Mega Edition: Hillary Clinton And Her Epstein Related Talk With Congress (Part 9-11) (11/8/26) の全文書き起こし

be 35 00:01:49.430 --> 00:01:53.680 very clear. This committee is taking this investigation very seriously. 36 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:56.659 We're following the money. We have a history of doing 37 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:59.700 that over the past two years. I wrote the Treasury 38 00:01:59.739 --> 00:02:05.019 Department requesting suspicious activity reports related to Jeffrey Epstein. Treasury 39 00:02:05.099 --> 00:02:07.969 has now been in full compliance, and our staff has 40 00:02:08.009 --> 00:02:11.550 spent untold hours reviewing those documents. And I know the 41 00:02:11.590 --> 00:02:16.469 minority staff have also reviewed those documents. Anytime we subpoena anything, 42 00:02:16.789 --> 00:02:20.599 both sides get it. Based on the suspicious activity reports, 43 00:02:20.969 --> 00:02:23.930 I then issued subpoenas to two banks, Deutsche Bank and 44 00:02:23.969 --> 00:02:27.469 JP Morgan. Those two banks are also in compliance and 45 00:02:27.509 --> 00:02:31.289 continue to produce thousands of pages of records. And I'll 46 00:02:31.310 --> 00:02:33.969 say this before I turn it over to Representative Mace. 47 00:02:34.490 --> 00:02:38.280 This investigation is made very difficult when witnesses drag out 48 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:41.919 negotiations for more than six months and violate their duly 49 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:45.860 issued subpoena. So that's one reason when we're dealing with 50 00:02:45.900 --> 00:02:49.490 very powerful people, that have the best attorneys out there, 51 00:02:49.830 --> 00:02:52.050 it's very difficult when it takes six months to get 52 00:02:52.110 --> 00:02:54.849 witnesses in. So I just wanted to mention that. Then 53 00:02:54.870 --> 00:02:57.710 I'll yield to Ms. Mace. So now we have Nancy 54 00:02:57.750 --> 00:03:03.629 Mace asking Hillary Clinton some questions. Question. Thank you, Ms. Chairman. 55 00:03:03.969 --> 00:03:08.349 Madam Secretary, thank you for returning this afternoon. Secretary Clinton, 56 00:03:08.629 --> 00:03:12.379 is your husband someone that the committee should investigate? Answer. 57 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:14.379 My husband will be here tomorrow. You'll have a chance 58 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:17.479 to ask him. Question. So my question is, Is your 59 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:21.860 husband someone the committee should investigate? Her lawyer jumps in now, 60 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:27.530 asked and answered, Clinton, apparently you are. You've subpoenaed him. 61 00:03:27.810 --> 00:03:30.930 He's going to be here tomorrow. Question, in your testimony 62 00:03:30.969 --> 00:03:34.229 before the break, you discussed why you believe President Trump 63 00:03:34.550 --> 00:03:37.490 should testify before a committee due to a pattern of behavior. 64 00:03:38.060 --> 00:03:41.759 You testified that a pattern of behavior warrants accountability, so 65 00:03:41.819 --> 00:03:44.539 I want to make sure I understand your standard correctly. 66 00:03:45.349 --> 00:03:50.030 The pattern of behavior you describe includes being held civilly liable, indictments, 67 00:03:50.409 --> 00:03:56.699 sexually deviant behavior, correct? Answer, yes. Question. In 1998, your 68 00:03:56.740 --> 00:03:59.860 husband was found civilly liable for sexual misconduct with Paula 69 00:03:59.900 --> 00:04:05.509 Jones and settled for $ 850, 000. Is that correct? Clinton, yeah. Question. 70 00:04:05.830 --> 00:04:08.409 By your standard of pattern of behavior, should your husband 71 00:04:08.449 --> 00:04:13.879 testify before this committee? Answer, he's testifying tomorrow. Question. On 72 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:18.199 December 19th, 1998, President Clinton was impeached on charges of 73 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:22.310 perjury and obstruction of justice, which directly related to his 74 00:04:22.430 --> 00:04:27.410 extramarital affair with Monica Lewinsky. Is that correct? Answer, yes. Question, 75 00:04:27.730 --> 00:04:32.769 and your husband was impeached for perjury-related sexual behavior, correct? Answer, 76 00:04:33.290 --> 00:04:36.389 I didn't understand what you said. Question, your husband was 77 00:04:36.449 --> 00:04:41.250 impeached for perjury related to his sexual behavior. Answer, he 78 00:04:41.290 --> 00:04:44.230 was impeached for several reasons. and then was acquitted in 79 00:04:44.250 --> 00:04:47.509 the Senate. Question, and your husband flew on Jeffrey Epstein's 80 00:04:47.550 --> 00:04:52.500 plane 17 to 26 times, correct? Answer, he made several 81 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:55.879 trips with different legs on the trip, as I recall. Question, 82 00:04:55.899 --> 00:05:00.699 but he flew on Jeffrey Epstein's planes 17 to 26 times? Answer, yeah, 83 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:04.100 he did. Question, were you aware that Secret Service was 84 00:05:04.139 --> 00:05:08.389 dropped on some of those flights? Answer, that's not my understanding. Question, 85 00:05:08.970 --> 00:05:11.250 they were not on some of the flights? Answer, that's 86 00:05:11.269 --> 00:05:15.170 not my understanding. Question, so your understanding is that Secret 87 00:05:15.209 --> 00:05:17.949 Service was on all the flights that President Clinton took 88 00:05:18.589 --> 00:05:22.939 with Epstein? Answer, that's my understanding. Question, by this standard 89 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:27.600 of behavior, multiple credible accusers, including Juanita Broderick, who alleged 90 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:30.779 rape against your husband, your husband was disbarred in Arkansas, 91 00:05:31.060 --> 00:05:34.160 lost his law license before the Supreme Court, flew on 92 00:05:34.220 --> 00:05:39.160 Epstein's plane dozens of times, visited Epstein's Island, according... Clinton, 93 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:43.139 that's not true. That's absolutely untrue. Nancy Mace. Well, there's 94 00:05:43.180 --> 00:05:46.379 documentation in the DOJ files. I'm not sure you're aware. 95 00:05:46.699 --> 00:05:49.279 Your attorneys have told you. But Jeffrey Epstein told one 96

00:05:49.300 --> 00:05:51.720 of the victims to lie to investigators to lie that 97 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:55.079 Bill Clinton was ever on Epstein's island. I can provide 98 00:05:55.100 --> 00:05:58.220 the document to your attorneys. The attorney jumps in. We'd 99 00:05:58.259 --> 00:06:00.970 like to see that document, please. Mace, I can do that. 100 00:06:02.889 --> 00:06:06.769 Now the lawyer. Counsel. Because actually the files say just 101 00:06:06.790 --> 00:06:11.170 the opposite. Epstein himself denied that he was on the island. Question. Question. 102 00:06:12.069 --> 00:06:14.430 These are FBI notes from an interview with a victim. 103 00:06:15.089 --> 00:06:16.870 And I can get you the victim number and the 104 00:06:16.889 --> 00:06:19.689 case number in the files. These are notes from a 105 00:06:19.689 --> 00:06:23.910 302 interview. Answer, are you going to provide those now? Answer, 106 00:06:24.290 --> 00:06:26.110 that's not my line of questioning. She brought it up, 107 00:06:26.370 --> 00:06:29.379 but I have the document. Lawyer jumps in. I'm sorry, 108 00:06:29.420 --> 00:06:32.519 you're making a representation as to the facts. Mace cuts 109 00:06:32.540 --> 00:06:36.000 the lawyer off. I didn't enter anything as an exhibit. Lawyer, 110 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:39.649 but it's factually inaccurate. Nancy Mays, no, I can give 111 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:41.779 it to you later. I can go find the document, 112 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:45.959 make copies of it, and give it to you this afternoon. Hey, everybody, 113 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:50.379 Virginia said she saw Bill Clinton on the island. So 114 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:52.540 do you think Virginia's lying about that? And why would 115 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.459 she lie? She didn't say anything bad about him. She 116 00:06:55.500 --> 00:06:59.389 just said he was on the island. Mace, okay, by 117 00:06:59.430 --> 00:07:02.490 your standard of pattern of behavior, according to documents released 118 00:07:02.529 --> 00:07:06.269 by the DOJ, your husband appears in photos and swimming pools, 119 00:07:06.569 --> 00:07:10.560 hot tubs, aboard Epstein's private plane with unidentified young women. 120 00:07:11.009 --> 00:07:13.240 We came here today, and you told this committee that 121 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:17.920 a pattern of behavior demands accountability, correct? Answer, I said 122 00:07:17.980 --> 00:07:20.639 I believe the committee should call anyone who had a 123 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:24.139 substantial pattern and practice of contact with Jeffrey Epstein and 124 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:27.000 his crimes before they came to light. Question, and does 125 00:07:27.019 --> 00:07:30.209 that include your husband? Answer, and after they came to light. 126 00:07:30.889 --> 00:07:33.970 You're going to have a chance to question him tomorrow. Mace, 127 00:07:34.449 --> 00:07:37.430 so I'll ask you again. By the standard you just 128 00:07:37.470 --> 00:07:40.550 said in your

