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Last week, we talked a little bit about how podcasts and summits work
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together, so let's explore some more ways that summits and podcasts work together!
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If you are a summit host - or thinking about hosting the summit - starting
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a podcast can be a gamechanger for your business and your summits.
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Here's some of what our fantastic speakers from Sell With a Summit:
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Speaker Edition want you to know about hosting a summit and podcast.
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Okay, so Nicole, why do you feel like it's so important for podcasters to have
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a plan before launching their summit?
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Well, I mean, if you have no plan, you go nowhere,
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honestly, and you go nowhere fast.
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It's so easy to just, "Oh, I'm going to do this.
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I'm going to do this.
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I'm going to do this," and not really realize that you have
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to get them somewhere right?
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There has to be a reason they need to go with you on the journey that
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you're trying to take them on.
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And it's so easy with summits to think, "okay, I'm going to do this topic and
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I'm going to do this topic and I'll do this topic," and then you're like, wait,
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okay, what was the meaning of this?
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What was I trying to do?
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And oftentimes you kind of go someplace and you don't get
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to where you want them to go.
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So you have to have that plan before you start; you have
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to have a plan going forward.
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one of my colleagues, what she did was she actually - she's
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a podcaster - all her speakers from her summit are on her podcast.
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So she's got like 20 episodes that she created, which is like, insane,
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but she's got 20 episodes because people still want to hear from your
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speakers so they can kind of get more of a taste on the podcast.
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And she says something like, "Hey, if you want to hear more from this
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particular speaker, they're going to be on the podcast coming up.
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Take a listen."
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So it drives people to the podcast, especially if you're thinking
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about like, I need to make more of an audience for my podcast.
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What are a couple of ways that you'd say a summit can make a big
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impact on a podcaster's visibility, with that definition in mind?
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Absolutely.
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The nice thing
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about guesting on a summit, like I'm doing right now, is you're
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able to usually talk to the show host or have a 20 to 30 minute presentation.
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You're able to dive deep into one aspect that you really know and love.
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And the great thing is that the audience feels that, the audience usually has
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much more of a instant connection to you on a summit than they do on a podcast.
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They can see you, they can interact with you.
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They're here to learn one specific thing - that really grows the
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trust - and so they're excited to take the next step with you.
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What are some ways that a podcaster can leverage their summit
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hosting experience to get even bigger visibility and publicity opportunities
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both before and after the summit is over in terms of publicity opportunities?
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I think what's really great is if you are hosting your own
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show and if you just hosted your first virtual summit, you're usually able to
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connect with some higher profile guests, especially if you can pitch it correctly.
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And what's nice about that is that you're then able to leverage that into,
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okay, do I want my first TV appearance?
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Do I want my first publication?
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Do I want to be featured on this dream podcast that I've been
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drooling over for a couple of years?
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And you can actually customize the fact that you've been this
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authority with podcasting and your virtual summit inside of your pitch.
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And being sure to also include this - especially if you don't necessarily
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have a brand video yet - taking pieces of you hosting these two things and
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putting it into a nice brand video that lives on your press page, using
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the logo from not only your show, but your summit on your press page.
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A lot of people feel like, well, I've never been on anything,
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there's nothing to pull from.
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Well, pull from your own stuff for now!
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People don't really necessarily care what the logo is, they just want to see a logo.
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They want to know that you've been featured somewhere, so just pull from
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your own arsenal and then customize that in your pitch, especially in your
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mini bio to showcase what you have been an authority in, and that can really
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increase your ability to book that press, especially after your summit.
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What are some other ways that it's important for podcasters to have a
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plan for developing those connections?
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Why is it so important for them?
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It's important because of that trust factor.
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That's what you're trying to build.
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So, if I don't trust what you are saying, And you're not talking to me directly,
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why should I care what you're saying?
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You know, through your podcast, a relationship gets built because you are
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speaking from your heart and that's the way you're going to connect to people.
