24:31.210 --> 00:24:32.150 matches could be great. 543 00:24:34.309 --> 00:24:37.049 I think they are likely to be great unless, you know, 544 00:24:37.109 --> 00:24:41.069 if all four guys are on their game and not 545 00:24:41.250 --> 00:24:43.089 aging out, as Adam Copeland said, and I haven't seen 546 00:24:43.130 --> 00:24:46.430 signs of that. It should be really good. Derek Mitchell 547 00:24:47.859 --> 00:24:50.039 comments in the chat, I don't mind FTR versus most 548 00:24:50.059 --> 00:24:52.880 city machine guns, but they continue the trend of non-reactions 549 00:24:52.900 --> 00:24:55.200 from the crowd. Saban saying, AW is the best tag 550 00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:57.740 division ever. Well, I know he's selling the division, but 551

00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:00.539 I don't think so. Is the division strong enough right 552 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:04.809 now to say that? Young Bucks, Copeland and Christian, FTR, 553 00:25:06.029 --> 00:25:10.309 the most city machine guns. I mean, there is depth, right? 554 00:25:11.630 --> 00:25:13.829 Thank you. Yes, for sure. The new level. There is 555 00:25:13.990 --> 00:25:17.029 depth and right now novelty, especially because of new level 556 00:25:17.069 --> 00:25:19.940 being added and the guns also to a certain extent. 557 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:24.220 So does that sound like, come on, you're losing credibility 558 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:26.059 when you say that? Or do you look around at 559 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:30.950 new level bucks, FTR, et cetera, and go, no, this works. 560 00:25:31.369 --> 00:25:33.289 Brody King and Bondino too. 561 00:25:33.329 --> 00:25:33.410 Yeah. 562 00:25:36.349 --> 00:25:39.009 Has there ever been this well-established? 563 00:25:39.150 --> 00:25:43.559 I know everyone is at the 80s, the hearken back 564 00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:45.660 to the 80s in WWF or what's going on in 565 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:49.460 NWA or Mid-South as the greatest of all time. But 566 00:25:49.509 --> 00:25:54.319 for decorated tag teams, it might not be hyperbole. with 567 00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:57.089 the top teams that they have. What they don't have 568 00:25:57.119 --> 00:25:59.869 is they don't have the up-and-coming teams yet. They haven't 569 00:26:00.150 --> 00:26:02.789 established any ones that are the younger teams, which they 570 00:26:02.809 --> 00:26:04.230 should be doing with the guns. 571 00:26:05.250 --> 00:26:07.369 That's the first one that I think of. But I 572 00:26:07.410 --> 00:26:08.589 do think it's not hyperbole. 573 00:26:08.630 --> 00:26:12.099 I think it is definitely up there. If it's not 574 00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:16.000 the best ever, I think it's top three, top five. 575 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:19.960 My inclination is it's subjective, but it's not outlandish to 576 00:26:19.980 --> 00:26:20.240 say it. 577 00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:22.859 I mean, this is. 578 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:25.000 A good lineup of teams. And, you know, they could 579 00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:27.279 heat up some more homegrown teams too if they wanted 580 00:26:27.299 --> 00:26:31.339 to and crowd things a bit even more. Although Max 581 00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:33.299 Caster isn't around anymore. 582 00:26:34.460 --> 00:26:37.180 And then did you hear what he did? He said 583 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:38.440 some lines at TNA. 584 00:26:39.529 --> 00:26:40.220 Yep. Yep. 585 00:26:40.849 --> 00:26:43.910 Yeah. Rich Fan and I talked about that on the 586 00:26:43.970 --> 00:26:46.750 flagship yesterday. And it's just, I mean, the guy just 587 00:26:46.809 --> 00:26:49.309 can't help. There just comes a point where it's like, 588 00:26:49.490 --> 00:26:52.210 do you want a career? Like, he has, I don't know. 589 00:26:52.250 --> 00:26:53.849 I talked about the relationship, but he has, he always 590 00:26:53.869 --> 00:26:55.930 had talent. He didn't need to go to those places, 591 00:26:55.950 --> 00:26:58.309 but he just didn't, didn't seem to have a filter. 592 00:26:58.569 --> 00:27:00.829 Didn't kind of was kind of a quirky personality and, 593 00:27:01.529 --> 00:27:04.029 and you give him the freedom on the mic and he's, 594 00:27:04.329 --> 00:27:07.150 you know, stepped in it a few times. So he apologized, 595 00:27:07.190 --> 00:27:09.099 but yeah. 596 00:27:09.130 --> 00:27:09.410 All right. 597 00:27:09.430 --> 00:27:12.400 Yeah. It was bad. It was, it wasn't, it just 598 00:27:12.420 --> 00:27:13.700 wasn't good. It's he's yeah. 599 00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:15.059 You give him a live, but I guess that's what 600 00:27:15.099 --> 00:27:16.559 you get when you start, when you sign him, a 601 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:17.599 W stop. 602 00:27:17.420 --> 00:27:19.420 Giving him a live mic for a reason. 603 00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:21.789 Yes. So, you know, I know. 604 00:27:21.849 --> 00:27:22.029 Yeah. 605 00:27:23.549 --> 00:27:26.049 All right. Uh, so yeah. Thumbs up to that. Look 606 00:27:26.069 --> 00:27:27.970 forward to that. I think it's a good fresh matchup 607 00:27:27.990 --> 00:27:29.490 for FTR. I thought Dax was good on the mic. 608 00:27:29.549 --> 00:27:32.329 I thought Stokely was good on the mic. Um, Saban 609 00:27:32.369 --> 00:27:33.930 and Shelley were Saban and Shelley. It's always something to 610 00:27:33.950 --> 00:27:35.700 hold them back a little bit. Uh, but of course 611 00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:37.339 they were okay. You know, they were okay. 612 00:27:38.220 --> 00:27:38.500 All right. 613 00:27:38.700 --> 00:27:43.819 So, um, we got a video package explaining the rules to, uh, 614 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:50.900 clockwork carnage and, um, uh, So it's two segments, the 615 00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:55.440 gauntlet portion, and then an Ironman portion where we keep score. 616 00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:58.079 I would have stopped there with the winner gets something. 617 00:27:58.500 --> 00:28:01.640 But instead, they added this element of when the champions, 618 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:04.079 the closing lines for Renee are a champion can lose 619 00:28:04.099 --> 00:28:09.579 their title without losing the match, and the champion can 620 00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:14.359 win without getting pinned. It was just a little too 621 00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:17.500 much at the end, and I didn't think as clear 622 00:28:17.579 --> 00:28:20.809 as it needed to be. How do you feel about 623 00:28:20.829 --> 00:28:22.890 the format in general? And then how do you feel 624 00:28:22.910 --> 00:28:24.849 about that closing line? And the champ can lose the 625 00:28:24.869 --> 00:28:27.660 title without getting pinned after noting you can beat a 626 00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:29.119 champion without winning the match. 627 00:28:31.339 --> 00:28:31.980 Yeah, yeah. 628

00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:34.720 So, I mean, I think it's a little convoluted at 629 00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:36.819 the line. I understand what they were trying to say. 630 00:28:36.859 --> 00:28:38.759 They were trying to say that you can pin the 631 00:28:38.779 --> 00:28:41.049 champ during the match and he can lose, you know, 632 00:28:41.380 --> 00:28:44.069 but you're not going to win the title. And then, yeah, 633 00:28:44.349 --> 00:28:46.490 it was too convoluted. But I do get the gist 634 00:28:46.529 --> 00:28:49.829 of the match now. I feel like it, I don't know, 635 00:28:49.869 --> 00:28:52.230 it seems a bit much. It seems like it's a 636 00:28:52.250 --> 00:28:57.069 little overkill. I understand what they're going for, but why 637 00:28:57.109 --> 00:28:59.230 couldn't it just be an elimination match, like in the 638 00:28:59.230 --> 00:28:59.829 15 minutes? 639 00:29:00.349 --> 00:29:02.349 You know, you could figure out. Rich and I were 640 00:29:02.369 --> 00:29:04.720 trying to figure out Rich fan, I were trying to 641 00:29:04.740 --> 00:29:06.480 figure out like the champion thing that Tony Khan put 642 00:29:06.500 --> 00:29:09.480 on social media and explained. I'm still honestly not sure. 643 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:10.660 I get it. 644 00:29:10.940 --> 00:29:11.200 I don't. 645 00:29:11.500 --> 00:29:13.440 I mean, like, because the line is you can beat 646 00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:18.359 a champion without winning the match. And then the title 647 00:29:18.380 --> 00:29:20.490 without getting pinned. How does the champ lose the title 648 00:29:20.509 --> 00:29:21.170 without getting pinned? 649 00:29:22.390 --> 00:29:27.299 Because he's never pinned throughout the whole 15 minutes. So 650 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:29.059 the 59 golden, when you can be paying, yeah. 651 00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:29.809 So he can, yeah. 652 00:29:29.829 --> 00:29:30.930 So he can, he's never lose. 653 00:29:30.769 --> 00:29:32.410 On points, but you're not involved in the, so it's 654 00:29:32.430 --> 00:29:33.970 like a four way or three way. 655 00:29:34.029 --> 00:29:34.589 Yeah. 656 00:29:34.789 --> 00:29:35.170 Yeah. 657 00:29:35.210 --> 00:29:35.750 Yeah. Yeah. 658 00:29:35.970 --> 00:29:37.710 So that's that. But again, we just, we, we had 659 00:29:37.730 --> 00:29:40.859 to figure it out here. And well, and also convoluted. 660 00:29:41.380 --> 00:29:41.630 Yeah. 661 00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:43.460 And then she said, you can beat a champion without 662 00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:46.420 winning the match. Does that mean you can become champion, 663 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:48.779 but still not have enough points to win the match? 664 00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:52.180 No, you can beat, you could pin Will Ospreay only 665 00:29:52.220 --> 00:29:54.039 get one point and someone else gets two points. 666 00:29:54.740 --> 00:29:55.339 They win the match. 667 00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:56.099 Yeah. 668 00:29:56.779 --> 00:29:58.380 So you beat Will Ospreay, but you didn't win the match. 669 00:29:58.859 --> 00:30:00.160 What I don't like about that phrasing, and then I'll 670 00:30:00.180 --> 00:30:02.819 move on, is I don't think people are thinking, well, 671 00:30:03.059 --> 00:30:05.500 if you beat a champion, because there's going to be 672 00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:08.079 multiple champions in the match, probably in the Ironman portion, 673 00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:10.859 if the rules are clear, it's by points. So why 674 00:30:10.900 --> 00:30:12.460 would you say you can beat a champion but not 675 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:16.779 win a match when it's clear? Anybody can beat anybody 676 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:18.660 and get a point. So it made it sound like 677 00:30:18.700 --> 00:30:21.069 you can become a champion in the midst of the 678 00:30:21.089 --> 00:30:25.650 match without actually winning the match that you're in. And 679 00:30:25.690 --> 00:30:29.200 that's what I think Rich... was confused about that too yesterday. 680 00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:32.900 So it's just, I don't, I don't know. I don't 681 00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:34.839 think they needed to say any of that. Honestly, I 682 00:30:34.859 --> 00:30:36.220 think it just made it seem like something else is 683 00:30:36.259 --> 00:30:38.759 going on. Um, and they could have stuck with, I 684 00:30:38.779 --> 00:30:40.420 don't mind the format by the way. Like I don't 685 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:43.119 mind gauntlet. And then if you don't make it, you 686 00:30:43.140 --> 00:30:44.880 don't make it to the next phase and the next 687 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:45.400 phase it's. 688 00:30:45.819 --> 00:30:47.079 I like the beginning for sure. 689 00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:47.759 Yeah. 690 00:30:47.779 --> 00:30:49.619 I like the beginning for sure. But I, I would 691 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:53.599 have rather just kept it. I mean, I guess an elimination, 692 00:30:53.619 --> 00:30:53.960 I don't know. 693 00:30:54.079 --> 00:30:54.380 I don't know. 694 00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:56.079 There's something I don't like about it, but I can't 695 00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:56.880 figure out what it is. 696 00:30:57.529 --> 00:30:59.769 But I think it'll be an exciting match, though. 697 00:31:00.029 --> 00:31:01.849 I mean, with everybody that's involved. 698 00:31:02.130 --> 00:31:04.829 And I assume at least one's going to get pinned 699 00:31:04.990 --> 00:31:08.390 in that first 24 minutes or 20 minutes or whatever 700 00:31:08.430 --> 00:31:08.670 it is. 701 00:31:09.690 --> 00:31:10.470 Yeah. 702 00:31:10.490 --> 00:31:13.019 Yeah. As well as matches where maybe you don't put 703 00:31:13.059 --> 00:31:14.819 a ton of thought into it. Watch it happen, and 704 00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:16.440 then you'll know. 705 00:31:16.460 --> 00:31:16.880 Yeah. 706 00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:17.900 And it might be really good. 707 00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:18.779 Yeah. 708 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:19.700 Definitely. 709 00:31:20.660 --> 00:31:22.460 Rude Dog in the chat says, I

can't believe WrestleDream 710 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:24.119 is this weekend. That was a very poor buildup, and 711 00:31:24.140 --> 00:31:25.559 I have no idea still what's going on with the 712 00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:28.299 format of the championship match. So, No, you're not alone, 713 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:30.940 Rude Dog. By the way, Rich Van and I previewed 714 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.579 the entire lineup on the flagship. That's our blue logo show. 715 00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:37.190 Dropped last night. Encourage everybody to go give that a listen. 716 00:31:37.210 --> 00:31:39.789 We talked a lot about a variety of other topics, too. 717 00:31:39.869 --> 00:31:41.890 Rich loved TNA Bound for Glory, by the way. He 718 00:31:41.950 --> 00:31:43.869 reviewed that near the end of the show. And we 719 00:31:43.890 --> 00:31:46.769 also talked a lot about the 946 and the Bloodline 720 00:31:46.990 --> 00:31:51.210 and Penta. If you discovered us on YouTube, that is 721 00:31:51.730 --> 00:31:54.880 audio only. It's podcast only. So search Wade Keller. in 722 00:31:54.890 --> 00:31:57.539 your podcast app of choice, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or whatever 723 00:31:57.579 --> 00:31:59.440 app you use, or you can stream it directly from 724 00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:03.819 our website. Search Wade Keller to subscribe to The Flagship 725 00:32:04.339 --> 00:32:06.740 and give it a listen. The Flagship usually drops on 726 00:32:06.779 --> 00:32:10.039 Tuesday night to recover just a wide array of topics. Also, 727 00:32:10.299 --> 00:32:15.259 search PW Torch and subscribe to the PW Torch Daily Cast. 728 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:17.660 There's a different show each day of the week with 729 00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:20.329 a different theme and a different pair of co-hosts, including 730 00:32:20.390 --> 00:32:24.109 the All Elite Conversation Club with Greg Kanter and Joel Donnell. 731 00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:29.660 that drops on the DailyCast lineup for free. There's also 732 00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:37.279 the 90s PastCast, the Wrestling Coast to Coast, PWT Talks NXT, 733 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:39.759 Wrestling Night in America after pay-per-views and PLEs, and more. 734 00:32:40.420 --> 00:32:42.740 You gave a shout-out to the 90s PastCast. Do you 735 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:44.839 want to give a little plug to that? 736 00:32:44.940 --> 00:32:46.859 Oh, of course. I love Alex and Patrick. 737 00:32:48.140 --> 00:32:50.579 I sent them trivia this week, so they'll have my 738 00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:52.549 trivia to read this week. 739 00:32:52.589 --> 00:32:56.180 Only a few questions, but Yeah, they're great. And they're 740 00:32:56.259 --> 00:32:58.019 in such a good time right now. I mean, it's 741 00:32:58.019 --> 00:32:58.670 30 years ago. It's 96. 742 00:32:58.660 --> 00:33:04.029 NWO is three months in. They haven't ruined the NWO 743 00:33:04.089 --> 00:33:07.329 just yet. It's good times. It's good listening to them 744 00:33:08.109 --> 00:33:10.809

and listening to what you were talking about back then. And, yeah, 745 00:33:11.390 --> 00:33:12.109 it's a great show. 746 00:33:12.190 --> 00:33:14.589 It's great. And they get along so well. And I know. 747 00:33:14.430 --> 00:33:17.529 You've had such good luck just pairing up people and 748 00:33:17.750 --> 00:33:19.049 then working out really well. 749 00:33:19.069 --> 00:33:25.299 So, yeah, hopefully– If I get out of wrestling analysis 750 00:33:25.339 --> 00:33:26.839 and reporting, I'll just be a matchmaker. 751 00:33:28.059 --> 00:33:28.200 Yeah. 752 00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:29.359 Yeah, absolutely. 753 00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:33.119 Not necessarily romantically. Obviously not romantically. Just like friends. You 754 00:33:33.140 --> 00:33:34.960 two should hang out together. You guys would hit it off. 755 00:33:35.460 --> 00:33:37.400 I know you and I know you, and you two 756 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.279 just wouldn't want to talk every week for a couple hours. 757 00:33:40.339 --> 00:33:42.460 I can think of business as just putting people together 758 00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:46.960 for podcasts in all genres. No, honestly, you bring it up. 759 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:49.289 I don't bring it up. But like most, almost all 760 00:33:49.329 --> 00:33:53.799 the pairs, almost, not all. were me going, hmm, I 761 00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:55.740 know what you're interested in. I know what your interest is. 762 00:33:55.980 --> 00:33:58.900 I know your personalities well enough. And I know we 763 00:33:58.940 --> 00:34:01.549 want to have a show covering this theme. And then 764 00:34:01.589 --> 00:34:03.609 I pitch them to each other. And they end up 765 00:34:03.630 --> 00:34:05.609 hitting it off and becoming really good friends. Mike and 766 00:34:05.670 --> 00:34:08.150 Andrew back in the day. It's just like on and on. So, yeah, 767 00:34:08.170 --> 00:34:09.550 I take pride in that. It's fun. 768 00:34:09.710 --> 00:34:11.869 Yeah, Tyler and Zach. Yeah. 769 00:34:12.449 --> 00:34:12.710 Yes. 770 00:34:12.809 --> 00:34:15.570 So, yeah, it's a whole bunch of people. So, for sure, man. 771 00:34:15.650 --> 00:34:15.849 Yeah. 772 00:34:16.090 --> 00:34:17.090 Been going on. 773 00:34:17.070 --> 00:34:17.469 A long time. 774 00:34:18.940 --> 00:34:21.800 All right. I cannot take credit for Wrestling Coast to 775 00:34:21.820 --> 00:34:25.719 Coast because Chris and Justin have known each other for decades. Yes. 776 00:34:25.780 --> 00:34:28.949 The Wrestling Coast to Coast covering the indie scene. Anyway, yeah, 777 00:34:28.969 --> 00:34:32.650 so search PWTorch, subscribe to the Daily Cast. And while 778 00:34:32.670 --> 00:34:35.010 you're at it, please give a five-star rating on Spotify 779 00:34:35.429 --> 00:34:38.070 or Apple Podcasts if you subscribe in those areas to 780 00:34:38.349 --> 00:34:39.949 both the Red and Blue Logo shows, the Wake Up 781 00:34:39.969 --> 00:34:42.269 and Post Show and Podcasts, and also the Daily Cast. 782 00:34:42.309 --> 00:34:44.380 It really helps. Like, really, thank you if you have 783 00:34:44.420 --> 00:34:48.269 done it. And thank you in advance if you will 784 00:34:48.289 --> 00:34:51.800 do that for us also. You know that last segment 785 00:34:51.820 --> 00:34:53.860 you're just listening to and the next one that you're 786 00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:56.460 waiting to listen to? Those can be one second apart 787 00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:59.260 with a VIP membership. You can unlock our commercial-free versions 788 00:34:59.420 --> 00:35:03.199 of our shows. 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This match is more intriguing than it 799 00:35:47.469 --> 00:35:49.150 is confusing to the fan base at the moment. 800 00:35:50.269 --> 00:35:53.090 Um, I, yeah, I think so. 801 00:35:53.130 --> 00:35:55.210 I think that the, there's enough stars in it that, that, 802 00:35:55.269 --> 00:35:57.610 that it's going to be intriguing. And, um, I, I, 803 00:35:57.730 --> 00:36:00.800 I guess adding Darby, you know, what will it will, 804 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:02.239 will make me more intrigued. Cause you know, I'm a 805 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:04.559 huge Darby fan, but, uh, I don't know if it'll 806 00:36:04.579 --> 00:36:07.460 make others intrigued, but I think that just who is involved, like, uh, 807 00:36:07.539 --> 00:36:08.199 cause just. 808 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:12.940 Is it having Okada having to catch, uh, having Will Ospreay. 809 00:36:12.980 --> 00:36:16.929 Obviously, um, like it, it just, it just brings it 810 00:36:16.989 --> 00:36:18.699 like an international flavor to the whole thing. 811 00:36:18.780 --> 00:36:21.460 And I think that that's good. And I don't know, 812 00:36:21.500 --> 00:36:22.820 it's just, it's, it's going to be, it's going to 813 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:24.280 be good. I think, I don't know. 814 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:24.719 I don't know. 815 00:36:24.820 --> 00:36:27.780 It's just, it's a, it's an interesting match and there's, 816 00:36:28.219 --> 00:36:29.679 there is a lot of star power in it. And 817 00:36:29.699 -->