own words just now, does that standard 129 00:07:40.589 --> 00:07:44.829 apply equally to your husband or only to President Trump? Answer, 130 00:07:44.980 --> 00:07:47.800 I've said that my husband has been subpoenaed. He'll appear. 131 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:50.240 He'll answer your questions to the best of his ability. 132 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:53.379 But there is no evidence whatsoever of any connection with 133 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:56.740 Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. And I think that will obviously be 134 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:59.939 apparent in the questioning. Well, let's slow down on that. 135 00:08:00.180 --> 00:08:03.300 What about financial crimes? If Jeffrey Epstein was running a 136 00:08:03.339 --> 00:08:06.129 criminal enterprise and Bill Clinton got any money from him, 137 00:08:06.829 --> 00:08:10.490 that might be an issue. Question. What makes you so 138 00:08:10.529 --> 00:08:12.930 sure of that then? I mean, he's photographed with criminals. 139 00:08:14.110 --> 00:08:17.129 Lawyer jumps in. Objection. You're asking her to speculate on 140 00:08:17.170 --> 00:08:21.810 something that's not in evidence. Answer by Clinton. It's so speculative. 141 00:08:22.189 --> 00:08:24.360 I mean, swimming in a pool, sitting in a hot tub. 142 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:26.560 There are millions of people who do that without any 143 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:31.310 improper behavior. or is certainly committing any crimes. Mace, do 144 00:08:31.350 --> 00:08:33.470 you think that most of the men are like your 145 00:08:33.509 --> 00:08:37.889 husband that did anything wrong by where they're being surrounded 146 00:08:37.929 --> 00:08:40.990 by young women giving them massages on Epstein's private estate 147 00:08:41.269 --> 00:08:45.830 or private planes? Are they all innocent then? Answer, you're 148 00:08:45.850 --> 00:08:49.250 making assumptions in your questions that have not been proven 149 00:08:49.509 --> 00:08:52.850 and I don't believe are provable. Question, okay, why did 150 00:08:52.870 --> 00:08:55.110 you wait six months to have this hearing today or 151 00:08:55.149 --> 00:08:58.519 have this testimony? Answer, I've answered that. I thought that 152 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:01.279 given the way the other witnesses who were subpoenaed at 153 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:03.440 the same time were being treated, that there was an 154 00:09:03.500 --> 00:09:06.720 unfair treatment of both my husband and myself. I thought 155 00:09:06.740 --> 00:09:10.350 that especially from my perspective. I had very little, if any, 156 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:12.710 information to provide you and that I could have done 157 00:09:12.750 --> 00:09:14.929 it in a sworn statement and you could have moved 158 00:09:15.049 --> 00:09:18.049 on to depose somebody else who might have more information 159 00:09:18.350 --> 00:09:22.009 that would be beneficial to your investigation. Nancy Mace, I 160 00:09:22.049 --> 00:09:24.269 have two more questions. Then we're going

to pass it 161 00:09:24.309 --> 00:09:27.980 to Congresswoman Luna. After Jeffrey Epstein was convicted, did it 162 00:09:28.019 --> 00:09:30.700 concern you at all that he'd taken a substantial amount 163 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:35.059 of money from Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, that's an inappropriate assumption. 164 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:38.259 I did not take a substantial amount of money from Epstein. 165 00:09:38.539 --> 00:09:41.389 So as far as I know, Jeffrey Epstein contributed to 166 00:09:41.429 --> 00:09:44.809 the joint committee that was supporting my Senate race. Question, 167 00:09:44.870 --> 00:09:49.330 which was how much? Answer, I believe $ 20, 000. Question, and 168 00:09:49.370 --> 00:09:53.309 you don't consider $ 20, 000 substantial? Answer, I do not consider 169 00:09:53.350 --> 00:09:56.240 it relevant to me. because I have no recollection that 170 00:09:56.259 --> 00:09:58.269 I ever knew that he gave any money to the 171 00:09:58.289 --> 00:10:01.820 Joint Committee. Nancy May. so you didn't talk to your 172 00:10:01.860 --> 00:10:05.879 donors that gave 20,000 to your campaign? Answer, my understanding 173 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:07.840 of the rules back then is that there was no 174 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.299 coordination between the committee and my campaign. So no, I 175 00:10:11.340 --> 00:10:14.700 have no recollection of knowing that. Question, but that doesn't 176 00:10:14.799 --> 00:10:17.299 mean you can't speak to your donors. That doesn't prohibit, 177 00:10:17.340 --> 00:10:21.870 the law doesn't prohibit you speaking to your donors. Answer, 178 00:10:21.950 --> 00:10:23.710 but I didn't know he was a donor. As far 179 00:10:23.750 --> 00:10:26.009 as I knew, he was not a donor until I 180 00:10:26.049 --> 00:10:29.580 learned that in preparation for this testimony. Question, did it 181 00:10:29.620 --> 00:10:32.200 concern you at all that Maxwell was heavily involved with 182 00:10:32.220 --> 00:10:35.500 people that you knew and were close to? Answer, I 183 00:10:35.539 --> 00:10:38.399 knew people that knew her. Yes, that's true. Question, and 184 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:40.639 you just shrugged. You didn't want to look into it 185 00:10:40.899 --> 00:10:43.620 or have any questions about it? Answer, until her crimes 186 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:46.299 were revealed and she was indicted and tried and convicted, 187 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:48.620 I don't think people knew very much about at all 188 00:10:48.830 --> 00:10:52.269 what she was doing. Question, And then, how do you 189 00:10:52.289 --> 00:10:55.779 know Howard Lutnick? Answer, I know Howard Lutnick because when 190 00:10:55.820 --> 00:10:58.320 I was a senator on 9-11, the firm he headed, 191 00:10:58.379 --> 00:11:02.120 Kenner Fitzgerald, suffered the greatest loss of life. As I recall, 192 00:11:02.139 --> 00:11:05.720 something like 650 of his employees were murdered by terrorists 193 00:11:05.740 --> 00:11:08.980 that day. Howard Lutnick missed being a victim because he 194 00:11:09.019 --> 00:11:13.139 was delayed dropping his child off at kindergarten. Nancy Mace, 195 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:17.220 I know that. I asked how you knew him. Lawyer 196 00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:19.659 jumps in, you ask the question, let her finish. Clinton, 197 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:23.720 You asked a question. I'm going to answer your question. Mace, 198 00:11:24.100 --> 00:11:27.960 now you're going to yell at me? Clinton, this was 199 00:11:28.100 --> 00:11:31.279 what I spent my time doing. I spent. Mace jumps in. 200 00:11:31.539 --> 00:11:33.759 You're going to yell at me? I'm a survivor trying 201 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:36.379 to look out for other survivors trying to take care 202 00:11:36.419 --> 00:11:39.090 of one another. Clinton, and I was taking care of 203 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:42.070 people who lost 3,000 lives at the World Trade Center. 