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So trust then of course leads to credibility.
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The platform that you've created in your podcast will then showcase
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your whole thought leadership and what you are all about.
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So people want to hear you, not just read you, read the words that you've created.
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They want to hear what you have to say.
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And then that final piece of influence.
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You know, once you have the trust and the credibility, then you can start
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influencing people to grow your own brand or business or whatever your
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podcast is going to lead you towards.
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So influential people - podcasters - inspire change, and now that you've
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created this inspiration, you've got raving fans that will take action based
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on almost every word that you have to say.
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Yeah, that's true.
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I know I definitely take action on a lot of the podcasts that I listen to.
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So that is definitely important because of that...
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You trust their word, right?
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You trust what they're saying and you know they're credible,
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so why not do what they say?
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Since interviews are a fantastic way to build that relationship with
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your guests, what would you say a couple of ways are that a host
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- whether it's podcast or summit - can continue building those relationships
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after the interview is over?
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Okay, so you're going to see me do this.
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I'm telling you ahead of time.
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Normally it would be like a nice surprise, but I'm gonna go ahead
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and tell you ahead of time.
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And this is something that - and you know, our attendees right now
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can totally steal and use this.
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But after our interview - not right after, it'll be like a day after - I'll
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email you and I will say, "Hey, that was
a really great interview
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-" which it is totally genuine here.
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And I'll say, "is there anything that you need, like, is there anything that I
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could be a resource to you for this event, like, is there anything else you need?"
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And usually the response is no, but sometimes you do...
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it like, it opens a door, a very genuine door to saying, you know what?
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Yeah.
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Um, I'm still needing somebody to talk about this topic.
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I haven't found the right person yet.
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Like maybe I know someone that I could refer to you, right?
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And actually that did happen two or three times after my last summit,
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I had a couple of people email me like, "Hey, that was really great.
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I have a friend who would be fantastic at this topic.
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I noticed it was on your summit registration page and you don't have
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like, the speaker picture there yet.
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Do you have anyone yet?
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Like, I know someone."
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And that was just amazing to me, like, oh my gosh, that's amazing.
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One step you can do right now, even if you're like, "Oh, I'm not
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quite ready to host my summit.
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I'm not quite ready to launch my podcast or I've always done solo episodes.
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I'm not quite ready."
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If you're not quite ready, that is okay, right?
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But what you can do right now is you can go ahead and start creating
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some relationships with people who you might want to bring onto your
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podcast or people you might want to bring onto your summit someday.
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Go ahead and start those now, because relationships that are genuinely built
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are going to be so much stronger and so much more authentic when you are
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ready for that event for yourself.
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So wherever, you know, people in similar spaces to you are hanging out
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online - whether it's Instagram, whether it's Facebook, whatever - go ahead and
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start building some relationships, start commenting on what they're saying, right?
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You could even DM them for nothing more than to say, "Hey, I'm in a similar space.
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It's really interesting what you're doing."
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Like, just start a little relationship there.
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Krista, can you share one thing you want someone to do when
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choosing a podcast or summit topic?
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Just start brainstorming for now.
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Once you have an audience that you feel like is a good fit, then you can
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move into the rest of the action steps.
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start with your existing audience,
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use them as a starting point.
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If you target an audience like online business owners, creative business owners,
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women, moms professionals, you need to get more specific, even if it is more
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specific than your podcast audience.
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So you're going to break that down into smaller groups next.
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So for example, if you're targeting, I don't know, creative business
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owners, maybe you have photographers, coaches, designers, I don't know.
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All of those different subsets are different groups you could
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break your audience down into, and then choose the group that you
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feel like you can help them most.
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So if there's a group you resonate with the most, maybe there's a group that
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tends to respond best to your marketing or purchase your offers more often,
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that's a perfect group to start with.
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It doesn't mean you can't come back and host a summit for another one later,
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but it gives you a good starting point and that is your summit audience.
