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Speaker 1: What's up, friends, and welcome into the Extra Point Podcast. We are back. We are back right here on Fantasy Pros. I'm Chris Welsh. That is Andrew Erickson. We weren't around last week. Not that it mattered to anybody else, but the week before, we also were a little bit earlier. We are back in our home, in our time slot, live on the Fantasy Pros Discord, 2 p.m. Eastern on Thursdays. That's where we live. We took some side quests, but we have returned back to it. With a live audience of amazing people that are going to dictate the show because this is a podcast for the people, by the people, of the people, with the people. You guys are going to dictate what we do. That's what happens here. Answer fantasy questions that have nothing to do with Thursday Night Football. Andrew Erickson. What's up, buddy?
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Speaker 2: What's up, Welsh? Good to see you back in the flesh through Discord. I do like how you... phrased it as going on different side quests because every time I log into Discord, it's always suggesting me to go on these side quests, conquest, so I can collect jewels or whatever the compensation currency is on Discord. So I thought that was a very... It's something like that. You unlock certain things. If you do these certain quests, watch videos, that's Discord for you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a smart... right now marketing tool of everything. If you build side quests, like I do kind of want to accomplish them. I get kind of phased out when I start to learn that the side quests don't like mean anything, but I'm into side quests. We had some side quests. We was, we had the, what was it? The s'mores mixer the other week where Erickson, it would have been great if you had done the mixer and then done the podcast. That would have been really fun. And then we had to be out last week because I was, I was doing a side quest and a live podcast. So, Those are the quests, but we always return home. It's just like a stray cat. We're out for a week or something. We just come back home with our people and we're excited to talk with our people. That's what it is. So yeah, that's the structure. If you guys want to make sure you guys can be a part of this action, there are more quests that you can do with some of our great hosts. We've got other AMAs that become podcasts, Worm and Fitz, 5 p.m. Eastern on the first Tuesday of every month. Boggs and Fitz, 5 p.m. Eastern on the third Tuesday of every month, which I believe would be like next week, if I have that correctly. So you can get Boggs and Fitz doing a live show, which you can be a part of. And then Erickson and I, every 2 p.m. Eastern on Thursday, we're here. Loving to hang out with you guys. You go to fantasypros.com slash chat if you want to join the Discord. Join the conversation. Amazing community. We've got lots of stuff to be in there. And you can come be a part of this podcast as well.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 1: We set the stage, kind of.
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We got through the stuff. Let's talk to our people. What do you got? Week 10 in action. Big bye weeks. Making some questions. Little dicey things. Game schedule. Little dicey. And you guys have to make... This is it. This is your last run. If you're going to be getting the playoffs, you got to make this week count. I completely agree with what was in... This is the thing that I haven't been able to get. T-Rob's in the chat just said, how is it already week 10? I literally can't even comprehend that we are talking about week 10. How are we doing?
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Speaker 2: That's pretty insane. That Thanksgiving is from the time we're recording exactly two weeks away. And then it's a full court press towards the fantasy post season. And look, The NFL has made it really challenging on fantasy managers. Now changing everything to games being played on Christmas, but that's also the fantasy football championship. So it's so hard to be as dialed in as you can with fantasy when you have so many other things pulling you in different directions. But that's why this is a team effort, right? It's us. It's you. Together, we're going to persevere and get you over the hump to get that fantasy championship.
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Speaker 1: Friends, you are not alone. We are here for you. Let us be your guides. Hitchhiker's Guide to Winning Your Fantasy League. That's what we're here for. We will help get you as long as you don't deal with a week 13 buy, which is the stupidest thing the NFL has done for us. Having a week 13 buy.
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Speaker 4: Awful.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk to our friends.
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Speaker 4: Jinzer.
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Speaker 1: Jinzer, what do you hate more? Christmas Day games or a week 13 buy?
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Speaker 5: I hate the week 13 buy more. Christmas Day games. I don't know. Something cozy about that night game.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. I mean, you know, had plenty of your family you can watch.
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Speaker 2: Some football at that point and you know i'm locking in.
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Speaker 1: Yeah lock in it's week 13 guys uh what's up ginger what do you got i'm gonna.
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Speaker 5: Set the stage for most of the questions today i have puka on my team we are towards the top of the league but it would probably be chancing it without him if i make the playoffs what and i already have zay flowers i feel like it's probably a popular cell puka for zay since he's down Is there– and it could be running back or wide receiver, but who would you be targeting if you're trying to get off Puka? It's a 14-team full PPR.
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Speaker 1: Full PPR.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: And what did you say your flexes were? Did you have flex? One, two?
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Speaker 5: Just one flex, and he would be in that flex. My wide receivers are Zay and Christian Watson. My running backs are Jen T and Coram.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: I definitely know. Great question, Shinzer. We– We're tackling this at nauseam, I believe, during the trade live stream we did on Fantasy Pros earlier. It was actually yesterday. It feels like a week ago. It was just yesterday. And I know this was like a heavy part of the conversation with a lot of people and you speculating on a lot of different sides of what do we do with Puka. So you're a team that you're trying to make your run. You're not in a– I think the answer has been if you are in the special situation where you can afford it, it's kind of nice to maybe sit on Puka and hope he comes back, but I don't hold out great hope. So what would you move? What is the line positionally? Doesn't matter. What are you comfortable moving Puka.
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Speaker 2: To get acquiring Puka? That, that is the question. So you are going to make your playoffs. So he's not going to make the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: No, he was trading. He has Puka. Did I, did I misunderstand?
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Speaker 5: No.
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Speaker 2: Well, I, I couldn't quite, I couldn't quite grasp if they were going to be a lock to make the playoffs. It seemed like, Oh, I have a good record. I think I'm going to make the playoffs, not, oh, I'm totally locked and loaded. Like, Chinzer, can you put your record into the chat and please clarify just how.
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Speaker 1: He's in playoffs third, but it's not locked in. So he's just like in like a solid, good position. Doesn't sound like he's comfortable with the Puka. So that was what I garnered. He wanted to move off of Puka to bolster his stuff because he's not a lock that he could potentially also miss the playoffs. Like that's a problem. It's 14 team league.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Which is going to make the acquisition a lot tougher, too, in a 14 team.
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Speaker 2: If you want to get off the Puka ride, someone you could get for him, if you want more immediate production, Ollie Gordon. That'll work.
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Speaker 1: I love that.
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Speaker 2: You can get Ollie Gordon. I mean, it's a realistic trade. Do you think it's going to work?
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Speaker 1: Like, it's a fair ask?
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Speaker 2: Who could? I mean, look, with these injured players, the range is going to be vast because you have to also, you can only trade Puka to a team that's going to make the playoffs. So you're already kind of fractioning the player pool in which you can even trade him too. So a better idea might not be a player, it might be, okay, go to the number one and number two seed, look at their rosters, who has the worst wide receiver room, and you just ask for the best running back, best tight end, best whatever. So that's why Puka is a very, like, Particular situation that can really vary lead by leading honestly manager by manager because I don't think anybody knows exactly. Oh, well, he's going to do this rest of the season. He could literally never come back or he could come back and be the highest scoring player in fantasy.