00:36:32.300 I think that it gives a lot of things to 818 00:36:32.340 --> 00:36:34.019 do this pay-per-view. So, yeah. 819 00:36:35.099 --> 00:36:39.699 I was not a fan of the Will Osprey, uh, speedball, 820 00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:41.409 Mike Bailey, Andrade. 821 00:36:41.550 --> 00:36:41.809 Yeah. 822 00:36:41.829 --> 00:36:45.800 The, you know, the, the, us united empire i i 823 00:36:45.820 --> 00:36:50.880 mean speedball is you know i think um adorably dorky 824 00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:53.119 uh you know they're like it's just he leans into 825 00:36:53.179 --> 00:36:55.940 it it's fine i mean he's like he's a guy 826 00:36:55.980 --> 00:36:58.400 if he came to his house um he'd welcome you 827 00:36:58.460 --> 00:36:59.820 in take him to the basement and show you all 828 00:36:59.860 --> 00:37:01.940 his karate trophies and then he'd you know make you 829 00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:04.260 for you kool-aid or you know a glass of milk 830 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:06.099 or something i mean just like he just you know 831 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:07.440 it's just and that's fine there's room for all kinds 832 00:37:07.460 --> 00:37:08.519 of people and he backs it up in the ring 833 00:37:08.579 --> 00:37:10.599 and he met his his personality matches the character he 834 00:37:10.619 --> 00:37:13.860 plays and the whole karate thing um yeah Will Ospreay 835 00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:18.960 is a bit of a goof. But I don't think 836 00:37:19.019 --> 00:37:21.820 steering into that is going to help Will Ospreay become 837 00:37:22.260 --> 00:37:25.760 a top draw. The cool factor in that segment was 838 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.010 lower than it ought to be. And I also just 839 00:37:28.090 --> 00:37:31.269 add to it, Andrade is leaning too much into that catchphrase. 840 00:37:31.309 --> 00:37:34.969 He's too delighted with himself when he says that, and 841 00:37:35.010 --> 00:37:38.190 they're leaning on it so hard. He needs to have 842 00:37:38.989 --> 00:37:43.030 more of an edge to... his persona and he's losing 843 00:37:43.130 --> 00:37:45.750 it because of this gig, which, and then in the 844 00:37:45.829 --> 00:37:48.210 match Ospreay, you know, Andrade did it again. And Giovanni goes, 845 00:37:48.230 --> 00:37:50.250 he just can't help himself. He's always got to take 846 00:37:50.289 --> 00:37:52.550 a selfie. And then Will Ospreay is to kind of 847 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.519 ham it up like DX bad dad joke era of 848 00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:58.179 Triple H and Shawn Michaels, where it's just like zany 849 00:37:58.219 --> 00:38:01.440 humor and facial expressions. And I just, I don't think it's, 850 00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:02.760 I don't think it's good for Andrade. And I don't 851 00:38:02.780 --> 00:38:05.619 think it's good for Ospreay. I don't mind Ospreay playing 852 00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:09.610 off of speedball. If he's the straight, like the, the 853 00:38:10.010 --> 00:38:14.429 cool guy, uh, with this kind of quirky but nice guy. Like,

854 00:38:14.469 --> 00:38:16.190 I don't mind Ospreay coming across as nice, but I 855 00:38:16.190 --> 00:38:18.699 don't want him to, like, play into it where he's 856 00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:21.860 doing the same thing. And I thought even his promo 857 00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:27.500 felt a little... I don't know, scripted and corny. So yeah, I, 858 00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.090 you've not, what do you think? Yeah. 859 00:38:30.130 --> 00:38:30.929 No, I would, I would agree. 860 00:38:31.090 --> 00:38:31.190 Yeah. 861 00:38:31.210 --> 00:38:32.050 I would agree with all of that. 862 00:38:32.090 --> 00:38:33.750 Like there's not much to add to that because it, 863 00:38:34.250 --> 00:38:37.070 it all is, is, is, is beneath him right now. 864 00:38:37.130 --> 00:38:39.130 Like he need, he can't be doing that, especially it 865 00:38:39.309 --> 00:38:41.289 is such a one 80 from everything with the death 866 00:38:41.329 --> 00:38:42.800 writers just three months ago. 867 00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:44.280 It does. 868 00:38:44.300 --> 00:38:45.800 It doesn't work. It doesn't make him more of a 869 00:38:45.820 --> 00:38:47.079 star and being goofy. 870 00:38:47.460 --> 00:38:49.800 Like, again, I agree playing off speedball is one thing, 871 00:38:50.250 --> 00:38:52.670 but the thing in the match was just too much. 872 00:38:52.949 --> 00:38:55.130 Not to mention, like, you had this United Empire, and 873 00:38:55.210 --> 00:38:59.889 Andrade's carrying around this shot at Will Ospreay's title. Like, it's, 874 00:39:00.289 --> 00:39:02.250 and they're not even, they're not even mentioning it together. 875 00:39:02.329 --> 00:39:04.170 It's just kind of like there, and it's kind of, 876 00:39:04.210 --> 00:39:06.760 it's a little, that's also a little strange. So, no, 877 00:39:07.070 --> 00:39:08.679 I didn't like, I didn't like any of that, and 878 00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:10.820 I'm not a big fan of the Brawling Birds, so 879 00:39:10.980 --> 00:39:12.900 adding them to the whole mix is just, all of 880 00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:16.099 it is, all of it is just, yeah, not a 881 00:39:16.099 --> 00:39:17.440 big fan. Yeah. Yep. 882 00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:23.809 So we've got Osprey, Speedball, and then Adam Copeland qualified tonight, 883 00:39:23.849 --> 00:39:27.469 Tecesta qualified, Okada qualified, Ricochet qualified since we've been on 884 00:39:27.489 --> 00:39:30.269 the air, and Samoa Joe too. and then we've got 885 00:39:30.349 --> 00:39:34.389 the likely and then the likely Derby qualification coming up 886 00:39:35.019 --> 00:39:41.219 in the main event so yeah it's an eclectic mix 887 00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:44.039 and I don't really have any predictions for what happens 888 00:39:44.059 --> 00:39:49.239 because it feels very you know almost random draw. 889 00:39:50.019 --> 00:39:52.440 Yeah, I think part of the issue is that I 890 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.579 felt this coming out of All In and into All Out. 891 00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:57.059

All Out was the first pay-per-view that I really, like, 892 00:39:57.579 --> 00:39:59.280 if we were doing thumbs up, thumbs down, would have 893 00:39:59.300 --> 00:40:03.900 been kind of in the middle. Potentially thumbs up. It 894 00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:07.590 felt that there's too many pay-per-views right now. It feels 895 00:40:07.630 --> 00:40:10.269 the turnaround for this pay-per-view is really quick, on top 896 00:40:10.329 --> 00:40:12.929 of the fact that, you know, that stuff with Pac happened. 897 00:40:13.489 --> 00:40:15.130 So there wasn't really, you know, that was just a 898 00:40:15.150 --> 00:40:18.550 tribute show. And then there was the, you know, I 899 00:40:18.570 --> 00:40:19.510 feel like, what was the next week? 900 00:40:20.070 --> 00:40:22.440 I know last, last week was, was the, the, basically 901 00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:24.559 it's a mini pay-per-view, but they're also, they also feel 902 00:40:24.579 --> 00:40:27.199 like house shows when they do the, um, what are 903 00:40:27.219 --> 00:40:27.579 they called? 904 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:28.519 Oh my goodness. 905 00:40:28.820 --> 00:40:31.440 It's living. Oh, grand slam. The grand slam ones. Yeah. 906 00:40:31.539 --> 00:40:31.679 Yeah. 907 00:40:31.699 --> 00:40:33.539 They're, they're, they're like many, they call them any pay 908 00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:35.119 reviews or that's what people seem to think they are. 909 00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:37.489 And they, they're more like house shows to me. Like 910 00:40:37.510 --> 00:40:39.789 that's what the setup even looks like more like a 911 00:40:39.809 --> 00:40:40.539 house show set up. 912 00:40:41.010 --> 00:40:43.289 So they didn't build up this show at all. It just. 913 00:40:43.739 --> 00:40:46.159 This pay-per-view has come on really fast. And I think 914 00:40:46.179 --> 00:40:48.780 that the whole match is suffering from that as well. 915 00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:51.019 That it just kind of had to come on really quickly. 916 00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:53.940 And even all the qualifying matches are happening tonight. 917 00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:55.480 So you don't even know who's really in the match. 918 00:40:55.500 --> 00:40:59.010 How can you really build a match? So, yeah. 919 00:40:59.619 --> 00:41:03.050 Yeah, I was going to lead in Block A, not 920 00:41:03.070 --> 00:41:05.210 talking about Copeland, but about how it would have been 921 00:41:05.250 --> 00:41:06.730 good if there was one more week. Because we could 922 00:41:06.750 --> 00:41:08.389 have all the qualifying matches, and then you have the 923 00:41:08.449 --> 00:41:13.000 following week to... like play up, have it sink in 924 00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:15.000 with viewers, have them spend a week and a half 925 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:18.449 thinking about it a week before the wrestlers talk about it. 926 00:41:18.820 --> 00:41:21.719 You can have people who are aligned kind of talking 927 00:41:21.739 --> 00:41:25.739 about each and kind of like have a

natural sense of, 928 00:41:25.889 --> 00:41:28.909 of rivalry between people who are, who are otherwise aligned and, 929 00:41:29.050 --> 00:41:30.610 and drill home the rules a little bit more too. 930 00:41:31.030 --> 00:41:32.969 I don't want to be too critical of them though, 931 00:41:33.309 --> 00:41:37.110 because I do think part of the issue is the 932 00:41:37.150 --> 00:41:41.320 timing where they had the show dedicated to, um to 933 00:41:41.420 --> 00:41:43.940 to pock and then they had the the you know 934 00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:47.519 big kind of house show-esque show on a tuesday where 935 00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:50.409 you just we had a story i had the rating 936 00:41:50.449 --> 00:41:53.630 story up on pwtorch.com um you know talking about the 937 00:41:53.690 --> 00:41:56.190 massive drop-off it's four i think four hundred some thousand 938 00:41:56.210 --> 00:41:58.730 viewers i can't remember the exact number uh because of 939 00:41:58.789 --> 00:42:00.530 it airing on a tuesday and then they didn't promote 940 00:42:00.550 --> 00:42:02.329 it on the week before because it was dedicated to 941 00:42:02.369 --> 00:42:05.800 pock so it is um it is a bummer but 942 00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:07.019 i guess i give them a little bit of a 943 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:09.500 mulligan In the sense that, you know, some things out 944 00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:11.599 of their control happened. Derek Mitchell in the chat said, yeah, 945 00:42:11.619 --> 00:42:12.940 I think it was a short turnaround from All Out 946 00:42:12.980 --> 00:42:15.980 to WrestleDream, especially with the company devoting the show to 947 00:42:16.059 --> 00:42:21.530 honor the late Pac. So, yeah, I mean, but it's 948 00:42:21.570 --> 00:42:22.849 the price, you know, it's a bit of a price 949 00:42:22.869 --> 00:42:26.869 you pay when they're doing essentially monthly pay-per-views now, you know, 950 00:42:26.929 --> 00:42:29.429 where there's less. It used to be a really big 951 00:42:29.449 --> 00:42:31.989 deal when there was an AW pay-per-view. And now it's like, okay, 952 00:42:32.010 --> 00:42:33.349 it's just the thing I do once a month on 953 00:42:33.369 --> 00:42:34.190 a Saturday or Sunday. 954 00:42:35.030 --> 00:42:35.159 Yeah. 955 00:42:35.460 --> 00:42:36.579 And I mean, I think this year they're going to 956 00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.050 do 11 and, um, I think that's, that's, that's the 957 00:42:39.070 --> 00:42:41.769 most they've ever done. So it's not actually every, every month. 958 00:42:42.190 --> 00:42:42.650 It was nice. 959 00:42:42.690 --> 00:42:44.309 If you remember at the end of last year, it 960 00:42:44.869 --> 00:42:46.650 was like one in December, but then the next one 961 00:42:46.690 --> 00:42:49.289 wasn't until February, like, and it was near the end 962 00:42:49.329 --> 00:42:50.010 or something like that. 963 00:42:50.050 --> 00:42:51.349 So that was a nice stretch. 964 00:42:51.389 --> 00:42:54.570 This is just a really like from all into here, 965 00:42:54.610 --> 00:42:56.989 it just feels like it has, there should not have 966 00:42:57.010 --> 00:42:59.340 been a pay-per-view in between all in and this pay-per-view 967 00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:01.599 is what it kind of feels like. Cause all, if 968 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:03.440 all in is their big show, their blow off show. 969 00:43:04.260 --> 00:43:06.219 how can you not just build up maybe for at 970 00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:10.719 least six weeks? But no, again, but this, the turnaround 971 00:43:10.739 --> 00:43:13.309 between all out in this is, is obviously there was. 972 00:43:13.820 --> 00:43:17.010 Extenuating circumstances that we couldn't, you know, nobody could foresee. 973 00:43:17.030 --> 00:43:18.250 Exactly. 974 00:43:18.570 --> 00:43:18.789 Yeah. 975 00:43:18.969 --> 00:43:19.090 Yeah. 976 00:43:21.699 --> 00:43:24.539 On Tuesday nights, the conversation doesn't stop when NXT ends. 977 00:43:24.699 --> 00:43:27.280 It's just getting started. I'm Nate Lindberg, and alongside my 978 00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.900 co-host Kelly Wells, we bring you PWT Talks NXT. We 979 00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:33.559 go live on the PWTorch YouTube channel about 15 minutes 980 00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:36.260 after the show to break down matches, storylines, and surprises. 981 00:43:36.420 --> 00:43:38.599 And we take your questions and comments from the live chat. 982 00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:40.179 Miss us live, but you still want to be part 983 00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:43.360 of the show? Send your thoughts to PWTorchNXT at gmail.com 984 00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:45.969 and catch the replay on YouTube or on the PWTorch 985 00:43:46.010 --> 00:43:49.230 Daily Cast feed. Just search PWTorch on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, 986 00:43:49.349 --> 00:43:51.389 or wherever you listen. And of course, you can always 987 00:43:51.409 --> 00:43:53.469 stream the latest shows at PWTorch.com. 988 00:43:53.630 --> 00:43:58.250 All right. Let's see. I'm going to have to watch 989 00:43:59.050 --> 00:44:02.530 the rest of this on HBO Max because my DVR 990 00:44:03.989 --> 00:44:05.849 stopped recording and I was watching it on like a 991 00:44:05.889 --> 00:44:07.969 two-minute delay on DVR. I'll try to pop it on 992 00:44:08.190 --> 00:44:10.670 and keep it going. Anyway, so another comment here, and 993 00:44:10.690 --> 00:44:12.489 then we got Johnny waiting as a caller. We'll bring 994 00:44:12.510 --> 00:44:15.369 him out of the show in a moment. Derek Mitchell adds, 995 00:44:15.429 --> 00:44:17.110 AW's loading up the card, but I hope they avoid 996 00:44:17.150 --> 00:44:20.190 another bloated show with 13 matches, especially... with a two 997 00:44:20.210 --> 00:44:22.769 out of three falls trails match and the clockwork carnage 998 00:44:22.829 --> 00:44:26.360 match taking up so much space. Um, yeah, right now 999 00:44:26.380 --> 00:44:29.119 we're at nine matches. I don't think they've announced what, 1000 00:44:29.139 --> 00:44:32.599

what do they call their pre-show now? Blast, uh, blast off. 1001 00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:33.599 I don't even know. 1002 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:35.340 Yeah. Cause they don't even, they don't even put it on. 1003 00:44:35.460 --> 00:44:38.099 Like it's not on YouTube. Cause there's two different pre-shows now. Right. 1004 00:44:38.139 --> 00:44:40.030 I know it was like the wrestling free show and 1005 00:44:40.050 --> 00:44:41.789 the talking free show. So I don't even know what 1006 00:44:41.809 --> 00:44:42.730 they're called. Yeah. 1007 00:44:43.230 --> 00:44:45.989 Yeah. It was weird last time having Renee just like 1008 00:44:46.170 --> 00:44:48.940 standing there talking, which up Jarrett and, then all of 1009 00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:51.079 a sudden there's like a bell ringing and crowd reacting 1010 00:44:51.139 --> 00:44:53.780 and they don't tell you like what's, what's happening there. So, yeah. 1011 00:44:54.010 --> 00:44:57.630 But anyway, um, so yeah, so far it's not, there's 1012 00:44:57.670 --> 00:45:02.090 not nine matches. It's fine because yes, uh, uh, two, uh, 1013 00:45:02.269 --> 00:45:03.989 two out of three fall trails title match and then 1014 00:45:04.369 --> 00:45:06.360 clockwork carnage should eat up a lot of time. So. 1015 00:45:06.380 --> 00:45:07.360 Yeah. 1016 00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:09.619 Clockwork carnage is going to be 35 minutes. Like, so 1017 00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:12.820 we already know plus interest is, so that's 50 minutes. Like, 1018 00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:14.000 so that's, that's the last hour. 1019 00:45:14.019 --> 00:45:14.079 So. 1020 00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:17.179 So we all should know going in, like whenever that 1021 00:45:17.219 --> 00:45:19.320 match starts, we should just look at the clock and. 1022 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:21.139 Be like, oh boy, we know when we're going to get. 1023 00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:21.599 Out of here tonight. 1024 00:45:22.860 --> 00:45:25.780 Yep. Rude Dog, by the way, says love the 90s 1025 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:30.090 past cast. Want to get that shout out in there. 1026 00:45:30.469 --> 00:45:32.150 Zach Barber says I'm very intrigued to see how this 1027 00:45:32.190 --> 00:45:35.929 match plays out. The clockwork carnage match. Derek is happy. 1028 00:45:36.309 --> 00:45:38.550 It's a Saturday night, not a Sunday night. That's just 1029 00:45:39.130 --> 00:45:42.610 NFL season. Derek adds, Wade, I completely agree with your take. 1030 00:45:42.619 --> 00:45:45.030 The United Kingdom stable makes the conglomeration look like the 1031 00:45:45.050 --> 00:45:47.750 Death Riders in comparison. The former comes across as so 1032 00:45:48.110 --> 00:45:52.530 corny and unrelatable. Zach Barber upset with our comments on Andrade. Mine, 1033 00:45:52.630 --> 00:45:54.880 Andrade cannot win. The guy's finally over like a rover 1034 00:45:54.909 --> 00:45:56.460 with a crowd, and yet that's not a good thing 1035 00:45:56.480 --> 00:46:00.559 because he's too into his catchphrase.