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What would be a specific action step that a podcaster should take right
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away to make the most out of their new summit subscribers after the summit's
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over so they can kind of nurture them and get them excited about the podcast
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and everything else they have to offer?
Kate Doster:
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Excellent.
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So it would be literally like what we had just talked about:
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plan out those next three emails.
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Make sure that one of them is more of a transitional email where it's like,
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"Hey, so you enjoyed the summit" - again, say its name, reminde them of this
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thing - "you're going to want to make sure that you're listing to [name of
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your brand new podcast] where we're going to help you do avoid/have" - those are
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usually fun sentence starters to use- "and we're going to talk about this."
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And then if you already have your podcast episodes up and ready to
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go, those emails that we had talked about - the mistake
ones, the story,
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once those sorts of things - instead, it can just be about the topics that
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your podcasts are going to be about.
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So definitely have those three weeks worth of emails so that way you've got
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that downtime - done, written - they're not going to take you that long
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because you know that being on your list is a privilege, because you are
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always thinking to yourself, how is...
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I hate using this term because it's thrown around a lot, but how is this of service?
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What are you going to help them avoid?
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What are you going to help them accomplish?
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And then just go with it.
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Where would you say that a summit falls into the podcast listener
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journey and how can podcasters making the most of that kind of experience?
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Oh, I love that.
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I think that a summit...
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so just to give everyone an overview of the customer journey, as I teach it:
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There's a Stranger.
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They start off as a Stranger, everybody does, and then they move
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into what's called your Audience.
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So they're still kind of in the outer court, they're still
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kind of checking you out.
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Maybe they've listened to one episode, but they haven't really fully subscribed.
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Maybe they're on your Instagram and they follow you and they double tap every once
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in a while, but you're not like, on their notifications lists or anything like that.
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And maybe they've even joined your email list, but you're not moved to Primary,
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they don't really care whether or not they missed your emails, all of those.
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And then they move to the Prospect status.
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This is now when you're one of maybe three to five options that they're
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really considering to solve whatever problem you solve, and they're trying
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to figure out whether you're the best person to solve their problem.
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And so this is really where you want to connect with them on a deeper level: share
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some more stories, testimonials, show more of your expertise so that they can
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make the right decision for themselves.
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And then they move into the Customer status.
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This is where they've raised their hand and they've said, "you won.
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You're Miss America, we crowned you and you're the person that we've
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decided is going to solve our problem."
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And at that point, your job is to make sure that their problem actually gets
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solved and that they achieve the goals for what they paid for essentially.
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But even after that, once their problem gets solved, what you've inadvertently
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done is given them more problems to solve.
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They moved from one set of problems to like, a new set of problems and
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really, that's just life, right?
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There's never going to be a time where it's just like,
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"all my problems are solved.
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I'm just at home, just really living my best life."
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It just doesn't happen.
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And so what happens is once they become Customers and you've helped
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them with their goals and they can tie that success back to you
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and your genius, they become Fans.
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And so they look back and they say, "okay, now I have all these new problems.
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Obviously I'm going to come to you because you're a genius
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at solving all my problems.
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How do we work together even more?"
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and then designing solutions for them at that status.
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And that level is what keeps you relevant on a continual basis and actually
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extends your customer lifetime value.
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So all of the elements of the customer journey - Stranger, Audience, Prospect,
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Customer, Fan or Ambassador - and so for a summit, it's pretty unique because
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it helps highlight your Ambassadors and it helps bring your Audience closer so
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that they can become Prospects for you.
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So it has kind of...
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as a podcaster, it has kind of a dual thing to it.
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There you have it!
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There are so many reasons why podcasts and summits work together so well, and
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we'll get into more of them next week.
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For now, think about how a podcast could impact your summit.
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If you start the podcast before your summit, you can start building an audience
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that already loves to listen to you.
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If you launch your podcast through your summit, you have
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somewhere for your attendees to continue their journey with you.
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Whichever way you decide to do it, podcasts are an amazing way to