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Speaker 1: That's what makes it the most tricky part
is that like I think a lot of any acquirer. is going to push back and be like, I might not get him back. So I just don't think, I don't think all he's on the table. If I'm being honest with you, if he is great, I mean, Ollie and the flex rankings is 26 over. So can I throw some names at you? I want to, I want to see if I can find a line like, yes, you would move your Puka to get this player. So I'm going to move down a little bit. Woody marks 38 and flex rankings. So are I've already gotten a note.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: This might not get any better than Jameson Williams. I thought he was thinking, but Erickson's frozen. I might have let the tension cut like 10 more minutes if he was really thinking about that. So Erickson's frozen there. Maybe that's a sign. It's hilarious. All right, we'll wait for Erickson. I guess my point was like, I think in a perfect world, you want everybody. Everybody's killing Erickson right now. The deepest in thought. Someone screenshot that. Someone screenshot Erickson deep in thought. Oh my God, that's funny. I think you want an Ollie Gordon. I don't think you're getting an Ollie Gordon. So I think you've got to move back down. Woody Marks is ranked 38th in like an overall positional flex ranking. Jameson Williams is 40. I think those are bigger ass. I think you have to be resigned. I can be honest with you to like, even like a Denzel Boston. Like, I think that's underselling what you would want, but like a Denzel Boston trying to look if there's anybody sneaky. I'm comfortable because then at the point it's like, is it really worth trading him for, for Omar Cooper? Like, no, that's not going to be worth anything trading for Omar Cooper. So you live in this space where it's got to be between like, probably like the 50 and the 90 range or whatever. So that would be like the general space. Erickson said his computer just shut down. So hopefully he'll be back.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: So you guys are going to hang with me for a second. We can chat. But yeah, I would say, I mean, maybe Pickens is an interesting one, especially if he is inactive this week, but it is kind of like important to who you, who the number one and number two end up having. But that would be the general range. I would take a look at the Jameson Williams. maybe the Jentees, the Garrett Wilsons, but you might have to resign. Oh, you know what? I bet. Dang it. Someone put a pin in this. Someone's going to play mod slash producer for this show. And Chinzer, if you want to do it, put a pin when Erickson returns from the Gulag. Remind me to say Carnell Tate. Because I know he's a buyer of Carnell Tate right now, wide receiver 23, but I don't know if that would be it. So that would be an interesting one. Pepper, go with whichever one of your questions you want to hit.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, go ahead. So yeah, looping back to it. So 12-man PPR, 3-6, facing the bottom three teams up next, so I'm not out. My team is in the chat. My biggest worry, I guess, is... What are your guys' thoughts on having both Gibbs and St.
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Speaker 2: Brown?
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Speaker 6: Obviously, both are studs, but I'm just worried about putting most of my eggs into the Lions there. Would you trade one of them to try to get some more depth? Because behind them, it's not looking too great besides Kyron.
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Speaker 1: I don't think the general sense of like, oh, I just have these two amazing players that are on the same team is that bad. I will say your wide receivers are rough. I could definitely entertain... you know, maybe is this a team you said that's, this isn't the three and six team, right?
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Speaker 2: Nope.
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Speaker 6: This is the three and six.
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Speaker 1: Okay. So even more so. So Erickson, this is a three and six team. Would you take a monitor St. Brown and just say, screw it. I'm going to trade him for two more usable wide receiver pieces. Cause his what number two right now is like Antonio Williams and AJ Brown is out or lad or something. If he could move Brown and get, you know, like a, I mean, if you have the names, you could do it like a Jameson Williams and a Jordan Tyson, you know, something like that. Like, would you entertain something like that?
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Speaker 2: Erickson? Maybe like a Parker Washington plus more. So for a Monroe.
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Speaker 1: You got to get a good receiver. If you're doing this move, like a second receiver in the move.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Washington and Tyson could work. Okay. I don't think Jameson and Yeah, that's why.
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Speaker 1: I probably undersold it. Like Denzel Boston and Parker Washington for Amonra.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I like that. I think that's a Browns receiver in Parker Washington. Because I would agree that if you're 3-6, yeah, you got the Lions this week, but then they also have a bye week next week, and then they're not going to help you. So you could potentially be looking at 4-7. I mean, if you don't have Gibbs or St.
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Speaker 1: Brown, then.
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Speaker 2: Actually, no, didn't the Lions already have their bye week? Am I missing the remembering? Yeah, they're in the bye week. Okay, sorry then. So, oh, then, I mean, I don't know. Like, I don't really feel like I need to. Wait, why do you want to trade away your line?
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Speaker 1: But he's 3-6. He's 3-6, and he doesn't have good depth. I mean, he was, like, A, concerned, should I care that all my eggs are in the Detroit Lions basket? But I think the bigger question, it's not about that. It's that he's 3-6. He has really poor wide receiver depth, and the teams are all kind of crappy that are coming up. So this is a chance to make a move, and the best move opportunity seems like if he could kind of bolster things up.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So, yeah, I think the receiver play is the right approach.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, entertain that. All
right, so then, Pepper, what was the question number two?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, cool.
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Speaker 6: So with that, I hate giving you guys if questions, but if Montgomery plays Sunday, how do you handle having, you know, Mark Sandimont? Do you still play Marks? Do you, I mean, obviously you see my team. This is the same team, so the other options are like ladder 2-2 for Flex.
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Speaker 1: You were shaking your head, Erickson. You don't play Marks, or you just don't care that, because I kind of don't care that Montgomery.
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Speaker 2: Is active, but. He did it again.
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Speaker 1: Oh, no. He did it. Pepper called it.
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Speaker 3: Oh, no.
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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, everybody. He's deep in thought. I was about to do an Erickson impression, but I can't actually do an Erickson impression, so I don't know how that would work. All right, so I'll answer that while poor Erickson gets his stuff figured out. If his computer restarted again, then these are his Ls he's taken this week. Back to– what was the– I completely– Like, just zonk.
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Speaker 6: On what the question was. It's how do you handle with marks? I know you said you don't care.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Montgomery's just been, like, he's just been a nothing. Week one was it. It's been absolutely nothing. I think, okay, you could look at it like Braylon Allen, Brees Hall type of situation in the use. So what was it? It was like Braylon Allen still had significant more snaps, but the snaps that Brees Hall was out there, he was getting a lot of touches. that could be something similar in that, you know, when Montgomery's out there, they're going to use him. But I still think Woody Marks is going to be the lead guy. So I would lean to, let me look at who your guys were like Mark. Yeah, I just, I don't think anybody else is a good option. I think you, well, you got Gibbs and Kyron. It would Marks be, it would be like Marks versus like a wide receiver.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Marks is in my flex right now. So, I mean, my only other options would be Ladd if he plays, which I'm not happy about. And then Tutu, which who knows what's going on with Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I'm super indifferent about Ladd. I mean, Ladd might be a decent play. If they come out and there's just like all these beautiful signs around Dave Montgomery, like maybe you could flip and kind of play like a YOLO, a little bit of YOLO to Ladd McConkie because he did get usage when he was active out there before, but I just still think there's questions of Monday Night Football. So I probably lean to going Woody Marks and just not worrying about Dave Montgomery because Montgomery has really not been much of anything. Dang it, I didn't even get my question to Erickson. All right, so strike two, or second down incomplete. Let's see, we're on a third and long, Erickson. What happened this time?
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Speaker 2: I have no idea what's going on. I literally have no idea why my computer is just like malfunctioning and short-circuiting.
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Speaker 1: Johnny Five alive.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what the issue is.
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Speaker 1: Do you know who Johnny Five is?
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Speaker 2: I know who Johnny Bravo is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course you do. Johnny Five is probably, I'll give you credit, is probably the most obscure. In all the do you knows that I throw at you, that would probably be the one no one's going to hold anything against you on. You know what I'm saying? There's some of the other ones that are rougher. Johnny Five was this obscure 80s movie called Short Circuit with Steve Guttenberg. And I watched it probably a hundred times. I was obsessed with it. And it was just like, You know, these 80s robots at this company and this one, like, is a sentient robot. And he's like, Johnny, five, alive. Yeah, it was a banger. It was absolute, like, awesome. It was an awesome movie. But you just made me think of that in the robots that are trying to take you out. Maybe it's the Vikings fans from all the smack we were talking about the compensation for Kirk Cousins on Tailgate.
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Speaker 2: Oh, no.
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Speaker 1: Johnny five, not alive. Erickson. Oh my God.
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Speaker 2: This is great.