Come on, Zach. We've 1036 00:46:00.579 --> 00:46:03.079 been over this. I want Andrade's over, and he's putting 1037 00:46:03.099 --> 00:46:06.820 it at risk by not seeming like he is serious 1038 00:46:06.860 --> 00:46:09.849 about winning and a serious person. And you can lean 1039 00:46:09.869 --> 00:46:11.630 too much at a shtick and it can wear out 1040 00:46:11.670 --> 00:46:13.730 its welcome. Look what happened to the acclaimed. You know, 1041 00:46:13.769 --> 00:46:16.389 it's like scissor me, daddy. And that became the entirety 1042 00:46:16.449 --> 00:46:18.449 of the entirety of their act. And there was so 1043 00:46:18.489 --> 00:46:20.659 much more potential there. And they just got wrapped up 1044 00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:24.219 in that and they stagnated. What Andrade is doing is 1045 00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:28.559 is not it's not what a serious person does. And 1046 00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:32.099 I want him you should be rooting for him. Um, he's, 1047 00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:33.340 you know, if you look at the crowd, I was 1048 00:46:33.389 --> 00:46:34.750 watching the fans behind him when he was doing the 1049 00:46:34.769 --> 00:46:37.190 selfie tonight and it's like, they're like, Oh, I'm right 1050 00:46:37.230 --> 00:46:38.670 here for this. And all this is fun. And I 1051 00:46:38.690 --> 00:46:41.480 think they take that as like validation that this should 1052 00:46:41.500 --> 00:46:45.780 be working, but what fans enjoy in a moment, it's 1053 00:46:45.820 --> 00:46:49.860 sort of like giving like. cotton candy and junior mints 1054 00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:52.909 to little kids for dinner. They're going to eat it 1055 00:46:53.050 --> 00:46:54.789 and they're going to be happy, but it's not best 1056 00:46:54.849 --> 00:46:59.050 for them. And like giving fans a fun little like 1057 00:46:59.210 --> 00:47:00.769 moment of, oh, I get to be right here to 1058 00:47:00.809 --> 00:47:02.590 see this little thing that he does. And I get 1059 00:47:02.610 --> 00:47:05.050 to say his catchphrase. That's what WWE does way too 1060 00:47:05.090 --> 00:47:09.340 much of. And AEW falls into seeming like, you know, 1061 00:47:09.380 --> 00:47:13.820 they're just a derivative of that nonsense. If it's mid-card 1062 00:47:13.860 --> 00:47:15.719 schtick and you keep it there, you can still argue 1063 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:17.929 it should be part of the AW product, but it's 1064 00:47:17.989 --> 00:47:20.789 better off there. But Andrade is carrying around a title 1065 00:47:20.809 --> 00:47:23.969 shot opportunity. He is a really good wrestler, and he 1066 00:47:23.989 --> 00:47:26.690 just shouldn't be doing lower-card schtick. So it's not that 1067 00:47:26.730 --> 00:47:29.989 Andrade can't win. It's just that when you get a 1068 00:47:29.989 --> 00:47:31.760 crowd reaction, you can get a crowd reaction for a 1069 00:47:31.780 --> 00:47:36.380 reason that actually undercuts your ceiling. I think it's defining 1070 00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:39.440 him down, or it's certainly in danger of doing that. 1071 00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:43.780 As for the Will Ospreay comments with playing off Speedball 1072 00:47:43.820 --> 00:47:46.179 and Andrade, Rude Dog says, I'm already starting to question 1073 00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:48.000 Will Ospreay being the top guy in AW. The guy's 1074 00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:50.219 talented as hell, but he's a little goofy. And I'm 1075 00:47:50.260 --> 00:47:54.699 not really into his haircut with his headband or whatever. Yeah. 1076 00:47:55.059 --> 00:47:57.619 I mean, I was, you know, he made his ring entrance, 1077 00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:00.619 you know, the music's great, crowd reacts to him, but 1078 00:48:00.659 --> 00:48:04.969 I was, I was thinking they're starting to lose their 1079 00:48:05.030 --> 00:48:09.429 chance to define him as the guy of this generation. 1080 00:48:09.590 --> 00:48:11.860 I mean, We talk about the Machine Guns kind of 1081 00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:13.860 losing their moment by just kind of hovering and just 1082 00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:15.760 debuting on Collision and just peering and not being on 1083 00:48:15.780 --> 00:48:19.539 a pay-per-view. I think there's something happening with Ospreay where 1084 00:48:19.860 --> 00:48:22.119 he is the champ, but he's just a guy with 1085 00:48:22.179 --> 00:48:26.139 a belt. It's the world belt, but they're not treating 1086 00:48:26.179 --> 00:48:30.030 him any different now. And there needs to be less 1087 00:48:30.070 --> 00:48:32.809 of a focus on, oh my God, we have a 1088 00:48:32.829 --> 00:48:36.349 new concept match, and more of a focus on what 1089 00:48:36.369 --> 00:48:38.730 does this mean for Will Ospreay, the legacy that Will 1090 00:48:38.769 --> 00:48:41.800 Ospreay can build up as champion. Is this an early 1091 00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:45.219 in his reign? Almost everything should go through, how does 1092 00:48:45.260 --> 00:48:47.320 it affect Will Ospreay? Think about when Steve Austin first 1093 00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:50.340 got over. Everything was about Stone Cold Steve Austin on 1094 00:48:50.380 --> 00:48:53.150 those Raws. And they're not doing that. They're not in 1095 00:48:53.170 --> 00:48:55.989 the Will Ospreay business. Will Ospreay is the latest guy 1096 00:48:56.010 --> 00:49:03.110 to happen to have a title. And I'm worried about that. Yeah, no. 1097 00:49:03.730 --> 00:49:08.800 As you should be. There was no... go-home promo from 1098 00:49:08.820 --> 00:49:09.480 Will Ospreay. 1099 00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:11.679 I mean, unless you call what that was backstage with 1100 00:49:11.889 --> 00:49:13.429 the United Empire go-home promo. 1101 00:49:13.449 --> 00:49:16.050 But I don't. There's nothing with that. 1102 00:49:17.190 --> 00:49:19.869 After the match, it just kind of like, kind of just, 1103 00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:22.619 didn't go to commercial no it went to the guy 1104 00:49:22.659 --> 00:49:25.280 that is what the de facto top guy in

this 1105 00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:28.489 company went to Jon Moxley backstage like and he you 1106 00:49:28.510 --> 00:49:30.750 know right at the beginning of collision so and I 1107 00:49:30.769 --> 00:49:34.110 think that maybe I thought him beating him would help 1108 00:49:34.969 --> 00:49:36.909 Will Ospreay maybe get out of the shadow a little 1109 00:49:36.929 --> 00:49:38.869 bit of Moxley and it feels like it just. 1110 00:49:40.380 --> 00:49:42.900 It made everybody a little bit more towards Jon Moxley. 1111 00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:45.960 We were in Moxley's hometown tonight, though, so maybe that 1112 00:49:46.019 --> 00:49:47.659 had a little bit to do with it. Or not 1113 00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:51.090 his hometown, but his home state. But yeah, it's weird. 1114 00:49:51.650 --> 00:49:53.829 It definitely does not feel like he is taking the ball, 1115 00:49:54.110 --> 00:49:56.190 as they say, and running with it. It feels like 1116 00:49:56.210 --> 00:49:58.289 he's just kind of like, ooh, he's happy to be here, 1117 00:49:58.789 --> 00:50:00.889 and he needs to be more serious with the title. 1118 00:50:01.469 --> 00:50:02.780 And the idea is, oh, his matches will be great 1119 00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:04.659 on pay-per-view, and people are paying to see good matches. But, 1120 00:50:04.739 --> 00:50:07.619 you know, I want the narrative, I want the machine... 1121 00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:10.179 of promoting him to make it seem like this is 1122 00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:11.500 a guy you got to buy an AWD ticket to 1123 00:50:11.539 --> 00:50:14.530 see in person. This reign, he is special. His, and, and, 1124 00:50:15.110 --> 00:50:16.409 you know, I don't know. 1125 00:50:16.730 --> 00:50:19.710 It's just, yeah, I can, you can watch matches all 1126 00:50:19.730 --> 00:50:21.309 the time. So yeah. Yeah. 1127 00:50:21.349 --> 00:50:23.150 You watch good matches all the time. That's, that's, that's 1128 00:50:23.170 --> 00:50:25.550 the argument now. Like that was the argument when AW started, 1129 00:50:25.570 --> 00:50:28.139 I got it. It was like, Oh, it's, it's not, 1130 00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:28.780 it's a good match. 1131 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:29.119 Good match. 1132 00:50:29.139 --> 00:50:29.280 Good. 1133 00:50:29.300 --> 00:50:31.880 Like it's not that anymore. We don't just, we're not 1134 00:50:31.900 --> 00:50:34.929 just tuning in for the good matches. You, there is 1135 00:50:34.989 --> 00:50:36.710 part of the fan base and probably a big part 1136 00:50:36.730 --> 00:50:38.590 of the fan base that wants the stories as well. 1137 00:50:38.929 --> 00:50:41.860 They want storylines. They don't just want good matches because 1138 00:50:42.050 --> 00:50:42.679 you want a good match. 1139 00:50:42.699 --> 00:50:45.480 You know, Ricochet versus Ace Austin is probably better than 1140 00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:47.420 anything that was on Raw 10 years ago. 1141 00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:51.900 Like, it's just, it's not. The bar has to be

1142 00:50:51.940 --> 00:50:53.360 raised a little bit, I think. 1143 00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:56.969 Yeah, agreed. Zach Barber says, so if they strip Andrade 1144 00:50:57.010 --> 00:50:59.309 of his catchphrase, his selfie, and his pants removal, what 1145 00:50:59.369 --> 00:51:01.690 does he have? Don't get me wrong. He's a super 1146 00:51:01.710 --> 00:51:03.889 talented wrestler, but those are the things that got him over. 1147 00:51:04.659 --> 00:51:07.550 So as we've talked about, Zach, I'm pretty sure what 1148 00:51:07.570 --> 00:51:09.070 I would like to see is a selfie be something 1149 00:51:09.090 --> 00:51:10.730 he does before the match or after he wins, but 1150 00:51:10.769 --> 00:51:12.769 not during a match. That's my problem with it. I'm 1151 00:51:12.789 --> 00:51:14.449 fine with him doing it. It should not be in 1152 00:51:14.489 --> 00:51:17.869 the midst of a match, especially a one-on-one title match. 1153 00:51:18.070 --> 00:51:20.690 If you're defending your title and you lose your focus, 1154 00:51:20.889 --> 00:51:24.349 I'm sorry, it just becomes a farce of a show 1155 00:51:25.050 --> 00:51:27.889 and not a simulated sports competition that you should take seriously. 1156 00:51:28.550 --> 00:51:32.840 The catchphrase is something that he can, I think, more 1157 00:51:32.889 --> 00:51:38.050 strategically use he should pick his moments to say it, 1158 00:51:38.469 --> 00:51:41.199 but he should do so in a way. Like with Zach, 1159 00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:45.280 it's sort of all or nothing. Like if you critique something, 1160 00:51:45.380 --> 00:51:47.079 you're trashing it and think it should go away, and 1161 00:51:47.099 --> 00:51:51.650 there's nuance. And I think I'm clear with my criticism 1162 00:51:51.789 --> 00:51:54.989 of this, but I'll make sure that I reinforce it here. 1163 00:51:55.849 --> 00:51:57.949 I think the catchphrase is fine, but I think he seems, 1164 00:51:58.110 --> 00:52:00.139 as I said, too delighted with himself when he says it. 1165 00:52:00.179 --> 00:52:00.860 Like, oh. 1166 00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:04.960 this is the thing I'm about to say it. Everybody 1167 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.730 get ready. I'm a grown man, but I'm like, I'm 1168 00:52:07.750 --> 00:52:09.670 like the kid who plays peekaboo on the airplane with you. 1169 00:52:09.929 --> 00:52:11.389 This is going to be fun. I'm going to say 1170 00:52:11.429 --> 00:52:14.369 my phrase. And it's like, it's, it's undignified. I don't 1171 00:52:14.429 --> 00:52:17.789 take him seriously when he's so excited about it. It's like, 1172 00:52:18.179 --> 00:52:23.280 you know, uh, you know, so, um, that's my issue 1173 00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:28.070 is it seems childish and, um, But I think he 1174 00:52:28.090 --> 00:52:30.530 can say the catchphrase, but I think he should say 1175 00:52:30.550 --> 00:52:32.889 it in a more serious way, not where he's just 1176 00:52:32.909 --> 00:52:34.820 delighted with himself because he has a catchphrase that's over. 1177 00:52:36.460 --> 00:52:38.960 No, I absolutely agree with that. I've had a problem 1178 00:52:38.980 --> 00:52:41.940 with the catchphrase for a while now. Just the way 1179 00:52:41.980 --> 00:52:43.280 that he's been building up to it. 1180 00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:43.659 I agree. 1181 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:47.199 It's much better if they can just work it into 1182 00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:50.059 a promo. and it feel way more natural rather than 1183 00:52:50.099 --> 00:52:50.460 the buildup. 1184 00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:50.960 It would be better. 1185 00:52:51.019 --> 00:52:54.119 And I liked the idea of the selfie during the entrance, dude, that's, 1186 00:52:54.260 --> 00:52:56.460 that's like Bret Hart giving the glasses to a kid, man. 1187 00:52:56.480 --> 00:53:02.599 That's like, that's great. Exactly. 1188 00:53:02.619 --> 00:53:04.219 And you would in the crowd would be all hyped 1189 00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:05.980 about it. Cause whoever gets to be in the picture 1190 00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:08.239 kind of thing. Like, no, I think that wouldn't, that 1191 00:53:08.260 --> 00:53:12.239 would endear him more to the crowd than what he does. Um, and, 1192 00:53:12.659 --> 00:53:15.199 the pants thing is whatever, like have that, have him 1193 00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:17.130 do that right at, right. As they're getting ready to 1194 00:53:17.170 --> 00:53:18.409 ring the bell, have them do it right. As they're 1195 00:53:18.429 --> 00:53:20.269 getting ready to ring the bell, you know, right before 1196 00:53:20.289 --> 00:53:21.969 they do it, like the ref points at his pants, 1197 00:53:21.989 --> 00:53:22.550 you're going to take. 1198 00:53:22.449 --> 00:53:24.130 Them off and he rips them off. And then you 1199 00:53:24.170 --> 00:53:27.920 get the, the woo. Yeah, whatever. But yeah, I agree. 1200 00:53:27.940 --> 00:53:30.480 There's ways to mitigate or like to switch around and 1201 00:53:30.500 --> 00:53:32.940 just kind of like tweak what he's doing for it 1202 00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:34.599 all to work really well. 1203 00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:38.800 And my vote would be to not do the pants thing. Period. 1204 00:53:39.070 --> 00:53:40.630 I think the selfie. 1205 00:53:40.969 --> 00:53:41.150 Yeah. 1206 00:53:41.190 --> 00:53:43.050 I think it's, I think if he did like twice 1207 00:53:43.090 --> 00:53:46.460 a year in a certain context, um, that sort of, 1208 00:53:46.630 --> 00:53:50.670 it came up naturally. Uh, but yeah. Um, anyway, Zach 1209 00:53:51.090 --> 00:53:53.789 did say, uh, okay, that'll make sense, Wade. So he's, 1210 00:53:53.949 --> 00:53:55.309 he's good. 1211 00:53:55.530 --> 00:53:55.710 Good. 1212 00:53:55.789 --> 00:53:56.329 I'm glad we were good. 1213 00:53:56.349 --> 00:53:56.429 Good. 1214 00:53:56.809 --> 00:53:58.730 Right there. And he says also, please get him some 1215 00:53:58.750 --> 00:54:00.780 tearaway pants. So he doesn't get, they don't get stuck. 1216 00:54:01.179 -->

