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Speaker 1: I record this podcast on Gaetigul Country. I'd like to pay my respect to the traditional custodians.
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Speaker 2: And I'm recording on Urando Country, part of the cooler Nation. Let's go.
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Speaker 1: I know you're gonna dig this. It's like I've been given like an extra sprinkle of something.
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Speaker 2: You've got layers, Yeah, I got layers.
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Speaker 3: I was just thinking, I'm like, we're just such beautiful storytellers.
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Speaker 1: You make a lot of sense to that girl. No, I'm done, let's.
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Speaker 3: Stop into honest to go Vegas, Baby, let's go.
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Speaker 1: Weep last Vegas, going to Vegas.
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Speaker 3: I know, guys, Maddie roped me into jumping on a flight to LA and then LA to Vegas.
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Speaker 1: It's, you know what, we have to do things while we can, while we're young, while we're you.
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Speaker 3: Know, you are the only person that can actually rope you into something like yeah, like if anyone else I would be absolutely not.
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Speaker 2: But do you know what it is?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I think it's also my travel anxiety with traveling overseas. You are one person that I did travel with when we went to LA, and we've traveled other places as well, like gold Co says, So I know how you work so I have faith that if anything happened, you would know, and you have traveled, so it's good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't really.
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Speaker 3: Have many people in my life that have done that from Europe as well, exactly.
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Speaker 2: So you're like, I'm ready to go. You're ready to go again?
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Speaker 1: Oh sho. You've got to do things while you can. And seeing that Beyonce show was absolutely highlight of my life. So going back to see that is like definitely I was, I was, I was going to do it all along, Like I remember.
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Speaker 2: Thinking you're going to be seeing her four times?
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Speaker 1: Four times? Yeah, and you know what, it will be a moment in my life that I remember forever.
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Speaker 2: But also when you're going to do a Cowboy Carter tour again, you know.
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Speaker 1: Exactly we'll be on the last time of the tour. We're going to be like seeing her cry because she'll be so sad it's over, oh don't. So I'm really excited for that, but I'm also just excited for the warmth. It's about forty degrees in Vegas.
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Speaker 2: Now into the desert.
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Speaker 1: We go into the desert. We're going to see the sphere hopefully get to see the Backstreet Boys. I mean these concerts mega.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But speaking about concerts, what we can't get caught on the kiss cam?
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Speaker 3: O my god that this has gone viral and now places like sports arenas are all doing the kiss cam and can you absolutely taking the pee out of them? He had to step down, he stepped out of his business. He literally had to resign, and the poor and everyone's like, the poor wife, and I'm like, yes, my fucking heart breaks for imagine you're getting a text message and then your husband is going viral for cheating because he got caught at a culplot contry and.
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Speaker 1: You know who he was cheating with, the head of HR of his company.
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Speaker 2: Trust she is that's against.
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Speaker 1: There, and they're like, I've got all the answers, this is the right thing to do in life. And here she is with her bosses hands around her at a concert, like, come on, brazy, that's next level.
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Speaker 2: The fear.
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Speaker 3: I watched the video on the way here, and the absolute fear in their eyes was fucking hello, you know what I love?
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Speaker 1: The friend whoever's with them is just cracking up knowing that they've been exposed. The girl that was that was her friend, that was her friend, and so she's just laughing, thinking, Wow, this is going down, like everything is unraveling. I read online that he released this statement and well it's fake, oh, because I read it and I felt like, oh, this is because at the end he quote from the song like lights will guide you home and I will fix you. I'm brow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, how is hilarious? His net worth is like twenty million or something. It's crazy you.
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Speaker 1: Would go to you know what, it's going to be half for that now when the wife.
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Speaker 2: I am marry a billionaire and get them to cheat on you.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's but do you think that we could get on the kiss cam in Vegas at some show?
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Speaker 3: Like okay, So this is what I love when I was in America was that there was I was at the basketball and they had these games where you can pretty much like they bring up the kiss cam and they're like, okay, guess if their friends married, divorced or like something like or like sneaky links I don't know, and so you can click like which button they are And I just wish we had that here because it'd be so funny, funny, Like I've heard so yeah, so many things that like basketball is they they will invite like six or seven girls, and they'll make sure that their team like separates and seats them like surrounded by yeah, like all around the stadium. So all of their sneaky links are there, All the sneaky links are there in the same room.