204 00:11:42.909 --> 00:11:45.289 Nancy Mace, I waited six months to get here today. 205 00:11:45.590 --> 00:11:50.120 Six months, and now you're being defiant and indignant today? Clinton, 206 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:53.200 you asked me about Howard Lutnick. Mace, I have now. 207 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:57.179 Epstein survivors, I'm a survivor myself. You have emails you've 208 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:59.460 denied that you've tried to get Jeffrey Epstein to give 209 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:02.519 you money. She gets cut off by Clinton. I did not. 210 00:12:02.820 --> 00:12:06.730 Now Clinton's cut off by Mace. But Howard Lutnick was 211 00:12:06.850 --> 00:12:09.450 used to get money. Cut off by Clinton. If you 212 00:12:09.470 --> 00:12:12.250 have an email with me asking Epstein for money. Mace, 213 00:12:12.610 --> 00:12:14.549 I have an email from Howard Lutnick sending it to 214 00:12:14.590 --> 00:12:19.549 Jeffrey Epstein. Lawyer jumps in. What was the question? Mace, 215 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.879 and his people to raise money for you, for an event, 216 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:28.539 an intimate event, for you at his office at Cantor Fitzgerald. Clinton, 217 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:30.820 if you let me finish, Mace cuts her off again, 218 00:12:31.580 --> 00:12:33.990 and Officegate, and say to this committee you didn't try 219 00:12:34.009 --> 00:12:37.850 to get money from Epstein. Clinton, I didn't. Mace, well, 220 00:12:37.889 --> 00:12:40.429 there's an intimate event in an email that Howard Lutnick 221 00:12:40.549 --> 00:12:43.590 emailed to Epstein's people, and Epstein to get him to 222 00:12:43.629 --> 00:12:46.860 come to your intimate event at Cantor Fitzgerald, a very 223 00:12:46.899 --> 00:12:49.240 small event, and so I'm not going to put up 224 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:51.509 with it, If you want to yell at me, that's fine, 225 00:12:51.730 --> 00:12:54.820 but I'll yell back, okay? I'm looking out for survivors. 226 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:58.679 I'm doing the job that you refused to do as 227 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:02.019

Secretary of State. Thank you, and I yield back to 228 00:13:02.059 --> 00:13:04.980 Congresswoman Luna. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up 229 00:13:05.019 --> 00:13:07.440 right there, and in the next episode dealing with the topic, 230 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:10.450 we'll pick up where we left off. All the information 231 00:13:10.470 --> 00:13:13.110 that goes with this episode can be found... in the 232 00:13:13.149 --> 00:13:16.769 description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode 233 00:13:17.230 --> 00:13:19.850 of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to 234 00:13:19.870 --> 00:13:22.340 pick up where we left off with the Hillary Clinton 235 00:13:22.860 --> 00:13:26.399 transcript from her trip to Congress. Clinton, no, I'm going 236 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:28.460 to finish answering the question, which I have a right 237 00:13:28.500 --> 00:13:31.960 to do. I am very sympathetic to your personal situation. 238 00:13:32.179 --> 00:13:34.580 I've read about it. I've seen you testify or speak 239 00:13:34.620 --> 00:13:36.899 on the floor about it. And I very much sympathize 240 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:40.139 with not only what you went through, but appreciate your 241 00:13:40.179 --> 00:13:42.990 effort to stand up for survivors. I was a senator 242 00:13:43.049 --> 00:13:46.700 representing the people who were murdered on 9-11. Nobody lost 243 00:13:46.740 --> 00:13:49.320 more people than Howard Ludnick. You can say whatever you want. 244 00:13:49.539 --> 00:13:51.980 You can call them and have them appear before the committee. 245 00:13:53.500 --> 00:13:55.940 But I knew him as the man who lost employees 246 00:13:56.279 --> 00:14:00.490 that he knew intimately, including his brother, Nancy Mace, and 247 00:14:00.500 --> 00:14:03.210 he was a go-between between you and Jeffrey Epstein raising 248 00:14:03.250 --> 00:14:06.830 money for you. Clinton's lawyer jumps in. Let her finish 249 00:14:07.049 --> 00:14:10.460 your answer, please. Let her finish your answer. Hillary Clinton, 250 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:12.500 you know what? If you don't want to hear what 251 00:14:12.539 --> 00:14:15.740 emotionally affected me, that's fine. But that's why I know 252 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:19.679 Howard Lutnick. I went to the memorial service every 9-11 253 00:14:19.860 --> 00:14:22.779 after the formal service was held with all of his 254 00:14:22.820 --> 00:14:26.980 people and his families. Nancy Mace, he was a go-between 255 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:32.340 for you and Jeffrey Epstein, even raising money for your campaign. Clinton, well, 256 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:35.419 Howard Lutnick and I did work together. Nancy Mace, thank you. 257 00:14:35.779 --> 00:14:38.279 I will now yield to you, Congresswoman Luna. Thank you. 258 00:14:38.889 --> 00:14:41.649 Clinton finishes, because we have a lot of victims that 259 00:14:41.690 --> 00:14:44.110 take care, to take care of, and we work together 260 00:14:44.129 --> 00:14:47.149 to rebuild downtown Manhattan. That's how I know Howard Lutnick. 261 00:14:49.250 --> 00:14:52.269 Chairman Comer jumps in. Why don't you move here? Want 262 00:14:52.309 --> 00:14:55.389 to get over here? Anna Paulina Luna, fine, I'll do 263 00:14:55.429 --> 00:15:01.799 the heavy lifting per usual. Paulina Luna, okay, am I good? Okay, 264 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:07.580 Secretary Clinton, thank you for being here today. Clinton, thank you, Congresswoman. Question. 265 00:15:07.860 --> 00:15:10.980 President Clinton has stated that he severed ties with Epstein 266 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:15.279 around 2005 prior to the 2008 conviction. Were you involved 267 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:19.470 or informed of any communication, email, calls, or meetings related 268 00:15:19.500 --> 00:15:22.870 to distancing the foundation and or your family after those 269 00:15:22.870 --> 00:15:27.129 2008 convictions? Answer. I was not. Question. You had mentioned 270 00:15:27.409 --> 00:15:30.570 that this committee had avoided calling people to testify who 271 00:15:30.590 --> 00:15:32.629 should be sitting here. I would like to show you 272 00:15:32.669 --> 00:15:35.570 some emails. If the staff could please pass out to 273 00:15:35.610 --> 00:15:45.149 the members of And the Secretary, EFTA 00878421 and EFTA 00705860, please, 274 00:15:45.490 --> 00:15:48.169 so she can see it. This will be Exhibit 14 275 00:15:48.169 --> 00:15:53.450 and 15 for the majority. Question, and I'll wait for 276 00:15:53.490 --> 00:15:55.789 you to get them so you can see them. Clinton, 277 00:15:55.830 --> 00:16:00.669 thank you. Speaker jumps in, unnamed speaker. Thank you very much, 278 00:16:00.750 --> 00:16:04.460 thank you very much. Are these two separate? Paulina Luna, yes. 279 00:16:04.950 --> 00:16:07.190 Question by the lawyer. Thank you. And I'm going to 280 00:16:07.230 --> 00:16:10.070 pass them down because I have more for my colleagues. Yep, 281 00:16:10.269 --> 00:16:13.649 one more here. Question. They're the same. There's two documents there. 282 00:16:14.250 --> 00:16:17.509 Paulina Luna. Yeah, there are two emails. Both different EFTAs. 283 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:24.740 Secretary Clinton. Would you please read EFTA 00705860? You don't 284 00:16:24.779 --> 00:16:27.419 have to read from. It's to Jeffrey Epstein. But you 285 00:16:27.460 --> 00:16:32.330 could read the context of the email. Unnamed speaker jumps in. Sorry, 286 00:16:32.370 --> 00:16:34.289 could you state that number again? Is the number at 287 00:16:34.309 --> 00:16:39.110 the bottom? Paulina Luna, yeah, it's at the bottom. It's 288 00:16:39.370 --> 00:16:46.320 EFTA 00705860. Speaker, this is Majority 14. Other speaker jumps in, 289 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:49.759 and these are all unnamed people. 14, yes, sir. Clinton, 290 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:52.659 thank you for a fun night. Your littlest girl was 291 00:16:52.740 --> 00:16:57.039 a little naughty. Paulina Luna, how does that make