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Speaker 1: That's good. This is, I'm having fun. All right, let's go talk to Nick while Erickson is going to have a fourth and long Nick. What up dude?
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Speaker 8: Gosh, crazy stuff here. Um, question for you. I'm going to send my team in.
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Speaker 5: Okay.
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Speaker 8: I'm just kind of curious where you think I should go with the two receivers and flex this week with Burden on bye. And then I guess the other question is if for some reason Ramondre miraculously plays and this isn't gamesmanship, I assume Kiner is no longer a good play. Would you then look to pivot to waiver wire guys like Bam Knight or Chris Rodriguez or someone?
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Speaker 1: Oh, man. So I don't think... That Romandri is going to play. So I think there's the plus. If I did, I would definitely take off Kiner and I would go to like Bam Knight. I don't feel awesome about that. That would definitely be my pivot to it. Let's get back to your positional stuff. I just went away from it to see if Erickson had raised his hand. I do have one play I'm kind of interested in doing. So you said wide receiver and flex. He's got Concepcion, Addison, and Bernard. What's your team record? I am five and four. Do you feel like you got to play a little YOLO-y?
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Speaker 8: I'm not opposed to it. I mean, I'm an underdog this week, but I definitely don't have like the most points scored by any means.
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty low in that regard. So I'm staring at, I actually think both plays off the bench are doable. The same thing we said about McConkie before, I think you could roll an Addison, but I'll throw this out. He's projected less points. I think it's a Jordan Tyson week. I talked about
this on the tailgate show this week. I know some people are feeling kind of generally the same. You know, he was getting like red zone options. They tried to first touchdown him. Routes run, you know, it was relatively low. It was like 35%, but I think that can jump up to 50 or more. And what I think is interesting is he was running full 50% from wide to slot. So they were moving him around. I just think like if you want to play high upside, there is a chance that Tyson could go off. The only other thing about Addison, I mean, Cousins might make him live. So I don't want to talk you off of it if you feel confident about it. But it's also a low total. It's like 42. It's a low team total overall that I think if I wanted to play just like a little bit of crazy high upside, I might consider going Tyson over him. But I'm not really sure there's any other moves I'd be making there.
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Speaker 8: So Ladd wouldn't be like too much of a consideration until we see it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he was just the Monday night. football stuff. If I got some better positive words about Ladd, I would go Ladd over Addison. I think this team is going to lose. I think they're going to be 0-9 after this week going to against Baltimore. But the week prior, you were seeing him get more involved in the offense. They went back to the original pieces of their offense where it was Ladd and McConkie or Ladd and Quinton Johnston that if they go back to that space, Ladd looks like he could be like Five, six, seven receptions, but I just don't feel confident about him playing. So again, like I think maybe your floor ceiling play is a lad because like, you know, if he plays, you know what the floor looks like, but he could go ballistic. Addison to me is kind of a wild card and Tyson is just a pure upside play. And I, I kind of feel like I want to throw Tyson out there, but you know, don't screw with the apple cart if you're worried about it. But if you're projected to lose, you need to get a W. I think both of those other guys are better options than Addison right now.
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Speaker 8: How about ahead of Bernard?
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Speaker 1: I don't want to, I kind of don't want to do that just because I think that's going to be like a, I think it's gonna be a big passing matchup just going back and forth. Like you could, you could, they're all the same bucket. Maybe that's a better way to put it, dude. It's like, You might have this bucket of the Bernards, the Lads, the Tysons, and Jordan Addison, and it's just different varying degrees. Let's look at the ECR to see where it is. The highest of those is Bernard at 28 versus Cincy, so that's a wide receiver three. Tyson is actually 33. I didn't even realize that. Tyson is 33. He has jumped Addison, because I submitted my ranks this morning, and Ladd is the lowest of all of them, but Ladd has moved seven spots in the last two days. So Ladd is the only one that is not like a wide receiver three. All the rest are, if that does anything. Okay.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, no, that's super helpful. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Hey, what's up?
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Speaker 7: How you doing?
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Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty good. You want to talk to me?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's all good.
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Speaker 7: I just have two really quick start-sit questions.
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Speaker 4: Sure.
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Speaker 7: So in one league, I also have Luther Burton on by, so the options aren't great, but I'm between Khalil Shakir and Ryan Flournoy.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I hate to retread this from last week, but if there is no pickings, it's just so clearly Flournoy for me. I'm going to throw you a third. It's still Flannoy for me because highest total of this week is 49ers Cowboys game. 55 and a half is your total. Niners secondary. I know Erickson would have repeated. We just talked about this game. So I know I can like kind of speak for him a little bit in that it's not just about the Niners scoring on every drive. The Cowboys have to score on every drive. And the Niners secondary is banged up. Lenore's banged up. Ronaldo Green is banged up. If Upton Stout is put in, he just gets burned left and right. And Upton Stout is traditionally the slot receiver. So if he's taken out of that, what I'm getting at is Flanoy, even with pick-ins and three wide receiver sets, might still eat. So I actually think I like Flanoy over Shakir regardless. But let's take a look at what the ranks look like. Shakir is at the top right now. He's ranked 42. And where the hell is Flanoy on this? Flanoy is.
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Speaker 1: Oh, he's 32. I didn't even realize that. So
Flanoy is actually currently ranked over Shakir by 10 full spots as a wide receiver three. So that's without any confirmation of George Pickens. So that's where I sit on that one.
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Speaker 7: OK, yeah, I was thinking the same thing there. And also in another league, I'm deciding I need to start two out of these three. It's Skadabo, Tyler Algier and Jalen Coker. And I'm also I've Loveland on by in that league. So I'm starting Darren Waller. If that like impacts your decision on if you'd want to also start Coker.
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Speaker 1: No, I'm going to still go. And it's good questions.
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Speaker 2: Awesome.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Algier, I got a kick to the side because if Bam is active, which it looks like that definitely could be in the space. it's just a bad spot. It's a bad matchup in general, pretty inefficient. Like Coker hasn't been wildly as trustworthy, but he is just, I kind of actually think the Panthers are going to bounce back and this one and Coker's in a good spot and a scataboo, you know, as long as healthy and active, you literally can't be much worse than what Devin Singletary was. I think I did on rank show. If you guys, I don't even know what's out actually, but I did the whole like all time history of inefficiency and, Surprisingly, Devin Singletary's was not like the top six most inefficient in the last 26 years, but it's up there. It was pretty close. So I think I feel a lot more comfortable about Scataboo. So that's where I'm going with that.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: I did get a smoke signal from Erickson, but Johnny5 is not alive yet. So we'll see if we get him back. All right, Ronan, premium member, Fantasy Pros Discord. What up, dude?
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Speaker 2: Hey, how we doing?
00:25:53
Speaker 1: We're doing all right. It's just me. It was me hanging, dude. So I'm doing all right. What's going on?
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Speaker 10: Oh, you're enough, Welsh.
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Speaker 2: It's okay.
00:26:00
Speaker 6: Aww.
00:26:00
Speaker 1: Give that man a credit or something.
00:26:02
Speaker 2: All right.
00:26:03
Speaker 1: What you got, dude?
00:26:04
Speaker 10: Really just more looking into the future. I put my team in the chat. Second place currently. The first place guy just lost to Puka.
00:26:13
Speaker 1: Love to see it.
00:26:14
Speaker 2: Really just.
00:26:15
Speaker 10: Really just kind of your idea of kind of what to do with some of the folks I've got, like Swift and Coleman, folks that haven't been or could be potentially scoring less points here. What's your sort of outlook on guys like that? Do you hold them?
00:26:32
Speaker 2: Do you consider trading them?
00:26:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of things. So this is just a standard. This is not like a keeper league or anything, right?
00:26:40
Speaker 2: No, 12 team. Okay.
00:26:41
Speaker 1: And are you guys doing median matchups too? Because you say you're 13 and 5.