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Speaker 2: That is not but they like, it's true, Brook, it's true.
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Speaker 1: Wait, were you a sneaky link?
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Speaker 3: No way, Robert Pattinson is one of them, not the actual Robert Pattinson, the guy I called Robert. Okay, Okay, So that's the worst way you could be getting caught cheating though, Like at a concert.
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Speaker 1: What do you think is the right thing to do after that moment? Like, what do you do?
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Speaker 2: Will resign? Yeah, I think you did a good job. Resign from your business. Like it's viral, it's literally gone. But also they just like obviously the right thing and
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not cheated.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, But the reaction is what is what fucked them over, because like if they just stayed there and you know, nobody would have thought anything of it, Like he's he's not like anyone. But their reaction is what fucked them up.
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Speaker 2: The deer in the headlights got me.
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Speaker 1: Know him doing this ready?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but she she went off in.
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Speaker 1: Like she crawled, like all the AI videos of that.
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Speaker 2: I want to know what other places that because I used to watch that show. I don't know if you ever watched it.
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Speaker 3: Cheaters back on like MTV, like on Foxtail or whatever, and they would catch their partner cheating and they would literally bombar. They go in with a full camera and catch them in the moment. So like sometimes it was in cars. So apparently this is what mim Tad told me, is that the most commonplace people cheat is in a car park.
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Speaker 2: What swear in a car park?
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Speaker 3: In a car park or like motel hotel rooms obviously, but like I just went for a drive, just went for a drive, okay, but like why are you parked?
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Speaker 1: But why is your Apple tag sitting at a motel? Have you ever okay question, have you ever talking about cheating? And like partners, right, have you ever like investigated your partner or gets or like stalked them to see if they're cheating or like no followed them.
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Speaker 3: But all the partners that I've had, I've just trusted, like I really just like there was one who cheated on me, but like he yeah, it's just like a fock story because I didn't find out until after we were broken up, and like, it's just that.
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Speaker 1: That's normally when you do find out because people feel confident to tell you, you know, but.
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Speaker 3: Fucking tell me when I'm in the relationship idiots like yeah, I'm okay. If say you're with your partner and you're like, it's getting cheated on and someone knows because like I had this scenario where in my say, like in an institution that I was a part of, right, two people, we all knew them, they were emotionally cheating and I didn't feel comfortable with it because I know both their partners, and so I would call them out constantly for it. I'd be like, you guys know what you're doing. Don't don't shoot them. Yeah Wow, I'd say, don't act dumb. We all know what you're doing. And if you can continue with this, I will tell wow. And I was like, no, it's not happening, like and they continued it, and I was friends with more of his partner, and I was like, you.
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Speaker 2: Know what I'm gonna.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm going to message her and say I would be very very cautious about his relationship.
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Speaker 2: With so and so are you Wow?
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Speaker 3: Because he made he I heard through rumors and through other friends that he was making out like I was the concern, but it was to cover up the fact that he was emotionally cheating. He made me look like I was hitting on him. And I hate him. I cannot despise this guy, wow, because and like I've embarrassed him a few times. I think that's probably why, Like in scenarios, so he doesn't like me, and I don't like him.
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Speaker 2: He rigs of privilege.
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Speaker 3: He literally got everything handed into a little silver spoon, and what has he done with his life?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely fuck?
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Speaker 3: Okay, So he's one of those people, right, and then he just thinks he can take what he can get and what's.
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Speaker 2: In front of him.
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Speaker 3: So he goes and manipulates one of our friends, starts emotionally cheating with her, even though she's in a seven year relationship.
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Speaker 1: By emotionally cheating, like.
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Speaker 3: They're they're so invested in one another's lives, so when they're together, they're like, so they're actually physically as well.
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Speaker 1: Mind you.
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Speaker 3: Like some of the stuff that I saw and like everyone saw in our institution, yes saw it and felt so uncomfortable. Imagine that whole cohort of people people watching this, and I was like, this is not okay, Like, I do you think you can if you're cheated, if you're partner cheated on you, do you think you could.
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Speaker 2: Get over it that they that they've cheated on you?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I think I don't think I can.