you feel? Clinton, 292 00:16:57.299 --> 00:17:03.190 it makes me sick. Question, if you can read. The 293 00:17:03.350 --> 00:17:06.589 EFTA 00878421. This is also another email. Can you please 294 00:17:06.630 --> 00:17:09.569 just provide the context? It's an email to Jeffrey Epstein. 295 00:17:09.859 --> 00:17:12.779 If you could just read the context of what it is. Clinton, 296 00:17:12.900 --> 00:17:19.799 of course. The OH Jesus. Ohio Jesus. Oh Jesus. Paulina Luna. 297 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:22.000 And just the main body and context of the email. 298 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:26.029 Hillary Clinton. Oh. Said that she felt God's presence next 299 00:17:26.069 --> 00:17:28.630 to her when she was in bed. She knows that 300 00:17:28.670 --> 00:17:33.000 Jesus watches over her and he helped save her life. Question, 301 00:17:33.259 --> 00:17:36.619 how does that make you feel? Answer, it's bizarre. I 302 00:17:36.660 --> 00:17:39.299 don't know what it means. Question, the reason that I 303 00:17:39.380 --> 00:17:41.529 asked you to read both of these is because these 304 00:17:41.619 --> 00:17:44.990 emails were both sent by co-conspirators that were then given 305 00:17:45.029 --> 00:17:47.609 the plea deals and now have been given victim status. 306 00:17:48.170 --> 00:17:50.730 Both of these women were also named on an FBI 307 00:17:50.769 --> 00:17:53.410 document and they're on a number of other emails. Do 308 00:17:53.430 --> 00:17:56.109 you believe that the Department of Justice should reevaluate the 309 00:17:56.130 --> 00:17:59.170 plea deals for some of these women? Given that, as 310 00:17:59.210 --> 00:18:02.140 you can see, they have clearly done some things, probably 311 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:05.710 that they shouldn't have? Answer, I don't know the status 312 00:18:05.769 --> 00:18:07.950 of whether that would be legally possible, so I have 313 00:18:07.990 --> 00:18:11.509 no opinion. Question, I think outside the statute of limitations, 314 00:18:11.789 --> 00:18:14.869 they might be able to reinvestigate under the civil rights violations. 315 00:18:15.329 --> 00:18:17.710 Would you be in favor of that, or looking into 316 00:18:17.789 --> 00:18:20.950 any of the co-conspirators that were given plea deals down 317 00:18:20.990 --> 00:18:23.589 to victim status if they're credible evidence that they were 318 00:18:23.630 --> 00:18:27.470 trafficking young girls? And look, I get what Luna's saying here, 319 00:18:27.509 --> 00:18:29.130 and I agree, as you all know, get rid of 320 00:18:29.150 --> 00:18:32.390 the NPA. But shouldn't she be pushing for people like 321 00:18:32.430 --> 00:18:36.390 Leon Black to face the same kind of criticism? Answer. 322 00:18:36.690 --> 00:18:39.559 I think it should be pursued. Question. Okay, hold on. 323 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:42.619 I'd like to also show you another EFTA. If the 324 00:18:42.660 --> 00:18:46.279 staff can also pass this to the secretary. It's EFTA 016-56-217. 325 00:18:46.279 --> 00:18:48.720 And this would be Exhibit 16 for the majority. Question. 326 00:18:55.069 --> 00:18:57.930 And I'd also like to reflect on those previous EVFTAs. 327 00:18:58.309 --> 00:19:04.079 The EFTA 00705860, that was actually sent by a woman 328 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:08.700 by the name of Susan Hamlin. And then the other 329 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:13.400 EFTA 00878421 was sent by a woman named Nadia, who's 330 00:19:13.460 --> 00:19:17.799 also listed in other files as well. Answer, is this 331 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:24.390 single pages? Question, yes it is. Answer, oh sorry. Question, 332 00:19:24.430 --> 00:19:27.549 Secretary Clinton. This was actually added in an FBI briefing 333 00:19:27.569 --> 00:19:30.430 document when Epstein was in his New York trial. If 334 00:19:30.470 --> 00:19:33.150 you can look at the top left, the individual photo, 335 00:19:33.269 --> 00:19:36.730 who is that individual? Answer, I can't tell. It's a 336 00:19:36.769 --> 00:19:40.089 small blurry picture. Question, okay, for those who want to 337 00:19:40.109 --> 00:19:43.569 pull up the file, the photo of Jeffrey Epstein, this 338 00:19:43.609 --> 00:19:46.569 is actually a passport that was given. The individual's name 339 00:19:47.009 --> 00:19:52.200 is Marcus Robert Fortinelli. Do you think that this is 340 00:19:52.259 --> 00:19:57.490 a sign or a telltale sign of intelligence operation and pseudonames? Clinton, 341 00:19:57.569 --> 00:20:00.930 I can't speculate. I don't know. Question, okay, victims have 342 00:20:00.970 --> 00:20:04.190 stated to this committee, both Democrats and Republicans, that during 343 00:20:04.250 --> 00:20:07.880 Epstein's time, during his day camp, is what I'll call it, 344 00:20:08.859 --> 00:20:12.359 that he was also in active communication with Bush's CIA director. 345 00:20:12.740 --> 00:20:15.779 They also stated that he had an active ties to Russia, Israel, 346 00:20:15.819 --> 00:20:19.329 and Iran. Given your status, not just as First Lady, 347 00:20:19.690 --> 00:20:22.589 but also in your secretary position, have you ever been 348 00:20:22.630 --> 00:20:25.069 targeted by any of these countries as means of a 349 00:20:25.130 --> 00:20:31.319 foreign intelligence gathering operation? Are you aware of potential vulnerabilities? Answer, yeah, 350 00:20:31.579 --> 00:20:34.960 I was targeted by Russia in the 2016 campaign. I mean, 351 00:20:35.259 --> 00:20:38.180 I think that's pretty well known. Paulina Luna. And what 352 00:20:38.220 --> 00:20:42.150 about Israel or Iran? Answer. I don't know about either 353 00:20:42.230 --> 00:20:45.450 Israel or Iran. Question. Okay. Do you believe that Epstein 354 00:20:45.470 --> 00:20:49.710 was running potentially a honeypot operation with intelligence gathering operations 355 00:20:49.769 --> 00:20:53.799 to collect information on high profile individuals, both Democrat and 356 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:57.140 Republican of the United States in an effort to

sway 357 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:01.440 our foreign policy? Is it possible? Answer. I have no 358 00:21:01.460 --> 00:21:03.759 direct knowledge, but I think it's one of the areas 359 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:08.480 your committee should investigate. Question, do you think it's possible? Answer, well, 360 00:21:08.539 --> 00:21:11.019 I certainly think it's possible. It's a tried and true 361 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:15.049 technique of certain intelligence agencies. Question, do you believe that 362 00:21:15.089 --> 00:21:19.089 he was using honeypots in an effort to inaudible? Answer, 363 00:21:19.130 --> 00:21:22.450 I can't speculate. I don't know. Question, okay. And the 364 00:21:22.490 --> 00:21:26.160 topic of transparency, Secretary, were you ever denied access or 365 00:21:26.220 --> 00:21:29.380 did you ever inquire on the topic of UAP or 366 00:21:29.420 --> 00:21:33.799 Gilgamesh in your official personal capacity and why? Answer, I 367 00:21:33.819 --> 00:21:36.420 was never denied access because I never asked for access. 368 00:21:37.019 --> 00:21:40.150 Question okay. And in the efforts of having a transparent 369 00:21:40.190 --> 00:21:43.589 government and restoring faith within our country, do you believe 370 00:21:43.609 --> 00:21:46.049 that the American people deserve to access to those topics? 371 00:21:46.589 --> 00:21:50.279 Answer I do. Subject to any national security implication, I 372 00:21:50.299 --> 00:21:53.039 think the information should be made available. I think that's 373 00:21:53.059 --> 00:21:55.559 been ordered, or at least I read that that's been ordered. 374 00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:59.420 Question and lastly, before I yield my time, Chairman Comer. 