00:54:01.500 Of course. 1217 00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:02.500 Yeah. 1218 00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:03.360 Yeah. 1219 00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:05.599 Uh, Derek Mitchell says, yeah, I'm ready. He's morphing into 1220 00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:08.940 Tiffany Stratton. Tiffy time. Or if you're not, he's saying indeed. 1221 00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:09.780 Yeah. 1222 00:54:10.940 --> 00:54:14.329 Um, And Derek Mitchell says, and this is not an 1223 00:54:14.369 --> 00:54:17.150 endorsement of Andrade doing this. Wade, do you remember that 1224 00:54:17.190 --> 00:54:19.030 Marcus Bagwell used to do the pants gimmick in Global 1225 00:54:19.050 --> 00:54:21.829 Wrestling Federation as the handsome stranger? I forgot about that, 1226 00:54:21.849 --> 00:54:24.289 but I totally believe it. 1227 00:54:24.710 --> 00:54:25.409 Oh, man. 1228 00:54:25.429 --> 00:54:27.900 Yeah. Did he have like a little bow tie too? 1229 00:54:28.059 --> 00:54:29.539 Or was that when he was American Males? 1230 00:54:29.619 --> 00:54:30.980 I don't remember. I think it was more American Males, 1231 00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:33.539 but he had the mysterious mask, right? 1232 00:54:33.739 --> 00:54:36.380 Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. 1233 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:36.659 Yep. 1234 00:54:36.940 --> 00:54:37.320 I remember that. 1235 00:54:37.340 --> 00:54:42.159 Handsome stranger. Yeah. Before pushing play on the Wade Keller 1236 00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:45.519 Pro Wrestling Post Shows, check out PWTorch.com and our TV 1237 00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:48.500 review section and skim through a full rundown of the 1238 00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:50.320 TV show. 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And also check out 1243 00:55:03.929 --> 00:55:06.550 our NXT and Impact coverage on Tuesdays and Thursdays, our 1244 00:55:06.570 --> 00:55:08.750 Collision reports on Saturday nights, and of course our live 1245 00:55:08.789 --> 00:55:11.880 pay-per-view and PLE coverage on weekends all waiting for you 1246 00:55:12.070 --> 00:55:17.960 at pwtorch.com all right let's bring uh johnny into the 1247 00:55:17.980 --> 00:55:19.539 program you can be a caller too check out my 1248 00:55:19.579 --> 00:55:21.559 report at pw torch if you're just joining us uh 1249 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:23.239 there's a link at the top and bottom of my 1250 00:55:23.300 --> 00:55:26.320 dynamite report at pwtorch.com and you can click on that 1251 00:55:26.380 --> 00:55:28.400 link and join us should work on your phone or 1252 00:55:28.420 --> 00:55:31.199 your laptop uh johnny welcome good to see you talk 1253 00:55:31.219 --> 00:55:32.039 to you again it's been a while. 1254 00:55:33.139 --> 00:55:35.320 Hey guys yeah i've been a little while but um 1255 00:55:36.809 --> 00:55:40.369 kind of excited for WrestleDream and the Clockwork Garnage match 1256 00:55:40.429 --> 00:55:43.010 I think is going to be fun even if I 1257 00:55:43.030 --> 00:55:46.070 don't love the concept I think Wade the conversation you 1258 00:55:46.090 --> 00:55:47.889 and Rich had yesterday kind of brought me around a 1259 00:55:47.909 --> 00:55:50.989 little bit on it as a concept and made me 1260 00:55:51.010 --> 00:55:54.170 more excited for it and probably the quality of wrestlers 1261 00:55:54.190 --> 00:55:55.610 that they've actually put in the match has made me 1262 00:55:55.650 --> 00:55:57.090 excited for it as well because I think it's what 1263 00:55:57.130 --> 00:55:58.750 we often ask for of like if you're going to 1264 00:55:58.769 --> 00:56:00.550 do a match like this put in top quality and 1265 00:56:00.570 --> 00:56:02.809 when they started with Mike Bailey I was like oh 1266 00:56:03.429 --> 00:56:05.670 this might not be a great match but the quality's 1267 00:56:05.710 --> 00:56:07.829 really come around And then as I was watching the show, 1268 00:56:07.849 --> 00:56:10.570 I was like, well, the quality's there, but all of 1269 00:56:10.610 --> 00:56:12.829 these matches feel predictable, and I would have liked to 1270 00:56:12.889 --> 00:56:15.550 see one upset, I think, in the mix. 1271 00:56:15.750 --> 00:56:19.099 Right. Yeah, I was thinking, Rich and I were talking 1272 00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:23.059 about that, and it's just like, I wanted to not 1273 00:56:23.300 --> 00:56:25.159 manufacture false. 1274 00:56:25.179 --> 00:56:28.340 To just introduce a bit of ability to who's going 1275 00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:28.579 to be. 1276 00:56:29.900 --> 00:56:31.860 Yeah, well, I was thinking, is there a match here 1277 00:56:31.969 --> 00:56:37.429 for the sake of podcast conversation where I can go, okay, 1278 00:56:37.510 --> 00:56:40.239 maybe we can make a case for Ace Austin winning 1279 00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:42.960 or at just Sarah winning. And I was like, not 1280 00:56:42.980 --> 00:56:45.179 just for the underdog winning, but also maybe to give 1281 00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:49.280 the other, the favorite, a reason to be upset or 1282 00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:51.280 do something else on the card. And I couldn't come 1283 00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:53.030 up with it. So I didn't do it. Like I'm staring. 1284 00:56:53.050 --> 00:56:54.409 I'm like, can I make a case for one of 1285 00:56:54.429 --> 00:56:56.789 these qualifying matches? It just was, you know, it's one 1286 00:56:56.809 --> 00:56:59.369 of the AW things. It is, there's, you know, it's 1287 00:56:59.389 --> 00:57:00.590 going to go 12 minutes and the guy who you 1288 00:57:00.610 --> 00:57:01.849 expect to win is going to win and it's going 1289 00:57:01.869 --> 00:57:05.110 to be competitive. And that's, that's what we got, you know, from, 1290 00:57:05.860

--> 00:57:08.280 peripherally watching collision. That seems to be what we're in 1291 00:57:08.300 --> 00:57:10.219 the midst of watching with, uh, at just zero two. 1292 00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:13.619 So yeah. Um, uh, Dennis, what do you think about, uh, 1293 00:57:13.900 --> 00:57:16.699 having an upset? And if you were going to do it, 1294 00:57:16.699 --> 00:57:18.280 it doesn't mean it had to be a sauce and winning. 1295 00:57:18.699 --> 00:57:21.699 It could be somebody else you actually want to see in, uh, 1296 00:57:21.780 --> 00:57:23.360 no dig on a sauce, but you could have had 1297 00:57:23.380 --> 00:57:25.579 an underdog who actually be kind of fun to have 1298 00:57:25.820 --> 00:57:29.179 in the clockwork carnage match that might elevate him. Um, 1299 00:57:29.889 --> 00:57:31.510 you know, I don't know. I don't know who that 1300 00:57:31.530 --> 00:57:33.230 would be. I'd have to look at the roster. Dennis. 1301 00:57:33.409 --> 00:57:36.000 Yeah, no, uh, no, I, I think, uh, I actually 1302 00:57:36.019 --> 00:57:37.679 looked at the whole card and that's what that, that 1303 00:57:37.699 --> 00:57:39.530 was kind of part of the part of the problem 1304 00:57:39.570 --> 00:57:41.449 tonight was like, everything felt predictable. 1305 00:57:41.510 --> 00:57:43.010 It felt very just straightforward. 1306 00:57:43.349 --> 00:57:45.090 But if, I mean, if you were going to have 1307 00:57:45.110 --> 00:57:46.809 an upset, it's probably the one that's going on now 1308 00:57:46.849 --> 00:57:49.610 would be edges arrow, like beating Darby Darby Darby can 1309 00:57:49.630 --> 00:57:52.369 sustain a loss. Uh, and then Darby could be in 1310 00:57:52.409 --> 00:57:54.670 a match just very quickly. If they wanted to throw 1311 00:57:54.710 --> 00:57:56.349 him in something, there's no reason to, we. 1312 00:57:56.289 --> 00:57:56.909 Have nine matches. 1313 00:57:57.170 --> 00:58:00.170 I'm not advocating for it, but you know, it's possible, 1314 00:58:00.210 --> 00:58:06.769 but yeah, no, I, uh, But I also think that 1315 00:58:07.610 --> 00:58:09.590 Darby's star power in the match also helps the match. 1316 00:58:09.670 --> 00:58:12.050 So, you know, it is a step down having Hedges' 1317 00:58:12.110 --> 00:58:13.320 arrow in there. No offense to Hedges' arrow. 1318 00:58:13.699 --> 00:58:16.519 But, yeah, I think that the star power is what, 1319 00:58:16.659 --> 00:58:19.260 like Johnny said, is what is drawing about the match. 1320 00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:22.139 Like the fact that they're doing that is huge. But 1321 00:58:22.940 --> 00:58:24.880 having an upset tonight would have been nice. But I 1322 00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:27.320 think that you got that with, you got the O 1323 00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:32.840 moment with Mox when Davis just pinned him. So I 1324 00:58:32.860 --> 00:58:36.510 think that was– they went straight talk everywhere. 1325 00:58:36.230 --> 00:58:37.650 Else because I think they were like, oh, I think 1326 00:58:37.690 --> 00:58:38.630 this will surprise people. 1327 00:58:39.909 --> 00:58:41.210 By the way, Zach Barb is upset with you, Dennis. 1328 00:58:41.230 --> 00:58:45.550 He goes, hey, Speedball is quality. Or was it you, Johnny? 1329 00:58:46.050 --> 00:58:48.610 Who said– was it you, Johnny? Oh, sorry. Dennis, I 1330 00:58:48.630 --> 00:58:50.889 could tell in your face that you weren't the one. 1331 00:58:51.309 --> 00:58:55.710 I cast those versions the wrong way. Johnny, Speedball is 1332 00:58:55.769 --> 00:59:00.289 the least– he is in the PWI 500, I am confident, 1333 00:59:00.489 --> 00:59:05.949 the lowest ranked. Compared to Takeshita, Okada, Ricochet, Copeland, Samoa Joe, 1334 00:59:05.989 --> 00:59:08.280 and Will Ospreay. I say confidence, but maybe they didn't 1335 00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:10.809 have Joe as high because he hasn't been as active. 1336 00:59:10.829 --> 00:59:14.920 So I could be wrong on that. But overall, in 1337 00:59:14.940 --> 00:59:15.920 a five-year average. 1338 00:59:17.179 --> 00:59:18.699 I like Steeple, right? But he would have been a 1339 00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:21.219 good candidate to be in a matchup this week to 1340 00:59:21.260 --> 00:59:23.360 get an upset victory to come in. I think people 1341 00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:25.860 would be excited by that. But given that he was 1342 00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:28.340 the first, it's kind of like he set the bar 1343 00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:31.840 for kind of And that just gave the feeling of, oh, 1344 00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:34.099 this is going to be another one of these multi-man 1345 00:59:34.139 --> 00:59:36.820 matches with a bunch of not real contenders. And the 1346 00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:38.500 quality is higher than that. And I think they just 1347 00:59:38.539 --> 00:59:40.860 framed it incorrectly to get us there. 1348 00:59:41.489 --> 00:59:42.340 Yeah, fair enough. 1349 00:59:43.469 --> 00:59:45.230 But I do want to go to. 1350 00:59:46.789 --> 00:59:47.230 Mark Davis. 1351 00:59:47.250 --> 00:59:51.230 I just really enjoy Mark Davis. He's been a real revelation. 1352 00:59:51.369 --> 00:59:53.570 I know he kind of got the win tonight to 1353 00:59:53.730 --> 00:59:56.809 lose on the pay-per-view. But honestly, I would just have 1354 00:59:56.849 --> 00:59:57.710 him win on the pay-per-view. 1355 00:59:57.949 --> 00:59:58.610 I would too. 1356 01:00:00.219 --> 01:00:02.500 He's just doing great. And like, why not give someone 1357 01:00:02.539 --> 01:00:04.079 like him the ball in the same way that they 1358 01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:06.239 kind of did with Kyle Fletcher. And like Kyle Fletcher 1359 01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:09.059 is one of my favorites right now. I would just 1360 01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:12.360 be doing the same thing with Mark Davis, but I 1361 01:00:12.380 --> 01:00:15.710 think it's going to just lose to the Moxie special on, 1362 01:00:15.849 --> 01:00:17.849 on Saturday, which is not a bad spot to be, 1363 01:00:17.989 -->

01:00:19.489 but I just think it's a great time to try 1364 01:00:19.530 --> 01:00:19.949 something new. 1365 01:00:20.929 --> 01:00:23.510 He's been good enough. Even though, even there's that promo 1366 01:00:23.530 --> 01:00:26.789 that kind of got people's attention a month or two back. 1367 01:00:27.389 --> 01:00:30.070 He is, there's enough there. And I like the idea 1368 01:00:30.110 --> 01:00:34.090 that he's different. He stands out as being really different 1369 01:00:34.110 --> 01:00:35.949 from most of the pushed wrestlers. I mean, you get, 1370 01:00:35.969 --> 01:00:38.070 I don't know, the Machine Brian Cage and Lance Archer, 1371 01:00:38.090 --> 01:00:41.210 they're big, but they're not pushed. Mark, because it just, 1372 01:00:41.769 --> 01:00:43.849 I don't know. I mean, I'm sure Brian Cage could 1373 01:00:43.889 --> 01:00:47.789 make an argument why he should get more of a push. 1374 01:00:48.250 --> 01:00:50.829 But Archer's, you know, and even Archer could have protected more. 1375 01:00:50.849 --> 01:00:53.690 But nevertheless, the big guys, Brody King kind of got 1376 01:00:53.730 --> 01:00:55.730 like little start and stop pushes, little, you know, in the, 1377 01:00:56.190 --> 01:01:00.789 continental classic situations and such. But Mark Davis, I think, 1378 01:01:00.829 --> 01:01:05.369 has a higher upside than all of them. I mean, 1379 01:01:05.389 --> 01:01:08.780 I hesitate to say that with Brody King, but it's 1380 01:01:08.820 --> 01:01:11.380 more of a compliment to Mark Davis than saying I'm 1381 01:01:11.420 --> 01:01:18.039 losing faith in Brody being a credible, sustained, top-of-the-second-tier, bottom-of-the-first-year 1382 01:01:18.059 --> 01:01:21.119 single star who visits main events. I think Davis can 1383 01:01:21.139 --> 01:01:23.530 do that. He hasn't been defined down as much. Now, 1384 01:01:23.989 --> 01:01:27.380 we had that intriguing... segment at the kind of after the, uh, 1385 01:01:27.460 --> 01:01:28.760 the dynamite main event, I guess we'll call it at 1386 01:01:28.780 --> 01:01:31.219 the end of the second hour of bleeding into the third, uh, 1387 01:01:31.420 --> 01:01:36.420 where Mox had a bit of a meltdown, a breakdown. Um, and, uh, Renee, 1388 01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:39.440 his wife kind of didn't break character, but you kind 1389 01:01:39.460 --> 01:01:42.179 of were like, Ooh, she's been here before. Maybe, um, 1390 01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:44.539 you know, what's going on, what hurts. And he goes everything. 1391 01:01:45.460 --> 01:01:48.320 And then he, uh, Marina Shafir kneeled down and gave 1392 01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:51.110 him a pep talk and said, the only way to 1393 01:01:51.150 --> 01:01:52.730 get over this is to go through it. I think 1394 01:01:52.750 --> 01:01:56.139 it was the phrase roughly. And then Mox was kind 1395 01:01:56.159 --> 01:01:58.829 of like, okay, that's what I needed to hear. So 1396 01:01:59.090 --> 01:02:03.909 they're either setting up Moxley to

lose and really break down, 1397 01:02:04.250 --> 01:02:07.590 or the pep talk from Shafir is going to be 1398 01:02:07.630 --> 01:02:09.849 enough to give him kind of a new direction and 1399 01:02:09.889 --> 01:02:12.170 a new course. Dennis, what do you think of that? 1400 01:02:13.110 --> 01:02:15.670 No, I think it's totally possible. 1401 01:02:15.769 --> 01:02:18.889 I think Mox has had issues with certain wrestlers before. 1402 01:02:19.130 --> 01:02:21.199 You know, he had the Kyle O'Reilly issue. Kyle O'Reilly 1403 01:02:21.219 --> 01:02:23.280 just kind of beat him. Why can't Davis be that 1404 01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:27.010 wrestler as well? I think that Davis is, like you said, 1405 01:02:27.070 --> 01:02:29.519 Davis has not been defined down the way Brody King 1406 01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:33.840 has within the singles realm. So I think that that definitely, 1407 01:02:34.099 --> 01:02:36.539 him winning would be huge also for Davis. And I 1408 01:02:36.579 --> 01:02:40.500 think Davis has had a great 2026 so far. It's 1409 01:02:40.539 --> 01:02:43.550 really been impressive. And just that his finisher is just, 1410 01:02:44.250 --> 01:02:46.789 it's nasty. I'm glad that Mox didn't kick out. I 1411 01:02:46.809 --> 01:02:49.449 thought he was going to, but I was really glad 1412 01:02:49.469 --> 01:02:51.670 he didn't because that finisher needs to be protected. 1413 01:02:51.849 --> 01:02:54.019 It looks punishing. So I love it. 1414 01:02:54.070 --> 01:02:54.190 Yeah. 1415 01:02:55.179 --> 01:02:58.449 We talk about tag teams, too. Davis and Doyle. You know, 1416 01:02:58.469 --> 01:03:00.050 we talk about tag team depth. They could. 1417 01:03:00.230 --> 01:03:00.429 Yeah. 1418 01:03:00.829 --> 01:03:01.570 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1419 01:03:01.829 --> 01:03:02.269 Definitely. 1420 01:03:02.610 --> 01:03:06.889 Yeah. Johnny dropped off. I don't think I did that. 1421 01:03:06.909 --> 01:03:11.130 I think we just lost the connection. Oh. So, yeah. 1422 01:03:11.449 --> 01:03:12.679 He's on the other side of the world, right? 1423 01:03:13.340 --> 01:03:13.570 Yeah. 1424 01:03:13.659 --> 01:03:15.579 Well, at least he has an accent that makes it 1425 01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:18.070 seem like he is. Yeah. 1426 01:03:18.150 --> 01:03:18.829 I'm not sure. 1427 01:03:19.309 --> 01:03:20.929 We got a cat on a lap. It's always a 1428 01:03:20.929 --> 01:03:22.230 good podcast when a cat shows up. 1429 01:03:22.269 --> 01:03:22.849 Yes. 1430 01:03:23.150 --> 01:03:24.690 This is Luna. This is Luna. 1431 01:03:24.730 --> 01:03:24.909 Yeah. 1432 01:03:24.949 --> 01:03:27.409 She's a, my wife got her for her birthday this year. 1433 01:03:27.510 --> 01:03:29.170 So she's a lift her up. 1434 01:03:29.179 --> 01:03:29.679 I want to see her. 1435 01:03:30.139 --> 01:03:30.679 There she is. 1436 01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:32.119 There she is. Yeah. 1437 01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:35.440 She's a little cutie. Definitely a little cutie. Yeah. She 1438 01:03:35.659 --> 01:03:36.480 didn't like that. 1439 01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:37.179 Yeah. 1440 01:03:37.219 --> 01:03:39.909 She was a, she's very, very sweet. Very sweet girl. 1441 01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:40.369 Yeah. 1442 01:03:40.409 --> 01:03:41.250 She's been a good little girl. 1443 01:03:41.949 --> 01:03:42.809 Awesome. Awesome. 1444 01:03:43.190 --> 01:03:43.309 Yeah. 1445 01:03:44.510 --> 01:03:47.710 Let's see. So, yeah, Johnny, you're welcome to call back. 1446 01:03:47.849 --> 01:03:53.889 I did not intend to delete you. Shout out to Luna, 1447 01:03:54.110 --> 01:03:56.349 for sure. All right, we had a Super Chat earlier. 1448 01:03:56.389 --> 01:03:59.309 Let's circle back. Zach Barber, thank you for the Super Chat. 1449 01:03:59.329 --> 01:04:02.610 It says, I've compared Chris Jericho to David Coverdale of Whitesnake. 1450 01:04:02.630 --> 01:04:04.670 At least Coverdale knew he couldn't hit the high notes 1451 01:04:04.710 --> 01:04:08.250 anymore and retired last year. Jericho's not self-aware enough for that. 1452 01:04:08.269 --> 01:04:09.650 I am. 1453 01:04:11.380 --> 01:04:14.880 I am up and down on Jericho's push, but I 1454 01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:17.059 don't have a lot of criticism what's going on here. 1455 01:04:17.139 --> 01:04:19.539 As long as in the end, you know, he loses. 1456 01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:23.280 Nick Wayne is not being defined down by interacting with 1457 01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:27.250 Chris Jericho. It's kind of been a collision feud. It's 1458 01:04:27.289 --> 01:04:32.230 not like they're featuring it, you know, over-featuring it on Dynamite. 1459 01:04:32.250 --> 01:04:32.369 Right. 1460 01:04:34.110 --> 01:04:36.590 So, I don't know. I mean, I think it's been fine. 1461 01:04:36.630 --> 01:04:40.289 I mean, Nick Wayne is the wrestler you would create 1462 01:04:40.309 --> 01:04:44.250 in a laboratory to be an annoying heel for the 1463 01:04:44.309 --> 01:04:47.010 legendary Chris Jericho in the final stands of his career, 1464 01:04:47.340 --> 01:04:48.880 who can also have a good match with him by 1465 01:04:48.940 --> 01:04:54.099 bumping like crazy for Jericho. So, to me, it's kind 1466 01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:57.519 of perfect if you're going to have Jericho around. And 1467 01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:00.889 I think if you are Nick Wayne and you go, Well, 1468 01:05:00.929 --> 01:05:02.590 Jericho's kind of old and worn out as well. And 1469 01:05:02.610 --> 01:05:04.250 people like Zach Barber don't want him around anymore. They're 1470 01:05:04.269 --> 01:05:06.710 sick of him. If I'm Nick Wayne, I lobby to 1471 01:05:06.750 --> 01:05:08.929 have a feud with Chris Jericho as long as there's 1472 01:05:08.969 --> 01:05:12.199 enough give and take. And in the end, Jericho puts 1473 01:05:12.219 --> 01:05:15.940 him over. I have not seen. Have you, Dennis, an 1474 01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:18.780 example where you thought, Jericho says he's putting him over, 1475 01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:22.460 but it's