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Speaker 1: So I think that it comes down to like the details of the scenario. But I believe that, like there have been many scenarios in people's lives where there's been infidelity and you have been able to get past it and move on and have a great relationship. I think that there is like definitely things that are deal breakers. You know, if they cheated with a friend. Oh but if they had a mistake on a night out.
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Speaker 3: And can you separate sex being physical and just not emotionally, Like say, if they just like had a it's gonna be sounds so good, like a raw fuck. Yeah, and it was just a physical aspect, you know what. I think it's emotionally when they're emotionally invested in it's a friend, it's worse.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, if the person's in your life, Oh my god, then there's like a deal break.
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Speaker 2: That's betrayal.
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Speaker 1: It's absolutely betrayal. I wouldn't like even think of twice about it. But if it was like, for instance, if you had a partner, they were out of the night out, they came home and they said to me, hey, I didn't catch them, but they said to me, hey, I made a mistake. This is what happened tonight. I would be able to get past that because they've told me and I didn't catch them, and that shows a level of respect. So my partner did that, I would actually be able to get past it. But not if they went and did it. They've been doing it for a while. I'm catching them out, I'm following them, I'm
seeing where their location is. That there's this whole scenario they're betraying me multiple times. Absolutely not, you know, Like I think there's a difference if you find out yeah, or if they come to you with like what they've done, what about you?
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Speaker 3: If I had done anything, I would just come like I just can't. It would just eat at me at any point, like I feel like, but I have had the opposite of me.
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Speaker 2: So like when I was twenty one, I went on a Gold Coast trip with my girls.
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Speaker 3: I was in a relationship and I kiss a girl in a night club and I went straight to my partner and I fucking told her, yeah, and she chose to forgive me, and I was like, thank you because I didn't mean anything and I was just drunk with the girls and it was all fun and games until someone gets hurt. But like Sally've chose to forgive me, and like we're friends and we've moved past it, and she never looks as me, looks at me as someone who cheats, because I've never fucking done it again and never will. So it's like, I think people can do stupid things and boundaries can be procross, but I don't think I could betray my partner and just go and have another secret relationship with someone.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just could.
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Speaker 1: I just think that moment had to be because they played as if it wasn't. It was too many drinks or whatever.
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Speaker 2: That was too emotional.
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Speaker 1: It was too emotional. It was like, you can't just have that moment you built to that, you know. So it's like I really felt like that's fix relationship. If I was his wife, I'd be like, you look way too comfortable there, like you can.
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Speaker 3: Stay with her, Okay, So why is it always at work, Like cheating happens a lot at work.
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Speaker 1: Really yeah, I couldn't think of anything worse being with a colleague.
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Speaker 3: But it's the same with like a chat we had about friendships, Like there's a there's a line that you draw in your colleagues or your.
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Speaker 1: Colleagues, Yeah, how do people but like.
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Speaker 2: How do you break that that? You know, like when the when the lines get blurred, you're like, oh, they're trying to flip.
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Speaker 3: Someone started flirting with me and I was working with them, so like I had to.
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Speaker 1: Say, I don't eat where I ship. Yeah, Like I don't want to eat where I ship. Yeah, you know, it's like why would I want to walk into the work, Not that I do that often, but like because i'm you know, not with like it's not like a nine to five, but I think that in office situations, walking in after you've done something with someone or like cheating, that would be the worst.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I know a scenario where someone has had an affair, they got caught, but.
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Speaker 3: Then they ended up marrying the person that they have an affair with and they've been together now and they'll be together forever.
Oh so the first person that they married wasn't the.
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Speaker 1: Right person, and it looks like it and like it was, but why if somebody got hurt?
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Speaker 2: In someone got hurt? And that's what I think is the thing that.
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Speaker 3: Oh I just like I literally couldn't even take up someone's seat, let alone fucking you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: I betrayals hard.
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Speaker 2: Betrayal is hard, But you know what, betray.
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Speaker 1: Some idiots out there who cheat and get caught all the time.
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Speaker 3: And it's like because they leave little trails, they're I'm smart.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, okay, you're a cereal cheater. What would you do?
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Speaker 1: Okay? If I was a serial cheater, I would never go anywhere with like my devices or in my own car because you.
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Speaker 2: Know what, oh location, Yeah, because I have my instance.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the GPS in your car could show where you've been. If someone's put an Apple tag under your seat, if someone's put an Apple air tag under your it.