375 00:21:59.779 --> 00:22:02.119 Do you believe that you were personally a target of 376 00:22:02.140 --> 00:22:06.880 an intelligence gathering operation specifically pertaining to Glenn Maxwell or 377 00:22:06.940 --> 00:22:09.819 Jeffrey Epstein? Answer. I have no reason to believe that. 378 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:14.819 I don't have any information. Question. Okay. Thank you, Chairman. 379 00:22:15.099 --> 00:22:18.500 I yield my time. Chairman Comer. Thank you. Representative Fallon. 380 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:23.539 Now we have Pat Fallon, who's a representative for the 381 00:22:23.579 --> 00:22:30.180 Republicans asking the questions. Okay. All right. Good. I'm Pat Fallon, 382 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:36.440 4th District of Texas. Clinton, Pat Fallon, okay. Question. Native 383 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:38.880 of Massachusetts, but no one would ever vote for me there. 384 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:41.809 I moved to Texas, so ma'am, I'm a pretty simple guy. 385 00:22:42.329 --> 00:22:43.980 I just want to keep things simple and just ask 386 00:22:44.029 --> 00:22:47.470 you some questions and give you a chance to respond. So, 387 00:22:47.710 --> 00:22:52.990 July 25th. An unanimous oversight subcommittee voted to subpoena yourself 388 00:22:53.430 --> 00:22:57.069 and your husband. And on the 25th of August, Chairman Comer... 389 00:22:57.190 --> 00:22:59.730 issued a lawful subpoena, which I would think it's fair 390 00:22:59.750 --> 00:23:03.220 to say you didn't cooperate. There was a lot of delays. 391 00:23:03.500 --> 00:23:06.559 It was August. We're now in February. The deposition was 392 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:09.500 set in December. Then it was delayed and moved to January. 393 00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:13.079 And now we're here in February. We all get accused 394 00:23:13.119 --> 00:23:15.289 of things. The higher you go up the ladder, the 395 00:23:15.309 --> 00:23:17.890 more people are accused of. If I don't have anything 396 00:23:17.910 --> 00:23:20.509 to hide, I'm eager to come in and testify. I 397 00:23:20.549 --> 00:23:24.640 just find that interesting. Why the delay for six months? Answer, Well, 398 00:23:24.900 --> 00:23:27.480 I think as I've said, we negotiated in good faith. 399 00:23:27.940 --> 00:23:30.440 And I believe the committee negotiated in good faith for 400 00:23:30.460 --> 00:23:32.730 a while because we thought at least I'll speak for 401 00:23:32.769 --> 00:23:36.849 myself that I could provide whatever information I had, which 402 00:23:36.890 --> 00:23:39.269 was not much in the same form that you accepted 403 00:23:39.309 --> 00:23:42.690 it from former attorneys general and FBI directors who had 404 00:23:42.730 --> 00:23:45.210 much more direct knowledge or could have had much more 405 00:23:45.259 --> 00:23:48.839 direct knowledge about the investigation you were conducting. and I 406 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:51.539 found it bewildering that I couldn't provide what I knew 407 00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:54.660 in writing under penalty of perjury as others had done. 408 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:58.640 Question okay, and I'd say better late than never, so 409 00:23:58.660 --> 00:24:03.210 I'm glad you're here. In September of 22, ABC program 410 00:24:03.230 --> 00:24:05.089 The View had you on as the guest, and you 411 00:24:05.109 --> 00:24:07.470 were quoted as saying, no one is above the law. 412 00:24:07.930 --> 00:24:11.930 Do you still agree with that? Answer, I agree with that. Question, 413 00:24:12.369 --> 00:24:14.809 as do I, and I think Senator Clinton, that's why 414 00:24:14.829 --> 00:24:19.079 you're here. Answer, I absolutely agree with that. Question, when 415 00:24:19.099 --> 00:24:21.859 did you first meet Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, I never met 416 00:24:21.900 --> 00:24:25.369 Jeffrey Epstein. Question, you never met? Okay. When did you 417 00:24:25.380 --> 00:24:28.670 first meet Ghislaine Maxwell? Answer, I have no recollection of 418 00:24:28.710 --> 00:24:31.109 when I first met her. Question, so you might have 419 00:24:31.130 --> 00:24:34.789 met her, but you don't remember? Answer, I do not. Question, okay, 420 00:24:34.849 --> 00:24:38.750 so obviously. Describe your relationship as pretty much non-existent with 421 00:24:38.789 --> 00:24:42.029

both of them then. Answer, yeah. I had at least 422 00:24:42.069 --> 00:24:45.670 casual acquaintance with her. I had nothing with him. Question, okay. 423 00:24:46.049 --> 00:24:51.509 Would you describe your husband's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein as limited, cordial, close? Answer, 424 00:24:51.950 --> 00:24:54.529 limited for a limited period of time with respect to 425 00:24:54.609 --> 00:24:58.250 using his airplane. Question, okay. And how about your husband's 426 00:24:58.309 --> 00:25:02.349 relationship with Ms. Maxwell? Answer, I think they knew each 427 00:25:02.390 --> 00:25:05.549 other for a longer period of time. Question, okay. So 428 00:25:05.569 --> 00:25:09.410 for the record, in 1992, Epstein donated a grand to 429 00:25:09.450 --> 00:25:13.170 your husband's presidential campaign in 93, 10 grand to the 430 00:25:13.210 --> 00:25:16.420 White House, historical association while you were in the White 431 00:25:16.460 --> 00:25:19.460 House and your husband were. And then he visited the 432 00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:22.420 White House, as I've said, I think ad nauseum 17 433 00:25:22.420 --> 00:25:28.250 times from 93 to 95. And then in 99, a $ 20, 000 434 00:25:27.609 --> 00:25:31.769 donation to the Senate campaign or an affiliate allied campaign. 435 00:25:32.109 --> 00:25:35.349 And then in 2006, 25 grand to the Clinton Foundation. 436 00:25:35.910 --> 00:25:39.089 And then post-Clinton presidency, your husband was on the plane 437 00:25:39.170 --> 00:25:42.970 somewhere in the neighborhood of 26 times, right? Answer, I 438 00:25:43.009 --> 00:25:45.230 can't vouch for everything you're going to say. I can't 439 00:25:45.250 --> 00:25:49.309 vouch for. Question, all right, but you're not disputing it. Answer, no, 440 00:25:49.349 --> 00:25:51.460 I'm not accepting it, but I can't vouch for it. 441 00:25:51.539 --> 00:25:55.900 I can't respond to it. Question, okay, all right, in 2008, 442 00:25:55.900 --> 00:25:59.319 Jeffrey Epstein was convicted of two felony counts, correct? Answer, 443 00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:03.279 were they felonies? I don't recall. Question, they were federal felonies, yeah. Answer, 444 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:09.710 were they felonies? Lawyer jumps in, state felonies. Hillary, state felonies, okay. Fallon, 445 00:26:10.049 --> 00:26:12.690 Felonies nonetheless. Okay, so just bear with me on this, 446 00:26:12.769 --> 00:26:16.750 because again, give you a chance to respond. Your husband 447 00:26:16.809 --> 00:26:20.059 ran for governor five times. The last time, in 1990, 448 00:26:20.059 --> 00:26:22.259 or 86, I think he almost got a half a 449 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:26.039 million votes. In 92, he got 45 million votes, 47 450 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:30.319 million in 96. When you ran in 2008, you got 451 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.940 nearly 20 million in the primary. And he was governor, 452 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.450 you were senator, secretary of state, he was president. You've 453 00:26:37.470 --> 00:26:40.680 met hundreds of thousands of people, probably, way more than 454 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:43.799 the average typical person would. And my point here is, 455 00:26:44.180 --> 00:26:46.980 all these millions of people that supported you and your husband, 456 00:26:47.380 --> 00:26:50.670 hundreds of thousands that you met, in 2010, one of 457 00:26:50.710 --> 00:26:53.329 the most significant events of your life is going to 458 00:26:53.369 --> 00:26:56.990 be your daughter's, your only daughter's wedding. You have 500 459 00:26:56.990 --> 00:27:00.430 wedding guests from all reports. That means there's a groom involved, 460 00:27:00.670 --> 00:27:04.509 so you're distilling down to 250. Only 250 people can attend. 