all about him. I haven't sensed that here. 1476 01:05:23.469 --> 01:05:25.719 No no not not in no with this feud no 1477 01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:27.449 it feels like jericho knows what he's doing and i 1478 01:05:27.570 --> 01:05:29.619 and i'm really hopeful that he does put him over 1479 01:05:29.659 --> 01:05:32.320 in um because he's they're wrestling at the pay-per-view so 1480 01:05:32.500 --> 01:05:34.619 i guess we'll find out in three days whether what's 1481 01:05:34.659 --> 01:05:36.500 going on with this but i i do think in 1482 01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:38.480 the end he's going to put him over and where 1483 01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:40.400 they go from there after that i don't know but 1484 01:05:40.500 --> 01:05:44.159 i it's definitely not bad for nick wayne at 22 1485 01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:48.329 to be wrestling chris jericho right now this is this 1486 01:05:48.349 --> 01:05:50.480 is a classic story that they've told for, you know, 1487 01:05:50.539 --> 01:05:53.739 generations in wrestling, the older guy wrestling, the new, the 1488 01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:54.260 new young guy. 1489 01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:57.300 Like this is, this is classic wrestling for, in my opinion. 1490 01:05:57.320 --> 01:05:58.780 So no, I, I'm all for this. 1491 01:05:59.179 --> 01:06:01.619 I was very worried when he, when Jericho won, I 1492 01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:04.730 didn't like that of course, but I was also worried 1493 01:06:04.750 --> 01:06:06.630 when Jericho came back that he was going to try 1494 01:06:06.650 --> 01:06:09.170 to wedge himself into some sort of main event scene 1495 01:06:09.210 --> 01:06:09.849 or something like that. 1496 01:06:09.909 --> 01:06:10.809 And that has not happened. 1497 01:06:11.150 --> 01:06:14.070 Like I'm, I've been actually pleasantly surprised with where they've 1498 01:06:14.110 --> 01:06:15.190 placed Jericho. 1499 01:06:14.849 --> 01:06:15.349 When he got back. 1500 01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:20.730 No, we'll say, Zach Barber said, can Jericho announce 2026 1501 01:06:20.730 --> 01:06:24.610 will be his last year in wrestling? I see what 1502 01:06:24.650 --> 01:06:27.929 he did there. 2027 is a tour of Copeland, but Jericho, 1503 01:06:27.949 --> 01:06:29.650 the clock is ticking. Two and a half months left. 1504 01:06:30.150 --> 01:06:32.389 The problem, Zach, I don't want you to lose sleep 1505 01:06:32.449 --> 01:06:35.980 over this, is with 2027 being Copeland's last year, I 1506 01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:38.619 think Jericho has to stick around now until at least 1507 01:06:38.619 --> 01:06:42.119 2028 because you don't want to share the spotlight and 1508 01:06:42.139 --> 01:06:45.280 retire in the same year as Copeland. That wouldn't be 1509 01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:46.090 fair for either of them. 1510 01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:50.760 No, no, no. Definitely not. Definitely not. 1511 01:06:50.820 --> 01:06:52.739 I don't think that either one of their egos would 1512 01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:54.340 allow that to

happen either. 1513 01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:57.489 I don't hear anything about– I don't think Copeland has 1514 01:06:57.570 --> 01:06:59.909 as big of an ego as Jericho. So, yeah. 1515 01:07:02.429 --> 01:07:02.929 Hey, everyone. 1516 01:07:02.989 --> 01:07:05.710 Greg Parks here. You've probably heard me hosting Wrestling Night 1517 01:07:05.730 --> 01:07:08.820 in America after pay-per-views and also co-hosting the Tuesday Flagship 1518 01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:12.179 with Wade Keller. I also host a VIP-exclusive podcast every 1519 01:07:12.199 --> 01:07:14.960 week called Greg Parks Out Loud. In this podcast, I 1520 01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:17.460 delve into a single topic for around 20 minutes, perfect 1521 01:07:17.500 --> 01:07:19.380 length for one of your daily commutes or while walking 1522 01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:22.159 the dog. A couple of my recent episodes included a 1523 01:07:22.179 --> 01:07:25.019 look at TNA as they move to AMC and WWE 1524 01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:28.420 and AEW injuries for the year 2025. You can listen 1525 01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:31.300 to VIP podcasts with a VIP membership on many platforms, 1526 01:07:31.420 --> 01:07:34.400 including on Patreon, Spotify, the Apple Podcasts native app on 1527 01:07:34.500 --> 01:07:37.519 iPhone and CarPlay, just about every popular iOS and Android 1528 01:07:37.539 --> 01:07:39.840 podcast app out there, and even stream right from the 1529 01:07:39.929 --> 01:07:44.829 ad-free PWTorch VIP website. Full details on VIP membership at pwtorch.com 1530 01:07:44.869 --> 01:07:48.489 slash govip. As an added bonus, VIP membership means you 1531 01:07:48.530 --> 01:07:51.429 won't hear this commercial again or any commercials as commercial 1532 01:07:51.449 --> 01:07:53.969 breaks are skipped right over on the VIP podcast feed 1533 01:07:54.150 --> 01:07:56.809 in addition to all the commercial-free VIP podcasts. 1534 01:07:57.190 --> 01:07:57.610 Check it out. 1535 01:07:57.769 --> 01:07:59.670 We'd love for you to join our community and unlock 1536 01:07:59.750 --> 01:08:02.030 access to all our VIP exclusive content. 1537 01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:07.119 By the way, who do you think had a better career? 1538 01:08:07.619 --> 01:08:13.789 Copeland or Jericho? Who's a bigger star? better matches, bigger 1539 01:08:13.849 --> 01:08:19.529 name when all is said and done. Um, Jericho started 1540 01:08:19.550 --> 01:08:20.649 years before. 1541 01:08:21.090 --> 01:08:22.310 That's what I was going to say. It might be, 1542 01:08:22.399 --> 01:08:24.300 it might be Jericho because of that. 1543 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:27.600 Um, Jericho had all of this stuff outside of WWE 1544 01:08:27.640 --> 01:08:30.720 and all of Copeland stuff is inside of WWE. And 1545 01:08:30.819 --> 01:08:34.729 you know, however, however that's taken, uh, I don't know. 1546 01:08:34.789 --> 01:08:37.739 It's close, though. I think that that is a good 1547 01:08:38.119 --> 01:08:42.500 one for sure. Edge also spent all that time in 1548 01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:45.159 a tag team before he became a single star and 1549 01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:47.460 is decorated in that way, and Jericho doesn't have that 1550 01:08:47.500 --> 01:08:49.560 type of decoration. I mean, he's got his tag stuff 1551 01:08:49.579 --> 01:08:53.489 with Big Show and stuff like that in WWE, but 1552 01:08:54.010 --> 01:08:55.149 he's not known as a tag guy. 1553 01:08:55.630 --> 01:08:58.560 I don't know. That's a good one. Definitely a good one. 1554 01:08:58.569 --> 01:08:59.109 What do you think? 1555 01:08:59.630 --> 01:09:01.949 Yeah i put jericho ahead okay yeah. 1556 01:09:01.850 --> 01:09:03.989 Okay that's my first inclination is jericho yeah yeah. 1557 01:09:04.149 --> 01:09:06.979 I think i think copeland was a nice kind of 1558 01:09:07.609 --> 01:09:11.560 at his peak third or fourth biggest star but not 1559 01:09:11.579 --> 01:09:17.520 a draw at the level not a a Jericho at 1560 01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:20.539 his peak was more of a defining character for the 1561 01:09:20.579 --> 01:09:23.380 generation or the era that he was a top star. 1562 01:09:23.590 --> 01:09:28.449 And then Copeland, um, Copeland was a serviceable main event 1563 01:09:28.550 --> 01:09:31.189 and tag team wrestler who got moments in the world 1564 01:09:31.210 --> 01:09:35.850 title scene, but was never the guy. Jericho was never 1565 01:09:36.149 --> 01:09:39.930 the guy, but he was more the guy than Copeland. 1566 01:09:40.090 --> 01:09:43.569 I would argue was as edge, but more so I 1567 01:09:43.609 --> 01:09:49.090 think it's, um, the, the, Yeah, it's hard to put 1568 01:09:49.109 --> 01:09:51.550 words to it, but there's no doubt in my mind 1569 01:09:51.590 --> 01:09:54.810 Jericho's a bigger star than Copeland, but trying to explain why, 1570 01:09:54.829 --> 01:09:58.229 because I keep thinking, okay, but Copeland had, Edge had 1571 01:09:58.250 --> 01:10:00.489 the feud with Cena, and then Christian Cage and TLC, 1572 01:10:00.529 --> 01:10:02.109 and you can talk about all the stuff, and the 1573 01:10:02.149 --> 01:10:04.970 Randy Orton greatest match ever, and everything in between. There's 1574 01:10:04.989 --> 01:10:08.850 so much there, but the totality of what Jericho did, international, 1575 01:10:09.869 --> 01:10:14.229 he was more cutting edge, he reinvented himself so many times, 1576 01:10:15.220 --> 01:10:19.189 match quality better, not a dig at edge edge was 1577 01:10:19.229 --> 01:10:24.789 really good but um jericho was better and so yeah 1578 01:10:24.810 --> 01:10:25.989 i don't know with your thoughts. 1579 01:10:26.590 --> 01:10:28.909 And even even um the thing with with jericho too 1580 01:10:29.010 --> 01:10:31.649 is i mean i actually was i wrote into the 1581 01:10:31.909 --> 01:10:34.229 90s past cast about it uh when i was mad 1582 01:10:34.270 --> 01:10:36.729 about uh him beating nick wayne but i did say 1583 01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:39.279 like in the the era

they're in in a couple 1584 01:10:39.300 --> 01:10:41.140 of years he's probably one of my favorite probably is 1585 01:10:41.180 --> 01:10:44.380 my favorite wrestler at the time like he's he definitely 1586 01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:47.689 connected with the younger crowd. Cause I'm, I'm like 1920 1587 01:10:47.689 --> 01:10:50.569 at that point. Um, he's definitely connected with like me 1588 01:10:50.970 --> 01:10:53.289 and everybody like that. And then his transfer over, he 1589 01:10:53.350 --> 01:10:55.930 still has the greatest, probably the greatest debut ever. 1590 01:10:56.729 --> 01:10:59.109 Like when they, when everyone was jumping ship back and forth. 1591 01:10:59.170 --> 01:11:02.239 But in WCW and WWF back then his debut for 1592 01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:04.939 raw is like, I still can see it, like everything 1593 01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:09.270 that happened to it. So, um, you've got that aspect, uh, he, 1594 01:11:09.289 --> 01:11:11.470 you know, the, the one that he always talked about 1595 01:11:11.510 --> 01:11:14.029 in WWE was the, that he beat the rock and 1596 01:11:14.090 --> 01:11:17.329 sit and, uh, stone cold in the same night, all 1597 01:11:17.350 --> 01:11:18.029 that fun stuff. 1598 01:11:18.569 --> 01:11:20.869 Did he mention that ever after it happened? Oh yeah. 1599 01:11:20.970 --> 01:11:21.369 Every week. 1600 01:11:21.470 --> 01:11:23.310 Yeah. As he should. 1601 01:11:23.390 --> 01:11:25.229 Right. Just like Nick Wayne, Nick Wayne should say he 1602 01:11:25.250 --> 01:11:28.229 beat the first ever AEW champion forever when he does it. 1603 01:11:28.260 --> 01:11:30.890 So, um, no, I'm, I'm, I'm with it. 1604 01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:34.250 Uh, but yeah, it's, I, I, I was wondering if 1605 01:11:34.310 --> 01:11:37.890 my biases of my love for young Jericho was teething, 1606 01:11:37.909 --> 01:11:41.880 but I would probably go Jericho. 1607 01:11:41.939 --> 01:11:43.619 Even when he was the top guy, he was never 1608 01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:44.380 really the top guy. 1609 01:11:44.460 --> 01:11:46.960 Even when he won the world title, there was all 1610 01:11:46.979 --> 01:11:52.010 of that shenanigans with Vince McMahon. It's a good debate, though. 1611 01:11:52.060 --> 01:11:54.229 That is one that is way closer than you would think. 1612 01:11:54.390 --> 01:12:01.750 I think if we ran a poll, who is a 1613 01:12:01.750 --> 01:12:05.369 bigger star? Maybe we will. I think it would be 1614 01:12:05.989 --> 01:12:09.649 like 85% would say Jericho is a bigger star. I 1615 01:12:09.710 --> 01:12:11.529 think it would be that. I do. I think it 1616 01:12:11.550 --> 01:12:13.930 would be that decisive. I think if we added nuance 1617 01:12:14.149 --> 01:12:16.750 and said, who is a bigger star and by how much? 1618 01:12:16.970 --> 01:12:19.369 Jericho by a little, Jericho by a lot. I think 1619 01:12:19.390 --> 01:12:21.750 Jericho by a little would get a little more than 1620 01:12:21.789 --> 01:12:24.930 half of

the votes that Jericho got. But I still 1621 01:12:25.770 --> 01:12:27.100 think so. I think a lot of people would think 1622 01:12:27.109 --> 01:12:30.699 Jericho was a much bigger star than Copeland compared to 1623 01:12:31.060 --> 01:12:32.880 people thinking Copeland was a much bigger star than Jericho. 1624 01:12:33.460 --> 01:12:35.260 So we'll see. Maybe I'll create that poll. We'll put 1625 01:12:35.300 --> 01:12:38.020 it on PWTorch. It's kind of a fun exercise to 1626 01:12:38.060 --> 01:12:39.560 get a little bit of a sample there. 1627 01:12:40.420 --> 01:12:40.819 Yeah. 1628 01:12:41.970 --> 01:12:45.649 So I'm keeping an eye on... Did Darby win or lose? 1629 01:12:45.770 --> 01:12:47.510 I know that just turned into chaos. 1630 01:12:47.550 --> 01:12:47.869 He won. 1631 01:12:48.449 --> 01:12:48.770 Yeah, he won. 1632 01:12:48.789 --> 01:12:49.069 He won. 1633 01:12:49.149 --> 01:12:51.149 All right. So he got beat up afterwards. And then 1634 01:12:51.189 --> 01:12:58.430 Copeland accidentally speared, of course, Ospreay. So that gives them... 1635 01:12:58.390 --> 01:13:00.670 So we had the chaos at the end. You know, 1636 01:13:00.689 --> 01:13:01.970 when we talk about, well, they didn't do enough to 1637 01:13:01.989 --> 01:13:05.640 build up, I want to call it capital carnage or 1638 01:13:06.100 --> 01:13:10.569 clockwork orange, but clockwork carnage. They, at the end of 1639 01:13:10.590 --> 01:13:12.550 the show, I mean, if people stuck around for an 1640 01:13:12.569 --> 01:13:14.529 hour or three and a half hours, which is how 1641 01:13:14.550 --> 01:13:18.170 long this went, they saw, you know, the chaos of everybody, 1642 01:13:18.350 --> 01:13:20.989 just about everybody in that match. And then some in 1643 01:13:21.029 --> 01:13:22.840 a chaotic brawl at the end, which is a little, 1644 01:13:23.300 --> 01:13:24.979 you know, tropey, but it's fine. I mean, given the, 1645 01:13:25.359 --> 01:13:27.949 given the timeframe that they had and the context and, 1646 01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:30.619 everyone kind of taking turns beating each other or taking 1647 01:13:30.659 --> 01:13:32.649 shots at each other who's in the matches. A way 1648 01:13:32.670 --> 01:13:33.970 to end on a high note and go, ah, they're 1649 01:13:33.989 --> 01:13:37.210 going to be locked in a carnage match on Saturday. 1650 01:13:37.250 --> 01:13:37.390 Yeah. 1651 01:13:38.109 --> 01:13:42.500 Yeah, no, no, it's good. Again, this is just, it's 1652 01:13:42.539 --> 01:13:44.420 been weird. The shows have just been weird and just 1653 01:13:44.460 --> 01:13:48.539 been different. And again, it's understandable. It's absolutely understandable. 1654 01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:53.439 Yeah, yeah. I'm glad they didn't let Lance Archer chokeslam 1655 01:13:53.449 --> 01:13:55.800 both Speedball and Will Asprey and that they broke a 1656 01:13:55.840 --> 01:13:56.760 super kick to him out of the ring. 1657 01:13:57.220 --> 01:13:58.399 Thank goodness. 1658