00:26:46
Speaker 5: Yes.
00:26:47
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:26:47
Speaker 1: So you're doing versus and then you're doing versus the median scoring.
00:26:51
Speaker 2: Equity, yeah.
00:26:52
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:26:52
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:26:53
Speaker 1: So I think that when you do the median scoring thing, I think that is important because to me that can become about trading off high end for depth versus– This is a banger team. So this is what he's got. He's got Caleb Williams and Chuck at quarterback. Bijan, Swift, Coleman, Mason, and Kiner at running back. But here's the wideouts. Amonra, Watson, Olave, DJ Moore, Waddle, and you got Smith just hanging out there. Two running back, three wide receiver, and a flex. So he's got Watson, Brown, and Olave locked every week. Swift and Coleman locked every week. I'm sorry, Swift and Bijan locked. And then the flexes are DJ Moore and Coleman. brother, I think you're, I think you're rocking. So like if you were now, I think for you to make a move, I know Erickson has talked about Watson as being someone, maybe you're comfortable, you know, putting in some type of a trade. I just look at this team though. And I think you're going to score banger points as we, can I ask you how many weeks? Cause I bet it's almost none. Have you not scored above median scoring?
00:28:01
Speaker 10: I think it's once.
00:28:03
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:28:03
Speaker 1: Only once.
00:28:03
Speaker 2: Right.
00:28:04
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:28:07
Speaker 2: Yeah. Once or twice. Yeah.
00:28:07
Speaker 1: Cause you're like, this is a banger too. Like you're, you're putting up big points every single week. I really don't like to break this up. I guess I can, like, if I'm the one thing I keep staring at is like, maybe you could pull a blockbuster off of like a Swift and a Watson to get this really big upgraded running back. And then it's Bijan, that guy. And then, you know, you've gone down to St. Brown and Olave, but DJ Moore could play a three. And then if Devonta Smith comes back or Waddle comes back, you've now put Coleman and Waddle or Smith into your flex. That's something if you can get a major upgrade at running back. But that's looking at like, you know, you'd have to get like a CMC or James Cook. That would actually be like the number one guy I'd be targeting. Like, do you think that's even possible in a league like yours?
00:28:56
Speaker 2: For Cook, maybe.
00:28:58
Speaker 10: I think the guy in there is like in fourth or fifth place.
00:29:02
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:29:03
Speaker 1: So, I mean, that would be something I would consider. I don't want to over like press things because I think you're in a really good spot. And I think your team, as you kind of mentioned, you're just going to score all the points every single week.
00:29:15
Speaker 10: So, yeah, I mean, I'm second place in the league in scoring and it's only by 20 points off and it's a pretty big deficit between first and second.
00:29:23
Speaker 2: So, yeah. Yeah.
00:29:24
Speaker 1: I think you got this running. I think you're in a
good spot. I don't think I'm trying to pray. Thank you for the question and the nice compliment. I don't think I'm going to try to, you know, make fetch a thing. I guess I've said that like multiple times on shows, but you know what I'm saying? I'm not trying to chase anything. Speaking of chasing. Andrew Erickson, are you here?
00:29:43
Speaker 2: Yes, I am here.
00:29:45
Speaker 1: All right.
00:29:46
Speaker 2: Hopefully a longterm.
00:29:49
Speaker 1: Are you alive? What, what's happened to you?
00:29:52
Speaker 2: Dude, my computer just kept literally just like crashing. It was just a crash. Like you asked me your question. All I was like, you, you said something and it's like, so Eric, so what do you think? And then it's just error. And then it just crapped out again. So we shouldn't have any more errors. I just switched computers. So we should be good to go here.
00:30:13
Speaker 1: Battle of the old computer versus the new, which one killed you? The new one.
00:30:18
Speaker 2: The old one was like, cause I, it's something cause discord is also, again, anyone that uses discord knows it's like really hard to like log in and log out of certain devices. Cause it's like very, And to its credit, like you want to make sure that the security is top notch, which is good, but it also requires like, you got to do this authenticated and you have to have these backup codes and you have to enter three different passwords. So I hadn't entered discord into the newer computer because the other one was fine. And then obviously, well, that was not going to be sustainable. So, um, we should be good here. But no, I, I'm, I was frantically just trying to get back in. Cause I'm like, I'm missing all these questions. I'm missing the extra points. It's like the favorite, my favorite show. that I do and I'm like feverish. I mean, I guess I'm in like the positive. I was like, well, if Welsh was ever going to miss or not need me on a show, it'd be one where he acts, gets to talk to other people.
00:31:09
Speaker 1: Yeah. I can, I can definitely not shut the hell up. So this is definitely the show.
00:31:13
Speaker 2: The show, the show technically could go on without me.
00:31:16
Speaker 1: The shows I could manage are like live streams in this, but like, you know, the rank show wouldn't work, whatever. So get your camera back on. So I have a question. This is one that I came up with off the very first question of the show before I forgot. This is back to Chinzer's Puka question. You said you're not trading Puka to get Woody Marks. I said I think the Ollie Gordon cost is just too much overall, and I think you're going to have to live in like a 30 to 50 overall world. But I found a player right outside the top 50 because I think in a 14-team League 2, people are going to be pains in the butt about all of it. Would you, because I think this is your guy. This is a guy that you want to buy. Would you trade your Puka in that situation for a Carnell Tate?
00:32:03
Speaker 2: Where I am.
00:32:04
Speaker 1: Your 14-team league. This guy would be playing a flex. Chinzer's worried that Puka's not coming back. Let's say no one's biting on your Ollie Gordon flex. There's a small pool. Maybe you could sneak a DJ more in there, like maybe a coker if you really wanted. But people don't want to give up their Jameson. They don't want to give up their Nico Collins. They don't want to give anything like that up. Would you trade Puka for Carnell Tate?
00:32:36
Speaker 2: Not frozen.
00:32:37
Speaker 5: I know, I know.
00:32:37
Speaker 1: I was just giving you Jeopardy music so you had time to think.
00:32:41
Speaker 2: So.
00:32:44
Speaker 2: I would say, well, the issue is Colonel Tate is also injured. So, if I knew he was actually healthy, then I might feel different.
00:32:55
Speaker 1: Okay, let's say he ends up, I mean, I guess we need to have the Friday update.
00:32:58
Speaker 2: On the practice report. I mean, he's healthier than Pokedeku is. We know that, so... I guess even if he doesn't play this week, obviously Puka's not going to play. So, yeah, no, like, if you don't want Puka rest of season and you need contributions right now, and, I mean, I think Tate can still deliver some worthwhile performances, then, yeah, I mean, I have Tate ahead of Puka in my rest season rankings. It's because Tate, Mike Evans, Puka for me in that conglomerate. Although, like, Mike Evans, I don't know when he's coming back. I heard, like, now it's, like, week 14, right? He could come back now. It's weird because now Kyle Shanahan has like now gone to the side of where it looked like he was anticipated to come back this week. Now, not this week. And now he's week to week. Well, which is like.
00:33:43
Speaker 1: Any injury news. Like, don't listen to coach index has got to be a four for him. Like he's off. Would you do Denzel Boston? Last one on that. Would you trade Puka to get Denzel Boston? Who's ranked lower than Tate? Um, In the flex rankings for week 10?
00:33:56
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah.
00:33:57
Speaker 2: I mean, if I need wins now, Boston has a really good schedule rest season. I think that's a fair deal to make.
00:34:02
Speaker 1: It's in the range.
00:34:08
Speaker 2: So how many questions did I miss? I feel so bad.
00:34:11
Speaker 1: That's okay. I asked them. I was like, I offered that people could be holdovers to wait for you to come back because a little of me, but we had a couple of wonderful people that they wanted to speak to me.
00:34:22
Speaker 4: It's okay.