461 00:27:05.369 --> 00:27:08.190 And it's your testimony that, how did Ms. Maxwell end 462 00:27:08.230 --> 00:27:10.849 up at the wedding? Clinton, she was a guest at 463 00:27:10.869 --> 00:27:14.589 Ted Way, who was a longtime family friend. Question, so 464 00:27:14.970 --> 00:27:16.970 it was just an odd coincidence that she was at 465 00:27:17.029 --> 00:27:19.130 one of the most? Oh, I mean, that's fine. If 466 00:27:19.170 --> 00:27:23.240 that's your testimony, that's your testimony. Clinton, I was not 467 00:27:23.259 --> 00:27:27.019 telling my dates who their guests could, or my guests 468 00:27:27.059 --> 00:27:31.460 who their dates could be. Question, it's just an odd coincidence. Okay, see? 469 00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:34.940 Would you describe your husband as a smart guy? Speaker 470 00:27:34.940 --> 00:27:37.349 4 jumps in. Excuse me? Are you asking her to 471 00:27:37.390 --> 00:27:41.589 testify about her husband? Pat Fallon, I'm not. Question, because 472 00:27:41.609 --> 00:27:43.470 he's going to be here tomorrow, so you can ask 473 00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:46.140 questions to the witness that are for her. But it 474 00:27:46.180 --> 00:27:48.819 seems to me that you're asking questions that are, require, 475 00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:52.619 an opinion. Fallon, how long have you been married? Can 476 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:55.380 I ask that? Answer, oh, I do have an answer 477 00:27:55.420 --> 00:27:58.480 for that. 50 years. Question, he's a pretty smart guy 478 00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:01.380 by all accounts. Would you agree with that? Highly intelligent. 479 00:28:01.539 --> 00:28:03.240 I think he is. I didn't vote for him, but 480 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:06.369 I think he is. We can agree on that, right? 481 00:28:06.529 --> 00:28:09.589 I mean, I don't think that's controversial, counselor, because everybody 482 00:28:09.630 --> 00:28:12.490 that I've ever met that has met your husband and 483 00:28:12.549 --> 00:28:15.470 has first-hand experience describes him as the smartest guy in 484 00:28:15.490 --> 00:28:19.289 the room when you're in the room. Very smart. Scary recall. 485 00:28:19.829 --> 00:28:22.410 If he meets you 20 years later, he remembers what 486 00:28:22.430 -->

00:28:25.509 you wore, what they were saying, which is a great 487 00:28:25.549 --> 00:28:28.369 tool and asset when you're a politician. So this is 488 00:28:28.410 --> 00:28:30.470 great recall. I'm sure it served him well in his 489 00:28:30.509 --> 00:28:33.769 political career. So given, I just find it surprising that 490 00:28:34.009 --> 00:28:36.349 that in January 26, he all sent a joint letter 491 00:28:36.630 --> 00:28:39.490 from you and him, where you asserted that he, he quote, 492 00:28:39.950 --> 00:28:43.339 didn't recall encountering Mr. Epstein or any specific interactions with 493 00:28:43.390 --> 00:28:48.079 him while in office. Hillary Clinton, that was his recollection. Question, okay, 494 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:49.940 but even though we established that he was in the 495 00:28:49.980 --> 00:28:53.400 White House, Epstein, I'm talking about 17 times, and there's 496 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:56.599 a public report that there were personal tours given, not 497 00:28:56.660 --> 00:28:59.160 only in the White House, but even the residence, and 498 00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:01.960 somebody that smart just happened to not remember any of it. 499 00:29:03.750 --> 00:29:06.589 Lawyer jumps in. This witness can answer questions about her 500 00:29:06.630 --> 00:29:09.630 own declaration about what she recalls are new. Again, the 501 00:29:10.089 --> 00:29:13.069 president is going to be here tomorrow. All right, folks, 502 00:29:13.089 --> 00:29:14.650 we're going to wrap up right here. And in the 503 00:29:14.690 --> 00:29:16.589 next episode, we're going to pick up with Pat Fallon 504 00:29:17.170 --> 00:29:20.509 asking questions. All the information that goes with this episode 505 00:29:20.569 --> 00:29:23.670 can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone? 506 00:29:23.769 --> 00:29:27.740 And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In 507 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.119 this episode, we're picking up where we left off with 508 00:29:30.140 --> 00:29:36.339 the Hillary Clinton transcript from her conversation with Congress. Question, okay, 509 00:29:36.900 --> 00:29:38.890 but even though we've established that he was in the 510 00:29:38.910 --> 00:29:41.900 White House, Epstein, I'm talking about... about 17 times, and 511 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:44.900 there's a public report that there were personal tours given, 512 00:29:45.259 --> 00:29:47.220 not only in the White House, but even the residence, 513 00:29:47.769 --> 00:29:50.309 and somebody that smart just happened not to remember any 514 00:29:50.369 --> 00:29:52.990 of it. Lawyer for Clinton jumps in. This witness can 515 00:29:53.049 --> 00:29:55.670 answer the question about her own declaration about what she 516 00:29:55.730 --> 00:29:58.359 recalls are new. Again, the president is going to be 517 00:29:58.380 --> 00:30:02.059 here tomorrow. question all right well your client talked about 518 00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:05.779 patterns in practice and Bill Clinton her husband said that 519 00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:08.480 he doesn't remember meeting Epstein during his time in office 520 00:30:08.779 --> 00:30:11.819 took trips with him on his plane to New York 521 00:30:12.180 --> 00:30:17.289 England Japan China Singapore Bangkok Brunei Rwanda Mozambique South Africa 522 00:30:17.329 --> 00:30:20.769 France Norway and many more so it's really not a 523 00:30:20.809 --> 00:30:23.849 question of where they went together but where they didn't 524 00:30:23.869 --> 00:30:28.990 go together do you know how the colloquial name for St. 525 00:30:29.029 --> 00:30:34.039 James Island Clinton, no. Question? It's Epstein Island, okay? I'll 526 00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:36.630 refer to it in both contexts. To your knowledge, did 527 00:30:36.670 --> 00:30:39.829 your husband ever visit Little St. James? Answer, not to 528 00:30:39.869 --> 00:30:43.650 my knowledge. Question? Okay, do you know who Doug Band is? Answer, 529 00:30:43.690 --> 00:30:46.650 he worked for my husband for years. Question, so by 530 00:30:46.710 --> 00:30:49.019 reports on the press, he was a key architect of 531 00:30:49.059 --> 00:30:52.180 the Bill Clinton post-presidency, a top aide, the body man, 532 00:30:52.220 --> 00:30:55.359 the fixer, counselor, and close advisor. Would you disagree with 533 00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.160 any of those? Answer, he worked for him in a 534 00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:03.670 number of capacities. Question, about 10 years? 02 to 2012, 535 00:31:03.670 --> 00:31:05.890 I think it was. Answer, he worked for him, I 536 00:31:05.910 --> 00:31:09.849 don't know. Question, fair to say? Give or take a decade? Okay. 537 00:31:10.150 --> 00:31:12.490 He's on the record as asserting that Mr. Clinton did 538 00:31:12.529 --> 00:31:16.890 indeed visit Epstein's Island. Do you think he's lying? Answer, yes. Question, 539 00:31:16.950 --> 00:31:19.119 why would he lie? Answer, I don't know, you'd have 540 00:31:19.140 --> 00:31:22.759 to ask him. Question, okay. Then you know Virginia? Have 541 00:31:22.779 --> 00:31:24.779 you heard of Virginia? I'm sure you didn't meet her, 542 00:31:25.019 --> 00:31:28.299 but have you heard of Virginia? Answer, I've heard about 543 00:31:28.339 --> 00:31:30.690 her in press coverage. Answer, I didn't meet her either. 544 00:31:30.950 --> 00:31:34.009 She was a victim of Mr. Epstein. Tragically, she didn't survive. 545 00:31:34.349 --> 00:31:37.710 She's no longer with us. She testified under oath that 546 00:31:37.750 --> 00:31:40.839 she saw Mr. Clinton on Epstein's island two separate occasions. 547 00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:44.440 You think she's lying? Answer, I have no information whatsoever 548 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:47.019 that he was ever on the island. Question, and just 549 00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:49.400 to be fair, why do you think that is? I mean, 550 00:31:49.420 --> 00:31:53.539 that's my question. Answer, I'm not going to offer my opinion. Question, 551 00:31:53.559 -->