01:13:58.939 --> 01:14:00.640 You don't have to give an obligatory moment to the 1659 01:14:00.659 --> 01:14:04.399 big guy who has a 2-102 record in AEW or 1660 01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:08.029 something close to that. Speaking of numbers and records, Derek 1661 01:14:08.050 --> 01:14:10.930 Mitchell says, MJF, thank you for the super chat, Derek. 1662 01:14:10.949 --> 01:14:13.649 Super chat. Love it. MJF is number one in the 1663 01:14:13.670 --> 01:14:16.409 PWI 500 in 2026, the last person in AEW to 1664 01:14:16.430 --> 01:14:19.680 be number one since Omega in 2021. Just not a 1665 01:14:19.699 --> 01:14:23.479 fan of AEW pandering to PWI like WWE does with ESPN. 1666 01:14:24.180 --> 01:14:26.810 I don't think it felt like pandering. It felt like 1667 01:14:27.239 --> 01:14:34.369 acknowledging this legacy brand of an unaffiliated magazine named MJF 1668 01:14:34.390 --> 01:14:38.770 number one. I think also MJF wants that to be mentioned, 1669 01:14:39.090 --> 01:14:42.520 and I think he should. Because when you got Will 1670 01:14:42.569 --> 01:14:45.960 Asprey and Roman Reigns or whoever, Cody Rhodes, to be 1671 01:14:46.020 --> 01:14:47.000 ranked number one, that's a big deal. 1672 01:14:48.819 --> 01:14:52.010 I took this as MJF's video. 1673 01:14:53.109 --> 01:15:02.920 He sent this in. The narration felt more official. Yeah. 1674 01:15:03.819 --> 01:15:06.039 So did the PWI 500 not come out? Was this fake? 1675 01:15:07.180 --> 01:15:07.500 Oh, no, no. 1676 01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:11.770 I'm saying it was like, no, MJF is gloating. that 1677 01:15:11.890 --> 01:15:14.409 he's he's done this and he's he wrote this and 1678 01:15:14.479 --> 01:15:16.239 he made this that that's why i took it was 1679 01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:19.500 it just kind of because there's just the verbiage some 1680 01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:20.720 of the things the guy was saying was i was 1681 01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:22.819 chuckling under my breath about it but yeah like i 1682 01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:25.649 i felt like this was actually mjf mjf sent this 1683 01:15:25.729 --> 01:15:27.569 in and and tony khan's gonna play it because you 1684 01:15:27.590 --> 01:15:30.090 know oh this is my video touting me winning the 1685 01:15:30.130 --> 01:15:33.069 pwi 500 so yeah and we also know tony khan 1686 01:15:33.090 --> 01:15:34.829 doesn't really care what goes on this television show. 1687 01:15:35.529 --> 01:15:39.119 It's possible you're obviously right but in watching it and 1688 01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:41.239 maybe i was kind of half half watching or but 1689 01:15:41.260 --> 01:15:43.479 i think i've paid attention it came across to me 1690 01:15:43.930 --> 01:15:46.869 like aw is wants to make a big deal out 1691 01:15:46.909 --> 01:15:49.329 of mgf winning this because yay roman reigns didn't cody 1692 01:15:49.369 --> 01:15:53.630 roads didn't um so we're doing it but i like 1693 01:15:53.670 --> 01:15:56.189 i said you you could you certainly could be right

1694 01:15:56.229 --> 01:15:57.810 so chat jump in if you want to give your 1695 01:15:57.850 --> 01:15:58.409 opinion on this. 1696 01:15:58.970 --> 01:16:01.069 I hope i'm right because it's definitely better if i'm 1697 01:16:01.109 --> 01:16:03.189 right than than them pandering to the pwi 500 yes 1698 01:16:03.210 --> 01:16:03.829 yeah yeah yeah. 1699 01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:10.539 Yeah, and MJF, Derek says Excalibur narrated it, so it 1700 01:16:10.579 --> 01:16:15.319 did come from AEW. That was Excalibur? I didn't know 1701 01:16:15.350 --> 01:16:16.970 if it was Excalibur, but it felt like it. 1702 01:16:16.970 --> 01:16:20.750 Are you sure about that, Derek? Yeah, it felt like 1703 01:16:20.789 --> 01:16:22.449 a movie guy narrating it. 1704 01:16:23.289 --> 01:16:27.670 Yeah, chime in chat, let us know. Derek Mitchell, by 1705 01:16:27.689 --> 01:16:30.949 the way, speaking of Derek, goes Jericho's WWE is the 1706 01:16:31.220 --> 01:16:33.340 best in WWE history along with his legendary feud with 1707 01:16:33.399 --> 01:16:37.180 Shawn Michaels. Uh, one of the best moments in the 1708 01:16:37.260 --> 01:16:39.739 false title win in 2000 at Penn state with Earl 1709 01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:42.159 Hebner as the ref and APA holding off. 1710 01:16:42.670 --> 01:16:43.270 Oh my gosh. 1711 01:16:43.310 --> 01:16:43.869 Yeah. 1712 01:16:43.909 --> 01:16:44.409 I remember that. 1713 01:16:44.449 --> 01:16:46.989 That was, that was, yeah. When they stripped him with 1714 01:16:47.010 --> 01:16:48.649 the title, like right after, but yeah, that was great. 1715 01:16:48.909 --> 01:16:50.489 That was great too. I forgot about that. 1716 01:16:51.689 --> 01:16:54.449 Uh, let's, let's see. Zach Barber says, I agree. Jericho 1717 01:16:54.470 --> 01:16:56.279 had a better career, but Copeland is still watchful in 1718 01:16:56.300 --> 01:16:56.600 the ring. 1719 01:16:56.619 --> 01:16:57.020 Jericho. 1720 01:16:57.979 --> 01:17:02.539 Not so. Um, yeah, I mean, I get that Copeland, Copeland, 1721 01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:06.130 Copeland is, uh, where Jericho was a few years ago, 1722 01:17:06.409 --> 01:17:09.180 you know, in-ring-wise. You know, less mileage. 1723 01:17:09.199 --> 01:17:09.819 I don't know. 1724 01:17:10.859 --> 01:17:13.539 Tonight felt a little rough. Like, tonight he seemed blown 1725 01:17:13.600 --> 01:17:16.680 up in quite a few spots. Tonight felt like, when 1726 01:17:16.699 --> 01:17:19.140 he announced his retirement afterwards, I thought, oh, maybe he 1727 01:17:19.180 --> 01:17:21.829 was meaning to act like that in the ring. 1728 01:17:21.850 --> 01:17:22.170 Yeah, really. 1729 01:17:22.189 --> 01:17:24.050 Because there were a couple times he went to lift 1730 01:17:24.069 --> 01:17:25.689 some people and he just couldn't get them up. Yeah, 1731 01:17:26.149 --> 01:17:29.590 so I felt like Copeland's like, yeah. It was his 1732 01:17:29.649 --> 01:17:33.260 first singles match also on AEW in 18 months. He 1733 01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:36.819 had one on Maple Leaf Pro Wrestling a couple weeks ago. 1734 01:17:37.260 --> 01:17:39.100 But yeah, he hasn't wrestled at a singles match. He's 1735 01:17:39.140 --> 01:17:41.689 only had one in 18 months. So that probably had 1736 01:17:41.789 --> 01:17:42.600 a part of it. 1737 01:17:42.869 --> 01:17:47.409 Yeah, absolutely. By the way, Root Dog in the chat said, 1738 01:17:47.430 --> 01:17:50.840 what did you think of Walker Stewart's commentary on Dynamite? 1739 01:17:51.739 --> 01:17:56.029 Dennis? Oh, I like his voice. I think he's got 1740 01:17:56.390 --> 01:18:00.520 a really good voice. Yeah, yeah. But he also does. 1741 01:18:01.270 --> 01:18:03.640 Did he learn from Excalibur to just laugh and chuckle 1742 01:18:03.680 --> 01:18:05.020 when people are doing big moves? 1743 01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:06.199 Because he did that quite a few times. 1744 01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:06.739 Yeah. 1745 01:18:07.319 --> 01:18:09.859 And he was there to kind of just provide a factoid. 1746 01:18:09.880 --> 01:18:11.159 He's okay. Yeah. 1747 01:18:11.340 --> 01:18:12.819 It was sort of like, here's a fact, here's a fact. 1748 01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:15.260 And he was fine, but there were stretches where I 1749 01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:18.039 was like, oh, that's right. He didn't seem to have 1750 01:18:18.060 --> 01:18:20.840 a real good sense of when to interject himself. He 1751 01:18:20.859 --> 01:18:25.210 didn't want to step on shabani and an excalibur and 1752 01:18:25.329 --> 01:18:28.250 i don't know to me it feels like there's a 1753 01:18:28.270 --> 01:18:30.560 little bit of a decent quite a bit of an 1754 01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:33.979 overlap between excalibur and walker in terms of what they 1755 01:18:34.020 --> 01:18:37.239 can add like i don't think they're complementary so it 1756 01:18:37.260 --> 01:18:39.619 just i don't know if excalibur was freezing him out 1757 01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:41.279 or he just was in the flow and didn't really 1758 01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:43.630 he's not good at working with somebody new who doesn't 1759 01:18:43.649 --> 01:18:45.609 really he can't throw to him and say you know 1760 01:18:46.170 --> 01:18:48.729 like he does to nigel or just an obvious question 1761 01:18:48.750 --> 01:18:51.369 to an ex-wrestler or test when ex wrestler. So, or, 1762 01:18:51.449 --> 01:18:53.270 or Danielson, of course, those are the other, that's the 1763 01:18:53.310 --> 01:18:56.260 other group. So I don't know. Rude dog said, I 1764 01:18:56.270 --> 01:18:59.199 think he was a plus to the commentary team. Yeah. 1765 01:19:01.060 --> 01:19:04.079 I mean, I agree. I would rather it be one, 1766 01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:06.560 either him or Excalibur. I agree. 1767 01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:08.479 They do kind of like overstep each other and not 1768 01:19:08.539 --> 01:19:11.520 having the wrestler there because you've got the pitch man, 1769 01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:13.770 which is Shabani, who is

just. 1770 01:19:13.869 --> 01:19:15.989 AEW is the greatest ever, all the time. 1771 01:19:16.270 --> 01:19:19.170 And then you've got Excalibur, who's just moves, moves, moves. 1772 01:19:19.210 --> 01:19:21.890 And I assume Walker's a mixture of the two of them. 1773 01:19:22.609 --> 01:19:25.850 I don't watch enough New Japan to really have heard 1774 01:19:25.890 --> 01:19:27.710 a ton of him other than on his pay reviews 1775 01:19:27.729 --> 01:19:29.630 every once in a while. But yeah, I definitely miss 1776 01:19:29.670 --> 01:19:33.829 Taz tonight. I love Taz on commentary. So, yeah, I 1777 01:19:33.850 --> 01:19:34.829 definitely miss him being there. 1778 01:19:35.670 --> 01:19:37.569 And they could just do a two-man booth. It didn't 1779 01:19:37.590 --> 01:19:39.909 feel like there was a good reason for Walker to 1780 01:19:39.930 --> 01:19:43.880 be there. Derek says, I think he sounds like a 1781 01:19:43.899 --> 01:19:48.199 professional no-frills announcer. Yeah, just didn't really have an obvious 1782 01:19:48.979 --> 01:19:55.350 purpose otherwise for why he was there. iPhone users, if 1783 01:19:55.359 --> 01:19:57.369 you're listening to us on the native podcast app on 1784 01:19:57.390 --> 01:20:01.520 your iPhone, You can unlock our commercial-free versions of our 1785 01:20:01.619 --> 01:20:05.840 free shows by searching PWTorch in Apple Podcasts. You'll see 1786 01:20:05.859 --> 01:20:08.340 a charcoal gray logo that says PWTorch VIP on it. 1787 01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:10.949 Click on that. There's some free samples of VIP shows, 1788 01:20:11.149 --> 01:20:14.250 and you can unlock the entire VIP lineup, which includes 1789 01:20:14.310 --> 01:20:17.689 VIP exclusives plus commercial-free versions of the free shows by 1790 01:20:17.729 --> 01:20:21.460 searching PWTorch in Apple Podcasts and clicking on the PWTorch 1791 01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:24.180 VIP logo. and then activate your three-day free trial. And 1792 01:20:24.220 --> 01:20:26.720 after that, you can become a VIP member using your 1793 01:20:26.859 --> 01:20:30.300 Apple account. It's that easy. Enjoy a streamlined listening experience 1794 01:20:30.340 --> 01:20:33.449 to our free shows and unlock all the VIP exclusives, 1795 01:20:33.489 --> 01:20:37.170 including our post-pay-per-view roundtables, the Wade Keller news bulletins, everything 1796 01:20:37.210 --> 01:20:39.350 with Rich and Wade, the fix that I host with 1797 01:20:39.369 --> 01:20:42.810 Todd Martin, and a variety of other VIP exclusives. Just 1798 01:20:42.829 --> 01:20:48.170 search PWTorch in your Apple Podcast app. Uh, Dennis, uh, 1799 01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:50.810 anything in particular you want to bring up from the show? 1800 01:20:50.829 --> 01:20:53.430 We haven't talked about everything yet. Um, anything else jump out? 1801 01:20:54.229 --> 01:20:58.350 Yeah. So I, the only go home pro promo tonight 1802 01:20:58.409 --> 01:21:00.550 was from the new level. Is that, that right? 1803

01:21:00.909 --> 01:21:02.989 Oh, we should talk about that. Cause I felt they took, 1804 01:21:03.189 --> 01:21:05.350 it felt like 15 minutes to say a minute's worth 1805 01:21:05.390 --> 01:21:08.989 of material and they were just in love with each other. Yep. Yeah. 1806 01:21:09.010 --> 01:21:09.170 Yeah. 1807 01:21:09.229 --> 01:21:11.729 The comedian was, he, he didn't, he didn't make me laugh. Like, 1808 01:21:12.069 --> 01:21:12.470 I don't know. 1809 01:21:12.590 --> 01:21:14.729 I've never seen him before, but yeah, he, he definitely 1810 01:21:14.770 --> 01:21:17.050 was kind of funny. Um, so I, that was, that 1811 01:21:17.090 --> 01:21:19.350 wasn't a down, a bad thing at all. Uh, but 1812 01:21:19.909 --> 01:21:23.149 it did, that did feel like forever though. They just 1813 01:21:23.220 --> 01:21:26.239 dragged a little bit, but yeah, yeah. 1814 01:21:26.359 --> 01:21:28.680 So it's, I don't know. I don't know. 1815 01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:30.840 But that match I am, I am looking forward to, 1816 01:21:30.859 --> 01:21:32.560 I'm glad that they made sure to point out that 1817 01:21:32.619 --> 01:21:34.199 swear wasn't there tonight, but he will be at the 1818 01:21:34.220 --> 01:21:37.159 pay-per-view cause I would have been worried and not being there. Um, 1819 01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:39.060 and they're saying there's something with his family. Like, so 1820 01:21:39.079 --> 01:21:41.359 I'm glad that they did say that, uh, I think 1821 01:21:41.380 --> 01:21:44.810 that match will be good. I think the combustible element 1822 01:21:44.890 --> 01:21:48.229 of swerve and, and hang man is anytime you're going 1823 01:21:48.250 --> 01:21:50.289 to put them together from here on out. I think 1824 01:21:50.329 --> 01:21:52.000 it's always going to work as long as you don't 1825 01:21:52.039 --> 01:21:54.000 do it all the time and you don't kill, kill 1826 01:21:54.020 --> 01:21:56.939 the feud off. Like, like they, like, uh, as you know, 1827 01:21:56.960 --> 01:21:59.380 that's happened to plenty of, plenty of people in the past. Um, 1828 01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:01.789 but yeah, I think that, that you can always bring 1829 01:22:01.810 --> 01:22:04.050 them back together, either when they're in a trios, they 1830 01:22:04.069 --> 01:22:06.270 could come back in a tag together, you know, that 1831 01:22:06.310 --> 01:22:09.989 was singles match together. It's also possible that that's how 1832 01:22:10.310 --> 01:22:12.500 eventually I think I've heard this. I don't know where 1833 01:22:12.520 --> 01:22:14.300 I heard this, but I think someone threw out that 1834 01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:16.880 that's how hangman gets a shot and wins the title 1835 01:22:16.899 --> 01:22:19.239 again is, is when swerve finally wins the title. 1836 01:22:19.260 --> 01:22:20.359 And he's like, I gotta beat you. 1837 01:22:20.960 --> 01:22:23.319 Again uh something like that but um yeah i think 1838 01:22:23.390 --> 01:22:25.369 i think that that combustible

element is going to make 1839 01:22:25.409 --> 01:22:28.069 this match really really good uh really passionate i assume 1840 01:22:28.109 --> 01:22:30.970 it probably opens uh the show i feel like that's 1841 01:22:31.189 --> 01:22:32.550 that's kind of been the thing for new level as 1842 01:22:32.569 --> 01:22:35.340 they come out i think they're first so yeah i 1843 01:22:35.350 --> 01:22:37.779 think that's gonna be good but otherwise no like the 1844 01:22:37.800 --> 01:22:41.199 show was just and it was there um again they 1845 01:22:41.220 --> 01:22:45.189 had they just oh oh yeah he He seemed very 1846 01:22:45.229 --> 01:22:46.779 happy to be with a bunch of big dudes, didn't he? 1847 01:22:47.329 --> 01:22:50.399 Did you notice that when he walked in? He was 1848 01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:52.279 happy to not be the biggest guy there. 1849 01:22:52.680 --> 01:22:55.800 But I don't know. The crowd was behind him, but 1850 01:22:55.819 --> 01:22:56.779 they were in his hometown. 1851 01:22:57.399 --> 01:23:01.979 So it's just getting him back on TV and trying 1852 01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:04.220 to establish a character for him and him not just 1853 01:23:04.260 --> 01:23:08.020 being another non-talking big dude in the Don Callis family 1854 01:23:08.060 --> 01:23:09.079 if you want him to be more. 1855 01:23:09.460 --> 01:23:12.449 But I think that ship may have sailed a long 1856 01:23:12.489 --> 01:23:12.770 time ago. 1857 01:23:14.689 --> 01:23:17.390 A couple other comments. Derek Mitchell said, that was the 1858 01:23:17.409 --> 01:23:19.529 worst new level appearance for me so far. WWE and 1859 01:23:19.550 --> 01:23:21.550 AW does put a C and D level entertainers. I 1860 01:23:21.569 --> 01:23:24.130 think most wrestling fans have no idea who they are. 1861 01:23:24.409 --> 01:23:26.390 Zach says, I had no idea who that comedian was. 1862 01:23:26.449 --> 01:23:29.189 Swerve needs more notable friends. And Rude Dog says, yeah, 1863 01:23:29.210 --> 01:23:31.029 who was that mojo guy with new level? Are we 1864 01:23:31.050 --> 01:23:37.189 supposed to know who that is? Yeah, it just, it, yeah, 1865 01:23:37.369 --> 01:23:39.609 it needed more of a purpose. It was generic and 1866 01:23:39.810 --> 01:23:42.890 a celebrity that, you know, they acted like everybody would 1867 01:23:42.909 --> 01:23:44.869 know who he was. And obviously not everybody did. 1868 01:23:45.670 --> 01:23:46.430 No, not at all. 1869 01:23:46.649 --> 01:23:46.989 Not at all. 1870 01:23:47.010 --> 01:23:48.869 I mean, and I liked, I liked the flow when 1871 01:23:48.890 --> 01:23:50.449 they were talking in the back and then they came out. 1872 01:23:50.470 --> 01:23:52.810 I thought that was cool. The beginning of it was nice. 1873 01:23:53.149 --> 01:23:55.689 And obviously new level gets a huge reaction because as 1874 01:23:55.710 --> 01:23:58.069 soon as they stopped talking, everyone stood up and started 1875 01:23:58.100 --> 01:23:59.939 jumping up and down