00:34:23
Speaker 1: Let's jump in. We got more questions. You've got Erickson locked in for all intents and purposes, but you do know if Erickson gets like, if he looks locked in, he's frozen. So just be careful. We'll try not to freeze him out. Before we go any further, though, I want to remind you guys to check out the Fantasy Pros app. You can manage all your fantasy teams. All these fantasy teams you guys are talking to us about doesn't have to be at
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00:35:15
Speaker 2: Hey, guys.
00:35:16
Speaker 4: So I had a question for a smaller PPR league.
00:35:20
Speaker 5: I'm looking at a flex spot and trying to decide between Brees Hall and Zay Flowers.
00:35:25
Speaker 1: The expert consensus leaned pretty heavily in favor of.
00:35:28
Speaker 4: Flowers, but I saw Andrew was in the minority with Hall ranked higher.
00:35:32
Speaker 1: I was curious if you could maybe just talk about your reasoning behind that.
00:35:35
Speaker 2: And then I was curious, Welsh, if you agree or disagree. Perfect.
00:35:39
Speaker 1: Great question. Well said.
00:35:40
Speaker 2: Full PPR? No, I took them off.
00:35:44
Speaker 1: Let's assume half until Manly comments in the chat otherwise. But yeah, I know you were definitely full. Oh, no, I said full. Okay, so full PPR. You were definitely talking up Brees. I know you were really high on Brees when we did the RV Rank Show, but you're a pretty big flowers stand. We had that kind of like disagreement of you had flowers, I think, at 12, but then you didn't have Brissette very high, so you had to find a spot. So do you stand on that? And why do you have Brees higher? And then I'll kind.
00:36:11
Speaker 2: Of speak up. I think that you're really kind of splitting hair. I mean, I have them ranked back-to-back, so kind of splitting hairs. I honestly had not thought that much about it, just running back-receiver matchup. So, I don't know. I mean, do you think that Zay Flowers is head and shoulders ahead of Brees Hall? I mean, I think it's a coin flip.
00:36:33
Speaker 1: I don't think head and shoulders above, but I expressed on the RB episode, like, I'm just not sold that, and then maybe this was the first game back and I'm totally underselling this and I'm going to look stupid and they're just going to like unleash the Brees as these weeks go on and Braylon's going to go away. But Braylon had more snaps. I thought Braylon looked amazing. I just don't see a spot where you want to take him out. But if that team is playing from behind and he's got to catch the ball out of the backfield, like Brees is still like a dude, but Jacoby Bursette he does one thing and he tunnel visions wide receivers. And if there's a player on that offense that you're going to tunnel vision, it's going to be Zay Flowers. So I think it's a great matchup. I think Brissette is going to probably throw the ball still 35 times. And I wouldn't be surprised if close to half of those go to Zay Flowers. So I'm Zay Flowers on this one, but I get the brief stuff. I just think there's still questions about briefs and the split versus Braylon Allen. That's me.
00:37:27
Speaker 11: Yeah.
00:37:28
Speaker 2: I don't really have, those concerns as much, especially because it was his first game back and he out-touched Braylon Allen. And I would, I mean, is he going to get out-snapped by Braylon Allen again? Like, I would figure that it would just shift back in favor of Brees after another week back under inaction.
00:37:44
Speaker 1: If it was the same amount of touches for Brees, do you feel the same? If you were, if you only got, like, it doesn't matter the snaps, he just gets the same amount of touches as last week. Is it still him over Flowers?
00:37:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm taking Brees all with 18 touches. over zay so yeah i mean look i i get i don't i don't feel bad if you want to go with the other guy like both guys i don't know is there someone else you can bench like is it really only between those two players because those are two really strong.
00:38:10
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's like a shorter like league.
00:38:14
Speaker 2: Try me i really like zay and i really like brie so there may be someone that you have in there that maybe i don't like as much so.
00:38:21
Speaker 1: All right man you can drop that in the comments flatter me once flatter me all right let's go to the next one though it's later dude premium member on the discord what up dude.
00:38:31
Speaker 5: Hey, guys.
00:38:31
Speaker 4: How's it going?
00:38:34
Speaker 11: I got a league mate who has Caleb Williams and Trevor Lawrence, and my quarterback is Matthew Stafford. So I could oppose my team, but I was wondering if I have a trade to be made to be able to acquire one of those quarterbacks.
00:38:48
Speaker 2: That's part of the season.
00:38:50
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. The question is, which quarterback would you target if you have a trade?
00:38:54
Speaker 11: No, I'll take either of them. I have Stafford, so I'll take either Caleb or Trevor. I just wanted to know if do I have any other pieces on my team that I could send along with Stafford? If he wants to be too, to be able to make that happen.
00:39:05
Speaker 2: Gotcha.
00:39:06
Speaker 1: This is a single quarterback league.
00:39:08
Speaker 2: It's a single quarterback league.
00:39:10
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:39:10
Speaker 2: He has both.
00:39:11
Speaker 11: I just, I picked them. Um, I have Stafford and he has a buy next week. So I picked up, uh, picked up a second, but he can use a running back or wide receiver. So I just wanted to know if I have the pieces to make a trade.
00:39:22
Speaker 3: Okay, perfect.
00:39:23
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:39:23
Speaker 1: We got, we just had to get all the, we had to get all the pieces together here. He has on his starters, he's got Pollard and Chase Brown. It's not the best running backs. His wide receivers are
rough. By the way, he's got Antonio Williams, Jacoby Myers, and Shakir. JSN. He has, he put them at flex on the bench. It's Samson, Egg, Buka, Lemon, Hampton, Bryant. Just give you guys kind of a vibe for this team. You gotta be honest with you. There's not a lot of depth that's going on here, but at the, in the same breath, Erickson, I feel like it shouldn't be too crazy to get one of those guys. What do you think it takes to get, who do you say, Caleb and Trevor? So probably Caleb he goes after? Can he get it for any bench piece? Is he going to have to get it? Because I feel like the guy's going to be like, yeah, give me Chase Brown, and this dude can't afford it.
00:40:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like that is going to be exactly what that manager does. It's like, give me Chase Brown. I'm just looking to see what else you could give him where he would actually be interested. I mean, maybe Tony Pollard and like Egg Bucca. Maybe that would work. That's the closest. I mean, I mean, if you're getting because, again, he probably isn't holding Caleb that tightly because he has Trevor Lawrence. So I'm sure that he would be willing to maybe take like 75 cents on the dollar. That being said, you can't give him trash. You have to give him something. So Egg Bucca would be a piece to move because there isn't always an optimistic case with Egg Bucca. Well, if he gets healthy, Baker gets healthy. Easy schedule. okay, I could see him being somewhat intriguing to a manager that doesn't need another quarterback. And then you just throw up Stafford, because obviously you don't need Stafford anymore. So Stafford and Agbuka... Or it's going to be Agbuka and Pollard.
00:41:03
Speaker 1: I'd love that. Maybe the guy wants to dream on Hampton or something like that, too, if I could do like Stafford.
00:41:09
Speaker 2: I agree. I know. I mean, I think Hampton's even lower than Agbuka is.
00:41:14
Speaker 1: The wider supers are rough. I just don't see how you make anything happen. Like if you could do Shakir and Stafford for him, I would do that. I would do a Willie. I really do any of your wide receivers, but JSN, cause you don't have strong wide receivers.
00:41:27
Speaker 11: Maybe.
00:41:28
Speaker 2: Okay. His team is here. So I would say maybe the alternative is instead you trade. Actually, here's what you do. You trade chase Brown for my non guy and Caleb Williams.
00:41:42
Speaker 1: Okay.
00:41:42
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:41:43
Speaker 2: That'll get done. Yeah. So you need a running back back. You give him chase Brown. He'll be interested in that to, to deal you Caleb Williams. And then maybe you could maybe get like, digs or someone like thrown into or something like that marvin harrison jr thrown in but you can definitely get.