00:31:57.910 all right, that's fair. Answer, I don't have any information. Question, 552 00:31:57.970 --> 00:32:01.440 further to your point earlier, about practices and patterns, now 553 00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:06.059 there's a third person, Steve Scully. Have you heard of him? Answer, who? Question, 554 00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:10.609 Steve Scully. Answer, Steve Scully. Answer, yes. Question, I know 555 00:32:10.730 --> 00:32:14.710 of a Steve Scully. By, who was at Apple? Question, well, 556 00:32:14.869 --> 00:32:18.730 he was an IT contractor on the infamous aforementioned island. 557 00:32:19.150 --> 00:32:21.630 He also asserts that he saw a Mr. Clinton and 558 00:32:21.670 --> 00:32:23.809 that this is a quote from him lounging around the 559 00:32:23.849 --> 00:32:27.880 porch area of Little St. James Villa. It's just oddly specific. 560 00:32:28.380 --> 00:32:31.690 Do you think that this third person was lying as well? Answer, 561 00:32:31.849 --> 00:32:35.490 I don't know information about Mr. Scully. Question, I wanted 562 00:32:35.509 --> 00:32:37.809 to ask you that because I find that odd. It's 563 00:32:37.829 --> 00:32:40.269 a pattern in practice, as you mentioned. Have you ever 564 00:32:40.349 --> 00:32:45.140 visited Epstein Island or Little St. James Island? Clinton, no. Question, okay, 565 00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:47.359 so just to be clear, is it your testimony that, 566 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:50.400 for instance, you've never flew in a private plane, flew 567 00:32:51.019 --> 00:32:53.859 into St. Thomas Airport, and then didn't enter the terminal, 568 00:32:53.900 --> 00:32:56.809 but instead boarded a helicopter to Little St. James Island? 569 00:32:56.930 --> 00:32:59.900 You never did that? Answer, I did not. Question, okay, 570 00:32:59.920 --> 00:33:03.119 so Virginia Roberts, who we just talked about, who we 571 00:33:03.220 --> 00:33:06.480 all find highly credible, I think in a bipartisan manner, 572 00:33:06.859 --> 00:33:09.980 stated that Mr. Clinton walked into Vanity Fair and threatened them, 573 00:33:10.819 --> 00:33:13.299 and that they better not write and expose the detailing 574 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.680 the crimes of his good friend Jeffrey Epstein. Do you 575 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:20.380 find that troubling at all? Answer, I find that not believable. Question, okay, 576 00:33:20.900 --> 00:33:24.680 let's turn to the current administration, President Trump, because you 577 00:33:24.700 --> 00:33:28.089 said some pretty choice words. of the administration and President Trump, 578 00:33:28.490 --> 00:33:32.589 aggressive and even some coupled with incendiary claims about President 579 00:33:32.630 --> 00:33:34.950 Trump and his DOJ. Fair to say that you would 580 00:33:35.009 --> 00:33:38.490 not describe them as transparent? Answer, I would not describe 581 00:33:38.539 --> 00:33:42.799 them as transparent. Question okay, how about you were an 582 00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:47.559 enthusiastic supporter

of Joe Biden and Vice President Harris when 583 00:33:47.740 --> 00:33:50.859 each of them respectively ran for president? Clinton, I was. 584 00:33:51.380 --> 00:33:55.400 Question okay, would you describe the Biden-Harris administration as As 585 00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:58.759 an administration that was committed to transparency? Answer, to the 586 00:33:58.779 --> 00:34:02.039 best of their ability. Question, okay. You also asserted, and 587 00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:04.079 if I get this wrong, please let me know, or 588 00:34:04.099 --> 00:34:07.119 at least insinuated, that President Trump was closer to Epstein 589 00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:11.530 than your husband socially. Answer, I think there's an enormous 590 00:34:11.570 --> 00:34:14.909 amount of evidence that goes back many, many years demonstrating 591 00:34:14.929 --> 00:34:17.889 their relationship. Question, okay. Do you know how many times 592 00:34:17.949 --> 00:34:21.349 Jeffrey Epstein visited the Trump 45 White House? Answer, I 593 00:34:21.389 --> 00:34:24.730 do not know. Question, by all accounts, in evidence, zero. 594 00:34:25.659 --> 00:34:29.059 And how many times did he visit the Clinton White House? Answer, 595 00:34:29.099 --> 00:34:32.539 I don't know. Question, it was 17 times. How much 596 00:34:32.579 --> 00:34:35.989 did Jeffrey Epstein ever donate to Trump politically? Answer, I 597 00:34:36.030 --> 00:34:38.809 have no idea. Question, there was zero. But we have 598 00:34:38.849 --> 00:34:41.789 established that he donated to either you or your husband, 599 00:34:42.030 --> 00:34:46.010 your committee's 21 grand. Agree? Answer, I have no information 600 00:34:46.050 --> 00:34:50.829 that is personally based about their relationship. Question, Jeffrey Epstein 601 00:34:50.849 --> 00:34:55.519 donated $ 35, 000 to foundations. One was a $ 10, 000 donation. to 602 00:34:55.539 --> 00:34:58.780 the White House Historical Society in 93, when the Clintons, 603 00:34:58.940 --> 00:35:02.460 your family, was in the White House. He donated, and 604 00:35:02.500 --> 00:35:05.780 then there was a 2006 donation to the Clinton Foundation. 605 00:35:06.300 --> 00:35:09.750 He donated similarly to the Trump White House. Never. No 606 00:35:09.789 --> 00:35:13.710 foundations either. How many pages of Epstein files were released 607 00:35:13.969 --> 00:35:17.510 by the Oversight Committee in 2021 to 2023 when the 608 00:35:17.550 --> 00:35:21.090 Democrats were in the majority? Answer, I have no idea. Question, 609 00:35:21.130 --> 00:35:25.469 it was zero. Answer, but there was also an ongoing investigation... of, 610 00:35:25.530 --> 00:35:29.409 I believe, Glenn Maxwell during that time period. Question, so 611 00:35:29.429 --> 00:35:31.670 the answer is, I can share with you, was zero. 612 00:35:32.630 --> 00:35:35.570 How many pages did the Biden Department of Justice release 613 00:35:35.889 --> 00:35:39.659 from the Epstein files from 21 to 25? Answer, I 614 00:35:39.699 --> 00:35:43.139 have no information. I have no personal information. I've read 615 00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:45.420 that because of the trial of Glenn Maxwell. That was 616 00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:49.400 not done, but I have no personal information. Question, yeah, okay, well, 617 00:35:49.460 --> 00:35:51.909 that was zero. And that ended quite a bit ago. 618 00:35:52.070 --> 00:35:54.650 There were no images and there were no videos. When 619 00:35:54.670 --> 00:35:57.449 you compare the GOP Oversight Committee, when we took over 620 00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:01.480 in January of 23 to present, there were 65,000 documents 621 00:36:01.500 --> 00:36:04.679 that had been released. And then how many videos? There 622 00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:08.320 was nothing under the Biden administration. There was no images 623 00:36:08.420 --> 00:36:13.250 as well. There's been 180,000 images, 200,000 videos, and now 624 00:36:13.489 --> 00:36:16.809 over 3 million pages. So when you compare them, that's 625 00:36:16.849 --> 00:36:22.480 an odd definition of who's transparent and who isn't. Last thing, 626 00:36:22.739 --> 00:36:26.619 we've established that there's a $ 20, 000 donation that Jeffrey Epstein 627 00:36:26.659 --> 00:36:30.079 made to an affiliated allied campaign to get you elected 628 00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:33.360 to the presidency. Have you returned or donated that? He 629 00:36:33.389 --> 00:36:36.250 got convicted in 2008 of two felony counts. Have you 630 00:36:36.309 --> 00:36:39.929 ever returned the $ 20, 000? Answer, it didn't come to my campaign. 