and bounce into the music again. 1876 01:23:59.989 --> 01:24:02.300 So they, they get a reaction, but yeah, that, that 1877 01:24:02.340 --> 01:24:03.800 segment was just a little bit, just. 1878 01:24:03.699 --> 01:24:05.600 A little too long. Like, yeah. 1879 01:24:05.859 --> 01:24:08.260 So it felt, it felt like guys that have always 1880 01:24:08.300 --> 01:24:10.659 had direction and been told exactly what to say. Just, 1881 01:24:11.220 --> 01:24:13.960 and now have the ability to do whatever they want, 1882 01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:15.279 and they didn't really know what to do. 1883 01:24:16.180 --> 01:24:17.739 Yeah, I mean, it is one of those things where 1884 01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:20.800 you're like, oh, we don't do our shtick, and when 1885 01:24:20.819 --> 01:24:23.729 we don't do the WWE shtick, how do we fill time? 1886 01:24:23.810 --> 01:24:28.170 And part of it, too, is it's two baby-faced teams 1887 01:24:28.189 --> 01:24:29.850 facing each other, so it's not a lot they can 1888 01:24:30.229 --> 01:24:35.649 say that's going to get a crowd reaction. And so, oh, 1889 01:24:35.729 --> 01:24:38.430 you've got to beat us twice, or I don't know. 1890 01:24:38.979 --> 01:24:40.890 I mean, it's just, yeah, it didn't need to be 1891 01:24:40.909 --> 01:24:41.229 that long. 1892 01:24:41.909 --> 01:24:42.510 And what was it? 1893 01:24:42.550 --> 01:24:45.250 Was that a new catchphrase at the end? Is that, 1894 01:24:45.270 --> 01:24:47.550 was that a, was that, or is that an old catchphrase? 1895 01:24:47.649 --> 01:24:48.670 I'm not sure what they say. 1896 01:24:49.489 --> 01:24:52.640 I can't even remember. Like Kofi said, thank God. And 1897 01:24:52.680 --> 01:24:55.180 he was like screaming at the thing. And then Austin 1898 01:24:55.220 --> 01:24:56.640 screamed something into the mic. I don't even remember what 1899 01:24:56.659 --> 01:24:58.600 it was, but it felt like they're trying to get 1900 01:24:58.640 --> 01:25:00.640 over a new catchphrase now as well. 1901 01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:01.619 Yeah. 1902 01:25:02.430 --> 01:25:02.510 Yeah. 1903 01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:04.130 I'm not sure. We'll find out if they keep doing it. 1904 01:25:04.880 --> 01:25:05.399 Yeah. 1905 01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:08.239 Mark, Mark Biscotti says Jericho diminished his legacy in the 1906 01:25:08.279 --> 01:25:10.220 last two years, but until his decline, Jericho was a 1907 01:25:10.279 --> 01:25:13.140 level above edge. Okay. 1908 01:25:13.180 --> 01:25:13.319 Yeah. 1909 01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:16.600 Zach, Zach says they need the new level needed Swerve 1910 01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:17.100 to guide them. 1911 01:25:18.659 --> 01:25:18.939 Oh yeah. 1912 01:25:19.140 --> 01:25:19.779 Yeah. Yeah. 1913 01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:21.649 Swerve is obviously has been the glue a little bit, 1914 01:25:21.659 --> 01:25:23.510 I guess when they've been, when they've had a mic 1915 01:25:23.670 --> 01:25:25.510 in their hand, he's been there to kind of like 1916 01:25:25.529 --> 01:25:26.029 steer the ship. 1917 01:25:26.770 --> 01:25:27.029 Yeah. 1918 01:25:27.649 --> 01:25:30.590 Yeah. I mean, no, no huge damage done, but yeah. 1919 01:25:31.149 --> 01:25:31.329 No. 1920 01:25:31.409 --> 01:25:31.689 All right. 1921 01:25:31.869 --> 01:25:32.989 No, it'll be fine. Yeah. 1922 01:25:33.229 --> 01:25:33.390 Yeah. 1923 01:25:34.479 --> 01:25:36.180 Let's see. Is there anything else I flagged here? Going 1924 01:25:36.220 --> 01:25:37.859 back to Baron Von Rasche, by the way, Derek Mitchell said, 1925 01:25:37.899 --> 01:25:40.350 Baron's one of the most underrated characters in history across 1926 01:25:40.369 --> 01:25:47.850 AWA Georgia and Mid-Atlantic. Yes, for sure. And people are 1927 01:25:47.869 --> 01:25:50.470 talking about poor Max Caster shooting himself in the foot. 1928 01:25:53.590 --> 01:25:57.109 And yeah, so yeah, I guess that pretty much covers it. 1929 01:25:57.329 --> 01:25:59.810 I don't have anything else to add. Chad, if you 1930 01:25:59.829 --> 01:26:04.159 got anything last second you want to jump in with. Um, 1931 01:26:04.220 --> 01:26:08.500 you can do that. Um, otherwise, actually, uh, JB sent 1932 01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:10.039 in an email. So this is good. Let's see if he, uh, 1933 01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:15.779 he's got something for us. He's, um, in the, uh, 1934 01:26:15.939 --> 01:26:16.920 inbox here. All right. 1935 01:26:17.359 --> 01:26:18.100 Nice. 1936 01:26:18.439 --> 01:26:20.840 JB says, I'm curious where this absolutely unhinged Mox character 1937 01:26:20.859 --> 01:26:23.020 is going. Renee asked him what kind of pain he's in. 1938 01:26:23.060 --> 01:26:24.800 And he said, he's not sure that he can tell 1939 01:26:24.840 --> 01:26:26.899 the difference anymore. I assume that's alluding to the physical 1940 01:26:26.939 --> 01:26:29.000 pain of losing recent matches and the obvious mental pain 1941 01:26:29.020 --> 01:26:31.520 of losing Pac. Marina telling Mox the only way out 1942 01:26:31.600 --> 01:26:33.279 is through was also interesting. 1943 01:26:33.609 --> 01:26:33.850 Agree. 1944 01:26:34.710 --> 01:26:37.319 Nick Wayne's video package montage on, and by the way, 1945 01:26:37.350 --> 01:26:39.109 he watched Collision, so these are some notes that he 1946 01:26:39.149 --> 01:26:40.470 can add that we can't. 1947 01:26:40.550 --> 01:26:40.789 Awesome. 1948 01:26:40.810 --> 01:26:44.140 We're doing the show while it was on. Nick Wayne's 1949 01:26:44.159 --> 01:26:47.800 video package montage on nearing Jericho to five for fighting 1950 01:26:47.859 --> 01:26:51.470 song Superman was hilarious. Jericho's response to showing clips of 1951 01:26:51.510 --> 01:26:53.930 Wayne cheating to beat him was equally hilarious. Okay, I'm 1952 01:26:53.949 --> 01:26:54.510 looking forward to this. 1953 01:26:55.470 --> 01:26:55.949 It's going to be good. 1954 01:26:56.670 --> 01:26:58.909 Champ almost had a Samoa Joe-like cadence in their backstage 1955

01:26:58.930 --> 01:27:01.430 promo together tonight. Hopefully Joe is rubbing off on him. 1956 01:27:01.470 --> 01:27:03.710 I wonder if this pair will have a tag run together. 1957 01:27:04.130 --> 01:27:08.069 Would be good for them to do a promo together 1958 01:27:08.090 --> 01:27:11.770 after their match. Would be bad for them to do 1959 01:27:11.810 --> 01:27:13.710 a promo together if it was just a one-off. There's 1960 01:27:13.750 --> 01:27:16.069 a typo in there. Sorry, JB. I saw that you 1961 01:27:16.109 --> 01:27:18.729 had said early that AW is losing their chance for 1962 01:27:18.770 --> 01:27:21.380 Ospreay to be the guy, and I disagree. I disagree 1963 01:27:21.399 --> 01:27:23.439 a bit. His first feud after All In was a 1964 01:27:23.460 --> 01:27:25.720 huge culmination with his multi-month story with Mox It All Out. 1965 01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:28.189 Then Okada's match was announced for France. I give a 1966 01:27:28.199 --> 01:27:30.229 lot of grace for what's happened between All Out and Now, 1967 01:27:30.289 --> 01:27:32.689 since the death and tribute show to Pac took away 1968 01:27:32.729 --> 01:27:34.750 from an entire week of an already short build and 1969 01:27:34.810 --> 01:27:37.510 likely changed other plans. I think the Clockwork Carnage match 1970 01:27:37.529 --> 01:27:39.930 was likely inaudible, but I don't think that's a fair... 1971 01:27:39.670 --> 01:27:41.369 I don't think it's fair to say that one gimmick 1972 01:27:41.430 --> 01:27:43.600 is de-emphasizing all the good effort and evolution that's been 1973 01:27:43.609 --> 01:27:46.180 put into the Osprey character. So, I want to be clear. 1974 01:27:46.460 --> 01:27:49.800 I'm not against the Carnage match. I'm against... And again, 1975 01:27:50.159 --> 01:27:51.819 and this is where maybe they made up for it 1976 01:27:52.760 --> 01:27:55.239 in the main event post-match to a degree with all 1977 01:27:55.260 --> 01:27:59.109 the brawling and everything and what Ospreay did, but I 1978 01:27:59.149 --> 01:28:03.130 still will stand by otherwise that I think they should 1979 01:28:03.149 --> 01:28:05.430 have made the carnage match, not as much about the 1980 01:28:05.449 --> 01:28:09.050 gimmick and the qualifiers, but more about should, is this 1981 01:28:09.670 --> 01:28:11.449 something that Ospreay should be part of this early in 1982 01:28:11.489 --> 01:28:13.539 his reign? It's putting a title at risk in a 1983 01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:17.829 situation that he's never dealt with before. Um, the, the, 1984 01:28:17.890 --> 01:28:21.180 the possibilities, depending on who wins these qualifying matches is 1985 01:28:21.539 --> 01:28:23.779 as formidable of a challenge as any champion has faced 1986 01:28:23.859 --> 01:28:28.399 early in a rain. Um, and it's, uh, so I just, 1987 01:28:28.579 --> 01:28:30.819 you know, he could get hurt. He's on a roll. 1988 01:28:30.899 --> 01:28:33.189 He should be sticking to one-on-one matches, not participating in 1989 01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:35.390 something like this. There's whatever you can kind of pick 1990 01:28:35.430 --> 01:28:40.699 from that, but I want the conversation to be more 1991 01:28:40.819 --> 01:28:43.779 about Osprey and not have, hey, we got a concept match. 1992 01:28:43.819 --> 01:28:46.340 Isn't this cool? I'd rather have everything go through. How 1993 01:28:46.359 --> 01:28:49.069 does it affect Osprey? And I didn't get that sense tonight, 1994 01:28:49.350 --> 01:28:52.470 but I agree with the Tuesday night kind of mini 1995 01:28:52.510 --> 01:28:55.390 house show and then the POC tribute. I'm not going 1996 01:28:55.409 --> 01:29:00.140 to overreact to it, but I want to underline... don't let, 1997 01:29:00.560 --> 01:29:03.220 and then I guess what, I think what amplified or 1998 01:29:03.260 --> 01:29:06.560 exacerbated that feeling or kind of triggered it is just, 1999 01:29:06.699 --> 01:29:08.319 then he's being a goofball with speedball. 2000 01:29:08.539 --> 01:29:08.659 Yeah. 2001 01:29:09.180 --> 01:29:11.220 And, and so you see him not being serious and 2002 01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:15.149 even playing off of Andrade at ringside, you know, it's like, Oh, Andrade, 2003 01:29:15.189 --> 01:29:17.329 you're sorry, but that happened. Like, it's just, I want 2004 01:29:17.369 --> 01:29:20.409 him to like, act like this is serious business and 2005 01:29:20.449 --> 01:29:22.789 he is, he is the leader. And instead that's kind 2006 01:29:22.810 --> 01:29:26.319 of the mantle Moxley has. And, I don't want to 2007 01:29:26.340 --> 01:29:28.340 strip Ospreay. It's sort of like with Andrade, the playfulness. 2008 01:29:28.359 --> 01:29:31.619 Don't strip away his personality, but pick your spots and 2009 01:29:31.659 --> 01:29:33.819 make sure it's garnish and not the main course of 2010 01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:35.680 any week's presentation of him. Dennis. 2011 01:29:36.500 --> 01:29:37.500 Yeah, absolutely. 2012 01:29:37.539 --> 01:29:40.729 And I think that that's one thing you, if you 2013 01:29:40.739 --> 01:29:42.600 ever see Mox make a joke or smile, it is 2014 01:29:42.619 --> 01:29:44.109 never in the context of a match. 2015 01:29:44.270 --> 01:29:47.149 Like it is never in the context of a match. 2016 01:29:48.569 --> 01:29:54.420 So I think that that's huge. And again, I, I 2017 01:29:54.439 --> 01:29:56.920 guess the follow-up and what happens over the next few 2018 01:29:56.939 --> 01:30:01.060 weeks will really define what's going on with Will Ospreay. 2019 01:30:01.079 --> 01:30:05.550 And if this is him just kind of not understanding, 2020 01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:07.810 I don't know, just having bad instincts would be a 2021 01:30:07.810 --> 01:30:10.569 better thing on how he should be acting on American 2022 01:30:10.590 --> 01:30:11.689 television to get himself over. 2023 01:30:11.710 --> 01:30:12.930 Because this isn't the way. 2024 01:30:13.890 --> 01:30:16.149 I really thought that after the

whole Mox thing that 2025 01:30:16.510 --> 01:30:20.210 this would be a far more serious guy. And it 2026 01:30:20.229 --> 01:30:23.770 just feels like the last... It's just not right now. And... 2027 01:30:24.369 --> 01:30:29.109 We'll see. Hopefully it gets better. It's not horrendous. They 2028 01:30:29.170 --> 01:30:32.029 haven't ruined him or anything like that. It's just kind 2029 01:30:32.050 --> 01:30:35.279 of like you're seeing signs and it's just like, uh-oh. 2030 01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:38.380 When we saw a month ago with Andrade, oh boy, 2031 01:30:38.779 --> 01:30:42.079 he likes this catchphrase too much. Look where he is now. 2032 01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:49.369 It's not Tony Khan's nature to make a show about somebody, 2033 01:30:49.630 --> 01:30:54.140 but I want early on because osprey's rain just feels 2034 01:30:54.149 --> 01:30:58.300 like another rain and they'll be fine i'm not saying 2035 01:30:58.359 --> 01:31:01.119 it's you know it's gonna it's gonna just devastate the 2036 01:31:01.140 --> 01:31:03.439 effectiveness of his title rain i just see an opportunity 2037 01:31:03.479 --> 01:31:05.909 that's not being taken and if you want to draw 2038 01:31:06.229 --> 01:31:07.789 if you want to draw above the level that they're 2039 01:31:07.810 --> 01:31:11.350 drawing in terms of attendance one of the keys is 2040 01:31:12.529 --> 01:31:15.979 don't sell the brand and the ensemble of the feuds 2041 01:31:16.020 --> 01:31:17.920 and the champions. You can have all of that at 2042 01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:19.739 the same level, the brand and all the other feuds, 2043 01:31:20.050 --> 01:31:25.090 but elevate somebody above that. And Ospreay winning a world 2044 01:31:25.130 --> 01:31:27.029 title gives you a chance to define him that way. 2045 01:31:27.050 --> 01:31:28.569 And when they don't, it's a bit of a tell 2046 01:31:29.109 --> 01:31:32.340 in that they don't feel he so obviously is a 2047 01:31:32.359 --> 01:31:35.840 bigger star than they've ever had that they don't feel 2048 01:31:35.960 --> 01:31:39.239 obligated to portray him that way. But he doesn't have 2049 01:31:39.260 --> 01:31:41.489 to be the biggest star they've ever had. for you 2050 01:31:41.550 --> 01:31:43.600 to tell the story that he is and to have 2051 01:31:43.619 --> 01:31:45.899 fans believe it because there's enough there to get that across. 2052 01:31:45.939 --> 01:31:48.779 And so it's just a matter of there's a group 2053 01:31:48.819 --> 01:31:50.579 of fans out there who are like, oh, A.W. is 2054 01:31:50.640 --> 01:31:51.800 nice for a number two company and they have a 2055 01:31:51.800 --> 01:31:54.239 lot of good matches. And those people are going to 2056 01:31:54.279 --> 01:31:55.819 go to those shows. What you want to do is 2057 01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:58.109 get a layer of fans who are like, I want 2058 01:31:58.130 --> 01:32:02.770 to see the biggest stars. And some might think Moxie's 2059 01:32:02.829 --> 01:32:04.789 the biggest