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Speaker 2: Gives you a notification.
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Speaker 3: Because my friend's dad put an Apple thing in her car and it beat.
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Speaker 1: There was this story that I heard of this partner right that she was supposedly having an affair with someone at work, an emotional cheating scenario, and her husband bought a new car and put a listening device in the car. He bug the car, he bug the car. Is that crossing a boundary?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely?
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Speaker 1: It's like that is like there's no privacy. It's like it's even.
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Speaker 2: I mean she's emotional psychotic. Yeah, I agree with you there.
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Speaker 1: Like like have the conversation, bro, instead of.
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Speaker 2: You've got a gut feeling. This is what it's come up.
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Speaker 3: It's like if you have a gut feeling communication and just you know, if you have that gut feeling trusted and keep asking, keep asking, keep asking, And then I feel like then you know if they're being still dishonest dishonest like sure, but like.
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Speaker 2: You know, what do you do in that end?
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Speaker 3: Like you know when they're lying to you constantly, but it is to say it is happening and they are emotionally cheating. I think emotionally cheating you can come back from in a relationship.
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Speaker 1: I just think emotionally cheating is a cop out term or you're not okay, yeah, you know emotionallyctually.
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Speaker 2: If you're not, you're not crossing physical boundaries, I think.
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Speaker 1: But you're building a relationship with someone.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I'm not validating.
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Speaker 1: At I think that like people put such emphasis on physical to be like the thing that is like the bad thing. But I think emotions are stronger than physical.
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Speaker 2: But it is a bad thing. You literally let someone inside you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, it's terrible, but that's not okay. But emotions are a stronger thing.
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Speaker 2: That will put it in your bum It's like.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what do they say if it's anal It's no, I don't know. But what I'm saying is emotions are something that will attach you to someone stronger than physicalness. Honestly, Like, if you're building an emotional connection, that's but.
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Speaker 3: Then okay, if you get caught just having an emotional connection, I think I could personally, like I could come back from it because okay, you didn't cross a full you know, It's like I would want you.
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Speaker 2: To cut that off.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it weird that I think that?
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Speaker 2: See you later.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want anyone to don't want that relationship to happen anymore. Yes, and then you can come back and you can build on your relationship again and trust can be built.
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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
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Speaker 3: I think a physical thing. The pain of that for me to think about, like hurts. Yeah, like, you've been so intimate with someone, not just on an emotional level but physically. Okay, that's that like makes my body?
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Speaker 1: Is this a weird thing that I would hate my partner to kiss someone, but if they had sex with them, I would feel less.
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Speaker 2: I think that's a male thing then maybe.
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Speaker 1: Because I feel like to generalize if like, if I like, I think kissing is so personal.
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Speaker 3: Girls are like, nah, you've fucking touched a pinky finger. You're done?
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Speaker 1: Literally, yeah, tell me something? Okay, speaking of this like cheating, I don't know if this is where the conversation will go. But are you a really closed monogamous person or are you open to your partner building or having a physical moment with someone outside of the relationship? Like, are you an open relationship Girly?
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Speaker 3: I think I'm more monogamous than I am open, because that's just my personality trade. I think, like, I don't have capacity for myself to love someone else as much as I would love one point.
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Speaker 2: But I do love a lot obviously, But.
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Speaker 3: I have been not like I've been open to it, but I have been having really good conversations with people that are open, and I can understand where because the thing with humans just as humans, as animals, we are primates whatever, we're non monogamous. A lot of animals are non monogamous, and they I feel like there's you know, as humans, we have that emotional intellect, so we desire, and then when we're in a monogamous relationship, the desires are still there, we just suppress them. I think a lot of people just have other desires and they think if you're in a trusting, good relationship, I think a lot of people can have that good foundational relationship and built on trust and etc. But they can still
have their desires and if their desires are they want to go on a date with someone else, nothing physical happens or whatever, whatever their boundaries are, depending on what they've communicated.
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Speaker 2: I think people can make people can make it work.
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Speaker 1: Date with someone else over Hey, it's okay, go and fuck someone. Like it's so funny that the physicalness is less like crossing.
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Speaker 2: A line because you just see it for like the sex part. That's right, Yeah, okay.