631 00:36:39.949 --> 00:36:42.190 I was not in charge of it. Question, so you've 632 00:36:42.230 --> 00:36:45.929 never donated that to charity? Answer, I've donated many, many 633 00:36:45.989 --> 00:36:50.170 hundreds of thousands of dollars. Lawyer jumps in, congressman. I'd 634 00:36:50.190 --> 00:36:51.750 like to know the facts in the record that show 635 00:36:51.789 --> 00:36:57.250 Jeffrey Epstein donated to her presidential campaign. Answer. By Clinton. No, 636 00:36:57.309 --> 00:37:01.070 he's talking about the Senate campaign, I think. Pat Fallon. Yeah, 637 00:37:01.190 --> 00:37:06.170 I'm sorry. They're not privileged. Question. 1998 was the Senate. 638 00:37:06.250 --> 00:37:08.610 You're right. I stand corrected. I think that would be 639 00:37:08.650 --> 00:37:15.150 a nice suggestion. Next up, Representative Cloud from Texas. Clinton. Hi, 640 00:37:15.190 --> 00:37:22.199 could you identify yourself? Representative Cloud. Michael Cloud. 27th, Texas. Question, 641 00:37:22.219 --> 00:37:24.800 and thank you for being here, Madam Secretary. You were 642 00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:27.179 asked if Jeffrey Epstein played a role in shaping the 643 00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:29.699 Clinton Global Initiative. Is it correct to say that you 644 00:37:29.739 --> 00:37:32.599 have mentioned that you do not know whether this was 645 00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:36.199 the case or not? Answer, I have no

information. Question, 646 00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:38.710 we have a letter, of course, from Epstein's lawyer stating 647 00:37:38.730 --> 00:37:40.829 that he was, and I quote, was part of the 648 00:37:40.889 --> 00:37:44.670 original group that conceived the Clinton Global Initiative. If you 649 00:37:44.710 --> 00:37:47.809 do not know, who would know? Answer, I don't know 650 00:37:47.849 --> 00:37:50.730 because I was not involved. Question, you don't know who 651 00:37:50.769 --> 00:37:53.769 was involved in the beginning? Answer, well, my husband was 652 00:37:53.829 --> 00:37:58.030 obviously involved. Question, so your husband would know at least? Answer, well, 653 00:37:58.050 --> 00:38:01.670 you certainly can ask him. Okay, similarly, you've mentioned that 654 00:38:01.730 --> 00:38:04.329 you do not know how the funds were recruited to 655 00:38:04.369 --> 00:38:07.530 the Clinton Global Initiative. Is that an accurate understanding of 656 00:38:07.550 --> 00:38:12.099 your testimony today? Answer, no donations were made. Lots of donations. 657 00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:16.920 Many individual groups, businesses, philanthropies have donated money to the 658 00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:20.760 Clinton Global Initiative? Answer, yeah, sure. What was the process 659 00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:23.489 of recruiting those donations, I guess? Or what was your 660 00:38:23.530 --> 00:38:27.190 understanding of it or your involvement in it? Answer, some 661 00:38:27.230 --> 00:38:29.489 of it was spontaneous. Some of it was through the 662 00:38:29.530 --> 00:38:32.349 team that helps to raise money. It's a combination of 663 00:38:32.409 --> 00:38:36.289 supporting charitable work. Question, do you know if Jeffrey Epstein 664 00:38:36.309 --> 00:38:39.820 was involved in helping find donors, recruit donors? Answer, I 665 00:38:39.860 --> 00:38:42.820 have no reason to believe that. I don't know. Question, 666 00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:45.219 you don't know if he was involved in donor relations 667 00:38:45.260 --> 00:38:48.429 in any way? Answer, I have no, as I say, 668 00:38:48.590 --> 00:38:51.239 reason to believe it, but I don't know. Question, do 669 00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:53.820 you know who would know? Answer, the people who were 670 00:38:53.860 --> 00:38:56.360 involved in raising the money, but I was not involved 671 00:38:56.559 --> 00:39:00.619 with CGI in those early years. Question, what about when 672 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:03.389 you were there? Answer, I have no knowledge that Jeffrey 673 00:39:03.469 --> 00:39:07.570 Epstein was involved at all. Question, how many, roughly, staff 674 00:39:07.590 --> 00:39:12.409 members are there in the Clinton Global Initiative? Answer, it 675 00:39:12.469 --> 00:39:16.429 was varied over the years, but hundreds. Question, and involved 676 00:39:16.449 --> 00:39:21.079 with donor relations? Answer, dozens, I suppose. Question, dozens? Okay. 677 00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:25.300 As best we know, it's been public reported that in 2024, 678 00:39:25.300 --> 00:39:28.800 Ghislaine Maxwell, or Ghislaine, I think is how you pronounce it, 679 00:39:29.570 --> 00:39:33.190 arranged a... wired $ 1 million to a publicist group for 680 00:39:33.230 --> 00:39:36.739 the inaugural CGI event, referring to it internally as the 681 00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:40.659 Clinton Project. Epstein was copied on related emails and questioned 682 00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:43.579 the timing and destination of the funds. Were you aware 683 00:39:43.619 --> 00:39:47.780 of this $ 1 million payment? Answer, I was not. Questioned, 684 00:39:48.500 --> 00:39:51.760 Were you aware of it before today? Answer, no. Well, 685 00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:56.369 in preparing for this. Question, in preparation, you were made known. Okay, 686 00:39:56.429 --> 00:39:59.110 do you know who would have known? Answer, I don't 687 00:39:59.150 --> 00:40:00.849 even know if it's true, so I have no way 688 00:40:00.889 --> 00:40:03.269 of telling you. Question, you don't know who had the 689 00:40:03.289 --> 00:40:07.210 Clinton Global Initiative? What staff would have handled million-dollar donations 690 00:40:07.550 --> 00:40:11.780 or bill relationships? Answer, I didn't go. It went to 691 00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:14.920 a group called Publicis, which is not a Clinton Global Initiative, 692 00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:17.679 so I would not know. question while the email said 693 00:40:17.699 --> 00:40:20.420 it was for the Clinton Project. Answer, first of all, 694 00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:23.340 I have no idea whether that's true. And secondly, it 695 00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:26.519 went to a third party. Question, okay, Maxwell was honored 696 00:40:26.860 --> 00:40:30.960 and given complimentary access at the 2013 CGI conference for 697 00:40:30.980 --> 00:40:35.050 your ocean conservation work. Years after public allegations against her 698 00:40:35.090 --> 00:40:38.409 and Epstein were public, were you involved in approving participants 699 00:40:38.710 --> 00:40:42.150 or honorees at the CGI events? Answer, I was not. 700 00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:44.559 but I don't know that there were public allegations at 701 00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:47.639 that point in time, so I can't respond to that. Question, 702 00:40:47.659 --> 00:40:51.170 so you were not involved in approval? Answer, I was not. Question, 703 00:40:51.429 --> 00:40:54.210 you didn't know what was going on or that she 704 00:40:54.250 --> 00:40:56.369 was going to be honored at the events? Answer, no, 705 00:40:56.429 --> 00:41:01.150 I was not. Question, do you know who would have known? Answer, 706 00:41:01.210 --> 00:41:03.690 whoever staff was at the time, but there's been a 707 00:41:03.710 --> 00:41:07.449 lot of staff turnover in 20 plus years. Question, a 708 00:41:07.590 --> 00:41:09.969 number of things you've mentioned today. You've mentioned that you've 709 00:41:10.590 --> 00:41:13.829 not been able to recall, and that's understandable. Is it 710 00:41:13.889 --> 00:41:16.030 possible that any of the information that you have not 711 00:41:16.050 --> 00:41:18.670 been able to recall would have been found in 30,000 712 00:41:18.670 --> 00:41:21.829 emails that went missing? Answer, no, I don't believe so. 713 00:41:22.610 --> 00:41:24.710 I had no reason to believe that. So it's not 714 00:41:24.730 --> 00:41:27.389 that I'm not recalling things that were there. I don't 715 00:41:27.429 --> 00:41:30.929 recall at all. Question, very good. Unfortunately, I have to 716 00:41:30.969 --> 00:41:34.159 catch a flight. Thank you for your time. All right, folks, 717 00:41:34.179 --> 00:41:35.780 we're going to wrap up right here. 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