00:41:57
Speaker 1: Calm guy would you go rashad white or my guy.
00:41:59
Speaker 2: I'd rather i'd rather have my own guy okay i mean james brown does have a tough matchup this weekend's pittsburgh so.
00:42:04
Speaker 1: Yeah all right
there you go those are some options all right uh a couple more here a couple more here it's joe premium member discord what's up joe hey.
00:42:11
Speaker 3: What up guys uh first and foremost i just wanted to say that uh I really like listening into the waiver wire pickup that you guys do and also keep holding cut.
00:42:20
Speaker 2: You guys have been killing it with that.
00:42:21
Speaker 3: So just wanted to say that real quick. But my question is, In a 12-team full PPR league, I don't want to read off my whole team.
00:42:30
Speaker 2: I just put it in the chat.
00:42:31
Speaker 3: But eventually I have to drop somebody for Travis Etienne.
00:42:34
Speaker 1: Who's in my IR. And I really want.
00:42:37
Speaker 3: To hold on to Black and Johnson because I have K-9, but I really want to hold on to Black as well just in case anything happens to McCaffrey. So I don't know if one of the guys would be maybe like a Woody Marks that I drop or Mason or Jones Sr. And then I also just kind of want to get your guys' perspective. Cause I started out six and one and lost the last two weeks just cause the lack of RB production I'm getting at the RB two spot with having canine as a and then the RB2s I have are kind of mid, I guess you can say it. So I just want to see what your guys' thoughts are like with Travis coming back. Do I have myself a solidified RB2, or do you think I should explore trade options for a better RB2? And it's just kind of hard to package up guys like Mike Evans or Smith when they haven't been playing as well. So I just wanted to get your guys' perspective on that.
00:43:28
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Joe.
00:43:28
Speaker 4: That's cool.
00:43:29
Speaker 1: I was trying to think when he said, thank you for the kind words. Am I on any of those shows? Was he saying my waiver wire show? And what was the other one? Is that one you do?
00:43:36
Speaker 2: Keep trade cut. I'm also not on that show. Well, actually, no, I guess I do. I do. I do do a keep trade.
00:43:41
Speaker 1: I think you do that. Maybe like that.
00:43:43
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:43:45
Speaker 1: Keep hold cut with worm. And then were you talking about the waiver show I do with Fitzy and, and I want to say, because Joe's a real one. Joe's a real one. If he's calling out. Well, yeah.
00:43:54
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:43:55
Speaker 1: Joe's an absolute real one for just like both shows. Like get this man a subscription.
00:44:00
Speaker 2: Love that.
00:44:00
Speaker 1: All right. Real quick on the, the injury thing.
00:44:05
Speaker 2: Propsies. The what? Oh, the player to cut?
00:44:08
Speaker 1: Well, yeah. I don't think he has to right now. Devonta Smith is still out. Unless the out tag doesn't allow them to put on IR on Yahoo.
00:44:17
Speaker 2: Oh, what? Like he has Devonta. You should be able to. Mike Evans is going to. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry.
00:44:22
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to talk over you. But HN should go up right now for Devonta Smith because he's closer to being
active. And then Mike Evans probably also hits that. So I think you're kind of covered if you weren't covered. what's the move that you're making here?
00:44:37
Speaker 2: Aaron Jones. Okay.
00:44:38
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones. And then that leads to the bigger question of like, are you, or is Joe comfortable with HN as his number two running back? Because he'd have Ken Walker, HN, and then he's got Rashad White and then also Woody Marks. So he's got depth. So is HN enough of a true number two in your brain, or does he need to maybe take a look and try to, you know, piece a couple of these things together where he can, maybe he could take a Rashad wider, a Woody marks, and then he could take, you know, if he has a returning Mike Evans here in the near future, you know, or maybe he just takes Mike Evans, Mike Evans and a Chan or Mike Evans or Woody marks and trades up. Like, how do you feel about this RV two spot?
00:45:21
Speaker 2: I think that you'll be okay. You have enough guys to work with where you can get RB to production. You can play some matchups. HN has some decent spots coming up. Even this week, if he does come back, he's facing Carolina Panthers. That's a good matchup for him. Obviously, we estimate a lot if HN would be not playing. Aaron Jones, Jordan Mason, these Vikings running backs, if this offense takes off with Kirk Cousins, you can see them having productive outings. Rashad White, Woody Marks, those guys are fill-ins while the other starters are still kind of banged up. So I just don't think you're going to get a deal done where I'm going to trade my better RB two for two worse RB twos, right? You don't, I don't, I don't see why a manager would be look at like, look at Jones and HN and think I'll trade your breeze hall for those two guys. That doesn't make a lot of sense.
00:46:05
Speaker 1: I mean, unless they're so absolutely decimated with no other options, but.
00:46:09
Speaker 2: Even still, I guess. Yeah. So, and obviously you're not going to get an RB one with, with RB twos. So I think I, I think that you'll be okay with this. Cause you're not really in a position to move the receivers for a running back. I mean, let's go on trade Mike Evans and maybe that would work. Obviously Evans is banged up, but people are high on him when he does come back to the lineup. Just don't know when that will be similar to like the Puka thing where contender might like Mike Evans. as a long-term play in the playoffs where he can make some noise. Maybe you could package him with a running back like a Jordan Mason to upgrade RB to perhaps go after like a Charbonnet or a chase Brown. People are really, I mean, chase Brown is probably like in terms of RB two is like, he's your best bet of upgrading because just, overall consensus on him is pretty down. And he has underperformed this season based on his role, but it's not like he's done nothing this season, like an Omer in Hampton, obviously, who's been very underwhelming in terms of his actual
production.
00:47:05
Speaker 1: Okay. Let's see. We got a couple more here. Let's hit like a lightning round so we can get to these last three here. We got the J-Town coming down. What's up?
00:47:16
Speaker 2: Hey, how you guys doing? What up, dude?
00:47:18
Speaker 9: Good.
00:47:18
Speaker 1: How you doing? Question for you guys. How are you two... doing in your leagues that you were both in? Because I never hear anything about that. I'm just really curious.
00:47:27
Speaker 4: To see how both of you guys are doing.
00:47:29
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a cool question. I mean, there's kind of a like, who the hell cares about our leagues that we're doing?
00:47:34
Speaker 2: I'm shedding tears right now. Yeah, we never have.
00:47:36
Speaker 1: That's that.
00:47:37
Speaker 2: You go first. I feel everyone's been so generous as I got back onto this show because my computer kept.
00:47:42
Speaker 1: Do you feel seen? Erickson, you just made Erickson feel seen. That's really good of you. All right, let's be quick on it because it is lightning round. What are your important leagues?
00:47:52
Speaker 2: The only league I care about the most, I'm in first place. So I'm good. I'm feeling good.
00:47:57
Speaker 1: Was that your home league?
00:47:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, home league with a bunch of my college friends and all of his dad's friends. None of them, I think, know that I work. at fantasy pros.
00:48:08
Speaker 1: You're just like you're just some shyster that's sitting in there you're just like oh i've never played pool before sure guys let's play for 100 bucks and then you're just like.
00:48:15
Speaker 2: No but i love i just love this league because it's still very very competitive actually i am actually terrible in the other league i do care about as well with me and my buddy that draft our team together that's the league that i traded jonathan taylor for drake london when i was one and seven and now i'm one and eight because of karma so.
00:48:32
Speaker 1: I'll be quick i have like I'm playing. I don't know how many leagues I'm playing in, but I have like five of different importance. I have my home league. I have the tags league here at fantasy pros, the pentathlon flex. And then I have a couple of keepers. One of them in my dynasty, most important dynasty 16 team. It's called a three sport league.
00:48:51
Speaker 4: Trash.