star, MGF's the biggest star. Yeah, they might 2060 01:32:04.829 --> 01:32:07.949 think that, but that's them deciding it. You need to 2061 01:32:07.989 --> 01:32:10.750 decide for some fans sometimes, this is a guy, and 2062 01:32:10.789 --> 01:32:13.880 it's what WWE's doing with all the family. And AEW should, 2063 01:32:14.000 --> 01:32:16.319 you know, don't, obviously the push would be different, the narrative, 2064 01:32:16.600 --> 01:32:19.079 the framing of the character would be very different. But 2065 01:32:19.619 --> 01:32:22.340 look at what they're doing there and go, oh, we 2066 01:32:22.359 --> 01:32:25.100 could do that with Will, and maybe we would have 2067 01:32:25.149 --> 01:32:29.510 a transformational star who jumps off the lineup sheet as 2068 01:32:29.590 --> 01:32:33.850 more than just one of eight, you know, eight great wrestlers, 2069 01:32:33.909 --> 01:32:35.510 one of them, who happens to now have the world title. 2070 01:32:37.340 --> 01:32:37.739 Yeah, no. 2071 01:32:37.760 --> 01:32:38.340 And I agree. 2072 01:32:38.359 --> 01:32:41.140 And I think that, that also the fear or the 2073 01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:43.189 mindset of that, that, that they're dropping the ball a 2074 01:32:43.189 --> 01:32:45.689 little bit, it comes from what they've done in the past. 2075 01:32:45.729 --> 01:32:48.970 They've dropped the ball before, you know, they dropped it 2076 01:32:49.010 --> 01:32:51.369 with Adam pages first, his first time, they dropped the 2077 01:32:51.409 --> 01:32:52.909 ball his second time. 2078 01:32:52.970 --> 01:32:55.390 Like, I mean, that, that, that, that feud. 2079 01:32:55.170 --> 01:32:58.390 And him winning it all in, in 2025 and, And 2080 01:32:58.399 --> 01:33:01.069 then him losing the belt so quickly was just like, 2081 01:33:01.449 --> 01:33:03.270 what the heck did we just go through for a 2082 01:33:03.289 --> 01:33:05.949 year with Jon Moxley and everything? So no, I think 2083 01:33:05.970 --> 01:33:07.750 that that's the other part is that there, there is, 2084 01:33:07.789 --> 01:33:09.930 there is the fear that this has happened before and 2085 01:33:09.949 --> 01:33:11.010 you don't want to see it happen again. 2086 01:33:14.979 --> 01:33:18.000 Searching for more great pro wrestling talk. Then join me, 2087 01:33:18.060 --> 01:33:21.619 Jason Powell, host of the three weekly pro wrestling boom podcast. 2088 01:33:22.100 --> 01:33:24.279 Each week, you'll hear the latest news and analysis from 2089 01:33:24.340 --> 01:33:26.800 me and my team at pro wrestling.net along with other 2090 01:33:26.859 --> 01:33:30.119 pro wrestling media members. Plus, the Pro Wrestling Boom podcast 2091 01:33:30.140 --> 01:33:33.869 features long-form interviews with notable names in the pro wrestling industry. 2092 01:33:34.170 --> 01:33:38.050 Subscribe on iTunes, Stitcher, Downcast, and all your favorite secondary apps, 2093 01:33:38.489 --> 01:33:44.109 or visit us directly at pwboom.com. Once again, that's pwboom.com. 2094 01:33:47.500 --> 01:33:49.220 Finally, JB, as far as Collision goes, I'll push back 2095 01:33:49.279 --> 01:33:50.739 on the complaints about the booking of the machine guns. 2096 01:33:50.779 --> 01:33:53.880 It's been reported that guns requested to debut after September, 2097 01:33:53.960 --> 01:33:55.699 but that Tony Khan wanted them to make an appearance 2098 01:33:55.729 --> 01:33:58.369 in Detroit. in the meantime. And they wanted all the 2099 01:33:58.390 --> 01:34:00.229 legendary tag teams in the ring for the Wembley moment. 2100 01:34:00.449 --> 01:34:02.670 I don't really have a problem with that. Much like Copeland, 2101 01:34:02.689 --> 01:34:04.149 the Machine Guns are at the end of their careers 2102 01:34:04.189 --> 01:34:05.520 and they likely want to get in all the big 2103 01:34:05.560 --> 01:34:07.319 matches of some of the other teams that they respect. 2104 01:34:07.760 --> 01:34:09.579 I think this Best of Five series absolutely makes sense 2105 01:34:09.640 --> 01:34:14.220 given all of that context. So this, I mean, you know, 2106 01:34:14.539 --> 01:34:20.140 JB nicely puts it. Yeah, it's a pushback on our framing. 2107 01:34:20.380 --> 01:34:22.649 And I think it's a good, it's the best case 2108 01:34:22.670 --> 01:34:27.689 you can make because Wembley was special and tony khan 2109 01:34:27.729 --> 01:34:34.600 wants to have big moments on his pay-per-views and so 2110 01:34:35.699 --> 01:34:37.439 and then you want to have a make an appearance 2111 01:34:37.460 --> 01:34:39.460 in detroit i don't that's not as compelling. 2112 01:34:39.220 --> 01:34:42.159 To me that's the mistake that's the mistake yeah why 2113 01:34:42.180 --> 01:34:44.220 don't they just debut it if they debut at limley 2114 01:34:44.239 --> 01:34:46.199 think about that that's the first time we know they're 2115 01:34:46.220 --> 01:34:50.590 there yeah like that's huge like in in There hasn't 2116 01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:53.229 been a big debut in AEW at a pay-per-view, and 2117 01:34:53.310 --> 01:34:55.510 it seems like in a few pay-per-views, and that usually 2118 01:34:55.529 --> 01:34:56.630 is one of their things. 2119 01:34:56.710 --> 01:34:57.850 So I think that would have been bigger. 2120 01:34:58.909 --> 01:35:03.829 Yeah. The idea that they walk out, and again, almost 2121 01:35:03.869 --> 01:35:07.529 no reaction, don't have a lot to say, and they 2122 01:35:07.649 --> 01:35:12.100 were in a collision, those all mitigate the sense of 2123 01:35:12.140 --> 01:35:12.600 a moment. 2124 01:35:12.699 --> 01:35:12.880 Yeah. 2125 01:35:14.449 --> 01:35:16.470 Given the context, as JB says, I think the best 2126 01:35:16.529 --> 01:35:19.090 of five series absolutely makes sense given all of that context. 2127 01:35:19.270 --> 01:35:21.689 I'm good with the best of five series. I just 2128 01:35:21.710 --> 01:35:27.149 think there was momentum lost between Wembley and now. And 2129 01:35:27.289 -->

01:35:28.970 I don't have an exact answer for what to do 2130 01:35:28.989 --> 01:35:30.850 because they didn't want to distract from everything else going on. 2131 01:35:31.310 --> 01:35:35.140 But they do feel colder than I think they should, 2132 01:35:36.079 --> 01:35:38.920 than they had to. And I would give up the 2133 01:35:38.960 --> 01:35:42.199 Wembley moment to give them like tonight as a big, whoa. 2134 01:35:42.989 --> 01:35:45.329 moment I'm cool with that too yeah but I get 2135 01:35:45.350 --> 01:35:47.270 the counter argument to it you know I mean having 2136 01:35:47.289 --> 01:35:48.810 them have a moment to be at Wembley is cool 2137 01:35:48.890 --> 01:35:51.800 you know so maybe maybe Tony Khan you know was 2138 01:35:51.859 --> 01:35:55.359 torn you know maybe he was maybe he's like yeah 2139 01:35:55.380 --> 01:35:56.939 I get like you know if he's I get what 2140 01:35:56.960 --> 01:35:58.300 you guys are saying I thought the same thing but 2141 01:35:58.319 --> 01:35:59.979 ultimately I made this call to have him at Wembley 2142 01:36:00.020 --> 01:36:01.970 and yeah we paid a price but hopefully the best 2143 01:36:02.010 --> 01:36:03.609 of five series heats him up again and that reasonable 2144 01:36:03.630 --> 01:36:04.310 people could make that. 2145 01:36:04.250 --> 01:36:07.079 Argument And I think it'll happen. 2146 01:36:07.100 --> 01:36:08.739 I think, I think that it's once you get them 2147 01:36:08.779 --> 01:36:10.140 in the ring in front of the crowd and you, 2148 01:36:10.439 --> 01:36:12.779 you show the people that don't actually know them, what 2149 01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:15.119 they can do is, you know, I think I really 2150 01:36:15.149 --> 01:36:16.949 do think that's going to work and, and they're going 2151 01:36:16.970 --> 01:36:20.869 to mesh well with everybody else that's in the tag division. Yeah. 2152 01:36:21.789 --> 01:36:24.149 JB has some other points from dynamite. He said, it 2153 01:36:24.170 --> 01:36:25.750 feels like tonight's trails match in the Mox Davis at 2154 01:36:25.770 --> 01:36:28.170 Russell dream is all building to a death rider, callous family, 2155 01:36:28.550 --> 01:36:30.090 blood and guts match in a few weeks. I think 2156 01:36:30.130 --> 01:36:33.630 that originally they were building to an Osprey Osprey is 2157 01:36:33.750 --> 01:36:36.590 United Empire versus death riders. blood and guts match until 2158 01:36:36.630 --> 01:36:38.270 pox and timely death. Now it feels as though the 2159 01:36:38.289 --> 01:36:39.930 death riders are going to, going to go through a 2160 01:36:39.970 --> 01:36:43.920 true baby face arc before they eventually disband. Um, yeah, 2161 01:36:43.960 --> 01:36:45.840 I'd like, I don't, they have to be baby faces, right? 2162 01:36:45.859 --> 01:36:46.100 Dennis. 2163 01:36:47.020 --> 01:36:48.520 Oh yeah. I even wrote that down. 2164 01:36:48.560 --> 01:36:50.560 I said that like when they came in, they were 2165 01:36:50.600 --> 01:36:52.270 pumping the crowd up their baby faces. 2166 01:36:52.350 --> 01:36:55.250 Now they, they are like, there's no doubt about it. Yeah. 2167 01:36:55.470 --> 01:36:55.670 Yeah. 2168 01:36:56.789 --> 01:36:58.350 I'm kind of curious to see how this unexpected singles 2169 01:36:58.390 --> 01:37:00.229 run for Copeland will go while Christian is out injured. 2170 01:37:00.800 --> 01:37:03.079 I can't imagine the story of Copeland and Christian is 2171 01:37:03.119 --> 01:37:05.439 completely over yet, but obviously Copeland announced tonight that next 2172 01:37:05.460 --> 01:37:06.800 year will be his final year in pro wrestling. I 2173 01:37:06.819 --> 01:37:09.140 wonder if his last match will be in a tag 2174 01:37:09.159 --> 01:37:13.000 with Christian or possibly against Christian. It could be him 2175 01:37:13.060 --> 01:37:17.140 losing a world title match toss spray at Wembley, although 2176 01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:18.640 I think they'll get to that sooner based on the 2177 01:37:18.680 --> 01:37:20.500 spear tonight, unless that's just part of building up the 2178 01:37:20.539 --> 01:37:21.039 carnage match. 2179 01:37:21.850 --> 01:37:23.850 Yeah, no, but I think something like what you're saying, 2180 01:37:24.149 --> 01:37:26.010 even if it's not, if it's not Offsbury, if it's 2181 01:37:26.050 --> 01:37:29.460 somebody else, I think him going out, he, he might 2182 01:37:29.479 --> 01:37:31.300 want to go out losing, you know, and losing in 2183 01:37:31.340 --> 01:37:33.680 the title matches. Like he's pretty, it's a pretty cool 2184 01:37:33.720 --> 01:37:34.880 way to go out. That's a pretty cool way to 2185 01:37:34.920 --> 01:37:37.060 go out for sure. Not everyone is going to get 2186 01:37:37.079 --> 01:37:37.760 the sting treatment. 2187 01:37:39.020 --> 01:37:41.250 Right. No, exactly. And yeah, I'm trying to think like 2188 01:37:41.710 --> 01:37:43.470 who would be, I mean, there's, they can tell a 2189 01:37:43.510 --> 01:37:46.430 story between now and then that makes sense to me. 2190 01:37:46.449 --> 01:37:48.250 And maybe it, maybe it's against Kyle Fletcher and he 2191 01:37:48.329 --> 01:37:50.529 loses to Fletcher. And I mean, there's so many places 2192 01:37:50.569 --> 01:37:52.989 we can get over the next year. Um, but if 2193 01:37:53.029 --> 01:37:54.789 he has a, if he had a retirement match, let's 2194 01:37:54.829 --> 01:37:58.229 say it is at Wembley. Um, I don't know. Match 2195 01:37:58.250 --> 01:38:02.010 against Christian. I'd be, it'd be fine. You know, I'd 2196 01:38:02.050 --> 01:38:04.770 rather have it not feel like a greatest hits, but 2197 01:38:04.869 --> 01:38:06.550 trying to, you know, put somebody else over and something 2198 01:38:06.590 --> 01:38:07.029 more fresh. 2199 01:38:08.050 --> 01:38:08.289 I agree. 2200 01:38:08.310 --> 01:38:10.130 I agree with that completely. I think that, I think 2201 01:38:10.170 --> 01:38:10.609 you do that. 2202 01:38:11.149 --> 01:38:13.569 They

can have the pay-per-view before, you know, his last 2203 01:38:13.609 --> 01:38:16.119 match can be the second to his last second to last. 2204 01:38:16.020 --> 01:38:17.819 Pay-per-view can be against Christian. And I think that that 2205 01:38:17.859 --> 01:38:18.659 works perfectly. 2206 01:38:18.680 --> 01:38:22.600 Yeah. Um, Is Copeland going to have to run through 2207 01:38:22.619 --> 01:38:24.340 the Callis family on his run to the world title? 2208 01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:25.859 Will he get involved in the blood and guts match? 2209 01:38:25.899 --> 01:38:28.069 It's cool. His retirement will come on the 30th anniversary 2210 01:38:28.090 --> 01:38:30.659 of his start in WWE. developmental. 2211 01:38:30.960 --> 01:38:31.119 Yeah. 2212 01:38:32.180 --> 01:38:33.579 That's cool. 2213 01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:35.560 I'm glad for the second Dynamite in a row, they've 2214 01:38:35.579 --> 01:38:37.510 had a video package of Rene going over step by 2215 01:38:37.569 --> 01:38:43.789 step the rules to the Clockwork Carnage match. We didn't 2216 01:38:43.869 --> 01:38:48.060 end up fully understanding the championship part. At least I didn't. 2217 01:38:48.149 --> 01:38:49.979 But And a couple of people in the chat too. 2218 01:38:50.140 --> 01:38:53.439 But yes, the rules, I think were worth going over 2219 01:38:53.479 --> 01:38:55.979 with the video. And that part, I definitely give a 2220 01:38:56.000 --> 01:38:58.010 thumbs up too. And I like saying it's like, it's 2221 01:38:58.020 --> 01:39:03.010 like gauntlet meets Iron Man. People know that. And they're like, oh, okay. 2222 01:39:03.130 --> 01:39:04.609 So we're just melding these two things together. 2223 01:39:05.489 --> 01:39:07.189 So many versions of each. So yeah. 2224 01:39:08.010 --> 01:39:08.210 Yeah. 2225 01:39:08.430 --> 01:39:12.130 Yep. Let's see. I like the diversity of the United Empire. 2226 01:39:12.149 --> 01:39:14.109 You've got a British flair with the male Osprey and 2227 01:39:14.149 --> 01:39:16.729 females and Hater and Windsor, the French Canadian and Speedball 2228 01:39:16.750 --> 01:39:17.720 and the Latin flavor and Andrade. 2229 01:39:17.729 --> 01:39:17.810 Okay. 2230 01:39:18.310 --> 01:39:20.529 It's still very early on, but the backstage promo tonight, 2231 01:39:20.750 --> 01:39:23.029 I did feel a good amount of chemistry between the members, 2232 01:39:23.109 --> 01:39:25.289 and it's good to see them interacting all together. I 2233 01:39:25.350 --> 01:39:27.529 feel as if Ilya will be a good fit for 2234 01:39:27.560 --> 01:39:31.619 the group when he eventually debuts, Ilya Dragunov. By the way, 2235 01:39:31.760 --> 01:39:35.100 Dragunov could end up being goofy, too. In the ring, 2236 01:39:35.180 --> 01:39:37.880 he's so over-the-top emotive with facial expressions and stuff, so 2237 01:39:38.380 --> 01:39:41.619 this could be... Yeah, I don't know. JB, we are 2238 01:39:41.739 --> 01:39:44.300 not as high on the chemistry. I mean, there was chemistry, 2239 01:39:45.100 --> 01:39:48.130 but I'm not high on it. If that makes sense. 2240 01:39:48.229 --> 01:39:51.130 Was there, I mean, there was chemistry because, because there's, 2241 01:39:51.170 --> 01:39:54.369 there is chemistry between Bailey or speedball and, and Will. 2242 01:39:54.430 --> 01:39:56.229 And then Will's wife was there. So of course there 2243 01:39:56.270 --> 01:39:58.739 was some sort of chemistry in there. Andrade just standing 2244 01:39:58.779 --> 01:40:01.020 on the side, just fell out. And he just felt weird. 2245 01:40:01.279 --> 01:40:03.979 Like it felt weird him being there completely. So I, 2246 01:40:04.319 --> 01:40:06.220 I don't know. I, I'm glad, I'm glad JB liked it. 2247 01:40:06.300 --> 01:40:06.659 That's cool. 2248 01:40:06.819 --> 01:40:07.180 That's good. 2249 01:40:07.720 --> 01:40:08.649 Yeah. I'm glad somebody did. 2250 01:40:10.010 --> 01:40:11.630 I like Brody King being the voice of reason for hangman. 2251 01:40:11.649 --> 01:40:13.489 When he loses his cool in the moment, Brody plays 2252 01:40:13.510 --> 01:40:17.130 a good, serious yet reasonable character. um yeah brody does 2253 01:40:17.170 --> 01:40:19.060 seem like the guy who would be cooling down a 2254 01:40:19.060 --> 01:40:23.260 bar fight not escalating it i'm curious how to catch 2255 01:40:23.279 --> 01:40:25.439 an okada will interact in the clockwork yeah that'll be 2256 01:40:25.460 --> 01:40:29.060 good i like how they use person illustrated naming mjf 2257 01:40:29.090 --> 01:40:31.609 the rest of 2026 and storyline with mjf cocky sound 2258 01:40:31.649 --> 01:40:35.310 bites along the way furthering his arrogant heel character i 2259 01:40:35.350 --> 01:40:37.369 like that new level of remain mostly serious during the 2260 01:40:37.409 --> 01:40:39.130 run in aw so far sure there have been brief 2261 01:40:39.170 --> 01:40:42.430 moments of levity like when their comedian friend But they 2262 01:40:42.449 --> 01:40:43.510 always seem to be able to bring it back to 2263 01:40:43.550 --> 01:40:46.949 being about the Trios titles. No goofy props or dumb 2264 01:40:46.989 --> 01:40:50.630 songs to this point. Yeah, I'm not advocating for a 2265 01:40:50.649 --> 01:40:52.670 return to what WWE is doing. I just think they 2266 01:40:52.689 --> 01:40:54.430 could have gotten to their point quicker. And I think 2267 01:40:54.470 --> 01:40:58.250 they have the handicap or the headwind of it's a 2268 01:40:58.369 --> 01:41:01.680 Trios title feud. But there's not a lot to talk 2269 01:41:01.720 --> 01:41:04.979 about because it doesn't feel personal. And even if it is, 2270 01:41:05.020 --> 01:41:07.359 fans are sort of torn in who to cheer for. 2271 01:41:08.039 --> 01:41:10.319 And the Trios titles don't have a history of meaning 2272 01:41:10.340 --> 01:41:13.689 a lot. And so, I don't know. I mean, the 2273 01:41:13.770 --> 01:41:16.630 absence of irritants with the new level in AW is 2274 01:41:16.670 -->

01:41:19.189 a positive, but they need to kind of figure out 2275 01:41:19.210 --> 01:41:21.689 what their voice is going to be otherwise. And I 2276 01:41:21.720 --> 01:41:24.119 think they're just in a situation that isn't ideal for that. 2277 01:41:24.359 --> 01:41:26.539 Titles that don't mean a lot, Swerve not there this week, 2278 01:41:26.840 --> 01:41:29.680 a comedian people don't know that well, not a lot 2279 01:41:29.720 --> 01:41:32.039 to say in facing babyface opponents, and then just having 2280 01:41:32.060 --> 01:41:34.060 too much time to fill or spending too much time 2281 01:41:34.100 --> 01:41:37.350 out there. Just a bunch of paper cuts that made 2282 01:41:37.390 --> 01:41:40.159 it not work. Yeah, no, I agree. 2283 01:41:40.359 --> 01:41:43.100 Yeah, we talked enough about that. It was just a 2284 01:41:43.199 --> 01:41:44.060 weird segment. So, yeah. 2285 01:41:45.220 --> 01:41:46.539 And then finally, he says, I think that either Joe 2286 01:41:46.579 --> 01:41:48.539 or Ciampa will be Ospreay's next singles challenger coming out 2287 01:41:48.579 --> 01:41:50.770 of clockwork, where I assume Ospreay will retain his title. 2288 01:41:50.779 --> 01:41:52.449 My preference would be Joe, and I think they'll go 2289 01:41:52.489 --> 01:41:54.789 that way since he got the submission win tonight. Although 2290 01:41:54.810 --> 01:41:56.510 he does have that badass appeal and legacy that will 2291 01:41:56.529 --> 01:41:58.270 always get him some cheers, even when he's playing a 2292 01:41:58.310 --> 01:42:01.670 compelling heel. As always, love the show and go VIP. 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