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Speaker 1: So like if my partner in the future wanted to open their relationship just for the physical side of things, I'm more open to that than Hey, you go and build a real connection with someone.
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Speaker 2: I asked this question from a girlfriend as well.
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Speaker 3: She was like, do you ever feel like you have the desire to ever sleep with a man again now that you're with men?
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Speaker 2: And I said, fuck, no.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I thought it would be yes. And the reason I say that is because in the past, you've enjoyed sleeping with men, so.
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Speaker 2: I still do, but they don't click it off.
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Speaker 1: Never again because I want to be with her. Yeah, totally. But at the same time.
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Speaker 2: Like do I think about cock?
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Speaker 1: No, okay, but just think you're with a woman, and just because you're in a woman relationship.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't go away. Like I said, the desire, the.
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Speaker 3: Comfortableness and there, and the past doesn't go away like it's there whatever.
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you when I spent the last time I slept with the vagina, it went away.
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Speaker 2: That's the same.
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Speaker 1: So question. Yeah, this is really getting into the nitty gritty of dynamics here, but I want to ask you this in your.
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Speaker 2: Life, I like hypotheticals. It's like, whatever makes you.
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Speaker 1: Think you're in a lesbian relationship? If Min was to go off and cheat with someone who was a man, how would you feel about that? Would you feel the same as if it was a woman.
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Speaker 2: Some part of me would say that it's a phase for me.
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Speaker 1: Oh you sound like a mom or like a dad that doesn't want the child to.
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Speaker 3: Get No, just more be like because she she's like, I'm a lesbian, I'm a lesbian and lesbian and she dreams that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's just put that out of the let's put her sex.
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Speaker 2: She's left me for a man.
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Speaker 1: Like, She's like, let's put a sex out of it. She's let's say that she's just open, you know.
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Speaker 2: Like, how would I feel about it?
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Speaker 1: Like, what is there a different feeling if she left you for a man than if she left you for a woman?
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Speaker 2: Not?
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Speaker 3: No, no, like I think because what one Like if she's leaving me in the first place, I'm like, fuck, okay, well I'm in a fox situation like and blah blah blah, Like if it's with a girl with a guy, like it doesn't really matter.
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Speaker 2: It's still she's leaving me. She's still cheating on me on this question. Okay, here you go.
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Speaker 1: If they were really hot, because me, I'm like, yeah, you know, like if your partner leaves you and then they get with someone who's just fucking hot. You're like, that.
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Speaker 3: Would be yeah, paying to the ego. I'm fucking be depressed. I'm not gonna lie. Would probably be like Adele rolling and crying in the corner. Like, but I don't think it's sexually in terms of like gender, I don't really care. Like still at the end day, I still see it as a betrayal and blah blah blah, and I wouldn't be okay with it. But I think, you know, in terms of desires, like I don't think she has any desire to sleep with any man, and I don't think she has expressed it she has any sleep desire to sleep with another woman, Like.
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Speaker 1: No, I don't know. This is just a hypothetical, but I think it just went from you know, like the whole cheating thing to then relate shep dynamically crossing a line. You know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, hypotheticals all the time, And Mim hates it because she's like, I don't want.
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Speaker 2: To think about that. That's so stucid, because.
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Speaker 3: She gets so emotionally invested and I'm thinking, yeah, but you generally have like a knee jerk reaction, and God forbid, we just hope that it doesn't fucking happen, and like it's all just hypotheticals and like it doesn't get to that. But like, I think I could also be like you in some way where I could separate it to it being like a physical thing to emotion, like as in, like I feel like I've had girlfriends that have slept with men, so MIM's like a lesbian. I've slept with bisexual girls and then got into relationships with them, and they've said to me, like I love you and I want to be with you, but there is some part of me that just like wants to go get railed by a guy, okay, And I'm like, well, I can't do that for you. I'm so sorry. Could well I A learned.
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Speaker 2: I was like, I gotta I got to improv right now.
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Speaker 3: Like I was like, I can't rail you, but I can do my absolute best. And I just hope that Mim is a satisfied customer.
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Speaker 1: Customer dead all my life. I can't believe.
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Speaker 2: She's absolutely she is, Okay, I would hope she is.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I think she's she's fine. You know, I think it's.
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Speaker 2: Very for one deals.
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