00:48:51
Speaker 1: I'm a bad year. Chalk that one out. Flex league, Jake Seeley's industry league. I'm okay. I'm holding on. We do median scoring. So like I'm like eight and eight, nine and whatever I am right now. I'm like in fifth or sixth place. I just I can't catch a break. And this is kind of an important tags league I'd put with it. I'm doing really good. Erickson doesn't care about that league as much because I'm above him.
00:49:15
Speaker 2: Well, I should say I'm four and five in that one. So I'm kind of.
00:49:18
Speaker 1: Middle of the pack.
00:49:19
Speaker 2: You're right there.
00:49:19
Speaker 1: You, me, and Worm are the only content people that made... Tags is the championship. I want to win this league because we get a giant belt in front of the entire company in February. I desperately want to win this league and then have to figure out how to get a bigger belt to fit around my waist. I'm there. The two most important leagues... I'm murdering this year. The pentathlon, it's a five, it's Derek Van Ryper from The Athletic. It's five events. I've talked about this before. Superflex, best ball, picks, survivor, and DFS. Me and Boggs are overall in like, we share a team, we're in third place, but we won survivor. We're number one in the superflex league and we are like fifth in points in the best ball, but we suck at picks and everything. And then finally, my home league, I have literally never done this before. I'm nine and oh. It's Bogman.
00:50:10
Speaker 2: It's Bogman.
00:50:11
Speaker 1: A couple of other people in the industry we're friends with all of our stupid Homer friends that we went to high school with that still don't even realize we work in the industry as well. I'm nine and oh, and I'm absolutely murdering it. And I've never had like a nine and oh start. So I had Ken Walker and JS and I started with, so it has been a pretty banner year for me to be honest with you, but it's got a hold. What a cool question. everybody can wake back up from their snooze of caring about what we're doing, but that's, you know, that's.
00:50:34
Speaker 5: Where we're at.
00:50:35
Speaker 1: I want that belt from what I want is the, the big money from the pentathlon league desperately. Cause we've cast two straight years. I want that damn belt for fantasy pros. And I want to win the home league though. I want those things badly flex. I've never won. It would be cool, but it's a long shot. Joe Dolan's team is a monster. So those are all there. Are you still awake?
00:50:53
Speaker 2: Erickson?
00:50:53
Speaker 1: Do I still have you? I talked about my league.
00:50:55
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:50:55
Speaker 4: Yes.
00:50:55
Speaker 2: Yes. I was running through my playbook. The rundown on, All of the leagues. My wife's leagues are doing well, which is also very important to me.
00:51:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure. Well, you probably helped a little bit.
00:51:08
Speaker 2: No, I don't do anything. It's on autopilot every single week. And it does really well.
00:51:14
Speaker 1: Does she know who she has on her team? Or did you also autopilot the draft?
00:51:20
Speaker 2: No, we drafted the team together. That's what I meant.
00:51:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't care about the weekly stuff.
00:51:25
Speaker 2: And I get chewed out any time I make a wrong star set decision.
00:51:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, she came in the other day when we were doing a recording. I think she was complaining about Chase Brown or something like that. So just get it fixed.
00:51:35
Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Love her. Love her.
00:51:38
Speaker 1: Love her.
00:51:38
Speaker 2: She's great.
00:51:39
Speaker 1: All right, last couple here. Let's get rolling here. I wasted so much time there talking about all my.
00:51:43
Speaker 2: All good.
00:51:44
Speaker 1: What's up, Salt?
00:51:45
Speaker 9: Let me say, Erickson, very dangerous to manage someone else's teams and expectations like that.
00:51:50
Speaker 2: So I have two questions.
00:51:51
Speaker 9: First is for my Chopped League. I think it's time to drop Ladd McConkie and pick someone up off the waiver, but just want to make sure on that. And just looking at flexing either Pollard, DJ Moore, or I guess Jacoby Myers.
00:52:05
Speaker 2: Off the waiver. Okay, um.
00:52:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, DJ Moore, I think, would be the flex. And I have to say, well, was she saying that would you dump Ladd for DJ Moore? Because, yeah, absolutely.
00:52:16
Speaker 2: I would just put Ladd is like, I don't know who would have the stones to pick him up in a guillotine league.
00:52:23
Speaker 1: How many spots? You're probably at, by the way. the most embarrassing I had this year was the, I guess, what do they call it?
00:52:30
Speaker 2: Chopped.
00:52:30
Speaker 1: I know them as guillotine league. We did a fantasy pros one. I got chopped week one. So I'm like, well, these formats.
00:52:35
Speaker 2: Well, dude, at least, yeah, at least dude, but you'd rather get chopped week one and then play out the entire year and then just lose.
00:52:40
Speaker 1: I've had that. I got to like third place in one we did in a 16 team league at the end of the year. And it crushed me. I was just like, well, loser at the beginning. And then I tried to leave our big slack room and they wouldn't let me leave. And I was like, you, and I'm talking here at work. I'm like, You dirtbag. Stop bringing me back in here. I don't want to see all you guys. But yeah, there's no way that Ladd is justifiably still rosterable in like a top league at this point. Yeah, 100%. And DJ Moore would be the play for sure.
00:53:04
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:53:05
Speaker 1: Oh, did I kick you off too early, Salt? What was the other question?
00:53:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all good.
00:53:09
Speaker 9: So I feel like this is like the week that if you're going to make a move to make the move, my team is 8-1 in probably my most important league.
00:53:16
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering if I'm over-tinkering. I have K-9.
00:53:19
Speaker 9: I have Parker Washington. I have Christian Watson, Zay Flowers.
00:53:23
Speaker 2: JJ.
00:53:24
Speaker 9: So I'm trying to figure out if I should make a move for McBride or Bauer. I have Loveland and I'm like, should I stop touching it? And like, I'm eight and one, just ride it. These four wide receivers are really killing it for me. Or do I want like the elite tight end? Cause Loveland hasn't really hit that top three.
00:53:38
Speaker 2: It feels like there's a big gap.
00:53:40
Speaker 1: Super great question. All those pieces that you said, I don't want to be trading for a tight end. I especially don't want to do it on the week that both of those tight ends you want are getting rookie quarterbacks. And if it is a big, fat, embarrassing failure this week, those costs are going to come down next week.
00:53:55
Speaker 2: Do you disagree? Brock Bowers, again, we're going to be doing the trade show, spoiler, next week, you and me, Welsh, because Worm is not going to be on that show. I have a really, really strong feeling Brock Bowers is going to be my buy just for the playoff run with Mendoza and not to read too much into a potential brutal outing with the Seattle Seahawks. So I think you stick at 8-1, you go to 9-1 this week, And then maybe you make that final move, assuming that you have one more week of your trade deadline. Most trade deadlines are at least one more week away.
00:54:27
Speaker 1: But I also don't want to be moving Canine. All the players you said, to me, they can't be involved in that.
00:54:32
Speaker 2: Like the only deal I would think about was maybe a Parker Washington, Loveland move for one of those elite tight ends, which would be Bowers in my opinion. But yeah.
00:54:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe. All right, Jay Spark, what up?
00:54:45
Speaker 5: Hey, guys.
00:54:46
Speaker 4: So are you concerned at all with Ali Gordon's value with Willis being out? He's going to get the volume, but kind of looking to see what kind of value that looks like.
00:54:54
Speaker 1: Like, do you mean am I worried that he goes from a middle-ish RB2 to a low-end RB2 if you're trying to trade him?
00:55:00
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:55:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, trade four.
00:55:02
Speaker 4: Like, go after him, but he might not have a great value with Willis being out.
00:55:07
Speaker 1: Oh, actually, it's kind of like back to Salt's thing. I think maybe you waited out after this week when McCord can't. I mean, I guess that could overall be a concern for him long term, but I think he does a decent job of being able to do a little bit of everything out of the backfield that maybe his cost comes down even more. Or you could argue, Erickson, that people are worried enough right now that this is the time to buy him because the cost is already down.
00:55:31
Speaker 2: I feel like the cost for him has never been high. Right. I just feel like there's never been like, oh, you got to go get Ali Gordon. I know we talked about him as a buy in a lot of the shows just because we felt he was undervalued. He's probably just undervalued again, like he's going to get volume. Right. And that's all you can ask when it comes to these RB2 conversations. So if you want to train one of your Packers running or Vikings running backs for Ali Gordon, yeah, you might get Jordan Mason or Ali Gordon. Can you get that done? Vikings is kind of hyped up now. I mean, not at the value of, if people are jumping ship on Gordon because of Kyle McCord, the Vikings got Kirk cousins. Now, why wouldn't you not, why would you not want Jordan Mason instead of all the Gordon massive season? Because one of them plays
on the Vikings way better offense. I just, I just, I mean, it's not like the dolphins offense was a juggernaut anyway, even Malik Willis was the quarterback. If anything too, there's no, you're not worried about rushing quarterback touchdowns. That's not play anymore. So any red zone opportunities are probably going to go to Ollie Gordon. So, uh, Yeah, I think that he is a buy, and definitely worth kicking the tires on to see how that manager is feeling about him.
00:56:30
Speaker 1: Absolutely. All right, final one up here. It's Dub, Dub Collins. What's up, Dubs?
00:56:35
Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on, guys? Can you hear me?
00:56:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got you good.
00:56:37
Speaker 4: Yep.
00:56:38
Speaker 6: Awesome.
00:56:39
Speaker 12: So I got a start-sit question. I got Tucker Craft in my flex and Bernard in my wide receiver two slot. I didn't know if I should replace them with Douglas. I got Tank Dell or Matt Collins. Or if I should just keep it.
00:56:55
Speaker 2: Which Douglas?
00:56:56
Speaker 1: From Miami.
00:56:57
Speaker 2: Okay, not him. Caleb Douglas.
00:57:00
Speaker 1: So, running back, you have Tucker Craft and Jeremy Bernard both in flex?
00:57:05
Speaker 12: Jeremy Bernard's in my wide receiver, too, and then Tucker Craft's in my flex.
00:57:08
Speaker 1: Okay, and then the options were... Who was the first option again?
00:57:12
Speaker 2: Caleb Douglas, Mack Hollins, and the last one was... Tank Dell. Tank Dell.
00:57:18
Speaker 1: You hate... I got like.
00:57:20
Speaker 2: Whoops, I'm sorry, dude.
00:57:21
Speaker 1: I got ready. I hate who? I think he said... He is likely at tight end. You hate Kraft this week.
00:57:28
Speaker 2: I don't know why you would like Kraft. Yeah, no, I'm not.
00:57:30
Speaker 1: I'm not picking on you. I'm with you. Like, Kraft has been embarrassing. So, like, I would consider one of those whiteouts at this point over Kraft.
00:57:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it comes down to Collins or Dell. Yeah, so I would say, I mean, I think I'd probably go Tank-Dell.
00:57:49
Speaker 1: I would go. I think Tank is a cool yellow play, too. High upside.
00:57:53
Speaker 2: Where is it? Well, I was kind of curious. Where's Dell in the week ranking? Cause he obviously moved up a ton from last week. Cause he was buried. I'm kind of curious to see where he's in easy.
00:58:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can tell you.
00:58:04
Speaker 2: I have a, I have him right now. 37. Am I higher or lower?
00:58:09
Speaker 1: You know, do you know what that reference is?
00:58:12
Speaker 2: Is that Scooby-Doo?
00:58:13
Speaker 1: No, I said in a row. No, uh, 37 in a row. I can't repeat the joke, but it's, uh, Great movie, Clerks. You should watch Clerks.
00:58:26
Speaker 3: 36.
00:58:26
Speaker 1: So he's the last wide receiver three on the group. So tank down 36. I'm going to say tank.
00:58:32
Speaker 4: Oh, you've got to be.
00:58:33
Speaker 1: Higher than him.
00:58:34
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I mean, I didn't really know where I felt comfortable putting him because the routes weren't amazing last week, but the targets were obviously there, hyper-targeted, super productive, and Cleveland, good perimeter cornerbacks. He's probably not going to get a lot of Denzel Ward. That'll probably be Nico Collins. So... Yeah, I have Tank Dell ahead of both Douglas and Matt Collins, and I like him more than Kraft.
00:58:57
Speaker 1: Tank Dell ran 37 routes in a row. Yeah, Tank Dell would be the play. I think that's where I would go with it. And, friends, that is it. Man, we made it. What a rollercoaster of a show from the start in to Erickson. I mean, computers freezing out on him to you coming back and finishing strong. We did it, brother. That's what's so special about this show and all the nice compliments too. And we even bored people for three minutes about our league. So, you know, that's how it goes. That's how it goes.
00:59:25
Speaker 2: The fact that I was only on the show for half of it and we still got a chance to talk about our leagues as just telling how great the audience is.
00:59:33
Speaker 1: You guys have to hold that belt, right?
00:59:37
Speaker 2: The tags league tags, like the belt where, what about, what about worm? Oh yeah.
00:59:42
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I meant like one, you, me or worm, like one of the, but I think we're, I think we're, might be struggling in that league. I think it's up to you and I, I think we're the Obi-Wan Kenobi's of that. The only hope is you are, I could be wrong about.
00:59:55
Speaker 2: That, but like, Well, let's look at the standing.
00:59:58
Speaker 1: I don't know if any content people have held those belts before, but we have to, regardless if they have or not.
01:00:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in third. I'm in seventh. And where is.
01:00:09
Speaker 1: Can you find him?
01:00:11
Speaker 6: Where is.
01:00:12
Speaker 2: Oh, no, Ryan's nine. So he has the same record as me. So he's on a two-game win streak. He's hot.
01:00:18
Speaker 4: Ooh, hot.
01:00:19
Speaker 2: He's on a heater. All right.
01:00:21
Speaker 1: We get those customized belts to be thrown around a waist.
01:00:24
Speaker 2: Oh. Well, if we all get into the playoffs, then just takes one. Odds. Just takes a Joe Flacco type of run to hold up that belt.
01:00:32
Speaker 1: Just not Joe Flacco is particularly is what it's going to be.
01:00:35
Speaker 2: All right. There you go.
01:00:36
Speaker 1: That is the show. Thank you guys so much for hanging out with us. I hope you guys consider if you listen on the podcast, there's still time. This podcast is still going on through. I think the majority of like the fantasy playoffs and all that. So come and check us out. But also like even beyond, you want to be a part of all the action. Fantasybros.com slash chat. That's a discord. A bunch of people in here are like mainstays. There's really great people. There's a bunch of great rooms. There's a multitude. Even in the offseason, like when Erickson and I aren't doing this show on the regular, hey, maybe that'll change. There are the shows with like Boggs and there's the shows with Fitz and Worm, all the offseason dynasty stuff. So we've got AMAs that turn to podcasts. You have access to a bunch of our writers and their personal AMAs and all these great rooms. Be a part of the Discord. There's no reason not to. There's a premium site if you want. But if you just have a Fantasy Pros free account, you can hook it up and you can get access to stuff like that. So go to fantasypros.com slash chat. I also implore you to make sure you have the Fantasy Pros app. Why would you not? Start and send advice, waivers, autopilot. It's all there. Fantasypros.com slash apps. Fantasypros.com slash apps. Get it today. Thank you guys for hanging out with us. Thank you for all the questions. All you awesome people in the chat. Come back and hang with us next time for Andrew Erickson. Andrew Erickson Alive. I'm Welsh. We'll talk to you next time. Peace, friends. Thanks for listening to the Fantasy Pros Fantasy Football Podcast.
01:01:59
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